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{{TNT|New sister project proposal
| status              = stale
| project_name        = Wikitemplates
| tagline             = The template repository
| project_description = It will be a repository for templates which will be used on other Wikimedia/MediaWiki wikis.
| multilingual_wiki   = As it is a template repository, it will be multilingual
| multilingual        = Many languages
| technical_reqs      = See [[phab:T66475]] about implementation
| url                 = https://wikitemplates.org
| logo                = [[File:Wikitemplates Logo.svg|256px]]
| more_settings       = Allowing uploads would be redundant as the project will not have any local files.
| development_wiki    = https://wikitemplates.org
}}

Wikitemplates is a wiki that is basically a repository for templates, which will be used as a replacement for local templates which occur in most wikis. 

==Proposed by==
*[[User:Zaenon|Zaenon]]

==Alternative names==
*TemplateWiki

==Related projects/proposals==
*Previous discussion of [[global templates]]: [[Global-Wiki]]
*Alternative approach for the time being at [[mw:Multilingual Templates and Modules]]

==Domain names==
*https://wikitemplates.org - Registered by User:Sophivorus
*https://templatewiki.org
*https://templates.wikimedia.org

==Mailing list links==
As of now there is no mentioning of this project

==Demo==
https://www.wikitemplates.org

Hi all! I just registered wikitemplates.org and set up a wiki for it. To get started with development, we can use the [[mw:Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding|scary transcluding]] feature. The reason for its name is that it's "somewhat inefficient", but you know what's ''really'' inefficient? Having scarce volunteers repeat work over and over hundreds if not thousands of times only to save computers some work! I have enabled scary transcluding in [https://wikivideos.org/wiki/Main_Page https://wikivideos.org] (a wiki I made for the [[Wikivideos]] project proposal). You can register there and experiment! I also developed a first, relatively simple "wikitemplate" (see [https://wikitemplates.org/wiki/Template:Edit Template:Edit] and the [https://wikivideos.org/wiki/Template:Edit Wikivideos version]) and I'm working on a more complicated case ([https://www.wikitemplates.org/wiki/Template:Documentation Template:Documentation]). Out of this experience I started drafting some [https://www.wikitemplates.org/wiki/Main_Page#Best_practices best practices]. Cheers! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 14:55, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

:Ping to supporters: @[[User:Zaenon|Zaenon]] @[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|1234qwer1234qwer4]] @[[User:Thibdx|Thibdx]] @[[User:Фред-Продавец звёзд|Фред-Продавец звёзд]] @[[User:Arepticous|Arepticous]] @[[User:Yurik|Yurik]] @[[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] @[[User:MJL|MJL]] @[[User:Rubbish computer|Rubbish computer]] @[[User:Moonythedwarf|Moonythedwarf]] @[[User:沈澄心|沈澄心]] @[[User:BoldLuis|BoldLuis]] @[[User:Kostas20142|Kostas20142]] @[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]] @[[User:Kitabc12345|Kitabc12345]] @[[User:Atmark-chan|Atmark-chan]] @[[User:Random Wikimedian|Random Wikimedian]] @[[User:Matttest|Matttest]] @[[User:YavBav09|YavBav09]] @[[User:Netgo123|Netgo123]] @[[User:Shizhao|Shizhao]] @[[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] @[[User:TylerMagee|TylerMagee]] [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 13:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
::I'm a bit surprised that after more than two months of putting up the demo wiki, no one commented, no one contributed, no one even registered. Is it such an unsatisfactory demo? Is there any real interest in this project? [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 13:21, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, it's been one year since I registered wikitemplates.org and put up a demo wiki, and no one has really comment or participated. Thus I just let the domain expire (I won't spend a single dollar or minute more in this). I think this proposal is supported in theory but is stalled in practice. Thus I'm marking it as stalled. Bye! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 13:16, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

==People interested==
* This is a good idea, mainly because I would LOVE to restore the old SharedIP templates (the ones with the blue box and the big "Attention:") to English Wikipedia. Putting "Welcome to Wikipedia! Create an account!" into an anti-vandal template is just dumb. [[User:Lojbanist|Lojbanist]] ([[User talk:Lojbanist|talk]]) 08:46, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
*: This is not in the scope of the proposed project. [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 14:05, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
* Good idea. This will make it simpler to contribute to multiple wikis. New wikis will also start faster. We will all gain time. -- [[User:Thibdx|Thibdx]] ([[User talk:Thibdx|talk]]) 03:48, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
* {{Strong support}}. Very good idea to globalize some hundred-thousand of templates! Infoboxes, cite-webs, external link templates etc. [[User:Фред-Продавец звёзд|Фред-Продавец звёзд]] ([[User talk:Фред-Продавец звёзд|talk]]) 16:38, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
*{{Strong Support}} Changing my earlier perspective, this is actually brilliant idea, much easier than transferring templates from another project. Would help in many ways to projects that lacks templates. maybe we should make his a part of commons. [[User:Arepticous|'''<span style="color:Lightblue"><span style="background:Black"> Arep</span></span> <span style="color:Yellow"><span style="background:black"> Ticous</span></span>''']] 17:22, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
*{{support}} Already working on such a project on mediawiki with {{u|Yurik}} [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 09:31, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
*{{strong support}} Having recently become an admin on a smaller wiki, yeah.. this is badly needed. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[Special:CentralAuth/MJL|☖]]</sup></span> 00:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
*{{Support}} [[User:Rubbish computer|''Rubbish computer'']] ([[User talk:Rubbish computer|''Talk'']]: [[Special:Contributions/Rubbish computer|''Contribs'']]) 13:12, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
*{{strong support}} Would allow usage of templates like, say, the {{tl|strong support}} template on any site with ease, and allow sharing module code between wikis in an accessible manner.--[[User:Moonythedwarf|Moonythedwarf]] ([[User talk:Moonythedwarf|talk]]) 21:17, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
*{{support}} --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 09:53, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
* {{Strong support}}. Nowadays there is a interwiki template hell. Global templates can help. It would be interesting also '''help''' in designing templates for Wikimedia Projects' users. It must include template levels: a user perhaps want use a simple and easy template (i.e. level 1). [[User:BoldLuis|BoldLuis]] ([[User talk:BoldLuis|talk]]) 23:38, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
*{{support}}, would be very useful. --[[User:Kostas20142|Kostas20142]] ([[User talk:Kostas20142|talk]]) 22:10, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
*{{Strong support|Strong support}}. This project will be helpful for smaller wikis. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|<span style="color: #43b0ef;">NGC 54</span> <sub>]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|<span style="color: #7cb8f4;">talk</span> <sub>]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|<span style="color: #7cb8f4;">contribs</span><sub>]]) 08:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
:But Wikimedia Templates (<s>wikimedia.templates.org</s>templates.wikimedia.org) if Wikimedia Commons will remain "Wikimedia Commons"; if Wikimedia Commons will become "Wikicommons", then "Wikitemplates". --'''''[[User:NGC 54|<span style="color: #43b0ef;">NGC 54</span> <sub>]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|<span style="color: #7cb8f4;">talk</span> <sub>]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|<span style="color: #7cb8f4;">contribs</span><sub>]]) 15:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:: {{ping|NGC 54}} Do you mean "templates.wikimedia.org"? [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 14:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
:::@[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|1234qwer1234qwer4]]: Yes. It is a typo. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|<span style="color: #43b0ef;">NGC 54</span><sub>]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|<span style="color: #7cb8f4;">talk</span><sub>]] / [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|<span style="color: #7cb8f4;">contribs</span><sub>]]) 14:05, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
*{{support}} helpful for smaller wikis.--[[User:Kitabc12345|Kitabc12345]] ([[User talk:Kitabc12345|talk]]) 05:44, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
* {{strong support}} It is like the template version of Commons, right? I believe it'll be very useful especially for small wikis. I'm active in Japanese Wikivoyage; actually, when that wiki was beginning, making templates took time and effort. --<span style="font-family: 'Courier New', 'Consolas', serif">'''[[User:Atmark-chan|Atmark-chan]]''' &lt;<sup>[[User talk:Atmark-chan|T]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contribs/Atmark-chan|C]]</sub>&gt;</span> 15:56, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
* {{support}} This would be useful. [[User:Random Wikimedian|Random Wikimedian]] ([[User talk:Random Wikimedian|talk]]) {{undated|15:47, 25 February 2021}}
* {{Support}} Cross-wiki templates will be very convenient. [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 14:03, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
* {{Strong support}} Will be useful for small wikis-[[User:Matttest|Matttest]] ([[User talk:Matttest|talk]]) 03:33, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
* {{Strong support}} Way better alternative to crosswiki templates. Will be really useful for many wikis (including non-Wikimedia ones). --[[User:YavBav09|YavBav09]] ([[User talk:YavBav09|talk]]) 17:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
* {{Strong support}} [[User:Netgo123|Netgo123]] ([[User talk:Netgo123|talk]]) 05:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
*{{support}}--[[User:Shizhao|Shizhao]] ([[User talk:Shizhao|talk]]) 03:10, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
* {{Strong support}} Redoing the same tedious and often difficult technical work hundreds of times is madness. Many wikis don't have enough technical contributors and their users (both editors and readers) suffer due to bad templates. An example: until I fixed them a couple years ago, the Spanish Wikipedia had completely unresponsive and unfriendly notices that for many years looked plain broken on mobile devices for millions of users. [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 20:02, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
*{{strong support|The world's most strongly support}}, do we need to write any wikis without any templates? --[[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 03:45, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
* {{support}} - I think it's a good idea, especially with the new wiki. By centralizing templates, even on wikis where no one is familiar with templates, user can just translate the templates and use them. this is a very good idea.--<span style="background: linear-gradient(0.25turn, #ff4500 0%, #ff8c00 50%, #ffa500 100%);">[[User:Syunsyunminmin|<span style="color: #FFFFFF;">Syunsyunminmin</span>]]</span> [[User_talk:Syunsyunminmin|🗨️talk]] 16:04, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
* {{strong support}} Very good idea to centralise templates! [[User:Matr1x-101|Matr1x-101]] ([[User talk:Matr1x-101|talk]]) 18:03, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
* {{Support}} and recommend that requests for new projects be looked at *someone* this year. We haven't had a new project created in 10 years, and that's concerning. [[User:EpicPupper|EpicPupper]] ([[User talk:EpicPupper|talk]]) 18:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
* {{strong support}} Wow! That would be very good a separate wiki for templates, Let's see. [[User:YIEWI|<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#f207cb"> YIEWI</b>]]  <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">[[User talk:YIEWI|<span style="color:#FFF">'''talk'''</span>]]</span> 20:18, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
* {{Strong support}} I LOVE This idea! [[User:Smug uwu|Smug uwu]] ([[User talk:Smug uwu|talk]]) 03:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
* {{Strong support}} I think it will be useful project like Commons and Wikidata --[[User:Butko|Butko]] ([[User talk:Butko|talk]]) 13:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
* {{Support}} '''conditionally''': I think that this is a good idea, as long as all of our wikis [[mw:Extension:Scribunto|support Lua]], and that the templates can be easily translated into other languages.
:I think that this wiki would also benefit from more extensive template documentation --<span style="border-radius:9q;padding:0 7q;background:#444">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#0CE">Quick</span><span style="color:#F45">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup> 19:48, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
* {{Support}} --<font face="Trebuchet MS"><b>[[User:V0lkanic|<span style="color:#32CD32">V0lkanic</span>]] [[User_talk:V0lkanic|<span style="color:#0000FF">(talk)</span>]]</b></font> 22:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
* {{за}} '''conditionally'''  Really good idea. I as sysop in ruWB and ruWV exported a lot of templates from ruWP, enWB and enWV. So, it will be good idea in case of "wiki standardisation"<br>However, as mentioned before.<br>All templates must be "clear" to understand: there were coded so many templates as a base for other templates in wikis, so, it will be important to make it good.<br>Another point: what is about wikifunctions? May be all this ideas can be implemented there making code and templates global for all wikis? <span style="font-family:TimesNewRoman;">[[User:Kylaix|'''''Kylain Aixter''''' ]] ([[User talk:Kylaix|СО]]) </span> 15:08, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

== People opposed ==
# {{oppose}} for the reasons I explained at [[mw:Global templates/Discuss/oppose]]; I fundamentally believe that the templates each wiki uses should be customized for that wiki, not bloated with inapplicable code. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun</sub>]] 23:04, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
#: I agree this is true for some templates, but I think other templates would be useful if they could be accessed globally. <span style="display:inline-block;text-align:center;vertical-align:bottom;line-height:0.5em;">~~<nowiki/>~~<br/><span style="font-size:0.7em;">[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|talk]])</span></span> 23:11, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
#:: And I fear that the result of this proposal, in the unlikely event it gets adopted (since [[Proposals for new projects]] seems to be entirely non-operational right now) is that templates that should be customized for each wiki will not be. I've already seen this happen many times via manual cut-and-paste, and doing it by default only makes things worse. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun</sub>]] 23:19, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
#::: "doing it by default" will prevent cut-and-pastes, which will make it easier to see what templates still need to be customised. <span style="display:inline-block;text-align:center;vertical-align:bottom;line-height:0.5em;">~~<nowiki/>~~<br/><span style="font-size:0.7em;">[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|talk]])</span></span> 08:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} for the same reasons. For example, most templates from Wikipedia don't work on Wikiversity because Wikiversity did not install Lua yet. --[[User:Hérisson grognon|Hérisson grognon]] ([[User talk:Hérisson grognon|talk]]) 13:51, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
#: [[v:Special:AllPages/Module:|really?]] [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun</sub>]] 17:34, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

== People other ==

* '''Conditional support''' Only if we can still use local templates. I think this should ''only'' be used for simple shared templates and not more specific (or local) ones (e.g. Uw-vandalism1 or Delete). I generally agree with {{u|Pppery}}, but I think very simple templates such as {{Tl|green}} or {{Tl|Tl}} should be global, while still having local options (of course). If my conditions are not met, then '''Strong Oppose'''. – [[User:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] ([[User talk:Ilovemydoodle|talk]]) 20:45, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] Rest assured, this project won't replace local templates, it will just add the possibility to use global ones. [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 21:26, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
*: This should be comparable to Commons (probably at a smaller scale): files can be uploaded both globally and locally, with a local file overriding the global one if it exists. <span style="display:inline-block;text-align:center;vertical-align:bottom;line-height:0.5em;">~~<nowiki/>~~<br/><span style="font-size:0.7em;">[[User:1234qwer1234qwer4]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|talk]])</span></span> 22:49, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
*::{{ping|1234qwer1234qwer4|Sophivorus}} What if a global and local template have the same name? On Commons, the file can just be moved, but given templates usually have much shorter (and standardized) names, how would they be differentiated? – [[User:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] ([[User talk:Ilovemydoodle|talk]]) 00:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
*:::@[[User:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] Given the way [https://wikitemplates.org/ wikitemplates.org] currently works, if a wiki has a local template called Edit, and wants to use the global template called Edit, they can:
*:::* Create a new local template with a new name (e.g. Template:Edit2) and call the global template from there
*:::* Edit the local template and replace it for a call to the global template, preserving the local parameter names to avoid breaking stuff
*:::The system should be much clearer if you check the [https://wikitemplates.org Wikitemplates home page], the [https://wikitemplates.org/wiki/Template:Edit sample global template] and the [https://wikivideos.org/wiki/Template:Edit sample local template]. I put quite a bit of time and love into the documentation, considering it's only a couple days old. Cheers! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 03:24, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
*::::{{ping|Sophivorus}} I ''really'' don’t like the idea of having to change local template names just because of a global change. If this is required I will change to oppose. I propose a different solution: If a global template exists with the same name as a local one, the local one will take priority, to access the global one, you would use <code><nowiki>{{global:template}}</nowiki></code>. Thoughts? – [[User:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] ([[User talk:Ilovemydoodle|talk]]) 03:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
*:::::@[[User:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] I never said anything about changing local template names. This is not required at all. And what you're suggesting seems to be exactly the way the system works, except that with the prefix being "raw:Wikitemplate:" rather than "global:". [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 03:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
*::::::{{ping|Sophivorus}} Could we change it to "global" as it is much more intuitive and less bulky? – [[User:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] ([[User talk:Ilovemydoodle|talk]]) 03:54, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
*:::::::Also, is it guaranteed that local templates will take priority? – [[User:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] ([[User talk:Ilovemydoodle|talk]]) 03:57, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
*::::::::@[[User:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] Yes it's guaranteed. If you read the Wikitemplates home page you will understand. As to the prefix, unfortunately we can't change it (at least not at this stage). The "raw:" part comes from the way the [[mw:Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding|scary transcluding]] works, so it'd need to be changed from core and that's not about to happen. As to the "Wikitemplate:" part, we could change that for "Global:" but I think "raw:Global:" is no better than "raw:Wikitemplate:" (considering the project is called Wikitemplates). I'm going to sleep now and got a rough weekend so I may not reply until Monday. If you want to understand more, I strongly suggest you register at wikitemplates.org and wikivideos.org to experiment, cheers! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 04:06, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
*:::::::::{{ping|Sophivorus}} Thank you for the kind and helpful answer! {{smiley}} I will register soon. – [[User:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] ([[User talk:Ilovemydoodle|talk]]) 04:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
*Couldn’t Wikifunctions handle this, or take it on board as a sub-project? --[[User:Dronebogus|Dronebogus]] ([[User talk:Dronebogus|talk]]) 06:30, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
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