Talk:Content translation/2015/03

(Previous threads were moved to Talk:Content translation/Specification.)

Link bad generation

Contest: original source links to a wrong word and translate too, obviously.

Action: I delete link in translated text / type the correct text / select it and when appears as a found article to be linked, I click on "Use links".

Result: [[Basili de Cesarea]][[Basili de Cesarea|<nowiki/>]]

It is: the text I typed, the link & a orphan nowiki/

Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 06:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback.

We are considering providing options to modify the target for a link. In addition, we are looking at the generation of wikitext to find out what is producing that "nowiki" orphan. Pginer-WMF (talk) 08:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Regarding to my experience this would be helpful: "to modify the target for a link". Thank you Hadi (talk) 16:33, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Three suggestions for eswiki --> cawiki

en 1975 --> en 1975 should be en 1975 --> el 1975 (any year)

en Florida --> en Florida should be en Florida --> a Florida (any place)

1975 --> 1975 should be 1975 --> 1975 (we don't overlink years in cawiki)

Thanks! JordiGran (talk) 10:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback.

Regarding the two first comments, Content Translation relies on Apertium for the initial translation. Your examples will be useful for the Apertium team to improve the translation rules in their engine. From a conversation in Catalan Wikipedia, a user collaborating with Apertium was willing to report proposed improvements to the team.

Regarding the last example, it would be interesting to provide some flexibility on which links to adapt by default to meet the policies on different Wikipedias. For example, a community could decide to ignore adapting an item such as 1984 if it is an "instance of year". Pginer-WMF (talk) 08:38, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I'll write it on his page. JordiGran (talk) 17:19, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Portuguese Wikipedia would have the same problem with 1984, I think. In most cases we should not be adding links to years... Helder 02:40, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

italic text

It would be nice to have the possibility to mark text in italics during the translation. Thank you Hadi (talk) 16:39, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

It is possible to do it using Ctrl-I, and in the Chrome browser there's also a toolbar that appears on the sidebar and allows basic formatting. Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 20:47, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

good to know - it works with my Firefox. Thank you Hadi (talk) 13:52, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

add pictures

It would be nice to have the possibility to add pictures - maybe link in the VisualEditor. Thank you Hadi (talk) 16:39, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

ContentTranslation allows adding the same images that appear in the source article. To add other images, just edit the article after creating the first version. ContentTranslation is a tool for article creation, and doesn't attempt to include all the features for editing - that's what VisualEditor is for. Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 20:48, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

ok, I understand. Hadi (talk) 13:50, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikicode editor

Hello there. First of all: congratulations for the tool. Is very promising :)

I'd suggest you to allow the translated code to be directly editable (via wikicode, not visual editor). With the editor, some simple tasks become really hard, like adding a new link in the text, or leaving a red link as a red link (currently, the tool removes links with no translation). Also, editing a link's text becomes difficult sometimes, as the visual tool puts the new text out of the link (for example, if I want to change the word "apple" (linked) to "appletini", when I add the "tini", it isn't linked (it's black instead of blue)). If I could edit the wikicode, I would simply overcome those limitations very quickly.

BTW: if I'm using the tool wrongly and some of the "limitations" I posted are human mistakes, please let me know!

Thanks. Racso (talk) 23:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback, Rackso.

The translation editor is aimed to support the process of adapting the existing content to create an initial version of an article (that will later evolve a a regular Wikipedia article). This is the reason for which it is not optimised to create or edit complex content.

Users can edit the content once published with Visual Editor or the Wikitext editor. Actually, the translation editor does not rely on Visual Editor (apart from using the underlying Parsoid service to convert HTML into wikitext), but the native contentEditable element of modern browsers. Supporting wikitext editing won't be trivial since the content is annotated for the translation process (e.g., to know which paragraph in the translation corresponds corresponds to in the original text).

Having said that, many of the aspects you mention will help to streamline the translation process. We have already considered: adding a new link,and support for red links. I just reported a task for facilitating editing links based on your comments and some previous observations. Feel free to subscribe to the reported tickets and provide feedback.

Thanks! Pginer-WMF (talk) 07:23, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Problems in translation publishing

When I press the button 'Publish translation' (eo:Publikigi tradukon), I get an error message. It's something like "error during saving the page" (eo: eraro dum konservado de la pagxo). To be precise these messages are in Esperanto (the wiki in which I work the translations) so, I am not sure which is the exact translation of these messages in English. Practically I can not publish the translation work that is done and I don't think moving the text to another text editor is a good idea. Glavkos (talk) 17:26, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Glavkos. Thanks for reporting this.

Articles can contain very different kinds of content and it is possible that the translation tool had some issues while processing them (e.g., we found problems with some wikis that had especial configurations of their abuse filter preventing the publication of content with external links).

It would be very useful if you could tell us which was the article that you were trying to translate. That will help us to identify where the issue is. We have solved already similar issues in the past, and we treat anything that prevents the user from publishing very seriously since it affects the main purpose of the tool (save you time to create great content).

Sorry for the inconvenience, and I hope that does not discurage you from keep trying the tool.

Thanks! Pginer-WMF (talk) 10:31, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Pginer and thanks for your reply,

ok, I forgot to mention the most important. The article was "Dušan Makavejev" from the en.wikipedia, which I translated to Esperanto. Something else I noticed is that when I change the text of the external links it turns its color to red. I deleted these red links with the suspicion that this might create the problem. Unfortunately it didn't help. Should I try to delete all external links and try to publish again? Glavkos (talk) 18:44, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Glavkos, thanks for the details.

I have opened a ticket in Phabricator to track the issue. The engineers form the Language Team will take a look at the status of the service that converts HTML to Wikitext (Parsoid) to identify which element is causing problems.

You are totally welcome to play with the translation to identify where the issue may be, but I think the info you already provided with the help of the debugging info will be enough for the team to find the problem.

Thanks for your help Pginer-WMF (talk) 16:46, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Discard translation

Is it possible to discard an unfinished translation? Davidpar (talk) 19:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Click the "..." near the translation in the dashboard. Amir E. Aharoni {{🌎🌍🌏}} 09:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh, it's easy! Davidpar (talk) 19:29, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

On sh.wikipedia by clicking these "..." dots, appears Discard but it's impossible to click on it C3r4 (talk) 06:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Language links

Hi there!

I made this new article with your tool (nice tool by the way!), and found that the Language Links box on the left-hand menu was not populated as expected with the links to the other languages versions of the same article. Is this a bug or is this a feature to be added in the future?

Thanks Savig (talk) 22:30, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

+1 Smihael (talk) 21:17, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for trying the tool. You are asking about the interlanguage links shown in left side of every article. When articles are published it might be a good idea to add those links automatically. I created a task to track this https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94398 Santhosh.thottingal (talk) 11:25, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Ability to add more internal links

It would be cool if the editor would enable adding some more internal links that are not in the original article. Sometimes different language versions of Wikipedias have different guidelines regarding which pages should be interlinked. Smihael (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

It would be even mor cool if the editor could add an internal link that do not exist in the local wiki Archimëa (talk) 21:42, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, possibly https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78695 addresses both the issues raised here. Its on our next set of to-dos as part of a rather major overhaul of the links related features: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90718 . We'd love to hear more feedback of course :) Thanks. Runa Bhattacharjee (WMF) (talk) 04:20, 1 April 2015 (UTC)