Encuesta sobre los deseos de la comunidad 2015/Plantillas

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Crear un repositorio global para plantillas, módulos Lua y accesorios

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T41610

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T1238

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T91162

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T6547

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T22153

Podríamos usar una ubicación central para almacenar plantillas, módulos Lua y accesorios que se usan en todos los proyectos de Wikipedia. De la misma forma que las imágenes de Commons se pueden usar en otros proyectos, el código de ese repositorio sería visible para todos los proyectos. El sistema actual con cientos de copias sin sincronizar de las mismas plantillas o módulos Lua sincronizados ocasionalmente con el original es muy difícil de mantener. --Jarekt (talk) 20:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Earlier discussion and endorsements

Endorsed --Jarekt (talk) 20:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed. See also mw:Extension:Gadgets/Roadmap. Helder 20:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed —MisterSynergy (talk) 21:10, 10 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed Danmichaelo (talk) 21:25, 10 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed A best-of-breed centralised Lua toolkit for Wikidata is particularly needed. Jheald (talk) 22:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed--Shizhao (talk) 02:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed Amir (talk) 10:13, 11 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed Having spent entirely too much time lately shuffling templates, template docs, and modules from one project to another as I tried to use them and discovered they didn't exist locally, I say an emphatic "yes" to this! Fluffernutter (talk) 17:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC) I think that phab:T91162 ("Shadow namespaces") is also related, since it proposes a concrete mechanism for implementing a global repository. Cscott (talk) 19:31, 11 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed It would redeem smaller wiki-projects --Usien6 (talk) 19:47, 13 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed. --Stegop (talk) 19:58, 13 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed Very nice idea! --Sampayu (talk) 20:18, 14 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed While one central "Global Repository" would be valuable, even better is if we can transclude a generic page from any sister-wiki. With the recent development of SUL, the recent development of special translation support, and the current work on cross-wiki notifications, the ability to "locally-write" information for cross-wiki work and have it "locally displayed" on another wiki opens revolutionary opportunities. One of the most immediate Use Cases would be for the WMF to simply post Project announcements (and this Wishlist survey!) on a WMF-local announcement page. The page(s) would be displayed in sections at EnWiki Village Pump elsewhere. Local wikis could then apply the new translation features. This functionality is very valuable to the Community, and it's a huge boon for the plans at WMF_product_development_process. Alsee (talk) 12:13, 15 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed Some valuable templates are only available in few projects. Having a central repo for templates would make all the projects benefit of all templates. Moreover, this would remove all potential duplicates of code. That said, the migration to a central repo should be done with care (converging similar templates to a unique one, removing all unneeded templates, ...). Bibi6 (talk) 15:53, 15 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed Please, please, please. With proper code review (ideally, a git bridge with gerrit code-review on top of it and a way to test candidate changesets directly on-wiki) — Arkanosis ✉ 16:30, 18 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed 4nn1l2 (talk) 00:09, 19 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed --Jane023 (talk) 12:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed --Susannaanas (talk) 16:26, 20 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed This would be really useful! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:50, 20 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed YuviPanda (talk) 09:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed -- Stephan Kulla (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed --Voll (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed as per my proposal. This would eliminate duplication of work and will allow multilingual support. A great opportunity to bring together the relatively much smaller community of people who understand the templates, people who will direct their energy in creating new, easier better templates, rather than duplicating / updating templates from other wikipedias. --FocalPoint (talk) 21:15, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Votos

1.  Support 4nn1l2 (talk) 03:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
2.  Support MisterSynergy (talk) 09:10, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
3.  Support --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:34, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
4.  Support Goldzahn (talk) 12:46, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
5.  Support As a prerequisite for a centralised gadget repository, the long-running "Gadgets 2.0" project needs to be finished off, which is something I'd also like to see Community Tech work on as part of this wishlist item (should it pass the voting phase). This, that and the other (talk) 13:25, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
6.  Support soon or later a centralised repository of this items has to be offered.--Alexmar983 (talk) 16:32, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
7.  Support. --Stryn (talk) 19:14, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
8.  Support Orlodrim (talk) 20:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
9.  Support Grind24 (talk) 20:37, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
10.  Support Voll (talk) 21:47, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
11.  Support --° (Gradzeichen) 22:03, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
12.  Support --UV (talk) 23:16, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
13.  Support --Leyo (talk) 23:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
14.  Support --provided that local communities can always override anything from the repository. xaosflux ^Talk 00:28, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
15.  Support --EugeneZelenko (talk) 00:49, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
16.  Support per TTO John Vandenberg (talk) 01:51, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
17.  Support--Shizhao (talk) 09:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
18.  Support--Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 10:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
19.  Support --Oetterer (talk) 10:52, 1 December 2015 (UTC) and pretty, pretty please make it portable to user maintained wiki families
20.  Support --Steinsplitter (talk) 11:25, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
21.  Support --mfb (talk) 12:29, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
22.  Support -- Amir (talk) 12:50, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
23.  Support --Arnd (talk) 14:57, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
24.  Support Matiia (talk) 15:08, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
25.  Support - Whaledad (talk) 15:21, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
26.  Support --Continua Evoluzione (talk) 15:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
27.  Support Sadads (talk) 16:14, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
28.  Support Snipre (talk) 16:01, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
29.  Support JackPotte (talk) 16:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
30.  Support --Silraks (talk) 16:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
31.  Support Goombiis (talk) 16:35, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
32.  Support Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
33.  Support -- Singhalawap (talk) 16:57, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
34.  Support --Dodi123 (talk) 17:12, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
35.  Support Papuass (talk) 17:33, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
36.  Support --Isacdaavid (talk) 17:43, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
37.  Support Matěj Suchánek (talk) 18:08, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
38.  Oppose for cultural reasons: I fear that this repository would start, exist and end on the basis and with the structure of one specific, big edition, with a lot of bot imports. The template problem needs a solution based on consensus, with explanations of how where when and why, not a technical superstructure. → «« Man77 »» ^[de] 18:12, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
39.  Support--Calak (talk) 18:36, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
40.  Support --Wesalius (talk) 19:13, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
41.  Support Gap9551 (talk) 20:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
42.  Support --Oriciu (talk) 21:38, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
43.  Support --Usien6 (talk) 21:46, 1 December 2015 (UTC) // Let a new era be born for smaller projects.
44.  Support Seems reasonable, though not necessarily all that useful for the average editor (who would be using templates, etc. within their own Wikimedia projects, not creating new ones). -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 21:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
45.  Support Mwaldeck ^msg 21:53, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
46.  Support --Nouill (talk) 21:58, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
47.  Support --Stegop (talk) 22:07, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
48.  Strong support Trizek ^{from FR} 22:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
49.  Support, although allowing (some?) templates to be transcluded cross-wiki might be a lower-impact solution. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:42, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
50.  Support Helder 23:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
51.  Support Tar Lócesilion (queta) 00:14, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
52.  Support --Gbeckmann (talk) 01:02, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
53.  Support Popcorndude (talk) 03:49, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
54.  Support Risker (talk) 04:32, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
55.  Support--Jarekt (talk) 05:02, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
56.  Support but only if will be possibile override the module – I think can be useful but only for very generic module like string.--Moroboshi (talk) 06:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
57.  Support Bgwhite (talk) 09:42, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
58.  Support Yes. Regards, Kertraon (talk) 13:37, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
59.  Support with the caveat that there needs to be some tolerance of templates/etc. that are designed to work on a specific wiki. Making templates/etc. that work on all wikis sounds enticing, but I imagine there will be many cases where such animals will become bloaty and/or difficult to use. Also, multilingual documentation would have to be provided for. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 13:44, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
60.  Support --β₁₆ – (talk) 14:25, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
61.  Support. A good feature but templates must be customisable for each wiki (add or remove fields depending on needs) — NickK (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
62.  Support--Manlleus (talk) 15:50, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
63.  Support —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:56, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
64.  Support though it will probably need a high standard for documentation and implemented testcases to remain useful. Pengo (talk) 21:42, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
65.  Support -- Dave Braunschweig (talk) 22:27, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
66.  Support --Trollramsac (talk) 22:50, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
67.  Support Mike Peel (talk) 23:23, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
68.  Support Rzuwig^► 11:07, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
69.  Support --Candalua (talk) 11:55, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
70.  Support - tucoxn\^talk 14:12, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
71.  Support — Arkanosis ^✉ 14:21, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
72.  Support --Sampayu (talk) 16:19, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
73.  Support though this could get very complex to support multiple languages. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:55, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
74.  Support SantiLak (talk) 10:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
75.  Support --Jane023 (talk) 18:27, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
76.  Support Bináris ^{tell me} 19:01, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
77.  Support Halibutt (talk) 00:31, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
78.  Support --FocalPoint (talk) 06:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
79.  Support --Ttzavaras (talk) 19:24, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
80.  Support -- Gts-tg (talk) 01:37, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
81.  Support -- Montjoie-Saint-Denis !!! ^{συζήτηση} 01:50, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
82.  Support --Dipa1965 (talk) 22:35, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
83.  Support --Waldir (talk) 12:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
84. Neutral --Templates are not "Just like images from commons". For example, many/most templates display text and are complex already; adding further code to display the text appropriate to the language (de=Yahre, en=Year...) would make them virtually unmaintainable. Also, it's not unusual (on en wp) to see cases where the functionality and the documentation of a template aren't in synch - how much worse would this be if changing one template meant that documentation in 100 languages then needed to be changed. There may be solutions to these problems, but these sort of things should be carefully considered before making major changes. DexDor (talk) 19:32, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
85.  Support --Z 12:33, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
86.  Support --ESM (talk) 16:36, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
87.  Support Alkamid (talk) 22:37, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
88.  Support Great, it wuld improve significantly the quality of the templates. Could this central repository be the Wikimedia Commons?--MisterSanderson (talk) 01:12, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
89.  Support Ijon (talk) 10:29, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
90.  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  10:08, 22 December 2015 (UTC) Would make things a lot easier e.g. using templates from WikiData (or a new one like WikiTemp with only a language-parameter or so

Insertar plantillas (tablas) en archivos PDF y libros

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T73808

Desde... Bueno, no se desde hace cuanto, los libros y archivos PDF no incluyen la información dentro de las plantillas. Como hay mucha información dentro de las plantillas (lo mismo pasa con las tablas) los archivos PDF descargados no la incluyen. -Theklan (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Earlier discussion and endorsements

I think that it comes from the templates, some of them contain the "class=noprint" because the local community decided it. But if you want to generate some books with their recurrent templates (eg: disclaimer), dynamically from its table of content, I recommend you to export my Lua module. JackPotte (talk) 23:11, 9 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed Taha (talk) 00:18, 10 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed @JackPotte, the problem it's not the "class=noprint", the current pdf engine is especially buggy in rendering table and dont show template containing table (like infobox). On november 2014 a message from Erik Moeller on wikitech ambassors mailing list describe the current status and said that is not a high priority project to fix them.--Moroboshi (talk) 07:30, 10 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed--Bramfab (talk) 18:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC) As the author of the PDF backend, I can confirm that the issue is not with templates, it is with tables. We have a large number of very complicated tables in our projects, and it is a non-trivial task to figure out how to lay them out in LaTeX. Basic patch here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/107587 -- but it would break more pages than it would help at this point. Help wanted, of course! But it would be even better to write an HTML-based PDF backend for mw:OCG and bypass LaTeX altogether. Hopefully we could use phantomjs 2.0 and not lose the nice support for Indic languages that we currently have. Cscott (talk) 18:39, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Votos

1.  Support בנימין (talk) 07:35, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
2.  Support Very much non-trivial to fix. But Collection/OCG is essentially unmaintained, so it would be nice for Community Tech to take this on and fix our half-baked PDF generation system. This, that and the other (talk) 13:26, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
3.  Support Table support should have been part of the MVP. John Vandenberg (talk) 01:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
4.  Support --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
5.  Support - Whaledad (talk) 15:21, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
6.  Support JackPotte (talk) 16:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
7.  Support -- Singhalawap (talk) 16:58, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
8.  Support Gap9551 (talk) 20:49, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
9.  Support --Samuele Madini (talk) 01:16, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
10.  Support Natuur12 (talk) 02:12, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
11.  Support --Moroboshi (talk) 06:51, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
12.  Support Mule hollandaise (talk) 07:49, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
13.  Support Kvardek du (talk) 09:32, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
14.  Support Yes. Regards, Kertraon (talk) 13:39, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
15.  Support Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 13:52, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
16.  Support--Manlleus (talk) 15:50, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
17.  Support —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
18.  Support This deficiency is VERY frustrating! YBG (talk) 06:47, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
19.  Support SantiLak (talk) 10:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
20.  Support Snipre (talk) 13:59, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
21.  Support —David Eppstein (talk) 07:01, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
22.  Support → «« Man77 »» ^[de] 18:12, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
23.  Support --NaBUru38 (talk)

Un poderoso y útil TemplateTiger

Actualmente TemplateTiger se alimenta con archivos exportados y no es muy útil si estas trabajando con plantillas muy utilizadas. Por lo tanto, por favor oh fundación, danos un tigre que recorra las plantillas vivo y que se pueda probar tan fácilmente como catscan (cuando está disponible). → «« Man77 »» ^[de] 18:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Earlier discussion and endorsements
Endorsed Having a live version would definitely be useful. Other things that would be useful for maintenance are detection of invalid parameters (I maintain a similar tool that provides this for frwiki, but unfortunately, I don't have resources and time to run it for any other wiki). Orlodrim (talk) 19:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)  Endorsed —MisterSynergy (talk) 21:07, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Votos

1.  Support MisterSynergy (talk) 09:10, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
2.  Support PerfektesChaos (talk) 11:35, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
3.  Support Orlodrim (talk) 20:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
4.  Support --Leyo (talk) 23:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
5.  Comment No matter how optimized such a tool may be, it'll surely feed on dumps. --Ricordisamoa 06:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
6.  Support I don't expect a live version to be more time-consuming than some expensive regex searches. --mfb (talk) 12:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
7.  Support --Manlleus (talk) 15:50, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
8.  Support --Waldir (talk) 12:51, 7 December 2015 (UTC)