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Minangkabau Wikipedia

Could someone help me work out why MinangKabau Wikipedia (created in ~January 2013) is not listed at [1], which is the data source for List of Wikipedias. ;-( John Vandenberg (talk) 09:47, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

mutante's wikistats is updated manually, but User:RobiH is unable to do so lately (the migration to wmflabs required a lot of changes). Code is at [2] but wikis are stored in the DB, IIRC. --Nemo 09:57, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not sure who @RobiH: is; a WMF employee? Minangkabau Wikipedia is also missing from stats.wikimedia.org. I hope that the statistics for the first six months of this project are able to be recreated, as min.wp is an example of a new wiki that is doing very well. Why arnt these tools using the same list as Special:SiteMatrix? Thankfully the dumps do exist. John Vandenberg (talk) 02:04, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

@Erik Zachte:, are you able to add Minang to stats.wikimedia.org? John Vandenberg (talk) 05:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Lost in translation

I don't know where to say this, so I say it here.
I have many problems with the « new » translation tool (<translate>). It takes me hours to adapt my translations in this format, with poor results. You can see this on Fossé des genres and outreach:Wikipédien en résidence.
As I understand it for now, there's at least 2 problems with this tool :

1. It suppose that the English version is the "good" one and that all the others languages versions must follow it. I don't agree. Sometimes, others languages can create better version of pages (we can see this in many cases on Wikipedia),
2. It put all no-translated text in English in the others languages versions. Some English sections don't have to be translated (as an example, the sections "Sample job description" and "Details on specific residencies" on "Wikipedian in Residence" don't have to be translated).

I don't know for the others translators, but for me, it is very frustrating. It takes me at least 2 hours to translate this and I have lose it all in the new version. It also takes me one hour to try to fit my translation in the new tool, with mixed success.
From my PoV, this tool didn't respect the KISS principle. Simon Villeneuve 13:56, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

About migrating old translations to the new tool, you should complain to the translation administrator who sets up pages for translation by the new tool (in this case Vogone). Normally they should do the migration of old translations to the new system (or make it happen).

About your point 2: What is the problem? If some sections don't have to be translated, why should they not appear in English on the translated pages? --MF-W 22:02, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi,
Thank you for the answers.
About point 2, I think that these sections should not appear in English in the translated pages because it cut the reading with irrelevant text in another language. A translated text "larded" with English isn't "fluid". If the reader want information in English, he or she only have to click on the English link.
This tool seems to have been created to "assure" that all the translated pages follow the same format that the one in English, as if the English version was "official". I don't know why it is this way. It's not the wiki way. The Foundation already have his own wiki for the top-down stuff. I think the others wikis must follow the same way as before : let each language set their pages and, when it's necessary, link them with the "official" Foundation position on the Wikimedia Foundation wiki. Simon Villeneuve 11:03, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

WeRelate

Please comment about the proposal for adopting the genealogy project WeRelate. -- Ypnypn (talk) 19:58, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

question concerning User:Wolfigisi and User:Emilie88

Why could user Emilie88 open an user account for User:Wolfigisi? She does have an account but it has been registered just recently. Looks a bit strange to me. Is there a reason for doing it on the german wiktionary? But the main question is: Why could she do it? 178.4.189.250 23:05, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

connection à mediawiki impossible

Bonjours àtous, j'ai installé mediawiki sur mon serveur d'hébergement mutualisé, l'installation c'est déroulée sans problème j'ai télécharge le fichier "LocoalSettings" que j'ai ensuite transféré dans le dossier contenant le site mais lorsque j'essaye d'y accéder via le web il y a ce message d'erreur qui s'affiche: "[3dc58a89] 2013-07-12 13:09:52: Fatal exception of type MWException" svp aidez-moi à résoudre ce problème.

cordialement, — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sultanb2013 (talk) 13:49, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Bonjour ! Je recommande que vous demandiez sur le "Support desk". Cdlt, PiRSquared17 (talk) 13:57, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Who finds the badge "Your edit was saved" useful?

appears after saving a page

I was wondering how to turn it off but obviously one can only hide it. Is there anyone, except the developers, who find it useful?

To quote from mw:Post-edit feedback:

The results from the test above showed that new Wikipedians find value in having a straightforward confirmation message after saving an edit; those who were told "your edit was saved" had a statistically significant increase in the volume of edits made, with no associated decrease in quality.

Obvioulsy, for brand new users, but as soon as you made 10 edits or so, you got how it works with MediaWiki? There is a lot measuring at m:Research:Post-edit feedback/PEF-2 but there is no attempt of an interpretation of this data. Why do the group-activity only differs after 50-100 edits? -- Rillke (talk) 19:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

The second test (PEF 2) was of a different message, and as we noted I think, there was no statistically significant difference. It was also a test of a different kind and frequency of messages though. Regarding the idea that we might turn if of automatically after a certain number of edits... this a usability anti-pattern. A confirmation message, like this one, should be consistently delivered in the same way unless the user actively gets rid of it. Automatically removing an edit save confirmation when it appeared always before is likely to cause confusion, whether you turn it off at 10, 50, or 100 edits. This feature is now in MediaWiki core, and cannot be turned off. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 19:59, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

The post-edit notice, whether in MediaWiki core or in a MediaWiki extension, can most certainly be effectively disabled by simply hiding it locally using a short snippet of CSS. :-) I don't think any Wikimedia wikis have done so yet, but any wiki community would be well within its rights to do so, should there be local consensus, and a number of users have disabled the notice for their personal account. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:29, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

A dismiss-permanently button would be nice. Self-deactivation after a given edit count is of course not an option. But actually I was curious whether here are people who find it useful and why they do. -- Rillke (talk) 21:30, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

@MZ: Turning it off != hiding, as I think Rillke pointed out. Yes a whole wiki could hide it in CSS, but it's not configurable. IMO, this is such a basic usability enhancement for wiki editing of any kind that adding a config variable to turn it off would be like a config to turn off the Cancel button. @Rillke: I agree the "dismiss permanently" would be the ideal way of enabling a preference to hide it. We haven't yet created a preference for this though, which that would depend on. I just checked again, and a simple userspace search shows that no more than 100 enwiki editors and fewer than 50 dewiki editors have disabled the message in their personal CSS. I don't personally consider that enough demand to add to our currently bloated list of preferences. I'm not ruling it out at all, I just don't think it's justified now. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 00:02, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

61 (gadget [no, didn't create this one]) +10 (user space) at Commons. A user option in the interface is not required, I think: After the user clicked the "X" three times (thus actively dismissed the message), ask them whether they "Would [you] like to turn the edit saved successfully message permanently off?" or try to integrate the message better into the UI. BTW, did you know that mw.notify() is also in core? It doesn't have this 3D effect and also accepts jQuery objects (including images). -- Rillke (talk) 08:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Plus, I think it should be somewhere integrated and not look like a cloud floating in front of the page. -- Rillke (talk) 21:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure I'd call it useful or useless. I do find it aggravating that the post-edit notice continues to needlessly obscure the user interface in Monobook for a few seconds (bugzilla:41240).

Are you proposing any course of action regarding the post-edit notice? Given the ability to trivially disable the post-edit notice on a per-site or per-user basis, I'm not sure what more there is to discuss and debate. You may also be interested in bugzilla:16066. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:29, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the thing is annoying but you just have to learn not to look at the top of the screen after saving. It's a good evolution exercise, now I never notice it even on the wikis where I didn't disable it. --Nemo 08:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Its annoïng as a fly & completely useleß for me. & I'm too lazy 2 add ðe line 2 my global.css. Definitely ðere šould be a pref. since I dont want it 2 eat any of my .js resources. Base (talk) 09:18, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

annoying & bothering, -jkb- 10:12, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

No one who finds it useful? Don't hesitate to write here! I am still curious. Don't be ashamed. No one can and will condemn you if you like it. -- Rillke (talk) 12:00, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't really care one way or the other normally, but I was a bit relieved to see it two days ago, when everything I did seemed to require an unusually long time to complete. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:14, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't find it very useful myself, although I'm fine with it if it helps encourage new users to contribute. PiRSquared17 (talk) 00:53, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I think it is awesome. Despite being only a small box, I think it is a very important confirmation for new users and it doesn't bother me at all. However, I like the idea that it could be easily disabled in user preferences if desired.—Teles «Talk to me ˱_{@ L C S}˲» 03:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Teles' comment above. For me it's ok, but an option to disable it wouldn't harm.--Arnaugir (talk) 12:13, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I find the confirmation useful. Sharihareswara (WMF) (talk) 17:29, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

New Version of the Flow Prototype Released

A new version of the Flow Prototype has been released. Please read the release notes here. This version has many changes, not the least of which is that it approaches full functionality.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 21:21, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

• Start: Clicking on Save this for next time does not change the state of the checkbox. -- Rillke (talk) 22:26, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
• Editing: Warning: You are about to reply to a topic that is older than 30 days. Consider starting a new topic rather than replying to this one. -- This is something the user receiving the message can config? I have no issue with users writing to old sections on my talk page. -- Rillke (talk) 22:32, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
• Editing: Editing old posts does not show a formatting toolbar. Editing the source code seems not to be possible. Clicking the formatting toolbar icons does nothing. -- Rillke (talk) 22:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

translate

Should we translate this site to foreign languages?

We already have translation of many pages, e.g. Wikimedia Foundation, langcom, Stewards. Of course, "foreign" is relative. PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:19, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

wp:id makn linkfun

link to facebook and twitter

Hey, please fix this :) . Thank you, Conny (talk) 07:59, 17 July 2013 (UTC).

Hi. Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Please fix what?

For reference, this message is controlled by w:id:Menyunting Templat:AdvancedSiteNotices. --MZMcBride (talk) 14:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I think MZMcBride meant id:Templat:AdvancedSiteNotices. ;) --Glaisher [talk] 16:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hah, indeed! Thanks. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 16:18, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello Conny, I understand your concern but last time I asked there was no clear rule about linking to unofficial Wikipedia/Wikimedia/<project> accounts on Twitter, Facebook or whatever from the sitenotice, sidebar or other (prominent) Wikimedia project spaces. (Personally, I don't like accounts owned and controlled by individuals.) You can see similar examples e.g. on ka.wiki and so many others that I don't remember. If you care, you may want to list them on Microblogging handles and Facebook pages.

It's conversely uncontroversial that projects can include features to share their own content on other websites, as happens on en.news and some Asian Wikipedia(s) I don't remember, though of course not everybody like those. --Nemo 17:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Nemo, no clear rule, ok :( . Greetings, Conny (talk) 07:41, 18 July 2013 (UTC).

New project proposal: Wikiabstracts

There are lots of books and articles at your desk, that you need for writing an essay. Finally you read all the articles and worte your paper, when in the last moment you find another paper you did not find earlier. You know this problem? Wikiabstracts wants to challenge it: A database of abstracts and a bibliography with all relevant texts for your subject. If your interested and think the idea could work - join the project!

How to elect a Administrator in a project without a Bureaucrats?

In a project without Bureaucrats how the community could choose Administrators or Bureaucrats? --Sahaquiel9102 (talk) 20:32, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

You elect them the usual way and then request the additional user rights at Steward requests/Permissions. odder (talk) 20:34, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! --Sahaquiel9102 (talk) 21:55, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Technical problem

Hello I do not know where to turn on the writing here since the night we disappeared buttons for adding interviki look here. thank you. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 08:34, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what caused the problem but now that the cewiki article has been added to the Wikidata entry, the interwiki lang links are now there. And "Edit links" link is also there now. --Glaisher [talk] 09:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

The problem was that the SiteLinkWidget was not enabled! Will shortly be fixed! :) ·addshore· ^{talk to me!} 09:49, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. We have long since there is no button (Edit links) for chechen language. As I understand you've fixed . regards --Дагиров Умар (talk) 08:44, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia Highlights from June 2013

Highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation Report and the Wikimedia engineering report for June 2013, with a selection of other important events from the Wikimedia movement

• Wikimedia Foundation highlights
  • First workshop on how to evaluate the success of organized Wikimedia activities
  • Preparations for the launch of VisualEditor and Universal Language Selector
  • Community input invited for privacy policy update
• Data and Trends
• Financials
• Other movement highlights
  • Election results for Board and FDC
  • "Flow Funding" supports aerial photographs of Hamburg from a hot air balloon
  • Art and design students illustrate Wikipedia
  • Offline Wikipedia for prisoners

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Single User Login finalisation

Hi! I have a question concerning the Single User Login finalisation, I hope this is the right place to ask.

I wanted to change my username globally, so some time ago I started to request changing my username on wikis where I had have an account. By now, on many wikis the renaming has been done, but there are still several wikis where it hasn't. So my question is, how will renaming/merging of local accounts work after the SUL finalisation? If I merge the remaining accounts with my old username in a global account, am I able to merge that whole global account with my other global account with my new username?

For example: I have usernames OldName and NewName, which are both global accounts. I have NewName local account on A-wiki, B-wiki and C-wiki, and I have OldName local account on C-wiki, D-wiki and E-wiki - is it possible to remove C-wiki from NewName, and move C-wiki, D-wiki and E-wiki from OldName to NewName?

Sanyi4 (talk) 18:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion, the first place where I'd ask is the Discussion/talk page of the announcement link that you posted. --89.176.96.40 08:15, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Pywikipedia is migrating to git

Hello, Sorry for English but It's very important for bot operators so I hope someone translates this. Pywikipedia is migrating to Git so after July 26, SVN checkouts won't be updated If you're using Pywikipedia you have to switch to git, otherwise you will use out-dated framework and your bot might not work properly. There is a manual for doing that and a blog post explaining about this change in non-technical language. If you have question feel free to ask in mw:Manual talk:Pywikipediabot/Gerrit, mailing list, or in the IRC channel. Best Amir (via Global message delivery). 13:31, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Update of the Wikikids proposal

Hi,

We have been refining the Wikikids proposal for a new Wikimedia Foundation Sister Project, which include adopting existing ones in the same way as Wikivoyage, notably the nearly 15,000 articles wiki for children in french Vikidia.

Current step must be to fix the Wikikids#Project plan and potential schedule for the proposal, and within it, establishing the basic principles and rules for the wikis to open or adopt, and set up a requests for comment.

Native english speaker could especially check the subpages: Wikikids/Questions and answers and Wikikids/Relation to the Rights of the Child.

I believe in the rationales of this project, whose existing versions are much appreciated by the children themselves, as we can read from their feedback on the guestbook.

Your remarks, criticisms and support (#People interested) are welcomed ! Astirmays (talk) 09:02, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

One more sub-page: Wikikids/Basic principles. Thanks ! Astirmays (talk) 21:43, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

...and some supplement to Wikikids/Questions and answers. I'd like to translate La documentation et Vikidia from french to english, how does the translation works here, if it's eligible for it ? I started it on Wikikids:Documentation and Vikidia. Astirmays (talk) 20:47, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

What do you think about "WikiTips"

I think it can be great idea. It's most common we look for tips on the net, like advices how to clean a spot, how to cook somthing etc. We can concentrate all those at one site, updated and criticized by everyone. What do you think?--95.86.126.162 14:00, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

See Wikihow. Rich Farmbrough 20:33 9 August 2013 (GMT).

Wikihow, a non-WMF project, specializes in such things. If you want to use a WMF wiki for some reason, Wikibooks is the right place. Wikibooks has recipes, textbooks, etc. PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I wanna to say some trust about wuuwiki

• Moved to Requests for comment/Sysop (Hercule&Stevenliuyi) malicious action to the wuu wikipedia --Glaisher [talk] 16:03, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Privacy violation

The autoblock block message on en:WP (and very likely other projects) violates privacy of the blocked user, by revealing their account name to others using the same IP.

This could, for example, "out" a young persons sexuality to their family or school fellows, leak information endangering someone's job to their colleagues or conceivably enable RL stalking.

Rich Farmbrough 20:32 9 August 2013 (GMT).

The same problem applies to the "Cannot create account" message. Rich Farmbrough 21:19 9 August 2013 (GMT).

Hi. This is interesting. Some questions:

1. How do you propose to fix this issue? Just give the autoblock number?

   Do you propose to fix this in MediaWiki core or for only Wikimedia projects?

2. Have you brought up the issue anywhere else? If so, what was the consensus/general reaction?

PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:01, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

1. A more general message should be given

   WMF (and/or en:wp admins) should fix the pages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Autoblocker for example) to comply with WMF policy

   Whether we fix the default distro is another matter, but it seems to be what the mediawiki community would expect.

2. This is the first time I have brought up the privacy issue, I have mentioned some other issues with the blocked user interface (overkill, rudeness, bad HCI) to various people in person. They seemed to agree. Rich Farmbrough 21:19 9 August 2013 (GMT).

Exactly which part of the WMF's privacy policy (or other policies) do you think this violates? PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:28, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm curious how someone might be outed to their family or school. You mean by the username that the user voluntarily chose? The other concerns seem similarly far-fetched. If two users are using the same IP address, what might the threat to either's job be? --MZMcBride (talk) 22:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Or the userpage of that user. PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:57, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

A username is very much public information, not private information, but from looking at this superficially while I'm jetlagged, it does seem that associating a username with an IP is a Bad Thing and perhaps unnecessary. If anyone wants to suggest a change I don't think it'd be controversial to revise the message in Mediawiki properly (via a patch, not local customization). Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 04:18, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Please help

See translatewiki:Thread:Support/Entrance

Hi. I've translated incorrectly -- on this we can not go to the site Online translatewiki.net update will not soon somebody can ask to add synonyms in the manual? -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 08:42, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Terms / MoU for India A2K project

There are some discussions on Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Work_plan_April_2013_-_June_2014/Pilot_Project_–_Performing_Arts_in_India#Nature_of_Community_Involvement - and it seems like there are open questions on whether the community has any say in the functioning of this WMF funded project. It might be useful if the terms / MoU between the CIS-A2K-India project and WMF are publicly available so we know if the community really has the right to complain about things like lack of discussions / transparency etc. Thanks. Shyamal (talk) 03:09, 11 August 2013 (UTC)