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Change to translatewiki.net/Miraheze-Meta page translation target languages

Currently, the page translation target language configuration on mediawiki.org were inherited from the "language converter page translation model".

However, this actually created several problems including the broken page transclutions with malfunctioned language converter tags exposed and using the workaround of Template:Conversion-zh, Template:LC zh. More breakages could be found on phab:T328838.

I would like to propose to use the "translatewiki.net page translation model"/"Miraheze Meta page translation model" instead on mediawiki.org after the related proposal had been discussed, supported and approved and changes had been done on Wikifunctions.

Below are examples of the proposed translation model.

• https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Template%3AMain+page&action=page&language=zh-hans&filter=
• https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Template%3AMain+page&action=page&language=zh-hant&filter=
• https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Template%3AMain+page&action=page&language=zh-hk&filter=
• https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Project%3AAbout&action=page&language=zh-hans&filter=
• https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Project%3AAbout&action=page&language=zh-hant&filter=
• https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Project%3AAbout&action=page&language=zh-hk&filter=
• https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Miraheze+Meta&action=page&language=zh-hans&filter=
• https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Miraheze+Meta&action=page&language=zh-hant&filter=
• https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Miraheze+Meta&action=page&language=zh-hk&filter=

More briefly for the zh part: The old configuration can only translate into zh while the new configuration can translate into zh-hans (for zh-Hans-CN, zh-Hans-MY, zh-Hans-SG), zh-hant (for zh-Hant-TW) and zh-hk (for zh-Hant-HK, zh-Hant-MO).

Note: "translatewiki.net page translation model"/"Miraheze Meta page translation model" refer to the same translation model.

-- Winston Sung (talk) 08:02, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Pinging @Aaron Liu @Anterdc99 @AromaTake @Cookai1205 @Diskdance @Lakejason0 @LowensteinYang @MilkyDefer @SolidBlock @Stang @Xiplus @魔琴 -- Winston Sung (talk) 15:02, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

I've added my comments on the associated Phabricator task you linked, which is basically about doing the same thing on every multilingual wiki. TL;DR: I'm opposed because as it currently stands, this proposal would quadruple the work of translators. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:18, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

I'd say rather than doing this, we sort of finding a way to actually implement the NoteTA (manual conversion RULES, so not quadrupling the work but actively using the LC model) for content page. -- Lakejason0 (talk) 17:03, 2 August 2025 (UTC)(edited at 17:05, 2 August 2025 (UTC))

Without using /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk, we have to pass the language tag every time using message bundle messages.

-- Wrapping all of them under /zh using {{LC zh|, without using /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk
tmb.new( mb_page_title, lang_tag ):t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()

-- Using separated /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk, we no longer need to pass the language tag :params( lang_tag ) every time
tmb.new( mb_page_title, lang_tag ):t( message_key ):plain()

With this change, every Lua module using translation bundles can be simplified:

- :t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()
+ :t( message_key ):plain()

Without this change, every Lua module using translation bundles need to:

- :t( message_key ):plain()
+ :t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()

-- Winston Sung (talk) 04:44, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

This is a problem, but more one for something like T196501 or something else that allows for fetching the current page variant under Lua. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:33, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Even if T196501 is solved, you still have no way to either get the requested language tag or pass the lang_tag parameter because we are currently using $1 instead of {{{lang|}}}, which make the message bundle messages to be something different like {{{lang|$1}}}. -- Winston Sung (talk) 08:41, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

I don't think I understand. As long as lang is set to the needed value somewhere, it should work if we can get all the parent frames, even if it is input by the parser. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:42, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

There might be some misunderstandings.

You can only get "template arguments" like {{{1|}}} after T196501 being solved so we no longer need to write {{LC zh|lang = {{{lang|}}}|

However, "system message arguments"/"interface message arguments" like $1 are never something can be get from frame:getParent().args without either creating new methods to the frame object or still writing {{LC zh|lang = $1| in Wikitext.

:t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ) use the "system message argument API" instead of "template argument API".

-- Winston Sung (talk) 13:06, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Future timestamp to prevent automatic archive to unresolved discusstion topic. -- Winston Sung (talk) 00:00, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

Report concerning user ~2025-28949-94

• ~2025-28949-94 (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: I thought I'd mention that this person or bot's latest edits in Project:Language policy/gl have a 90% probability of being automated as they are so poor, but there's no "Undo" button to easily delete them so do with this information as you will. Tactica (talk) 01:40, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

I've deleted the translation units they created. There are some modifications in existing units that, looking more closely, seem to be better (but mind you I don't know Galician language, only because it's close to Spanish). You may want to take a look at those. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 18:03, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

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• ((Uw-uhblock)) --Username violation, hard block-- (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Vandalism. Long-term abuse XReport --NDG (talk) 16:58, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

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Done --Clump (talk) 11:05, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Help us decide the name of the new Abstract Wikipedia project

Hello. Please help pick a name for the new Abstract Wikipedia wiki project. This project will be a wiki that will enable users to combine functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata in order to generate natural language sentences in any supported languages. These sentences can then be used by any Wikipedia (or elsewhere).

There will be two rounds of voting, each followed by legal review of candidates, with votes beginning on 20 October and 17 November 2025. Our goal is to have a final project name selected on mid-December 2025. If you would like to participate, then please learn more and vote now at meta-wiki. Thank you!

-- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 11:42, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Duplicate IDs in MediaWiki

What I can say here is that I'm seeing Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids having so many lists. Mostly from other languages that use Translate extension. I'm not sure if somebody has already filed out this track on Phabricator.

The id attributes in other language pages are just making them same while English one doesn't (it starts with "sectionname_number"). I hope this issue gets fixed. —Baris6161TURK (talk) 21:29, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

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• Beerftwweb (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Spam-only XReport --NDG (talk) 21:32, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

I added a MediaWiki site to the list of Sites_using_MediaWiki which is permitted, thus it isn't spam Beerftwweb (talk) 21:54, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Indeed, it looks currently limited/nascent, but not spam. --Clump (talk) 11:13, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Thank you.

Are you able to revert the rollback? I don't want to get into an edit war myself by re-applying the same change. Beerftwweb (talk) 11:23, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

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Hide edit summary

Please hide [1]. Thanks. Henrydat (talk) 13:56, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Done --Clump (talk) 14:01, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks again. Henrydat (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Also for others [2], [3], [4], [5]. Henrydat (talk) 01:22, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Done --Clump (talk) 10:57, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

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• Kyryll Chudomirovich Flins (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Please delete the two pages created by this user as per NOTWEBHOST. XReport --NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 21:15, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Done, thanks! Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 22:59, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

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• ~2025-29748-19 (talk • local contribs • global contribs • logs • rights • global account) — Reasons: Bad translations XReport --Plutus (talk) 08:17, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

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Done --Clump (talk) 12:00, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Sitenotice

Currently, the floated image is taking the page title's place, causing it to be shifted to the right (Legacy Vector). Please add {{clear}}. Thanks. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 13:34, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

I tried {{clear}} and adding

clear:both;

to the div, but it seems not to have any effect. —Mainframe98 _talk 18:35, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

@Mainframe98: {{clear}} needs to be placed right before ‎</div>. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 20:50, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

There's a more elegant solution: Add overflow: hidden; to the style element of the div. It makes the div grow to contain all floating elements. Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 21:02, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

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Applications for the committees open on October 30, 2025. Applications for the Affiliations Committee, Ombuds commission and the Case Review Committee close on December 11, 2025. Learn how to apply by visiting the appointment page on Meta-wiki. Post to the talk page or email cstwikimedia.org with any questions you may have.

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Done Hide on Rosé (talk) 12:46, 1 November 2025 (UTC)