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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: No consensus..

Obviously this has been open for a long time. The current article is significantly different than the article as it stood when nominated. I'm not establishing precedent one way or the other. But a lot of the deletion arguments seem to stem from the state of the article as nominated and not the appropriateness of the subject, and a lot of those !voting on those grounds don't seem to have revisited the article after changes were made. So it's reading tea leaves to try to divine what their opinion might be given the changes in the interim and whether their original opinion still stands. But this discussion seems to have fizzled out with no new comments in about a month.

It may yet be deleted. But that probably needs a new discussion that isn't mired in outdated commentary and is instead grounded in the current article and the current subject, both of which are significantly different than the state of affairs in June. I apologize that our tardiness in closing deletion discussions is so pronounced that it itself becomes a thing to consider in closing deletion discussions. GMGtalk 14:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)reply

2022 monkeypox outbreak

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Listed material us unlikely to meet Wikiquote:Quotability; the quotes are just ordinary objective reports of the situation with no preference on their specific wording. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿค๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿบ๐ช๐‘ค๐’†๐“‡๐Ÿท๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฅ๐Ÿœ๐“บ๐”ด๐•–๐–—๐Ÿฐ (๐—๐—ฎ๐˜ญ๐™ ) 07:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)reply

As for the second question, you may or may not know that Wikiquote:Votes for deletion "discusses whether a page should be deleted or not", so you can assume that anybody nominating a page for deletion here does indeed opine "that this article simply does not belong on WQ". The reasons for that opinion are generally stated in the nomination, so maybe you could try looking there. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿค๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿบ๐ช๐‘ค๐’†๐“‡๐Ÿท๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฅ๐Ÿœ๐“บ๐”ด๐•–๐–—๐Ÿฐ (๐—๐—ฎ๐˜ญ๐™ ) 05:14, 18 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I can technically find quotes but they don't meet Wikiquote:Quotability. It's just medical advice and news reporting. I would propose to delete unless such quotes can be found. It may be too soon for them to exist. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 22:24, 2 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete a recent news topic that has so far attracted no notable quotable quotes. HouseOfChange (talk) 08:52, 3 June 2022 (UTC)reply
@Ottawahitech:, I would read through Wikiquote:Quotability. The comparison between the two page's pageviews doesn't really make sense. The statement that editors who, like you, are "destroying" is uncivil and makes me think of what a new user with no experience would say, not what one who has done genuinely good work, like you, would say. Not everything warrants a Wikiquote page; that doesn't mean there's nowhere the page would be useful, it just simply may not belong here. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)reply
@Rubbish computer, I would rather not debate who is more uncivil/incivil. I would rather lay out some simple arithmetic that everyone can agree with:
  • seven non-IP users have contributed to this deletion discussion
  • four non-IP users and three IP users contributed to the actual article that is being nominated for deletion in this discussion
  • on 21 May 2022 the article was created by an IP user, it was tagged as a Proposed deletion within 3 hours
    • Proposed deletions (PRODs) are described in a WQ-Policy namely: Wikiquote:Proposed deletion
      • According to this policy: "This process should only be used for articles that are uncontroversial deletion candidates that obviously do not belong in the Wikiquote quote compendium"
    • On 31 May 2022 I removed the PROD tag, and had my action promptly reverted with a stern please wait for an admin edit summary.
      • I spent additional time on the tagger's user-talkpage to remind them that anyone is free to remove PROD-tags, no need for admin permission. In total this used up 6 more edits that contributed zero improvement to the article, and used up time I would have preferred to use adding content to our compendium of quotes.
    • On June 1 I removed the PROD tag for the second time, just to have the original tagger replace it with a Votes for deletion (VFD) tag
Summary: Only two non-IP users, out of a total 11, attempted to improve the article. There were 17+6+12=35 corresponding edits, but only 6 edits were an attempt to improve the article. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:16, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Okay, Ottawahitech, but please follow w:WP:CIVIL. โ€“ Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I can't see how bringing up the edits to the page is relevant in this discussion. VfD is about discussing articles, not editors. I have already apologised for reverting your removal of the PROD tag on my talk page, so I am not sure what point you are trying to make about it now, neither do I see what is objectively wrong with "replac[ing] it with a Votes for deletion (VFD) tag", which means nothing but starting a discussion after your removal made clear that the article would not be an "uncontroversial deletion candidate" as required by PROD. As for "attempt[s] to improve the article", I believe @Rubbish computer's comment you were replying to already explained that there is no merit in attempting that on things that "just simply may not belong here" โ€“ and a web search shows that there are no quotes meeting the criteria of this project on this topic at the moment. (Feel free to prove that wrong though, but do remember Wikiquote:Quotability.) ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿค๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿบ๐ช๐‘ค๐’†๐“‡๐Ÿท๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฅ๐Ÿœ๐“บ๐”ด๐•–๐–—๐Ÿฐ (๐—๐—ฎ๐˜ญ๐™ ) 19:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
@Rubbish computer, Re: "The comparison between the two page's pageviews doesn't really make sense."
It makes perfect sense to me. The comparison between pageviews of the page nominated for deletion and the page where the deletion is being debated clearly shows that a lot of energy is being diverted away from improving the article in question. AND, unfortunately, it appears this trend will accelerate in the next days.
I am saying this with a heavy heart, but after reading a seemingly unrelated discussion regarding the use of paywalled sources on WQ, it appears I am not the only person around who feels WQ is in trouble. The person who conveyed this information is, unlike most of the participants on this deletion board, someone who has contributed A LOT of content to WQ, but rarely participates in discussion. I am not the most eloquent person around, and I do not enjoy participating in Dramah boards. The only reason I am here is my gut feeling that deletion does not fix the important issues we face trying to build this "compendium of quotes". All this does is take away attention from the real issues that we must confront.
IMIO we should be drawing new participants into more productive pursuits and away from endless discussion. People without experience in building content should not be making decisions for the rest. YMMV. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:09, 18 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I'm not interested in taking this conversation any further. I voted Delete based on Wikiquote:Quotability, the article doesn't meet it, that's literally it. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep AntisocialRyan (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
  • Keep Wikiquote:Quotability is a guideline that describes what good quotes are, it does not tell us when articles should be deleted. Wikiquote: Deletion policy is where we should be looking to see if this article should be kept or deleted, and it is clear that the rationale for deletion that has been used in this deletion discussion cannot be used when one follows official policy.
The policy states quite clearly that articles which are capable of meeting inclusion criteria should not be deleted. The key word is capable. In other words, articles which currently do not meet inclusion criteria, but are capable of meeting this criteria in future, should be kept. Since WQ has dozens of similar articles (see: Category:Diseases and disorders), I don't see how anyone can convince us that an article about this particular disease is not capable of meeting WQ criteria. Ottawahitech (talk) 01:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)reply

Comment I happened to see two articles on monkeypox the may contain decent quotes:

When will this VFD be closed? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:35, 21 June 2022 (UTC)reply

Quotes

  • Comment more quotable materials available now. However the choice of quotes should be primarily leaders/institutions commenting on the status and society's reactions as of a certain date, rather than attempt to use Wikiquote to assert up to date facts on monkeypox itself. As the scientific research will be evolving fast, which is hard for Wikipedia to keep up with and Wikipedia is many times faster than Wikiquote. There is also the w:WP:MEDICAL disclaimer/policy. Rauisuchian (talk) 15:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC)reply
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