Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Ronald McDonald

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The result was: delete.--Poetlister 13:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Ronald McDonald

This had a PROD. I am unsure about deleting it so am sending to VfD for discussion. It is a notable enough subject, and the quotes are not inane, though maybe they are not pithy and memorable. — Cato 00:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

• Vote closes: 01:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. I prodded it, for three reasons. First, Ronald McDonald is a fictional character, who only ever "speaks" in TV commercials, and maybe some kids cartoons (and nothing he says therein is worth quoting). Second, the quotes that are actually on the page remain unsourced (although they could doubtless be sourced fairly easily). Third, the quotes are the boring diatribes of non-notable people, directed more against the company than against the character (perhaps they would be better suited to a page on "McDonald's", but whether we want pages on corporate entities is a whole new discussion. The vegetarian is somewhat interesting, but "former Ronald McDonald actor" does not lend itself to quotable notability. BD2412 T 00:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per BD2412. --Aphaia 00:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. I would agree with BD2412 that the subject isn't Ronald McDonald. Should the article be moved and renamed McDonald's? I'm not sure it's worth the effort. The quotes don't stand on their own. Perhaps, if provided with context, they would be more informative. Wikiquote, however, should deal in self-sufficient quotes. The more that a quote needs explaining, the more inadequate it is for our purposes. The first quote is about someone's remorse over what he was promoting. This presumably refers to meat, based on the comment that accompanies the quote; but the quote itself gives us no insight. The second quote is by someone who says that he was persecuted by the company. What was it all about? The quote doesn't tell us. The third quote begins by referring to some Ronald McDonald actors, whom the quotee "will not mention by name." Do they include the ones we've encountered in the first two quotes? Again, we don't know. As for the rest of the quote, it's of no particular interest. - InvisibleSun 01:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment These are clearly quotes about not by Ronald McDonald, and are valid on that basis. Plenty of famous quotes don't stand on their own in the sense InvisibleSun means. What is "round up the usual suspects" about?--Poetlister 08:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Still, Ronald McDonald is a fictional character, and one of very minor importance compared to, say, a Hamlet or a Captain Kirk. Here you have one guy regretting that he portrayed the character, a second angered at his treatment while portraying the character, and a third who portrayed the character and liked the job just fine. I see nothing quoteworthy, even when we know the context fully (especially then, in fact). BD2412 T 09:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep This collection of quotes seems to me to be an interesting diatribe about junk food, & fast food, a phenomenon of our time. Modernist 12:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
  • But surely not in an entry on "Ronald McDonald"? I could see having an entry on fast food (with maybe the first and third quotes, although the second is really about the corporation alone - and even the third is a stretch). BD2412 T 21:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment What is interesting here is partially the idea that Ronald McDonald doesn't exist and the real actors are commenting about the corporate world that they worked in. Clearly an interesting insight into the dangers and insincerity of corporate greed. Modernist 00:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete This collection of quotes does not provide any of the things I look for from Wikiquote. They aren't "quotable" (that is, things I can see inserting into conversation because they are so well-phrased or well-put or amusing), they don't provide insight into a notable or interesting character or theme, and they don't resonate with admirers of a notable person or creative work. They are a grab bag of quotes only tangentially connected with the character of Ronald McDonald, and more germane to the fairly esoteric topic of the role of the performer as spokesperson for a large corporation -- a topic for which they are still a fairly tepid offering. In short, I don't see anything worth keeping here. --Ubiquity 05:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete if this deserves a page common sense has failed--McNoddy 14:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete.--Inesculent 15:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. ~ UDScott 16:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.