Steward requests/Global permissions
This is not a vote and any active Wikimedia editor may participate in the discussion.
Global rollback and global interface editor requests require no fewer than 5 days of discussion while abuse filter helper and maintainer requests require no fewer than 7 days. Global renamer and global sysop requests require no fewer than 2 weeks of discussion. For requests that are unlikely to pass under any circumstances, they may be closed by a steward without further discussion (after a reasonable amount of input).
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Global rollback for Zetud
- Global user: Zetud (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
- Not ending before 13 August 2019 20:54 UTC
Hello. I'm sysop on :fr (elected in 2008), already rollbacker on :en (elected in 2016) and on :es (elected in 2019), and OTRS member. My cross-wiki contributions are mainly to fight cross-wiki vandalism, including the ones on a well-known French vandal. Today, once more, I had to revert one by one his contribs on various wikis. I would save time and I would be more efficient with the global status. See for example my last contribs on :tr, on :nl, or on :it. Thanks. Zetud (talk) 20:54, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Support poster child for people who should be encouraged to apply for this. Thank you for your dedication to building local projects and communities. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:00, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Trusted user, valid rationale, and what Tony said. Thank you for your contributions, Vermont (talk) 21:11, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Sysop on multiple sites, rollbacker on others, clearly can be trusted. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 21:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)please, we don't need poster boys for GR, this will just encourage people to even more hat collect. Thanks for your xwiki contributions.--Cohaf (talk) 07:36, 9 August 2019 (UTC){{s}}Fair use case, nothing else more to say but{{o}}.
Neutral Doesnt have a demonstrated need and activity in wikis without rollback isn't sufficient. Per BRPever. --Cohaf (talk) 09:40, 9 August 2019 (UTC) After considering further after reading Vermont further comments, I think neutral as per my own comments, little demonstrated need, but won't hurt. If passed, please don't apart of obvious LTA label [1][2][3] as vandalism in any other wikis. I am always of the point that yes, DENY is important, but I am not keen to revert changes made by any user if they don't make any difference to the viewer perspective, and not as vandalism of course. The only exception is that they use things like <!--vandalism added--><ref name="vandalism"|vandalismin infobox, those you of course can and should revert. I will add that I am very afraid some new users are just trying out their stint at editing and labelling as vandalism just scare them off and they don't come back anymore. I will also note that on nlwiki, there is local rollback that you can apply. With all these, I think I will stay neutral.--Cohaf (talk) 16:17, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose. I don't see sufficient recent activity.--BRP ever 08:57, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- Hi. I do agree my contribs are not all recent. But even if not recent on some wikis, my recurrent cross-wiki activity is to fight a kind of vandalism that is far easier to fight with this global status. See on :fi, on :pt, on :ro , on :sv... Reverting one by one as I did yesterday, it's VERY time-consuming. Zetud (talk) 10:17, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- Those reverts aren't very recent. As GR page says "users must be demonstrably active in cross-wiki countervandalism or anti-spam activities (for example, as active members of the Small Wiki Monitoring Team) and make heavy use of revert on many wikis." As Tulsi says please use Global Twinkle.--BRP ever 11:11, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- You're active on w:trwiki (8 August, earlier 24 December 2018), w:itwiki (8 August, earlier 24 February), w:frwiki (sysop), frwikiversity and mediawiki (2 August, earlier 4 May 2018) earlier wikidata (last months only three edits) and w:eswiki (31 July, earlier 19 March). As you mentioned that was on March 2019. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 14:02, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- Those reverts aren't very recent. As GR page says "users must be demonstrably active in cross-wiki countervandalism or anti-spam activities (for example, as active members of the Small Wiki Monitoring Team) and make heavy use of revert on many wikis." As Tulsi says please use Global Twinkle.--BRP ever 11:11, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- Hi. I do agree my contribs are not all recent. But even if not recent on some wikis, my recurrent cross-wiki activity is to fight a kind of vandalism that is far easier to fight with this global status. See on :fi, on :pt, on :ro , on :sv... Reverting one by one as I did yesterday, it's VERY time-consuming. Zetud (talk) 10:17, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- @BRPever: I'd urge you to reconsider your oppose. This is the perfect example of when I complain about the culture of the SWMT and how it is a clique that seeks to prevent people from helping Wikimedia projects. Global tools are not a privilege only to be shared among friends, and comments like yours here are harmful to people actually getting involved in helping projects that people read and edit on. We have a user who has a valid need and works across multiple projects. That you don't like the projects he works on or the time frame is not a good reason to try to stop him from helping. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:40, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- @TonyBallioni: You misunderstood my comment. I am simply opposing because I see the lack of recent activity on many wikis which I think has always been the requirement of this right. I never said I am opposing because they are not on SWMT or they are not editing small wikis. The word "SWMT" happened to be on the same line which said user must "make heavy use of revert on many wikis" on GR page which probably made you think like that. I see recent activity on very few wikis and don't see a valid need for this global tool at this point. Neither I said I don't like the projects they work on nor am I trying to stop anyone from helping, I am just making comments as I see things.--BRP ever 23:37, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think I misunderstood it. I just think you're wrong. My point was that editors, such as yourself, who are heavily active on SWMT are hostile to anyone who isn't well known in those circles doing anything with global rights. This is done in good faith, but it is still harmful to Wikimedia projects because the hostility makes it so that the only people who can help are those who feel like putting up with being told they aren't wanted, and continue to help anyway. That's a very small subset of the human population who have that dedication. We need to address these issues as they arise: there is a cliquish mentality to handing out global rights, which is not good. This isn't questioning your individual motivation: I know it is pure. It is saying we have a cultural problem here of chasing off people who want to help, and that your comment is a good example of that cultural problem. The only way to fix cultural problems is to point them out when they occur, which is why you had the bad luck to be the victim of my criticism this time :) TonyBallioni (talk) 23:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- I checked their contributions on several wikis they are recently active on, they have reverted in only about 4 wikis in past 4 months and I don't think this activity justifies the need we are talking about. I think we define the "Need" differently. It's just that I believe the action speaks louder than words and I don't see enough action here. I was just trying avoid the hostility that you are talking about here, I am sorry for this comment as I think I just did that with this one. Thank you--BRP ever 02:19, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- You have no reason to apologize for good faith disagreement. We each have an obligation to argue our views clearly, and I don’t fault you for it. My point is that anyone who has edited 4 projects in 4 months is active cross-wiki by any reasonable standard. They are a sysop on multiple projects and have trust and clearly are not going to abuse this. Your vote caused a flood of other opposes until it was challenged, which is why I replied here: there is a culture of telling people You are trusted and active but we don’t want you. which in my view is something we need to move away from as quickly as possible. Anyway, I’ve spoken too much here so won’t monopolize the rest of the discussion so this will be my last reply, but did want to explain clearly what my concerns are. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:30, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- I think I understand your concerns but what I am trying to say here is they are trusted but not active enough.-BRP ever 04:57, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- You have no reason to apologize for good faith disagreement. We each have an obligation to argue our views clearly, and I don’t fault you for it. My point is that anyone who has edited 4 projects in 4 months is active cross-wiki by any reasonable standard. They are a sysop on multiple projects and have trust and clearly are not going to abuse this. Your vote caused a flood of other opposes until it was challenged, which is why I replied here: there is a culture of telling people You are trusted and active but we don’t want you. which in my view is something we need to move away from as quickly as possible. Anyway, I’ve spoken too much here so won’t monopolize the rest of the discussion so this will be my last reply, but did want to explain clearly what my concerns are. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:30, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- I checked their contributions on several wikis they are recently active on, they have reverted in only about 4 wikis in past 4 months and I don't think this activity justifies the need we are talking about. I think we define the "Need" differently. It's just that I believe the action speaks louder than words and I don't see enough action here. I was just trying avoid the hostility that you are talking about here, I am sorry for this comment as I think I just did that with this one. Thank you--BRP ever 02:19, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think I misunderstood it. I just think you're wrong. My point was that editors, such as yourself, who are heavily active on SWMT are hostile to anyone who isn't well known in those circles doing anything with global rights. This is done in good faith, but it is still harmful to Wikimedia projects because the hostility makes it so that the only people who can help are those who feel like putting up with being told they aren't wanted, and continue to help anyway. That's a very small subset of the human population who have that dedication. We need to address these issues as they arise: there is a cliquish mentality to handing out global rights, which is not good. This isn't questioning your individual motivation: I know it is pure. It is saying we have a cultural problem here of chasing off people who want to help, and that your comment is a good example of that cultural problem. The only way to fix cultural problems is to point them out when they occur, which is why you had the bad luck to be the victim of my criticism this time :) TonyBallioni (talk) 23:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- @TonyBallioni: You misunderstood my comment. I am simply opposing because I see the lack of recent activity on many wikis which I think has always been the requirement of this right. I never said I am opposing because they are not on SWMT or they are not editing small wikis. The word "SWMT" happened to be on the same line which said user must "make heavy use of revert on many wikis" on GR page which probably made you think like that. I see recent activity on very few wikis and don't see a valid need for this global tool at this point. Neither I said I don't like the projects they work on nor am I trying to stop anyone from helping, I am just making comments as I see things.--BRP ever 23:37, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose -- currently no crosswiki activity. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 09:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)No doubt, you're a trusted user, and you can handle this GR tool; But i don't see heavy use of revert(undo) on many wikis in your global contributions. Really sorry, Oppose for now. For making your job easier, please use Global Twinkle. Let me know, if i can help you in installing. Kind regards, — Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk) 11:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)Weak support - Any help is good help. GR is not a big deal, but please try to thrive your activity. Good luck! Kind regards, — Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk) 17:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)- (sort of an expansion on my support above) I will note that a user does not need to be active in SWMT to gain global rollback. It's a right given to trusted editors to assist in managing xwiki vandalism, and this user most definitely meets that requirement. Please see their contributions on nlwiki, itwiki, and svwiki as examples of their cross-wiki antivandalism work. They're asking for this right to more aptly respond to xwiki vandalism, specifically a prolific xwiki vandal whose vandalism would be better managed were Zetud able to rollback them on whatever project they descended on. Considering their position as an administrator on a large wiki and trusted on a few others, I see no issue in granting this right. Best regards, Vermont (talk) 15:57, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Per Vermont. — FR (mobileUndo) 16:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Support - somewhat active across multiple wikis, and can be trusted with this access. We turn GR into too big of a deal, and should open it up to anyone that would benefit IMO. – Ajraddatz (talk) 18:07, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Support --Novak Watchmen (talk) 20:16, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Support –Ammarpad (talk) 20:23, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Support. Pretty reasonable use-case IMO. Hiàn (talk)/editing on mobile account. 00:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support -FASTILY 04:03, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support ‐‐1997kB (talk) 13:57, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support--WikiBayer 👤💬 14:38, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Jianhui67 talk★contribs 16:18, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Global rollback for Catherine Laurence
- Global user: Catherine Laurence (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
- Not ending before 14 August 2019 15:30 UTC
I have been active since joining SWMT in February. Now I have to face many destructive editors every day. However, since there is no rollback permission, I can only use undo to restore the page. This gave me great trouble. So I am applying for a global rollbacker here to facilitate my further xwiki action. Sincerely. Catherine Laurence 15:30, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Weak support This will be a full support if the candidate have 2 weeks more of xwiki reverts, however, their reverts had been okay, they are trusted in several projects and have local rollback rights for meta, data, as well as commons. Crossactivity is good, although some is due to their file renaming I still find sufficient reverts. I am confident they have a clue and isn't a jerk. --Cohaf (talk) 15:49, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Support not a big deal. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:51, 9 August 2019 (UTC)- Support - Any help is good help. I've seen
hisher efforts a bit to make vandals just a history. Good start. Keep it up. Best wishes! Kind regards, — Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk) 17:17, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- As a friendly note, this editor is female. Best regards, Vermont (talk) 21:20, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oops, Vermont. Thanks for the note. I hope Catherine you will forgive my silly mistake. Kind regards, — Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk) 03:42, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- As a friendly note, this editor is female. Best regards, Vermont (talk) 21:20, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Support --Novak Watchmen (talk) 20:17, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Support –Ammarpad (talk) 20:24, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Support--Turkmen talk 20:52, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Sufficient experience and trustworthy. Thank you for volunteering, Vermont (talk) 21:20, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Support. Don't have any huge concerns at the moment. Hiàn (talk)/editing on mobile account. 00:01, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Does a good xwiki work. Esteban16 (talk) 00:28, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support -FASTILY 04:03, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support --Definitely, nice work till now, they should be able to do their work easily and for that they should have access to GR tool. thanks QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 09:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Sufficient cross-wiki activity and generally good reverts. Will put the tool into good use. --94rain Talk 11:09, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support ‐‐1997kB (talk) 13:57, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support__WikiBayer 👤💬 14:36, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Jianhui67 talk★contribs 16:18, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Support hase rollback on 4 sites, active cross-wiki, can be trusted --DannyS712 (talk) 04:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Support I don't see many rollbacks, but I see some good. Rollbacker in 3 projects, has experience with tool. Vote of confidence. Is a good start, thanks for your services. Rafael (stanglavine) msg 17:40, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Global rollback for Martin Urbanec
- Global user: Martin Urbanec (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
- Not ending before 17 August 2019 16:54 UTC
Hello, I would like to request global rollback permission. I'm (semi)active in cross vandalism area, and I think being a GR will help me with my work. Sometimes, I press undo, and then I notice there's an edit before the edit I undoed, so I have to make another edit, see [4]. I'm currently an admin, bureaucrat and a checkuser on cs.wikipedia, and I also served there as an arbitrator. I also serve as an admin on mediawiki.org, where I requested those permissions for anti-vandalism efforts. Thanks for considering my request, --Martin Urbanec (talk) 16:54, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Strong support smart enough not to break things and will be an asset. Praxidicae (talk) 16:56, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Strong support Of course. Trustworthy, knowledgeable, and highly experienced. Thank you for volunteering, Vermont (talk) 16:58, 12 August 2019 (UTC)- Yeah! sure. Agreed with above comments. Kind regards, — Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk) 17:57, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Strong support can be trusted, clear use case --DannyS712 (talk) 19:01, 12 August 2019 (UTC)- Support. Capable user, knows what he's doing. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:05, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Strong support obviously, user has server access, GR is relatively trivial Krenair (talk • contribs) 20:44, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Support. Hiàn (talk)/editing on mobile account. 00:20, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Support ‐‐1997kB (talk) 04:48, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Support --Novak Watchmen (talk) 04:49, 13 August 2019 (UTC)- Support. Stryn (talk) 07:02, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Support --WikiBayer 👤💬 07:27, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Support. Alright, The last time I seen through their contributions for global rename those are good enough for GR. --Cohaf (talk) 03:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Support sure. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:26, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Requests for global sysop permissions
Global sysop for WikiBayer
- Global user: WikiBayer (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
- Not ending before 16 August 2019 17:56 UTC
Stalktoy
I am very active in Small wiki Monitoring Team and in spam fighting. I want with the right especially spam and vandalism in projects without admins such in chrwiktionary or krcwiki or other delete, but also occasionally take over a few maintenance tasks.
I have read and understood the guidelines
The Global SysOP right would greatly help me and the project in my work at SWMT. --WikiBayer 👤💬 17:56, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Sure, why not. Active in crosswiki work as evidenced by the stalktoy report as well as when I am patrolling wikis, I tend to meet them. I also notice their many SRG and SRM reports and they are fairly good and accurate in nature. Sysop on barwiki makes me know they will handle the tools responsibly. Thanks for volunteering. --Cohaf (talk) 18:25, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Strong support --Turkmen talk 18:52, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Support --Novak Watchmen (talk) 05:04, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Support — FR (mobileUndo) 16:49, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Support --Irwin talk2me 17:01, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose does not have sysop on a large project, so we don’t know how they’ll use the tools. I’m fairly strongly opposed to granting global sysop to SWMT members who appear disconnected from individual content wikis and who have no earned the trust of a large local community or on multiple projects within one language group. The purpose of global tools is to assist content projects, and part of assisting content projects is knowing how they operate and what the editors in various communities expect. While there are ways to do that beyond getting +sysop on a large project or on a few small to mid-sized projects, I don’t see that here. I’m sorry, but I can’t support this. I’d be happy to support a future bid at some point, however. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:58, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
- Tony many GS have SysOP only in a Small Wiki See (Huji, Holder und other GS)--WikiBayer 👤💬 12:16, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- Well, Huji is a CU and Holder is a crat and IAdmin on multiple projects who has over 200,000 edits on one of those projects. Both of which suggest that they understand what the point of Wikimedia Foundations wikis is, which is my concern here. I don't see any indication you have any strong connection to a content project or understand the issues that come with developing a community surrounding an educational mission. I have extremely low standards for global sysop because it honestly can't do much harm, but I do expect the people applying for it to have an understanding what the purpose of cross-wiki anti-vandal work is. I don't think you do, and honestly, your response to me here further indicates that to me. I'm sorry, but I'm staying in oppose for now. TonyBallioni (talk) 12:54, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- Tony many GS have SysOP only in a Small Wiki See (Huji, Holder und other GS)--WikiBayer 👤💬 12:16, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Neutral In April 2018 he tried to become administrator on de-wikipedia 7 support - 36 oppose (As user:Futurwiki, bevore rename als Wikibayer). One month later there was an de-arbcom election: 13 support - 106 oppose --88.150.3.116 20:14, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Support —AlvaroMolina (✉ - ✔) 20:55, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Support. Trusted user with a good crosswiki track record. The fact that they are not a sysop on a major project doesn't concern me a whole lot. Hiàn (talk)/editing on mobile account. 02:57, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Catherine Laurence 13:18, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Doing good work. Hope they will carefully use the tool. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 03:02, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Support After much consideration, I have decided to support as WikiBayer has been doing good anti-vandalism work across many wikis. He has been very active in reverting vandalism. Hence, I believe that he will put the tools to good use. Thanks for volunteering! Jianhui67 talk★contribs 06:33, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Strong oppose The only wiki where he is sysop, he totals just over 2,000 editions. Becoming GS while he could not be sysop on his local wiki makes me fear a misuse of this right. He can ask for 2FA in the meantime. Then I took a closer look at this user: he asked for the right to revoke on WD, but only used it very occasionally since February 2019. When he asked for this right, he did it as Futurwiki in Oct 2018. The Futurwiki account has become definitively WikiBayer in December 2018. If he becomes GS to end up not using this right, why give it to him! The WikiBayer account has been around since 2015. But it started to get involved globally only 22 months ago. On Barwiki and Meta, he has only been involved for 9 months. So Futurwiki had to be used more often. Why this change? The lack of transparency is not a good sign for me. In any case, he does not have enough maturity to be GS and the number of his modifications that have been removed is largely too high (all wikis combined). If its decisions as GS have to be challenged, it does not bode well and a 9-month experience as a local sysop is not enough.
- Moreover, when he was Futurwiki, every request for right on his local wiki was rejected by an overwhelming majority. This is proof that he can not be GS. Finally, the way it is addressed to other contributors is not very friendly, it is not what is expected of a global sysop. —Eihel (talk) 10:45, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Eihel: I have used all the rights that I have requested so far and never misused a right
- About WikiData: I've was active in Wikidata for a few months and have used rollback many times. Since February I am not active in Wikidata so often in favor of the small projects, therefore I also use the rollback right in Wikidata rarely. :"He can ask for 2FA in the meantime:" I already use 2FA.
- "In any case, he does not have enough maturity to be GS and the number of his modifications that have been removed is largely too high (all wikis combined)" This is because I put a lot of deletion requests and are displayed as deleted after removal of the pages as contributions.
- "The WikiBayer account has been around since 2015. But it started to get involved globally only 22 months ago. On Barwiki and Meta, he has only been involved for 9 months. So Futurwiki had to be used more often. Why this change? " I first started in deWiki and started later in barWiki, because I come from Bavaria and also speak a Bavarian dialect. My new name (WikiBayer) also comes from my homeland. (Bayer is the German word before Bavarian) --WikiBayer 👤💬11:39, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- You used some rights and then stopped. It is certain that you can not misuse rights that you do not use, QED. If you are GS and no longer using this right or using it on your main wiki, your request remains worrying. I'm talking about all editions, including page creations. On dewiki, your local wiki, 47% of your page creations have been removed. It's enormous. Someone who doesn't know what can fit on his local wiki is unlikely to understand what may be appropriate on another wiki, whose language is unfamiliar to him. You explain to me the meaning of your nickname, you will not tell me that you changed the nickname for the simple fact that Futurwiki was not very "bayerisch". Nevertheless, 9 months as a sysop on a single small wiki is not convincing. —Eihel (talk) 14:08, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- Now I understand you correctly you mean the created pages and not the deleted edits. The deleted pages in dewiki are IP discussion pages that will be deleted after a certain amount of time. Or redirects that were created automatically after moving. Just because I'm not active in wikidata that much anymore does not mean that I stop using some rights.
- You used some rights and then stopped. It is certain that you can not misuse rights that you do not use, QED. If you are GS and no longer using this right or using it on your main wiki, your request remains worrying. I'm talking about all editions, including page creations. On dewiki, your local wiki, 47% of your page creations have been removed. It's enormous. Someone who doesn't know what can fit on his local wiki is unlikely to understand what may be appropriate on another wiki, whose language is unfamiliar to him. You explain to me the meaning of your nickname, you will not tell me that you changed the nickname for the simple fact that Futurwiki was not very "bayerisch". Nevertheless, 9 months as a sysop on a single small wiki is not convincing. —Eihel (talk) 14:08, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
--WikiBayer 👤💬 15:09, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Support--UltimoGrimm (talk) 11:50, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Support One of the most active (it's only via SWV) members of SWMT. The “technical” global sysop rights has absolutely nothing to do with a “social” full sysop rights in major wikis. Do not need to create a curved hierarchical ladder. The above-mentioned local votes failed for reasons of "too early", "too few edits" and "too low language proficiency". Nothing terrible that would allow to doubt good faith or abilities of user. Sorry for my English.—Iluvatar (talk) 12:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- Well, yes, you get at the issue, which is the social part of the problem, which is the biggest concern with any request for rights. As I've said before, global sysop really can't do much technically, and the social damage is limited because the communities tend to not be active. That being said someone does need to have some understanding of the social necessities of running an online community, which being a part of the SWMT without local understandings does not do. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:02, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- Number of edits in home wiki. Number of warnings on his talk page. Read his conversations (via translate.google). Number of blocks. His involvement in the Wikimedia Movement in generally. The process of obtaining sysop rights is too different in wikis, and is too different goals to obtain global and local rights. Yes, we need to evaluate the candidate’s minimal social skills, his sanity, but owning a local sysop right is a very bad criterion. Moreover, in some wikis there is no working procedure for removing rights for violations.—Iluvatar (talk) 13:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- Sure, which is why it is not the only way a user can earn my trust, though it is the easiest. I unfortunately am still very concerned that they don't have an understanding of what it takes to be part of an active online educational community, which means I can't trust them with this right. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:31, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- Or maybe we have different views about GS. I believe that GS should not be an analogue of local sysop (not like in that request). GS should not block experienced conflicted users, should not try to reconcile users, should not act as an mediator or make decisions by take summarize of discussions. In my opinion, this is only a technical flag for more effective counteraction to obvious vandalism and realization technical obvious requests by local community. The rest must be decided by local sysops or stewards.—Iluvatar (talk) 13:49, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- Number of edits in home wiki. Number of warnings on his talk page. Read his conversations (via translate.google). Number of blocks. His involvement in the Wikimedia Movement in generally. The process of obtaining sysop rights is too different in wikis, and is too different goals to obtain global and local rights. Yes, we need to evaluate the candidate’s minimal social skills, his sanity, but owning a local sysop right is a very bad criterion. Moreover, in some wikis there is no working procedure for removing rights for violations.—Iluvatar (talk) 13:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- Well, yes, you get at the issue, which is the social part of the problem, which is the biggest concern with any request for rights. As I've said before, global sysop really can't do much technically, and the social damage is limited because the communities tend to not be active. That being said someone does need to have some understanding of the social necessities of running an online community, which being a part of the SWMT without local understandings does not do. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:02, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Support
Weak support. Adminship on large wikis is largely irrelevant to GS because GS only affects small wikis. GS will only enhance WikiBayer's good work with GR. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 14:26, 5 August 2019 (UTC) Weakened due to the candidate's difficulty with distinguishing a lock from a block elsewhere on this page. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 13:10, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Support WikiBayer does an insane amount of SWMT work, and could definitely use these permissions. The global sysop group exists to do counter-spam/vandalism and maintenance, so I am not concerned with the lack of a sysop flag elsewhere. I wasn't a local sysop at time of appointment either, nor was Hoo man or PiR^2 (off the top of my head), and we all turned out fine. I have reviewed some of WikiBayer's work, and it all looks good. Best of luck, and thanks for volunteering. – Ajraddatz (talk) 16:00, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Agree with Ajraddatz. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 16:05, 5 August 2019 (UTC)- More than support - Their dedication and/or contributions should be awarded with tools. No concerns here. Kind regards, — Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk) 17:00, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Enough experience with cross-wiki work - the essence of this permission. –Ammarpad (talk)
Support. I do share Tony's concerns regarding the understanding of the WMF goal. I am against of thinking of Wikimedia only as a countervandalism network. But I do not consider this is the case, and don't think being a sysop on a large project is a requirement, but is useful. I wasn't sysop on any project when I became GS, and yet I was trusted the flag and have been used it wisely. WikiBayer does a good xwiki work and is qualified for this. Esteban16 (talk) 00:35, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Support -- Looks like a competent addition to the admin corp to me. -- Dolotta (talk) 02:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Support -FASTILY 06:11, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Per Jeff G and Ajraddatz. --Holder (talk) 09:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Support GS is just a technical rights, don't envolve social questions (conflicts, and others). Because of this, sysop experience in a large project is not a requiriment. WikiBayer have a good cross-wiki activity. I don't see reasonable motives to not promote. Good look! Rafael (stanglavine) msg 14:11, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Very active SWMT member.--NMW03 (talk) 14:04, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Support active cross-wiki, can be trusted --DannyS712 (talk) 05:12, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Just remember to use the tools with caution and keep up the good work! --94rain Talk 08:16, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Support --Der-Wir-Ing (talk) 17:08, 12 August 2019 (UTC)- Their reverts in dewiki often lack the necessary care; reverts and reports sometimes too hastily. -- hgzh 08:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- German: wenn ein Beitrag gegen die Regeln verstößt ist dieser Rückgängig zumachen. "reports sometimes too hastily"??? Wenn ich zu hastig bin warum sperren die Administratoren die Benutzer die ich melde immer?
- If someone posts are not the rule then the undo must be made. If someone vandalised is it to report, so that no damage occurs. "reports sometimes too hastily" ??? If I'm too hasty to post report why block the admins the report IPs / users always? --WikiBayer 👤💬 11:43, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- Unnecessary total rollbacks past 24h: [5] [6] [7]. Not every edit, especially by new users, is completely correct from the perspective of an experienced user. This does not justify a full rollback, which should be only used for clear vandalism. If someone's posts are not perfect but no vandalism, give them the chance to ameliorate it. -- hgzh 13:04, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- If someone posts are not the rule then the undo must be made. If someone vandalised is it to report, so that no damage occurs. "reports sometimes too hastily" ??? If I'm too hasty to post report why block the admins the report IPs / users always? --WikiBayer 👤💬 11:43, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
- German: wenn ein Beitrag gegen die Regeln verstößt ist dieser Rückgängig zumachen. "reports sometimes too hastily"??? Wenn ich zu hastig bin warum sperren die Administratoren die Benutzer die ich melde immer?
- Such resets are not unnecessary and are not performed without reason by many users. The user page had completely violated the rules and therefore have i undo the User page with reference to the rules in the summary (See at the summery "Bitte Regeln für Benutzerseiten beachten"). The rule in summery was linked. In the Other Reset I have addressed the affected user on his discussion page. ---WikiBayer 👤💬 13:35, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Support More mops are always better. Znotch190711 (talk) 13:38, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Requests for global IP block exemption
Global IP block exempt for CptViraj
- Global user: CptViraj (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
Hii, due to my personal and technical reasons i'm using open proxies and tor, I've been autoblocked many times. I want temporary (until my problems get resolved) IP block exemption. Note - I'm using proxy for almost 1 month and i know that it's against Wikimedia policy, But i'm trying to contribute legitimately. Also i haven't used any alternative accounts, and even i haven't edited without login (only 1 edit) . Thanks! -- CptViraj (📧) 05:11, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- @CptViraj: Hi, this is the place for asking global rights indefinitely. You may want to request for this right on Steward_requests/Global_permissions/Approved_temporary. Masum Reza☎ 15:30, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Masumrezarock100, that's incorrect. CptViraj, please ignore the above comment. This is the correct place to request this right. Best regards, Vermont (talk) 15:31, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Vermont: Sorry. I saw this. So. Masum Reza☎ 16:15, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, please see the notice on the top of that page. The page holds approved requests for temporary global permissions until they expire; it is not where one requests global rights. That is always done here. Vermont (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Vermont: Sorry. I saw this. So. Masum Reza☎ 16:15, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Masumrezarock100, that's incorrect. CptViraj, please ignore the above comment. This is the correct place to request this right. Best regards, Vermont (talk) 15:31, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- @CptViraj: For how long do you need GIPBE? Ruslik (talk) 15:58, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- For 6 months. -- CptViraj (📧) 16:09, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Global IP block exempt for 我爱大日如来
- Global user: 我爱大日如来 (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
This is my other account, because I have to use VPN in mainland China. thanks, --Thyj (talk) 04:23, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Global IP block exempt for Aoke1989
- Global user: Aoke1989 (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
Hello, I often edit on English Wikiquote (have created at least 20 pages) and Chinese Wikiquote, sometimes I also edit on En、Ja Wikipedia and other wiki. So if I have a global permissions(I live in China), I don't need to apply one by one, thanks. --Aoke1989 (talk) 06:12, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Requests for global rename permissions
Steward requests/Global permissions/Global renamers
Global rename for Vit Koz
- Wiki: meta.wikimedia.org (list 'crats • bot policy • summary • 'crats rights)
- User: Vit Koz (talk • edits • logs • UserRights • activity • CentralAuth • email • verify 2FA)
- Not ending before 17 August 2019 21:05 UTC
Hi! In 2019 I had my first experience to join the stewards team. I suppose it was too early. Actually, in the process of working on Wikipedia I had a need for rename global accounts. For today I am the editor of the belarusian Wikipedia, autoeditor of the russian Wikipedia and sysop of the belarusian Wikiquote and belarusian Wikibooks. Vit; talk 21:05, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose I'm very sorry, I am normally super supportive of local users getting rights to help with their language group, but there are two things missing here: one, you aren't a sysop or any position requiring some community trust on the main language project, so we have nothing to know if your local communities support you. I don't really consider temporary sysop roles in fulfilling this because that normally indicates that there is an extremely small local community.The second concern I have is that I'm not sure you'd be able to effectively communicate with other renamers. You didn't format this request correctly, and your request itself isn't clear. This makes me concerned that any issues raised with you about rename procedures might not be addressed, which could have a negative impact on projects outside your home project. I'm really sorry, because like I said, I would love to have a Belarusian renamer, but I'm not sure if you're the best person suited to be it. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
- @TonyBallioni: As always, I have questions at SRGP/Global Rename, pardon me. You said that he don't have position indicative of community trust, isn't autoreviewer and editor in some sense means they are trustworthy in the main language project? Regards,--Cohaf (talk) 12:52, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, Cohaf. Not really. Autoreviewer is handed out pretty freely on most projects, and editor doesn’t show trust by the community as a whole. IMO, renamer is more sensitive than even global sysop because it is the only global permission where use on large projects with active communities and policies around usernames and renaming exist is anticipated. I don’t think sysop is a requirement, but being able to demonstrate trust and support from a stable community as a whole is, which I do not see here. TonyBallioni (talk) 12:59, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
- @TonyBallioni: Noted with thanks. --Cohaf (talk) 13:05, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, Cohaf. Not really. Autoreviewer is handed out pretty freely on most projects, and editor doesn’t show trust by the community as a whole. IMO, renamer is more sensitive than even global sysop because it is the only global permission where use on large projects with active communities and policies around usernames and renaming exist is anticipated. I don’t think sysop is a requirement, but being able to demonstrate trust and support from a stable community as a whole is, which I do not see here. TonyBallioni (talk) 12:59, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
- @TonyBallioni: As always, I have questions at SRGP/Global Rename, pardon me. You said that he don't have position indicative of community trust, isn't autoreviewer and editor in some sense means they are trustworthy in the main language project? Regards,--Cohaf (talk) 12:52, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Weak support Moral support as I note their enthusiasm to serve Wikimedia as a whole. I commented on their SE that Global Rename is all they need and hence, I am glad to see this application. Language skills will be a plus. If passed, I hope you will use the tools very carefully and consult experienced renamers if in any, even finest doubts, if not elected, I hope you won't be disheartened and continue the good work. --Cohaf (talk) 13:05, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Support --Novak Watchmen (talk) 14:53, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose Sorry, but I also see trust and communication concerns here which is essential due to the nature of permission. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 03:06, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose(discussion)--WikiBayer 👤💬 17:30, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Support --Patriccck (talk) 15:11, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose. Haven't had time to look into this in depth, but Tony sums up my thoughts so far. Hiàn (talk)/editing on mobile account. 09:49, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose per TonyBallioni. Concerns with communication and no obvious need for the tool -FASTILY 04:05, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Requests for 2 Factor Auth tester permissions
2FA Tester for FNDE
- Global user: FNDE (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
I would like to test the 2FA feature, I've read the instructions carefully. --FNDE (talk) 20:19, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
2FA Tester for Bcat
- Global user: Bcat (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
I am setting up 2FA for as many of my accounts as possible due to recent password compromises. I haven't edited in some time, but want to ensure my account doesn't get hijacked in the future. --Bcat (talk | email) 03:43, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Requests for other global permissions
Renew global interface editors for Isarra
- Global user: Isarra (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
I don't use this much, but it's very useful in particular when I need to debug someone's user scripts or fix various content model issues, especially given how hacky the normal permissions around that are, so I'd like to keep it for that purpose in particular. Originally described purpose does still stand as well (css/interface/whatever fixes around deployed products, especially across different languages and projects) at least in theory, though it hasn't come up much in practice since we've been trying to keep as much as possible as universal as possible to the skins/extensions themselves, and most of the projects have been pretty good about cleaning up their own workarounds without any issue once no longer needed, but it's kind of hard to predict what will come up. -— Isarra ༆ 14:09, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- I'm fine with renewing your GIE permissions for another year. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:36, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Obviously yes. Thanks for the good work. 1 year isn't a big deal. --Cohaf (talk) 14:38, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support TonyBallioni (talk) 14:59, 10 August 2019 (UTC)- Of course yes; is a discussion/vote necessary for this type of renewals? Thank you for your continued contributions, Vermont (talk) 15:15, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Normally a short period of consideration is allowed just in case there are any objections. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 15:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- And in fact there is one in this case. * Pppery * it has begun 15:34, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Normally a short period of consideration is allowed just in case there are any objections. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 15:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose moving drafts without leaving a redirect is not within scope of the Global Interface Editor permission. * Pppery * it has begun 15:34, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- What on earth does this have to do with Global interface editor perms? (Edit conflict.)Praxidicae (talk) 15:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Because the global interface editor group includes the
suppressredirectright, and Isarra did not (as far as I can tell) belong to any other groups granting them that right. * Pppery * it has begun 15:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)- And that single move is a reason to completely remove her permissions? Seems like an issue you could have left her a message about... eight months ago (or now if you just noticed it now). – Ajraddatz (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- I really dont like to badger opposes but this oppose is really something I have to call out. First, suppressing that redirect isn't causing much harm as compared to suppressing a cross mediawiki to template move, it just save admin time on an uncontroversial R2 CSD. Given the immerse work they do as a developer and the clear need, an oppose on such rationale seems inappropriate in proportion. To be clear I'm not in line with using perms at wiki but I think this can be overlooked as an genuine error. I earnestly hope you can reconsider. Thanks much.--Cohaf (talk) 19:54, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- That redirect suppression does not meet R2, because that speedy criterion only applies to cross-namespace redirects from mainspace. Nor does it (from what I can see as a non-admin) appear to meet any other of the local criteria for suppression of redirects. * Pppery * it has begun 21:35, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think you see the point of the opposition to your oppose. It doesn't matter if they weren't completely within policy in this one instance eight months ago on enwiki. That's something to note to them as wrong, not to prevent them from volunteering in the future as a global interface editor. Vermont (talk) 21:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- That redirect suppression does not meet R2, because that speedy criterion only applies to cross-namespace redirects from mainspace. Nor does it (from what I can see as a non-admin) appear to meet any other of the local criteria for suppression of redirects. * Pppery * it has begun 21:35, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- I really dont like to badger opposes but this oppose is really something I have to call out. First, suppressing that redirect isn't causing much harm as compared to suppressing a cross mediawiki to template move, it just save admin time on an uncontroversial R2 CSD. Given the immerse work they do as a developer and the clear need, an oppose on such rationale seems inappropriate in proportion. To be clear I'm not in line with using perms at wiki but I think this can be overlooked as an genuine error. I earnestly hope you can reconsider. Thanks much.--Cohaf (talk) 19:54, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- And that single move is a reason to completely remove her permissions? Seems like an issue you could have left her a message about... eight months ago (or now if you just noticed it now). – Ajraddatz (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Because the global interface editor group includes the
- What on earth does this have to do with Global interface editor perms? (Edit conflict.)Praxidicae (talk) 15:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support - I am also not concerned with one pagemove from eight months ago, and do not think it is a valid reason to prevent the good work that Isarra does with the permission. That sort of concern could be resolved with a quick message, to the extent that it is even an undesirable action, and IMO should not be used to oppose at this stage. – Ajraddatz (talk) 15:39, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Won't break things. Praxidicae (talk) 15:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support I was not going to vote initially, but it become necessary to counter nonsensical votes. Also to reiterate (what I've said previously) this right should be given permanently. it's currently the most restrictive right of all available non-staff groups, and even then it has more staff than volunteers. It should only be removed either due to obvious abuse or long-time inactivity. These renewal quasi-votes are just bureaucratic timesink.–Ammarpad (talk) 15:42, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support per Ammarpad. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 16:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support I have full confidence that the incident mentioned above was not an act of malice, that it was likely a mistake, and that it could avoid being repeated through a simple message, no need to take away permissions. Such an incredibly minor thing I don't even understand how it's suddenly come up after this amount of time. Agreed with Ammarpad re: expiry of this group. --Krenair (talk • contribs) 18:10, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support --Novak Watchmen (talk) 18:21, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support also per Ammarpad, having trusted users to go through this bureaucratic nonsense is...well, nonsense. Isarra is a trusted MediaWiki developer who has been around for years, and she goes around fixing things, often spending considerable time to come up with a functional, maintainable, long-term solution instead of a simple hack. The movement needs more great people like her who are willing to donate their time and expertise to improve the technical state of things. --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 19:24, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Support per above. I trust Isarra to do a good job and frankly I couldn't give more of a fuck about that page move. Hiàn (talk)/editing on mobile account. 23:57, 10 August 2019 (UTC)- In my capacity as an en.wiki sysop I have ensured that the scope will never be exceeded again by granting
+extendedmover. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:56, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Support clear net positive. --DannyS712 (talk) 01:55, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Weak support seems to be OK, but without spending a long time looking through logs I'm not seeing much "need" here (GUC results aren't making any actual usage needs clear - though there certainly could be things that aren't very evident in that report). I weakly opposed this renewal last year, but haven't seen any repeats of that concern so am moving to the + side. If there is a better explanation of the need that can be illustrated this would probably be a normal support. I don't see any special reason to override the normal expiration/renewal process for this level of access though. — xaosflux Talk 03:14, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Support Jianhui67 talk★contribs 04:40, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Support--Turkmen talk 12:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC)- Yes, please. Kind regards, — Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk) 18:01, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
remove global OTRS member for B
- Global user: B (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
Thanks, --Krd 10:16, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Done --Alaa :)..! 10:27, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
remove global OTRS member for Eurodyne
- Global user: Eurodyne (edits (alt) • CA • global groups • crossactivity • verify 2FA)
Thanks, --Krd 10:16, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Done --Alaa :)..! 10:27, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
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