User talk:Abigor

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Things that are always welcome: coffee, good ideas, enthusiasm, and barnstars Archives sorted by month: Archives 2008 12 Archives 2009: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Archives 2010: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12                                                                                                                  Babel: nl, simple-3, en-2, de-2, fy-1, nds-1, fr-0 Messages Global JavaScript Hello Abigor. You now have global JavaScript, as you requested on User:Pathoschild/Scripts/Synchbot. You can see sortable logs of each page edited or skipped at User:Pathoschild/Scripts/Synchbot/Archives/Abigor. —Pathoschild 06:54:32, 24 January 2010 (UTC) cymbal banging monkey Hi ! Did you ever posted somthing about a cymbal banging monkey ? .... i followed some links below a picture and ended up at your page ^^ I'm from Austria, and I'm looking for that monkey -> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Like_a_monkey_with_a_minature_cymbal.jpg If you know anything about please let me know :) .... with kind regards Markus http://jandefietser.web-log.nl/jandefietser/2011/05/wikipedia-blokkering-cumulus-rododendron-etc-3.html http://jandefietser.web-log.nl/jandefietser/2011/05/wikipedia-blokkering-cumulus-rododendron-etc-3.html afz.: janDeFietser Incubator: Hungarian Wikinews Hello Abigor, the mentioned project has been closed, so if you could import it into the Incubator, it would be great. We assumed that the project will be placed under Wn/hu. Thank you in advance. - Xbspiro 12:14, 17 May 2011 (UTC) Blocked Hello Abigor! I've blocked all your accounts for general project disruption and for playing us as I already said here. Just informing you. You should have known better. This is not a game we are playing here and your behaviour was clearly disruptive. Also I've removed your global rollback right from the account Abigor. -Barras 18:21, 1 July 2011 (UTC) That's a pity. Abigor, I'd love to hear from you what is going on -- you can respond here if you like. –SJ talk | translate   10:38, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Hi SJ, do you mind if I respond by mail, I'm kind of affraid that what I say online will be used to get my out of the projects where I still can be active. Let me know if its okay? Yours sincerly, Huib talk Abigor 11:35, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Of course that's ok. I'm meta.sj on gmail . RFC Barras, I hope you can take a stab at an RFC to clarify what you feel is going on. For others with concerns about Abigor's behavior, please post them on that page as well. –SJ talk | translate   11:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC) I'm currently traveling but will be home tonight (local time) and make a e-mail. Huib talk Abigor 11:51, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Thank you. –SJ talk | translate   Just for the record, its send... If you want to know more just ask me.. I'm no good writer. Huib talk Abigor 19:07, 3 July 2011 (UTC) unblock Unblock request granted This blocked user asked to be unblocked, and one or more administrators has reviewed and granted this request. Request reason: Please remove the block Barras give me. Cross-wiki abuse doesn't mean a block here on meta since there wasn't any abuse on projects. Running a unapproved bot is discussable, our policy says I need to do 50 edits before I can request approval I did 2 so according to the policy nothing was wrong even if it against Policy that we have other "bots" doing the same without a flag. Abbusing multible accounts was on nl.wiki and not meta. So please unblock, that will make me be able to talk with the RFC and make me be able to continu my work for the LangCom, with a block I cant do that. Huib talk Abigor 18:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Unblock reason: I understand the reasoning for this block completely however this user should at least have access on Meta for the RfC etc. Also the lock is now undone. Herby talk thyme 18:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC) This template should be archived normally. block log gblock log blocklist stalktoy guc unblock gunblock contribs: +/- I hope this deblock is only a deblock on meta and not the other projects... I think it's a very bad thing if we'd deblock a user who is creating accounts with names like Xxxxxx xxxxxx fucks Xxxxx Xxxxxx in his ass (CU on meta confirmed connection with Abigors account, account is allready locked and hidden - dferg and barras took care of this). After edits like those which show personal information of Abigors victims I don't honestly believe Abigor is able to contribute in a civilized way to Wikipedia. Silver Spoon 18:39, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Silver Spoon, what do you mean by showing personal information of victims? –SJ talk | translate   20:38, 3 July 2011 (UTC) I mean Abigor made a blatant privacy violation which was confirmed by a CU here on meta. Fortunately it's all oversighted. Silver Spoon 20:45, 3 July 2011 (UTC) I guess Herby already responded here to you about that... Stop saying things that aren't true please. Huib talk Abigor 21:01, 3 July 2011 (UTC) I'm not saying things that aren't true, I would ask you though to please stop saying things that aren't true. On IRC yesterday some CU's told me that they would react to this yesterday night. I have no idea why this is taking so long. I'll go ask them. Silver Spoon 20:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC) You asked for a diff, here it is. Silver Spoon 18:31, 6 July 2011 (UTC) You can apologize for calling me a liar here. I did not create a account like that... Would be impossible also, because registrering accounts was blocked also. But for your information both the local block as the global lock is gone. Huib talk Abigor 18:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Don't you think it's rather strange then for a CU to confirm it? In short: I don't believe you, I do believe the check users. Silver Spoon 18:42, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Where is the request or the diffs? Huib talk Abigor 18:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC) The IP concerned is by way of being a public one - if I ever find it was Huib's account I would reblock without hesitation. I still maintain access would be better given the RfC. --Herby talk thyme 18:56, 3 July 2011 (UTC) Ask a steward or a local CheckUser to confirm it. — Waterfox ~talk~ 18:58, 3 July 2011 (UTC) See the message here above. It was created from a public IP. And that is a CU saying that. Huib talk Abigor 19:01, 3 July 2011 (UTC) I think I had better clarify my comments here. Primarily I considered unblocking Abigor to allow access to the RfC. I know it could have been done differently however - generally - folk do not get blocked on Meta except as a last resort if such a process is going on. Secondly - the IP used for the blatant vandal account was a public IP. However that very fact means that neither I nor anyone else can confirm with certainty that it was or was not Abigor who created that account. I sincerely hope it was not as I have worked with him for some years and have respect for him. However neither I nor he can prove it was not him. Sadly his behaviour recently has not been the same as it was of old and I am sure there are reasons for that. I hope that provides more clarity than my rather brief comments yesterday. --Herby talk thyme 08:46, 4 July 2011 (UTC) Suggestion Look, Abigor, you did make some mistakes. Notice that what is being said about you is that you don't admit mistakes, that you will lie and blame others to cover them up. I have no idea that you are lying about anything, but you also have not openly and clearly acknowledged errors. The account Dirt Diver was set up without disclosure, and started operating a bot without permission, right? I understand your motive, and it wasn't a "bad" one, but that was an error. Do you understand why it was a problem? If so, explain this in the RfC. Admit your errors, promptly, you'll find it won't make things worse, and people will be more confident that you won't make the same mistake again. If you *haven't* made any mistakes, you are too good for the WMF, you may well be globally banned. I wish that was a joke, it's not. --Abd 23:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC) Looks bad, Abigor. If you had promptly admitted the errors, as rash actions, this would have blown over. Life lessons? I assume you will be allowed continued Talk page access, and email access if you don't abuse it. If you need any assistance, let me know. v:User talk:Abd could be a good place to ask if you can't ask here. Good luck. --Abd 12:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Thanks. I just find it very strange that there is a link between Dirt Diver and the account... Because I used the Toolserver to edit with Dirt Diver, and I'm sure the account isn't created from the toolserver... And they won't share the IP.. Still thinking I'm being framed here... Huib talk Abigor 15:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Deletion Hi, Abigor. I just deleted your user page as you requested. However, we don't delete user talk pages, so you can archive this page. mickit 12:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Your request for IP information. I have argued that you should be provided this information, see Talk:Requests_for_comment/Abigor (perm.link). Good luck. --Abd 19:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Thanks, when there will be no cooperation I guess I maybe should start a discussion at foundation-l because the privacy policy is foundation wide. Since I cant argue there I will post here why I want to see the data... The problem is I use GRPS connection for my laptop, this is provided by the biggest telecom company in the Netherlands, this uses one range of IP numbers for all those connections... Everybody that knows that... And yes there are a lot of those people can easely set me up by login in with a mobilephone on the KPN network. The main problem is, what I already posted on Herby's talkpage... At the moment the account was created I wasn't in the country, it has to be a german IP to be me. I can send the bill for the hotel when needed. Huib talk Abigor 21:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC) It's completely besides the point where you were. I'm sure I don't have to explain to you how you can be at one location and have an IP-adres from a completely different location. Silver Spoon 21:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC) There you go... Maybe you should never want to discuss things like this... when you login to KPN GPRS you always get a IP out a the same range... it doesn't matter where you are... And those IP's are complete random. Huib talk Abigor 22:13, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Huib, frustrating, isn't it? I'm not seeing that you understand the situation. Before I explain it, just tell me straight. I have not seen you say that you were not the abusive account-creator, the one who created the abusive username. You've merely asked how this was known, demanded proof. If you were that user, it's easy to tell how it was identified, the checkusers affirmed that the strongest possible identification was made, and I believe I know what that means. If you were the user, I highly recommend you just say so, and apologize for all the fuss you created. Doing stuff in anger is rather easily forgiven, if admitted. If you were that user, and are simply too embarrassed to admit it, and can't get over that -- it would be a huge victory if you could! -- then I suggest quietly disappearing, because what you would do to try to clear your name will possibly increase dislike of you. It can work that way. But if you were not the user, understand, first of all, that this would take a lot of effort to establish, with a high likelihood of failure. You can see above and on the Talk page how certain people are about this. If you decide to go ahead, let me know and I'll assist. You can, of course, do it completely on your own, but your comments above show that you don't seem to understand the problem. If you were not the user, then there is a high probability that your computer is compromised, or was. Do not think of this as an excuse you can use. It is unlikely that anyone will believe it. --Abd 22:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC) the most fustrating of all of this is that SilverSpoon drops in every conversation with offtopic stuff... Its really annoying... I'm not going to say that my laptops where compromised, if I would say that it would cost my job and I'm sure that isn't the case. The weekend that the account is created I had my laptop with me, or in a locker. So that wouldn't be the problem. The only thing that I think is very strange in the conversation is that they where able to link Dirt Diver to Abigor and the removed nick. I was registered on meta with Dirt Diver by a proxie unlinkable to Abigor, after that the bots edits where made from the toolserver. But somehow the account is created and is linkable to Abigor and Dirt Diver and that sounds very strange to me, thats why I want to see the IP and user-agent info for that account. Is it only the IP that matches or is it more? And yeah maybe it will cost lots of time and no I'm not going to put lots of time in it. For now the only thing I need to come clean about is that "Delay" was a shared account used by 4 people, but that is a block-able offence, so that doesn't change a thing. I didn't edit with it on Wikipedia but was one of the 4 people. T I do not have to come clean about harrasment what so ever. I did never created any accounts that would compromise the privacy for Sumurai8, yeah we where in a argument but I didn't cross the border between right and wrong. Huib talk Abigor 23:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC) I think I wasn't clear enough so I'll try and explain it to you in Jip and Janneke language. You said: "At the moment the account was created I wasn't in the country, it has to be a german IP to be me." My respons was intended to reply to this statement. Unfortunately you didn't get it. What I meant to say was: If a person is in another country, lik you were in Germany, this persondoesn't have to have a German IP when editing on Wikipedia. For example: you could use a Virtual Private Network while you're staying in Germany and then edit through this VPN connection on Wikipedia. When a CU is then requested on Wikipedia this CU wouldn't show the German IP, but the VPN-IP instead. So what I'm saying is that being in Germany doesn't mean the only way for you to edit was through a German IP-adress. You could have used a VPN or another method to edit from a another ( := Dutch) IP-adres. In your response I read that you were suggesting that because you were "being in Germany" it was impossible to have another IP-adress. I just showed you the opposite. Please elaborate why you think this is off-topic. I don't agree with that assessment. Silver Spoon 15:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC) Of course you are technically correct, but this could be practically irrelevant. Abigor knows about using proxies, obviously, he acknowledges using a proxy to create Dirt Diver. Bottom line, Silver Spoon, he doesn't consider your comment welcome. How about leaving the user his Talk page? There is no proposal for unblock here where you would have a legitimate need to oppose. What Abigor truly did and what he truly wants is not a matter than I can divine. However, an AGF interpretation would be that he didn't make the vandalism edits and wants to know what the hell happened. An ABF interpreation would be that he just wants to know how he screwed up. Bottom line: if he did make the edits, simply knowing that he screwed up would be enough to cause him to be more careful, if he decides to sock in the future. If he didn't, then providing him the information will help him to understand what happened, again, and what problems he may wish to check for, such as a compromised computer, very serious for him (he could "lose his job"). Indeed, he might use the information to make a claim of error, but that's not going to fly unless he can present convincing evidence. "The dog ate my homework" isn't going to work here. Even if the dog did eat his homework. I don't think it's practically irrelevant. But you might be correct about his dog eating the homework, unfortunately when the dog-story fails he'll come up with a cat or another animal. I don't think I'll get an apology from him, the only reaction is to get rid of it al. So, it might indeed be better to leave this talk page alone. I don't think I'll accomplish anything here. Silver Spoon 18:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC) To make it more easy for the checkusers: Was the account created by a IP 93.186.23.** I'm currently loggedin from 93.186.23.81 it wouldn't be to hard to confirm that or not? Huib talk Abigor 23:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC) This is what you want, I think: log-in/edit times and IP for Abigor, Dirt Diver, and the vandal account, and user agent information. My opinion is that someone asking for this is consenting to public disclosure of the information, do you agree to this? You have acknowledged being Dirt Diver, and your curiosity about how Dirt Diver was identified is not adequate reason to take the time of a checkuser, in my opinion. However, I understand your comment above as a denial of being the vandal user. Is that true? --Abd 02:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC) @SilverSpoon I told you that I don't want you here... And that I'm not going to respond to you anymore... You wanted me blocked, and you got it.... So now just leave, you are going over the line here it starting to look like herassment. Huib talk Abigor 20:26, 8 July 2011 (UTC) Drop the cudgel, Abigor, SilverSpoon, above, already agreed to leave this talk page alone. Let this user have the user's own opinion, you have more important fish to fry. Please remember, I know it's easy to forget, you did do at least some of what brought down the consequences. --Abd 03:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC) I will promise with everything I have that I'm not the vandal user, and I want to find out what happend. Cuz how Dferg and Barras say they found the link is simply impossible since Dirt Diver only logged in by a proxy or Toolserver. So, I know I'm in trouble for socking with that account, no quistions asked... But the link with the vandal account and Dirt Diver is simply not possible... But the stewards are not going to discuss it... So I don't get any proof but I will pay the price, Dferg or Barras didn't become a CU on nl.wiki also... And the Dutch are trying to get me blocked in the first place, so sorry I don't believe any data if its been given my the Dutch CU people. Huib talk Abigor 20:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC) Okay, I believe that you should be given this information, but, meanwhile, I highly recommend that you also drop the cudgel with respect to "the Dutch," even though you may be right. Focus on what you can do that will serve your future. Take a break. Etc. All it takes is one checkuser willing to give you the information. If you don't present this as if it were a vendetta against the Dutch, you have a better chance of getting the information, providing it to you is not, as was asserted, a violation of privacy policy, the interpretations that have been given were preposterous. You might also formally request this information from the Ombudsmen, or the Foundation. If you were not the vandal user, you have possibly been defamed, or someone has effectively impersonated you, you have a critical interest in that data. So one step at a time. I have only so much time, but I'll do what I can. If you have anything specific you need assistance with, let me know. I'm not certain where you should start, you might know better than I. Start with the lowest level, if there is a way you can mail the checkusers or stewards, I'd suggest it. Then, if that fails, the Ombudsmen. Then perhaps OTRS or the Foundation. You've been caught in a trap: on the one hand, it's been asserted that the identification as the vandal was effectively certain, down to the same IP and user agent, unusual information, that the vandal and Dirt Diver were clearly using the same access and computer or device. On the other that this information cannot be revealed to you because you might *not* be the vandal, so "private information" of the vandal might be revealed to you. That's preposterous. A vandal like that has forfeited all right to privacy, and you can see this in that your right to privacy was violated but on the (legitimate) claim that the vandalism justified it. Good luck. --Abd 03:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC) One more element here, Abigor. Do you permit the release of checkuser data with respect to Abigor, Dirt Diver, acknowledged as well as found by checkuser to be you, The vandal editor confirmed by the appearance of checkuser data to be you, per your RfC? You have already, above, revealed likely IP for Abigor, but you would, here, be consenting to the release of full data, including but not limited to the user agent string. Thanks. --Abd 16:59, 10 July 2011 (UTC) I give permission to release the data. The info about my home IP is 87.214.0.244 this IP is owned by me and didn't change for the last year, all of my edits at home are done by this adress User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/5.0 Huib talk Abigor 19:32, 10 July 2011 (UTC) User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (BlackBerry; U; BlackBerry 9300; nl) AppleWebKit/534.8+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/6.0.0.448 Mobile Safari/534.8+