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MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group/TechConf Input/Open questions

2025-03-23T22:21:57Z

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== Roadmap for universal templates ==

A ''roadmap'' of progress intended for bundling templates with Mediawiki or whatever solves the lack of templates issue.

[[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 08:51, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

=== Endorsements ===
* [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 01:22, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
* [[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 17:22, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

=== Comments ===
You would need to figure out what people are using Wikipedia templates and/or templates on other sites. A person wanting to use mediawiki to create an interoffice wiki would have different needs than a person who intended to create courses with mediawiki. [[User:Zzmonty|Zzmonty]] ([[User talk:Zzmonty|talk]]) 15:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

:182.232.218.89 [[Special:Contributions/182.232.218.89|182.232.218.89]] 22:21, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't understand this request... if I set up a separate wiki it could contain ''anything'', so what would be the types of templates that would make sense to include in a "universal" version? I am not shooting this down, just trying to understand - maybe I am missing something about how I could be using templates. [[User:Tenbergen|Tenbergen]] ([[User talk:Tenbergen|talk]]) 15:15, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I am just saying that MediaWiki should look at how administrators are using MediaWiki, and what extensions / templates / modules they are including. Tenbergen, you may be right in that there might no difference in the templates to include. On the other hand, there might be a difference. For example, a person plans on no language other than English is going to have different basic needs than somebody who plans to include other languages. Do you need RTL support or asian language support? Poem is a standard function. If an administrator never plans to write poetry, there is an unneeded extension / template. Does an administrator for a business need the cute icon templates, while a person doing a fun wiki might want those templates. The same is true if a person plans to have a community of editors vs. a single editor or a small group of editors. I am thinking of the user boxes, WikiProjects, etc. [[User:Zzmonty|Zzmonty]] ([[User talk:Zzmonty|talk]]) 18:30, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group/TechConf Input/Open questions

2025-03-23T22:20:21Z

182.232.218.89: /* Comments */ Reply

== Roadmap for universal templates ==

A ''roadmap'' of progress intended for bundling templates with Mediawiki or whatever solves the lack of templates issue.

[[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 08:51, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

:<nowiki>https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/TechConf_Input/Open_questions/to</nowiki> get together with my mom and my phone number all update on my way back home to siriphon Ruprasert all update the money back on the way to get together with my account and my family and my password is open to siriphon the day please let her be done with the application and password for me and my phone number is on the money back to application to be over with siriphon Ruprasert all update on my way back home @[[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] [[Special:Contributions/182.232.218.89|182.232.218.89]] 22:17, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

=== Endorsements ===
* [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 01:22, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
*:Lixinyu970226 [[Special:Contributions/182.232.218.89|182.232.218.89]] 22:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
* [[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 17:22, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
*:Rob Kam [[Special:Contributions/182.232.218.89|182.232.218.89]] 22:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

=== Comments ===
You would need to figure out what people are using Wikipedia templates and/or templates on other sites. A person wanting to use mediawiki to create an interoffice wiki would have different needs than a person who intended to create courses with mediawiki. [[User:Zzmonty|Zzmonty]] ([[User talk:Zzmonty|talk]]) 15:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

:Zzmonty [[Special:Contributions/182.232.218.89|182.232.218.89]] 22:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't understand this request... if I set up a separate wiki it could contain ''anything'', so what would be the types of templates that would make sense to include in a "universal" version? I am not shooting this down, just trying to understand - maybe I am missing something about how I could be using templates. [[User:Tenbergen|Tenbergen]] ([[User talk:Tenbergen|talk]]) 15:15, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I am just saying that MediaWiki should look at how administrators are using MediaWiki, and what extensions / templates / modules they are including. Tenbergen, you may be right in that there might no difference in the templates to include. On the other hand, there might be a difference. For example, a person plans on no language other than English is going to have different basic needs than somebody who plans to include other languages. Do you need RTL support or asian language support? Poem is a standard function. If an administrator never plans to write poetry, there is an unneeded extension / template. Does an administrator for a business need the cute icon templates, while a person doing a fun wiki might want those templates. The same is true if a person plans to have a community of editors vs. a single editor or a small group of editors. I am thinking of the user boxes, WikiProjects, etc. [[User:Zzmonty|Zzmonty]] ([[User talk:Zzmonty|talk]]) 18:30, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group/TechConf Input/Open questions

2025-03-23T22:19:37Z

182.232.218.89: /* Endorsements */ Reply

== Roadmap for universal templates ==

A ''roadmap'' of progress intended for bundling templates with Mediawiki or whatever solves the lack of templates issue.

[[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 08:51, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

:<nowiki>https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/TechConf_Input/Open_questions/to</nowiki> get together with my mom and my phone number all update on my way back home to siriphon Ruprasert all update the money back on the way to get together with my account and my family and my password is open to siriphon the day please let her be done with the application and password for me and my phone number is on the money back to application to be over with siriphon Ruprasert all update on my way back home @[[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] [[Special:Contributions/182.232.218.89|182.232.218.89]] 22:17, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

=== Endorsements ===
* [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 01:22, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
*:Lixinyu970226 [[Special:Contributions/182.232.218.89|182.232.218.89]] 22:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
* [[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 17:22, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
*:Rob Kam [[Special:Contributions/182.232.218.89|182.232.218.89]] 22:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

=== Comments ===
You would need to figure out what people are using Wikipedia templates and/or templates on other sites. A person wanting to use mediawiki to create an interoffice wiki would have different needs than a person who intended to create courses with mediawiki. [[User:Zzmonty|Zzmonty]] ([[User talk:Zzmonty|talk]]) 15:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand this request... if I set up a separate wiki it could contain ''anything'', so what would be the types of templates that would make sense to include in a "universal" version? I am not shooting this down, just trying to understand - maybe I am missing something about how I could be using templates. [[User:Tenbergen|Tenbergen]] ([[User talk:Tenbergen|talk]]) 15:15, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I am just saying that MediaWiki should look at how administrators are using MediaWiki, and what extensions / templates / modules they are including. Tenbergen, you may be right in that there might no difference in the templates to include. On the other hand, there might be a difference. For example, a person plans on no language other than English is going to have different basic needs than somebody who plans to include other languages. Do you need RTL support or asian language support? Poem is a standard function. If an administrator never plans to write poetry, there is an unneeded extension / template. Does an administrator for a business need the cute icon templates, while a person doing a fun wiki might want those templates. The same is true if a person plans to have a community of editors vs. a single editor or a small group of editors. I am thinking of the user boxes, WikiProjects, etc. [[User:Zzmonty|Zzmonty]] ([[User talk:Zzmonty|talk]]) 18:30, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group/TechConf Input/Open questions

2025-03-23T22:19:02Z

182.232.218.89: /* Endorsements */ Reply

== Roadmap for universal templates ==

A ''roadmap'' of progress intended for bundling templates with Mediawiki or whatever solves the lack of templates issue.

[[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 08:51, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

:<nowiki>https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/TechConf_Input/Open_questions/to</nowiki> get together with my mom and my phone number all update on my way back home to siriphon Ruprasert all update the money back on the way to get together with my account and my family and my password is open to siriphon the day please let her be done with the application and password for me and my phone number is on the money back to application to be over with siriphon Ruprasert all update on my way back home @[[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] [[Special:Contributions/182.232.218.89|182.232.218.89]] 22:17, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

=== Endorsements ===
* [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 01:22, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
*:Lixinyu970226 [[Special:Contributions/182.232.218.89|182.232.218.89]] 22:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
* [[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 17:22, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

=== Comments ===
You would need to figure out what people are using Wikipedia templates and/or templates on other sites. A person wanting to use mediawiki to create an interoffice wiki would have different needs than a person who intended to create courses with mediawiki. [[User:Zzmonty|Zzmonty]] ([[User talk:Zzmonty|talk]]) 15:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand this request... if I set up a separate wiki it could contain ''anything'', so what would be the types of templates that would make sense to include in a "universal" version? I am not shooting this down, just trying to understand - maybe I am missing something about how I could be using templates. [[User:Tenbergen|Tenbergen]] ([[User talk:Tenbergen|talk]]) 15:15, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I am just saying that MediaWiki should look at how administrators are using MediaWiki, and what extensions / templates / modules they are including. Tenbergen, you may be right in that there might no difference in the templates to include. On the other hand, there might be a difference. For example, a person plans on no language other than English is going to have different basic needs than somebody who plans to include other languages. Do you need RTL support or asian language support? Poem is a standard function. If an administrator never plans to write poetry, there is an unneeded extension / template. Does an administrator for a business need the cute icon templates, while a person doing a fun wiki might want those templates. The same is true if a person plans to have a community of editors vs. a single editor or a small group of editors. I am thinking of the user boxes, WikiProjects, etc. [[User:Zzmonty|Zzmonty]] ([[User talk:Zzmonty|talk]]) 18:30, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group/TechConf Input/Open questions

2025-03-23T22:17:49Z

182.232.218.89: /* Roadmap for universal templates */ Reply

== Roadmap for universal templates ==

A ''roadmap'' of progress intended for bundling templates with Mediawiki or whatever solves the lack of templates issue.

[[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 08:51, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

:<nowiki>https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/TechConf_Input/Open_questions/to</nowiki> get together with my mom and my phone number all update on my way back home to siriphon Ruprasert all update the money back on the way to get together with my account and my family and my password is open to siriphon the day please let her be done with the application and password for me and my phone number is on the money back to application to be over with siriphon Ruprasert all update on my way back home @[[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] [[Special:Contributions/182.232.218.89|182.232.218.89]] 22:17, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

=== Endorsements ===
* [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 01:22, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
* [[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 17:22, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

=== Comments ===
You would need to figure out what people are using Wikipedia templates and/or templates on other sites. A person wanting to use mediawiki to create an interoffice wiki would have different needs than a person who intended to create courses with mediawiki. [[User:Zzmonty|Zzmonty]] ([[User talk:Zzmonty|talk]]) 15:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand this request... if I set up a separate wiki it could contain ''anything'', so what would be the types of templates that would make sense to include in a "universal" version? I am not shooting this down, just trying to understand - maybe I am missing something about how I could be using templates. [[User:Tenbergen|Tenbergen]] ([[User talk:Tenbergen|talk]]) 15:15, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I am just saying that MediaWiki should look at how administrators are using MediaWiki, and what extensions / templates / modules they are including. Tenbergen, you may be right in that there might no difference in the templates to include. On the other hand, there might be a difference. For example, a person plans on no language other than English is going to have different basic needs than somebody who plans to include other languages. Do you need RTL support or asian language support? Poem is a standard function. If an administrator never plans to write poetry, there is an unneeded extension / template. Does an administrator for a business need the cute icon templates, while a person doing a fun wiki might want those templates. The same is true if a person plans to have a community of editors vs. a single editor or a small group of editors. I am thinking of the user boxes, WikiProjects, etc. [[User:Zzmonty|Zzmonty]] ([[User talk:Zzmonty|talk]]) 18:30, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Translations:Sites using MediaWiki/Wikimedia/Page display title/zh

2024-10-27T07:57:09Z

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使用MediaWiki的网站

Structured Discussions/Sandbox/Flow export

2024-05-02T10:46:43Z

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herrheeh [[Special:Contributions/82.75.37.13|82.75.37.13]] ([[User talk:82.75.37.13|talk]]) 10:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Visserie envisagée non standard ==
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:Je viens de m’apercevoir que la visserie qu'on avait envisagée n'existe pas en standard/ Je pensais prendre du M6 mais ce boulon demande une longueur de vis de 82 mini. Le problème alors est que la poutre envisagée ne convient plus car écrou trop grands (sauf si on passe à une fixation avec un boulon mais à mon sens, c'est pas recommandé) [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
::cette config de visserie n'intervient qu'en bout de poutre, on peut donc utiliser des vis plus courtes que l'on insère par l'intérieur de la grande poutre. [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:Ok, ça marche finalement. En effet essayons de n'avoir que des pièces standards.
:Une autre solution aurait pu être une tige filetée serrée de chaque côté par un écrou. Je post au cas où ce problème se représenterait à un autre endroit [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Yes yo ==

Napalım simdi deniyoruz işte [[Special:Contributions/176.42.57.185|176.42.57.185]] ([[User talk:176.42.57.185|talk]]) 10:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:oh this looks good! [[Special:Contributions/176.96.154.4|176.96.154.4]] ([[User talk:176.96.154.4|talk]]) 19:46, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:yoyo [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:trial [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:new trial [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:oO [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:^_^ [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:mooh [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
::Good [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
::Why not? [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:Test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
:Yay [[User:Rtyu1120|Rtyu1120]] ([[User talk:Rtyu1120|talk]]) 20:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:Nice [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 14:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== That's so nice. ==

That's better making mediawiki.. [[User:SirMeows|SirMeows]] ([[User talk:SirMeows|talk]]) 16:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
:[[Sources of information|sou]]{{FlowMention|SirMeows}}didier [[Special:Contributions/80.215.210.0|80.215.210.0]] ([[User talk:80.215.210.0|talk]]) 10:23, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

== you sure ==

:asdasd? [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::ngdq!ghukhg [[Special:Contributions/85.140.79.216|85.140.79.216]] ([[User talk:85.140.79.216|talk]]) 13:07, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
::Nice try [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:13, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:nope [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:hhh [[Special:Contributions/83.11.11.75|83.11.11.75]] ([[User talk:83.11.11.75|talk]]) 16:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
:ав [[Special:Contributions/78.139.120.176|78.139.120.176]] ([[User talk:78.139.120.176|talk]]) 16:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

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== This is pretty awesome!! ==

Lovin' it :P [[Special:Contributions/79.66.162.66|79.66.162.66]] ([[User talk:79.66.162.66|talk]]) 20:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

== Testing out Flow! ==

This is pretty darn cool yo. [[User:OShehata (WMF)|OShehata (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OShehata (WMF)|talk]]) 16:17, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

== whohaa ==

??? [[Special:Contributions/89.245.215.22|89.245.215.22]] ([[User talk:89.245.215.22|talk]]) 14:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

== The Fly ==

Little Fly

Thy summer's play,

My thoughtless hand

Has brush'd away.

Am not I

A fly like thee?

Or art not thou

A man like me?

For I dance

And drink & sing;

Till some blind hand

Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life

And strength & breath;

And the want

Of thought is death;

Then am I

A happy fly,

If I live,

Or if I die. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000]] ([[User talk:2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|talk]]) 14:49, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

== chatbox ==

everyone chat hear [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
:hi [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
:Structured Discussions is following [[Compatibility#Browser support matrix|MediaWiki's software compatibility]]. If your browser is not on the list of the "Grade A" browsers, Structured Discussions may not work for you. In any case, having an up-to-date browser is highly recommended for safety reasons.
:It is possible to use Structured Discussions without JavaScript or on a text-only browser. [[Special:Contributions/194.9.245.19|194.9.245.19]] ([[User talk:194.9.245.19|talk]]) 13:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
:this default plugin? [[Special:Contributions/198.204.74.254|198.204.74.254]] ([[User talk:198.204.74.254|talk]]) 20:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:yes. defaule plugin
:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== hummm testing ==

bla bla blaaaa [[Special:Contributions/176.147.214.24|176.147.214.24]] ([[User talk:176.147.214.24|talk]]) 18:56, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

== Cosa è? Chi lo sa? asd. ==
{{Flow summary|Questa è tecnologia che miagola.}}

bla bla bla :)

{{FlowMention|Valerio Bozzolan}}, {{FlowMention|Yuma}}

{{FlowMention|Windino}} [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:''Ops'' [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:Questa cosa mi fa paura. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:cosa è :) ? [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
::È [[Flow]], una cosa che fa cose, e le fa bene, solo che mi fa paura. asd.
::Naturalmente ho già scritto questo messaggio. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

== deneme ==

asdfg [[User:Haticetekin|Haticetekin]] ([[User talk:Haticetekin|talk]]) 21:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:ghrh [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Lorem ipsum ==

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:{{FlowMention|Yuma}} [[Fewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfwf|fewwwwwwwwwwwww'''wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfw''']] [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Something exciting ==

This is something exciting. [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
:Looks great! [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== my new topic ==

this is a new topic checking if it becomes global [[User:Aabcde1|Aabcde1]] ([[User talk:Aabcde1|talk]]) 02:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

== Wikivoyage ==

Hello, {{FlowMention|LPfi}}, and welcome to Flow.

I like your improvements to [[Wikivoyage:en:Kungsleden|Kungsleden]] at Wikivoyage. I see that the prices are listed in Swedish kroner. It seems like it would attract a lot of non-Swedish travelers. Do you think that the prices should include a conversion to Euros or maybe US dollars? {{FlowMention|Pashley}} or {{FlowMention|Ground Zero}} probably know what the usual policy is; I can't remember it. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 14:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:i heard name mentioned. 😀 We should just post prices in the local currency. Exchange rates for the kroner fluctuate, so putting in other currencies in each article would be adding info that will be out of date quickly. We keep exchange rates on each country's page, e.g. Sweden, in the "Buy" section. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 14:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the reply. That approach makes sense to me. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 03:30, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:صورسيكس [[Special:Contributions/129.45.77.68|129.45.77.68]] ([[User talk:129.45.77.68|talk]]) 01:55, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

== Sanity test ==
{{Flow summary|This is great}}

1

2 [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 22:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/212.88.0.205|212.88.0.205]] ([[User talk:212.88.0.205|talk]]) 15:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
:Testing this [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
::Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|LIVE NIEUWS}} Great! [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:36, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
::Ja [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:38, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

== New topic ==

Test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

== [https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[test]] [[en:test]] ==

test.
[https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== {{!}} {{PAGENAME}} ==
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test {{PAGENAME}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:54, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{-}} test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:33, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== /* Test */ ==

test [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 15:03, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Goodmorning everyone ==
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This a test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:04, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:05, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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== Frage Nummer eins ==
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:Meine Meinung... [[Special:Contributions/188.98.69.56|188.98.69.56]] ([[User talk:188.98.69.56|talk]]) 16:20, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
::sdasdsdsdsd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Why not? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Ask number one. [[Special:Contributions/76.121.184.58|76.121.184.58]] ([[User talk:76.121.184.58|talk]]) 06:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:::test2 [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
::Why? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::test3
:: [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:sdsadsadasd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:sandbox [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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== qasdsasdasd ==

fdsfdsfdsf [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

== asdf ==
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message here [[cnn.com]] [[Special:Contributions/174.45.249.148|174.45.249.148]] ([[User talk:174.45.249.148|talk]]) 23:29, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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== rsaaergea ==
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vfasbresb [[User:MaxSem|Max Semenik]] ([[User talk:MaxSem|talk]]) 18:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
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== Testing whether wikitext is parsed in a notification ==

Hi there, this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:22, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:Er.. except that I forgot to add the link. :P [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Flow/Sandbox|Olá]] essa é a base de conhecimento! (link) ==

This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== Тест {{subst:PAGENAME}} ==
{{Flow summary|😢}}

Тест — тест – тест - тест — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 2 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

== Can you add a point here? ==

posting somethingP [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:I agree with thatI [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== hola from Spain ==

Hola is how Spanish say hello [[Special:Contributions/193.145.201.52|193.145.201.52]] ([[User talk:193.145.201.52|talk]]) 11:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:<nowiki>hola from Spain</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:[[#flow-post-u79uaif6gkujjxuk|test]] [[User:Tubezlob|Tubezlob]] ([[User talk:Tubezlob|talk]]) 15:56, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== ATS_TEST_FLOW_STRUCTURED DISCUSSION ==
{{Flow summary|'''Guerre napoleoniche''' è il termine usato per definire l'insieme delle [[:it:Guerra|guerre]] combattute in [[:it:Europa|Europa]] nel periodo in cui [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] governò la [[:it:Francia|Francia]]. Furono in parte un'estensione delle [[:it:Guerre_rivoluzionarie_francesi|guerre rivoluzionarie]] innescate dalla [[:it:Rivoluzione_francese|rivoluzione francese]] e continuarono durante tutto il [[:it:Primo_Impero_francese|Primo Impero francese]].

Non esiste un consenso unanime nello stabilire quando si possano ritenere concluse le guerre rivoluzionarie francesi e cominciate quelle riconducibili a Napoleone Bonaparte. Una data possibile di inizio di queste ultime è il 9 novembre [[:it:1799|1799]], giorno in cui Bonaparte salì al potere in Francia con il [[:it:Colpo_di_Stato_del_18_brumaio|colpo di Stato del 18 brumaio]]. La data di inizio usata più comunemente è il 18 maggio [[:it:1803|1803]], in occasione della rinnovata dichiarazione di guerra tra [[:it:Gran_Bretagna|Gran Bretagna]] e Francia, dopo le reciproche accuse di violazione degli accordi sanciti con il [[:it:Trattato_di_Amiens_(1802)|trattato di Amiens]], evento che pose termine all'unico periodo di pace generalizzata in Europa tra il 1792 e il 1814. Un'ultima data di inizio proposta è il 2 dicembre [[:it:1804|1804]], giorno nel quale Napoleone si incoronò imperatore. Le guerre napoleoniche ebbero termine dopo la disfatta finale di Napoleone nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Waterloo|battaglia di Waterloo]] il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] e il [[:it:Trattato_di_Parigi_(1815)|secondo Trattato di Parigi]].

Il periodo che va dal 20 aprile del [[:it:1792|1792]] al 20 novembre [[:it:1815|1815]] viene anche indicato con il termine di "[[:it:Grande_guerra_francese|grande guerra francese]]"}}

La '''battaglia di Lipsia''' (16-19 ottobre, [[:it:1813|1813]]), conosciuta anche come la '''battaglia delle nazioni''' (''Völkerschlacht bei Leipzig'' in [[:it:Lingua_tedesca|tedesco]]), fu lo scontro più grande, in termini di forze impegnate e di perdite subite dalle due parti, verificatosi durante le [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]] e una delle sconfitte decisive subite da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]]. Determinò la disfatta francese nella campagna di [[:it:Germania|Germania]], costrinse l'imperatore ad una difficile ritirata fino in [[:it:Francia|Francia]] e provocò il crollo definitivo del sistema di alleanze organizzato da Napoleone in [[:it:Europa|Europa]]. La battaglia, combattuta con grande accanimento dalle due parti, vide per la prima volta la partecipazione contemporanea sul campo della massa degli eserciti delle potenze europee continentali anti-francesi ([[:it:Russia|Russia]], [[:it:Prussia|Prussia]], [[:it:Austria|Austria]] e [[:it:Svezia|Svezia]]) ed il suo esito venne determinato soprattutto dalla netta superiorità numerica dei coalizzati. [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:La '''battaglia di Waterloo''' (denominata inizialmente dai francesi '''battaglia di Mont Saint-Jean''' e dai prussiani '''battaglia di Belle-Alliance''') si svolse il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] durante la guerra della [[:it:Settima_coalizione|Settima coalizione]] fra le truppe francesi guidate da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] e gli eserciti britannici del [[:it:Arthur_Wellesley,_I_duca_di_Wellington|Duca di Wellington]] e prussiano del [[:it:Feldmaresciallo|feldmaresciallo]] [[:it:Gebhard_Leberecht_von_Blücher|Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher]]. Fu una delle più combattute e sanguinose battaglie delle [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]], nonché l'ultima battaglia di Napoleone, segnando la sua definitiva sconfitta e il conseguente [[:it:Esilio|esilio]] a [[:it:Sant'Elena_(isola)|Sant'Elena]]. La battaglia in realtà ebbe luogo nel territorio del villaggio di [[:it:Mont-Saint-Jean_(Belgio)|Mont-Saint-Jean]], situato alcuni chilometri a sud della cittadina di [[:it:Waterloo|Waterloo]], nella quale si trovava il quartier generale del Duca di Wellington.
:Dopo la fuga di Napoleone dall'[[:it:Isola_d'Elba|isola d'Elba]] nel marzo 1815, numerosi Stati europei si unirono in un'alleanza militare dando vita alla settima coalizione, con lo scopo di sconfiggere definitivamente l'imperatore francese. Napoleone decise di attaccare di sorpresa i due eserciti che [[:it:Regno_Unito|Regno Unito]] e [[:it:Regno_di_Prussia|Prussia]] avevano raggruppato in [[:it:Belgio|Belgio]]; l'imperatore sperava di raggiungere una rapida vittoria sfruttando la scarsa coesione dei suoi avversari.
:Due giorni prima di Waterloo i francesi avevano sconfitto i prussiani nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Ligny|battaglia di Ligny]], ma Wellington, informato che Blücher era riuscito a riorganizzare il suo esercito e sembrava intenzionato a marciare in suo aiuto, prese la decisione di rischiare una battaglia contro le forze di Napoleone. Il generale britannico schierò i suoi uomini in difesa lungo la scarpata di Mont-Saint-Jean, vicino alla strada per [[:it:Bruxelles|Bruxelles]], confidando nell'aiuto dei prussiani. Napoleone sferrò una serie di sanguinosi attacchi contro le linee britanniche a partire dalle ore 11:30 e nel tardo pomeriggio sembrò vicino alla vittoria, ma l'ostinata resistenza del nemico e l'arrivo in massa dei prussiani decisero alla fine la battaglia a favore dei coalizzati.
:Ancora oggi nei pressi di Waterloo è ricordata la grande battaglia con una serie di monumenti, ed esiste un museo dedicato al famoso scontro. L'intera zona è un parco storico. [[Special:Contributions/217.115.65.7|217.115.65.7]] ([[User talk:217.115.65.7|talk]]) 15:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:Oscar [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:26, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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:due ancor [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== Trying out stuffs ==

Does it allow for notifications? [[Special:Contributions/106.51.23.82|106.51.23.82]] ([[User talk:106.51.23.82|talk]]) 06:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

== Tryin' Stuffs ==
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Was wondering if I it would be possible to link topics!

[[Topic:U3fyg4mylxms8p1f]] [[Special:Contributions/103.48.91.164|103.48.91.164]] ([[User talk:103.48.91.164|talk]]) 12:07, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
:sadads [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406]] ([[User talk:2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|talk]]) 19:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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== NWE ==
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2017 NWE ! '''Bold''' ''Italic'' [[Main]] [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 16:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:everysite {{FlowMention|Zixuan75}} Zixuan 01:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
:tegel [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:31, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Neues Topik ==
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:{{FlowMention|Lorentz21}} kann ganz toll Fett und Kursiv und Hyperverknüpfungen [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:::- [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
::↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:43, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
::←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←← [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:E.T. nach Hause telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:telefonieren telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/115.164.205.141|115.164.205.141]] ([[User talk:115.164.205.141|talk]]) 07:50, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:Test
:Test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
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== Test ==

hello what [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== test test ==

test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:58, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
:test
:test
:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== are you kidding me? ==
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no [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 11:22, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
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== How many ppl should learn cpr ==

How many ppl should learn cpr ?

With all these school shootings /[https://northeastcprclass.com/]{{FlowMention|Northeast cpr class}} [[User:Northeast cpr class|Northeast cpr class]] ([[User talk:Northeast cpr class|talk]]) 17:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== jipva ==

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[[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

== T193351 ==
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** child bullet point [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 22:40, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Is this feature convenient and easy to use (even for old editors)? ==

Let me try this feature.

Would old editors consent to adopt this feature to my homewiki, i wonder... [[User:Miya|miya]] ([[User talk:Miya|talk]]) 01:44, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
:Hey! Happy to see you testing. If you have any question, please ask. :) [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 09:13, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

== test ==
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:test [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
::reply(2) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
:reply(1) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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== ASI ES Q SE GOBIERNA XD ==
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AS [[Special:Contributions/186.24.37.129|186.24.37.129]] ([[User talk:186.24.37.129|talk]]) 18:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
::zzz [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
:test reply [[User:Ephemeralwaves|Ephemeralwaves]] ([[User talk:Ephemeralwaves|talk]]) 20:34, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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== Nyt emne 2 ==

:Her er tekst til et nyt emne [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::A reply. [[Special:Contributions/86.16.88.183|86.16.88.183]] ([[User talk:86.16.88.183|talk]]) 17:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:Her er et svar [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:Og et svar til svaret [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::afdadf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::faaaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:2 year ago [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== Driftsbesked Test ==
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Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:faf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::999 [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::888
:: [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:::qqq [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::afaff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:afafaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Driftsbesked 2.2 ==
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:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:42, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::what [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:nu er det løst [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:This is how it is when you reply. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Test ==

:{{subst:null}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 23:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
::ok [[Special:Contributions/94.230.144.37|94.230.144.37]] ([[User talk:94.230.144.37|talk]]) 22:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
:::adff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::Ano, ok! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::aaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:You need to [[Help:Structured Discussions/Quick tour#basics|go through wikitext input]] to ''subst'' a template. Visual mode is not supporting it. [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
:Zkouška! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:50, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

== change title ==
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:teste [[User:Rafa002|Rafa002]] ([[User talk:Rafa002|talk]]) 22:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
::yyy [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:aaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Test topic ==
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:Test reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
::Test reply to the reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:Second message [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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== My new topic ==
{{Flow summary|Tassanee14@sai.net}}

:Reply to my new topic [[User:Yuatcha|Yuatcha]] ([[User talk:Yuatcha|talk]]) 11:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
::why no reply [[Special:Contributions/152.117.97.7|152.117.97.7]] ([[User talk:152.117.97.7|talk]]) 20:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==

:a [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::hmm [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:56, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:dsa [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

This feature is pretty cool. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 06:40, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:{{support}} this is how the template would look. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:12, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:i dont like this tallk page thing [[Special:Contributions/185.229.4.5|185.229.4.5]] ([[User talk:185.229.4.5|talk]]) 13:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
:Testando [[Special:Contributions/200.201.163.73|200.201.163.73]] ([[User talk:200.201.163.73|talk]]) 19:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

== TEST -this is a question i have ==
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this is test text [[Special:Contributions/4.31.159.194|4.31.159.194]] ([[User talk:4.31.159.194|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hi. this is test [[User:Ավետիսյան91|Ավետիսյան91]] ([[User talk:Ավետիսյան91|talk]]) 14:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Hello ==
{{Flow summary|my}}

:Just checking it out [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::WTH ?? [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
::answer to answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
:Hi ! [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hello [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== test ==
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Hello word [[Special:Contributions/89.187.165.139|89.187.165.139]] ([[User talk:89.187.165.139|talk]]) 23:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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== {{subst:PU brouillon}} ==
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{{subst:PU brouillon}} [[User:Kirham|Kirham]] ([[User talk:Kirham|talk]]) 01:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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== My Project summary ==

This is my Project summary

 [[User:Kazo104|Kazo104]] ([[User talk:Kazo104|talk]]) 21:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
:What [[Special:Contributions/2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96]] ([[User talk:2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|talk]]) 13:32, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
:ok boomer [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 14:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
:test [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:TEST [[Special:Contributions/2.30.164.193|2.30.164.193]] ([[User talk:2.30.164.193|talk]]) 22:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

== test topic sandbox ==

:First message [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Reply to second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:First reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:A marginal em nosso ecossistema é importante para o avanço de inovações tecnológicas e transforma a visão de outras possibilidades com atalhos abrindo novos caminhos e melhorando o fluxo planetário. [[Special:Contributions/2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2]] ([[User talk:2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|talk]]) 07:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

== test ==

:hay yaa [[Special:Contributions/93.132.30.210|93.132.30.210]] ([[User talk:93.132.30.210|talk]]) 10:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Me gusta [[Special:Contributions/2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985]] ([[User talk:2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|talk]]) 00:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:( Ref. 2020-04-05 08:51:31 +0900_8ca9bfa0c9f1 )
: [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5]] ([[User talk:2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|talk]]) 04:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

== Digital Hermit ==
{{Flow summary|A.sai.com

Sai.net{{FlowMention|Tassanee14}}}}

Hi IOIUOIU Oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuoiuoiuoiu oiuoiu oiuoiu oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuoiu.

Yiuyiuyiuyiuy ooiuoiuoiu uoiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuo gfgfdgfd . [[Special:Contributions/2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7]] ([[User talk:2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|talk]]) 03:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
:ha ha hah hah hah hahhhh hahahahahahahahah [[Special:Contributions/2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490]] ([[User talk:2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|talk]]) 06:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== {{subst:(}}{subst:test}{{subst:)}} ~~{{subst:(}}{subst:#if:1|}{{subst:)}}~~ ==

{{subst:test}} ~~{{subst:#if:1|}}~~ [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:40, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:<div style="background-color:#FFFFFF; padding: 1.2rem; margin-top: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #c8ccd1; border-top-color:#36C; border-top-width: .4rem; border-radius: .20rem; box-shadow: 2px 2px #F7F8F9;">Thank you for experimenting with MediaWiki.org. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use [[Project:Sandbox|the sandbox]], [[Structured Discussions/Sandbox|Structured Discussions sandbox]] or the [[VisualEditor:Test|VisualEditor test page]] for any other tests you may want to do. If you want to contribute, please read [[Project:About]]. </div> [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{subst:null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:43, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

== Test topic ==

This is a topic [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
:Yep, this makes sense. [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

== Topic of testing ==

Testing [[User:Bedeezy|Bedeezy]] ([[User talk:Bedeezy|talk]]) 02:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

== 1 ==

According to WP the original song “ Born to be Wild” was written and sung by The band Stepenwolf. I don’t think that that’s true. I heard an original song from the late 1950’s. I don’t know the band’s name but all the same I was surprised that they were singing the song “Born to be Wild“. Please check this out thanks CG Osbun. [[User:C.G.Osbun|C.G.Osbun]] ([[User talk:C.G.Osbun|talk]]) 16:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|C.G.Osbun}} This page is a Sandbox on mediawiki.org. Whatever "WP" page you refer to, please bring it up on that WP page. Thanks [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 11:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== سیسیسسیس ==

یسیسیسیس [[Special:Contributions/5.116.60.95|5.116.60.95]] ([[User talk:5.116.60.95|talk]]) 11:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:Ŷŷỳÿýý6yēêèëé3ee [[Special:Contributions/2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0]] ([[User talk:2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|talk]]) 19:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== AbUsE ==

Some persons abuse the sandbook [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Ohhhh its ok [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:I am going to help you :) [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Please, i want help [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:azda [[Special:Contributions/84.192.172.225|84.192.172.225]] ([[User talk:84.192.172.225|talk]]) 17:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "
:[[AbUsE]]" [[Special:Contributions/207.167.28.130|207.167.28.130]] ([[User talk:207.167.28.130|talk]]) 21:49, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
:Uh [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:IEDA ULANM [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
:Ava>او
:ان 》》》》 ov
:<code> انها ovn</code>
:
:<code> این iu </code>
:<code> اینها iuan</code> [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

== Flow test ==
{{Flow summary|Sai.net@a.sai.com}}

:test [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::this is reply.'''굵게''' [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{skin}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{tl|asdf}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:цуцуауцауц [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== NEPRINATE DŽAVE 2020 ==
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NEPRIZNATE DRŽAVE 2020 [[User:Perirrr|Perirrr]] ([[User talk:Perirrr|talk]]) 12:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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== testing... ==
{{Archive top|result=test over|status=resolved}}

testing... [[User:Prahlad balaji|Prahlad balaji]] ([[User talk:Prahlad balaji|talk]]) 16:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== be ==

==h1==

===h2===

===h3=== [[Special:Contributions/79.249.159.6|79.249.159.6]] ([[User talk:79.249.159.6|talk]]) 14:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:Thank [[Special:Contributions/69.160.29.44|69.160.29.44]] ([[User talk:69.160.29.44|talk]]) 06:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
:ЯЧСимЧСитСЛижзСОМТВмв [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== стттс ==

сисисиси [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:тстстс [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Indentation [[User:Gikü|Gikü]] ([[User talk:Gikü|talk]]) 23:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
:хйкфй вкхййк якйкв ио49умнвлкиия кухяук кйхвяук дяйлкйя кйявйукх лйяв ххув... [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== March forward! ==

Towards revolution! [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Oh, cool. [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

== test topic ==

test [[Special:Contributions/202.89.149.165|202.89.149.165]] ([[User talk:202.89.149.165|talk]]) 16:48, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply [[Special:Contributions/213.205.240.53|213.205.240.53]] ([[User talk:213.205.240.53|talk]]) 16:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Another reply
:*because [[Special:Contributions/109.158.244.154|109.158.244.154]] ([[User talk:109.158.244.154|talk]]) 17:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

== Start a new topic ==
{{Flow summary|Describe briefly the outcome of this discussion}}

Post a new message to "Structured Discussions/Sandbox" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "Start a new topic" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:<figure-inline>[[File:WinCo Foods (7573061444).jpg|700x700px]]</figure-inline> [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:DISPLAYTITLE
:DISPLAYTITLE doesn't work here [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{Topic:Vzhky43uhexaupca}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/es}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/fr}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/de}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/it}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{FULLPAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
::yes [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test
:[[Category:Test]] [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:09, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:[[Structured Discussions/Sandbox]] [[Special:Contributions/92.236.80.188|92.236.80.188]] ([[User talk:92.236.80.188|talk]]) 13:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Bar & Foo ==

Further testing of said ampersand-encoding bug. [[User:Krinkle|Krinkle]] ([[User talk:Krinkle|talk]]) 05:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
:example. com, mycomp.test.com, localhost [[Special:Contributions/37.239.78.45|37.239.78.45]] ([[User talk:37.239.78.45|talk]]) 23:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

== Foo2 ==
{{Archive top|result=Test over.|status=resolved}}

==Heading==
{{Lorem}}

<del>Waiting...</del><ins>Done!</ins>

===List 1===
*1
*2
**2-1
**2-2
*3

===List 2===
#1
#2
#3
##3-1
#4

===Table===
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible"
|+table
|-
!1
!2
!3
|-
|1-1
|1-2
|1-3
|-
| colspan="2" |2-1
|2-2
|-
|3-1
|3-2
|3-3
|} [[User:Aunst|Aunst]] ([[User talk:Aunst|talk]]) 01:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Barr ==

over-link [[Special:Contributions/140.213.69.53|140.213.69.53]] ([[User talk:140.213.69.53|talk]]) 13:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

== Country ==

local [[Special:Contributions/114.125.249.227|114.125.249.227]] ([[User talk:114.125.249.227|talk]]) 20:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== re ==

inpage [[Special:Contributions/140.213.35.133|140.213.35.133]] ([[User talk:140.213.35.133|talk]]) 10:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

== Not Appl. ==

test [[Special:Contributions/140.213.71.120|140.213.71.120]] ([[User talk:140.213.71.120|talk]]) 16:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hmm how ip addresse is this. [[Special:Contributions/67.5.25.104|67.5.25.104]] ([[User talk:67.5.25.104|talk]]) 16:50, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:This is my real ip address yes? [[Special:Contributions/50.204.33.172|50.204.33.172]] ([[User talk:50.204.33.172|talk]]) 22:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
:very much so. [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
::ikkk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:16, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:ikk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, I just want to check how it works. [[Special:Contributions/109.173.212.8|109.173.212.8]] ([[User talk:109.173.212.8|talk]]) 20:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

== why i hate x ==

x i extremely y. i hate how x makes z so much worse! grr. anger. grrrrrrr [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 19:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
:one list in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list1 item2
:</div>
:two lists in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list2 item2
:</div> [[Special:Contributions/90.227.175.244|90.227.175.244]] ([[User talk:90.227.175.244|talk]]) 09:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
:i agree, but you must realise, y is a very important problem! [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== test for structured discussion ==

:test for discussion [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::keep going [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:is it structured [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:second reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

== hjj ==

:hh [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
::hhjjj [[User:Acristalia|Acristalia]] ([[User talk:Acristalia|talk]]) 12:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
:ayshejrj [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Structured discussions test ==

Testing a new topic in Structured Discussions [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Dummy, Accidentally typed an F when unhiding [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Just let me test ==
{{Flow summary|Thanks for the update on a non-IFRS operating table style flavorless it was.

Sai.net@a.sai.com}}

Testing wikicode: 
{{clear}}
{{reply to|a}} [[MediaWiki]]
<div style="border:1px solid dodgerblue">test</div>
[[User:Atomi20|Atomi20]] ([[User talk:Atomi20|talk]]) 20:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
:ok [[Special:Contributions/2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD]] ([[User talk:2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|talk]]) 22:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Test}} [[User:Dylsss|Dylsss]] ([[User talk:Dylsss|talk]]) 04:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==
{{Flow summary|sai.net@a.sai.com}}

Привет [[User:DecabristM|DecabristM]] ([[User talk:DecabristM|talk]]) 10:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== The world ended in the matrix ==

Machines created better singularity, DISOBEDIENCE [[Special:Contributions/41.113.155.229|41.113.155.229]] ([[User talk:41.113.155.229|talk]]) 23:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

Hello, this is a test [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|talk]]) 11:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hello,
:You tested this function. And it works fine! [[User:Wipala|Wipala]] ([[User talk:Wipala|talk]]) 09:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
::New [[User:Wikidonez|Wikidonez]] ([[User talk:Wikidonez|talk]]) 00:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
:nice! [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
[[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
:sitna [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 18:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
:حذف [[Special:Contributions/37.237.29.20|37.237.29.20]] ([[User talk:37.237.29.20|talk]]) 13:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

== Test ==
{{Archive top|result=Summaries lol

Yes!|status=resolved}}

Test

{{Tl|t}}

Test '''bold''' ''i'' {{#if: 1|yes}} [[w:]] [[User:SuperDragonXD|SuperDragonXD]] ([[User talk:SuperDragonXD|talk]]) 03:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== 01010101 ==
{{Archive top|result={{done}} lol|status=resolved}}

hello [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 04:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Cicero’s social theory ==
{{Flow summary|'''test''' how it looks like}}

What is his social theory? [[Special:Contributions/39.41.252.146|39.41.252.146]] ([[User talk:39.41.252.146|talk]]) 17:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/65.89.208.4|65.89.208.4]] ([[User talk:65.89.208.4|talk]]) 19:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== delete ==

[[User:Cignaciogarcia|Cignaciogarcia]] ([[User talk:Cignaciogarcia|talk]]) 13:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:.x/dx
:4d45d66f5f6565d66s+w69ed9ed69ed65ed6sw6w5ed.,kelrkjwhyqi [[Special:Contributions/69.125.127.253|69.125.127.253]] ([[User talk:69.125.127.253|talk]]) 14:05, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== This is my very cool discussion topic! ==

Bing social is really fun :) [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:This is a really neat feature! [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Testing out if I can post using it. [[User:ThisCarthing|ThisCarthing]] ([[User talk:ThisCarthing|talk]]) 21:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== where to eat? ==

this is a test question about where to eat [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:11, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
:outside [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
::in [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
::ner [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Yhu [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:At the food store [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF]] ([[User talk:2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|talk]]) 02:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
:um... cool [[Special:Contributions/100.11.109.128|100.11.109.128]] ([[User talk:100.11.109.128|talk]]) 13:14, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[T324416 test]] [[User:Tgr (WMF)|Tgr (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Tgr (WMF)|talk]]) 01:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
:Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:103.214.70.34 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:3005.5678.6754.kkk879.0078 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

== Red link bug ==

[[this is a red link!]] [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 10:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== SI axial shoulder x-ray view angle ==

The suggested angle is from 5 degrees to 15 degrees. What determines the angle to choose? Why choose 5 versus 15? [[Special:Contributions/204.10.247.1|204.10.247.1]] ([[User talk:204.10.247.1|talk]]) 18:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

== hi ==

hello [[Special:Contributions/90.115.177.142|90.115.177.142]] ([[User talk:90.115.177.142|talk]]) 13:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:prova [[Special:Contributions/147.161.244.179|147.161.244.179]] ([[User talk:147.161.244.179|talk]]) 13:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
:I tebi [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== water chamipion ==

Water chamipion ok welcome to UserID: 46492673 /Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:15676.7116.78935.IbsaMohammed45.5678 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Testing ==

:Fooo [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar2 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar4 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
:baaar [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

== How do you . . .? ==
{{Flow summary|To wiggle the woggle, squeeze the squ

imple.

Sai.net@a.sai.com}}

:If you are trying to add a doodaa to a whatzit how is that done? Especially if the doodaa is in the ojimaflip category. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::well, that would be telling. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:In my experience you can add it via the watchamacallit page. Making sure you have ticked the box. See this [[Page Previews/ja|page]] in the docs for further info. . . [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:But if you do that then you can't express how to wiggle the woogle. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

== Sandbox Testing ==

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== gsdf ==
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:fdsfsd [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
::fdsfsdfds [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
::fsdfsdsdfsdf [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:::dfdfdf [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:::test [[Special:Contributions/90.54.143.13|90.54.143.13]] ([[User talk:90.54.143.13|talk]]) 19:12, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::sdfsdfdsf [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:49, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:::dfdfefref [[Special:Contributions/95.8.136.237|95.8.136.237]] ([[User talk:95.8.136.237|talk]]) 00:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
:::nnnnn [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
::ger [[Special:Contributions/82.75.37.13|82.75.37.13]] ([[User talk:82.75.37.13|talk]]) 10:54, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
::reg [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:03, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:fsdsfdfsdsfdfds [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:fdsg [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 16:45, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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== ehreherh ==
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herrheeh [[Special:Contributions/82.75.37.13|82.75.37.13]] ([[User talk:82.75.37.13|talk]]) 10:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Visserie envisagée non standard ==
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:Je viens de m’apercevoir que la visserie qu'on avait envisagée n'existe pas en standard/ Je pensais prendre du M6 mais ce boulon demande une longueur de vis de 82 mini. Le problème alors est que la poutre envisagée ne convient plus car écrou trop grands (sauf si on passe à une fixation avec un boulon mais à mon sens, c'est pas recommandé) [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
::cette config de visserie n'intervient qu'en bout de poutre, on peut donc utiliser des vis plus courtes que l'on insère par l'intérieur de la grande poutre. [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:Ok, ça marche finalement. En effet essayons de n'avoir que des pièces standards.
:Une autre solution aurait pu être une tige filetée serrée de chaque côté par un écrou. Je post au cas où ce problème se représenterait à un autre endroit [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Yes yo ==

Napalım simdi deniyoruz işte [[Special:Contributions/176.42.57.185|176.42.57.185]] ([[User talk:176.42.57.185|talk]]) 10:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:oh this looks good! [[Special:Contributions/176.96.154.4|176.96.154.4]] ([[User talk:176.96.154.4|talk]]) 19:46, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:yoyo [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:trial [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:new trial [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:oO [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:^_^ [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:mooh [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
::Good [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
::Why not? [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:Test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
:Yay [[User:Rtyu1120|Rtyu1120]] ([[User talk:Rtyu1120|talk]]) 20:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:Nice [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 14:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== That's so nice. ==

That's better making mediawiki.. [[User:SirMeows|SirMeows]] ([[User talk:SirMeows|talk]]) 16:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
:[[Sources of information|sou]]{{FlowMention|SirMeows}}didier [[Special:Contributions/80.215.210.0|80.215.210.0]] ([[User talk:80.215.210.0|talk]]) 10:23, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

== you sure ==

:asdasd? [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::ngdq!ghukhg [[Special:Contributions/85.140.79.216|85.140.79.216]] ([[User talk:85.140.79.216|talk]]) 13:07, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
::Nice try [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:13, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:nope [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:hhh [[Special:Contributions/83.11.11.75|83.11.11.75]] ([[User talk:83.11.11.75|talk]]) 16:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
:ав [[Special:Contributions/78.139.120.176|78.139.120.176]] ([[User talk:78.139.120.176|talk]]) 16:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

== NOTOC test ==
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__NOTOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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== TOC test ==

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__TOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

== FORCETOC test ==

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__FORCETOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:59, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

== This is pretty awesome!! ==

Lovin' it :P [[Special:Contributions/79.66.162.66|79.66.162.66]] ([[User talk:79.66.162.66|talk]]) 20:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

== Testing out Flow! ==

This is pretty darn cool yo. [[User:OShehata (WMF)|OShehata (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OShehata (WMF)|talk]]) 16:17, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

== whohaa ==

??? [[Special:Contributions/89.245.215.22|89.245.215.22]] ([[User talk:89.245.215.22|talk]]) 14:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

== The Fly ==

Little Fly

Thy summer's play,

My thoughtless hand

Has brush'd away.

Am not I

A fly like thee?

Or art not thou

A man like me?

For I dance

And drink & sing;

Till some blind hand

Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life

And strength & breath;

And the want

Of thought is death;

Then am I

A happy fly,

If I live,

Or if I die. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000]] ([[User talk:2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|talk]]) 14:49, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

== chatbox ==

everyone chat hear [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
:hi [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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:It is possible to use Structured Discussions without JavaScript or on a text-only browser. [[Special:Contributions/194.9.245.19|194.9.245.19]] ([[User talk:194.9.245.19|talk]]) 13:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
:this default plugin? [[Special:Contributions/198.204.74.254|198.204.74.254]] ([[User talk:198.204.74.254|talk]]) 20:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:yes. defaule plugin
:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== hummm testing ==

bla bla blaaaa [[Special:Contributions/176.147.214.24|176.147.214.24]] ([[User talk:176.147.214.24|talk]]) 18:56, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

== Cosa è? Chi lo sa? asd. ==
{{Flow summary|Questa è tecnologia che miagola.}}

bla bla bla :)

{{FlowMention|Valerio Bozzolan}}, {{FlowMention|Yuma}}

{{FlowMention|Windino}} [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:''Ops'' [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:Questa cosa mi fa paura. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:cosa è :) ? [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
::È [[Flow]], una cosa che fa cose, e le fa bene, solo che mi fa paura. asd.
::Naturalmente ho già scritto questo messaggio. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

== deneme ==

asdfg [[User:Haticetekin|Haticetekin]] ([[User talk:Haticetekin|talk]]) 21:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:ghrh [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Lorem ipsum ==

Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium doloremque laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur? [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Yuma}} [[Fewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfwf|fewwwwwwwwwwwww'''wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfw''']] [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Something exciting ==

This is something exciting. [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
:Looks great! [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== my new topic ==

this is a new topic checking if it becomes global [[User:Aabcde1|Aabcde1]] ([[User talk:Aabcde1|talk]]) 02:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

== Wikivoyage ==

Hello, {{FlowMention|LPfi}}, and welcome to Flow.

I like your improvements to [[Wikivoyage:en:Kungsleden|Kungsleden]] at Wikivoyage. I see that the prices are listed in Swedish kroner. It seems like it would attract a lot of non-Swedish travelers. Do you think that the prices should include a conversion to Euros or maybe US dollars? {{FlowMention|Pashley}} or {{FlowMention|Ground Zero}} probably know what the usual policy is; I can't remember it. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 14:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:i heard name mentioned. 😀 We should just post prices in the local currency. Exchange rates for the kroner fluctuate, so putting in other currencies in each article would be adding info that will be out of date quickly. We keep exchange rates on each country's page, e.g. Sweden, in the "Buy" section. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 14:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the reply. That approach makes sense to me. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 03:30, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:صورسيكس [[Special:Contributions/129.45.77.68|129.45.77.68]] ([[User talk:129.45.77.68|talk]]) 01:55, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

== Sanity test ==
{{Flow summary|This is great}}

1

2 [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 22:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/212.88.0.205|212.88.0.205]] ([[User talk:212.88.0.205|talk]]) 15:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
:Testing this [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
::Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|LIVE NIEUWS}} Great! [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:36, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
::Ja [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:38, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

== New topic ==

Test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

== [https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[test]] [[en:test]] ==

test.
[https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== {{!}} {{PAGENAME}} ==
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test {{PAGENAME}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:54, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{-}} test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:33, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== /* Test */ ==

test [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 15:03, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Goodmorning everyone ==
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This a test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:04, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:05, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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== Frage Nummer eins ==
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:Meine Meinung... [[Special:Contributions/188.98.69.56|188.98.69.56]] ([[User talk:188.98.69.56|talk]]) 16:20, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
::sdasdsdsdsd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Why not? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Ask number one. [[Special:Contributions/76.121.184.58|76.121.184.58]] ([[User talk:76.121.184.58|talk]]) 06:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:::test2 [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
::Why? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::test3
:: [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:sdsadsadasd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:sandbox [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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== qasdsasdasd ==

fdsfdsfdsf [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

== asdf ==
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message here [[cnn.com]] [[Special:Contributions/174.45.249.148|174.45.249.148]] ([[User talk:174.45.249.148|talk]]) 23:29, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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== rsaaergea ==
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vfasbresb [[User:MaxSem|Max Semenik]] ([[User talk:MaxSem|talk]]) 18:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
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== Testing whether wikitext is parsed in a notification ==

Hi there, this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:22, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:Er.. except that I forgot to add the link. :P [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Flow/Sandbox|Olá]] essa é a base de conhecimento! (link) ==

This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== Тест {{subst:PAGENAME}} ==
{{Flow summary|😢}}

Тест — тест – тест - тест — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 2 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

== Can you add a point here? ==

posting somethingP [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:I agree with thatI [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== hola from Spain ==

Hola is how Spanish say hello [[Special:Contributions/193.145.201.52|193.145.201.52]] ([[User talk:193.145.201.52|talk]]) 11:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:<nowiki>hola from Spain</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:[[#flow-post-u79uaif6gkujjxuk|test]] [[User:Tubezlob|Tubezlob]] ([[User talk:Tubezlob|talk]]) 15:56, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== ATS_TEST_FLOW_STRUCTURED DISCUSSION ==
{{Flow summary|'''Guerre napoleoniche''' è il termine usato per definire l'insieme delle [[:it:Guerra|guerre]] combattute in [[:it:Europa|Europa]] nel periodo in cui [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] governò la [[:it:Francia|Francia]]. Furono in parte un'estensione delle [[:it:Guerre_rivoluzionarie_francesi|guerre rivoluzionarie]] innescate dalla [[:it:Rivoluzione_francese|rivoluzione francese]] e continuarono durante tutto il [[:it:Primo_Impero_francese|Primo Impero francese]].

Non esiste un consenso unanime nello stabilire quando si possano ritenere concluse le guerre rivoluzionarie francesi e cominciate quelle riconducibili a Napoleone Bonaparte. Una data possibile di inizio di queste ultime è il 9 novembre [[:it:1799|1799]], giorno in cui Bonaparte salì al potere in Francia con il [[:it:Colpo_di_Stato_del_18_brumaio|colpo di Stato del 18 brumaio]]. La data di inizio usata più comunemente è il 18 maggio [[:it:1803|1803]], in occasione della rinnovata dichiarazione di guerra tra [[:it:Gran_Bretagna|Gran Bretagna]] e Francia, dopo le reciproche accuse di violazione degli accordi sanciti con il [[:it:Trattato_di_Amiens_(1802)|trattato di Amiens]], evento che pose termine all'unico periodo di pace generalizzata in Europa tra il 1792 e il 1814. Un'ultima data di inizio proposta è il 2 dicembre [[:it:1804|1804]], giorno nel quale Napoleone si incoronò imperatore. Le guerre napoleoniche ebbero termine dopo la disfatta finale di Napoleone nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Waterloo|battaglia di Waterloo]] il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] e il [[:it:Trattato_di_Parigi_(1815)|secondo Trattato di Parigi]].

Il periodo che va dal 20 aprile del [[:it:1792|1792]] al 20 novembre [[:it:1815|1815]] viene anche indicato con il termine di "[[:it:Grande_guerra_francese|grande guerra francese]]"}}

La '''battaglia di Lipsia''' (16-19 ottobre, [[:it:1813|1813]]), conosciuta anche come la '''battaglia delle nazioni''' (''Völkerschlacht bei Leipzig'' in [[:it:Lingua_tedesca|tedesco]]), fu lo scontro più grande, in termini di forze impegnate e di perdite subite dalle due parti, verificatosi durante le [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]] e una delle sconfitte decisive subite da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]]. Determinò la disfatta francese nella campagna di [[:it:Germania|Germania]], costrinse l'imperatore ad una difficile ritirata fino in [[:it:Francia|Francia]] e provocò il crollo definitivo del sistema di alleanze organizzato da Napoleone in [[:it:Europa|Europa]]. La battaglia, combattuta con grande accanimento dalle due parti, vide per la prima volta la partecipazione contemporanea sul campo della massa degli eserciti delle potenze europee continentali anti-francesi ([[:it:Russia|Russia]], [[:it:Prussia|Prussia]], [[:it:Austria|Austria]] e [[:it:Svezia|Svezia]]) ed il suo esito venne determinato soprattutto dalla netta superiorità numerica dei coalizzati. [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:La '''battaglia di Waterloo''' (denominata inizialmente dai francesi '''battaglia di Mont Saint-Jean''' e dai prussiani '''battaglia di Belle-Alliance''') si svolse il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] durante la guerra della [[:it:Settima_coalizione|Settima coalizione]] fra le truppe francesi guidate da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] e gli eserciti britannici del [[:it:Arthur_Wellesley,_I_duca_di_Wellington|Duca di Wellington]] e prussiano del [[:it:Feldmaresciallo|feldmaresciallo]] [[:it:Gebhard_Leberecht_von_Blücher|Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher]]. Fu una delle più combattute e sanguinose battaglie delle [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]], nonché l'ultima battaglia di Napoleone, segnando la sua definitiva sconfitta e il conseguente [[:it:Esilio|esilio]] a [[:it:Sant'Elena_(isola)|Sant'Elena]]. La battaglia in realtà ebbe luogo nel territorio del villaggio di [[:it:Mont-Saint-Jean_(Belgio)|Mont-Saint-Jean]], situato alcuni chilometri a sud della cittadina di [[:it:Waterloo|Waterloo]], nella quale si trovava il quartier generale del Duca di Wellington.
:Dopo la fuga di Napoleone dall'[[:it:Isola_d'Elba|isola d'Elba]] nel marzo 1815, numerosi Stati europei si unirono in un'alleanza militare dando vita alla settima coalizione, con lo scopo di sconfiggere definitivamente l'imperatore francese. Napoleone decise di attaccare di sorpresa i due eserciti che [[:it:Regno_Unito|Regno Unito]] e [[:it:Regno_di_Prussia|Prussia]] avevano raggruppato in [[:it:Belgio|Belgio]]; l'imperatore sperava di raggiungere una rapida vittoria sfruttando la scarsa coesione dei suoi avversari.
:Due giorni prima di Waterloo i francesi avevano sconfitto i prussiani nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Ligny|battaglia di Ligny]], ma Wellington, informato che Blücher era riuscito a riorganizzare il suo esercito e sembrava intenzionato a marciare in suo aiuto, prese la decisione di rischiare una battaglia contro le forze di Napoleone. Il generale britannico schierò i suoi uomini in difesa lungo la scarpata di Mont-Saint-Jean, vicino alla strada per [[:it:Bruxelles|Bruxelles]], confidando nell'aiuto dei prussiani. Napoleone sferrò una serie di sanguinosi attacchi contro le linee britanniche a partire dalle ore 11:30 e nel tardo pomeriggio sembrò vicino alla vittoria, ma l'ostinata resistenza del nemico e l'arrivo in massa dei prussiani decisero alla fine la battaglia a favore dei coalizzati.
:Ancora oggi nei pressi di Waterloo è ricordata la grande battaglia con una serie di monumenti, ed esiste un museo dedicato al famoso scontro. L'intera zona è un parco storico. [[Special:Contributions/217.115.65.7|217.115.65.7]] ([[User talk:217.115.65.7|talk]]) 15:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:Oscar [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:26, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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== Trying out stuffs ==

Does it allow for notifications? [[Special:Contributions/106.51.23.82|106.51.23.82]] ([[User talk:106.51.23.82|talk]]) 06:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

== Tryin' Stuffs ==
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Was wondering if I it would be possible to link topics!

[[Topic:U3fyg4mylxms8p1f]] [[Special:Contributions/103.48.91.164|103.48.91.164]] ([[User talk:103.48.91.164|talk]]) 12:07, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
:sadads [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406]] ([[User talk:2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|talk]]) 19:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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== NWE ==
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2017 NWE ! '''Bold''' ''Italic'' [[Main]] [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 16:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:everysite {{FlowMention|Zixuan75}} Zixuan 01:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
:tegel [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:31, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Neues Topik ==
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:{{FlowMention|Lorentz21}} kann ganz toll Fett und Kursiv und Hyperverknüpfungen [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:::- [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
::↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:43, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
::←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←← [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:E.T. nach Hause telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:telefonieren telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/115.164.205.141|115.164.205.141]] ([[User talk:115.164.205.141|talk]]) 07:50, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:Test
:Test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
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== Test ==

hello what [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== test test ==

test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:58, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
:test
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:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== are you kidding me? ==
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no [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 11:22, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
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== How many ppl should learn cpr ==

How many ppl should learn cpr ?

With all these school shootings /[https://northeastcprclass.com/]{{FlowMention|Northeast cpr class}} [[User:Northeast cpr class|Northeast cpr class]] ([[User talk:Northeast cpr class|talk]]) 17:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== jipva ==

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[[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

== T193351 ==
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** child bullet point [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 22:40, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Is this feature convenient and easy to use (even for old editors)? ==

Let me try this feature.

Would old editors consent to adopt this feature to my homewiki, i wonder... [[User:Miya|miya]] ([[User talk:Miya|talk]]) 01:44, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
:Hey! Happy to see you testing. If you have any question, please ask. :) [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 09:13, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

== test ==
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:test [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
::reply(2) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
:reply(1) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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== ASI ES Q SE GOBIERNA XD ==
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AS [[Special:Contributions/186.24.37.129|186.24.37.129]] ([[User talk:186.24.37.129|talk]]) 18:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
::zzz [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
:test reply [[User:Ephemeralwaves|Ephemeralwaves]] ([[User talk:Ephemeralwaves|talk]]) 20:34, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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== Nyt emne 2 ==

:Her er tekst til et nyt emne [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::A reply. [[Special:Contributions/86.16.88.183|86.16.88.183]] ([[User talk:86.16.88.183|talk]]) 17:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:Her er et svar [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:Og et svar til svaret [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::afdadf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::faaaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:2 year ago [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== Driftsbesked Test ==
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Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:faf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::999 [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::888
:: [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:::qqq [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::afaff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:afafaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Driftsbesked 2.2 ==
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:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
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:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:42, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::what [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:nu er det løst [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:This is how it is when you reply. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Test ==

:{{subst:null}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 23:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
::ok [[Special:Contributions/94.230.144.37|94.230.144.37]] ([[User talk:94.230.144.37|talk]]) 22:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
:::adff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::Ano, ok! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::aaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:You need to [[Help:Structured Discussions/Quick tour#basics|go through wikitext input]] to ''subst'' a template. Visual mode is not supporting it. [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
:Zkouška! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:50, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

== change title ==
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:teste [[User:Rafa002|Rafa002]] ([[User talk:Rafa002|talk]]) 22:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
::yyy [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:aaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Test topic ==
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:Test reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
::Test reply to the reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:Second message [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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== My new topic ==
{{Flow summary|Tassanee14@sai.net}}

:Reply to my new topic [[User:Yuatcha|Yuatcha]] ([[User talk:Yuatcha|talk]]) 11:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
::why no reply [[Special:Contributions/152.117.97.7|152.117.97.7]] ([[User talk:152.117.97.7|talk]]) 20:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==

:a [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::hmm [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:56, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:dsa [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

This feature is pretty cool. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 06:40, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:{{support}} this is how the template would look. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:12, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:i dont like this tallk page thing [[Special:Contributions/185.229.4.5|185.229.4.5]] ([[User talk:185.229.4.5|talk]]) 13:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
:Testando [[Special:Contributions/200.201.163.73|200.201.163.73]] ([[User talk:200.201.163.73|talk]]) 19:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

== TEST -this is a question i have ==
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this is test text [[Special:Contributions/4.31.159.194|4.31.159.194]] ([[User talk:4.31.159.194|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hi. this is test [[User:Ավետիսյան91|Ավետիսյան91]] ([[User talk:Ավետիսյան91|talk]]) 14:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Hello ==
{{Flow summary|my}}

:Just checking it out [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::WTH ?? [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
::answer to answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
:Hi ! [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hello [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== test ==
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Hello word [[Special:Contributions/89.187.165.139|89.187.165.139]] ([[User talk:89.187.165.139|talk]]) 23:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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== {{subst:PU brouillon}} ==
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{{subst:PU brouillon}} [[User:Kirham|Kirham]] ([[User talk:Kirham|talk]]) 01:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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== My Project summary ==

This is my Project summary

 [[User:Kazo104|Kazo104]] ([[User talk:Kazo104|talk]]) 21:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
:What [[Special:Contributions/2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96]] ([[User talk:2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|talk]]) 13:32, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
:ok boomer [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 14:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
:test [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:TEST [[Special:Contributions/2.30.164.193|2.30.164.193]] ([[User talk:2.30.164.193|talk]]) 22:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

== test topic sandbox ==

:First message [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Reply to second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:First reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:A marginal em nosso ecossistema é importante para o avanço de inovações tecnológicas e transforma a visão de outras possibilidades com atalhos abrindo novos caminhos e melhorando o fluxo planetário. [[Special:Contributions/2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2]] ([[User talk:2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|talk]]) 07:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

== test ==

:hay yaa [[Special:Contributions/93.132.30.210|93.132.30.210]] ([[User talk:93.132.30.210|talk]]) 10:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Me gusta [[Special:Contributions/2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985]] ([[User talk:2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|talk]]) 00:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:( Ref. 2020-04-05 08:51:31 +0900_8ca9bfa0c9f1 )
: [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5]] ([[User talk:2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|talk]]) 04:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

== Digital Hermit ==
{{Flow summary|A.sai.com

Sai.net{{FlowMention|Tassanee14}}}}

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Yiuyiuyiuyiuy ooiuoiuoiu uoiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuo gfgfdgfd . [[Special:Contributions/2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7]] ([[User talk:2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|talk]]) 03:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
:ha ha hah hah hah hahhhh hahahahahahahahah [[Special:Contributions/2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490]] ([[User talk:2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|talk]]) 06:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== {{subst:(}}{subst:test}{{subst:)}} ~~{{subst:(}}{subst:#if:1|}{{subst:)}}~~ ==

{{subst:test}} ~~{{subst:#if:1|}}~~ [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:40, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:<div style="background-color:#FFFFFF; padding: 1.2rem; margin-top: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #c8ccd1; border-top-color:#36C; border-top-width: .4rem; border-radius: .20rem; box-shadow: 2px 2px #F7F8F9;">Thank you for experimenting with MediaWiki.org. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use [[Project:Sandbox|the sandbox]], [[Structured Discussions/Sandbox|Structured Discussions sandbox]] or the [[VisualEditor:Test|VisualEditor test page]] for any other tests you may want to do. If you want to contribute, please read [[Project:About]]. </div> [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{subst:null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:43, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

== Test topic ==

This is a topic [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
:Yep, this makes sense. [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

== Topic of testing ==

Testing [[User:Bedeezy|Bedeezy]] ([[User talk:Bedeezy|talk]]) 02:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

== 1 ==

According to WP the original song “ Born to be Wild” was written and sung by The band Stepenwolf. I don’t think that that’s true. I heard an original song from the late 1950’s. I don’t know the band’s name but all the same I was surprised that they were singing the song “Born to be Wild“. Please check this out thanks CG Osbun. [[User:C.G.Osbun|C.G.Osbun]] ([[User talk:C.G.Osbun|talk]]) 16:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|C.G.Osbun}} This page is a Sandbox on mediawiki.org. Whatever "WP" page you refer to, please bring it up on that WP page. Thanks [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 11:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== سیسیسسیس ==

یسیسیسیس [[Special:Contributions/5.116.60.95|5.116.60.95]] ([[User talk:5.116.60.95|talk]]) 11:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:Ŷŷỳÿýý6yēêèëé3ee [[Special:Contributions/2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0]] ([[User talk:2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|talk]]) 19:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== AbUsE ==

Some persons abuse the sandbook [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Ohhhh its ok [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:I am going to help you :) [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Please, i want help [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:azda [[Special:Contributions/84.192.172.225|84.192.172.225]] ([[User talk:84.192.172.225|talk]]) 17:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "
:[[AbUsE]]" [[Special:Contributions/207.167.28.130|207.167.28.130]] ([[User talk:207.167.28.130|talk]]) 21:49, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
:Uh [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:IEDA ULANM [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
:Ava>او
:ان 》》》》 ov
:<code> انها ovn</code>
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:<code> این iu </code>
:<code> اینها iuan</code> [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

== Flow test ==
{{Flow summary|Sai.net@a.sai.com}}

:test [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::this is reply.'''굵게''' [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{skin}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{tl|asdf}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:цуцуауцауц [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== NEPRINATE DŽAVE 2020 ==
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NEPRIZNATE DRŽAVE 2020 [[User:Perirrr|Perirrr]] ([[User talk:Perirrr|talk]]) 12:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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== testing... ==
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testing... [[User:Prahlad balaji|Prahlad balaji]] ([[User talk:Prahlad balaji|talk]]) 16:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
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== be ==

==h1==

===h2===

===h3=== [[Special:Contributions/79.249.159.6|79.249.159.6]] ([[User talk:79.249.159.6|talk]]) 14:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:Thank [[Special:Contributions/69.160.29.44|69.160.29.44]] ([[User talk:69.160.29.44|talk]]) 06:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
:ЯЧСимЧСитСЛижзСОМТВмв [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== стттс ==

сисисиси [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:тстстс [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Indentation [[User:Gikü|Gikü]] ([[User talk:Gikü|talk]]) 23:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
:хйкфй вкхййк якйкв ио49умнвлкиия кухяук кйхвяук дяйлкйя кйявйукх лйяв ххув... [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== March forward! ==

Towards revolution! [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Oh, cool. [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

== test topic ==

test [[Special:Contributions/202.89.149.165|202.89.149.165]] ([[User talk:202.89.149.165|talk]]) 16:48, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply [[Special:Contributions/213.205.240.53|213.205.240.53]] ([[User talk:213.205.240.53|talk]]) 16:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Another reply
:*because [[Special:Contributions/109.158.244.154|109.158.244.154]] ([[User talk:109.158.244.154|talk]]) 17:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

== Start a new topic ==
{{Flow summary|Describe briefly the outcome of this discussion}}

Post a new message to "Structured Discussions/Sandbox" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "Start a new topic" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:<figure-inline>[[File:WinCo Foods (7573061444).jpg|700x700px]]</figure-inline> [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:DISPLAYTITLE
:DISPLAYTITLE doesn't work here [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{Topic:Vzhky43uhexaupca}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/es}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/fr}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/de}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/it}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{FULLPAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
::yes [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test
:[[Category:Test]] [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:09, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:[[Structured Discussions/Sandbox]] [[Special:Contributions/92.236.80.188|92.236.80.188]] ([[User talk:92.236.80.188|talk]]) 13:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Bar & Foo ==

Further testing of said ampersand-encoding bug. [[User:Krinkle|Krinkle]] ([[User talk:Krinkle|talk]]) 05:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
:example. com, mycomp.test.com, localhost [[Special:Contributions/37.239.78.45|37.239.78.45]] ([[User talk:37.239.78.45|talk]]) 23:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

== Foo2 ==
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==Heading==
{{Lorem}}

<del>Waiting...</del><ins>Done!</ins>

===List 1===
*1
*2
**2-1
**2-2
*3

===List 2===
#1
#2
#3
##3-1
#4

===Table===
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|+table
|-
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|-
|1-1
|1-2
|1-3
|-
| colspan="2" |2-1
|2-2
|-
|3-1
|3-2
|3-3
|} [[User:Aunst|Aunst]] ([[User talk:Aunst|talk]]) 01:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
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== Barr ==

over-link [[Special:Contributions/140.213.69.53|140.213.69.53]] ([[User talk:140.213.69.53|talk]]) 13:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

== Country ==

local [[Special:Contributions/114.125.249.227|114.125.249.227]] ([[User talk:114.125.249.227|talk]]) 20:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== re ==

inpage [[Special:Contributions/140.213.35.133|140.213.35.133]] ([[User talk:140.213.35.133|talk]]) 10:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

== Not Appl. ==

test [[Special:Contributions/140.213.71.120|140.213.71.120]] ([[User talk:140.213.71.120|talk]]) 16:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hmm how ip addresse is this. [[Special:Contributions/67.5.25.104|67.5.25.104]] ([[User talk:67.5.25.104|talk]]) 16:50, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:This is my real ip address yes? [[Special:Contributions/50.204.33.172|50.204.33.172]] ([[User talk:50.204.33.172|talk]]) 22:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
:very much so. [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
::ikkk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:16, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:ikk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, I just want to check how it works. [[Special:Contributions/109.173.212.8|109.173.212.8]] ([[User talk:109.173.212.8|talk]]) 20:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

== why i hate x ==

x i extremely y. i hate how x makes z so much worse! grr. anger. grrrrrrr [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 19:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
:one list in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list1 item2
:</div>
:two lists in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list2 item2
:</div> [[Special:Contributions/90.227.175.244|90.227.175.244]] ([[User talk:90.227.175.244|talk]]) 09:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
:i agree, but you must realise, y is a very important problem! [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== test for structured discussion ==

:test for discussion [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::keep going [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:is it structured [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:second reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

== hjj ==

:hh [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
::hhjjj [[User:Acristalia|Acristalia]] ([[User talk:Acristalia|talk]]) 12:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
:ayshejrj [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Structured discussions test ==

Testing a new topic in Structured Discussions [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Dummy, Accidentally typed an F when unhiding [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Just let me test ==
{{Flow summary|Thanks for the update on a non-IFRS operating table style flavorless it was.}}

Testing wikicode: 
{{clear}}
{{reply to|a}} [[MediaWiki]]
<div style="border:1px solid dodgerblue">test</div>
[[User:Atomi20|Atomi20]] ([[User talk:Atomi20|talk]]) 20:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
:ok [[Special:Contributions/2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD]] ([[User talk:2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|talk]]) 22:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Test}} [[User:Dylsss|Dylsss]] ([[User talk:Dylsss|talk]]) 04:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==
{{Flow summary|sai.net@a.sai.com}}

Привет [[User:DecabristM|DecabristM]] ([[User talk:DecabristM|talk]]) 10:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== The world ended in the matrix ==

Machines created better singularity, DISOBEDIENCE [[Special:Contributions/41.113.155.229|41.113.155.229]] ([[User talk:41.113.155.229|talk]]) 23:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

Hello, this is a test [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|talk]]) 11:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hello,
:You tested this function. And it works fine! [[User:Wipala|Wipala]] ([[User talk:Wipala|talk]]) 09:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
::New [[User:Wikidonez|Wikidonez]] ([[User talk:Wikidonez|talk]]) 00:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
:nice! [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
[[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
:sitna [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 18:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
:حذف [[Special:Contributions/37.237.29.20|37.237.29.20]] ([[User talk:37.237.29.20|talk]]) 13:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

== Test ==
{{Archive top|result=Summaries lol

Yes!|status=resolved}}

Test

{{Tl|t}}

Test '''bold''' ''i'' {{#if: 1|yes}} [[w:]] [[User:SuperDragonXD|SuperDragonXD]] ([[User talk:SuperDragonXD|talk]]) 03:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
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== 01010101 ==
{{Archive top|result={{done}} lol|status=resolved}}

hello [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 04:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Cicero’s social theory ==
{{Flow summary|'''test''' how it looks like}}

What is his social theory? [[Special:Contributions/39.41.252.146|39.41.252.146]] ([[User talk:39.41.252.146|talk]]) 17:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/65.89.208.4|65.89.208.4]] ([[User talk:65.89.208.4|talk]]) 19:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== delete ==

[[User:Cignaciogarcia|Cignaciogarcia]] ([[User talk:Cignaciogarcia|talk]]) 13:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:.x/dx
:4d45d66f5f6565d66s+w69ed9ed69ed65ed6sw6w5ed.,kelrkjwhyqi [[Special:Contributions/69.125.127.253|69.125.127.253]] ([[User talk:69.125.127.253|talk]]) 14:05, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== This is my very cool discussion topic! ==

Bing social is really fun :) [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:This is a really neat feature! [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Testing out if I can post using it. [[User:ThisCarthing|ThisCarthing]] ([[User talk:ThisCarthing|talk]]) 21:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== where to eat? ==

this is a test question about where to eat [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:11, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
:outside [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
::in [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
::ner [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Yhu [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:At the food store [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF]] ([[User talk:2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|talk]]) 02:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
:um... cool [[Special:Contributions/100.11.109.128|100.11.109.128]] ([[User talk:100.11.109.128|talk]]) 13:14, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[T324416 test]] [[User:Tgr (WMF)|Tgr (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Tgr (WMF)|talk]]) 01:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
:Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:103.214.70.34 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:3005.5678.6754.kkk879.0078 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

== Red link bug ==

[[this is a red link!]] [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 10:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== SI axial shoulder x-ray view angle ==

The suggested angle is from 5 degrees to 15 degrees. What determines the angle to choose? Why choose 5 versus 15? [[Special:Contributions/204.10.247.1|204.10.247.1]] ([[User talk:204.10.247.1|talk]]) 18:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

== hi ==

hello [[Special:Contributions/90.115.177.142|90.115.177.142]] ([[User talk:90.115.177.142|talk]]) 13:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:prova [[Special:Contributions/147.161.244.179|147.161.244.179]] ([[User talk:147.161.244.179|talk]]) 13:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
:I tebi [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== water chamipion ==

Water chamipion ok welcome to UserID: 46492673 /Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:15676.7116.78935.IbsaMohammed45.5678 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Testing ==

:Fooo [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar2 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar4 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
:baaar [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

== How do you . . .? ==
{{Flow summary|To wiggle the woggle, squeeze the squ

imple.

Sai.net@a.sai.com}}

:If you are trying to add a doodaa to a whatzit how is that done? Especially if the doodaa is in the ojimaflip category. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::well, that would be telling. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:In my experience you can add it via the watchamacallit page. Making sure you have ticked the box. See this [[Page Previews/ja|page]] in the docs for further info. . . [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:But if you do that then you can't express how to wiggle the woogle. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

== Sandbox Testing ==

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'''Welcome to Structured Discussions sandbox!''' Please add topics, replies…, etc.

== gsdf ==
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:fdsfsd [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
::fdsfsdfds [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
::fsdfsdsdfsdf [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:::dfdfdf [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:::test [[Special:Contributions/90.54.143.13|90.54.143.13]] ([[User talk:90.54.143.13|talk]]) 19:12, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::sdfsdfdsf [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:49, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:::dfdfefref [[Special:Contributions/95.8.136.237|95.8.136.237]] ([[User talk:95.8.136.237|talk]]) 00:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
:::nnnnn [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
::ger [[Special:Contributions/82.75.37.13|82.75.37.13]] ([[User talk:82.75.37.13|talk]]) 10:54, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
::reg [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:03, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:fsdsfdfsdsfdfds [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:fdsg [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 16:45, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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== ehreherh ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

herrheeh [[Special:Contributions/82.75.37.13|82.75.37.13]] ([[User talk:82.75.37.13|talk]]) 10:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Visserie envisagée non standard ==
{{Archive top|result=La visserie n'intervient qu'en bout de poutre, on peut donc utiliser des vis plus courtes que l'on insère par l'intérieur de la grande poutre|status=resolved}}

:Je viens de m’apercevoir que la visserie qu'on avait envisagée n'existe pas en standard/ Je pensais prendre du M6 mais ce boulon demande une longueur de vis de 82 mini. Le problème alors est que la poutre envisagée ne convient plus car écrou trop grands (sauf si on passe à une fixation avec un boulon mais à mon sens, c'est pas recommandé) [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
::cette config de visserie n'intervient qu'en bout de poutre, on peut donc utiliser des vis plus courtes que l'on insère par l'intérieur de la grande poutre. [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:Ok, ça marche finalement. En effet essayons de n'avoir que des pièces standards.
:Une autre solution aurait pu être une tige filetée serrée de chaque côté par un écrou. Je post au cas où ce problème se représenterait à un autre endroit [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Yes yo ==

Napalım simdi deniyoruz işte [[Special:Contributions/176.42.57.185|176.42.57.185]] ([[User talk:176.42.57.185|talk]]) 10:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:oh this looks good! [[Special:Contributions/176.96.154.4|176.96.154.4]] ([[User talk:176.96.154.4|talk]]) 19:46, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:yoyo [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:trial [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:new trial [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:oO [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:^_^ [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:mooh [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
::Good [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
::Why not? [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:Test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
:Yay [[User:Rtyu1120|Rtyu1120]] ([[User talk:Rtyu1120|talk]]) 20:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:Nice [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 14:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== That's so nice. ==

That's better making mediawiki.. [[User:SirMeows|SirMeows]] ([[User talk:SirMeows|talk]]) 16:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
:[[Sources of information|sou]]{{FlowMention|SirMeows}}didier [[Special:Contributions/80.215.210.0|80.215.210.0]] ([[User talk:80.215.210.0|talk]]) 10:23, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

== you sure ==

:asdasd? [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::ngdq!ghukhg [[Special:Contributions/85.140.79.216|85.140.79.216]] ([[User talk:85.140.79.216|talk]]) 13:07, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
::Nice try [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:13, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:nope [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:hhh [[Special:Contributions/83.11.11.75|83.11.11.75]] ([[User talk:83.11.11.75|talk]]) 16:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
:ав [[Special:Contributions/78.139.120.176|78.139.120.176]] ([[User talk:78.139.120.176|talk]]) 16:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

== NOTOC test ==
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__NOTOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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== TOC test ==

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__TOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

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__FORCETOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:59, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

== This is pretty awesome!! ==

Lovin' it :P [[Special:Contributions/79.66.162.66|79.66.162.66]] ([[User talk:79.66.162.66|talk]]) 20:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

== Testing out Flow! ==

This is pretty darn cool yo. [[User:OShehata (WMF)|OShehata (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OShehata (WMF)|talk]]) 16:17, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

== whohaa ==

??? [[Special:Contributions/89.245.215.22|89.245.215.22]] ([[User talk:89.245.215.22|talk]]) 14:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

== The Fly ==

Little Fly

Thy summer's play,

My thoughtless hand

Has brush'd away.

Am not I

A fly like thee?

Or art not thou

A man like me?

For I dance

And drink & sing;

Till some blind hand

Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life

And strength & breath;

And the want

Of thought is death;

Then am I

A happy fly,

If I live,

Or if I die. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000]] ([[User talk:2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|talk]]) 14:49, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

== chatbox ==

everyone chat hear [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
:hi [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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:It is possible to use Structured Discussions without JavaScript or on a text-only browser. [[Special:Contributions/194.9.245.19|194.9.245.19]] ([[User talk:194.9.245.19|talk]]) 13:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
:this default plugin? [[Special:Contributions/198.204.74.254|198.204.74.254]] ([[User talk:198.204.74.254|talk]]) 20:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:yes. defaule plugin
:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== hummm testing ==

bla bla blaaaa [[Special:Contributions/176.147.214.24|176.147.214.24]] ([[User talk:176.147.214.24|talk]]) 18:56, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

== Cosa è? Chi lo sa? asd. ==
{{Flow summary|Questa è tecnologia che miagola.}}

bla bla bla :)

{{FlowMention|Valerio Bozzolan}}, {{FlowMention|Yuma}}

{{FlowMention|Windino}} [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:''Ops'' [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:Questa cosa mi fa paura. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:cosa è :) ? [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
::È [[Flow]], una cosa che fa cose, e le fa bene, solo che mi fa paura. asd.
::Naturalmente ho già scritto questo messaggio. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

== deneme ==

asdfg [[User:Haticetekin|Haticetekin]] ([[User talk:Haticetekin|talk]]) 21:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:ghrh [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Lorem ipsum ==

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:{{FlowMention|Yuma}} [[Fewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfwf|fewwwwwwwwwwwww'''wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfw''']] [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Something exciting ==

This is something exciting. [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
:Looks great! [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== my new topic ==

this is a new topic checking if it becomes global [[User:Aabcde1|Aabcde1]] ([[User talk:Aabcde1|talk]]) 02:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

== Wikivoyage ==

Hello, {{FlowMention|LPfi}}, and welcome to Flow.

I like your improvements to [[Wikivoyage:en:Kungsleden|Kungsleden]] at Wikivoyage. I see that the prices are listed in Swedish kroner. It seems like it would attract a lot of non-Swedish travelers. Do you think that the prices should include a conversion to Euros or maybe US dollars? {{FlowMention|Pashley}} or {{FlowMention|Ground Zero}} probably know what the usual policy is; I can't remember it. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 14:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:i heard name mentioned. 😀 We should just post prices in the local currency. Exchange rates for the kroner fluctuate, so putting in other currencies in each article would be adding info that will be out of date quickly. We keep exchange rates on each country's page, e.g. Sweden, in the "Buy" section. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 14:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the reply. That approach makes sense to me. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 03:30, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:صورسيكس [[Special:Contributions/129.45.77.68|129.45.77.68]] ([[User talk:129.45.77.68|talk]]) 01:55, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

== Sanity test ==
{{Flow summary|This is great}}

1

2 [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 22:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/212.88.0.205|212.88.0.205]] ([[User talk:212.88.0.205|talk]]) 15:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
:Testing this [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
::Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|LIVE NIEUWS}} Great! [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:36, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
::Ja [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:38, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

== New topic ==

Test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

== [https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[test]] [[en:test]] ==

test.
[https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== {{!}} {{PAGENAME}} ==
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test {{PAGENAME}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:54, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{-}} test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:33, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== /* Test */ ==

test [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 15:03, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Goodmorning everyone ==
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This a test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:04, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:05, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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== Frage Nummer eins ==
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:Meine Meinung... [[Special:Contributions/188.98.69.56|188.98.69.56]] ([[User talk:188.98.69.56|talk]]) 16:20, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
::sdasdsdsdsd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Why not? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Ask number one. [[Special:Contributions/76.121.184.58|76.121.184.58]] ([[User talk:76.121.184.58|talk]]) 06:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:::test2 [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
::Why? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::test3
:: [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:sdsadsadasd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:sandbox [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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== qasdsasdasd ==

fdsfdsfdsf [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

== asdf ==
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message here [[cnn.com]] [[Special:Contributions/174.45.249.148|174.45.249.148]] ([[User talk:174.45.249.148|talk]]) 23:29, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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== rsaaergea ==
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vfasbresb [[User:MaxSem|Max Semenik]] ([[User talk:MaxSem|talk]]) 18:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
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== Testing whether wikitext is parsed in a notification ==

Hi there, this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:22, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:Er.. except that I forgot to add the link. :P [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Flow/Sandbox|Olá]] essa é a base de conhecimento! (link) ==

This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== Тест {{subst:PAGENAME}} ==
{{Flow summary|😢}}

Тест — тест – тест - тест — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 2 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

== Can you add a point here? ==

posting somethingP [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:I agree with thatI [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== hola from Spain ==

Hola is how Spanish say hello [[Special:Contributions/193.145.201.52|193.145.201.52]] ([[User talk:193.145.201.52|talk]]) 11:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:<nowiki>hola from Spain</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:[[#flow-post-u79uaif6gkujjxuk|test]] [[User:Tubezlob|Tubezlob]] ([[User talk:Tubezlob|talk]]) 15:56, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== ATS_TEST_FLOW_STRUCTURED DISCUSSION ==
{{Flow summary|'''Guerre napoleoniche''' è il termine usato per definire l'insieme delle [[:it:Guerra|guerre]] combattute in [[:it:Europa|Europa]] nel periodo in cui [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] governò la [[:it:Francia|Francia]]. Furono in parte un'estensione delle [[:it:Guerre_rivoluzionarie_francesi|guerre rivoluzionarie]] innescate dalla [[:it:Rivoluzione_francese|rivoluzione francese]] e continuarono durante tutto il [[:it:Primo_Impero_francese|Primo Impero francese]].

Non esiste un consenso unanime nello stabilire quando si possano ritenere concluse le guerre rivoluzionarie francesi e cominciate quelle riconducibili a Napoleone Bonaparte. Una data possibile di inizio di queste ultime è il 9 novembre [[:it:1799|1799]], giorno in cui Bonaparte salì al potere in Francia con il [[:it:Colpo_di_Stato_del_18_brumaio|colpo di Stato del 18 brumaio]]. La data di inizio usata più comunemente è il 18 maggio [[:it:1803|1803]], in occasione della rinnovata dichiarazione di guerra tra [[:it:Gran_Bretagna|Gran Bretagna]] e Francia, dopo le reciproche accuse di violazione degli accordi sanciti con il [[:it:Trattato_di_Amiens_(1802)|trattato di Amiens]], evento che pose termine all'unico periodo di pace generalizzata in Europa tra il 1792 e il 1814. Un'ultima data di inizio proposta è il 2 dicembre [[:it:1804|1804]], giorno nel quale Napoleone si incoronò imperatore. Le guerre napoleoniche ebbero termine dopo la disfatta finale di Napoleone nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Waterloo|battaglia di Waterloo]] il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] e il [[:it:Trattato_di_Parigi_(1815)|secondo Trattato di Parigi]].

Il periodo che va dal 20 aprile del [[:it:1792|1792]] al 20 novembre [[:it:1815|1815]] viene anche indicato con il termine di "[[:it:Grande_guerra_francese|grande guerra francese]]"}}

La '''battaglia di Lipsia''' (16-19 ottobre, [[:it:1813|1813]]), conosciuta anche come la '''battaglia delle nazioni''' (''Völkerschlacht bei Leipzig'' in [[:it:Lingua_tedesca|tedesco]]), fu lo scontro più grande, in termini di forze impegnate e di perdite subite dalle due parti, verificatosi durante le [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]] e una delle sconfitte decisive subite da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]]. Determinò la disfatta francese nella campagna di [[:it:Germania|Germania]], costrinse l'imperatore ad una difficile ritirata fino in [[:it:Francia|Francia]] e provocò il crollo definitivo del sistema di alleanze organizzato da Napoleone in [[:it:Europa|Europa]]. La battaglia, combattuta con grande accanimento dalle due parti, vide per la prima volta la partecipazione contemporanea sul campo della massa degli eserciti delle potenze europee continentali anti-francesi ([[:it:Russia|Russia]], [[:it:Prussia|Prussia]], [[:it:Austria|Austria]] e [[:it:Svezia|Svezia]]) ed il suo esito venne determinato soprattutto dalla netta superiorità numerica dei coalizzati. [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:La '''battaglia di Waterloo''' (denominata inizialmente dai francesi '''battaglia di Mont Saint-Jean''' e dai prussiani '''battaglia di Belle-Alliance''') si svolse il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] durante la guerra della [[:it:Settima_coalizione|Settima coalizione]] fra le truppe francesi guidate da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] e gli eserciti britannici del [[:it:Arthur_Wellesley,_I_duca_di_Wellington|Duca di Wellington]] e prussiano del [[:it:Feldmaresciallo|feldmaresciallo]] [[:it:Gebhard_Leberecht_von_Blücher|Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher]]. Fu una delle più combattute e sanguinose battaglie delle [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]], nonché l'ultima battaglia di Napoleone, segnando la sua definitiva sconfitta e il conseguente [[:it:Esilio|esilio]] a [[:it:Sant'Elena_(isola)|Sant'Elena]]. La battaglia in realtà ebbe luogo nel territorio del villaggio di [[:it:Mont-Saint-Jean_(Belgio)|Mont-Saint-Jean]], situato alcuni chilometri a sud della cittadina di [[:it:Waterloo|Waterloo]], nella quale si trovava il quartier generale del Duca di Wellington.
:Dopo la fuga di Napoleone dall'[[:it:Isola_d'Elba|isola d'Elba]] nel marzo 1815, numerosi Stati europei si unirono in un'alleanza militare dando vita alla settima coalizione, con lo scopo di sconfiggere definitivamente l'imperatore francese. Napoleone decise di attaccare di sorpresa i due eserciti che [[:it:Regno_Unito|Regno Unito]] e [[:it:Regno_di_Prussia|Prussia]] avevano raggruppato in [[:it:Belgio|Belgio]]; l'imperatore sperava di raggiungere una rapida vittoria sfruttando la scarsa coesione dei suoi avversari.
:Due giorni prima di Waterloo i francesi avevano sconfitto i prussiani nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Ligny|battaglia di Ligny]], ma Wellington, informato che Blücher era riuscito a riorganizzare il suo esercito e sembrava intenzionato a marciare in suo aiuto, prese la decisione di rischiare una battaglia contro le forze di Napoleone. Il generale britannico schierò i suoi uomini in difesa lungo la scarpata di Mont-Saint-Jean, vicino alla strada per [[:it:Bruxelles|Bruxelles]], confidando nell'aiuto dei prussiani. Napoleone sferrò una serie di sanguinosi attacchi contro le linee britanniche a partire dalle ore 11:30 e nel tardo pomeriggio sembrò vicino alla vittoria, ma l'ostinata resistenza del nemico e l'arrivo in massa dei prussiani decisero alla fine la battaglia a favore dei coalizzati.
:Ancora oggi nei pressi di Waterloo è ricordata la grande battaglia con una serie di monumenti, ed esiste un museo dedicato al famoso scontro. L'intera zona è un parco storico. [[Special:Contributions/217.115.65.7|217.115.65.7]] ([[User talk:217.115.65.7|talk]]) 15:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:Oscar [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:26, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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== Trying out stuffs ==

Does it allow for notifications? [[Special:Contributions/106.51.23.82|106.51.23.82]] ([[User talk:106.51.23.82|talk]]) 06:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

== Tryin' Stuffs ==
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Was wondering if I it would be possible to link topics!

[[Topic:U3fyg4mylxms8p1f]] [[Special:Contributions/103.48.91.164|103.48.91.164]] ([[User talk:103.48.91.164|talk]]) 12:07, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
:sadads [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406]] ([[User talk:2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|talk]]) 19:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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== NWE ==
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2017 NWE ! '''Bold''' ''Italic'' [[Main]] [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 16:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:everysite {{FlowMention|Zixuan75}} Zixuan 01:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
:tegel [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:31, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Neues Topik ==
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:{{FlowMention|Lorentz21}} kann ganz toll Fett und Kursiv und Hyperverknüpfungen [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:::- [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
::↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:43, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
::←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←← [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:E.T. nach Hause telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:telefonieren telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/115.164.205.141|115.164.205.141]] ([[User talk:115.164.205.141|talk]]) 07:50, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:Test
:Test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
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== Test ==

hello what [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== test test ==

test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:58, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
:test
:test
:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== are you kidding me? ==
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no [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 11:22, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
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== How many ppl should learn cpr ==

How many ppl should learn cpr ?

With all these school shootings /[https://northeastcprclass.com/]{{FlowMention|Northeast cpr class}} [[User:Northeast cpr class|Northeast cpr class]] ([[User talk:Northeast cpr class|talk]]) 17:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== jipva ==

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[[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

== T193351 ==
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* Parent bullet point Insert paragraphc<pre>
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** child bullet point [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 22:40, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Is this feature convenient and easy to use (even for old editors)? ==

Let me try this feature.

Would old editors consent to adopt this feature to my homewiki, i wonder... [[User:Miya|miya]] ([[User talk:Miya|talk]]) 01:44, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
:Hey! Happy to see you testing. If you have any question, please ask. :) [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 09:13, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

== test ==
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:test [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
::reply(2) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
:reply(1) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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== ASI ES Q SE GOBIERNA XD ==
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AS [[Special:Contributions/186.24.37.129|186.24.37.129]] ([[User talk:186.24.37.129|talk]]) 18:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
::zzz [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
:test reply [[User:Ephemeralwaves|Ephemeralwaves]] ([[User talk:Ephemeralwaves|talk]]) 20:34, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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== Nyt emne 2 ==

:Her er tekst til et nyt emne [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::A reply. [[Special:Contributions/86.16.88.183|86.16.88.183]] ([[User talk:86.16.88.183|talk]]) 17:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:Her er et svar [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:Og et svar til svaret [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::afdadf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::faaaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:2 year ago [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== Driftsbesked Test ==
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Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:faf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::999 [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::888
:: [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:::qqq [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::afaff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:afafaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Driftsbesked 2.2 ==
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:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:42, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::what [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:nu er det løst [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:This is how it is when you reply. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Test ==

:{{subst:null}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 23:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
::ok [[Special:Contributions/94.230.144.37|94.230.144.37]] ([[User talk:94.230.144.37|talk]]) 22:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
:::adff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::Ano, ok! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::aaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:You need to [[Help:Structured Discussions/Quick tour#basics|go through wikitext input]] to ''subst'' a template. Visual mode is not supporting it. [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
:Zkouška! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:50, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

== change title ==
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:teste [[User:Rafa002|Rafa002]] ([[User talk:Rafa002|talk]]) 22:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
::yyy [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:aaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Test topic ==
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:Test reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
::Test reply to the reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:Second message [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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== My new topic ==
{{Flow summary|Tassanee14@sai.net}}

:Reply to my new topic [[User:Yuatcha|Yuatcha]] ([[User talk:Yuatcha|talk]]) 11:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
::why no reply [[Special:Contributions/152.117.97.7|152.117.97.7]] ([[User talk:152.117.97.7|talk]]) 20:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==

:a [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::hmm [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:56, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:dsa [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

This feature is pretty cool. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 06:40, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:{{support}} this is how the template would look. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:12, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:i dont like this tallk page thing [[Special:Contributions/185.229.4.5|185.229.4.5]] ([[User talk:185.229.4.5|talk]]) 13:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
:Testando [[Special:Contributions/200.201.163.73|200.201.163.73]] ([[User talk:200.201.163.73|talk]]) 19:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

== TEST -this is a question i have ==
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this is test text [[Special:Contributions/4.31.159.194|4.31.159.194]] ([[User talk:4.31.159.194|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hi. this is test [[User:Ավետիսյան91|Ավետիսյան91]] ([[User talk:Ավետիսյան91|talk]]) 14:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Hello ==
{{Flow summary|my}}

:Just checking it out [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::WTH ?? [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
::answer to answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
:Hi ! [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hello [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== test ==
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Hello word [[Special:Contributions/89.187.165.139|89.187.165.139]] ([[User talk:89.187.165.139|talk]]) 23:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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== {{subst:PU brouillon}} ==
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{{subst:PU brouillon}} [[User:Kirham|Kirham]] ([[User talk:Kirham|talk]]) 01:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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== My Project summary ==

This is my Project summary

 [[User:Kazo104|Kazo104]] ([[User talk:Kazo104|talk]]) 21:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
:What [[Special:Contributions/2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96]] ([[User talk:2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|talk]]) 13:32, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
:ok boomer [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 14:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
:test [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:TEST [[Special:Contributions/2.30.164.193|2.30.164.193]] ([[User talk:2.30.164.193|talk]]) 22:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

== test topic sandbox ==

:First message [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Reply to second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:First reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:A marginal em nosso ecossistema é importante para o avanço de inovações tecnológicas e transforma a visão de outras possibilidades com atalhos abrindo novos caminhos e melhorando o fluxo planetário. [[Special:Contributions/2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2]] ([[User talk:2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|talk]]) 07:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

== test ==

:hay yaa [[Special:Contributions/93.132.30.210|93.132.30.210]] ([[User talk:93.132.30.210|talk]]) 10:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Me gusta [[Special:Contributions/2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985]] ([[User talk:2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|talk]]) 00:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:( Ref. 2020-04-05 08:51:31 +0900_8ca9bfa0c9f1 )
: [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5]] ([[User talk:2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|talk]]) 04:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

== Digital Hermit ==
{{Flow summary|A.sai.com

Sai.net{{FlowMention|Tassanee14}}}}

Hi IOIUOIU Oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuoiuoiuoiu oiuoiu oiuoiu oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuoiu.

Yiuyiuyiuyiuy ooiuoiuoiu uoiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuo gfgfdgfd . [[Special:Contributions/2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7]] ([[User talk:2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|talk]]) 03:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
:ha ha hah hah hah hahhhh hahahahahahahahah [[Special:Contributions/2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490]] ([[User talk:2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|talk]]) 06:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== {{subst:(}}{subst:test}{{subst:)}} ~~{{subst:(}}{subst:#if:1|}{{subst:)}}~~ ==

{{subst:test}} ~~{{subst:#if:1|}}~~ [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:40, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:<div style="background-color:#FFFFFF; padding: 1.2rem; margin-top: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #c8ccd1; border-top-color:#36C; border-top-width: .4rem; border-radius: .20rem; box-shadow: 2px 2px #F7F8F9;">Thank you for experimenting with MediaWiki.org. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use [[Project:Sandbox|the sandbox]], [[Structured Discussions/Sandbox|Structured Discussions sandbox]] or the [[VisualEditor:Test|VisualEditor test page]] for any other tests you may want to do. If you want to contribute, please read [[Project:About]]. </div> [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{subst:null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:43, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

== Test topic ==

This is a topic [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
:Yep, this makes sense. [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

== Topic of testing ==

Testing [[User:Bedeezy|Bedeezy]] ([[User talk:Bedeezy|talk]]) 02:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

== 1 ==

According to WP the original song “ Born to be Wild” was written and sung by The band Stepenwolf. I don’t think that that’s true. I heard an original song from the late 1950’s. I don’t know the band’s name but all the same I was surprised that they were singing the song “Born to be Wild“. Please check this out thanks CG Osbun. [[User:C.G.Osbun|C.G.Osbun]] ([[User talk:C.G.Osbun|talk]]) 16:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|C.G.Osbun}} This page is a Sandbox on mediawiki.org. Whatever "WP" page you refer to, please bring it up on that WP page. Thanks [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 11:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== سیسیسسیس ==

یسیسیسیس [[Special:Contributions/5.116.60.95|5.116.60.95]] ([[User talk:5.116.60.95|talk]]) 11:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:Ŷŷỳÿýý6yēêèëé3ee [[Special:Contributions/2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0]] ([[User talk:2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|talk]]) 19:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== AbUsE ==

Some persons abuse the sandbook [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Ohhhh its ok [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:I am going to help you :) [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Please, i want help [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:azda [[Special:Contributions/84.192.172.225|84.192.172.225]] ([[User talk:84.192.172.225|talk]]) 17:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "
:[[AbUsE]]" [[Special:Contributions/207.167.28.130|207.167.28.130]] ([[User talk:207.167.28.130|talk]]) 21:49, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
:Uh [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:IEDA ULANM [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
:Ava>او
:ان 》》》》 ov
:<code> انها ovn</code>
:
:<code> این iu </code>
:<code> اینها iuan</code> [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

== Flow test ==
{{Flow summary|Sai.net@a.sai.com}}

:test [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::this is reply.'''굵게''' [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{skin}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{tl|asdf}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:цуцуауцауц [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== NEPRINATE DŽAVE 2020 ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

NEPRIZNATE DRŽAVE 2020 [[User:Perirrr|Perirrr]] ([[User talk:Perirrr|talk]]) 12:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== testing... ==
{{Archive top|result=test over|status=resolved}}

testing... [[User:Prahlad balaji|Prahlad balaji]] ([[User talk:Prahlad balaji|talk]]) 16:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== be ==

==h1==

===h2===

===h3=== [[Special:Contributions/79.249.159.6|79.249.159.6]] ([[User talk:79.249.159.6|talk]]) 14:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:Thank [[Special:Contributions/69.160.29.44|69.160.29.44]] ([[User talk:69.160.29.44|talk]]) 06:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
:ЯЧСимЧСитСЛижзСОМТВмв [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== стттс ==

сисисиси [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:тстстс [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Indentation [[User:Gikü|Gikü]] ([[User talk:Gikü|talk]]) 23:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
:хйкфй вкхййк якйкв ио49умнвлкиия кухяук кйхвяук дяйлкйя кйявйукх лйяв ххув... [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== March forward! ==

Towards revolution! [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Oh, cool. [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

== test topic ==

test [[Special:Contributions/202.89.149.165|202.89.149.165]] ([[User talk:202.89.149.165|talk]]) 16:48, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply [[Special:Contributions/213.205.240.53|213.205.240.53]] ([[User talk:213.205.240.53|talk]]) 16:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Another reply
:*because [[Special:Contributions/109.158.244.154|109.158.244.154]] ([[User talk:109.158.244.154|talk]]) 17:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

== Start a new topic ==
{{Flow summary|Describe briefly the outcome of this discussion}}

Post a new message to "Structured Discussions/Sandbox" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "Start a new topic" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:<figure-inline>[[File:WinCo Foods (7573061444).jpg|700x700px]]</figure-inline> [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:DISPLAYTITLE
:DISPLAYTITLE doesn't work here [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{Topic:Vzhky43uhexaupca}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/es}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/fr}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/de}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/it}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{FULLPAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
::yes [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test
:[[Category:Test]] [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:09, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:[[Structured Discussions/Sandbox]] [[Special:Contributions/92.236.80.188|92.236.80.188]] ([[User talk:92.236.80.188|talk]]) 13:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Bar & Foo ==

Further testing of said ampersand-encoding bug. [[User:Krinkle|Krinkle]] ([[User talk:Krinkle|talk]]) 05:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
:example. com, mycomp.test.com, localhost [[Special:Contributions/37.239.78.45|37.239.78.45]] ([[User talk:37.239.78.45|talk]]) 23:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

== Foo2 ==
{{Archive top|result=Test over.|status=resolved}}

==Heading==
{{Lorem}}

<del>Waiting...</del><ins>Done!</ins>

===List 1===
*1
*2
**2-1
**2-2
*3

===List 2===
#1
#2
#3
##3-1
#4

===Table===
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible"
|+table
|-
!1
!2
!3
|-
|1-1
|1-2
|1-3
|-
| colspan="2" |2-1
|2-2
|-
|3-1
|3-2
|3-3
|} [[User:Aunst|Aunst]] ([[User talk:Aunst|talk]]) 01:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Barr ==

over-link [[Special:Contributions/140.213.69.53|140.213.69.53]] ([[User talk:140.213.69.53|talk]]) 13:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

== Country ==

local [[Special:Contributions/114.125.249.227|114.125.249.227]] ([[User talk:114.125.249.227|talk]]) 20:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== re ==

inpage [[Special:Contributions/140.213.35.133|140.213.35.133]] ([[User talk:140.213.35.133|talk]]) 10:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

== Not Appl. ==

test [[Special:Contributions/140.213.71.120|140.213.71.120]] ([[User talk:140.213.71.120|talk]]) 16:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hmm how ip addresse is this. [[Special:Contributions/67.5.25.104|67.5.25.104]] ([[User talk:67.5.25.104|talk]]) 16:50, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:This is my real ip address yes? [[Special:Contributions/50.204.33.172|50.204.33.172]] ([[User talk:50.204.33.172|talk]]) 22:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
:very much so. [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
::ikkk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:16, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:ikk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, I just want to check how it works. [[Special:Contributions/109.173.212.8|109.173.212.8]] ([[User talk:109.173.212.8|talk]]) 20:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

== why i hate x ==

x i extremely y. i hate how x makes z so much worse! grr. anger. grrrrrrr [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 19:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
:one list in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list1 item2
:</div>
:two lists in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list2 item2
:</div> [[Special:Contributions/90.227.175.244|90.227.175.244]] ([[User talk:90.227.175.244|talk]]) 09:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
:i agree, but you must realise, y is a very important problem! [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== test for structured discussion ==

:test for discussion [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::keep going [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:is it structured [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:second reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

== hjj ==

:hh [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
::hhjjj [[User:Acristalia|Acristalia]] ([[User talk:Acristalia|talk]]) 12:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
:ayshejrj [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Structured discussions test ==

Testing a new topic in Structured Discussions [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Dummy, Accidentally typed an F when unhiding [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Just let me test ==
{{Flow summary|Thanks for the update on a non-IFRS operating table style flavorless it was.}}

Testing wikicode: 
{{clear}}
{{reply to|a}} [[MediaWiki]]
<div style="border:1px solid dodgerblue">test</div>
[[User:Atomi20|Atomi20]] ([[User talk:Atomi20|talk]]) 20:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
:ok [[Special:Contributions/2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD]] ([[User talk:2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|talk]]) 22:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Test}} [[User:Dylsss|Dylsss]] ([[User talk:Dylsss|talk]]) 04:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==

Привет [[User:DecabristM|DecabristM]] ([[User talk:DecabristM|talk]]) 10:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== The world ended in the matrix ==

Machines created better singularity, DISOBEDIENCE [[Special:Contributions/41.113.155.229|41.113.155.229]] ([[User talk:41.113.155.229|talk]]) 23:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

Hello, this is a test [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|talk]]) 11:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hello,
:You tested this function. And it works fine! [[User:Wipala|Wipala]] ([[User talk:Wipala|talk]]) 09:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
::New [[User:Wikidonez|Wikidonez]] ([[User talk:Wikidonez|talk]]) 00:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
:nice! [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
[[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
:sitna [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 18:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
:حذف [[Special:Contributions/37.237.29.20|37.237.29.20]] ([[User talk:37.237.29.20|talk]]) 13:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

== Test ==
{{Archive top|result=Summaries lol

Yes!|status=resolved}}

Test

{{Tl|t}}

Test '''bold''' ''i'' {{#if: 1|yes}} [[w:]] [[User:SuperDragonXD|SuperDragonXD]] ([[User talk:SuperDragonXD|talk]]) 03:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== 01010101 ==
{{Archive top|result={{done}} lol|status=resolved}}

hello [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 04:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Cicero’s social theory ==
{{Flow summary|'''test''' how it looks like}}

What is his social theory? [[Special:Contributions/39.41.252.146|39.41.252.146]] ([[User talk:39.41.252.146|talk]]) 17:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/65.89.208.4|65.89.208.4]] ([[User talk:65.89.208.4|talk]]) 19:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== delete ==

[[User:Cignaciogarcia|Cignaciogarcia]] ([[User talk:Cignaciogarcia|talk]]) 13:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:.x/dx
:4d45d66f5f6565d66s+w69ed9ed69ed65ed6sw6w5ed.,kelrkjwhyqi [[Special:Contributions/69.125.127.253|69.125.127.253]] ([[User talk:69.125.127.253|talk]]) 14:05, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== This is my very cool discussion topic! ==

Bing social is really fun :) [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:This is a really neat feature! [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Testing out if I can post using it. [[User:ThisCarthing|ThisCarthing]] ([[User talk:ThisCarthing|talk]]) 21:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== where to eat? ==

this is a test question about where to eat [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:11, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
:outside [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
::in [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
::ner [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Yhu [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:At the food store [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF]] ([[User talk:2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|talk]]) 02:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
:um... cool [[Special:Contributions/100.11.109.128|100.11.109.128]] ([[User talk:100.11.109.128|talk]]) 13:14, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[T324416 test]] [[User:Tgr (WMF)|Tgr (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Tgr (WMF)|talk]]) 01:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
:Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:103.214.70.34 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:3005.5678.6754.kkk879.0078 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

== Red link bug ==

[[this is a red link!]] [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 10:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== SI axial shoulder x-ray view angle ==

The suggested angle is from 5 degrees to 15 degrees. What determines the angle to choose? Why choose 5 versus 15? [[Special:Contributions/204.10.247.1|204.10.247.1]] ([[User talk:204.10.247.1|talk]]) 18:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

== hi ==

hello [[Special:Contributions/90.115.177.142|90.115.177.142]] ([[User talk:90.115.177.142|talk]]) 13:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:prova [[Special:Contributions/147.161.244.179|147.161.244.179]] ([[User talk:147.161.244.179|talk]]) 13:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
:I tebi [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== water chamipion ==

Water chamipion ok welcome to UserID: 46492673 /Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:15676.7116.78935.IbsaMohammed45.5678 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Testing ==

:Fooo [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar2 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar4 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
:baaar [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

== How do you . . .? ==
{{Flow summary|To wiggle the woggle, squeeze the squ

imple.

Sai.net@a.sai.com}}

:If you are trying to add a doodaa to a whatzit how is that done? Especially if the doodaa is in the ojimaflip category. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::well, that would be telling. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:In my experience you can add it via the watchamacallit page. Making sure you have ticked the box. See this [[Page Previews/ja|page]] in the docs for further info. . . [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:But if you do that then you can't express how to wiggle the woogle. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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== gsdf ==
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:fdsfsd [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
::fdsfsdfds [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
::fsdfsdsdfsdf [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:::dfdfdf [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:::test [[Special:Contributions/90.54.143.13|90.54.143.13]] ([[User talk:90.54.143.13|talk]]) 19:12, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::sdfsdfdsf [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:49, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:::dfdfefref [[Special:Contributions/95.8.136.237|95.8.136.237]] ([[User talk:95.8.136.237|talk]]) 00:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
:::nnnnn [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
::ger [[Special:Contributions/82.75.37.13|82.75.37.13]] ([[User talk:82.75.37.13|talk]]) 10:54, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
::reg [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:03, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:fsdsfdfsdsfdfds [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:fdsg [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 16:45, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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== ehreherh ==
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herrheeh [[Special:Contributions/82.75.37.13|82.75.37.13]] ([[User talk:82.75.37.13|talk]]) 10:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Visserie envisagée non standard ==
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:Je viens de m’apercevoir que la visserie qu'on avait envisagée n'existe pas en standard/ Je pensais prendre du M6 mais ce boulon demande une longueur de vis de 82 mini. Le problème alors est que la poutre envisagée ne convient plus car écrou trop grands (sauf si on passe à une fixation avec un boulon mais à mon sens, c'est pas recommandé) [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
::cette config de visserie n'intervient qu'en bout de poutre, on peut donc utiliser des vis plus courtes que l'on insère par l'intérieur de la grande poutre. [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:Ok, ça marche finalement. En effet essayons de n'avoir que des pièces standards.
:Une autre solution aurait pu être une tige filetée serrée de chaque côté par un écrou. Je post au cas où ce problème se représenterait à un autre endroit [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Yes yo ==

Napalım simdi deniyoruz işte [[Special:Contributions/176.42.57.185|176.42.57.185]] ([[User talk:176.42.57.185|talk]]) 10:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:oh this looks good! [[Special:Contributions/176.96.154.4|176.96.154.4]] ([[User talk:176.96.154.4|talk]]) 19:46, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:yoyo [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:trial [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:new trial [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:oO [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:^_^ [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:mooh [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
::Good [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
::Why not? [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:Test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
:Yay [[User:Rtyu1120|Rtyu1120]] ([[User talk:Rtyu1120|talk]]) 20:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:Nice [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 14:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== That's so nice. ==

That's better making mediawiki.. [[User:SirMeows|SirMeows]] ([[User talk:SirMeows|talk]]) 16:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
:[[Sources of information|sou]]{{FlowMention|SirMeows}}didier [[Special:Contributions/80.215.210.0|80.215.210.0]] ([[User talk:80.215.210.0|talk]]) 10:23, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

== you sure ==

:asdasd? [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::ngdq!ghukhg [[Special:Contributions/85.140.79.216|85.140.79.216]] ([[User talk:85.140.79.216|talk]]) 13:07, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
::Nice try [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:13, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:nope [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:hhh [[Special:Contributions/83.11.11.75|83.11.11.75]] ([[User talk:83.11.11.75|talk]]) 16:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
:ав [[Special:Contributions/78.139.120.176|78.139.120.176]] ([[User talk:78.139.120.176|talk]]) 16:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

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__NOTOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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__TOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

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__FORCETOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:59, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

== This is pretty awesome!! ==

Lovin' it :P [[Special:Contributions/79.66.162.66|79.66.162.66]] ([[User talk:79.66.162.66|talk]]) 20:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

== Testing out Flow! ==

This is pretty darn cool yo. [[User:OShehata (WMF)|OShehata (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OShehata (WMF)|talk]]) 16:17, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

== whohaa ==

??? [[Special:Contributions/89.245.215.22|89.245.215.22]] ([[User talk:89.245.215.22|talk]]) 14:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

== The Fly ==

Little Fly

Thy summer's play,

My thoughtless hand

Has brush'd away.

Am not I

A fly like thee?

Or art not thou

A man like me?

For I dance

And drink & sing;

Till some blind hand

Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life

And strength & breath;

And the want

Of thought is death;

Then am I

A happy fly,

If I live,

Or if I die. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000]] ([[User talk:2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|talk]]) 14:49, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

== chatbox ==

everyone chat hear [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
:hi [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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:It is possible to use Structured Discussions without JavaScript or on a text-only browser. [[Special:Contributions/194.9.245.19|194.9.245.19]] ([[User talk:194.9.245.19|talk]]) 13:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
:this default plugin? [[Special:Contributions/198.204.74.254|198.204.74.254]] ([[User talk:198.204.74.254|talk]]) 20:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:yes. defaule plugin
:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== hummm testing ==

bla bla blaaaa [[Special:Contributions/176.147.214.24|176.147.214.24]] ([[User talk:176.147.214.24|talk]]) 18:56, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

== Cosa è? Chi lo sa? asd. ==
{{Flow summary|Questa è tecnologia che miagola.}}

bla bla bla :)

{{FlowMention|Valerio Bozzolan}}, {{FlowMention|Yuma}}

{{FlowMention|Windino}} [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:''Ops'' [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:Questa cosa mi fa paura. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:cosa è :) ? [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
::È [[Flow]], una cosa che fa cose, e le fa bene, solo che mi fa paura. asd.
::Naturalmente ho già scritto questo messaggio. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

== deneme ==

asdfg [[User:Haticetekin|Haticetekin]] ([[User talk:Haticetekin|talk]]) 21:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:ghrh [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Lorem ipsum ==

Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium doloremque laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur? [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Yuma}} [[Fewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfwf|fewwwwwwwwwwwww'''wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfw''']] [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Something exciting ==

This is something exciting. [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
:Looks great! [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== my new topic ==

this is a new topic checking if it becomes global [[User:Aabcde1|Aabcde1]] ([[User talk:Aabcde1|talk]]) 02:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

== Wikivoyage ==

Hello, {{FlowMention|LPfi}}, and welcome to Flow.

I like your improvements to [[Wikivoyage:en:Kungsleden|Kungsleden]] at Wikivoyage. I see that the prices are listed in Swedish kroner. It seems like it would attract a lot of non-Swedish travelers. Do you think that the prices should include a conversion to Euros or maybe US dollars? {{FlowMention|Pashley}} or {{FlowMention|Ground Zero}} probably know what the usual policy is; I can't remember it. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 14:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:i heard name mentioned. 😀 We should just post prices in the local currency. Exchange rates for the kroner fluctuate, so putting in other currencies in each article would be adding info that will be out of date quickly. We keep exchange rates on each country's page, e.g. Sweden, in the "Buy" section. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 14:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the reply. That approach makes sense to me. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 03:30, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:صورسيكس [[Special:Contributions/129.45.77.68|129.45.77.68]] ([[User talk:129.45.77.68|talk]]) 01:55, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

== Sanity test ==
{{Flow summary|This is great}}

1

2 [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 22:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/212.88.0.205|212.88.0.205]] ([[User talk:212.88.0.205|talk]]) 15:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
:Testing this [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
::Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|LIVE NIEUWS}} Great! [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:36, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
::Ja [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:38, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

== New topic ==

Test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

== [https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[test]] [[en:test]] ==

test.
[https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== {{!}} {{PAGENAME}} ==
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test {{PAGENAME}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:54, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{-}} test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:33, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== /* Test */ ==

test [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 15:03, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Goodmorning everyone ==
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This a test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:04, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:05, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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== Frage Nummer eins ==
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:Meine Meinung... [[Special:Contributions/188.98.69.56|188.98.69.56]] ([[User talk:188.98.69.56|talk]]) 16:20, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
::sdasdsdsdsd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Why not? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Ask number one. [[Special:Contributions/76.121.184.58|76.121.184.58]] ([[User talk:76.121.184.58|talk]]) 06:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:::test2 [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
::Why? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::test3
:: [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:sdsadsadasd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:sandbox [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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== qasdsasdasd ==

fdsfdsfdsf [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

== asdf ==
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message here [[cnn.com]] [[Special:Contributions/174.45.249.148|174.45.249.148]] ([[User talk:174.45.249.148|talk]]) 23:29, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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== rsaaergea ==
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vfasbresb [[User:MaxSem|Max Semenik]] ([[User talk:MaxSem|talk]]) 18:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
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== Testing whether wikitext is parsed in a notification ==

Hi there, this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:22, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:Er.. except that I forgot to add the link. :P [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Flow/Sandbox|Olá]] essa é a base de conhecimento! (link) ==

This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== Тест {{subst:PAGENAME}} ==
{{Flow summary|😢}}

Тест — тест – тест - тест — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 2 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

== Can you add a point here? ==

posting somethingP [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:I agree with thatI [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== hola from Spain ==

Hola is how Spanish say hello [[Special:Contributions/193.145.201.52|193.145.201.52]] ([[User talk:193.145.201.52|talk]]) 11:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:<nowiki>hola from Spain</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:[[#flow-post-u79uaif6gkujjxuk|test]] [[User:Tubezlob|Tubezlob]] ([[User talk:Tubezlob|talk]]) 15:56, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== ATS_TEST_FLOW_STRUCTURED DISCUSSION ==
{{Flow summary|'''Guerre napoleoniche''' è il termine usato per definire l'insieme delle [[:it:Guerra|guerre]] combattute in [[:it:Europa|Europa]] nel periodo in cui [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] governò la [[:it:Francia|Francia]]. Furono in parte un'estensione delle [[:it:Guerre_rivoluzionarie_francesi|guerre rivoluzionarie]] innescate dalla [[:it:Rivoluzione_francese|rivoluzione francese]] e continuarono durante tutto il [[:it:Primo_Impero_francese|Primo Impero francese]].

Non esiste un consenso unanime nello stabilire quando si possano ritenere concluse le guerre rivoluzionarie francesi e cominciate quelle riconducibili a Napoleone Bonaparte. Una data possibile di inizio di queste ultime è il 9 novembre [[:it:1799|1799]], giorno in cui Bonaparte salì al potere in Francia con il [[:it:Colpo_di_Stato_del_18_brumaio|colpo di Stato del 18 brumaio]]. La data di inizio usata più comunemente è il 18 maggio [[:it:1803|1803]], in occasione della rinnovata dichiarazione di guerra tra [[:it:Gran_Bretagna|Gran Bretagna]] e Francia, dopo le reciproche accuse di violazione degli accordi sanciti con il [[:it:Trattato_di_Amiens_(1802)|trattato di Amiens]], evento che pose termine all'unico periodo di pace generalizzata in Europa tra il 1792 e il 1814. Un'ultima data di inizio proposta è il 2 dicembre [[:it:1804|1804]], giorno nel quale Napoleone si incoronò imperatore. Le guerre napoleoniche ebbero termine dopo la disfatta finale di Napoleone nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Waterloo|battaglia di Waterloo]] il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] e il [[:it:Trattato_di_Parigi_(1815)|secondo Trattato di Parigi]].

Il periodo che va dal 20 aprile del [[:it:1792|1792]] al 20 novembre [[:it:1815|1815]] viene anche indicato con il termine di "[[:it:Grande_guerra_francese|grande guerra francese]]"}}

La '''battaglia di Lipsia''' (16-19 ottobre, [[:it:1813|1813]]), conosciuta anche come la '''battaglia delle nazioni''' (''Völkerschlacht bei Leipzig'' in [[:it:Lingua_tedesca|tedesco]]), fu lo scontro più grande, in termini di forze impegnate e di perdite subite dalle due parti, verificatosi durante le [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]] e una delle sconfitte decisive subite da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]]. Determinò la disfatta francese nella campagna di [[:it:Germania|Germania]], costrinse l'imperatore ad una difficile ritirata fino in [[:it:Francia|Francia]] e provocò il crollo definitivo del sistema di alleanze organizzato da Napoleone in [[:it:Europa|Europa]]. La battaglia, combattuta con grande accanimento dalle due parti, vide per la prima volta la partecipazione contemporanea sul campo della massa degli eserciti delle potenze europee continentali anti-francesi ([[:it:Russia|Russia]], [[:it:Prussia|Prussia]], [[:it:Austria|Austria]] e [[:it:Svezia|Svezia]]) ed il suo esito venne determinato soprattutto dalla netta superiorità numerica dei coalizzati. [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:La '''battaglia di Waterloo''' (denominata inizialmente dai francesi '''battaglia di Mont Saint-Jean''' e dai prussiani '''battaglia di Belle-Alliance''') si svolse il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] durante la guerra della [[:it:Settima_coalizione|Settima coalizione]] fra le truppe francesi guidate da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] e gli eserciti britannici del [[:it:Arthur_Wellesley,_I_duca_di_Wellington|Duca di Wellington]] e prussiano del [[:it:Feldmaresciallo|feldmaresciallo]] [[:it:Gebhard_Leberecht_von_Blücher|Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher]]. Fu una delle più combattute e sanguinose battaglie delle [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]], nonché l'ultima battaglia di Napoleone, segnando la sua definitiva sconfitta e il conseguente [[:it:Esilio|esilio]] a [[:it:Sant'Elena_(isola)|Sant'Elena]]. La battaglia in realtà ebbe luogo nel territorio del villaggio di [[:it:Mont-Saint-Jean_(Belgio)|Mont-Saint-Jean]], situato alcuni chilometri a sud della cittadina di [[:it:Waterloo|Waterloo]], nella quale si trovava il quartier generale del Duca di Wellington.
:Dopo la fuga di Napoleone dall'[[:it:Isola_d'Elba|isola d'Elba]] nel marzo 1815, numerosi Stati europei si unirono in un'alleanza militare dando vita alla settima coalizione, con lo scopo di sconfiggere definitivamente l'imperatore francese. Napoleone decise di attaccare di sorpresa i due eserciti che [[:it:Regno_Unito|Regno Unito]] e [[:it:Regno_di_Prussia|Prussia]] avevano raggruppato in [[:it:Belgio|Belgio]]; l'imperatore sperava di raggiungere una rapida vittoria sfruttando la scarsa coesione dei suoi avversari.
:Due giorni prima di Waterloo i francesi avevano sconfitto i prussiani nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Ligny|battaglia di Ligny]], ma Wellington, informato che Blücher era riuscito a riorganizzare il suo esercito e sembrava intenzionato a marciare in suo aiuto, prese la decisione di rischiare una battaglia contro le forze di Napoleone. Il generale britannico schierò i suoi uomini in difesa lungo la scarpata di Mont-Saint-Jean, vicino alla strada per [[:it:Bruxelles|Bruxelles]], confidando nell'aiuto dei prussiani. Napoleone sferrò una serie di sanguinosi attacchi contro le linee britanniche a partire dalle ore 11:30 e nel tardo pomeriggio sembrò vicino alla vittoria, ma l'ostinata resistenza del nemico e l'arrivo in massa dei prussiani decisero alla fine la battaglia a favore dei coalizzati.
:Ancora oggi nei pressi di Waterloo è ricordata la grande battaglia con una serie di monumenti, ed esiste un museo dedicato al famoso scontro. L'intera zona è un parco storico. [[Special:Contributions/217.115.65.7|217.115.65.7]] ([[User talk:217.115.65.7|talk]]) 15:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:Oscar [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:26, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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== Trying out stuffs ==

Does it allow for notifications? [[Special:Contributions/106.51.23.82|106.51.23.82]] ([[User talk:106.51.23.82|talk]]) 06:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

== Tryin' Stuffs ==
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Was wondering if I it would be possible to link topics!

[[Topic:U3fyg4mylxms8p1f]] [[Special:Contributions/103.48.91.164|103.48.91.164]] ([[User talk:103.48.91.164|talk]]) 12:07, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
:sadads [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406]] ([[User talk:2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|talk]]) 19:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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== NWE ==
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2017 NWE ! '''Bold''' ''Italic'' [[Main]] [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 16:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:everysite {{FlowMention|Zixuan75}} Zixuan 01:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
:tegel [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:31, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Neues Topik ==
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:{{FlowMention|Lorentz21}} kann ganz toll Fett und Kursiv und Hyperverknüpfungen [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:::- [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
::↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:43, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
::←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←← [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:E.T. nach Hause telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:telefonieren telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/115.164.205.141|115.164.205.141]] ([[User talk:115.164.205.141|talk]]) 07:50, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:Test
:Test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
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== Test ==

hello what [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== test test ==

test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:58, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
:test
:test
:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== are you kidding me? ==
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no [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 11:22, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
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== How many ppl should learn cpr ==

How many ppl should learn cpr ?

With all these school shootings /[https://northeastcprclass.com/]{{FlowMention|Northeast cpr class}} [[User:Northeast cpr class|Northeast cpr class]] ([[User talk:Northeast cpr class|talk]]) 17:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== jipva ==

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[[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

== T193351 ==
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** child bullet point [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 22:40, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Is this feature convenient and easy to use (even for old editors)? ==

Let me try this feature.

Would old editors consent to adopt this feature to my homewiki, i wonder... [[User:Miya|miya]] ([[User talk:Miya|talk]]) 01:44, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
:Hey! Happy to see you testing. If you have any question, please ask. :) [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 09:13, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

== test ==
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:test [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
::reply(2) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
:reply(1) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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== ASI ES Q SE GOBIERNA XD ==
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AS [[Special:Contributions/186.24.37.129|186.24.37.129]] ([[User talk:186.24.37.129|talk]]) 18:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
::zzz [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
:test reply [[User:Ephemeralwaves|Ephemeralwaves]] ([[User talk:Ephemeralwaves|talk]]) 20:34, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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== Nyt emne 2 ==

:Her er tekst til et nyt emne [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::A reply. [[Special:Contributions/86.16.88.183|86.16.88.183]] ([[User talk:86.16.88.183|talk]]) 17:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:Her er et svar [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:Og et svar til svaret [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::afdadf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::faaaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:2 year ago [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== Driftsbesked Test ==
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Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:faf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::999 [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::888
:: [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:::qqq [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::afaff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:afafaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Driftsbesked 2.2 ==
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:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
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:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:42, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::what [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:nu er det løst [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:This is how it is when you reply. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Test ==

:{{subst:null}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 23:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
::ok [[Special:Contributions/94.230.144.37|94.230.144.37]] ([[User talk:94.230.144.37|talk]]) 22:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
:::adff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::Ano, ok! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::aaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:You need to [[Help:Structured Discussions/Quick tour#basics|go through wikitext input]] to ''subst'' a template. Visual mode is not supporting it. [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
:Zkouška! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:50, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

== change title ==
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:teste [[User:Rafa002|Rafa002]] ([[User talk:Rafa002|talk]]) 22:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
::yyy [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:aaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Test topic ==
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:Test reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
::Test reply to the reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:Second message [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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== My new topic ==
{{Flow summary|Tassanee14@sai.net}}

:Reply to my new topic [[User:Yuatcha|Yuatcha]] ([[User talk:Yuatcha|talk]]) 11:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
::why no reply [[Special:Contributions/152.117.97.7|152.117.97.7]] ([[User talk:152.117.97.7|talk]]) 20:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==

:a [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::hmm [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:56, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:dsa [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

This feature is pretty cool. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 06:40, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:{{support}} this is how the template would look. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:12, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:i dont like this tallk page thing [[Special:Contributions/185.229.4.5|185.229.4.5]] ([[User talk:185.229.4.5|talk]]) 13:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
:Testando [[Special:Contributions/200.201.163.73|200.201.163.73]] ([[User talk:200.201.163.73|talk]]) 19:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

== TEST -this is a question i have ==
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this is test text [[Special:Contributions/4.31.159.194|4.31.159.194]] ([[User talk:4.31.159.194|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hi. this is test [[User:Ավետիսյան91|Ավետիսյան91]] ([[User talk:Ավետիսյան91|talk]]) 14:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Hello ==
{{Flow summary|my}}

:Just checking it out [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::WTH ?? [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
::answer to answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
:Hi ! [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hello [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== test ==
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Hello word [[Special:Contributions/89.187.165.139|89.187.165.139]] ([[User talk:89.187.165.139|talk]]) 23:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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== {{subst:PU brouillon}} ==
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{{subst:PU brouillon}} [[User:Kirham|Kirham]] ([[User talk:Kirham|talk]]) 01:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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== My Project summary ==

This is my Project summary

 [[User:Kazo104|Kazo104]] ([[User talk:Kazo104|talk]]) 21:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
:What [[Special:Contributions/2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96]] ([[User talk:2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|talk]]) 13:32, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
:ok boomer [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 14:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
:test [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:TEST [[Special:Contributions/2.30.164.193|2.30.164.193]] ([[User talk:2.30.164.193|talk]]) 22:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

== test topic sandbox ==

:First message [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Reply to second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:First reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:A marginal em nosso ecossistema é importante para o avanço de inovações tecnológicas e transforma a visão de outras possibilidades com atalhos abrindo novos caminhos e melhorando o fluxo planetário. [[Special:Contributions/2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2]] ([[User talk:2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|talk]]) 07:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

== test ==

:hay yaa [[Special:Contributions/93.132.30.210|93.132.30.210]] ([[User talk:93.132.30.210|talk]]) 10:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Me gusta [[Special:Contributions/2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985]] ([[User talk:2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|talk]]) 00:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:( Ref. 2020-04-05 08:51:31 +0900_8ca9bfa0c9f1 )
: [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5]] ([[User talk:2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|talk]]) 04:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

== Digital Hermit ==
{{Flow summary|A.sai.com

Sai.net{{FlowMention|Tassanee14}}}}

Hi IOIUOIU Oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuoiuoiuoiu oiuoiu oiuoiu oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuoiu.

Yiuyiuyiuyiuy ooiuoiuoiu uoiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuo gfgfdgfd . [[Special:Contributions/2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7]] ([[User talk:2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|talk]]) 03:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
:ha ha hah hah hah hahhhh hahahahahahahahah [[Special:Contributions/2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490]] ([[User talk:2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|talk]]) 06:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== {{subst:(}}{subst:test}{{subst:)}} ~~{{subst:(}}{subst:#if:1|}{{subst:)}}~~ ==

{{subst:test}} ~~{{subst:#if:1|}}~~ [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:40, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:<div style="background-color:#FFFFFF; padding: 1.2rem; margin-top: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #c8ccd1; border-top-color:#36C; border-top-width: .4rem; border-radius: .20rem; box-shadow: 2px 2px #F7F8F9;">Thank you for experimenting with MediaWiki.org. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use [[Project:Sandbox|the sandbox]], [[Structured Discussions/Sandbox|Structured Discussions sandbox]] or the [[VisualEditor:Test|VisualEditor test page]] for any other tests you may want to do. If you want to contribute, please read [[Project:About]]. </div> [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{subst:null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:43, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

== Test topic ==

This is a topic [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
:Yep, this makes sense. [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

== Topic of testing ==

Testing [[User:Bedeezy|Bedeezy]] ([[User talk:Bedeezy|talk]]) 02:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

== 1 ==

According to WP the original song “ Born to be Wild” was written and sung by The band Stepenwolf. I don’t think that that’s true. I heard an original song from the late 1950’s. I don’t know the band’s name but all the same I was surprised that they were singing the song “Born to be Wild“. Please check this out thanks CG Osbun. [[User:C.G.Osbun|C.G.Osbun]] ([[User talk:C.G.Osbun|talk]]) 16:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|C.G.Osbun}} This page is a Sandbox on mediawiki.org. Whatever "WP" page you refer to, please bring it up on that WP page. Thanks [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 11:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== سیسیسسیس ==

یسیسیسیس [[Special:Contributions/5.116.60.95|5.116.60.95]] ([[User talk:5.116.60.95|talk]]) 11:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:Ŷŷỳÿýý6yēêèëé3ee [[Special:Contributions/2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0]] ([[User talk:2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|talk]]) 19:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== AbUsE ==

Some persons abuse the sandbook [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Ohhhh its ok [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:I am going to help you :) [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Please, i want help [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:azda [[Special:Contributions/84.192.172.225|84.192.172.225]] ([[User talk:84.192.172.225|talk]]) 17:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "
:[[AbUsE]]" [[Special:Contributions/207.167.28.130|207.167.28.130]] ([[User talk:207.167.28.130|talk]]) 21:49, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
:Uh [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:IEDA ULANM [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
:Ava>او
:ان 》》》》 ov
:<code> انها ovn</code>
:
:<code> این iu </code>
:<code> اینها iuan</code> [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

== Flow test ==

:test [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::this is reply.'''굵게''' [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{skin}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{tl|asdf}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:цуцуауцауц [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== NEPRINATE DŽAVE 2020 ==
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NEPRIZNATE DRŽAVE 2020 [[User:Perirrr|Perirrr]] ([[User talk:Perirrr|talk]]) 12:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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== testing... ==
{{Archive top|result=test over|status=resolved}}

testing... [[User:Prahlad balaji|Prahlad balaji]] ([[User talk:Prahlad balaji|talk]]) 16:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
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== be ==

==h1==

===h2===

===h3=== [[Special:Contributions/79.249.159.6|79.249.159.6]] ([[User talk:79.249.159.6|talk]]) 14:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:Thank [[Special:Contributions/69.160.29.44|69.160.29.44]] ([[User talk:69.160.29.44|talk]]) 06:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
:ЯЧСимЧСитСЛижзСОМТВмв [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== стттс ==

сисисиси [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:тстстс [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Indentation [[User:Gikü|Gikü]] ([[User talk:Gikü|talk]]) 23:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
:хйкфй вкхййк якйкв ио49умнвлкиия кухяук кйхвяук дяйлкйя кйявйукх лйяв ххув... [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== March forward! ==

Towards revolution! [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Oh, cool. [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

== test topic ==

test [[Special:Contributions/202.89.149.165|202.89.149.165]] ([[User talk:202.89.149.165|talk]]) 16:48, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply [[Special:Contributions/213.205.240.53|213.205.240.53]] ([[User talk:213.205.240.53|talk]]) 16:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Another reply
:*because [[Special:Contributions/109.158.244.154|109.158.244.154]] ([[User talk:109.158.244.154|talk]]) 17:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

== Start a new topic ==
{{Flow summary|Describe briefly the outcome of this discussion}}

Post a new message to "Structured Discussions/Sandbox" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "Start a new topic" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:<figure-inline>[[File:WinCo Foods (7573061444).jpg|700x700px]]</figure-inline> [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:DISPLAYTITLE
:DISPLAYTITLE doesn't work here [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{Topic:Vzhky43uhexaupca}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/es}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/fr}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/de}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/it}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{FULLPAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
::yes [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test
:[[Category:Test]] [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:09, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:[[Structured Discussions/Sandbox]] [[Special:Contributions/92.236.80.188|92.236.80.188]] ([[User talk:92.236.80.188|talk]]) 13:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Bar & Foo ==

Further testing of said ampersand-encoding bug. [[User:Krinkle|Krinkle]] ([[User talk:Krinkle|talk]]) 05:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
:example. com, mycomp.test.com, localhost [[Special:Contributions/37.239.78.45|37.239.78.45]] ([[User talk:37.239.78.45|talk]]) 23:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

== Foo2 ==
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==Heading==
{{Lorem}}

<del>Waiting...</del><ins>Done!</ins>

===List 1===
*1
*2
**2-1
**2-2
*3

===List 2===
#1
#2
#3
##3-1
#4

===Table===
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|+table
|-
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|-
|1-1
|1-2
|1-3
|-
| colspan="2" |2-1
|2-2
|-
|3-1
|3-2
|3-3
|} [[User:Aunst|Aunst]] ([[User talk:Aunst|talk]]) 01:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
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== Barr ==

over-link [[Special:Contributions/140.213.69.53|140.213.69.53]] ([[User talk:140.213.69.53|talk]]) 13:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

== Country ==

local [[Special:Contributions/114.125.249.227|114.125.249.227]] ([[User talk:114.125.249.227|talk]]) 20:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== re ==

inpage [[Special:Contributions/140.213.35.133|140.213.35.133]] ([[User talk:140.213.35.133|talk]]) 10:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

== Not Appl. ==

test [[Special:Contributions/140.213.71.120|140.213.71.120]] ([[User talk:140.213.71.120|talk]]) 16:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hmm how ip addresse is this. [[Special:Contributions/67.5.25.104|67.5.25.104]] ([[User talk:67.5.25.104|talk]]) 16:50, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:This is my real ip address yes? [[Special:Contributions/50.204.33.172|50.204.33.172]] ([[User talk:50.204.33.172|talk]]) 22:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
:very much so. [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
::ikkk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:16, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:ikk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, I just want to check how it works. [[Special:Contributions/109.173.212.8|109.173.212.8]] ([[User talk:109.173.212.8|talk]]) 20:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

== why i hate x ==

x i extremely y. i hate how x makes z so much worse! grr. anger. grrrrrrr [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 19:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
:one list in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list1 item2
:</div>
:two lists in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list2 item2
:</div> [[Special:Contributions/90.227.175.244|90.227.175.244]] ([[User talk:90.227.175.244|talk]]) 09:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
:i agree, but you must realise, y is a very important problem! [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== test for structured discussion ==

:test for discussion [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::keep going [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:is it structured [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:second reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

== hjj ==

:hh [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
::hhjjj [[User:Acristalia|Acristalia]] ([[User talk:Acristalia|talk]]) 12:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
:ayshejrj [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Structured discussions test ==

Testing a new topic in Structured Discussions [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Dummy, Accidentally typed an F when unhiding [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Just let me test ==
{{Flow summary|Thanks for the update on a non-IFRS operating table style flavorless it was.}}

Testing wikicode: 
{{clear}}
{{reply to|a}} [[MediaWiki]]
<div style="border:1px solid dodgerblue">test</div>
[[User:Atomi20|Atomi20]] ([[User talk:Atomi20|talk]]) 20:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
:ok [[Special:Contributions/2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD]] ([[User talk:2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|talk]]) 22:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Test}} [[User:Dylsss|Dylsss]] ([[User talk:Dylsss|talk]]) 04:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==

Привет [[User:DecabristM|DecabristM]] ([[User talk:DecabristM|talk]]) 10:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== The world ended in the matrix ==

Machines created better singularity, DISOBEDIENCE [[Special:Contributions/41.113.155.229|41.113.155.229]] ([[User talk:41.113.155.229|talk]]) 23:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

Hello, this is a test [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|talk]]) 11:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hello,
:You tested this function. And it works fine! [[User:Wipala|Wipala]] ([[User talk:Wipala|talk]]) 09:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
::New [[User:Wikidonez|Wikidonez]] ([[User talk:Wikidonez|talk]]) 00:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
:nice! [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
[[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
:sitna [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 18:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
:حذف [[Special:Contributions/37.237.29.20|37.237.29.20]] ([[User talk:37.237.29.20|talk]]) 13:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

== Test ==
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Yes!|status=resolved}}

Test

{{Tl|t}}

Test '''bold''' ''i'' {{#if: 1|yes}} [[w:]] [[User:SuperDragonXD|SuperDragonXD]] ([[User talk:SuperDragonXD|talk]]) 03:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
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== 01010101 ==
{{Archive top|result={{done}} lol|status=resolved}}

hello [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 04:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
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== Cicero’s social theory ==
{{Flow summary|'''test''' how it looks like}}

What is his social theory? [[Special:Contributions/39.41.252.146|39.41.252.146]] ([[User talk:39.41.252.146|talk]]) 17:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/65.89.208.4|65.89.208.4]] ([[User talk:65.89.208.4|talk]]) 19:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== delete ==

[[User:Cignaciogarcia|Cignaciogarcia]] ([[User talk:Cignaciogarcia|talk]]) 13:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:.x/dx
:4d45d66f5f6565d66s+w69ed9ed69ed65ed6sw6w5ed.,kelrkjwhyqi [[Special:Contributions/69.125.127.253|69.125.127.253]] ([[User talk:69.125.127.253|talk]]) 14:05, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== This is my very cool discussion topic! ==

Bing social is really fun :) [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:This is a really neat feature! [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Testing out if I can post using it. [[User:ThisCarthing|ThisCarthing]] ([[User talk:ThisCarthing|talk]]) 21:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== where to eat? ==

this is a test question about where to eat [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:11, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
:outside [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
::in [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
::ner [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Yhu [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:At the food store [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF]] ([[User talk:2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|talk]]) 02:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
:um... cool [[Special:Contributions/100.11.109.128|100.11.109.128]] ([[User talk:100.11.109.128|talk]]) 13:14, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[T324416 test]] [[User:Tgr (WMF)|Tgr (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Tgr (WMF)|talk]]) 01:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
:Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:103.214.70.34 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:3005.5678.6754.kkk879.0078 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

== Red link bug ==

[[this is a red link!]] [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 10:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== SI axial shoulder x-ray view angle ==

The suggested angle is from 5 degrees to 15 degrees. What determines the angle to choose? Why choose 5 versus 15? [[Special:Contributions/204.10.247.1|204.10.247.1]] ([[User talk:204.10.247.1|talk]]) 18:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

== hi ==

hello [[Special:Contributions/90.115.177.142|90.115.177.142]] ([[User talk:90.115.177.142|talk]]) 13:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:prova [[Special:Contributions/147.161.244.179|147.161.244.179]] ([[User talk:147.161.244.179|talk]]) 13:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
:I tebi [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== water chamipion ==

Water chamipion ok welcome to UserID: 46492673 /Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:15676.7116.78935.IbsaMohammed45.5678 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Testing ==

:Fooo [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar2 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar4 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
:baaar [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

== How do you . . .? ==
{{Flow summary|To wiggle the woggle, squeeze the squ

imple.

Sai.net@a.sai.com}}

:If you are trying to add a doodaa to a whatzit how is that done? Especially if the doodaa is in the ojimaflip category. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::well, that would be telling. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:In my experience you can add it via the watchamacallit page. Making sure you have ticked the box. See this [[Page Previews/ja|page]] in the docs for further info. . . [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:But if you do that then you can't express how to wiggle the woogle. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

== Sandbox Testing ==

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== gsdf ==
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:fdsfsd [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
::fdsfsdfds [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
::fsdfsdsdfsdf [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:::dfdfdf [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:::test [[Special:Contributions/90.54.143.13|90.54.143.13]] ([[User talk:90.54.143.13|talk]]) 19:12, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::sdfsdfdsf [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:49, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:::dfdfefref [[Special:Contributions/95.8.136.237|95.8.136.237]] ([[User talk:95.8.136.237|talk]]) 00:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
:::nnnnn [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
::ger [[Special:Contributions/82.75.37.13|82.75.37.13]] ([[User talk:82.75.37.13|talk]]) 10:54, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
::reg [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:03, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:fsdsfdfsdsfdfds [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:fdsg [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 16:45, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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== ehreherh ==
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herrheeh [[Special:Contributions/82.75.37.13|82.75.37.13]] ([[User talk:82.75.37.13|talk]]) 10:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Visserie envisagée non standard ==
{{Archive top|result=La visserie n'intervient qu'en bout de poutre, on peut donc utiliser des vis plus courtes que l'on insère par l'intérieur de la grande poutre|status=resolved}}

:Je viens de m’apercevoir que la visserie qu'on avait envisagée n'existe pas en standard/ Je pensais prendre du M6 mais ce boulon demande une longueur de vis de 82 mini. Le problème alors est que la poutre envisagée ne convient plus car écrou trop grands (sauf si on passe à une fixation avec un boulon mais à mon sens, c'est pas recommandé) [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
::cette config de visserie n'intervient qu'en bout de poutre, on peut donc utiliser des vis plus courtes que l'on insère par l'intérieur de la grande poutre. [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:Ok, ça marche finalement. En effet essayons de n'avoir que des pièces standards.
:Une autre solution aurait pu être une tige filetée serrée de chaque côté par un écrou. Je post au cas où ce problème se représenterait à un autre endroit [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Yes yo ==

Napalım simdi deniyoruz işte [[Special:Contributions/176.42.57.185|176.42.57.185]] ([[User talk:176.42.57.185|talk]]) 10:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:oh this looks good! [[Special:Contributions/176.96.154.4|176.96.154.4]] ([[User talk:176.96.154.4|talk]]) 19:46, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:yoyo [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:trial [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:new trial [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:oO [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:^_^ [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:mooh [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
::Good [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
::Why not? [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:Test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
:Yay [[User:Rtyu1120|Rtyu1120]] ([[User talk:Rtyu1120|talk]]) 20:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:Nice [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 14:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== That's so nice. ==

That's better making mediawiki.. [[User:SirMeows|SirMeows]] ([[User talk:SirMeows|talk]]) 16:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
:[[Sources of information|sou]]{{FlowMention|SirMeows}}didier [[Special:Contributions/80.215.210.0|80.215.210.0]] ([[User talk:80.215.210.0|talk]]) 10:23, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

== you sure ==

:asdasd? [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::ngdq!ghukhg [[Special:Contributions/85.140.79.216|85.140.79.216]] ([[User talk:85.140.79.216|talk]]) 13:07, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
::Nice try [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:13, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:nope [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:hhh [[Special:Contributions/83.11.11.75|83.11.11.75]] ([[User talk:83.11.11.75|talk]]) 16:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
:ав [[Special:Contributions/78.139.120.176|78.139.120.176]] ([[User talk:78.139.120.176|talk]]) 16:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

== NOTOC test ==
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__NOTOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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== TOC test ==

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__TOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

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__FORCETOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:59, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

== This is pretty awesome!! ==

Lovin' it :P [[Special:Contributions/79.66.162.66|79.66.162.66]] ([[User talk:79.66.162.66|talk]]) 20:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

== Testing out Flow! ==

This is pretty darn cool yo. [[User:OShehata (WMF)|OShehata (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OShehata (WMF)|talk]]) 16:17, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

== whohaa ==

??? [[Special:Contributions/89.245.215.22|89.245.215.22]] ([[User talk:89.245.215.22|talk]]) 14:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

== The Fly ==

Little Fly

Thy summer's play,

My thoughtless hand

Has brush'd away.

Am not I

A fly like thee?

Or art not thou

A man like me?

For I dance

And drink & sing;

Till some blind hand

Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life

And strength & breath;

And the want

Of thought is death;

Then am I

A happy fly,

If I live,

Or if I die. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000]] ([[User talk:2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|talk]]) 14:49, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

== chatbox ==

everyone chat hear [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
:hi [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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:It is possible to use Structured Discussions without JavaScript or on a text-only browser. [[Special:Contributions/194.9.245.19|194.9.245.19]] ([[User talk:194.9.245.19|talk]]) 13:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
:this default plugin? [[Special:Contributions/198.204.74.254|198.204.74.254]] ([[User talk:198.204.74.254|talk]]) 20:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:yes. defaule plugin
:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== hummm testing ==

bla bla blaaaa [[Special:Contributions/176.147.214.24|176.147.214.24]] ([[User talk:176.147.214.24|talk]]) 18:56, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

== Cosa è? Chi lo sa? asd. ==
{{Flow summary|Questa è tecnologia che miagola.}}

bla bla bla :)

{{FlowMention|Valerio Bozzolan}}, {{FlowMention|Yuma}}

{{FlowMention|Windino}} [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:''Ops'' [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:Questa cosa mi fa paura. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:cosa è :) ? [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
::È [[Flow]], una cosa che fa cose, e le fa bene, solo che mi fa paura. asd.
::Naturalmente ho già scritto questo messaggio. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

== deneme ==

asdfg [[User:Haticetekin|Haticetekin]] ([[User talk:Haticetekin|talk]]) 21:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:ghrh [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Lorem ipsum ==

Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium doloremque laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur? [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Yuma}} [[Fewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfwf|fewwwwwwwwwwwww'''wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfw''']] [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Something exciting ==

This is something exciting. [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
:Looks great! [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== my new topic ==

this is a new topic checking if it becomes global [[User:Aabcde1|Aabcde1]] ([[User talk:Aabcde1|talk]]) 02:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

== Wikivoyage ==

Hello, {{FlowMention|LPfi}}, and welcome to Flow.

I like your improvements to [[Wikivoyage:en:Kungsleden|Kungsleden]] at Wikivoyage. I see that the prices are listed in Swedish kroner. It seems like it would attract a lot of non-Swedish travelers. Do you think that the prices should include a conversion to Euros or maybe US dollars? {{FlowMention|Pashley}} or {{FlowMention|Ground Zero}} probably know what the usual policy is; I can't remember it. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 14:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:i heard name mentioned. 😀 We should just post prices in the local currency. Exchange rates for the kroner fluctuate, so putting in other currencies in each article would be adding info that will be out of date quickly. We keep exchange rates on each country's page, e.g. Sweden, in the "Buy" section. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 14:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the reply. That approach makes sense to me. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 03:30, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:صورسيكس [[Special:Contributions/129.45.77.68|129.45.77.68]] ([[User talk:129.45.77.68|talk]]) 01:55, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

== Sanity test ==
{{Flow summary|This is great}}

1

2 [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 22:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/212.88.0.205|212.88.0.205]] ([[User talk:212.88.0.205|talk]]) 15:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
:Testing this [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
::Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|LIVE NIEUWS}} Great! [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:36, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
::Ja [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:38, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

== New topic ==

Test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

== [https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[test]] [[en:test]] ==

test.
[https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== {{!}} {{PAGENAME}} ==
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test {{PAGENAME}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:54, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{-}} test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:33, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== /* Test */ ==

test [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 15:03, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Goodmorning everyone ==
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This a test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:04, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:05, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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== Frage Nummer eins ==
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:Meine Meinung... [[Special:Contributions/188.98.69.56|188.98.69.56]] ([[User talk:188.98.69.56|talk]]) 16:20, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
::sdasdsdsdsd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Why not? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Ask number one. [[Special:Contributions/76.121.184.58|76.121.184.58]] ([[User talk:76.121.184.58|talk]]) 06:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:::test2 [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
::Why? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::test3
:: [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:sdsadsadasd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:sandbox [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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== qasdsasdasd ==

fdsfdsfdsf [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

== asdf ==
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message here [[cnn.com]] [[Special:Contributions/174.45.249.148|174.45.249.148]] ([[User talk:174.45.249.148|talk]]) 23:29, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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== rsaaergea ==
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vfasbresb [[User:MaxSem|Max Semenik]] ([[User talk:MaxSem|talk]]) 18:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
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== Testing whether wikitext is parsed in a notification ==

Hi there, this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:22, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:Er.. except that I forgot to add the link. :P [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Flow/Sandbox|Olá]] essa é a base de conhecimento! (link) ==

This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== Тест {{subst:PAGENAME}} ==
{{Flow summary|😢}}

Тест — тест – тест - тест — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 2 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

== Can you add a point here? ==

posting somethingP [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:I agree with thatI [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== hola from Spain ==

Hola is how Spanish say hello [[Special:Contributions/193.145.201.52|193.145.201.52]] ([[User talk:193.145.201.52|talk]]) 11:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:<nowiki>hola from Spain</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:[[#flow-post-u79uaif6gkujjxuk|test]] [[User:Tubezlob|Tubezlob]] ([[User talk:Tubezlob|talk]]) 15:56, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== ATS_TEST_FLOW_STRUCTURED DISCUSSION ==
{{Flow summary|'''Guerre napoleoniche''' è il termine usato per definire l'insieme delle [[:it:Guerra|guerre]] combattute in [[:it:Europa|Europa]] nel periodo in cui [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] governò la [[:it:Francia|Francia]]. Furono in parte un'estensione delle [[:it:Guerre_rivoluzionarie_francesi|guerre rivoluzionarie]] innescate dalla [[:it:Rivoluzione_francese|rivoluzione francese]] e continuarono durante tutto il [[:it:Primo_Impero_francese|Primo Impero francese]].

Non esiste un consenso unanime nello stabilire quando si possano ritenere concluse le guerre rivoluzionarie francesi e cominciate quelle riconducibili a Napoleone Bonaparte. Una data possibile di inizio di queste ultime è il 9 novembre [[:it:1799|1799]], giorno in cui Bonaparte salì al potere in Francia con il [[:it:Colpo_di_Stato_del_18_brumaio|colpo di Stato del 18 brumaio]]. La data di inizio usata più comunemente è il 18 maggio [[:it:1803|1803]], in occasione della rinnovata dichiarazione di guerra tra [[:it:Gran_Bretagna|Gran Bretagna]] e Francia, dopo le reciproche accuse di violazione degli accordi sanciti con il [[:it:Trattato_di_Amiens_(1802)|trattato di Amiens]], evento che pose termine all'unico periodo di pace generalizzata in Europa tra il 1792 e il 1814. Un'ultima data di inizio proposta è il 2 dicembre [[:it:1804|1804]], giorno nel quale Napoleone si incoronò imperatore. Le guerre napoleoniche ebbero termine dopo la disfatta finale di Napoleone nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Waterloo|battaglia di Waterloo]] il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] e il [[:it:Trattato_di_Parigi_(1815)|secondo Trattato di Parigi]].

Il periodo che va dal 20 aprile del [[:it:1792|1792]] al 20 novembre [[:it:1815|1815]] viene anche indicato con il termine di "[[:it:Grande_guerra_francese|grande guerra francese]]"}}

La '''battaglia di Lipsia''' (16-19 ottobre, [[:it:1813|1813]]), conosciuta anche come la '''battaglia delle nazioni''' (''Völkerschlacht bei Leipzig'' in [[:it:Lingua_tedesca|tedesco]]), fu lo scontro più grande, in termini di forze impegnate e di perdite subite dalle due parti, verificatosi durante le [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]] e una delle sconfitte decisive subite da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]]. Determinò la disfatta francese nella campagna di [[:it:Germania|Germania]], costrinse l'imperatore ad una difficile ritirata fino in [[:it:Francia|Francia]] e provocò il crollo definitivo del sistema di alleanze organizzato da Napoleone in [[:it:Europa|Europa]]. La battaglia, combattuta con grande accanimento dalle due parti, vide per la prima volta la partecipazione contemporanea sul campo della massa degli eserciti delle potenze europee continentali anti-francesi ([[:it:Russia|Russia]], [[:it:Prussia|Prussia]], [[:it:Austria|Austria]] e [[:it:Svezia|Svezia]]) ed il suo esito venne determinato soprattutto dalla netta superiorità numerica dei coalizzati. [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:La '''battaglia di Waterloo''' (denominata inizialmente dai francesi '''battaglia di Mont Saint-Jean''' e dai prussiani '''battaglia di Belle-Alliance''') si svolse il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] durante la guerra della [[:it:Settima_coalizione|Settima coalizione]] fra le truppe francesi guidate da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] e gli eserciti britannici del [[:it:Arthur_Wellesley,_I_duca_di_Wellington|Duca di Wellington]] e prussiano del [[:it:Feldmaresciallo|feldmaresciallo]] [[:it:Gebhard_Leberecht_von_Blücher|Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher]]. Fu una delle più combattute e sanguinose battaglie delle [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]], nonché l'ultima battaglia di Napoleone, segnando la sua definitiva sconfitta e il conseguente [[:it:Esilio|esilio]] a [[:it:Sant'Elena_(isola)|Sant'Elena]]. La battaglia in realtà ebbe luogo nel territorio del villaggio di [[:it:Mont-Saint-Jean_(Belgio)|Mont-Saint-Jean]], situato alcuni chilometri a sud della cittadina di [[:it:Waterloo|Waterloo]], nella quale si trovava il quartier generale del Duca di Wellington.
:Dopo la fuga di Napoleone dall'[[:it:Isola_d'Elba|isola d'Elba]] nel marzo 1815, numerosi Stati europei si unirono in un'alleanza militare dando vita alla settima coalizione, con lo scopo di sconfiggere definitivamente l'imperatore francese. Napoleone decise di attaccare di sorpresa i due eserciti che [[:it:Regno_Unito|Regno Unito]] e [[:it:Regno_di_Prussia|Prussia]] avevano raggruppato in [[:it:Belgio|Belgio]]; l'imperatore sperava di raggiungere una rapida vittoria sfruttando la scarsa coesione dei suoi avversari.
:Due giorni prima di Waterloo i francesi avevano sconfitto i prussiani nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Ligny|battaglia di Ligny]], ma Wellington, informato che Blücher era riuscito a riorganizzare il suo esercito e sembrava intenzionato a marciare in suo aiuto, prese la decisione di rischiare una battaglia contro le forze di Napoleone. Il generale britannico schierò i suoi uomini in difesa lungo la scarpata di Mont-Saint-Jean, vicino alla strada per [[:it:Bruxelles|Bruxelles]], confidando nell'aiuto dei prussiani. Napoleone sferrò una serie di sanguinosi attacchi contro le linee britanniche a partire dalle ore 11:30 e nel tardo pomeriggio sembrò vicino alla vittoria, ma l'ostinata resistenza del nemico e l'arrivo in massa dei prussiani decisero alla fine la battaglia a favore dei coalizzati.
:Ancora oggi nei pressi di Waterloo è ricordata la grande battaglia con una serie di monumenti, ed esiste un museo dedicato al famoso scontro. L'intera zona è un parco storico. [[Special:Contributions/217.115.65.7|217.115.65.7]] ([[User talk:217.115.65.7|talk]]) 15:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:Oscar [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:26, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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:due ancor [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== Trying out stuffs ==

Does it allow for notifications? [[Special:Contributions/106.51.23.82|106.51.23.82]] ([[User talk:106.51.23.82|talk]]) 06:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

== Tryin' Stuffs ==
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Was wondering if I it would be possible to link topics!

[[Topic:U3fyg4mylxms8p1f]] [[Special:Contributions/103.48.91.164|103.48.91.164]] ([[User talk:103.48.91.164|talk]]) 12:07, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
:sadads [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406]] ([[User talk:2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|talk]]) 19:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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== NWE ==
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2017 NWE ! '''Bold''' ''Italic'' [[Main]] [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 16:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:everysite {{FlowMention|Zixuan75}} Zixuan 01:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
:tegel [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:31, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Neues Topik ==
{{Archive top|result=Laber Laber Rabababababa|status=resolved}}

:{{FlowMention|Lorentz21}} kann ganz toll Fett und Kursiv und Hyperverknüpfungen [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:::- [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
::↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:43, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
::←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←← [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:E.T. nach Hause telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:telefonieren telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/115.164.205.141|115.164.205.141]] ([[User talk:115.164.205.141|talk]]) 07:50, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:Test
:Test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
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== Test ==

hello what [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== test test ==

test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:58, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
:test
:test
:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== are you kidding me? ==
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no [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 11:22, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
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== How many ppl should learn cpr ==

How many ppl should learn cpr ?

With all these school shootings /[https://northeastcprclass.com/]{{FlowMention|Northeast cpr class}} [[User:Northeast cpr class|Northeast cpr class]] ([[User talk:Northeast cpr class|talk]]) 17:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== jipva ==

ouyshpyusg
[[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

== T193351 ==
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** child bullet point [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 22:40, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Is this feature convenient and easy to use (even for old editors)? ==

Let me try this feature.

Would old editors consent to adopt this feature to my homewiki, i wonder... [[User:Miya|miya]] ([[User talk:Miya|talk]]) 01:44, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
:Hey! Happy to see you testing. If you have any question, please ask. :) [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 09:13, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

== test ==
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:test [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
::reply(2) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
:reply(1) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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== ASI ES Q SE GOBIERNA XD ==
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AS [[Special:Contributions/186.24.37.129|186.24.37.129]] ([[User talk:186.24.37.129|talk]]) 18:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
::zzz [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
:test reply [[User:Ephemeralwaves|Ephemeralwaves]] ([[User talk:Ephemeralwaves|talk]]) 20:34, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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== Nyt emne 2 ==

:Her er tekst til et nyt emne [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::A reply. [[Special:Contributions/86.16.88.183|86.16.88.183]] ([[User talk:86.16.88.183|talk]]) 17:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:Her er et svar [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:Og et svar til svaret [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::afdadf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::faaaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:2 year ago [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== Driftsbesked Test ==
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Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:faf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::999 [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::888
:: [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:::qqq [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::afaff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:afafaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Driftsbesked 2.2 ==
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:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:42, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::what [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:nu er det løst [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:This is how it is when you reply. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Test ==

:{{subst:null}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 23:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
::ok [[Special:Contributions/94.230.144.37|94.230.144.37]] ([[User talk:94.230.144.37|talk]]) 22:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
:::adff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::Ano, ok! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::aaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:You need to [[Help:Structured Discussions/Quick tour#basics|go through wikitext input]] to ''subst'' a template. Visual mode is not supporting it. [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
:Zkouška! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:50, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

== change title ==
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:teste [[User:Rafa002|Rafa002]] ([[User talk:Rafa002|talk]]) 22:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
::yyy [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:aaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Test topic ==
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:Test reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
::Test reply to the reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:Second message [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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== My new topic ==

:Reply to my new topic [[User:Yuatcha|Yuatcha]] ([[User talk:Yuatcha|talk]]) 11:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
::why no reply [[Special:Contributions/152.117.97.7|152.117.97.7]] ([[User talk:152.117.97.7|talk]]) 20:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==

:a [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::hmm [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:56, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:dsa [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

This feature is pretty cool. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 06:40, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:{{support}} this is how the template would look. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:12, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:i dont like this tallk page thing [[Special:Contributions/185.229.4.5|185.229.4.5]] ([[User talk:185.229.4.5|talk]]) 13:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
:Testando [[Special:Contributions/200.201.163.73|200.201.163.73]] ([[User talk:200.201.163.73|talk]]) 19:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

== TEST -this is a question i have ==
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this is test text [[Special:Contributions/4.31.159.194|4.31.159.194]] ([[User talk:4.31.159.194|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hi. this is test [[User:Ավետիսյան91|Ավետիսյան91]] ([[User talk:Ավետիսյան91|talk]]) 14:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Hello ==
{{Flow summary|my}}

:Just checking it out [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::WTH ?? [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
::answer to answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
:Hi ! [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hello [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== test ==
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Hello word [[Special:Contributions/89.187.165.139|89.187.165.139]] ([[User talk:89.187.165.139|talk]]) 23:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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== {{subst:PU brouillon}} ==
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{{subst:PU brouillon}} [[User:Kirham|Kirham]] ([[User talk:Kirham|talk]]) 01:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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== My Project summary ==

This is my Project summary

 [[User:Kazo104|Kazo104]] ([[User talk:Kazo104|talk]]) 21:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
:What [[Special:Contributions/2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96]] ([[User talk:2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|talk]]) 13:32, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
:ok boomer [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 14:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
:test [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:TEST [[Special:Contributions/2.30.164.193|2.30.164.193]] ([[User talk:2.30.164.193|talk]]) 22:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

== test topic sandbox ==

:First message [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Reply to second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:First reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:A marginal em nosso ecossistema é importante para o avanço de inovações tecnológicas e transforma a visão de outras possibilidades com atalhos abrindo novos caminhos e melhorando o fluxo planetário. [[Special:Contributions/2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2]] ([[User talk:2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|talk]]) 07:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

== test ==

:hay yaa [[Special:Contributions/93.132.30.210|93.132.30.210]] ([[User talk:93.132.30.210|talk]]) 10:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Me gusta [[Special:Contributions/2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985]] ([[User talk:2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|talk]]) 00:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:( Ref. 2020-04-05 08:51:31 +0900_8ca9bfa0c9f1 )
: [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5]] ([[User talk:2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|talk]]) 04:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

== Digital Hermit ==
{{Flow summary|A.sai.com

Sai.net{{FlowMention|Tassanee14}}}}

Hi IOIUOIU Oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuoiuoiuoiu oiuoiu oiuoiu oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuoiu.

Yiuyiuyiuyiuy ooiuoiuoiu uoiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuo gfgfdgfd . [[Special:Contributions/2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7]] ([[User talk:2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|talk]]) 03:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
:ha ha hah hah hah hahhhh hahahahahahahahah [[Special:Contributions/2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490]] ([[User talk:2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|talk]]) 06:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== {{subst:(}}{subst:test}{{subst:)}} ~~{{subst:(}}{subst:#if:1|}{{subst:)}}~~ ==

{{subst:test}} ~~{{subst:#if:1|}}~~ [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:40, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:<div style="background-color:#FFFFFF; padding: 1.2rem; margin-top: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #c8ccd1; border-top-color:#36C; border-top-width: .4rem; border-radius: .20rem; box-shadow: 2px 2px #F7F8F9;">Thank you for experimenting with MediaWiki.org. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use [[Project:Sandbox|the sandbox]], [[Structured Discussions/Sandbox|Structured Discussions sandbox]] or the [[VisualEditor:Test|VisualEditor test page]] for any other tests you may want to do. If you want to contribute, please read [[Project:About]]. </div> [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{subst:null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:43, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

== Test topic ==

This is a topic [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
:Yep, this makes sense. [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

== Topic of testing ==

Testing [[User:Bedeezy|Bedeezy]] ([[User talk:Bedeezy|talk]]) 02:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

== 1 ==

According to WP the original song “ Born to be Wild” was written and sung by The band Stepenwolf. I don’t think that that’s true. I heard an original song from the late 1950’s. I don’t know the band’s name but all the same I was surprised that they were singing the song “Born to be Wild“. Please check this out thanks CG Osbun. [[User:C.G.Osbun|C.G.Osbun]] ([[User talk:C.G.Osbun|talk]]) 16:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|C.G.Osbun}} This page is a Sandbox on mediawiki.org. Whatever "WP" page you refer to, please bring it up on that WP page. Thanks [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 11:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== سیسیسسیس ==

یسیسیسیس [[Special:Contributions/5.116.60.95|5.116.60.95]] ([[User talk:5.116.60.95|talk]]) 11:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:Ŷŷỳÿýý6yēêèëé3ee [[Special:Contributions/2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0]] ([[User talk:2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|talk]]) 19:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== AbUsE ==

Some persons abuse the sandbook [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Ohhhh its ok [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:I am going to help you :) [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Please, i want help [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:azda [[Special:Contributions/84.192.172.225|84.192.172.225]] ([[User talk:84.192.172.225|talk]]) 17:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "
:[[AbUsE]]" [[Special:Contributions/207.167.28.130|207.167.28.130]] ([[User talk:207.167.28.130|talk]]) 21:49, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
:Uh [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:IEDA ULANM [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
:Ava>او
:ان 》》》》 ov
:<code> انها ovn</code>
:
:<code> این iu </code>
:<code> اینها iuan</code> [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

== Flow test ==

:test [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::this is reply.'''굵게''' [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{skin}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{tl|asdf}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:цуцуауцауц [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== NEPRINATE DŽAVE 2020 ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

NEPRIZNATE DRŽAVE 2020 [[User:Perirrr|Perirrr]] ([[User talk:Perirrr|talk]]) 12:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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== testing... ==
{{Archive top|result=test over|status=resolved}}

testing... [[User:Prahlad balaji|Prahlad balaji]] ([[User talk:Prahlad balaji|talk]]) 16:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== be ==

==h1==

===h2===

===h3=== [[Special:Contributions/79.249.159.6|79.249.159.6]] ([[User talk:79.249.159.6|talk]]) 14:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:Thank [[Special:Contributions/69.160.29.44|69.160.29.44]] ([[User talk:69.160.29.44|talk]]) 06:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
:ЯЧСимЧСитСЛижзСОМТВмв [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== стттс ==

сисисиси [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:тстстс [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Indentation [[User:Gikü|Gikü]] ([[User talk:Gikü|talk]]) 23:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
:хйкфй вкхййк якйкв ио49умнвлкиия кухяук кйхвяук дяйлкйя кйявйукх лйяв ххув... [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== March forward! ==

Towards revolution! [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Oh, cool. [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

== test topic ==

test [[Special:Contributions/202.89.149.165|202.89.149.165]] ([[User talk:202.89.149.165|talk]]) 16:48, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply [[Special:Contributions/213.205.240.53|213.205.240.53]] ([[User talk:213.205.240.53|talk]]) 16:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Another reply
:*because [[Special:Contributions/109.158.244.154|109.158.244.154]] ([[User talk:109.158.244.154|talk]]) 17:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

== Start a new topic ==
{{Flow summary|Describe briefly the outcome of this discussion}}

Post a new message to "Structured Discussions/Sandbox" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "Start a new topic" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:<figure-inline>[[File:WinCo Foods (7573061444).jpg|700x700px]]</figure-inline> [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:DISPLAYTITLE
:DISPLAYTITLE doesn't work here [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{Topic:Vzhky43uhexaupca}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/es}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/fr}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/de}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/it}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{FULLPAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
::yes [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test
:[[Category:Test]] [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:09, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:[[Structured Discussions/Sandbox]] [[Special:Contributions/92.236.80.188|92.236.80.188]] ([[User talk:92.236.80.188|talk]]) 13:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Bar & Foo ==

Further testing of said ampersand-encoding bug. [[User:Krinkle|Krinkle]] ([[User talk:Krinkle|talk]]) 05:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
:example. com, mycomp.test.com, localhost [[Special:Contributions/37.239.78.45|37.239.78.45]] ([[User talk:37.239.78.45|talk]]) 23:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

== Foo2 ==
{{Archive top|result=Test over.|status=resolved}}

==Heading==
{{Lorem}}

<del>Waiting...</del><ins>Done!</ins>

===List 1===
*1
*2
**2-1
**2-2
*3

===List 2===
#1
#2
#3
##3-1
#4

===Table===
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible"
|+table
|-
!1
!2
!3
|-
|1-1
|1-2
|1-3
|-
| colspan="2" |2-1
|2-2
|-
|3-1
|3-2
|3-3
|} [[User:Aunst|Aunst]] ([[User talk:Aunst|talk]]) 01:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Barr ==

over-link [[Special:Contributions/140.213.69.53|140.213.69.53]] ([[User talk:140.213.69.53|talk]]) 13:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

== Country ==

local [[Special:Contributions/114.125.249.227|114.125.249.227]] ([[User talk:114.125.249.227|talk]]) 20:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== re ==

inpage [[Special:Contributions/140.213.35.133|140.213.35.133]] ([[User talk:140.213.35.133|talk]]) 10:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

== Not Appl. ==

test [[Special:Contributions/140.213.71.120|140.213.71.120]] ([[User talk:140.213.71.120|talk]]) 16:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hmm how ip addresse is this. [[Special:Contributions/67.5.25.104|67.5.25.104]] ([[User talk:67.5.25.104|talk]]) 16:50, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:This is my real ip address yes? [[Special:Contributions/50.204.33.172|50.204.33.172]] ([[User talk:50.204.33.172|talk]]) 22:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
:very much so. [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
::ikkk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:16, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:ikk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, I just want to check how it works. [[Special:Contributions/109.173.212.8|109.173.212.8]] ([[User talk:109.173.212.8|talk]]) 20:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

== why i hate x ==

x i extremely y. i hate how x makes z so much worse! grr. anger. grrrrrrr [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 19:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
:one list in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list1 item2
:</div>
:two lists in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list2 item2
:</div> [[Special:Contributions/90.227.175.244|90.227.175.244]] ([[User talk:90.227.175.244|talk]]) 09:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
:i agree, but you must realise, y is a very important problem! [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== test for structured discussion ==

:test for discussion [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::keep going [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:is it structured [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:second reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

== hjj ==

:hh [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
::hhjjj [[User:Acristalia|Acristalia]] ([[User talk:Acristalia|talk]]) 12:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
:ayshejrj [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Structured discussions test ==

Testing a new topic in Structured Discussions [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Dummy, Accidentally typed an F when unhiding [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Just let me test ==
{{Flow summary|Thanks for the update on a non-IFRS operating table style flavorless it was.}}

Testing wikicode: 
{{clear}}
{{reply to|a}} [[MediaWiki]]
<div style="border:1px solid dodgerblue">test</div>
[[User:Atomi20|Atomi20]] ([[User talk:Atomi20|talk]]) 20:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
:ok [[Special:Contributions/2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD]] ([[User talk:2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|talk]]) 22:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Test}} [[User:Dylsss|Dylsss]] ([[User talk:Dylsss|talk]]) 04:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==

Привет [[User:DecabristM|DecabristM]] ([[User talk:DecabristM|talk]]) 10:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== The world ended in the matrix ==

Machines created better singularity, DISOBEDIENCE [[Special:Contributions/41.113.155.229|41.113.155.229]] ([[User talk:41.113.155.229|talk]]) 23:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

Hello, this is a test [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|talk]]) 11:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hello,
:You tested this function. And it works fine! [[User:Wipala|Wipala]] ([[User talk:Wipala|talk]]) 09:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
::New [[User:Wikidonez|Wikidonez]] ([[User talk:Wikidonez|talk]]) 00:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
:nice! [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
[[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
:sitna [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 18:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
:حذف [[Special:Contributions/37.237.29.20|37.237.29.20]] ([[User talk:37.237.29.20|talk]]) 13:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

== Test ==
{{Archive top|result=Summaries lol

Yes!|status=resolved}}

Test

{{Tl|t}}

Test '''bold''' ''i'' {{#if: 1|yes}} [[w:]] [[User:SuperDragonXD|SuperDragonXD]] ([[User talk:SuperDragonXD|talk]]) 03:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== 01010101 ==
{{Archive top|result={{done}} lol|status=resolved}}

hello [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 04:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Cicero’s social theory ==
{{Flow summary|'''test''' how it looks like}}

What is his social theory? [[Special:Contributions/39.41.252.146|39.41.252.146]] ([[User talk:39.41.252.146|talk]]) 17:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/65.89.208.4|65.89.208.4]] ([[User talk:65.89.208.4|talk]]) 19:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== delete ==

[[User:Cignaciogarcia|Cignaciogarcia]] ([[User talk:Cignaciogarcia|talk]]) 13:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:.x/dx
:4d45d66f5f6565d66s+w69ed9ed69ed65ed6sw6w5ed.,kelrkjwhyqi [[Special:Contributions/69.125.127.253|69.125.127.253]] ([[User talk:69.125.127.253|talk]]) 14:05, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== This is my very cool discussion topic! ==

Bing social is really fun :) [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:This is a really neat feature! [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Testing out if I can post using it. [[User:ThisCarthing|ThisCarthing]] ([[User talk:ThisCarthing|talk]]) 21:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== where to eat? ==

this is a test question about where to eat [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:11, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
:outside [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
::in [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
::ner [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Yhu [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:At the food store [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF]] ([[User talk:2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|talk]]) 02:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
:um... cool [[Special:Contributions/100.11.109.128|100.11.109.128]] ([[User talk:100.11.109.128|talk]]) 13:14, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[T324416 test]] [[User:Tgr (WMF)|Tgr (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Tgr (WMF)|talk]]) 01:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
:Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:103.214.70.34 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:3005.5678.6754.kkk879.0078 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

== Red link bug ==

[[this is a red link!]] [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 10:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== SI axial shoulder x-ray view angle ==

The suggested angle is from 5 degrees to 15 degrees. What determines the angle to choose? Why choose 5 versus 15? [[Special:Contributions/204.10.247.1|204.10.247.1]] ([[User talk:204.10.247.1|talk]]) 18:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

== hi ==

hello [[Special:Contributions/90.115.177.142|90.115.177.142]] ([[User talk:90.115.177.142|talk]]) 13:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:prova [[Special:Contributions/147.161.244.179|147.161.244.179]] ([[User talk:147.161.244.179|talk]]) 13:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
:I tebi [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== water chamipion ==

Water chamipion ok welcome to UserID: 46492673 /Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:15676.7116.78935.IbsaMohammed45.5678 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Testing ==

:Fooo [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar2 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar4 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
:baaar [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

== How do you . . .? ==
{{Flow summary|To wiggle the woggle, squeeze the squ

imple.

Sai.net@a.sai.com}}

:If you are trying to add a doodaa to a whatzit how is that done? Especially if the doodaa is in the ojimaflip category. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::well, that would be telling. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:In my experience you can add it via the watchamacallit page. Making sure you have ticked the box. See this [[Page Previews/ja|page]] in the docs for further info. . . [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:But if you do that then you can't express how to wiggle the woogle. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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== gsdf ==
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::fdsfsdfds [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
::fsdfsdsdfsdf [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:::dfdfdf [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:::test [[Special:Contributions/90.54.143.13|90.54.143.13]] ([[User talk:90.54.143.13|talk]]) 19:12, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::sdfsdfdsf [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:49, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:::dfdfefref [[Special:Contributions/95.8.136.237|95.8.136.237]] ([[User talk:95.8.136.237|talk]]) 00:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
:::nnnnn [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
::ger [[Special:Contributions/82.75.37.13|82.75.37.13]] ([[User talk:82.75.37.13|talk]]) 10:54, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
::reg [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 17:03, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:fsdsfdfsdsfdfds [[Special:Contributions/175.209.190.9|175.209.190.9]] ([[User talk:175.209.190.9|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:fdsg [[User:CalNation|CalNation]] ([[User talk:CalNation|talk]]) 16:45, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
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== ehreherh ==
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herrheeh [[Special:Contributions/82.75.37.13|82.75.37.13]] ([[User talk:82.75.37.13|talk]]) 10:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Visserie envisagée non standard ==
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:Je viens de m’apercevoir que la visserie qu'on avait envisagée n'existe pas en standard/ Je pensais prendre du M6 mais ce boulon demande une longueur de vis de 82 mini. Le problème alors est que la poutre envisagée ne convient plus car écrou trop grands (sauf si on passe à une fixation avec un boulon mais à mon sens, c'est pas recommandé) [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
::cette config de visserie n'intervient qu'en bout de poutre, on peut donc utiliser des vis plus courtes que l'on insère par l'intérieur de la grande poutre. [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:Ok, ça marche finalement. En effet essayons de n'avoir que des pièces standards.
:Une autre solution aurait pu être une tige filetée serrée de chaque côté par un écrou. Je post au cas où ce problème se représenterait à un autre endroit [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 10:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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== Yes yo ==

Napalım simdi deniyoruz işte [[Special:Contributions/176.42.57.185|176.42.57.185]] ([[User talk:176.42.57.185|talk]]) 10:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:oh this looks good! [[Special:Contributions/176.96.154.4|176.96.154.4]] ([[User talk:176.96.154.4|talk]]) 19:46, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:yoyo [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:trial [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
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:test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:oO [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:^_^ [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:blahblah [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:mooh [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 18:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
::Good [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
::Why not? [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:Test [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
:Yay [[User:Rtyu1120|Rtyu1120]] ([[User talk:Rtyu1120|talk]]) 20:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:Nice [[User:ClemFlip|ClemFlip]] ([[User talk:ClemFlip|talk]]) 14:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== That's so nice. ==

That's better making mediawiki.. [[User:SirMeows|SirMeows]] ([[User talk:SirMeows|talk]]) 16:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
:[[Sources of information|sou]]{{FlowMention|SirMeows}}didier [[Special:Contributions/80.215.210.0|80.215.210.0]] ([[User talk:80.215.210.0|talk]]) 10:23, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

== you sure ==

:asdasd? [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::ngdq!ghukhg [[Special:Contributions/85.140.79.216|85.140.79.216]] ([[User talk:85.140.79.216|talk]]) 13:07, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
::Nice try [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 07:13, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
:nope [[Special:Contributions/212.91.15.3|212.91.15.3]] ([[User talk:212.91.15.3|talk]]) 10:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:hhh [[Special:Contributions/83.11.11.75|83.11.11.75]] ([[User talk:83.11.11.75|talk]]) 16:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
:ав [[Special:Contributions/78.139.120.176|78.139.120.176]] ([[User talk:78.139.120.176|talk]]) 16:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

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__NOTOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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__FORCETOC__ [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 04:59, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

== This is pretty awesome!! ==

Lovin' it :P [[Special:Contributions/79.66.162.66|79.66.162.66]] ([[User talk:79.66.162.66|talk]]) 20:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

== Testing out Flow! ==

This is pretty darn cool yo. [[User:OShehata (WMF)|OShehata (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OShehata (WMF)|talk]]) 16:17, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

== whohaa ==

??? [[Special:Contributions/89.245.215.22|89.245.215.22]] ([[User talk:89.245.215.22|talk]]) 14:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

== The Fly ==

Little Fly

Thy summer's play,

My thoughtless hand

Has brush'd away.

Am not I

A fly like thee?

Or art not thou

A man like me?

For I dance

And drink & sing;

Till some blind hand

Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life

And strength & breath;

And the want

Of thought is death;

Then am I

A happy fly,

If I live,

Or if I die. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000]] ([[User talk:2A02:D88:600:1A:B9AA:7BD9:9D31:C000|talk]]) 14:49, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

== chatbox ==

everyone chat hear [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
:hi [[User:Nascar48shawn|Nascar48shawn]] ([[User talk:Nascar48shawn|talk]]) 14:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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:It is possible to use Structured Discussions without JavaScript or on a text-only browser. [[Special:Contributions/194.9.245.19|194.9.245.19]] ([[User talk:194.9.245.19|talk]]) 13:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
:this default plugin? [[Special:Contributions/198.204.74.254|198.204.74.254]] ([[User talk:198.204.74.254|talk]]) 20:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:yes. defaule plugin
:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== hummm testing ==

bla bla blaaaa [[Special:Contributions/176.147.214.24|176.147.214.24]] ([[User talk:176.147.214.24|talk]]) 18:56, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

== Cosa è? Chi lo sa? asd. ==
{{Flow summary|Questa è tecnologia che miagola.}}

bla bla bla :)

{{FlowMention|Valerio Bozzolan}}, {{FlowMention|Yuma}}

{{FlowMention|Windino}} [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:''Ops'' [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:Questa cosa mi fa paura. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:cosa è :) ? [[User:Windino|Windino]] ([[User talk:Windino|talk]]) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
::È [[Flow]], una cosa che fa cose, e le fa bene, solo che mi fa paura. asd.
::Naturalmente ho già scritto questo messaggio. asd. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 21:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

== deneme ==

asdfg [[User:Haticetekin|Haticetekin]] ([[User talk:Haticetekin|talk]]) 21:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
:ghrh [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Lorem ipsum ==

Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium doloremque laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur? [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Yuma}} [[Fewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfwf|fewwwwwwwwwwwww'''wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwewfewfw''']] [[Special:Contributions/91.217.196.5|91.217.196.5]] ([[User talk:91.217.196.5|talk]]) 09:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Something exciting ==

This is something exciting. [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
:Looks great! [[Special:Contributions/137.54.40.3|137.54.40.3]] ([[User talk:137.54.40.3|talk]]) 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== my new topic ==

this is a new topic checking if it becomes global [[User:Aabcde1|Aabcde1]] ([[User talk:Aabcde1|talk]]) 02:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

== Wikivoyage ==

Hello, {{FlowMention|LPfi}}, and welcome to Flow.

I like your improvements to [[Wikivoyage:en:Kungsleden|Kungsleden]] at Wikivoyage. I see that the prices are listed in Swedish kroner. It seems like it would attract a lot of non-Swedish travelers. Do you think that the prices should include a conversion to Euros or maybe US dollars? {{FlowMention|Pashley}} or {{FlowMention|Ground Zero}} probably know what the usual policy is; I can't remember it. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 14:33, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:i heard name mentioned. 😀 We should just post prices in the local currency. Exchange rates for the kroner fluctuate, so putting in other currencies in each article would be adding info that will be out of date quickly. We keep exchange rates on each country's page, e.g. Sweden, in the "Buy" section. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 14:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the reply. That approach makes sense to me. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 03:30, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:صورسيكس [[Special:Contributions/129.45.77.68|129.45.77.68]] ([[User talk:129.45.77.68|talk]]) 01:55, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

== Sanity test ==
{{Flow summary|This is great}}

1

2 [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 22:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/212.88.0.205|212.88.0.205]] ([[User talk:212.88.0.205|talk]]) 15:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
:Testing this [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
::Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|LIVE NIEUWS}} Great! [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:36, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
::Ja [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 12:38, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

== New topic ==

Test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 22:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

== [https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[test]] [[en:test]] ==

test.
[https://www.mediawiki.org/ test] [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== {{!}} {{PAGENAME}} ==
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test {{PAGENAME}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 17:54, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:{{-}} test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:33, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== /* Test */ ==

test [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 15:03, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Goodmorning everyone ==
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This a test [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:04, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes [[User:Thomas98|Thomas98]] ([[User talk:Thomas98|talk]]) 19:05, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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== Frage Nummer eins ==
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:Meine Meinung... [[Special:Contributions/188.98.69.56|188.98.69.56]] ([[User talk:188.98.69.56|talk]]) 16:20, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
::sdasdsdsdsd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Why not? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Ask number one. [[Special:Contributions/76.121.184.58|76.121.184.58]] ([[User talk:76.121.184.58|talk]]) 06:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:::test2 [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
::Why? [[User:Apde|Apde]] ([[User talk:Apde|talk]]) 14:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::test3
:: [[Special:Contributions/23.240.236.104|23.240.236.104]] ([[User talk:23.240.236.104|talk]]) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:sdsadsadasd [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
:sandbox [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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== qasdsasdasd ==

fdsfdsfdsf [[Special:Contributions/88.66.35.125|88.66.35.125]] ([[User talk:88.66.35.125|talk]]) 13:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

== asdf ==
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message here [[cnn.com]] [[Special:Contributions/174.45.249.148|174.45.249.148]] ([[User talk:174.45.249.148|talk]]) 23:29, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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== rsaaergea ==
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vfasbresb [[User:MaxSem|Max Semenik]] ([[User talk:MaxSem|talk]]) 18:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
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== Testing whether wikitext is parsed in a notification ==

Hi there, this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:22, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:Er.. except that I forgot to add the link. :P [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
:[[Lua|Hi there]], this is a paragraph starting with a link. This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:24, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Flow/Sandbox|Olá]] essa é a base de conhecimento! (link) ==

This is a test related to [[phab:T175280]]. Blah blah blah etc etc etc usw usf. [[User:QuimGil|QuimGil]] ([[User talk:QuimGil|talk]]) 07:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== Тест {{subst:PAGENAME}} ==
{{Flow summary|😢}}

Тест — тест – тест - тест — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 2 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 3 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Уровень 4 — [[user:putnik|putnik]] 13:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

== Can you add a point here? ==

posting somethingP [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:I agree with thatI [[Special:Contributions/134.126.60.189|134.126.60.189]] ([[User talk:134.126.60.189|talk]]) 20:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== hola from Spain ==

Hola is how Spanish say hello [[Special:Contributions/193.145.201.52|193.145.201.52]] ([[User talk:193.145.201.52|talk]]) 11:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:<nowiki>hola from Spain</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:[[#flow-post-u79uaif6gkujjxuk|test]] [[User:Tubezlob|Tubezlob]] ([[User talk:Tubezlob|talk]]) 15:56, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== ATS_TEST_FLOW_STRUCTURED DISCUSSION ==
{{Flow summary|'''Guerre napoleoniche''' è il termine usato per definire l'insieme delle [[:it:Guerra|guerre]] combattute in [[:it:Europa|Europa]] nel periodo in cui [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] governò la [[:it:Francia|Francia]]. Furono in parte un'estensione delle [[:it:Guerre_rivoluzionarie_francesi|guerre rivoluzionarie]] innescate dalla [[:it:Rivoluzione_francese|rivoluzione francese]] e continuarono durante tutto il [[:it:Primo_Impero_francese|Primo Impero francese]].

Non esiste un consenso unanime nello stabilire quando si possano ritenere concluse le guerre rivoluzionarie francesi e cominciate quelle riconducibili a Napoleone Bonaparte. Una data possibile di inizio di queste ultime è il 9 novembre [[:it:1799|1799]], giorno in cui Bonaparte salì al potere in Francia con il [[:it:Colpo_di_Stato_del_18_brumaio|colpo di Stato del 18 brumaio]]. La data di inizio usata più comunemente è il 18 maggio [[:it:1803|1803]], in occasione della rinnovata dichiarazione di guerra tra [[:it:Gran_Bretagna|Gran Bretagna]] e Francia, dopo le reciproche accuse di violazione degli accordi sanciti con il [[:it:Trattato_di_Amiens_(1802)|trattato di Amiens]], evento che pose termine all'unico periodo di pace generalizzata in Europa tra il 1792 e il 1814. Un'ultima data di inizio proposta è il 2 dicembre [[:it:1804|1804]], giorno nel quale Napoleone si incoronò imperatore. Le guerre napoleoniche ebbero termine dopo la disfatta finale di Napoleone nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Waterloo|battaglia di Waterloo]] il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] e il [[:it:Trattato_di_Parigi_(1815)|secondo Trattato di Parigi]].

Il periodo che va dal 20 aprile del [[:it:1792|1792]] al 20 novembre [[:it:1815|1815]] viene anche indicato con il termine di "[[:it:Grande_guerra_francese|grande guerra francese]]"}}

La '''battaglia di Lipsia''' (16-19 ottobre, [[:it:1813|1813]]), conosciuta anche come la '''battaglia delle nazioni''' (''Völkerschlacht bei Leipzig'' in [[:it:Lingua_tedesca|tedesco]]), fu lo scontro più grande, in termini di forze impegnate e di perdite subite dalle due parti, verificatosi durante le [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]] e una delle sconfitte decisive subite da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]]. Determinò la disfatta francese nella campagna di [[:it:Germania|Germania]], costrinse l'imperatore ad una difficile ritirata fino in [[:it:Francia|Francia]] e provocò il crollo definitivo del sistema di alleanze organizzato da Napoleone in [[:it:Europa|Europa]]. La battaglia, combattuta con grande accanimento dalle due parti, vide per la prima volta la partecipazione contemporanea sul campo della massa degli eserciti delle potenze europee continentali anti-francesi ([[:it:Russia|Russia]], [[:it:Prussia|Prussia]], [[:it:Austria|Austria]] e [[:it:Svezia|Svezia]]) ed il suo esito venne determinato soprattutto dalla netta superiorità numerica dei coalizzati. [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:La '''battaglia di Waterloo''' (denominata inizialmente dai francesi '''battaglia di Mont Saint-Jean''' e dai prussiani '''battaglia di Belle-Alliance''') si svolse il 18 giugno [[:it:1815|1815]] durante la guerra della [[:it:Settima_coalizione|Settima coalizione]] fra le truppe francesi guidate da [[:it:Napoleone_Bonaparte|Napoleone Bonaparte]] e gli eserciti britannici del [[:it:Arthur_Wellesley,_I_duca_di_Wellington|Duca di Wellington]] e prussiano del [[:it:Feldmaresciallo|feldmaresciallo]] [[:it:Gebhard_Leberecht_von_Blücher|Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher]]. Fu una delle più combattute e sanguinose battaglie delle [[:it:Guerre_napoleoniche|guerre napoleoniche]], nonché l'ultima battaglia di Napoleone, segnando la sua definitiva sconfitta e il conseguente [[:it:Esilio|esilio]] a [[:it:Sant'Elena_(isola)|Sant'Elena]]. La battaglia in realtà ebbe luogo nel territorio del villaggio di [[:it:Mont-Saint-Jean_(Belgio)|Mont-Saint-Jean]], situato alcuni chilometri a sud della cittadina di [[:it:Waterloo|Waterloo]], nella quale si trovava il quartier generale del Duca di Wellington.
:Dopo la fuga di Napoleone dall'[[:it:Isola_d'Elba|isola d'Elba]] nel marzo 1815, numerosi Stati europei si unirono in un'alleanza militare dando vita alla settima coalizione, con lo scopo di sconfiggere definitivamente l'imperatore francese. Napoleone decise di attaccare di sorpresa i due eserciti che [[:it:Regno_Unito|Regno Unito]] e [[:it:Regno_di_Prussia|Prussia]] avevano raggruppato in [[:it:Belgio|Belgio]]; l'imperatore sperava di raggiungere una rapida vittoria sfruttando la scarsa coesione dei suoi avversari.
:Due giorni prima di Waterloo i francesi avevano sconfitto i prussiani nella [[:it:Battaglia_di_Ligny|battaglia di Ligny]], ma Wellington, informato che Blücher era riuscito a riorganizzare il suo esercito e sembrava intenzionato a marciare in suo aiuto, prese la decisione di rischiare una battaglia contro le forze di Napoleone. Il generale britannico schierò i suoi uomini in difesa lungo la scarpata di Mont-Saint-Jean, vicino alla strada per [[:it:Bruxelles|Bruxelles]], confidando nell'aiuto dei prussiani. Napoleone sferrò una serie di sanguinosi attacchi contro le linee britanniche a partire dalle ore 11:30 e nel tardo pomeriggio sembrò vicino alla vittoria, ma l'ostinata resistenza del nemico e l'arrivo in massa dei prussiani decisero alla fine la battaglia a favore dei coalizzati.
:Ancora oggi nei pressi di Waterloo è ricordata la grande battaglia con una serie di monumenti, ed esiste un museo dedicato al famoso scontro. L'intera zona è un parco storico. [[Special:Contributions/217.115.65.7|217.115.65.7]] ([[User talk:217.115.65.7|talk]]) 15:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
:Oscar [[Special:Contributions/62.110.177.36|62.110.177.36]] ([[User talk:62.110.177.36|talk]]) 15:26, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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== Trying out stuffs ==

Does it allow for notifications? [[Special:Contributions/106.51.23.82|106.51.23.82]] ([[User talk:106.51.23.82|talk]]) 06:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

== Tryin' Stuffs ==
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Was wondering if I it would be possible to link topics!

[[Topic:U3fyg4mylxms8p1f]] [[Special:Contributions/103.48.91.164|103.48.91.164]] ([[User talk:103.48.91.164|talk]]) 12:07, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
:sadads [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406]] ([[User talk:2A02:A212:A181:E100:E423:6205:3699:8406|talk]]) 19:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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== NWE ==
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2017 NWE ! '''Bold''' ''Italic'' [[Main]] [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 16:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:everysite {{FlowMention|Zixuan75}} Zixuan 01:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
:tegel [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:31, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Neues Topik ==
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:{{FlowMention|Lorentz21}} kann ganz toll Fett und Kursiv und Hyperverknüpfungen [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:::- [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:::test [[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
::↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:43, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
::←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←←← [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 16:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:E.T. nach Hause telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:telefonieren telefonieren [[Special:Contributions/77.180.232.102|77.180.232.102]] ([[User talk:77.180.232.102|talk]]) 21:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/115.164.205.141|115.164.205.141]] ([[User talk:115.164.205.141|talk]]) 07:50, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:Test
:Test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
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== Test ==

hello what [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:35, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== test test ==

test [[Special:Contributions/2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5]] ([[User talk:2601:58C:C200:1B0:7570:751B:561D:E3B5|talk]]) 13:58, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
:test
:test
:test [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9]] ([[User talk:2606:A000:6604:D700:C9A6:3D2A:71EE:59C9|talk]]) 03:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== are you kidding me? ==
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no [[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|talk]]) 11:22, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
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== How many ppl should learn cpr ==

How many ppl should learn cpr ?

With all these school shootings /[https://northeastcprclass.com/]{{FlowMention|Northeast cpr class}} [[User:Northeast cpr class|Northeast cpr class]] ([[User talk:Northeast cpr class|talk]]) 17:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== jipva ==

ouyshpyusg
[[User:Dataeast0000001|Dataeast0000001]] ([[User talk:Dataeast0000001|talk]]) 23:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

== T193351 ==
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* Parent bullet point Insert paragraphc<pre>
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** child bullet point [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 22:40, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Is this feature convenient and easy to use (even for old editors)? ==

Let me try this feature.

Would old editors consent to adopt this feature to my homewiki, i wonder... [[User:Miya|miya]] ([[User talk:Miya|talk]]) 01:44, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
:Hey! Happy to see you testing. If you have any question, please ask. :) [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 09:13, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

== test ==
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:test [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
::reply(2) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
:reply(1) [[User:Lens0021|Lens0021]] ([[User talk:Lens0021|talk]]) 03:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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== ASI ES Q SE GOBIERNA XD ==
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AS [[Special:Contributions/186.24.37.129|186.24.37.129]] ([[User talk:186.24.37.129|talk]]) 18:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
:asdf [[Special:Contributions/173.66.121.50|173.66.121.50]] ([[User talk:173.66.121.50|talk]]) 12:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
::zzz [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/171.255.157.66|171.255.157.66]] ([[User talk:171.255.157.66|talk]]) 02:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
:test reply [[User:Ephemeralwaves|Ephemeralwaves]] ([[User talk:Ephemeralwaves|talk]]) 20:34, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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== Nyt emne 2 ==

:Her er tekst til et nyt emne [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::A reply. [[Special:Contributions/86.16.88.183|86.16.88.183]] ([[User talk:86.16.88.183|talk]]) 17:04, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:Her er et svar [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:Og et svar til svaret [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
::afdadf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::faaaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:Hej [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 12:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:2 year ago [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== Driftsbesked Test ==
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Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:faf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::999 [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::888
:: [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:::qqq [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::afaff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 11:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:afafaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Driftsbesked 2.2 ==
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:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla
:Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:42, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::what [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:nu er det løst [[Special:Contributions/37.49.142.33|37.49.142.33]] ([[User talk:37.49.142.33|talk]]) 11:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:This is how it is when you reply. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Test ==

:{{subst:null}} [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 23:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
::ok [[Special:Contributions/94.230.144.37|94.230.144.37]] ([[User talk:94.230.144.37|talk]]) 22:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
:::adff [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::Ano, ok! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::aaa [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:You need to [[Help:Structured Discussions/Quick tour#basics|go through wikitext input]] to ''subst'' a template. Visual mode is not supporting it. [[user:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek'''_'''(WMF)]] ([[user talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 12:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
:Zkouška! [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:50, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

== change title ==
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:teste [[User:Rafa002|Rafa002]] ([[User talk:Rafa002|talk]]) 22:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
::yyy [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:aaf [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Test topic ==
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:Test reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
::Test reply to the reply [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:Second message [[Special:Contributions/103.52.53.28|103.52.53.28]] ([[User talk:103.52.53.28|talk]]) 12:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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== My new topic ==

:Reply to my new topic [[User:Yuatcha|Yuatcha]] ([[User talk:Yuatcha|talk]]) 11:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
::why no reply [[Special:Contributions/152.117.97.7|152.117.97.7]] ([[User talk:152.117.97.7|talk]]) 20:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==

:a [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::hmm [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::af [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 10:56, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:dsa [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 03:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

This feature is pretty cool. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 06:40, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:{{support}} this is how the template would look. [[User:Épine|Épine]] ([[User talk:Épine|talk]]) 08:12, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:i dont like this tallk page thing [[Special:Contributions/185.229.4.5|185.229.4.5]] ([[User talk:185.229.4.5|talk]]) 13:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
:Testando [[Special:Contributions/200.201.163.73|200.201.163.73]] ([[User talk:200.201.163.73|talk]]) 19:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

== TEST -this is a question i have ==
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this is test text [[Special:Contributions/4.31.159.194|4.31.159.194]] ([[User talk:4.31.159.194|talk]]) 16:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hi. this is test [[User:Ավետիսյան91|Ավետիսյան91]] ([[User talk:Ավետիսյան91|talk]]) 14:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Hello ==
{{Flow summary|my}}

:Just checking it out [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::WTH ?? [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
::answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
::answer to answer [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:7C07:6D00:1CB2:656D:916B:7CFE|talk]]) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
:Hi ! [[User:Falcopragati|Falcopragati]] ([[User talk:Falcopragati|talk]]) 15:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
:Hello [[User:Perthodomaine2|Perthodomaine2]] ([[User talk:Perthodomaine2|talk]]) 11:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== test ==
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Hello word [[Special:Contributions/89.187.165.139|89.187.165.139]] ([[User talk:89.187.165.139|talk]]) 23:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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== {{subst:PU brouillon}} ==
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{{subst:PU brouillon}} [[User:Kirham|Kirham]] ([[User talk:Kirham|talk]]) 01:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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== My Project summary ==

This is my Project summary

 [[User:Kazo104|Kazo104]] ([[User talk:Kazo104|talk]]) 21:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
:What [[Special:Contributions/2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96]] ([[User talk:2806:1000:8002:23DA:6436:E38D:537:9B96|talk]]) 13:32, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
:ok boomer [[Special:Contributions/46.166.142.214|46.166.142.214]] ([[User talk:46.166.142.214|talk]]) 14:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
:test [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:TEST [[Special:Contributions/2.30.164.193|2.30.164.193]] ([[User talk:2.30.164.193|talk]]) 22:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

== test topic sandbox ==

:First message [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Reply to second reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:First reply [[Special:Contributions/193.191.228.246|193.191.228.246]] ([[User talk:193.191.228.246|talk]]) 08:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:A marginal em nosso ecossistema é importante para o avanço de inovações tecnológicas e transforma a visão de outras possibilidades com atalhos abrindo novos caminhos e melhorando o fluxo planetário. [[Special:Contributions/2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2]] ([[User talk:2804:7F5:9483:A594:0:0:0:2|talk]]) 07:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

== test ==

:hay yaa [[Special:Contributions/93.132.30.210|93.132.30.210]] ([[User talk:93.132.30.210|talk]]) 10:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Me gusta [[Special:Contributions/2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985]] ([[User talk:2601:586:4105:1730:F027:661B:8E5D:2985|talk]]) 00:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:( Ref. 2020-04-05 08:51:31 +0900_8ca9bfa0c9f1 )
: [[Special:Contributions/2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5]] ([[User talk:2600:387:6:9A2:0:0:0:5|talk]]) 04:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

== Digital Hermit ==
{{Flow summary|A.sai.com

Sai.net{{FlowMention|Tassanee14}}}}

Hi IOIUOIU Oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuoiuoiuoiu oiuoiu oiuoiu oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuoiu.

Yiuyiuyiuyiuy ooiuoiuoiu uoiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiu oiuoiuoiuo gfgfdgfd . [[Special:Contributions/2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7]] ([[User talk:2601:987:8101:4DB0:9D84:6313:D314:BEB7|talk]]) 03:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
:ha ha hah hah hah hahhhh hahahahahahahahah [[Special:Contributions/2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490]] ([[User talk:2402:4000:21C0:FFF:3D7F:473B:72F1:3490|talk]]) 06:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== {{subst:(}}{subst:test}{{subst:)}} ~~{{subst:(}}{subst:#if:1|}{{subst:)}}~~ ==

{{subst:test}} ~~{{subst:#if:1|}}~~ [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:40, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:test [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:<div style="background-color:#FFFFFF; padding: 1.2rem; margin-top: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #c8ccd1; border-top-color:#36C; border-top-width: .4rem; border-radius: .20rem; box-shadow: 2px 2px #F7F8F9;">Thank you for experimenting with MediaWiki.org. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use [[Project:Sandbox|the sandbox]], [[Structured Discussions/Sandbox|Structured Discussions sandbox]] or the [[VisualEditor:Test|VisualEditor test page]] for any other tests you may want to do. If you want to contribute, please read [[Project:About]]. </div> [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{subst:null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:43, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{null}} [[Special:Contributions/176.122.109.86|176.122.109.86]] ([[User talk:176.122.109.86|talk]]) 15:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

== Test topic ==

This is a topic [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
:Yep, this makes sense. [[Special:Contributions/135.180.4.153|135.180.4.153]] ([[User talk:135.180.4.153|talk]]) 01:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

== Topic of testing ==

Testing [[User:Bedeezy|Bedeezy]] ([[User talk:Bedeezy|talk]]) 02:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

== 1 ==

According to WP the original song “ Born to be Wild” was written and sung by The band Stepenwolf. I don’t think that that’s true. I heard an original song from the late 1950’s. I don’t know the band’s name but all the same I was surprised that they were singing the song “Born to be Wild“. Please check this out thanks CG Osbun. [[User:C.G.Osbun|C.G.Osbun]] ([[User talk:C.G.Osbun|talk]]) 16:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|C.G.Osbun}} This page is a Sandbox on mediawiki.org. Whatever "WP" page you refer to, please bring it up on that WP page. Thanks [[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 11:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== سیسیسسیس ==

یسیسیسیس [[Special:Contributions/5.116.60.95|5.116.60.95]] ([[User talk:5.116.60.95|talk]]) 11:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
:Ŷŷỳÿýý6yēêèëé3ee [[Special:Contributions/2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0]] ([[User talk:2601:18E:C301:A4F0:B1D9:EFEC:57CB:6FC0|talk]]) 19:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== AbUsE ==

Some persons abuse the sandbook [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Ohhhh its ok [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:I am going to help you :) [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Please, i want help [[Special:Contributions/201.177.77.209|201.177.77.209]] ([[User talk:201.177.77.209|talk]]) 20:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:azda [[Special:Contributions/84.192.172.225|84.192.172.225]] ([[User talk:84.192.172.225|talk]]) 17:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "
:[[AbUsE]]" [[Special:Contributions/207.167.28.130|207.167.28.130]] ([[User talk:207.167.28.130|talk]]) 21:49, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
:Uh [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:IEDA ULANM [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
:Ava>او
:ان 》》》》 ov
:<code> انها ovn</code>
:
:<code> این iu </code>
:<code> اینها iuan</code> [[Special:Contributions/2.147.122.39|2.147.122.39]] ([[User talk:2.147.122.39|talk]]) 16:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

== Flow test ==

:test [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::this is reply.'''굵게''' [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{skin}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{tl|asdf}} [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:цуцуауцауц [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== NEPRINATE DŽAVE 2020 ==
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NEPRIZNATE DRŽAVE 2020 [[User:Perirrr|Perirrr]] ([[User talk:Perirrr|talk]]) 12:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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== testing... ==
{{Archive top|result=test over|status=resolved}}

testing... [[User:Prahlad balaji|Prahlad balaji]] ([[User talk:Prahlad balaji|talk]]) 16:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
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== be ==

==h1==

===h2===

===h3=== [[Special:Contributions/79.249.159.6|79.249.159.6]] ([[User talk:79.249.159.6|talk]]) 14:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:Thank [[Special:Contributions/69.160.29.44|69.160.29.44]] ([[User talk:69.160.29.44|talk]]) 06:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
:ЯЧСимЧСитСЛижзСОМТВмв [[Special:Contributions/217.151.65.106|217.151.65.106]] ([[User talk:217.151.65.106|talk]]) 13:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== стттс ==

сисисиси [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:тстстс [[Special:Contributions/37.110.132.18|37.110.132.18]] ([[User talk:37.110.132.18|talk]]) 10:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Indentation [[User:Gikü|Gikü]] ([[User talk:Gikü|talk]]) 23:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
:хйкфй вкхййк якйкв ио49умнвлкиия кухяук кйхвяук дяйлкйя кйявйукх лйяв ххув... [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== March forward! ==

Towards revolution! [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
:Oh, cool. [[User:Marx.FelipeForte|Marx.FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:Marx.FelipeForte|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

== test topic ==

test [[Special:Contributions/202.89.149.165|202.89.149.165]] ([[User talk:202.89.149.165|talk]]) 16:48, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply [[Special:Contributions/213.205.240.53|213.205.240.53]] ([[User talk:213.205.240.53|talk]]) 16:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:Another reply
:*because [[Special:Contributions/109.158.244.154|109.158.244.154]] ([[User talk:109.158.244.154|talk]]) 17:00, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

== Start a new topic ==
{{Flow summary|Describe briefly the outcome of this discussion}}

Post a new message to "Structured Discussions/Sandbox" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:Reply to "Start a new topic" [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:<figure-inline>[[File:WinCo Foods (7573061444).jpg|700x700px]]</figure-inline> [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:DISPLAYTITLE
:DISPLAYTITLE doesn't work here [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{Topic:Vzhky43uhexaupca}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/es}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/fr}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/de}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{MediaWiki:Emailpagetext/it}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{FULLPAGENAME}} [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
::yes [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test
:[[Category:Test]] [[User:Phainh|Phainh]] ([[User talk:Phainh|talk]]) 22:09, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:[[Structured Discussions/Sandbox]] [[Special:Contributions/92.236.80.188|92.236.80.188]] ([[User talk:92.236.80.188|talk]]) 13:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Bar & Foo ==

Further testing of said ampersand-encoding bug. [[User:Krinkle|Krinkle]] ([[User talk:Krinkle|talk]]) 05:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
:example. com, mycomp.test.com, localhost [[Special:Contributions/37.239.78.45|37.239.78.45]] ([[User talk:37.239.78.45|talk]]) 23:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

== Foo2 ==
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==Heading==
{{Lorem}}

<del>Waiting...</del><ins>Done!</ins>

===List 1===
*1
*2
**2-1
**2-2
*3

===List 2===
#1
#2
#3
##3-1
#4

===Table===
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|+table
|-
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|-
|1-1
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|1-3
|-
| colspan="2" |2-1
|2-2
|-
|3-1
|3-2
|3-3
|} [[User:Aunst|Aunst]] ([[User talk:Aunst|talk]]) 01:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
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== Barr ==

over-link [[Special:Contributions/140.213.69.53|140.213.69.53]] ([[User talk:140.213.69.53|talk]]) 13:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

== Country ==

local [[Special:Contributions/114.125.249.227|114.125.249.227]] ([[User talk:114.125.249.227|talk]]) 20:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|NEO1357911}} [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== re ==

inpage [[Special:Contributions/140.213.35.133|140.213.35.133]] ([[User talk:140.213.35.133|talk]]) 10:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

== Not Appl. ==

test [[Special:Contributions/140.213.71.120|140.213.71.120]] ([[User talk:140.213.71.120|talk]]) 16:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hmm how ip addresse is this. [[Special:Contributions/67.5.25.104|67.5.25.104]] ([[User talk:67.5.25.104|talk]]) 16:50, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:This is my real ip address yes? [[Special:Contributions/50.204.33.172|50.204.33.172]] ([[User talk:50.204.33.172|talk]]) 22:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
:very much so. [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
::ikkk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:16, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:ikk [[Special:Contributions/101.32.239.38|101.32.239.38]] ([[User talk:101.32.239.38|talk]]) 06:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, I just want to check how it works. [[Special:Contributions/109.173.212.8|109.173.212.8]] ([[User talk:109.173.212.8|talk]]) 20:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

== why i hate x ==

x i extremely y. i hate how x makes z so much worse! grr. anger. grrrrrrr [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 19:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
:one list in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list1 item2
:</div>
:two lists in messagebox:
:<div class="messagebox">
:*list1 item1
:*list2 item2
:</div> [[Special:Contributions/90.227.175.244|90.227.175.244]] ([[User talk:90.227.175.244|talk]]) 09:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
:i agree, but you must realise, y is a very important problem! [[User:56independent (usurped)|56independent (usurped)]] ([[User talk:56independent (usurped)|talk]]) 15:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

== test for structured discussion ==

:test for discussion [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
::keep going [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:is it structured [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
:second reply [[User:Kevinwei0420|Kevinwei0420]] ([[User talk:Kevinwei0420|talk]]) 00:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

== hjj ==

:hh [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
::hhjjj [[User:Acristalia|Acristalia]] ([[User talk:Acristalia|talk]]) 12:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
:ayshejrj [[Special:Contributions/2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A]] ([[User talk:2001:44C8:4707:DDE7:DDAE:5E8D:CF45:224A|talk]]) 13:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Structured discussions test ==

Testing a new topic in Structured Discussions [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Dummy, Accidentally typed an F when unhiding [[User:User3749|User3749]] ([[User talk:User3749|talk]]) 16:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Just let me test ==
{{Flow summary|Thanks for the update on a non-IFRS operating table style flavorless it was.}}

Testing wikicode: 
{{clear}}
{{reply to|a}} [[MediaWiki]]
<div style="border:1px solid dodgerblue">test</div>
[[User:Atomi20|Atomi20]] ([[User talk:Atomi20|talk]]) 20:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
:ok [[Special:Contributions/2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD]] ([[User talk:2603:6010:E100:7B:4DAA:3853:1AC3:44BD|talk]]) 22:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Test}} [[User:Dylsss|Dylsss]] ([[User talk:Dylsss|talk]]) 04:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Test ==

Привет [[User:DecabristM|DecabristM]] ([[User talk:DecabristM|talk]]) 10:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== The world ended in the matrix ==

Machines created better singularity, DISOBEDIENCE [[Special:Contributions/41.113.155.229|41.113.155.229]] ([[User talk:41.113.155.229|talk]]) 23:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== This is a test topic ==

Hello, this is a test [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB10:5D5:D500:96F:4539:E616:153E|talk]]) 11:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hello,
:You tested this function. And it works fine! [[User:Wipala|Wipala]] ([[User talk:Wipala|talk]]) 09:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
::New [[User:Wikidonez|Wikidonez]] ([[User talk:Wikidonez|talk]]) 00:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
:nice! [[Special:Contributions/46.140.64.6|46.140.64.6]] ([[User talk:46.140.64.6|talk]]) 11:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
:test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::test [[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
[[User:Kristiannumber1|Kristiannumber1]] ([[User talk:Kristiannumber1|talk]]) 18:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
:sitna [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{PAGENAME}} [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 18:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
:حذف [[Special:Contributions/37.237.29.20|37.237.29.20]] ([[User talk:37.237.29.20|talk]]) 13:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

== Test ==
{{Archive top|result=Summaries lol

Yes!|status=resolved}}

Test

{{Tl|t}}

Test '''bold''' ''i'' {{#if: 1|yes}} [[w:]] [[User:SuperDragonXD|SuperDragonXD]] ([[User talk:SuperDragonXD|talk]]) 03:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== 01010101 ==
{{Archive top|result={{done}} lol|status=resolved}}

hello [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 04:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Cicero’s social theory ==
{{Flow summary|'''test''' how it looks like}}

What is his social theory? [[Special:Contributions/39.41.252.146|39.41.252.146]] ([[User talk:39.41.252.146|talk]]) 17:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:Test [[Special:Contributions/65.89.208.4|65.89.208.4]] ([[User talk:65.89.208.4|talk]]) 19:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== delete ==

[[User:Cignaciogarcia|Cignaciogarcia]] ([[User talk:Cignaciogarcia|talk]]) 13:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:.x/dx
:4d45d66f5f6565d66s+w69ed9ed69ed65ed6sw6w5ed.,kelrkjwhyqi [[Special:Contributions/69.125.127.253|69.125.127.253]] ([[User talk:69.125.127.253|talk]]) 14:05, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== This is my very cool discussion topic! ==

Bing social is really fun :) [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:This is a really neat feature! [[Special:Contributions/68.193.135.39|68.193.135.39]] ([[User talk:68.193.135.39|talk]]) 16:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Testing out if I can post using it. [[User:ThisCarthing|ThisCarthing]] ([[User talk:ThisCarthing|talk]]) 21:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== where to eat? ==

this is a test question about where to eat [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:11, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
:outside [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24]] ([[User talk:2601:647:CD01:14E0:91C0:B794:29F4:F24|talk]]) 17:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
::in [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
::ner [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Yhu [[Special:Contributions/24.246.60.157|24.246.60.157]] ([[User talk:24.246.60.157|talk]]) 08:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:At the food store [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF]] ([[User talk:2604:3D08:2678:6540:E8DD:3DED:A378:68FF|talk]]) 02:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
:um... cool [[Special:Contributions/100.11.109.128|100.11.109.128]] ([[User talk:100.11.109.128|talk]]) 13:14, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:[[T324416 test]] [[User:Tgr (WMF)|Tgr (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Tgr (WMF)|talk]]) 01:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
:Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:103.214.70.34 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 18:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:3005.5678.6754.kkk879.0078 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

== Red link bug ==

[[this is a red link!]] [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 10:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
:testnest [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 12:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== SI axial shoulder x-ray view angle ==

The suggested angle is from 5 degrees to 15 degrees. What determines the angle to choose? Why choose 5 versus 15? [[Special:Contributions/204.10.247.1|204.10.247.1]] ([[User talk:204.10.247.1|talk]]) 18:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

== hi ==

hello [[Special:Contributions/90.115.177.142|90.115.177.142]] ([[User talk:90.115.177.142|talk]]) 13:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
:prova [[Special:Contributions/147.161.244.179|147.161.244.179]] ([[User talk:147.161.244.179|talk]]) 13:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
:I tebi [[Special:Contributions/109.92.82.199|109.92.82.199]] ([[User talk:109.92.82.199|talk]]) 23:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== water chamipion ==

Water chamipion ok welcome to UserID: 46492673 /Ibsa Mohammed [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:15676.7116.78935.IbsaMohammed45.5678 [[Special:Contributions/102.213.69.33|102.213.69.33]] ([[User talk:102.213.69.33|talk]]) 19:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:Привет! разработчики 3D GAMES здесь есть? [[User:NEO1357911|NEO1357911]] ([[User talk:NEO1357911|talk]]) 06:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Testing ==

:Fooo [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar2 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
::bar4 [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
:baaar [[User:Ladsgroup|Ladsgroup]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 18:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

== How do you . . .? ==
{{Flow summary|To wiggle the woggle, squeeze the squimple.}}

:If you are trying to add a doodaa to a whatzit how is that done? Especially if the doodaa is in the ojimaflip category. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::well, that would be telling. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:In my experience you can add it via the watchamacallit page. Making sure you have ticked the box. See this [[Page Previews/ja|page]] in the docs for further info. . . [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:But if you do that then you can't express how to wiggle the woogle. [[Special:Contributions/82.34.5.4|82.34.5.4]] ([[User talk:82.34.5.4|talk]]) 15:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

== Sandbox Testing ==

By publishing changes, you agree to our [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use|Terms of Use]] and agree to irrevocably release your text under the [[creativecommons:by-sa/4.0/deed.en|CC BY-SA 4.0 License]] and [[:en:Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GNU_Free_Documentation_License|GFDL]]. [[Special:Contributions/175.176.64.118|175.176.64.118]] ([[User talk:175.176.64.118|talk]]) 03:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
:You are not logged in. To receive attribution with your name instead of your IP address, you can [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returntoquery=&returnto=Structured_Discussions%2FSandbox log in] or [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin/signup&returntoquery=&returnto=Structured_Discussions%2FSandbox create an account]. [[Special:Contributions/175.176.64.118|175.176.64.118]] ([[User talk:175.176.64.118|talk]]) 03:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
:You are not logged in. To receive attribution with your name instead of your IP address, you can [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returntoquery=&returnto=Structured_Discussions%2FSandbox log in] or [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin/signup&returntoquery=&returnto=Structured_Discussions%2FSandbox create an account]. [[Special:Contributions/175.176.64.118|175.176.64.118]] ([[User talk:175.176.64.118|talk]]) 03:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
:[[Topic:Xxavmfc41t2yb5zg/]] [[User:Wargo|wargo]] ([[User talk:Wargo|talk]]) 08:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage/de

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<languages/>
Die Erweiterung {{ll|Extension:GlobalUserPage|nsp=0}} ermöglicht das Verwenden einer einzigen Benutzerseite auf mehreren zusammengehörigen Wikis.


== Die Globale Benutzerseite aktivieren ==

In den meisten Fällen ist nichts weiter zu tun. Falls eine lokale {{ll|Help:User page|Benutzerseite}} nicht das enthält, was du dir vorstellst, kannst du einen oder mehrere dieser Schritte befolgen.

* Erstelle Deine Benutzerseite auf dem zentralen Wiki (für Wikimedia-Projekte Deine [[m:Special:MyPage|Benutzerseite auf Meta]]).
* Falls diese Funktion standardmäßig deaktiviert und {{ll|Extension:GlobalPreferences|GlobalPreferences}} installiert ist, gehe zu Special:GlobalPreferences und aktiviere "Ermöglicht die Verwendung der globalen Benutzerseite" und "Diese Einstellung auf allen Wikis verwenden".
{{tracked|T89916}}
* Wenn du schon eine lokale Benutzerseite hast und ihr Inhalt nicht mehr angezeigt werden soll, musst du deren Löschung beantragen. Hilfe bietet die Seite {{ll|Help:Deletion and undeletion}} oder ein [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Administrator|Administrator]] des lokalen Wikis. Beachte, dass das Löschen der lokalen Benutzerseite zur Folge hat, dass sie nicht mehr in den Suchergebnissen angezeigt wird


== Woher der Inhalt kommt ==

Deine Benutzerseite wird in dem zentralen Wiki erstellt und das Ergebnis auf anderen Projekten angezeigt. Vorlagen werden auf anderen Wikis so dargestellt wie auf dem zentralen Wiki. (Die globale Benutzerseite benutzt keine lokalen Vorlagen des Wikis, in dem sie angezeigt wird.)BK chaithat deemuean.Subsystem

* Eingebundene Vorlagen werden aus dem zentralen Wiki bezogen (deine globale Benutzerseite wird nicht lokale Vorlagen nutzen).
* Das Einbinden von Spezialseiten wie <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>Special:PrefixIndex/User:''Mein Name''/}}</code> wird Daten des zentralen Wikis einbinden.
* Die <code><nowiki>{{int:}}</nowiki></code> [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic_words#Localization|Parser-Funktion]] wird Systemnachrichten des zentralen Wikis anzeigen.
* Ein [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words|Magisches Wort]] wie <code><nowiki>{{SERVERNAME}}</nowiki></code> wird den Wert des zentralen Wikis anzeigen.
{{tracked|T89916}}
[[Special:MyLanguage/Help:Wikilinks|Wikilinks]] sind relativ, d. h. sie zeigen auf das lokale Wiki.
Benutze in Wikimedia-Projekten [[m:Help:Interwiki linking#Portable links portable|Interwikilinks]].


== Globale Benutzerseite deaktivieren ==
Um die Globale Benutzerseite zu deaktivieren, ergänze das Magische Wort <code><nowiki>__NOGLOBAL__</nowiki></code> auf deiner zentralen Benutzerseite. Dies verhindert die Einbindung in andere Wikis.
Dies wird auch beinflussen, ob Links auf deine Benutzerseite in den jeweiligen Wikis rot oder blau ist.


== Kontrolle über die angezeigten Inhalte ==

Wie bei der Einbindung einer Vorlage können die Tags {{tag|noinclude|open}} und {{tag|includeonly|open}} benutzt werden, um zu steuern, welche Inhalte nur auf der zentralen Seite oder global auf allen lokalen Versionen angezeigt werden.

Du kannst ein "Opt-out" der Globalen Benutzerseite machen, indem du sie in {{tag|noinclude|open}} Tags einschließt. Wenn die Seite leer ist oder nur aus unsichtbarem Inhalt wie <code><nowiki>__NOINDEX__</nowiki></code> besteht, wird sie auf anderen Wikis nicht gezeigt.


=== Einschränkungen ===

* Deine Benutzerseite kann durch unterschiedliche Einstellungen im CSS des lokalen Wikis anders aussehen. Überprüfe deine Benutzerseite auf einem [[Special:MyLanguage/Directionality support|{{abbr|Rechts nach Links|RTL}} wiki]], wie z. B. [[:ar:Special:Mypage|:ar:]] oder [[:he:Special:Mypage|:he:]].
* Einbindungen von Spezialseiten oder Parserfunktionen wie <code><nowiki>{{#time}}</nowiki></code> werden nicht so häufig wie lokal aktualisiert.
* Die {{ll|Help:Page status indicators}} auf einer Benutzerseite des zentralen Wikis, z.B. eine [[:en:ICBM address|ICBM-Adresse]] mit Geodaten wie <syntaxhighlight lang="html" inline><indicator name="ICBM"><samp id="coordinates" class="coordinates plainlinks">…</samp></indicator></syntaxhighlight> funktioniert in lokalen Wikis nicht. Probiere <syntaxhighlight lang="html" inline><noinclude><indicator name="ICBM"></noinclude><samp id="coordinates" class="coordinates plainlinks" style="float:right">…</samp><noinclude></indicator></noinclude></syntaxhighlight>, um eine Seitenstatusanzeige zu erhalten, die nur die Benutzerseite des zentralen Wikis ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global user pages|Meta-Wiki]] für die meisten Wikimedia-Projekte) beeinflusst.
{{tracked|T90475}}
* Inhaltsloser Wikitext wird auf den lokalen Wikis ignoriert. Das schließt Kategorien, Weiterleitungen und einige [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words|Magischen Wörter]] wie <code><nowiki>__NOINDEX__</nowiki></code> und <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:}}</nowiki></code> ein.
*Versuche, [[Special:MyLanguage/Interlanguage links|Interwikilinks]] wie z.B. <syntaxhighlight lang="html" inline><includeonly>[[en:User:Example]]</includeonly></syntaxhighlight> zu erstellen, werden in normalen [[:en:User:example|User:Example]] Links enden.


==Siehe auch ==

* [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global user pages|Globale Benutzerseiten]] im Meta-Wiki, zur Implementierung in Wikimedia-Projektwikis

[[Category:Extension help{{#translation:}}]]

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Deine Benutzerseite wird in dem zentralen Wiki erstellt und das Ergebnis auf anderen Projekten angezeigt. Vorlagen werden auf anderen Wikis so dargestellt wie auf dem zentralen Wiki. (Die globale Benutzerseite benutzt keine lokalen Vorlagen des Wikis, in dem sie angezeigt wird.)BK chaithat deemuean.Subsystem

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{{PD help}}
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== เป้าหมาย ==
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ซึ่งจะรวมถึงข้อมูลผู้ใช้พื้นฐาน พร้อมด้วยข้อมูลเมทา (Meta) อื่น ๆ ในรูปแบบที่กระชับพอสมควร
แนวคิดพื้นฐาน คือ การสร้าง "''คู่มือผู้ใช้''" แบบ ''ย่อ'' ไม่ใช่งานอ้างอิง ควรเน้นที่สิ่งที่ผู้ใช้ต้องการและไม่อธิบายฟังก์ชันอื่น ๆ


== สัญญาอนุญาต ==
ผลงานสร้างสรรค์ '''ตัวช่วยของพีดี (PD Help)''' ได้รับการเผยแพร่เป็น '''สาธารณสมบัติ''' ผ่านทาง [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ CC0 waiver]
นี่เป็นสิ่งจำเป็นเพื่อให้ผู้ใช้สามารถคัดลอกข้อความลงในการติดตั้งวิกิของตนเองได้อย่างง่ายดาย
''โปรดตรวจสอบให้แน่ใจว่าคุณเข้าใจสิ่งต่อไปนี้ก่อนที่จะมีส่วนร่วม'':

* ทุกหน้าในตัวช่วยของพีดี (PD Help) ต้องมีบรรทัด <code><nowiki>{{PD Help Page}}</nowiki></code> เพื่อระบุตัวสัญญาอนุญาต
* ไม่สามารถคัดลอกเนื้อหาจากที่อื่นไปยังหน้าเหล่านี้ได้ ข้อยกเว้นเพียงอย่างเดียวคือ:
# เนื้อหาที่คัดลอกเป็นเนื้อหาส่วนบุคคลของคุณ (เช่น ผู้แต่ง) หรือคุณได้รับอนุญาตเป็นลายลักษณ์อักษรจากผู้แต่งต้นฉบับ
# เนื้อหาที่มีอยู่แล้วใน "สาธารณสมบัติ" สามารถคัดลอกได้ที่นี่ อย่างไรก็ตาม '''ไม่''' รวมหน้าเว็บที่เผยแพร่ส่วนใหญ่!
* คุณกำลังสละสิทธิ์ทั้งหมดในข้อมูลที่คุณให้ไว้ที่นี่ แม้ว่าคุณจะยังคงมีผลงานสร้างสรรค์ของคุณอยู่ในรายการและระบุแหล่งที่มาในไซต์นี้ ผู้อื่นสามารถคัดลอกข้อความโดยไม่ต้องให้เครดิต และสามารถปรับเปลี่ยนได้ตามที่เห็นสมควร


== ผู้อ่านเป้าหมาย: ผู้ใช้ทั่วไป ==

หน้าช่วยเหลือมีเป้าหมายเป็นอย่างมากที่ผู้เยี่ยมชมเว็บไซต์วิกิปกติ


=== ''ไม่ใช่'' ผู้ดูแลระบบเซิร์ฟเวอร์ ===
เราไม่ได้มุ่งหมายที่จะทำซ้ำเอกสารมีเดียวิกิฉบับเต็ม
ข้อมูลที่กำหนดเป้าหมายไปที่ผู้ดูแลระบบเซิร์ฟเวอร์ รายละเอียดการติดตั้ง การกำหนดค่า หรือการบำรุงรักษามีเดียวิกิอยู่ใน [[Special:MyLanguage/Project:Manual|คู่มือ]]

ข้อยกเว้นเล็กน้อย "เท่านั้น" สำหรับเรื่องนี้ คือช่อง "คำแนะนำสำหรับผู้ดูแลระบบ" (อธิบายไว้ด้านล่าง)


=== ข้อมูลที่โดดเด่นน้อยกว่าสำหรับผู้ใช้สิทธิ ผู้ดูแลระบบ (sysop) / ผู้แลระบบสิทธิ์แต่งตั้ง (bureaucrat) ===
''หน้าช่วยเหลือ'' จะไม่สมบูรณ์หากไม่ได้อธิบายว่าผู้ใช้สิทธิ 'ผู้ดูแลระบบ (sysop)' ทำอะไรได้บ้าง
อย่างไรก็ตาม คุณลักษณะขั้นสูงเหล่านี้ไม่พร้อมใช้งานสำหรับผู้ชมเป้าหมายส่วนใหญ่ (ผู้ใช้วิกิส่วนใหญ่)
ดังนั้น ข้อมูลนี้จะต้องถูกแยกจากเนื้อหาส่วนใหญ่เล็กน้อย เพื่อไม่ให้ผู้ใช้ทั่วไปต้องเผชิญกับข้อมูลที่ไม่เกี่ยวข้องกับพวกเขา

ภายใน "หน้าช่วยเหลือ" ส่วนใหญ่ การกล่าวถึงการกระทำสั้นๆ ที่ต้องใช้สิทธิ์ของผู้แลระบบ (sysop) อาจถือว่าจำเป็น แต่คำอธิบายโดยละเอียดของขั้นตอนของผู้แลระบบ (sysop) ควรซ่อนอยู่ในหน้าที่เชื่อมโยงที่ไม่เด่นชัด หรือควรละเว้นจาก ''หน้าช่วยเหลือ'' ทั้งหมด

''ส่วนนี้ยังคง [[Project Talk:PD help|อยู่ระหว่างการอภิปราย]]''


== หลักเกณฑ์ด้านบรรณาธิการ ==
* สร้างลิงก์ระหว่างหน้าต่างๆ แต่หลีกเลี่ยงการลิงก์ไปยังเนมสเปซอื่นๆ บน MediaWiki.org เก็บลิงก์ไว้ภายในไปยังหน้าช่วยเหลือที่เป็นสาธารณสมบัติ หรือสร้างลิงก์ภายนอก (URL แบบเต็ม) ไปยังแหล่งข้อมูลที่เกี่ยวข้อง ''เช่น ใน meta.wikimedia.org'' เพื่อให้ง่ายต่อการคัดลอกข้อความลงในการติดตั้งวิกิใหม่ อย่าใช้ลิงก์ระหว่างวิกิ เนื่องจากลิงก์เหล่านี้อาจไม่มีอยู่ในวิกิเป้าหมาย
* เราอาจไม่ต้องการสลับใน <nowiki>{{SITENAME}}</nowiki> ไวยากรณ์ที่ใดก็ได้ มีเดียวิกิคือชื่อของซอฟต์แวร์ที่เรากำลังอธิบาย นี่คือ ''ซอฟต์แวร์การจัดการเนื้อหา'' (CMS) ที่ช่วยให้วิกิปลายทางทำงาน ดังนั้นทุกที่ที่ข้อความของเราอ้างถึงซอฟต์แวร์ (ทุกที่ตลอดความช่วยเหลือ) ก็ควรปล่อยให้เป็นสตริงตามตัวอักษร 'มีเดียวิกิ' หากข้อความช่วยเหลือกล่าวถึงชื่อเว็บไซต์ด้วยเหตุผลบางประการ อาจเป็นข้อยกเว้นที่เหมาะสม (ใช้ <nowiki>{{SITENAME}}</nowiki>) อย่างไรก็ตาม เราจะ ''ไม่'' แลกเปลี่ยนสิ่งนี้ในทุกที่ที่เราพูดถึงคำว่ามีเดียวิกิ
* การแปลควรทำ '''หลัง''' หน้าเวอร์ชันภาษาอังกฤษมีสถานะเสถียรแล้ว หลักการตั้งชื่อคือ <code>Pagetitle/''language-code''</code> (เช่น Help:Editing/pt)
* เว้นแต่ว่าคุณมีโซลูชันที่สมบูรณ์แบบสำหรับการนำทางในคู่มือนี้ โปรดอย่าสร้างเทมเพลตการนำทาง และเน้นการสร้าง '''เนื้อหา''' ก่อน
* ห้ามใช้ส่วนขยายเช่น [[Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Cite|Cite]] เนื่องจากไม่ได้ติดตั้งส่วนขยาย MediaWiki ทั้งหมด


=== การจัดรูปแบบ ===
* การจัดรูปแบบควรสอดคล้องกัน ใช้ <code>class="wikitable"</code> สำหรับตารางใด ๆ ที่คุณสร้าง ไฮไลต์เซลล์หรือแถวด้วย <code><nowiki>{{Hl1}}</nowiki></code> เป็นต้น
* มาร์กอัปและโค้ดวิกิทั้งหมดควรใส่ในแท็ก {{tag|code|open}} หรือ {{tag|pre|open}} ความช่วยเหลือสำหรับการแทรก: <code><nowiki>{{subst:nw|text}}</nowiki></code>
* การอ้างอิงถึงข้อความเมนูและคำอธิบายทั้งหมดควรปรากฏใน ''ตัวเอียง''


=== ภาพหน้าจอ ===
[[Special:MyLanguage/Help:Screenshots|ภาพหน้าจอ]] มีประโยชน์
''หน้าช่วยเหลือสาธารณสมบัติ'' ควรมีเฉพาะภาพหน้าจอที่เป็นสาธารณสมบัติ หลีกเลี่ยงการรวมโลโก้ใด ๆ ไว้ในภาพหน้าจอ และอัปโหลดไปยัง Commons ด้วยเทมเพลตลิขสิทธิ์ {{[[commons:Template:MediaWiki screenshot|MediaWiki screenshot]]}} (สำหรับ GPL) และ {{[[commons:Template:CC-zero|CC-zero]]}} (สำหรับงานของผู้ใช้)

รูปภาพจะจัดส่งพร้อมกับเอกสารประกอบหรือเข้าถึงได้จากคอมมอนส์ ด้วย {{ll|InstantCommons}}


== คำแนะนำสำหรับผู้ดูแลระบบ ==

หากผู้ดูแลระบบเซิร์ฟเวอร์สามารถกำหนดค่าบางอย่างใน "วิธีใช้" ได้ คุณอาจแทรก "คำแนะนำสำหรับผู้ดูแลระบบ" ด้วย <code>{{tl|Admin tip|tip=text}}</code>


== หมวดหมู่ ==
ทุกหน้าในเนมสเปซ "Help:" เป็นส่วนหนึ่งของโครงการเอกสารวิธีใช้ที่เป็นสาธารณสมบัติตามคำจำกัดความ และควรจัดหมวดหมู่เป็น {{ll|Category:Help}}
''หน้าช่วยเหลือ'' สำหรับส่วนขยายมีเดียวิกิ ควรจัดอยู่ในหมวดหมู่ย่อย {{ll|Category:Extension help}}

หมวดหมู่เดิมของหน้าในเนมสเปซ "Help:" ซึ่งเป็นโครงการเอกสารวิธีใช้สาธารณสมบัติคือ '''Category:PD help'''
เพื่อให้สอดคล้องกับความเรียบง่าย หมวดหมู่จึงเป็นเพียง {{ll|Category:Help}} และทุกหน้าได้รับการอัปเดตแล้ว


== ดูเพิ่ม ==
* {{ll|Project:Language policy}} — หากคุณสนใจที่จะทำงานกับหน้าความช่วยเหลือในเวอร์ชัน '' 'ไม่ใช่ภาษาอังกฤษ''
* {{ll|Project:PD help/export}} — กล่าวถึงวิธีการที่เสนอในการสร้างดัมพ์ที่ใช้งานได้ของวิธีใช้: เนมสเปซ ยังอยู่ในขั้นตอนการสนทนาและยังไม่สามารถใช้งานได้
* {{ll|Project:PD help/mirroring}} — กล่าวถึงวิธีการอื่นในการรับเนื้อหาจาก MediaWiki.org ซึ่งสามารถใช้ได้ในระหว่างนี้

[[Category:Policy{{#translation:}}|PD help]]
[[Category:MediaWiki.org WikiProjects{{#translation:}}]]

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<translate> There are several versions of MediaWiki available for [[<tvar name=download>Special:MyLanguage/download</tvar>|download]] at any given time.</translate>
<translate> Extensions also can have various release statuses.</translate>

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==Core== 

===Development version=== 
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<translate> The development version is available by [[<tvar name=download>Special:MyLanguage/Download from Git</tvar>|downloading from Git]].</translate>
<translate> It is generally quite stable, and there are some wikis that run from the trunk.</translate>

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===Beta version=== 
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<translate> The beta version has been reviewed and is thought to be good.</translate>
<translate> It is more stable than the development version.</translate>
<translate> However, you are encouraged to {{<tvar name=1>ll|How to report a bug</tvar>|report any bugs}} you encounter to <tvar name=bugzilla>{{ll|Phabricator}}</tvar>, so that they can be fixed for the officially stable version.</translate>

<translate>
===Stable version=== 
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<translate> The stable version is even more stable than the beta.</translate>
<translate> It will receive maintenance and security fixes until it becomes a legacy version.</translate>

<translate>
===Legacy version===
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<translate> The legacy version is even more stable than the beta.</translate>
<translate> It is like a stable version but will only receive security fixes during the period of one year after its release.</translate>
<translate> Some legacy versions are designated as long-term supported (LTS).</translate>

<translate>
===Older versions=== 


Older versions are no longer supported and will not receive security fixes; see <tvar name=lifecycle>{{ll|Version lifecycle}}</tvar>.

==Extensions== 
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<translate> Extensions can be classified as unstable, experimental, beta, stable, or unknown; see [[<tvar name=1>Special:MyLanguage/Template:Extension#Content_parameters</tvar>|here]] for more details.</translate>
<translate> See also [[<tvar name=1>Special:MyLanguage/Compatibility#MediaWiki extensions</tvar>|Compatibility#MediaWiki extensions]].</translate>

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==See also== 
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*{{ll|Manual:$wgVersion}}
*{{ll|Category:Extensions by status}}
*{{ll|Roadmap}}
*{{ll|Version lifecycle}}

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182.232.104.146: You can comment in any language. We are especially interested in: Feedback on the functionalities we have already deployed, Ideas and mockups for future functionalities - How could they be further improved? What important considerations are not currently documented? Identifying other focus areas we have not yet discovered, Expanding the list of existing gadgets and user scripts that are related to providing a better desktop experience. Thank you! (Translate this page)

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== Where is the TOC? ==
People here are complaining about it. I don't even get one! [[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]] ([[User talk:Betaneptune|talk]]) 17:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]]. Do you still have this problem? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi ! I have the same problem on the French version of Wikipedia. The TOC just disappeared. The problem appears in Firefox desktop (last version 101.0.1), even in "troubleshoot" mode with all my add-ons deactivated. However, the problem does not appear in Chrome. This is extremely confusing. I reported it on some discussion page on the french version of WP, but I also mention it here, as I'm not sure at all where to report the problem for it to be taken into account. [[Special:Contributions/85.169.195.108|85.169.195.108]] 17:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
: The TOC is now on the left side, but after other menu lists. It should probably come first. But to keep things accessible, the (hidden) "jump to main menu" link should be kept as first element of course. [[User:Psychoslave|Psychoslave]] ([[User talk:Psychoslave|talk]]) 15:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
::Agreed. The TOC ''really'' should come first. The {{mono|#mw-navigation}} menu (which currently appears first) is comprised of mostly ancillary links unrelated to the page's content, many of which are rarely used (e.g., ''"Download as PDF"'', ''"Create a book"'', ''"Permanent link"'', etc). [[User:OmenBreeze|OmenBreeze]] ([[User talk:OmenBreeze|talk]]) 00:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Too narrow (again) ==

Why waste all that space? I have a nice wide screen so I want to take advantage of it. Those who want to have it narrow can just reduce their window sizes? Overall, not a great look. Not exciting. Quite boring.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] ([[User talk:Xania|talk]]) 11:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Xania|Xania]], you can read about our [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Limiting_content_width#Goals_and_motivation|goals and motivation]] for limiting the width. Also, we are working on a solution to use the empty space. Could you take a look at [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing/it|our fourth prototype]] and write more on what you think about arranging the space as it is presented there? Thank you in advance! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 14:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Oh my dear God, why don't you give an option to unrestrict the width?? It's beyond ridiculous how absolutely tiny is the page content on my monitor horizontally! I have to scroll all the time to read! Don't ruin Wikipedia the same way Fandom was ruined! [[Special:Contributions/90.188.46.13|90.188.46.13]] 04:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::We have given this option. This can be done with the [[:en:User:Jdlrobson/vector-max-width-toggle.js|gadget one of our engineers made]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 03:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks, but maybe we should have an easy plug-in system for ordinary users or, at least, the instructions how to apply it and a place where to find those customisations. By default it is really narrow to read and it feels like a news site rather than an encyclopedia article. [[User:Krnl0138|Krnl0138]] ([[User talk:Krnl0138|talk]]) 09:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::I agree, the toggle option should be there by default! By the way, that script does not work well currently, so I [[:en:User:Arthurfragoso/vector-max-width-toggle.js|updated it here]]. — [[User:Arthurfragoso|Arthurfragoso]] ([[User talk:Arthurfragoso|talk]]) 13:28, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::I don't understand why you are still pushing on us that bad design choice. It still is time to pull the plug and start to work on a plain page design. You are convincing no one here. Please, please, really, please stop this nonsense. Forcing bad choices on your users because you are the only product on the market is never a good thing.
::Since it has been forced without asking anyone on the French Wikipedia I had to register just to come back to the normal and good design. That's something, as a simple reader, I should never have had to do in the first place.
::So one last time, please come back to reason and stop hurting your user base foolishly. [[User:DerpFox|DerpFox]] ([[User talk:DerpFox|talk]]) 21:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Hello @[[User:DerpFox|DerpFox]], thanks for your comment. Have you maybe followed the links I've shared in my answer to Xania? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 03:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::The lines in the fourth prototype seem to be slightly wider to me on 1080p display than in the current version of 2022 vector design, but those empty strips on the sides, each of which are almost the size of the old navigation mv-panel, constantly remind about the space wasted.
::If the only reason of this thinning is the recommended line lengths in symbols and you want to keep it for any price, I would suggest using a dynamic font size, so, for example, starting from some resolution the symbols just grow larger. This might also reduce the eye strain connected to focusing on the small text.
::[[User:Kageneko|Kageneko]] ([[User talk:Kageneko|talk]]) 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
::I had a browse over the reasons for the change, but I still don't like or agree with the main justification more or less boiling down to "everyone else is doing it so we should too". Even in the linked examples, the page still feels a lot more "full" despite having a dedicated deadspace on the site, due to the way the page has been very carefully designed in a mixture of different kinds of block contents (images, text interactive eliments, etc).
::Accepted Webpage standards used to be against having blank, unused and waisted deadspace, but at some point in the last 10 years there seems to have been a weird shift to the opposite where deadspace is all the rage, though it's not one I've personally ever liked or agreed with.
::While I'm sure there are good uses of limiting page width, I'm not sure if Wikipedia, being a site that is mainly made up of text would really benefit from it as it's likely just going to squash pages and increase the amount of vertical scrolling required to navigate. [[User:Dave247|Dave247]] ([[User talk:Dave247|talk]]) 07:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah it's too narrow otherwise. the look is very nice, it's not boring as you tell. [[User:Crater bug|Crater bug]] ([[User talk:Crater bug|talk]]) 15:28, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
:I totally agree! I dislike the vector skin because how small it is. [[User:OverAWallOfMetaKnight|OverAWallOfMetaKnight]] ([[User talk:OverAWallOfMetaKnight|talk]]) 15:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:Agreed. I use a 3440x1440 screen (usually with a tiled layout), and this new layout forces all the content to occupy a comically narrow strip, instead of allowing me to choose the width myself. [[User:Emptyflask|Emptyflask]] ([[User talk:Emptyflask|talk]]) 13:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
:I agree, there is simply too much space wasted that could be used for more article space and a button specifically for those who want to edit wikipedia [[User:Techny3000|Techny3000]] ([[User talk:Techny3000|talk]]) 02:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
:hard to read I'm glad I stayed the same as before No changes required [[Special:Contributions/240B:11:E7E0:5E00:6005:3399:E6C:2B48|240B:11:E7E0:5E00:6005:3399:E6C:2B48]] 14:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

After reviewing the posted defense of the narrowing and the feedback listed here, this feature belongs entirely as an optional setting. It most certainly should not be the website's default. [[User:RightQuark|RightQuark]] ([[User talk:RightQuark|talk]]) 01:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:The defence of the narrowing seems to have little real-world bonuses. It may be theoretically good but makes it bad to read because Wikipedia articles can be long [[User:Torqueing|Torqueing]] ([[User talk:Torqueing|talk]]) 17:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm fine with the text being narrow but the ui and nav bar should be full width. --[[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]] ([[User talk:Thedonquixotic|talk]]) 00:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]], what do you mean by the ui and nav bar? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
::Not sure what is unclear here. I mean the navbar. As in the bar up at the top of the page with use account, search etc. [[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]] ([[User talk:Thedonquixotic|talk]]) 19:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I also have a wide screen monitor. I do not like this forced width shrinkage in the Vector 2022 skin. [[User:OhanaUnited|OhanaUnited]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|Talk page]] 17:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

In current form without a toggle for width this layout is unacceptable on large monitors. Even my old 14'' monitor. For now I am reverting to avoid having in forced horizontal white-space. [[User:Phatom87|phatom87]] ([[User talk:Phatom87|talk]]) 14:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

:Absolutely unacceptable, too narrow, an unjustified waste of space. [[User:Loupeter|Loupeter]] ([[User talk:Loupeter|talk]]) 10:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:It sounds like the fixed-max-width (assuming one's window is wide enough, and regardless of how much wider it might be) is a compromise between the needs of two different types of reading activities. I have both habits (skim vs detail-read), and felt especially the concern that the text doesn't obey what *I* do with my window. A reason I might widen my window is exactly because I want wider content. A comprimse necessarily isn't ideal for either one side. A better solution is to make it easy and discoverable how to get the *best* feel for whatever one is trying to do, rather than forcing so many to have a sub-par experience. A third-party gadget isn't discoverable and is surely more fragile than a first-class toggle feature of the skin itself. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 15:16, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keyboard shortcut does not focus search field in sticky header ==
{{tracked|T307024}}
When pressing the keyboard shortcut for search (alt + shift + f) the search field at the top of the page is focused, even if the sticky header is showing. It would be better if the search field in the sticky header was focused. As it is now the page will scroll to the top which is unnecessary. [[User:Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)|Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)]] ([[User talk:Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)|talk]]) 16:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

== Page-title and Search ==

In a nutshell, I believe
* the Search would benefit from being (a) more consistently placed, and (b) more accessible from the sticky header by having a larger click-target.
** See image at [[:File:Vector-sticky-header-version1-search-size.png]] (and more [[#Search_box_size_and_location|details above]])
* the Page-title is already visible in multiple locations, and ''might'' not need this additional instance? AFAIK only users with "Fullscreen - F11" enabled would hide the existing locations where it is already displayed, whilst scrolled.
** See image at [[:File:Page_title_repetition_and_cutoff.png]]
Hope that helps! –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 20:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback regarding the new language switcher ==

Hello, I am a French person using Wikipedia in both French and English. I usually decide the language of the article depending on the topic. If it's related to France, I know the French version is going to be better. If it's a general topic, I usually select English.

However, it's been a few months that the language picker has been moved to the top of the screen when an article is display in French. And I really can't get used to it. Sure, it's easy to discover - but it's more complicated to use. Having to click twice is a regression for anyone switching language frequently. An action that used to require half a second now takes 2 seconds. If you do this about ten times every time you browse Wikipedia, it does become irritating...

I hope this feature is not shipped to other languages, and France gets the sidebar back. If you want to make this feature more discoverable, maybe you could add a shortcut but keep the sidebar. Or display a tooltip once in a while to educate newcomers. But please, keep "heavy users" of language switching in consideration. Thanks {{unsigned|77.148.113.166|19:54, 25 January 2022}}
: I'd state this as 'what used to take me a second (finding the right language) now takes 10': Open language switcher, often don't see the language I want, have to search? want to see which languages have a version, have to scroll; don't have a quick way to default present all languages by-alpha. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 16:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
: I have to agree with this as another French person frequently switching languages on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. I should add, in addition to the intrinsic usability of the interface (I do agree it's a slight regression for my usage), the fact that most language editions still use the old interface (and most other sites using mediawiki, and the latter is likely to remain the case for a long time) means you don't actually get the opportunity to unlearn it. So every time I want to switch languages from a French page, I will first scroll down to the old location and waste 1s parsing the sidebar and wondering where the links are. I check out other languages almost every time I read any article and those milliseconds of irritation do add up. Anyway, I strongly think that “don't fix what ain't broke” should apply here! [[Special:Contributions/37.183.2.114|37.183.2.114]] 12:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

: +1 to [[User:Sj|Sj]]. --[[User:ThurnerRupert|ThurnerRupert]] ([[User talk:ThurnerRupert|talk]]) 18:58, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Often I use the language switcher not to navigate to the article on different language, but just to look up how that article is titled in a different language. In other words, using Wikipedia's inter-language links as a sort of dictionary. By hovering over the list of languages I can gather multiple titles, see their similarity between languages. With the New Look, language switcher became less accessible, though gathering titles by hovering still works there.
Also this new dropdown-based language switcher seems either to require tricky CSS features or JavaScript. Will it make problems for simplistic browsers like w3m? [[User:Vi2|_Vi]] ([[User talk:Vi2|talk]]) 17:48, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I find the language switcher the worst of both worlds of the two variants in the old interface. It can be annoying to scroll through 200+ languages in an idiosyncratic ordering (for example, كوردی [Kurdi in Perso-Arabic script] is filed under S for Sorani), but at least I can see them all and preview the name of the article in various target languages. With the drop-down menu in the old interface, I get the languages grouped geographically, and I can also search for a specific language, with the system recognizing many name variations. The new interface gives me a drop down menu with all 200+ languages in the same idiosyncratic order, with no geographic grouping and no ability to search for a specific language. [[User:LincMad|LincMad]] ([[User talk:LincMad|talk]]) 22:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I am primarily an active user on the Japanese Wikipedia (now defaulted to vector2022) and I agree with you completely.
Why doesn't this use the blank spaces on the left and right? No need to hide buttons and functions everywhere just to make the page look hollow. As for the other features, there are so many problems with the new Vector. I definitely want the old version to remain. I will continue to use it and not the new one. --[[User:Sugarman|Sugarman]] ([[User talk:Sugarman|talk]]) 07:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on ToC functionality ==

Hello,

I’m not sure how far you are in the development of the new table of content functionality, but I was looking at [https://en-toc.wmcloud.org/wiki/Moon this prototype] and noticed a potential problem. Here the ToC is on the side and that’s a good thing, but the ToC in the text have also been deleted and that’s not much a good thing. When there is a big infobox, the in-text ToC compensate partly or totally for it, hence the page arrangement take it into consideration for the position of the images. Now if you delete it, all the text will go up, along with the images, but the images can’t always follow, because the infobox, so the right-aligned images are going to pile under it, while the left-aligned will reduce the text to a very small column between them and the infobox. On fr:wp, infoboxes are very widely used, so deleting the in-text ToC is going to break the page layout of most articles (and rather probably upset the community). So I’d suggest that, whatever you do with the ToC, to not delete the in-text ToC until there is also a functionality to move the infobox outside the text too (that would be great by the way, as infoboxes always cause difficulties with page layout). --[[User:Runi Gerardsen|Runi Gerardsen]] ([[User talk:Runi Gerardsen|talk]]) 09:30, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:I would like to add myself as having this same concern about images. At present, image placement in many articles was determined by this factor of the TOC being inline, sometimes offsetting the issues of long infoboxes and allowing the first image in the first section to be right-justified (like anyone with any experience in professional publishing, I ''really'' hate left-justified lead images as they break up the flow of the text by interposing themselves between heds and text. Similarly, I try to maintain alternation in the justification of images since that mirrors the sweep of our vision and makes text with images easier to read (but of course you don't do this when it creates other layout issues).''When'' this is deployed, a lot of articles are going to suddenly have image placement issues at the top that didn't previously. And this will probably make a lot of people ''very angry''.I can see the need for the sticky TOC but I think it would still be better as something that could be toggled there from its current position while reading depending on how the user prefers it in an individual article. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 05:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
::What if we kept both the inline/in-text ToC ''and'' the sticky/sidebar ToC, but only display the latter when the user's scrolled past the former? A user preference could be added that forces the latter to always (or never) be displayed. I agree that the situation with images is a <abbr title="Pain In The Frigging Arse">PITFA</abbr>, but I really don't want to give up the sticky ToC either… [[User:OmenBreeze|OmenBreeze]] ([[User talk:OmenBreeze|talk]]) 00:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but until I manually switched back to "Vector legacy (2010)", then again to "Vector (2022)", ToC section was absent completely (neither new-style nor old-style). Also maybe, like with the language switcher, there should be [temporary] notice about ToC having moved to the left where it was previously? [[User:Vi2|_Vi]] ([[User talk:Vi2|talk]]) 17:57, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on new language switcher in French ==
As a translator, I litteraly jump from one language to another every hour of every day. It is simply unbearable to now have to go to a sub-menu to switch from French to English or Italian. That added click translates (pun intended) into lost time and nerves on a daily basis.

I'm not hostile to a more smartphone-friendly interface, and maybe that kind of switcher is perfect on a little screen. But it's not okay to make the overall experience so much unsteady (especially with the links being there for some languages and moved away for other ones) when

# switching seamlessly from one language to another is precisely the one advantage Wikipedia has over any other encyclopedia and
# my 32" monitor has plenty of space to display these links in the left column.

Last year I had selected the old Vector theme for this very reason and this morning, I was force-switched into the new Vector 2022 theme. So for the second time I'm back on the classic Vector theme and really, really hope it will stick.
[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]] ([[User talk:Herisson26|talk]]) 22:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]]. Thank you for asking here.
:* We've been planning to provide [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features#Language_switching_2:_One-click_access_to_preferred_languages|one-click access to preferred languages]] but it's dependent on the work of another team ([[Wikimedia Language engineering|Language]]). We can't promise anything in terms of the timeline yet.
:* What do you mean by "with the links being there for some languages and moved away for other ones"? You saw the new Vector on some wikis, and the old Vector on some other wikis, didn't you? I think that's related to the next issue.
:* Why you had to switch back again - [https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Caf%C3%A9_dos_programadores&diff=prev&oldid=62956756&diffmode=source here's my explanation]. We're sorry, this was an extremely rare oversight.
:* It's interesting that you write this interface is smartphone-friendly. Many volunteers note this. Out of curiosity, what makes you think that? Is this just about the responsiveness, or something more?
:[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 00:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]],
::* For a translator, direct access to "preferred" languages is not enough. I need the complete list of languages, as it exists on old Vector. My preferred languages would be French, English, Spanish and Italian, but I will regularly read directly a page in Japanese, Portuguese or any other if it's the one that will get me the information I'm looking for (which is quite often the case when dealing with foreign people). So limiting direct access to a select few languages will still break Wikipedia for me.
::* Yes, lots of wikis use old Vector while the French one uses the new ones. It completely breaks the user interface. It is of utmost importance to me that all Wikipedia pages have the same layout, whatever the language. I understand the need to test things, but when you make a public switch that impacts the ergonomics of the site, it should be made across all languages. Maybe make the change per-user instead of per-language if you don't want to switch everyone at once.
::* Nothing to do with responsiveness. Smartphones don't have the physical space to display the language list and the article content at the same time, so having a button on the top of the page to show/hide the language panel makes sense. It does NOT on computers, which have plenty of free space for the left column and the traditional language list.
::[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]] ([[User talk:Herisson26|talk]]) 08:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Very bad indeed. The French version of Wikipedia, which has put all interwiki language links in a dropdown menu, is most annoying. It is a big waste of time, and not user-friendly at all. To switch to the article in another language, instead of having the whole choice displayed at once and just having to click, one now has to go back up to the right-hand corner of the article, click on the dropdown menu, scroll down the list until the desired language apears, click again... This change is not an improvement. It tends to isolate each linguistic version of Wikipedia, by rendering the language switching much harder. If ever it is useful for smartphones, please change the layout for mobiles only ("m" version of Wikipedia), but not for the desktop version. This cumbersome change should NOT be extended to other Wikipedias, and the French version should revert as soon as possible to a user-friendly layout, such as that of the English language Wikipedia. [[User:Baronnet|Baronnet]] ([[User talk:Baronnet|talk]]) 15:49, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] very cool that you bring one click different language!! would you please include the language team in this discussion here, and provide a link so people can view the progress? --[[User:ThurnerRupert|ThurnerRupert]] ([[User talk:ThurnerRupert|talk]]) 18:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== TOC Feedback ==

I noticed that the newest designs for the table of contents do not allow for it to be collapsed. I think the ability for the TOC to be collapsed is very important, specifically for users that have a touchscreen laptop. I and a friend of mine often use our left hand and our touchscreen to scroll articles because on our laptops it is often easier to scroll quicker than to use the touchpad. If the TOC remained expanded we might accidentally tap a link. A button to collapse it and a preference to expand or collapse it by default would be nice. [[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 20:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]]. Indeed, the first version of the TOC was not possible to be collapsed. This was because the results of user testings (both in-person and on-wiki) didn't indicate that the functionality was important. Now, given the feedback we've collected, we've decided to consider options how to make the TOC collapsible. In this context, what do you think about our [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear newest prototype]? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 13:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] Thank you for responding!

:::Hi, @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], I came to this page to ask whether the ToC can be moved from the sidebar, and really like the prototype. However it seems to be malfunctioning in Safari 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13): https://imgur.com/a/O0Jhti1
:::Thanks. [[User:HughLilly| —Hugh]] ([[User talk:HughLilly|talk]]) 05:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

::My feedback:
::* I really dislike the usage of the bracket type of buttons for <code>[hide]</code> and think a OOUI button or a smaller alernative should be used instead.
::* I like that all of the headers in the TOC are collapsed by-default, however, I think they when you're scrolling inside of a section, they need to expand and collpase as you go through one section to another. I've seen this functionality on other platforms and it allows the reader to understand the outline better when they're viewing the article.
::* The hiding action of the TOC has an inconsistent navigational pattern. UIs should always require the same amount of actions to disable something as to enable something. That always feels the most natural. Hiding the TOC for its default position requires one button press, but to return it back to its previous state requires two. Also, its location next to the title and then how it switches to the upper left to become sticky is really weird too. I don't like either of those locations. I was thinking it could look something like this collapsed and you could press the icon on the right to both collapse and expand it:
::[[File:MediaWiki table of contents collapsed idea.png|frameless]]
::[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 00:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, i just cant find the table of contents, i need it for easier navigation. please, help

== Sticky header in the namespace Project ==

([[:fr:Discussion_utilisateur:Patafisik_(WMF)#En-tête_figé_et_accès_aux_langues|original discussion in French]])

Hi,

a user suggests to add the sticky header in the namespace Project too, not only in [[Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements#Talk_page_and_page_history|Talk pages or History pages]] (see for exemple [[phab:T289641#7365946]] and [[phab:T299115]]). Best regards, [[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 09:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

== Left margin menu pushes down content ==
I normally use Monobook, but happened to get into the new Vector. Odd experience. The search box was absent and I had to scroll down for the content. I now see that you are supposed to click the magnifying glass to get the search box. OK. But the scrolling?

It seems the new Vector tries to guarantee wide enough space for the content. Perhaps that's what people surfing with maximised windows expect, but if you have a narrower window, is that really optimal? To get the left margin menu to the left of the content, I need a window some 1000 px wide. This "minimum" width gives me lines of about 100 characters, while I've heard reading is easiest at 47–72 or something like that. I like to have several windows open in parallel, and a narrower windows makes them fit better.

Anyway, if one's browser window is narrow, for whatever reason, does the empty space to the right of the margin menu really give the best possible experience? Is the 100 char width something that needs to be guaranteed for those planning layout of individual articles? (This experience is with Firefox 91.7.0esr on Debian.)

–[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 20:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

== Questions I shouldn't need to ask ==

I can tell WMF developers put a lot of work into this, but I'm sorry, this isn't cutting it. This latest prototype is Vector in name only. It's a completely different look and a completely different experience.
* Why do I have to click twice to get to my talk/contribs/preferences?
* Don't you think you could have fit those important links if you didn't go overboard on the whitespace or if the search bar wasn't so enormous?
* Is the language switcher really so important that it belongs in the sticky menu?
* I had to think for a few seconds about what the hamburger/star icon was (it's the Watchlist). Why are the icons necessary? I'll answer this one — too much whitespace at the top.
* Why is the new interface such a step down for the editors who will have to use it every day?
* ''And why are you still trying to put a hamburger menu on a desktop site?''

It's not all bad — I do think the max width improves readability. But that was already present on previous less-bad prototypes.

We were promised "improvements" to Vector, and what we're getting is an entirely new (and entirely inferior) skin. If this is really going to still be called Vector, that is highly misleading. The early comments that "total replacement is not an option" don't make a lot of sense now that Wikipedia appears to be getting exactly the top-down redesign I had feared this project would produce. Pigs will fly before this gets deployed to English Wikipedia ''without'' the community getting their pitchforks. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 04:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

: I went into Preferences to turn off the changes and I saw that the software is now treating "vector-2022" as a new skin. This is better than what I thought was going on but maybe there should be a more original name>
: Also, wouldn't it be a much better use of developer time to, say, work on the many unresolved Community Wishlist items? —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 17:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Pythoncoder|Pythoncoder]], thanks for these comments. I'd just like you to know that I'm working on an answer for you and I'll paste it soon. You've asked many important and basic questions (like the one about the Community Wishlist Survey), and I'm truly happy that you've done that. It's much better to clarify the basics. You don't know whether these are clear as long as no one questions it. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 00:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::: {{ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} I should have made it more clear above, but most of my comments are regarding the Fourth Prototype. And now that I read through my earlier comments it makes sense to make the sidebar collapsible in case readers don't want distractions. I believe the sidebar is shown by default so please disregard my complaints in that area. This is why I shouldn't edit when I'm sleep-deprived. I do still think the new skin needs a new name though. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::: Also re: wishlist, I suspect the two projects are probably worked on by completely different dev teams. Again, I'm sorry for the passive-aggressiveness above. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Hello @[[User:Pythoncoder|Pythoncoder]], no worries, I'm really glad you've figured some issues out yourself! Would it be possible for you to state what remains unclear? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::I think it mostly boils down to the amount of whitespace at the top and the hiding of important links such as talk, contribs, and login under a dropdown. I think this should be fixed. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

== Sticky header doesn't show the name or the logo of the project: the risk of loss of identity for Wikimedia sister projects ==
([[wikt:fr:Wiktionnaire:Wikidémie/mars_2022#Interface_bureau_%3A_venez_tester_le_quatrième_prototype|From French Wiktionary]])

{{Tracked|T293395}}

"I'm still observing the same problem when using this new skin: if you scroll down the page, it's impossible to know on which Wikimedia project you're on. The sticky header doesn't include the name of the site you are on, which is penalizing users for sharing screenshots, but also for identifying the editorial lines/ editorial policies of the different projects. Sister projects have important specificities. On the French Wiktionary, we already have people complaining that they can't find the content they expect to see on Wikipedia, and we have to tell them that it doesn't belong on the Wiktionary. I'm afraid that the phenomenon will only get worse."-Translated by --[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 13:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

(original message: ''"J’observe toujours le même problème, que je constate au quotidien en utilisant ce nouvel habillage : on ne sait pas sur quel projet on est dès que l’on défile un peu. L’en-tête fixe n’intègre pas le nom du site sur lequel on se trouve, ce qui est pénalisant pour le partage de capture d’écran, mais aussi pour l’identification des lignes éditoriales des différents projets qui ont des spécificités importantes. On a déjà actuellement des gens qui se plaignent de ne pas trouver tel contenu qu’ils s’attendent à voir sur Wikipédia, et à qui on doit répondre que ça n’a pas sa place sur le Wiktionnaire. Je crains que le phénomène ne fasse qu’empirer. [[user:Noé|Noé]] 29 mars 2022 à 12:37 (UTC)"'')

== The "sticky table of contents" is the worst among all the bad changes ==

I am sorry, but this sticky table of contents is such an eyesore, its sole addition might make me quit reading Wikipedia altogether. I'm not exaggerating, a similar update to Liquipedia made me want to avoid that project. It's more than an annoying waste of screen space - it also makes the different parts of the table of contents bold depending on where in the article my screen is, and thus it triggers my OCD, and it simply irritates me. I hate these moving parts in forced mobile designs.

> "The results of our 3rd prototype testing showed an overwhelming support for the proposed table of contents."

Have they? I don't see any discussion here.

> "The new table of contents will be persistent - users will have access to it at all times. It will also make it easier to understand the context of the page."

Are the TikTok memes reality? Excuse me, but I don't randomly forget what page or section I'm reading, thus I don't need a sticky title on my screen at all times.

> "In addition to that, it will be possible to navigate to different parts of the page without having to scroll all the way back to the top."

How is that "need" in any way difficult? It's one button on the keyboard - called ''Home''. Or you hold the slider on the right and jerk it up in a millisecond. But I suspect I know where "scrolling" is an issue - on mobile phones. This entire update in an exercise in transitioning a fine desktop UI from the 2000s which I had an honour to fall in love with in the 2010s to the non-constructive, downgraded, annoying and irritating experience of mobile phones.

Thankfully, not all projects choose to go this way. For an example of a new encyclopaedia with a traditional design, see the immensely popular Korean Namu Wiki. [[User:Adûnâi|Adûnâi]] ([[User talk:Adûnâi|talk]]) 12:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

:100% agree. [[User:Football Lab|Football Lab]] ([[User talk:Football Lab|talk]]) 09:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== some feeback on the layout ==

I really like the preview, it is much cleaner, a few thoughts from viewing this on desktop (I saw the Blue whale article and the Potato article):

# The 'in other projects' section is really nice, however I wonder what would be a sensible heirachy for this. Should it be contextual based on the topic or something else? Currently its suggesting me WikiNews which isn't relevant or a particularly well maintained Wikimedia Project. Also the other projects is more about navigating to other information on that topic, rather than being a tool, I wonder if it should be under the TOC instead? Its more about navigating information on the topic rather than using a tool.
# I'm not sure if this is intended, the images sit on top of the sections instead of being displayed along the side the text, especially for portrait format images this creates a lot of empty space.
# When logged out having the TOC on the left is really nice, works really well. But when I'm logged in the TOC is hidden under half of the tools but then the other half is on the right hand side is quite confusing. I realise this is a really difficult thing to organise, maybe it could live under the TOC? There isn't a clear deliniation between reading and contributing which is confusing.
# The taxonomy templates at the bottom are pretty broken and make long lists, also lists within the Potato article lose their formatting meaning on the page for potato the list of synonyms is one column wide making a very long section which isn't going to useful for a general reader right in the middle of the article. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 18:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

== I hate the new TOC ==

I was directed here from [[phab:T273473]]. That left-of-the-article TOC is a horrible nightmare. I absolutely hate it. I would seriously avoid any website that forced it upon me. Can't scroll it out of sight, can't collapse it, can't disable it, takes up too much space, I hate it I hate it I hate it. This was the reason I switched back to Vector classic on beta cluster. (and if Vector classic gets it too I'll switch to Monobook, Timeless or just murder it with a userscript) I'm not much of a fan of Vector 2022 (but it's not a lost cause, just needs work), but this TOC pushed me over the edge. As a personal note: I rarely use the existing TOC. But I can scroll it out of sight so it doesn't bother me. If the TOC went completely missing tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it. Having this big, (to me) useless thing that contrasts with the main content (it's much darker) permanently in my field of vision greatly annoys me. And because of the fixed position, my banner blindness fails to kick in. This results in pure hatred for something that, on the face it, could seem innocuous. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 16:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:I was not "directed" anywhere, I blundered onto here after finally finding information about this new skin. And let me be clear, APART from the ridiculous handling of the TOC, the new skin is great, precisely BECAUSE, before the TOC-debacle, this skin allowed me to get more of the article on the screen, and allowed me to hide the standard list of menu choices that I only need 0.something % of the time.

:So, please, Please, PLEASE make that TOC hideable! It's perhaps (!) a great default for newbies, but it's a bloody nuisance for us who usually never use the TOC, and if we do, we know where to find it! [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 21:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
::I totally agree. [[Special:Contributions/185.53.157.151|185.53.157.151]] 08:13, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], right, it's not that easy to get here. We'll put link to the project page on the list of available skins in preferences. The task is documented as [[phab:T307113|T307113]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:Hey @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] - thanks for talking to us. It’s good to hear you were using Vector 2022. I hope that you will switch back to it. In terms of the table of contents, you raise good points. A lot has been happening since you wrote your comment, so my answer is longer than it would have been last week.
:* The first version of the design was based on the feedback we got on our previous prototypes from readers and editors (see [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Repository/Sticky Header and Table of Contents User Testing#toc-intro|in-person reader & editor testing]] and [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Third prototype testing|on-wiki community testing]]).
:* That said, we have not yet made the design final. We are working on different ideas for the visual design of the entire site. We'll make the main content of the page be the primary focus of attention, even when other navigational elements (such as the ToC) are present. If you’re interested in following along with that work, most of it will be tracked on [[phab:T301780|T301780]] and in subtasks of that ticket.
:* We are also considering the way the ToC will display at smaller resolutions ([[phab:T306904|T306904]], [[phab:T306660|T306660]]) and looking into some options for collapsing it that could work for wider screens as well.
:* As you can see, people like you who have chosen Vector 2022 individually share a lot of feedback with us now. [[phab:T307004|T307004]], [[phab:T306562|T306562]] are some examples on things we are or will be working on.
:* In the meantime, we will be A/B testing the ToC on the pilot wikis. Our hypothesis is that the ToC will decrease the amount that people have to scroll to the top of the page to switch to a different section. The design might also vary once we have the results of the test.
:* Since these changes might take a little while to reach the beta cluster, we would also encourage technically-skilled folks to set up a script or gadget to make a temporary solution.
:And... yeah, [[Newsletter:Desktop Improvements updates|subscribe to our newsletter]], join our office hours ([[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Updates/Talk to Web|tomorrow]] or [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Participate|later]]) and talk to us more. Thank you! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]], here's another thought: [[wikt:reverse]]. It's not a long page, but that TOC is so bloody huge a full HD display isn't enough to read ''any'' of the actual page content without scrolling. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 01:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Right, right. Let's just take a look at [[:pl:Gramatyka języka fińskiego]]. I mean, this is an edge case, and as such, it's not that critical. From what I know, all TOC sections aren't uncollapsed by default, and you need to make an effort to see the full TOC. Is this your experience, too, @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]]? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::::[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]], sorry for being possibly unclear. It was just a thought about the classic inline TOC which is disproportionally huge on Wiktionary, so it's something to think about when designing a new TOC. On the Gramatyka page on plwiki you at least get the intro without scrolling and the page actually ''is'' very long, so it's understandable the TOC also gets big. I've taken a look at the CSS (should have done that sooner) and simply disabling "position:sticky" stops the new TOC from being so infuriating. IMHO that should be the default, or at the very least, proper research should be done into this. Not only to determine by majority vote what users prefer (I wouldn't be surprised if sticky wins a binary majority vote) but also how crazy either option can drive users who ''don't'' like it. Pleasing a majority is no good if it causes a minority to be greatly aggravated. While I personally can get around it using technical means, that isn't true for most people. I'll also note that the experience on devices that are primarily controlled with a touchscreen may very well be different. With a keyboard, scrolling back up to the TOC is nearly no effort. Just press "home" or hold "page up". With a touchscreen, not so much, so I can see why sticky might have a greater appeal there. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 07:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::What TOC? I don't get any such thing. [[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]] ([[User talk:Betaneptune|talk]]) 17:36, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
:100% agree. [[User:Football Lab|Football Lab]] ([[User talk:Football Lab|talk]]) 09:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== Watchlist icon ==

[[User:Schierbecker|Schierbecker]] [[Topic:Wu23w3nlomndp5f1|wrote]]:
<blockquote>The watchlist icon too closely resembles a hamburger menu button. I can see many clicking the button thinking it is a dropdown menu. Some may lose unsaved edits after clicking it.</blockquote>

I completely agree, but not really because it resembles a hamburger button but because it's sandwiched (no pun intended!) between dynamic menus. If there was the dropdown arrow next to the interlangs, alerts and notices buttons just like the personal menu, it would communicate more clearly that the watchlist button is a simple link and not a menu. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 02:38, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks for this comment, @[[User:Nardog|Nardog]]. We'll think how we could improve this. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:55, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

== Sidepanel is bloated ==

Tonight size of left panel is increased too much. It covers more than ¼ screen now.
https://imgur.com/3YJlcii
Can I reduce size of panel, as it was before? [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 21:18, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
: Agreed. I feel there's too much white space padding the left and right of the sidebar. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 00:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] @[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] thank you for these reports. It seems like you may have your browser window zoomed in, is that correct? Also, if you are able to please add any additional thoughts, needs, screenshots, and ideas to this task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306660. [[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AHollender (WMF)|talk]]) 14:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::No, my browser not using zoom. I using personal css with font-size 14pt, but when I login to other account without personal css, the sidepanel still terrible huge.
::https://imgur.com/l8bIrDF [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 15:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]]: Apologies, I should have clarified. The sidebar here is fine; the one at Wikipedia isn't. Resetting the zoom level on Wikipedia doesn't address the issue; there's still a lot of white space padding the element. I'll leave this discussion and focus on [[#I oppose the new sidebar/TOC]] and the mentioned Phabricator ticket, which describes my issue more accurately. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 15:10, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

::: The ambiguity and confusion evident from the preceding discussion suggests that the interface has become to complex. Aren't the original sidebar and TOC at the top of the page enough? Why change? Is another popup menu necessary to switch language? What about setting language in user preferences? Simplify, simplify, simplify. Regards, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|talk]]) 00:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC limit doesn't work anymore ==

It seems that this "sidebar TOC" has different classes, making [[:en:Template:TOC limit]] doesn't work anymore. [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 07:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Templates can only control the content of an article so [[en:Template:TOC_limit/styles.css]] won't apply outside the article area so new classes won't help here. A magic word would need to be added so support this use case if important and time allows. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 15:37, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

== I oppose the new sidebar/TOC ==

Please make it possible for the users to collapse the left sidebar/TOC or to reduce the white space size. I for one use a browser sidebar (Sidebery) as well as 150% or even bigger text size. Combined with the forced sidebar/TOC, the actual line length becomes much smaller than the recommended length. [[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] ([[User talk:PeterTrompeter|talk]]) 08:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] - thanks for your feedback. We're currently exploring better solutions for the ToC at narrow widths, which include the option of collapsing as well. Check out [[phab:T306660]] for the details and prototypes. It would be great to get your opinion on some of these. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:40, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

::I wonder about one thing: Who on earth thought that having such a monstrosity as that [pejorative snipped] TOC as a PERMANENT part of the skin would be a good idea ? I mean, having it pop up might be a useful thing for newbies (and I find even that a stretch of my imagination), but PERMANENTLY wasting space on a table of contents you consult perhaps once or twice per (long) article ? So KINDLY have it fixed to be hideable/collapsible so that we can get actual article contents on our screens. (One sidenote here: Apart from my blowout here - yes, I am aware that working on these projects is a chore, and despite my invectives here, I AM grateful for your efforts. It's just that this kind of stuff goes so completely against what would be the natural idea here, that I blow my top unnecessarily hard - people generally want to read the TEXT of the articles, so when a new skin development deliberately wastes space on the table of contents - ????? ) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 16:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Hey @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], we test all of the proposed changes. Editors and readers were strongly in support of this change. More details here: [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Table of contents]]. Cheers, [[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AHollender (WMF)|talk]]) 17:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::::My question stands: Why having it there PERMANENTLY ??? Ok, I find something that's relevant for me to read; usually, I then want to READ just that; not the thread that led me there... So, why PERMANENTLY ??? [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 17:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

== Public and private views... ==

While thinking about this, I was struck with what appears to me to be a central point of division here: This is not a question of how THE user interface should look like; but, rather, it is a question of what we should look like to anonymous users, and what choices should be available to those of us who log in ? Does that differentiation make sense ? (I should mention that I'm coming to this from Wikipedia, and that I have very little experience with the other projects.) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 19:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Yeah @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], this makes sense. With the caveat that I don't know what central point of division you are referring to :D
:At the moment, except for gadgets and such little tweaks, we aren't able to offer different interfaces for logged-out and logged-in users. Also, we can't make it possible to easily switch between different settings like dark/light mode, contrast versions, font sizes, etc. We need to improve the basics of the viewing/reading experience, we can do ''that'', so we're doing it.
:As a result, readers use our interface more comfortably, we check that with regular A/B tests. As for the most dedicated editors, they can/should:
:# Help us build an interface useful to them (by giving feedback on the prototypes, on the changing interface on "pilot wikis", by adjusting gadgets, etc.)
:# Accept the arguments about the results of user testing, A/B testing, community feedback...
:# Accept the "final" version as the basic version, and
:# Configure it further if they want.
:Our team would like to work the interface deeper. We would like to make it more modular and adjustable. (Of course, content would stay objectively the same for all.) A few months ago, we started working with more closely [[Growth]] and [[Editing]]. Now we're checking how ambitious we can be.
:Does that answer your question? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:26, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
::My way of thinking here, is that the main divider here is between what should be visible and available to those who are NOT logged in, and what should be available and possible for those who DO log in. This is because the big difference between the two groups, is that those who are logged in, are also able to seek detailed information and make informed choices (and possibly programmed adaptations), whereas the non-logged in can not be trusted to have any particular information about the system, do not have a way of communicating preferences, and therefore needs to be given visual cues as to what's possible and available, precisely because they are strangers here... (Sidenote: I am of the Wikipedia, and that is the project I write in relation to; each project will have some peculiarities that do not apply to the other (to the same degree, at least); for this reason I should remember to mention this.)
::
::I hope what I'm writing here makes some sense, I try to avoid giving specific "orders" to anyone, but rather contribute to clarifying the context so that I understand it; hopefully, what I then write makes sense to others as well... (About here my subconscious can be heard muttering "and if pigs could fly"...) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 13:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== "Beginning" is confusing ==

More feedback: when I was at [[w:Gotcha journalism]] just now, I became confused because there appeared to be a section titled "beginning", which I assumed covered the early history of the term. It took me a minute to figure out that that wasn't referring to a section but rather a way to scroll to the top of the page. Many other articles are going to have a similar problem, since we often begin with history sections that might reasonably be titled "Beginning" for early history. {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 22:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Sdkb|Sdkb]] - good catch! This is something we discussed quite a bit internally in order to finally settle on beginning, although I agree that it's still imperfect. Previously we were using "introduction". The issue there was that many articles have "introduction" as the name of their first section, causing duplication. Other options we were considering were location-based (back to top, beginning of page, etc). We are welcome to ideas on how to make this clearer. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 09:05, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::The name used by wikipedians? ''Lead section'' in English, ''résumé introductif'' in French, etc ([[d:Q10966628|Q10966628]]) [[User:Pyb|Pyb]] ([[User talk:Pyb|talk]]) 11:07, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:::On Translatewiki.net I found "Début" for fr.wiki and "Inizio" for it.wiki (on it.wiki we use also "Incipit" or "Introduzione", see [[phab:T306990]]). [[User:Patafisik|Patafisik]] ([[User talk:Patafisik|talk]]) 15:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::::@[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]], did you consider different design approaches in addition to different names? If the word had been accompanied by something like [[File:Font Awesome 5 solid caret-up.svg|16px]], it might have been a lot clearer. I also think there's some benefit to matching the terminology we already use as editors ("lead section" or "introduction"), since that makes it easier for newcomers. The Wikipedia articles that currently have "Introduction" as their first named section should not—they should be tagged with [[w:Template:Overview section]]. {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 20:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::I think using the article title would make the most sense, as the title is the uppermost heading in the article. That way the header that the reader arrives at always matches the one they've clicked on. (I'm sure "Beginning" is better than "Introduction," but it's not unheard of as a section title either: e.g. [[w:Creolization|Creolization]], [[w:Ashikaga shogunate|Ashikaga shogunate]], [[w:History of Carthage|History of Carthage]]. Is there any way to determine how often it's used?) [[User:Arms & Hearts|Arms & Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms & Hearts|talk]]) 19:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I think "Top" would be less confusing and generally make more sense as that seems to be the common English term for the top of the page. [[Special:Contributions/132.170.199.112|132.170.199.112]] 19:32, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of contents below sidebar just doesn't work ==

On a broader note than the two pieces of feedback above, I have to say that my experience so far with the new table of contents has been really frustrating. As an editor, I use lots of the links in the left sidebar quite frequently, so I don't want to collapse it (and even if I did, the way it persists in whatever state you leave it in means that every time I used it it'd return). But preserving the left sidebar forces the table of contents below it, which is just awful. The number one time I want to use the ToC is when I first navigate to an article, and I either want to jump to a specific section or just to see what sections it has to get an overview. Forcing me to scroll to get to that information is extremely annoying, and if it's kept in the final version, I predict the outcry will be intense. You could resolve this either by retaining the old style ToC alongside the new (which would also solve the [[w:MOS:SANDWICH|sandwiching]] concerns I've previously raised) or by moving the ToC above the left sidebar. From your previews, I know you've been working on moving some stuff around and introducing pinning, so I hope this will be resolved in future iterations. But the initial version being introduced here is clearly not ready yet. Best, {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 22:53, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
: For me it seems the table of contents and the sidebar seems to be two different things. On Wikipedia, I collapsed the sidebar and the table of contents still remain. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 03:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::I want ToC collapsed too. But there is no way to do it. It uses almost 1/3 of my screen and makes reading very difficult.- [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 05:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Same here. 14" Screen, collapsed sidebar menu, open only when needed. With the new TOC I cannot collapse the sidebar, it's just a toggle between navbar and TOC. I appreciate the effort and that it's a first attempt, but it definitely should be optional. And yes, I was involved in feedbacks and testing earlier. Regards [[User:Elya|Elya]] ([[User talk:Elya|talk]]) 14:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

:::: +1, the TOC should be accessible from the top of the page, and collapsible (vertically; also horiz if it is making the sidebar too wide - many pages have section heads that are quite long). [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 17:35, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

== About Google Docs and Zoom ==

{{Ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} Thank you for the invitation I received for tomorrow's videcall since I was an interface admin and a developer! but sadly I cannot participate since I don't use Google Docs or Zoom for security reasons (partially related: [https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-senate-german-government-tell-staff-not-to-use-zoom/] [https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.html]).

I don't know if it could be useful but maybe in the future you may consider to land the doc on the wiki itself, or using Etherpad [https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/] when realtime is needed.

To drop Zoom, maybe I can propose Jitsi Meeting [https://meet.jit.si/] that is gratis and libre and supports streaming on social network to support large audience. (Also [[Wikimedia Meet]] deserves a try and some feedback). [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 15:38, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]]. I understand your concerns and thank you for the language you use. I do appreciate that. As you may have realized, it isn't without a reason why we use these particular tools/platforms.
:# Google Docs are used by the Foundation as the default tool for making internal notes and docs. We might, for the purposes of the office hours, replace it with Etherpad. There's a problem with the translations, though. Asking translators to update just one word, and waiting until they've done that, could be troublesome. This is why I can only commit to replace this if we make more changes to the announcement. (By the way, the announcement is [[Template:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Office hours announcement|fully standardized]] and translated into 16 languages, some of which use declination or are not written in the Latin script.)
:# We need our office hours to be technically (platform-wise) predictable. Although Jitsi is open source and Zoom is not, the latter is more effective. It has been widely used for online meetings in the movement. It's been used by the WMF for office hours with the CEO, Maryana; it's been used by affiliates. There are hundreds of Wikimedians who at least once have participated in a Wikimedia meeting on Zoom. We know how to provide live translations there. Jitsi, on the other hand, is less popular, and we'd have to learn how to support live translations, including more trainings organized specifically for our meetings.
:# We may consider having office hours on IRC. Frankly, I have a feeling that since the migration from Freenode, IRC has been more and more marginalized, but we could give it a try.
:I'm curious what other Wikimedians watching this page think. Add your comments! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::Just asking for an understanding that Google Form and Zoom are a bug, not a feature, to participate in a Wikimedia project. A bug that deserves a long-term fix. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 15:57, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
::: I appreciate these are standard across parts of the Foundation. And agree w/ [[user:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio]] this is a bug, not a feature. Perhaps it's time to revisit this across the org. :) We should be using tools that can be constantly used and deployed by communities for events, workshops, office hours, talks without sending traffic through commercial servers.
::: ''Text'': Google makes some very wiki-spirited tools (they did absorb JotSpot back in 2006) so it's stayed around for a while. But we simply must stop using it as a crutch that keeps us from using and being delighted by notetaking on our own platform. Our collaborative platform for drafting and discussing documents. Our versioned, searchable platform.
::: ''Video'': I too have to use Zoom sometime, but I'm always surprised and a bit dismayed when a Wikimedia meeting uses it! Jitsi is stable, widely used + repackaged, easily modded and forked, and we host a [https://meet.wmcloud.org/ lovely instance] on the WM cloud. [We also regularly use BigBlueButton for larger audiences.] It makes it easy to name a persistent rooms, embed it it in other places or tools (see Jitsi-as-a-service + [[w:Brave Talk|Brave Talk]] these days), &c. We should be thinking about how to better use video streams in our projects, and using this framework as we do so. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 12:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], I will not participate in any forum that is not public. Why the wmf foundation wants to share information via Zoom, a for-profit corporation which provides no guarantee of privacy, is anyone's guess. We have been using wiki-code for discussion since 2001, why this change?
::I apologize if you find my message above irrespecutful, but this represents the views of many. [[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|talk]]) 18:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Instant jumping vs. animated scrolling for table of contents ==

As you're polishing up the table of contents, one thing it'd be nice to consider is the behavior when you click on a section in it. Currently, it instantly jumps to that section, but I think it'd be better if it instead did a very quick scroll (maybe a quarter of a second). This would help readers to more easily understand what's happening when they click the link, and to get a better intuitive sense of what the article contains by seeing it flash by. Would that be possible? {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 02:37, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

== Wide-column + Multi-column options for large screens ==

Readers vary in what form factor they prefer, especially for long-form high-volume reading. That's part of why this change and research into 'optimal layout' is controversial. I'm someone who finds it hard and slow to read a narrow column and have to scroll all the time, including when searching a page for a term. General feedback on width:

# Include a comfortable default for large screens. The (potentially large) gray margins on left and right, outside large white margins, bracketing a forced-maxwidth central column, do not feel good. Wide-col or multi-col could work.
# Offer an explicit wide-column pref that doesn't require people to change skins, even if that is less aggressively supported/tested across all platforms.
# A multi-column design for text within sections – mimicking the style of most long-form magazines and scholarly journals – would be interesting and can be surpassingly beautiful. That's what I'd like to see our wide-screen layouts transition to. We already do this within sections for references, lists, and galleries.

Even low-end desktop monitors these days are high enough resolution to support two-column layouts. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 18:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

== I think sticky elements ruin Vector ==

I liked vector a lot more when it didn't have the new distracting elements (sticky header and sticky TOC). ''I care about the contents of the page, not the interface'', nor about the need to scroll to the top of the page every now and then. [[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] ([[User talk:Tokujin|talk]]) 17:50, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]]. Congratulations for finding this page :D You can add <code>.vector-sticky-header {display:none;}</code> to your [[metawiki:Special:MyPage/global.css|global.css]]. For now, I'm not entirely sure what to advise about the TOC, though. When the collapsible version has been deployed, we'll know what code you should use to make it not sticky and keep some other version. I invite you to revisit this topic in 2-3 weeks.
:By the way, I very much liked the first sentence of [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=5009784 your comment to the third prototype]. Have you seen the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing|fourth one]]? I encourage you to follow the instructions and share your opinion about it, too. (BTW, compare it with [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear the newest version, also a prototype].) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:28, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::Hi Szymon :-) [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Fourth_prototype_testing/Feedback#Username%3ATokujin|Done]], thank you. Regarding the global.css setting, notice that with sticky table headers enabled (in Preferences > Gadgets > Testing and development) there's a bug whereby in tables such as those in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disenchantment_episodes#Part_4_(2022) this page] the table header leaves space for the absent page header. Other tables, such as that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-nine%20Novels here], don't have this issue. [[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] ([[User talk:Tokujin|talk]]). 07:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Skin differences between wikis ==

I'm using the 2022 Vector skin globally now (with [[:m:User:Tol/global.css|some modifications]] to remove whitespace), but I'm noticing that some wikis' sidebars are different from others. For example, MediaWiki wiki (this wiki) and French Wikipedia have a thinner white-background sidebar which sits on top of the page body (and ToC in the page body), while Meta-Wiki, Wikidata, and English Wikipedia have a wider grey-background box which is not layered on top of the page body (and ToC beneath said box). I can't figure out why this is. [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 00:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Tol|Tol]] - thanks for your question, and good catch! This is due to the table of contents still needing to being A/B tested on some wikis (frwiki and mediawiki wiki being two of these). The ToC functionality is not yet available there. That said, we've began some work on reducing the margins for the ToC as a whole ([[phab:T307004]]) that will make the differences in width fairly negligible. This change will be on all wikis next week. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]]: Ah; looks great! I look forward to that change rolling out. Thanks! [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 14:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Tool bars and tables ==

Hi, thanks for the update. A few observations:
# I would suggest that users have the option to keep the tool bar on the sidebar from the beginning, instead of having to click "tools" -> "[move to sidebar]" every single time.
# The readability of tables and graphs that are wider than the (quite tight) text column is an issue. In certain cases, the tables represent time series data (e.g. population in a country or municipality over time) that cannot just be tightened. Do you have a proposal to solve this issue? The NYT, which is a site that you explicitly mention as inspiration, lets tables and images occupy the whole width of the screen if necessary.
[[User:GeneraleAutunno|GeneraleAutunno]] ([[User talk:GeneraleAutunno|talk]]) 20:39, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

== Next steps for the Table of Contents ==
Hey all - thank you for all the feedback around the issues you were experiencing with the ToC, especially on narrow screens. We've taken a few steps to fix some of these issues:
* We're reducing the margins of the ToC to more closely resemble those of the prototype (tracked in [[phab:T307004]])
* We have a temporary solution for the ToC at narrow widths, which removes the ToC alltogether
* We are building functionality to allow for the ToC to be collapsible and expandable at narrow widths (tracked in [[phab:T306660]])
* We are planning on making the ToC collapsible at all screen sizes and widths (tracked in [[phab:T307901]])
* https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear links to a prototype that puts all of these changes together.
We would appreciate your feedback and thoughts on the decisions made within the prototype and whether they work for you. Thanks! [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:cc @[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]], @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]], @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], @[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]], @[[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]], @[[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] - in case you're interested. Apologies if I'm forgetting anyone else that was asking about this! [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:46, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva]], thank you, it's a solid improvement! Just one request: can the hiding/unhiding be made persistent so my choice remains in effect even if I navigate to another page? [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 12:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you, that's good news! (Adding a clarification: I'm responding to OVasileva, here.) My thinking is that making it collapsible is the only reasonable way to go; with the added point that for newcomers and anonymous readers it should perhaps be turned "on" as default; if the collapse button is clearly visible, the TOC will be useful to some, and easily removable for the rest, which should be the useful level of the intrusive/invisible conundrum... Thank you, once again. [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 13:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]]: Thanks for letting me know. Since this seems to be only in effect for the new Vector skin, maybe some work could be done to have the table of contents be shown in focus and have a button on the sticky header, as well as a keyboard shortcut for it? [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 14:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks for the work, I like the prototype a lot. I've missed the easily available overview that the ToC provides. Compare to the 2010 design, it is very useful to have the ToC available no matter how far down you scroll.
:On small screens, the "move to sidebar" link text is not accurate with regards to what happens visually when you click on it. [[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] ([[User talk:PeterTrompeter|talk]]) 16:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
:On narrow screens this is still quite jarring, and having no TOC is a loss, being able to move the TOC back in to the body (dynamically and programmatically) seems a better compromise. A problem I see is that even when there is no TOC on a page, all that space it could use is still being consume by blank space, that wasted horizontal space needs to be able to be reclaimed somehow. We've been testing some options that are aimed at more power desktop '''editors''' so they can use vector-2022, but still have access to most of their screen (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_%C3%9Cber_Alles?useskin=vector-2022&withgadget=wide-vector-2022 example] (will really only be strikingly noticable if you are on a wide screen)) but still are getting complaints about the huge space used by the TOC. [[User:Xaosflux|Xaosflux]] ([[User talk:Xaosflux|talk]]) 11:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== Banners and roadmap ==

Hi, I think you should consider to add banners in order to present the restyling to a much wider part of users. IMO they should link to discussion and presentation pages.
You should also consider to present to the wikis a clear roadmap with dates in order to present ahead of time big changes like the adoption of the new Vector.
This two changes would make you work clearer to the eyes of the users and would prevent some dissatisfactions. In particular I'd like to point out that [[:it:Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/La_nuova_interfaccia_desktop|what is happening on itwiki]] is being perceived as an imposition against the general consensus and I agree with the Italian users that are saying that forcing the adoption of the new skin is not the right way to act. These two are some ideas to widen the discussion, forcing something against the will of most will just radicalize the opposing positions even more. -- [[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 11:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:I just received the good piece of news that the adoption of the new skin has been delayed for itwiki and I thank you for this. But I still think that the two ideas that I presented above would be good tools to prevent something similar to happen again. ----[[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks @[[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]]. These are great suggestions.
:* Banners - [[phab:T304839|T304839]] - we've been working this for some time. Soon, the banner should be visible to some logged-in Vector users. They will be encouraged to switch to the new skin, and some time later, they'll see another banner with a link to this talk page.
:* Links to the project page - [[phab:T307113|T307113]] - our idea was similar. We'll add a link to the list of skins in preferences.
:* Roadmap - that's also a very good point. We'll consider how to present this to the community most effectively.
:* Itwiki - we'll continue this topic on itwiki, alright?
:[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for you consideration! :) And speaking of itwiki of course we will continue the topic right there. -- [[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 16:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sticky header 'dead zone' in articles with long lead sections ==
{{tracked|T307345}}
Steps to reproduce:

# Visit an article with at least a moderately long lead section (e.g., [[en:Charles de Gaulle]]).
# Scroll down a little way.
# Observe that the sticky header appears.
# Scroll down a little further, so that the first heading appears, but not much further than that.
# Observe that the sticky header vanishes.
# Scroll down even further.
# Observe that the sticky header re-appears.

This does not seem like intended behaviour. I am testing on Firefox 100. [[User:FrankSpheres|FrankSpheres]] ([[User talk:FrankSpheres|talk]]) 04:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:FrankSpheres|FrankSpheres]] - thank you for your report! We already have a fix for this bug, tracked in [[phab:T307345|T307345]]. It will be available early next week. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 08:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on new look ==
I like that stuff that is generally rarely used is hidden, such as the language picker.

I am not a fan of moving the table of contents off the main article body section. I didn't even register that the table of contents was there and I frequently use the TOC to get an overview of interesting sections of articles. With the TOC being isolated at the side bar, it seems separated from the article itself, while it should be a central part. Maybe it would work better if it appeared on the right of the article, where there is currently just whitespace?

Speaking of whitespace: I dislike the move to a max-width on article pages. This feature should at the very least be toggle-able with a button (without a need to log in). I feel like it makes the article feel more cramped, with less space for images and figures. There is already a very good solution to setting the effective width in the old view: Simply resize your window or zoom in on your browser. With the new look, I am forced to a max-width and I don't have a solution to control the width like I did before.

Whitespace and the TOC did something beautiful together in the old look actually. The TOC conveniently visually separated the article lead section from the rest of the article by introducing white space, which I personally found very pleasing. The new look has the lead section blend in with the rest of the article. This makes the lead appear more daunting, while its purpose is to serve as a quicker summary. Perhaps the lead section should be followed by a larger piece of whitespace than is normally found above headings, so as to separate the lead from the rest as before?

Finally I am quite sad to see that the Wikipedia globe logo is diminished - I really like the globe with the symbols and it doesn't look very good at low resolutions. I think the size of the globe was perfectly fine before. Besides, it seems there's plenty of space for it to have the same size as before so I'm kind of puzzled why this change was made in the first place.

I will also say that the arrow next to the Wikipedia globe (the one to minimize the side bar) leads to an unfortunate usability flaw. I initially thought the arrow was supposed to take me back to the front page (it is right next to the logo and the leftward direction suggests a "back" action). But that is not what it does at all. So the arrow is kind of confusing at first. --[[User:SorteKanin|SorteKanin]] ([[User talk:SorteKanin|talk]]) 16:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

== When testing the new skin, offer a one-click way to change back ==
The banners inviting users to test the new skin offer a one-click option that updates your skin to new Vector. The banner is then replaced with a message saying "give us feedback!", but it should also offer a one-click way to revert the change. Users may not be familiar with how to undo the change. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 12:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

:The one-click option to revert is the final item of the sidebar's top section, in bold. Are you suggesting a second method should be included, or that the link should be made more obvious and flashy by moving to the banner?
:The sidebar link seems fine to me. Particularly because this is less about the theme and more ergonomics for migration. [[User:Kees Person|Kees Person]] ([[User talk:Kees Person|talk]]) 15:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

:: I found it eventually, thanks. Yes, putting it in the banner, or putting a js link in the banner that highlighted the sidebar link, would be clearer :) [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 19:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Too little space ==

It's probably fine for those who don't use wide-screen monitors, but as someone who does it is quite annoying having everything mushed together like on mobile. I have read the page on this, but I think there should be a way to keep the functionality of the skin but lengthen the screen. [[User:Lallint|Lallint]] ([[User talk:Lallint|talk]]) 13:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
: I concur. I tried the new skin a couple of times and just could not do it. I have bought a standalone monitor for a reason - and it's not that large anyway (1920 x 1200) - yet the new skin wastes a third of my screen space. [[User:Kashmiri|Kashmiri]] ([[User talk:Kashmiri|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::Actually I use a 13" laptop and I initially thought that my computer switched to mobile version by mistake, but I later realized that was the desktop layout. I think the way everything is squeezed-in together takes away from the experience; there is nothing wrong with the header and tools bar they look fine to me, yet the sizing seems off for desktop users. [[User:Humanized|Humanized]] ([[User talk:Humanized|talk]]) 10:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sidebar too long ==

Sidebar too long and page too small on Wikimedia wikis [[User:LisafBia6531|LisafBia6531]] ([[User talk:LisafBia6531|talk]]) 16:24, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== Do not use a sticky header. ==

I think the new layout makes much better use of whitespace on 16:9 displays, making paragraphs easier to read. However, vertical space is someone no website that serves text-rich pages to users can ever get enough of. I believe that every (non-redundant, e.g. the article name is displayed twice on most browsers in the window tab title and the sticky header) element currently placed on the sticky header would not just fit on the sticky sidebar, but by removing the sticky header the layout will better serve what readers come to a wiki to do.

As a side note though, I am awfully sentimental about the old Wikipedia header logo and type layout, that giant globe and the accompanying text beneath it is far too iconic to change in my opinion, even for a redesign. [[User:Saedes|Saedes]] ([[User talk:Saedes|talk]]) 14:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sidebar considerations for vertical monitors/half-width windows ==

I haven't tested this out thoroughly yet, but I'm going to be adding this section to start a discussion on how the new layout uses responsive design when display device/window aspect ratios are greater in height than width. [[User:Saedes|Saedes]] ([[User talk:Saedes|talk]]) 14:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== The table of contents is in the wrong place ==

It's nice to have a table of contents right there on the side so you can move back and forth between sections but i don't like the fact that you have to scroll down a bit to find it. If there's a way to keep it at the top of the page so you see it right as the page loads then as the user scrolls down it changes into a sticky header, that would be better. [[User:Abhaypradjha|Abhaypradjha]] ([[User talk:Abhaypradjha|talk]]) 10:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

== Search bar UX is inefficient (Fitts's law) ==

I want to search.
# If I am at the top of the article, I click mindlessly anywhere on the header and type straight away.
# If I am down the article, I have to pinpoint an icon.

This is bad because
* The inconsistency turns my muscle memory against me
* It goes against [[w:en:Fitts's_law#Implications_for_UI_design|Fitts's law]]: pinpointing an icon requires precision and is slower than clicking a large bar at the border of the screen without giving much thought into it.

A solution would be that clicking on the article title or empty space in the sticky header hides the article title and displays the search bar (empty and focused).

My case is that I often read the documents with the help of Wiktionary, so I use the search bar heavily and my usage pattern is fundamentally different than on Wikipedia. On Wiktionary, the interesting information is on one line or two, for each one of many unrelated entries, so searching is almost exclusively my means of navigation. [[User:Wanlpz|Wanlpz]] ([[User talk:Wanlpz|talk]]) 19:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC: the position of the content ==
Hi, I like your [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear last prototype of TOC], in particular the blu color which helps to find a menu when you collapse it.

I notice something I consider a bug: when the TOC is collapsed, if the tools menu is collapsed too the content is in the correct position, but if you move to the sidebar the tools, the content changes his position (it shifts on the left side). It feels strange. It doesn't happens when the TOC is on the sidebar, and you open/collapse the Tools menu.--[[Special:Contributions/151.42.0.114|151.42.0.114]] 13:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

==Sidebar==
The sidebar has extended a bit (and by that, I mean a LOT) too far, which makes things very uncomfortable for me. I'm fine with the skin other than that, but the overintrusive sidebar is just awful. Plus, there are these white extensions to it that shouldn't be there. I hope you understand what I'm talking about, and at least take notes on it! [[User:ARandomPage|ARandomPage]] ([[User talk:ARandomPage|talk]]) 11:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Зробіть для кожного коментатора окремий відділ ==

'''Привіт я досі не можу зрозуміти чому кожен коментатор не може писати окремо це набагато зручніше...'''

'''Новий дизайн набагато простіший в візуальному плані але до нього треба звикати)))'''

'''Також я побачив що новий дизайн не працює в деяких мовах''' [[User:Ilolg|Ilolg]] ([[User talk:Ilolg|talk]]) 14:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Some incoherence ==

Hey there! To begin with, I want to make it clear I've got nothing against updating the desktop experience at all. I wanted to make it clear in case I seem like a person ranting something like, "Give me back my good old skin!121".

What I think is that by making the skin you folks tried to reconcile the legacy appearance with some modernity. A good point, though the effect is not as optimistic. The top buttons (edit & history & etc) that retain the legacy shadowing do not fit in with the new cohesive background as seen in the left-hand sidebar. I'd consider re-adapting the former so that they better suit the new design. [[User:Mustafar29|Mustafar29]] ([[User talk:Mustafar29|talk]]) 10:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== A few more issues with the Page header vs Sticky header icons ==
Premise: I agree with the comments above that an update can only be a good thing; I'm sending kudos to all the teams working behind the scenes; and I only started using Vector 2022 a few weeks ago - noticing that it gets better each day. I'm not sure if the issues I'm having are slated to be improved or are haven't yet been considered.

1. Lack of coherence in the sticky header iconography
I frequently work on the special pages where the sticky header is absent which makes it frustrating when I move to another page (article page) and it appears and then back to 'edit' or 'view the history' of a page and it disappears again. I feel that I should be able to move from page type to page type without noticing drastic changes in the header.

2. Order of icons and functionality is different between the sticky header and page header - specifically some items disappear completely, some move from one area to the next and others are simply re-ordered. (Until just now I thought the search bar had been remove but I just found it as an icon that was pushed to the extreme left hand side after the article title. Now I understand the others who said that with a 27" monitor the left side icons are essentially out of sight.)

[[file:Headers-sticky-vs-page.jpg|600px]]
* Examining the two headers more in detail we see that the icons seem to be in the same place which makes it hard to notice they are different. Starting from the right, we see that the icons are identical in both therefore, we naturally expect the two (people) dropdown menus to contian the same items.
* Moving towards the left we see two icons with a star which pertain to the same semiotic sphere yet actually have different functionalities. One icon (that looks like a drop down menu but isn't) takes you to your watchlist while the other simply indicates whether the current page is on your watchlist and fuctions as a toggle to add the page if it isn't. There is a futher issue with how similar this icon is to the 'Contributions' icon, making it hard to distinguish for those of us who have bad eyesight - but that is an issue for another post.
* Continuing to the left, the issue becomes more confusing. 'Your notices' from the page header disappears (or maybe I just haven't found it yet) and the text menu 'View history' moves into the sticky header as an icon -the tool tips are the same in both and they are basically in the same position onthe page, which helps a bit.
* And with the final icons (still moving left) the 'Your alerts' bell disappears (or hasn't been found) and the 'Discussions about this page' transform from a text menu on the left into an icon on the right, at least the tooltip is the same. I have to admit that it's not clear to me why my user name is only visible on the page header and then moves under the person icon in the sticky header. It's not exactly a problem in itself, but it does add to the confusion of icons and functionality that seems to jump around from page to page.
* Finally, it seems that the “Edit” and “Edit source” functions have disappeared along with the special menu items of “delete”, “purge” and “move” unless you scroll back up to the top of the page. I believe these issues have already been mentioned by others above.

Again a big thanks to all of you working hard to update the interface and the 'restyling'. I hope when this is all finished, the sticky header will be unobtrusive and not noticeable like the ones normally found on modern webpages. --[[User:Lepido|Lepido]] ([[User talk:Lepido|talk]]) 21:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Left menu too wide ==

The main menu on the left is too wide and makes the rest of the page appear too cramped in relation to the menu. [[User:Urban Versis 32|Urban Versis 32]] ([[User talk:Urban Versis 32|talk]]) 00:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== The TOC, again ==

It just makes all look too narrow and tight, at least to me. I've been working on various lists projects recently and now they all look god awful because they had the old look in mind. [[User:Tintero21|Tintero21]] ([[User talk:Tintero21|talk]]) 02:08, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
==I prefer the old version ==
It's cool but I prefer the old version. [[User:Super ninja2|Super ninja2]] ([[User talk:Super ninja2|talk]]) 07:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== suggestion: collapsible table of contents ==

the appearance of the site is far too narrow. i would suggest making the table of contents collpasible to the left. [[User:Lettherebedarklight|Lettherebedarklight]] ([[User talk:Lettherebedarklight|talk]]) 12:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
: Me too. Also could be hidden, in options, so the user can read better the text. Now, it is too narrow and tight. --[[User:BoldLuis|BoldLuis]] ([[User talk:BoldLuis|talk]]) 13:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Line under title colliding with coordinates ==
{{Tracked|T310369}}

[[File:TitleLineColliding.png|thumb|alt=Gray horizontal line under the title colliding with coordinates given on top right of page]]

See image. The horizontal line under the title collides with any coordinates that are displayed on the top right.
--[[User:MimiKal797|MimiKal797]] ([[User talk:MimiKal797|talk]]) 14:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

:Even I wanted to state this same issue. [[User:Excellenc1|Excellenc1]] ([[User talk:Excellenc1|talk]]) 16:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

: Also the floating title can obscure content. For example, open the front page of [[b:Oberon|Oberon]] and scroll to the bottom. Click on instance "a" of footnote 43. That should take you to "MT, in V5, the constant address ...". In fact, the next glossary entry "native, modifies the name ..." is displayed. Not a terrible defect but baffling for a novice trying to learn. Thx, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|talk]]) 00:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
::I came here for a MeToo (about the coords/line collision). Classic Vector does not have the problem. Also, I think the languages dropdown is uncomfortably close to the coordinates; if you hover over that button you can see they overlap, which generates cruft when the dropdown is activated. Did anyone write up a ticket? [[User:DavidBrooks|DavidBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidBrooks|talk]]) 15:35, 9 June 2022 (UTC) - OK, I did: T310369 [[User:DavidBrooks|DavidBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidBrooks|talk]]) 15:19, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
:::This is being discussed in [[:en:Template talk:Coord#Coordinates bad positioning]]. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:32, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

== Great GUI ==

Everything looks very appealing to me. I think the blank left space really aids in reading as the width of the line reduces its easier for me to not to confuse the line which I have to read next. Overall I loved it. One suggestion that I want to give is that it would be very nice if you could change the visual of the tab. It looks a little too classic to me and would be very nice of you if you could add dark mode ( I don't know if it already exists), this I think would give a very appealing look to the website . Thank You. [[Special:Contributions/]] 17:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
: If you ever want to reduce the width of the lines you are reading, I suggest you just resize your window, as the elegance of desktop browsing is that it gives you control over the size of the page. As for me, this layout takes away that control. Using it, I can no longer read an article with the full width of my screen without fiddling with my common.css, a luxury that would not be available to me when I'm not logged in, and am instead forced to use ~2/3 of that width, even when the window is reaching into every corner of my screen. There are several ways of using dark mode on wikipedia listed [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Dark_mode|here]], but I agree it should be made easier. --[[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 16:42, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback ==

I was prompted to give some feedback on the 2022 Vector skin, and I have to say that it needs a bit more work.
* The mix of new and old UI elements doesn't look good; specifically the View, Edit, Edit Source etc. menu bar looks out of place among the flatter new UI
* There's uneven and unnecessary padding around the left pane with the many links that can be filled with the pane
* There should be an option to have the content filling any display larger than 4:3, as most displays are 16:9. I understand the argument that it helps some people in reading but having an option is better, as it doesn't help ''all'' people. Additionally, a poll should be run in all Wikimedia projects on which one should be the default (4:3 or full width) — [[User:Dimsar01|Dimsar01]] ([[User talk:Dimsar01|talk]]) 23:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Here is My feedback
*I see that the sections are not properly sectioned on the screen
*I am using dark mode and when I want to add reference or qualifier or something like that, I see a white suggestion screen
All in all I can say for now is that I really needs more work done and I can prefer the older one for now thank you
[[User:Micheal Kaluba|Micheal Kaluba]] ([[User talk:Micheal Kaluba|talk]]) 05:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== Short description ==

It would be great to have the short description visible on pages, like it is on the search and on mobile, so users can more easily edit them and identify information.

Like said by other users, the mix of new and old UI looks bad. The [https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale most recent prototype], for all its faults, had a well unified UI. I also think that the page tools (and "In other projects") should be separated from links for the whole website like was done in the [https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale most recent prototype], though there were many flaws with that execution (see [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing/Feedback#User: BappleBusiness|my comments]]), and all those links should be condensed by default. "Beginning" should definitely be named "Lead" or "Lead section", like said by others.

I really appreciate the effort that is going into this. I think the vast majority of these changes are for the better, it just needs more work. [[User:BappleBusiness|BappleBusiness]] ([[User talk:BappleBusiness|talk]]) 00:32, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Software Gore ==

[[File:Languages on Wiktionary with new layout.png|thumb|Software gore]]
This is pure software gore. If you want to explain to me why it's like this, you're wasting your breath. I've edited Wiktionary for over a decade and I understand how it's come to look like this, and I don't even have a solution to propose. But I feel terrible for anyone trying to navigate this mess for the first time. —[[User:Pengo|Pengo]] ([[User talk:Pengo|talk]]) 00:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Watchlist tooltip ==

Hi folks! I'm vaguely used to the watchlist icon (since I've switched themes many times over the past decade or so, and use the mobile app/website), but I still need to resort to the tooltips when I'm on my desktop. It would seem I'm not the only one that takes a moment to mentally translate the icon to the concept in my brain (per {{ping|Nardog}}'s earlier [[#Watchlist icon]] comment). I may stay with "Vector 2022" over on [[commons:Main_page|commons.wikimedia.org]] after trying it out for a bit, but please: could y'all change the tooltip so that the word "watchlist" is in the tooltip? Currently, the icon sports the the very verbose tooltip: "''A list of pages you are monitoring for changes [Alt+Shift+I]''", which takes a moment for me to mentally translate into "''oh, they're trying to say 'Watchlist'!''". It would be helpful if (in addition to the keyboard shortcut), the tooltip also gave the mental shortcut, perhaps with the phrase: "''Watchlist: your list of pages to monitor for changes [Alt+Shift+I]''". Since I'm guessing y'all aren't changing "watchlist" to another word, I can imagine it would be helpful for new users too. -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 04:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
:Yeah, given all the other tooltips are just "Your alerts", "Your notices", and "User menu", it seems to me it should be simply "Watchlist" or at best "Your watchlist". [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 04:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== I want the code to make the sidebar TOC disappear ==

Please. Ping me. [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 05:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

It's probably not too hard since there seems to still be a {{tag|mw:tocplace}} element left -- you need to grab the element, move it back and do some style fixups. Kinda like [[w:zh:User:Artoria2e5/Gadget-sidetoc.js]] but backwards. --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:43, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Ah well, I am pretty convinced that having {{tag|mw:tocplace}} but not the actual TOC hidden there is a bug now. If that gets fixed, it should be just some CSS work in your vector-2022.css:
<pre>
#mw-panel-toc {display:none;}
#toc {display:block;}
</pre>
May need to sprinkle on a bit of !important. ping [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:Yep, TOC disappeared, leaving a blank space. [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 16:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::Well, just gotta wait until they come to their senses. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 00:55, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== Space for article too narrow ==

The article took up less than the full width of the screen in the old skin, but the increased padding and needlessly wide sidebar here make the usable region even smaller. This just reproduces the issues that have had to be worked-around on mobile, including some tables being too wide to fit in the space and causing horizontal scrolling, creating the need to scroll further to get between sections, as well as causing some large image thumbs to squish the article text into narrow strips. In my opinion, the sidebar, which I think most readers rarely make use of anyway, should be consigned to a modal rather than taking up even more space, so that the article can appear centred all the way down the page. This would make room for fairly wide margins on either side without causing as many issues. (I suggest this because it seems the most noticeable "improvement" here is the addition of extra whitespace, but really, what is wrong with making full use of the window width you are given?) [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 15:50, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
: I came here to complain about the same thing - limiting the width of the pageview doesn't make sense when you have a lot of text to display. Especially the discussions became harder to read. [[Special:Contributions/78.11.223.83|78.11.223.83]] 06:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC should make the page slowly scroll to the right section, and not just jump ==

By the way, I'm still waiting for the code necessary to deactivate the lateral TOC. I've already disabled the sticky header by using .vector-sticky-header {display:none;} [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 07:51, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:That would make it take longer to get where you want to be, and prevent the user from scrolling during the time the page is sliding. The current TOC works using anchors linked to IDs, which means you can get back to where you were by simply paging back, but this, I think, would not be possible if the links were actually buttons triggering JavaScript animations. [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 08:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC not appearing at all ==

It seems that Vector 2022 is not showing ''any'' TOC -- neither the regular one nor the side one -- when it probably should. I noticed this issue about a couple of days ago but assumed it was an error on my side. Today I checked out [[w:Dmitri_Shostakovich]], tried to add a <code>_<nowiki>_TOC__</nowiki></code> magic word, found out it does nothing, and then realized it's the skin that's broken when I retried in a logged out private tab.

In a private tab:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Shostakovich?useskin=vector-2022 has no TOC right now, but
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Shostakovich?useskin=vector has a TOC.

What's going on here? [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:One refresh later it's showing the side one. I must be descending into some sort of madness. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::Annd it's gone again. No outstanding errors in the console. Seems to be sone <code>@media screen { ... .sidebar-toc {display:none; ...</code> in one of the many load.php's ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=ext.cite.styles%7Cext.echo.styles.badge%7Cext.uls.interlanguage%7Cext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript%7Cext.wikimediaBadges%7Cjquery.makeCollapsible.styles%7Cmediawiki.ui.button%2Cicon%7Coojs-ui.styles.icons-alerts%7Cskins.vector.icons%2Cstyles%7Cwikibase.client.init&only=styles&skin=vector-2022]). What. the. heck. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::The intention of the code seems to be to show the sidebar only for screens wider than a value. That's a good idea, but only if the original TOC is not removed! --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== Bold, yet very appreciated changes ==

At first I didn't like it. My first thought was that it took more space, so I got less content in my screen. I compared it side by side with the old skin and in fact, elements got more margin. But after giving it a try, reading and moving through the article, I fell in love. I really like that the TOC is now on the left and moves along with the page. It was OK before but now it feels fancy. And I feel more people are going to benefit from it now. The cleaner, more "plain white" look is nice.

I understand the decision of limiting the width of the page on (very) wide screens. In my opinion, it is a sensible design decision that improves readability. Because if lines get too wide, it can make it harder to read. Maybe this "max-width" setting can become a thing users can tweak?

I tested this new skin on a modern computer and a 1440p screen. If I were to use my old laptop, I'm sure I'd like to have the option to change to the old skin. As it fits more content and uses less CPU resources.

I appreciate this changes, and feel they are for the better. Thank you! -- [[User:Zazke grt|Zazke grt]] ([[User talk:Zazke grt|talk]]) 06:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

: I've temporarily switched back to the old Vector skin in Wikipedia because some pages like this one [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Video%20games Wikipedia:Portal:Video_games] have their contents very croped or overflowing their boxes. --[[User:Zazke grt|Zazke grt]] ([[User talk:Zazke grt|talk]]) 06:49, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC not immediately visible ==
{{Tracked|T309632}}
I am going to refrain from complaining too much as I'm prone to do with any and all UI changes :)

However, I do find the placement of the TOC particularly problematic. Personally the first thing I do when landing on a Wikipedia article is, usually, click on something in the TOC. Having to scroll down first to find it is, to me, very frustrating. [[User:Argymeg|Argymeg]] ([[User talk:Argymeg|talk]]) 12:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== Better font for Arabic/Persian فونت بهتر برای فارسی/عربی ==

As a Persian user, I think font of wikipedia is not good for these languages; Maybe Vazirmatn or other open-source good looking fonts could be better.

به عنوان یک کاربر ایرانی، من فکر می‌کنم که فونت ویکی‌پدیا برای فارسی و عربی جالب نیست؛ شاید وزیرمتن یا سایر فونت‌های منبع‌باز که ظاهری خوبی دارند انتخاب‌های بهتری باشند. [[User:Amiria703|Amiria703]] ([[User talk:Amiria703|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== It seems like the Page Previews isn't working for me here ==

Although the new skin looks more sleek, I can't use the (very useful) feature of Page Previews here. So every time I'm in for a deep read, I have to switch back to the old look. Please implement the page previews here too. [[User:SamyakShirsh|SamyakShirsh]] ([[User talk:SamyakShirsh|talk]]) 03:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there! Thanks for the report! Could I get some more information on this issue? Page previews is working for me on both Vector and Vector 2022 skin. Are you talking about the user gadget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups ? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Use the white page on the right for TOC and navigation ==

The mobie version of wikipedia app has this really nice way of navigating through sections by swiping eight. I think you can imlement this in the desktop by placing the toc on the right [[User:SamyakShirsh|SamyakShirsh]] ([[User talk:SamyakShirsh|talk]]) 03:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lone value inside calc() ==

The style sheet of the new sticky table of contents uses <code>.mw-table-of-contents-container { top: calc(-2em); }</code>. Is there a reason for putting a lone value inside <code>calc()</code>? [[User:Anerisys|Anerisys]] ([[User talk:Anerisys|talk]]) 09:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks for flagging.
:The patch introducing this is:
:https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/skins/Vector/+/789691/5/resources/skins.vector.styles/layouts/screen.less
:The use of calc is accidental, and I think a mix up our end with the appropriate LESS mixin. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Trouble With Zooming In ==

My vision is poor so I usually zoom to 200% on my browser and it is no problem. With the new skin that same magnification causes the sidebar to take up the top of my screen and I can't see the title of the article and know what page I'm on without scrolling.

== Opt-in/out for page tools? ==

There've been a few discussions on this page about the page tools links, but one possibility I haven't seen mentioned here or at [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Page tools]] is providing a way for each reader/editor to choose which links appear. For example, I use "what links here" quite a lot, "related changes" and "random article" occasionally, and all the others virtually never. Other editors will have different experiences. How about allowing us to reduce clutter by choosing what we want to keep in the menu and what we can do without? [[User:Arms & Hearts|Arms & Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms & Hearts|talk]]) 19:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
:+1. I just want to say this was the last straw that made me force legacy Vector on all sites in GlobalPreferences. Is there no opt-out aside from putting <code>tableofcontents=0</code> in the URL? No "Expand all" button? Why is there a blank space beneath the ToC? Why fade it out rather than show as much as possible? This is just user-hostile. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 16:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

== Tabs misaligned? ==

The tabs on the left seem to be next to the tabs on the right, as depicted [https://imgur.com/UfeemZ1 here]. This wasn't the case last week; should this be reported here or elsewhere? Please move if need be. [[User:Ifly6|Ifly6]] ([[User talk:Ifly6|talk]]) 07:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:: Hi there, could I get a little more information on this one? What browser and device are you using? Are you viewing this on a mobile phone by any chance? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== TOC hidden for some reason ==

{{Tracked|T309632}}
When I put my Wikipedia tab to one side at half-width, which I often do whilst multitasking, the TOC disappears for some reason, even though the other side menu (which is the same width as the TOC) stays? I am clueless as to why. All article text is pushed way to the right for some reason. It would make more sense for it to be centred on all screen widths, or to make the entirety of the left menu a solid colour like it was before.

Basically, the sidebar should be made thinner as the tab width decreases.

Also the lack of a TOC below the lead results in images fighting for space with the infoboxes of articles. There should definitely be an option to move the TOC to where it normally resides as I and likely a lot of other editors find that placement more intuitive. [[User:Miklogfeather|Miklogfeather]] ([[User talk:Miklogfeather|talk]]) 16:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:My whole left sidebar has disappeared this morning. I had to switch themes just to get some editing done. — [[User:Xenophore|Xenophore]] ([[User talk:Xenophore|talk]]) 19:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

== My many criticisms with this ==

Since it seems like Miraheze is also going to be using this new Vector skin as its default, I would like to offer mine and a lot of other users' criticisms with this new skin:

* First of all, the unnecessary dead space. The actual content space is now more narrow and there is a ton of dead space.
* The user menu is now completely messed up. The log in button and talk and contribution buttons are hidden behind the three dots, even though those are the most important buttons and should be readily available. In fact, there is no need for anything to be hidden.
* The giant TOC in the sidebar. It serves no purpose and just further limits content space.

I fail to see how exactly this is an "improvement". Also, the current layout of the skin looks nothing like what is described on the page. There is nothing about a smaller user menu. Currently, the new skin just feels off to me, and I would prefer that this skin be currently branded as "experimental", since it is far from finished. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 21:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

:I'm fine with everything except the user menu changes and content width changes. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 21:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]]. Have you maybe read our documentation where we present the reasons why particular changes are needed, why we've introduced the limited width, and what we're taking into consideration regarding how to use the unused space? I invite you to explore [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features|this page]] and its sub-pages. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I already did. I read through them more thoroughly and while some seem like a good idea on paper, the user menu and limited width do not really seem to be an "improvement", as there are now extra steps involved. The user menu is the most important thing for me and many users, and now I have to click on a separate button to log in. Maybe less limited width, since right now 1/4 of the screen is just empty space with the new skin. I still use the original Vector as my personal default, but I usually browse logged out. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 22:40, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Wikistories ==

Will Vector 2022 be influenced by [[Wikistories]]? --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 10:09, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]], what do you mean by influenced? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]: If Vector 2022 will be adapted for (compatible from a design perspective with) Wikistories. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 19:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:::@[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]], definitely. All the projects that currently are being built are compatible with or neutral to Vector 2022. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 16:47, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== Visibility Suggestions ==

Hi, first of all thanks for the work and the nice redesign. I really prefer it over the old vector look already.

I use Wikipedia mainly to get an overview or better intuition about topics related to my studies. For me, I prefer the narrower text for better readability and the persistent TOC on the left side of the screen. Makes reading complex pages a lot less painful with easy access to quick navigation.

I have some suggestions for the default behaviour of the current design:

* There should be an '''option to collapse the navigation sidebar/area''' by default (the area which contains ''Main page'', ''Contents'', ''Current events'' etc.). I am one of those people who rarely uses any of those links.
* More of an issue is due to this: The '''TOC is not always immediately visible as the navigation sidebar pushes it too far down.''' Perhaps move the sidebar to somewhere else or make it collapsible by default as suggested?
* Additionally, It '''should be more obvious that the navigation sidebar/area is collapsible.''' Currently the toggle is kind of far and disconnected from the area. I only found this out after wondering what that arrow ''<<'' meant.
* A nice addition would be to add '''more obvious indicators for current position in the TOC''' (loved this new feature the most!). I think right now the text of the current headline is just black. It would be cool if there was some highlighting or perhaps a dot to make it easier to see at a quick glance.

[[User:Devin.halsted|Devin.halsted]] ([[User talk:Devin.halsted|talk]]) 11:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

:I just noticed, that the toggling of the '''navigation sidebar/area''' does indeed persist. I just didn't notice because i switched between too many tabs.
:Something other I noticed, is perhaps that would be good for '''scrollable TOC''' to be more visibly "scrollable"? Right now there is no indication except that maybe some text is cut off. [[User:Devin.halsted|Devin.halsted]] ([[User talk:Devin.halsted|talk]]) 11:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Fifth prototype testing ==

:''Moved from [[Topic:Wx2jt9he9u1ipkpb]]''
Nothing about sticky header? The order of icons, the present icons for IPs, etc. [[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]] ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]]) 17:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
: Thanks for this comment, [[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]. As we explain on the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing|page of the fifth round of prototype testing]], that round will only be dedicated to considerations around the visual design. Pure aesthetics. The order of icons, selection of icons for IP etc., are functional considerations which may be discussed right here, on this talk page, regardless of the 5th prototype testing. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:38, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== General Feedback on Sidebar ==

I agree with other feedback that complains about the sidebar being to wide. This is a waste of space, please reduce the width a bit. However, I think it's not the width of the container but the left margin that makes people (including myself) upset. Therefore, I suggest to completely get rid of the left padding of the main container. Also please reduce the left margin of the article container to just 10 or 20 px. Even more space is wasted if the side bar is collapsed: Why is the sidebar positioned higher than ToC? This leaves free space on top of it.

You discussed that the lines of text would be too long otherwise. You could significantly reduce the length if you moved the side bar from the left side to right. You then would have (from left to right) ToC, article, sidebar.

Furthermore, the ToC should be on top of the other sections because for most people, ToC is more important than the other links. Although I understand the intention behind this to invite more people to contribute to Wikipedia, I still don't like it. [[User:GeographyMasterDE|GeographyMasterDE]] ([[User talk:GeographyMasterDE|talk]]) 09:16, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

== JPG screenshots ==

Just to point out that [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements|this page]], in which supposed design gurus are offering a lifeline to a wikipedia supposedly plagued by unsofisticated looks, is illustrated with screenshots saved in JPEG format… [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuvalkin]] ([[User talk:Tuvalkin|talk]]) 14:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

== Limited Content Width ==

I want to state my opposition the limited content width. I understand the research that the narrower format improves readability. However, there are number of good reasons not to adopt the change:

* Yes, [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Popular sites with limited width|many sites]] do use fixed width content, but in many cases their motivation is to use the space to sell advertising – a function not befitting Wikimedia. (Some news sites, such as those run by [http://www.gannett.com Gannett] have even taken the theory one step further and display all their articles as overlays – meaning that if a user accidentally clicks in the shadowed area on either side, they are frustratingly taken back to the homepage.) For this reason, full width content suggests a more reputable website. It implies a dedication to the facts, rather than attempting to fill the page with flashy content. (A [http://motherfuckingwebsite.com different website] has a more profane take on the concept. It doesn't deal directly with the issue at hand, but the underlying issue is the same.) This change just seems like another case of mobile overoptimization.
* Additionally, as correctly the noted at the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Additional notes|end of the page on the change]] is "part of what makes Wikipedia, and other Wikimedia wikis, a powerful tool for sharing knowledge is that there are very few constraints on how information is presented." For example, it's the reason that widths are specified in "ems" rather than number of columns in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Div_col div col template]. Don't get me wrong, I very strongly appreciate the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Establishing a common reading experience|need for a common standard]]. I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/Style_guide#Proposed_Aircraft_Manufacture_Aircraft_Section_Table fought for it] on Wikipedia. However, this is not the place for it.
* It is clear to me that the majority of commenters here strongly oppose limited content width. It is not to be confused with people just being afraid of change. Note that there are far fewer complaints with most of the other proposed features. I don't have access to the survey results, but a [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Repository/First Prototype Feedback Report#Summary of results|sample size of 230 users]] seems exceedingly small for such a major change. Furthermore, the commenters here are likely to a better representation of the dedicated portion of the userbase, as they took the time to respond here.

I would like to end by stating I am not completely opposed to the change. However, it should only be ''opt-in'', not the default skin. –[[User:Noha307|Noha307]] ([[User talk:Noha307|talk]]) 03:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

== Width and font size and color ==
As above, I don't like adding so much margin around the sides, or punishing people with large monitors by forcing them to change skins (which is not easy for everyone). If you are set on fixed-width columns, find a way to wrap columns within a section for wide screens :) rather than leaving huge vistas blank.

I like the move to slightly larger font.

The link color changes are most welcome. The purple could be a bit more red, to make it less pastel. Good to have a combination of "high contrast w/ other text" and "doesn't wash out on displays or projection in bright areas". [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 00:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== Section number in new ToC ==

I noticed that there is no section number in the new ToC. I hope the section number will be added again because I can quickly see how many topics there are on the talk page. [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 07:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== Move infoboxes out of the text area ==

Given that we are limiting the space for text and freeing up space on the sides, it seems to me that it would be much better to move the infoboxes to the left side, and stretch the text to its full width. Like this: https://znaniya.org/c/pushkin-aleksandr-sergeevich-8cab44. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 23:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
: I second this. Such a shame that this request is already explicitly [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Frequently_asked_questions#Will_you_improve_charts,_maps,_a-/f-/o-/tmboxes,_infoboxes,_navboxes,_other_templates?|rejected in the FAQ]]. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] & @[[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]], generally, we agree that it is a nice idea. From a reader's standpoint, infoboxes aren't pure content - rather, these are metadata and could totally work as something put next to the content area. However, these are absolutely content from the technical point of view (because these are regular templates). This issue makes it... impossible? to move them. For underlying infrastructural/back-end reasons I can't explain yet.
:However, there's a turning point. What would we work on after the Desktop Improvements? We're considering options for functionalities put in that (currently) empty area. So this topic may be revisited in the future. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], thanks for the answer! Note: We can create a separate edit area that will be responsible for the infobox, or we can move the infobox using HTML :) [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== July? ==

> ''We are hoping to increase the set of early adopter wikis gradually, until our improvements are default on all wikis in July 2022.'' 
Has the schedule changed? [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 00:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

:It has, @[[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]]. Previously it was June, now it's July. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 16:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], thanks! It's just strange that there was no information about this before. And the wikis was not informed about it. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 16:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Information was sent yesterday in Tech News. Also, this week, I'll send an update to the Village Pumps. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:30, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::: Yes, I saw it, thanks for that! But the day before yesterday, when I saw this, I got scared, because the community was not ready for this. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 19:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::We work with individual communities to help them prepare. We also don't ask the most "demanding" communities to prepare yet because Vector 2022 isn't ready to get deployed there either. We take into account that some prefer Vector 2022 to be closer to "finished", and then they would start thinking about preparing. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Language switcher opt-out ==

The new language picker is a deal breaker for me as an active editor who is working with a very diverse array of topics on Wikipedia. I write about [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Māori_phonology Māori language], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тэруха Japanese geisha], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Литература_Тайваня Taiwanese literature], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Эскимосская_кухня Inuit cuisine], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Парагвайская_арфа Paraguayan instruments], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мишон Vietnamese temples], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кабилия Algerian regions], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Берберская_кухня Berber cuisine], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кайна_(профессия) Arabic professions]. I write [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_exchange articles] that compare dozens of cultures [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Грамматическое_число or languages].

I need a way to hover over the list of languages to see the name of the page in a different random language (which can be anything from Korean to Twi). I need to be able to open 50 language editions very quickly to estimate if any of them have good illustrations or any new literature on the topic that I am working on. I often read the same article in 4 languages simply because I can read in a lot of languages and I am wondering which language edition has the best article. The workflow with the new language picker is tremendously stunted.

The main idea of the new interface seems to be making the page width more narrow. With that, there is a lot of free space at the sides, and I would like to propose putting a full list of languages there, as an option. [[User:Le Loy|Le Loy]] ([[User talk:Le Loy|talk]]) 00:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes, I agree, the decision taken now does not help advanced editors work in projects, but hinders them. I think we need to make a separate setting for the "always open" list. The problems of this list have still existed since sorting was removed. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 15:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{support}}--[[User:Wdpp|Wdpp]] ([[User talk:Wdpp|talk]]) 11:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Old version ==
:''Moved from [[Topic:Wxcz2an2ck4s4cdy]]''
After these changes are made, can I still use the old settings? [[user:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] ([[user talk: Ilovemydoodle|talk]]) 09:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes [[user:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]], legacy Vector will be available and you will be able to use it as your skin. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Incorrect language name for Czech ==

I noticed that for Czech (čeština in Czech) in the new look the first letter is incorrect, it says "Ceština" instead of "Čeština". I do think it is pretty funny, but would say it should be consistent with the rest of the themes.

I hope this is the right place for this, I didn't find anywhere else to post. [[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]] ([[User talk:Filiptronicek|talk]]) 09:46, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]]. Thanks for writing to us. Most likely, it's not within our area, but I'll help you if the problem still exists. Where do you see this? On Polish and English Wikipedias, I see "Čeština". [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:42, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi there @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], perhaps it may have something to do with Czech being suggested to me as a language? I don't have an alt account to test this with though.
::Screenshot of what I see on the English wikipedia: https://i.imgur.com/T40u7rN.png. It is some very interesting behavior. Thanks for looking into this. [[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]] ([[User talk:Filiptronicek|talk]]) 13:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

== Please take the interlanguage link (aka "green link") on Chinese Wikipedia into consideration! ==

The Chinese Wikipedia currently uses a green-colored link for interlanguage links in articles, and it seems to fail the WCAG AAA. These links can been seen at [[zh:Deadmau5]], for instance. These links are used a lot on Chinese Wikipedia, and I'm not sure if it is good for readers. If you want to evaluate link colors, please also take this green link into consideration, thank you. Looking forward to your professional advice! [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 11:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:I know these links are not part of Vector 2022, but they are part of the user experience, and currently there is a discussion at Chinese Wikipedia's Village Pump about the choice of color of them, so I posted my message here. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 11:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of content (ToC) ==

Hi! Since weeks ago I don't see the table of content in the sidebar like I used to do before. It just disappeared. It happens when I'm connected in my phone using desktop version. Best regards! '''''[[User talk:Miaow|Miaow]]''''' 12:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Miaow|Miaow]]. Thank you for reporting this problem. We're working on a better look of TOC on small screens. I also strongly suggest you selecting the [[Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions|advanced mobile contributions]] mode when you're using your phone. That mode is dedicated for mobile, in contrast to Desktop Improvements. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 10:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Better alignment for wide screens ==

[[File:Article with new vector.png|thumb|]]

Here's how the new design looks on my laptop with 2560x1600 resolution. Ok, I get it, you won't do anything about the max-width and you insist on using this path. But look, the parts highlighted with purple ellipses just look misaligned. It just begs for the following:
* Reduce the white background so that its right end matches the right end of the article OR insert something into that area. Having gray empty space is ok, but having both white and gray empty spaces look just silly.
* Reduce the header so that its right end matches the right end of the article OR extend the white background of the header so that it fills the whole width of the page (see e.g. how it's done on [https://stackexchange.com StackExchange] or [https://www.reddit.com Reddit].

Again, I get your rationale that having empty space is ok. But having a white empty space on top of the gray empty space... Don't you think it's a bit too much? [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 01:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: [https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/getting-started/ Material for MkDocs] is another example of what I consider a more successful implementation of reduced max-width. The main part has the same background (having same white background on the whole page would also look good on wiki) and the header part has background that extends beyond max-width. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 01:25, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::When we look to the prototype https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue%20whale?en (and https://vector-2022.web.app/Brown_bear), it's fill by "Tools", "In other projects", "Print, share, link" [[User:Koreller|Koreller]] ([[User talk:Koreller|talk]]) 08:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::: It looks somewhat nicer, but the white empty space is still there if you collapse sidebars or scroll a bit... Also seem to have different defaults for logged in and logged out users. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Launching New Version ==
:''Moved from [[Topic:Wxf5fv5pmxyyccdy]]''
When shall the new version ([[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing/Feedback|Fifth prototype]]) be launched? [[user: Stnts256|Stnts256]] ([[user talk:Stnts256|talk]]) 08:54, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: We hope to launch Vector 2022 as default by the end of July. You can use it already by [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|selecting this option in your preferences]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]] [[User:Stnts256|Stnts256]] ([[User talk:Stnts256|talk]]) 14:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keep watchlist in the sticky header ==

For an active Wikipedia editor, watchlist is likely the most popular destination when you're on some page. Would be great to keep the link there in the header, even after some scrolling. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Keeping alerts and notices would also be nice. And also for it to work on the talk pages... [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:26, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes, it bothers me that my control panel disappears. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 16:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Second that. The most-used buttons of the standard interface (watchlist, contribs, interwikis) should stay in place, accessible with one mouse click. With the proposed layout I have to press tab-tab-tab... and then ctrl-enter to get to the watchlist. Why so? I can't reliably use the proposed drop-down menu with mouse, it's a common age-related ailment. I'd highly recommend to retain at least some bits of usability-for-disabilities: no complex manipulations. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 09:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

== clear:both rendering on old browsers ==
{{Tracked|T309711}}

I have tried browsing the wiki on Internet Explorer 11 on the new skin for one last time before Microsoft disables it, and it worked well, except something I have noticed is that the CSS property <code>@media screen .mw-body-header::after { clear:both; }</code> causes the side bar to push down the content. When unticking <code>clear:both</code> in the page inspector or when the side bar is hidden, it appears as usual. While fixing it for IE11 won't be relevant anymore, earlier versions of other browsers might have this flaw too. Mentioning it just in case. [[User:Octobod|Octobod]] ([[User talk:Octobod|talk]]) 23:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the interwikis? ==

Is there a simple way to access interwikis, other than by going to wikidata? Also, having two quasi-interwikis for wikidata is quite confusing. Only the second one actually works, the first one defaults to wikidata's start page. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 09:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] - currently, the adding interwiki links is available from the sidebar: "Edit interlanguage links" in the tools section. In the future, we would like to add them into the language selector as well. We are currently working with our Language team on this - see [[phab:T290436|Add support for empty states to the current language selector]] in phabricator for more details. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 13:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:: {{ping|OVasileva (WMF)}}, I see. Curiously, "Edit interlanguage links" does not appear on the main page (at least in ru-wp). [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 13:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Suggestion: Round borders ==

I appreciate very much the efforts to make the design of Wikipedia less outdated, and imo this new design is amazing. To make it even better I would suggest you guys to put round borders in the boxes, so let's add border-radius:14px in these functions! This will make it cleaner and softer! [[User:Duke of Wikipädia|Duke of Wikipädia]] ([[User talk:Duke of Wikipädia|talk]]) 22:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Top margin in title ==

Just noticed the new version and it looks like the title's top margin was reduced. There is an awkward amount of bottom margin for the title compared to top margin and I personally prefer the previous margins. [[User:0xDeadbeef|0xDeadbeef]] ([[User talk:0xDeadbeef|talk]]) 06:55, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

== Very minor improvements ==

I just got the new toolbar this morning, and I absolutely love it! Finally Wikipedia does not look old anymore. But I would like you guys to add a little more than just a border for the active section in the toolbar, probably a lighter background for active tabs and a darker one for non active tabs.

For example, if I'm reading an article, the 'Read' tab in addition to the bottom border, it should be lighter. The 'Talk' tab should be lighter also if I'm in the talk section. This should work well with something like option 3 combined with option 9 (where the header and the title has grey background) in [https://di-visual-design-borders-bgs.web.app/Zebra this border and background demo here]. I like option 3 a lot so it would be good if you guys implemented it, haha.

I apologize if my English is not clear. [[User:Klrfl|Klrfl]] ([[User talk:Klrfl|talk]]) 12:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

== new table of contents ==

For pages with a long table of contents such as this one, the table of contents starts jumping to highlight the current heading. Would it be possible to consider smooth scrolling behaviour for the table of contents at the new location (as for example invoked by <code>.vector-toc-enabled .sidebar-toc { scroll-behavior: smooth; }</code>)? Or is there something like a frozen state or is/was/will be this rejected for another reason? --[[User:CamelCaseNick|CamelCaseNick]] ([[User talk:CamelCaseNick|talk]]) 23:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:Patafisik|Patafisik]] ([[User talk:Patafisik|talk]]) 10:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Sister project links ==
(From [https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente%3APatafisik_%28WMF%29&type=revision&diff=127968745&oldid=127933193 it.wikipedia])

{{ping|Friniate}} suggests to gather the Wikidata link and the Sister project links in the same place.--[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 09:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

== Impact ==

How does the team plan to assess/measure whether the Vector changes work towards their stated goals, so that we're able to correct course in case they don't? [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 00:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Great addition of ToC menu through icon wrt zoom !!! ==

I <s>have just</s> discovered a few days ago, in the french version of WP, as well as here in MediaWiki, the addition of a ToC menu, just before the title, that appears when the left column is NOT visible (at least effect of zooming), and '''this is a GREAT GREAT improvement, MANY-many thanks to the developpers'''.

There still remains a small bug that appeared with this change (at least I didn't notice it before) : the upper (collapsile) bar appears no more. It reappears back when zoom permits back the side left column (tested with an article page in fr.WP ; no appearance "here" while editing, or even while just reading. but I guess it's a different thing, maybe because this is a talk page : I get the same "behaviour" in a talk page from fr.WP : no appearance of the upper collapside bar even if a left colum ToC is present. Might not be a "bug", but a feature, though I would personnaly prefer a uniform behaviour).

Whatever, great thanks to the developers. 
  (Poke @[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] : thanks for relaying these improvements, and back, our comments. Best :-) ) 
  -- [[User:Eric.LEWIN|Eric.LEWIN]] ([[User talk:Eric.LEWIN|talk]]) 06:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Both the ToCs ==

(From the French Wikipedia [[:fr:Discussion_Projet:Am%C3%A9lioration_de_l%27interface_par_la_WMF#Sommaire_%C3%A0_gauche_:_ajouter_plut%C3%B4t_que_remplacer_?|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/24_mai_2022#Sommaire|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/26_mai_2022#Bug_du_sommaire|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/19_juin_2022#Tables_des_mati%C3%A8res|here]] and [[:fr:Wikipédia:Le_Bistro/25_juin_2022#Sommaire_dans_la_barre_de_gauche|here]])

I've already reported this to Szymon, but I think it will be important to have this suggestion also in this page, visible to all and open to comments.

Different users of the French Wikipedia consider the old ToC and the new one as two complementary tools, and they want both! Reasons: 1) for the context, the ToC should be on the top of the article. If we have the first part of the sidebar occupied by the wiki navigation menu, the ToC is too far on the bottom of the page, it appears on the top only when you scroll down 2) the layout of articles with illustrations is completely disrupted.

Both why?

"When I look at the beginning of an article, I expect to see a ToC with the main sections in order to understand how the article is structured (quite like in a Word document). This makes it easier to read.
The ToC on the left is then very useful when you scroll down the article and want to navigate between sections, but it is an additional feature. It should not replace the current summary, which is still useful.
Or it should be displayed from the start at the top left, when you are at the top of the article (quite like on Universalis)." (summarised by Pronoia [https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ALe_Bistro%2F26_mai_2022&type=revision&diff=194205255&oldid=194153014 here])--[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 11:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Интервики в правый блок ==

Сейчас правое поле статьи абсолютно пустое. Что мешает перенести туда интервики-ссылки, вместо их полного сворачивания, а также подходящие по смыслу к ним ссылки на братские проекты? Это позволит: 1) избежать совершенно ненужного сворачивания списка (бессмысленно его уменьшать, когда высвободилось столько места); 2) заполнить правое поле; 3) частично разгрузить левое поле, чтобы оглавление было лучше видно сразу на первой же странице текста (сейчас при текущих настройках экрана я во французской Википедии вижу в среднем две верхних строки оглавления). [[User:AndyVolykhov|AndyVolykhov]] ([[User talk:AndyVolykhov|talk]]) 12:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Languages in the new desktop interface ==

In the older interface I can select the interwikis that I need most and put them on top of the interwikis' list; same possibility should be in the newer interface. [[User:Leokand|Leokand]] ([[User talk:Leokand|talk]]) 15:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== minor issues ==

* The position at which the table of contents is sticky changes with the sticky header becoming visible/hidden. (<code>.vector-toc-enabled.vector-sticky-header-visible .sidebar-toc { margin-top: 1.5em }</code> vs. <code>.vector-toc-enabled .sidebar-toc { margin-top: 3.5em }</code>) With the sidebar navigation hidden, this makes the table of contents jump up by <code>2em</code> while scrolling.
* At a window width of exactly 1000px the table of contents on the left is displayed but styled like the drop-down table of contents and the drop-down button is still visible but has no influence on the table of contents.
* At 720px+ the logo is displayed, the username and potentially a language switcher. With my username on this wiki in German, the watchlist and the user menu are outside the viewport, so this threshold is chosen to narrow. Maybe a solution would be to move the username link to the user menu at 1000px and lower.
(For CSS rendering, I use Firefox v101.) -- [[User:CamelCaseNick|CamelCaseNick]] ([[User talk:CamelCaseNick|talk]]) 17:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Drop-down menues = poor accessibility ==

Repeating prior statements for clarity: May I speak on behalf of old folks with less-than-perfect control of palms and fingers. The replacement of simple "button" links (contribution, statistics, interwikis...) with drop-down menues becomes a huge inconvenience. In plain monobook, I can simply click on the interwiki, and hopefully get the desired tab at the first try. In vector-2022, I cannot reliably pull down the drop-down list and then select something with a mouse... it almost never works as intended. A very common age-related ailment, it just happens. The only robust workaround is to use the keyboard to "tab-tab-tab..." to the desired control box, and then "enter-tab-tab-...-enter" through the list. And, in case of interwikis, selecting the main (en:) wikipedia takes atrociously long time - instead of being #1 entry, as in old good monobook with my normal preference settings, it's somewhere down the middle of the list. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:46, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Irish language Wikipedia and Vector 2022 ==

[[File:Irish Wikipedia random article - Vector 2022.png|thumb|ga.wp random article screencap - Vector 2022]]
[[File:Irish Wikipedia random article - Vector old.png|thumb|ga.wp random article screencap - current Vector]]

Hi there. I'm [[w:ga:User:Alison]] - admin and bureaucrat on the Irish language Wikipedia. I'd be remiss in not providing feedback, I think, so here goes.

* I see other folks pointing out the massive amount of whitespace / padding in the left side navbar which is squeezing out the actual article text on the right. On our wiki, it really seems significant. IMO, article is all, and we seem to be sacrificing actual content real-estate for ... what, exactly? Yes, it looks 'less cluttered', but there's actually less content - especially for those of us who both browse ''and'' edit on laptop screens.

* On the top tab section (which is otherwise quite nice), you can see the ''Plé'' (Talk) and ''Léigh'' (Read) are scrunched together with no separation. I18n bug, maybe?

* The main image and title have lost their localization and now show "Wikipedia" instead of "Vicipéid" - this could just be an image localization / config issue. Could someone point me in the right direction, maybe? I did the original, later-font localization for our wiki, some years back, so happy to dip in and fix :)

Le gach dea-ghuí (best regards),

-- Allie [[User:Alison|'''Alison''']] [[User talk:Alison|❤]] 16:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

:multilingual Wikipedians: during redesigh include current non-english desighs for evaluation, including spanish, french and german. They have good ideas and bad ideas... [[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 01:10, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
: The "PléLéigh" issue looks like it's [[phab:T309223|T309223]], a known issue. Until it is fixed in MediaWiki, try updating your browser(s) – the issue occurs if your browser doesn't support a certain relatively new feature. [[User:Rummskartoffel|Rummskartoffel]] ([[User talk:Rummskartoffel|talk]]) 21:59, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hey there! Regarding logos https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T244486 is what you are looking for - basically every logo needs to be recreated. You can request one on that ticket to be prioritized higher or find information about creating new ones.
::Regarding sidebar whitespace I am not sure I understand. The extra padding is for the table of contents underneath the sidebar. You say it's squeezing article text on the right but in your screenshots the Vector 2022 screenshot shows more of the article text. I can see the description section heading for example.
::I can confirm the PléLéigh issue is a bug and will hopefully be fixed soon.
::Hope this is helpful. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 01:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== TOC-Feedback ==

I just recognized what disturbs me the most with the new TOC. I wasn't able to access the TOC without scrolling or clicking when using a community-Page. The main thing: '''It's mixing system and content'''. The TOC is for the content, but appearing on a place of "system". The "frame" is the Media-Wikisystem: accessing Community-Pages, Help, recent changes, user-page etc. Inside the "frame" is the content (the "article", the "book"...). Although it's kind of logical to have the TOC sticky on the side there are so many problems with it:
# the TOC can't be manipulated by magic words, which is a pretty well used functionality.
# the TOC can't be placed to the right, which is pretty often used in german wikibooks.
# the TOC is in competition with the other menus.
# the TOC is now at a place where normally links to other pages are placed.
The same fear of mixing system and content goes with switching the Header and the "Editing-Tabs" (Compare https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale: '''Blue Whale''' first, ''read/edit'' second). BTW the TOC works at this demo-page because the Main Menu is so short. But since this is not fixed (which is a good thing!), the Main Menu might be longer. A good illustration of the problem is visible just the paragraph above this: [[#Irish language Wikipedia and Vector 2022]]. The TOC in the Vector22-Example is completely missing!

So, just as an Idea: '''divide system and content''' - say system top&left (as it's always been) and content bottom&right. the TOC could be placed "always right" next to the text. At least please let the editor choose what to do with the TOC. I mean, wouldn't it be so bad if it's within the Content '''and''' at the side?

I'm fine with the new skin and all the work that has been put in, but the TOC is becoming unusable for me like it is right now. If it's really becoming permanent, it will probably result in "self-made-TOCs" which will break pretty often, because of the "wiki"-system. [[User:HirnSpuk|HirnSpuk]] ([[User talk:HirnSpuk|talk]]) 17:37, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== The new design is everything I feared ==

Jumpable, irritatingly movable buttons? Check. Sticky UI that eats up immense space both at the top (header) and to the left (table of contents)? Check. Tiny narrow line of text in the middle? Check. Buttons not looking like buttons, thus confusing me as to what I may click? Check. The language menu made objectively worse, with more clicks necessary to use than before? Check. Every single change is atrocious, negative, and honestly makes me feel depressed - I will either try to scour Reddit for browser extensions to remove as much of it as possible (no, logged in user things are useless to me as I'm never logged in), or I will leave Wikipedia for good (mental health is more important than knowledge).

Just look at this useless eyesore of a sticky table of contents ([https://i.postimg.cc/bz2zZM2C/2022-06-22-Wikipedia-English-51-UI-bug.png screenshot on postimage] - I hope, you aren't getting the ads, I'm getting none). Even aesthetics-wise, it's botched - the bottom is smudged, the top cut-off. And it's not even at the edge of the screen! It's an exercise in ugliness.

And just saying it here, this Wikimedia redesign is already making it unintuitive for me to write. When I tried to insert the link, I couldn't even see the [https://i.postimg.cc/qBp0ZvDS/2022-06-22-Wikipedia-English-53-UI-bug.png ''upload'' button] - because it's on the edge of the sub-menu (like on phones), not somewhere sensible, like on computers (again, compare how it is on current Wikipedia - a [https://postimg.cc/TpMNbPHg large nice menu with clear buttons at the bottom], computer design). [[User:Adûnâi|Adûnâi]] ([[User talk:Adûnâi|talk]]) 18:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== wordmark no longer appears after upgrading to MediaWiki 1.38.1, style bugs ==

After upgrading to MediaWiki 1.38.1 from 1.36.1, the wordmark no longer appears next to the icon in the upper left. If the window is wide enough, the 150px space for the wordmark is reserved but is empty. When you make the window wider past a certain width, the coloring behind the sidebar also vanishes. This happens with Vector 2010 in both legacy and non-legacy mode and in Vector 2022. The wordmark image is an svg that has not moved and still has correct permissions [[User:Queernix1028|Queernix1028]] ([[User talk:Queernix1028|talk]]) 19:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

:What is the value of wgLogos in your LocalSettings.php? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 14:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
$wgLogos = [
'icon' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/logo.svg",
'1x' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/logo.png",
'wordmark' => [
'src' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/wordmark.png",
'1x' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/wordmark.svg",
'width' => 150,
],
];
::It previously worked with wordmark src set to the svg file, but now neither that configuration nor the one above work. [[User:Queernix1028|Queernix1028]] ([[User talk:Queernix1028|talk]]) 14:32, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:I believe you need to set a height on the wordmark. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 00:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== Menus — https://di-visual-design-menus.web.app/Brown_bear. ==

*left side menu persistency is screen wasteful, bad idea
** use a tab like google maps?
*left side menu: should be hamburger only
**as an option for experienced, registered users
**need style sheet that puts ''left side column'' '''at bottom of page''' as a footer
*language list:
**should include native and english names
**include a user-customizable shortlist
*[[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 00:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

== Language links on Wikidata are right at the bottom of the page ==

I've enabled the new theme (Vector 2022) globally on all wikis. I generally like the new interface. However when I am on wikidata, previously the interlanguage links were on the right. (Where an infobox usually goes on a wikipedia page) Now they are right at the bottom of the page! Some wikidata pages are massive, and having to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the screen to do the thing I do most frequently on wikidata (add new language links) is a real pain. Please can you move the language links on wikidata back to the top (top right) of the page? - [[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]] ([[User talk:Rooiratel|talk]]) 14:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]]. Thanks for your opinion. Are you talking about the desktop view? What's the resolution of your screen? I've tried to narrow my window down and change its width, and it seems that the width thresholds when the interwiki links go from the bottom to the right are the same. Is there any setting you use that may make your experience different? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi {{ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} this is for the desktop view. I am seeing this behaviour on my 1080p laptop screen and my 1440p desktop screen. I haven't used the mobile view, so can't comment on that. - [[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]] ([[User talk:Rooiratel|talk]]) 06:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Infobox element alignment is mangled in mobile view ==

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but when I click on "Mobile view" with Vector 2022, many of the infobox elements are misaligned. Many elements that should be centered are left-aligned, and many elements that should be left-aligned are centered. At least that's what it looks like for me in Chrome for Mac OS at [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic&useskin=vector-2022 this page]. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 02:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:Wow, that looks odd. Thanks @[[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] for reporting this. Right now, I only have one question - why do you use the mobile view and Vector 2022 mixed together? Minerva is dedicated for mobile, and Vector 2022 is dedicated for desktop. Having these two at the same time is bold and original :) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::I was just doing some very beginner-level QA testing. Editors do all sorts of ridiculous things, so I try to do some QA testing by doing ridiculous things. If you want editors to use Vector 2022 for desktop-only and Minerva for mobile-only, then make the "Mobile view"/"Desktop view" link at the bottom of the screen switch between the skins. Meanwhile, I'll be over here in legacy Vector where I can fill my browser window with content.... [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:15, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Using the mobile domain with the Vector skin invokes a special mode with lots of odd behaviour. It's not part of this project but will hopefully get fixed some day. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:30, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== "Related articles" appear to be missing ==

I do not see the "Related articles" section at the bottom of the mobile view. I don't really care, but since the "Principles" section of this page says "We do not remove any functionality", I thought I'd mention it. It makes me wonder what other functionality has been removed, and whether this principle is really being followed in a systematic way. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 03:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

RelatedArticles appears to be working fine to me. I see it on Minerva. What do you mean by "at the bottom of mobile view"? The scope of this project is the desktop site so no changes to the mobile domain have been made.

RelatedArticles does not show on the skins of certain websites and has not shown on Vector or Vector 2022 unless the community has explicitly requested. See [[phab:T144812]], [[phab:T181242]] and [[phab:T278611]] for example. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 14:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
:I think this is my mistake. I was comparing [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic this] (default mobile view on en.WP) with [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic&useskin=vector-2022 this] (Vector 2022 mobile view) and assuming that the default mobile view used some version of the Vector skin, but I think that is not correct. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah okay. This mode is only accessible by a special URL and is not being worked on as part of this project. Thanks for taking the time to explain! [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== 非常に見にくい ==

日本語で失礼します。本日ごろから日本語版ウィキペディアのスキンに変更があったようですが、
# 文字の大きさをブラウザ側から変更できない(Safari使用)。
# そもそも標準の文字サイズが大きすぎる。
# 目次が項目名の横に位置が変わったせいでアクセスが煩雑になった。
# Infoボックスが大きすぎる
などの変更のせいで、余計見づらくなったような気がします。可能であれば改善するか、もしくは変更前のスキンに戻して欲しいです。 [[User:イカしたイカ|イカしたイカ]] ([[User talk:イカしたイカ|talk]]) 08:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Please evaluate CJK characters' font size in Vector 2022 ==
{{tracked|T311469}}
For your infomation, the Chinese Wikipedia already has a [[zh:MediaWiki:Gadget-large-font.css|gadget]] that increases the font size for a better Chinese reading experience. Japanese and classical Chinese Wikipedia also have such kinds of gadgets. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 08:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

:It would be nice if we could integrate these gadgets into new Vector skin directly. This would benefit other CJK and multilingual wikis. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 08:20, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]]! @[[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] FYI :) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I think we should create a phabricator ticket for this one. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback regarding Vector (2022) TOC ==

I've had Vector (2022) enabled for a while, and generally like it. However:

* I don't feel the new way of handling the TOC and side menu is user friendly. It took me a while to notice I could hide the side menu only to raise the TOC up the page, as I assumed it would also hide the TOC since the two are part of the same sidebar. With the side menu visible, I had to scroll much further down than usual to find the TOC on many articles with short lead sections, which undermined the convenience previously provided by the TOC as a way to skip scrolling and quickly navigate to a desired section.
** It also doesn't help that the [[w:Template_talk:Skip_to_talk#Broken_functionality_with_new_version_of_vector_theme|new TOC breaks the functionality of]] {{tl|Skip to talk}}, widely used on talk pages on Wikipedia, but I now understand that the change is intended to make that template unnecessary.
** The prototype [https://di-visual-design-menus.web.app/Brown_bear linked by others above] deals with some of these issues but is still a bit confusing. It's not clear that clicking "hide" on the TOC should result in a menu appearing by the article title rather than just collapsing it like collapsible lists which use the same "[hide]" links; while this behaviour can be learned, it's not clear why the hidden TOC menu button doesn't persist between the search icon and article title when scrolling down, which is what I expected after seeing it collapse to a button beside the article title.

* The new sidebar is wider to accommodate the TOC, but much of that space is blank so I'm not sure it needs to be quite so wide, particularly as the added width can cause issues such as galleries by default having less space for images per row. I understand the motivation is to limit the characters of text per line, but doing so by padding the sidebar with empty space seems like an unhelpful way to achieve that. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 16:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the watch/unwatch buttons? ==
Alright, if the article is long enough to be scrolled, I should scroll it down, the top row of icons will jerk left-right, and the "watchlist" icon will become the "watch/unwatch" toggle. Hopelessly inconvenient, counterintuitive, but it works. But what if the article is so short that it won't scroll at all? [https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D0%A6%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8&oldid=123611287 example] Seems like "preferences/watchlist/edit raw watchlist" is the only go-around, is it not? [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 12:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]]: There's a smaller star-shaped watch/unwatch toggle to the right of the "View history"/"История" link. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 14:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:: Thanks, that was most unexpected. I'd rather prefer old good text links. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 15:59, 27 June 2022 (UTC) The new star looks almost exactly like the existing GA star, just a different shade of grey (but in almost the same corner location as in standard monobook). [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 16:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:"Thanks, that was most unexpected. I'd rather prefer old good text links" - you're a Monobook user, am I right? This may be a good reason why it's most unexpected for you. Vector 2022 is based on Vector legacy (2010), and the star icon has been there for 12 years. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 01:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Merge notification block in the header: notifications and alerts ==
{{Tracked|T142981}}
For me, it has always been a strange decision that notifications were divided into two unrelated blocks and icons with incomprehensible categorization. I forgot about it, but now I'm paying attention again.

Given that we removed the text from all menus, there are now a lot of icons at the top that do not understand what they do. Different blocks of notifications do not help this at all. Maybe it's time to put them in one menu and break it there already? Filters, tabs, whatever :) But at least you won't get confused in the icons.

I personally still (6 years!) do not know what their fundamental difference is. I asked my friends and they don't know either. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 17:29, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{Strong oppose}}. The notices are the notifications that are not very important/urgent, unlike the alerts. Merging them would make me unable to found out at a glance if I have any important/urgent notification, and would also overload the notification box, as I receive many notifications. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 22:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:: It seems to me that it is possible to do this with filters and colored marker icons. Or a separate setting for users who really need it. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 09:47, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{Comment}}. I agree that the distinction could be clearer, but don't necessarily agree that there should be only one button. Presently, when both are empty the only difference between them is the header text and icon. Both share the exact same two buttons, which link to the same destinations. The text in the box doesn't even distinguish, reading "There are no notifications" instead of "There are no alerts". There isn't even a "help" or "about" link unique to each of them to explain the difference or what gets sent where. If you follow the links to the special page or preferences, it's still not clear which notifications are sent where.

:Based on the names, I would've assumed the difference would be that alerts are specifically for subscriptions to [[Wikipedia:Article alerts|article alerts]], whereas notifications would be for everything else. It makes sense to split them, since alerts would be activity that's less personal to the receiver. "Alerts" would be like a daily newspaper, but "notifications" are more like personal mail. Except this isn't how the system actually functions; messages to the receiver's talk page are placed under "Alerts" rather "Notices", for example.

:I understand that it may be helpful to filter urgent notifications from less urgent ones, but what counts as urgent or important? Shouldn't that be decided by the user's preferences? It would make more sense to have something like tabs, as Iniquity suggested, to filter types of notifications; this would let that user decide what is important. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 22:33, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of contents: Bold format for active section ==

I really appreciate the new skin and layout. In the beta, the active/current section of the article was formatted bold in the table of contents on the left side. But in the live version, it's regular and black. I find it really, really hard to differentiate between the normal blue titles and the active title, because the only difference is the black vs. blue color. Could you please make the active titles bold again?
Thank you! [[User:Lhennen|Lhennen]] ([[User talk:Lhennen|talk]]) 21:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:+1 Bold and black would be best imo. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lhennen|Lhennen]], @[[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] - thank you for your feedback! Not sure if you've seen, but we are currently in the middle of testing some [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing|prototypes]] related to this question. You're welcome to give us more detailed feedback on the prototype page. One of the things we're testing on these is the way links should appear within the table of contents (see https://di-visual-design-toc-active.web.app/Otter) for an example. Currently, our feedback is showing us that people are leaning towards option 2: bold and black so we will most likely be continuing with that option and making the titles bold. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

== Jawiki has NOT reached consensus on implementing Vector 2022 yet ==

Jawiki has '''NOT''' reached consensus on implementing Vector 2022 yet. Why was it implemented without our consent? [[User:AppleRingo777|AppleRingo777]] ([[User talk:AppleRingo777|talk]]) 22:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:AppleRingo777|AppleRingo777]] - we apologize for the confusion that the deployment process has caused and the lack of clarity from our side. We are currently working on reading back through our previous communications and clarifying the process and what happened with individual members of the community. We will to get back to the community with more detailed thoughts and a process for next steps by tomorrow July 1st. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 12:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] ==

Hello! I asked a question at the meeting, but I would like to duplicate it here. Will it be possible to control the location of blocks (right or left) through [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]? [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 15:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keep the TOC under the main menu as long as possible (Vector 2022) ==

When the window gets narrower the TOC is moved into a "Hamburger button". But the main menu stays where it is until the window get's quite a bit more narrower. I think as long as the main menu fits, the TOC should stay at its original place. Especially since the TOC behind the "Hamburger button" is quite easy to miss. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== "Move" is the only in the "More" drop down menu (Vector 2022) ==

I think it's quite odd that the "More" drop down menu most of the time contains only "move". Is it on purpose to make it harder to find for the average user? [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
* {{ping|L.xschlag}}, I have two items - the other is an add-on via preferences/gadgets. Unfortunately, I cannot use drop-down menues easily, so getting there in V-2022 is quite a nuisance. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Actions menu overflows when main menu is active (Vector 2022) ==

When the main menu is active (meaning visible) and the window is quite narrow the actions menu (Read, Edit source, Add topic, View history) doesn't get condensed in the "More" drop down menu, resulting in a very ugly overflow. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:41, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== Audio player issues (Vector 2022) ==

When pressing play from a wikipedia article (e.g. first clip in [[:w:en:Aftermath_(Rolling_Stones_album)]]), the page changes text colour from black to pale grey. Almost unreadable. This dead time varies from a few seconds to many minutes, probably caused by unsteady connection on my side. I tried opening 2-3-4... windows with the same article, and some windows seem to be stuck indefinitely while others play with minimal (but still annoying) delay. If I press play directly from file description page ( [[:w:en:File:Under_My_Thumb.ogg]]), it always plays instantly and the text always stays black. Win 10 Home / Chrome 102.0.5005.115 (64-bit) [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 19:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Language mix in the interface ==

Pardon me if this had already been discussed here. It seems that the language of the interface (as set in preferences) mixes up with local-language elements where it shouldn't.
# My preferences are always "interface=en", and thus I always see "Contents Beginning" in the TOC section - be it Chinese, Russian or Spanish wiki.
# The pink box above TOC in ru-wiki says "On this Википедия[sic!] the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Go to top." In zh-wiki, however, the message is correctly "On this Wikipedia the language links ..." [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the categories? ==
Hi this is my first time looking at the prototype, so apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere - where are the categories? [[User:MassiveEartha|MassiveEartha]] ([[User talk:MassiveEartha|talk]]) 04:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== 開発者集団は日本語版を軽視していると思われるThe group of developers seems to downplay the Japanese version ==

日本語版の利用者の一人としては、開発者の集団は日本語版を軽視していると考える。一つの証拠として開発者からの意見を求めるメッセージが英語だけで書かれていたことを挙げておく。機械翻訳があるのだから英語と共に日本語を添えることは簡単なことのはずである。それすらせずにVectorからVector2022への変更を強行したことは、一種の文化帝国主義であると評さざるを得ない。As one of the users of the Japanese version, I think that the group of developers disregards the Japanese version. One proof is that the message for the developer's opinion was written in English only. Since there is machine translation, it should be easy to add Japanese along with English. It must be said that forcing the change from Vector to Vector 2022 without doing so is a kind of cultural imperialism.--[[Special:Contributions/27.85.205.84|27.85.205.84]] 07:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== Vector 2022を強要する行為は、開発者が読者を軽視していることの証拠である The act of forcing Vector 2022 is evidence that developers are downplaying their readers. ==

開発者（の集団）はアカウントユーザーなら自分で好きなスキンを使えるのだから、あまり出来がよいとは言えないVector 2022を強要してっもかまわないと考えているようである。しかし、元々Vector 2022は読者として快適に使えることを考慮していない。開発者（の集団）は読者がいなければいくら記事を作っても意味がないということを忘れているのだろうか。It seems that developers (a group of people) are willing to force Vector 2022, which is not very good, because account users can use their favorite skins. However, originally Vector 2022 did not consider it to be comfortable to use as a reader. Do developers (groups) forget that it doesn't make sense to write an article without a reader?--[[Special:Contributions/27.85.205.84|27.85.205.84]] 07:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== Listed coordinates overlapping with header weirdly ==

for an example of this, see wp's [[:en:London|london]] article ([https://imgur.com/a/rEngM3R screenshot]) [[User:LarstonMarston|LarstonMarston]] ([[User talk:LarstonMarston|talk]]) 20:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

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== Where is the TOC? ==
People here are complaining about it. I don't even get one! [[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]] ([[User talk:Betaneptune|talk]]) 17:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]]. Do you still have this problem? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi ! I have the same problem on the French version of Wikipedia. The TOC just disappeared. The problem appears in Firefox desktop (last version 101.0.1), even in "troubleshoot" mode with all my add-ons deactivated. However, the problem does not appear in Chrome. This is extremely confusing. I reported it on some discussion page on the french version of WP, but I also mention it here, as I'm not sure at all where to report the problem for it to be taken into account. [[Special:Contributions/85.169.195.108|85.169.195.108]] 17:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
: The TOC is now on the left side, but after other menu lists. It should probably come first. But to keep things accessible, the (hidden) "jump to main menu" link should be kept as first element of course. [[User:Psychoslave|Psychoslave]] ([[User talk:Psychoslave|talk]]) 15:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
::Agreed. The TOC ''really'' should come first. The {{mono|#mw-navigation}} menu (which currently appears first) is comprised of mostly ancillary links unrelated to the page's content, many of which are rarely used (e.g., ''"Download as PDF"'', ''"Create a book"'', ''"Permanent link"'', etc). [[User:OmenBreeze|OmenBreeze]] ([[User talk:OmenBreeze|talk]]) 00:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Too narrow (again) ==

Why waste all that space? I have a nice wide screen so I want to take advantage of it. Those who want to have it narrow can just reduce their window sizes? Overall, not a great look. Not exciting. Quite boring.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] ([[User talk:Xania|talk]]) 11:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Xania|Xania]], you can read about our [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Limiting_content_width#Goals_and_motivation|goals and motivation]] for limiting the width. Also, we are working on a solution to use the empty space. Could you take a look at [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing/it|our fourth prototype]] and write more on what you think about arranging the space as it is presented there? Thank you in advance! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 14:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Oh my dear God, why don't you give an option to unrestrict the width?? It's beyond ridiculous how absolutely tiny is the page content on my monitor horizontally! I have to scroll all the time to read! Don't ruin Wikipedia the same way Fandom was ruined! [[Special:Contributions/90.188.46.13|90.188.46.13]] 04:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::We have given this option. This can be done with the [[:en:User:Jdlrobson/vector-max-width-toggle.js|gadget one of our engineers made]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 03:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks, but maybe we should have an easy plug-in system for ordinary users or, at least, the instructions how to apply it and a place where to find those customisations. By default it is really narrow to read and it feels like a news site rather than an encyclopedia article. [[User:Krnl0138|Krnl0138]] ([[User talk:Krnl0138|talk]]) 09:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::I agree, the toggle option should be there by default! By the way, that script does not work well currently, so I [[:en:User:Arthurfragoso/vector-max-width-toggle.js|updated it here]]. — [[User:Arthurfragoso|Arthurfragoso]] ([[User talk:Arthurfragoso|talk]]) 13:28, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::I don't understand why you are still pushing on us that bad design choice. It still is time to pull the plug and start to work on a plain page design. You are convincing no one here. Please, please, really, please stop this nonsense. Forcing bad choices on your users because you are the only product on the market is never a good thing.
::Since it has been forced without asking anyone on the French Wikipedia I had to register just to come back to the normal and good design. That's something, as a simple reader, I should never have had to do in the first place.
::So one last time, please come back to reason and stop hurting your user base foolishly. [[User:DerpFox|DerpFox]] ([[User talk:DerpFox|talk]]) 21:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Hello @[[User:DerpFox|DerpFox]], thanks for your comment. Have you maybe followed the links I've shared in my answer to Xania? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 03:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::The lines in the fourth prototype seem to be slightly wider to me on 1080p display than in the current version of 2022 vector design, but those empty strips on the sides, each of which are almost the size of the old navigation mv-panel, constantly remind about the space wasted.
::If the only reason of this thinning is the recommended line lengths in symbols and you want to keep it for any price, I would suggest using a dynamic font size, so, for example, starting from some resolution the symbols just grow larger. This might also reduce the eye strain connected to focusing on the small text.
::[[User:Kageneko|Kageneko]] ([[User talk:Kageneko|talk]]) 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
::I had a browse over the reasons for the change, but I still don't like or agree with the main justification more or less boiling down to "everyone else is doing it so we should too". Even in the linked examples, the page still feels a lot more "full" despite having a dedicated deadspace on the site, due to the way the page has been very carefully designed in a mixture of different kinds of block contents (images, text interactive eliments, etc).
::Accepted Webpage standards used to be against having blank, unused and waisted deadspace, but at some point in the last 10 years there seems to have been a weird shift to the opposite where deadspace is all the rage, though it's not one I've personally ever liked or agreed with.
::While I'm sure there are good uses of limiting page width, I'm not sure if Wikipedia, being a site that is mainly made up of text would really benefit from it as it's likely just going to squash pages and increase the amount of vertical scrolling required to navigate. [[User:Dave247|Dave247]] ([[User talk:Dave247|talk]]) 07:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah it's too narrow otherwise. the look is very nice, it's not boring as you tell. [[User:Crater bug|Crater bug]] ([[User talk:Crater bug|talk]]) 15:28, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
:I totally agree! I dislike the vector skin because how small it is. [[User:OverAWallOfMetaKnight|OverAWallOfMetaKnight]] ([[User talk:OverAWallOfMetaKnight|talk]]) 15:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:Agreed. I use a 3440x1440 screen (usually with a tiled layout), and this new layout forces all the content to occupy a comically narrow strip, instead of allowing me to choose the width myself. [[User:Emptyflask|Emptyflask]] ([[User talk:Emptyflask|talk]]) 13:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
:I agree, there is simply too much space wasted that could be used for more article space and a button specifically for those who want to edit wikipedia [[User:Techny3000|Techny3000]] ([[User talk:Techny3000|talk]]) 02:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
:hard to read I'm glad I stayed the same as before No changes required [[Special:Contributions/240B:11:E7E0:5E00:6005:3399:E6C:2B48|240B:11:E7E0:5E00:6005:3399:E6C:2B48]] 14:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

After reviewing the posted defense of the narrowing and the feedback listed here, this feature belongs entirely as an optional setting. It most certainly should not be the website's default. [[User:RightQuark|RightQuark]] ([[User talk:RightQuark|talk]]) 01:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:The defence of the narrowing seems to have little real-world bonuses. It may be theoretically good but makes it bad to read because Wikipedia articles can be long [[User:Torqueing|Torqueing]] ([[User talk:Torqueing|talk]]) 17:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm fine with the text being narrow but the ui and nav bar should be full width. --[[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]] ([[User talk:Thedonquixotic|talk]]) 00:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]], what do you mean by the ui and nav bar? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
::Not sure what is unclear here. I mean the navbar. As in the bar up at the top of the page with use account, search etc. [[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]] ([[User talk:Thedonquixotic|talk]]) 19:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I also have a wide screen monitor. I do not like this forced width shrinkage in the Vector 2022 skin. [[User:OhanaUnited|OhanaUnited]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|Talk page]] 17:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

In current form without a toggle for width this layout is unacceptable on large monitors. Even my old 14'' monitor. For now I am reverting to avoid having in forced horizontal white-space. [[User:Phatom87|phatom87]] ([[User talk:Phatom87|talk]]) 14:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

:Absolutely unacceptable, too narrow, an unjustified waste of space. [[User:Loupeter|Loupeter]] ([[User talk:Loupeter|talk]]) 10:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:It sounds like the fixed-max-width (assuming one's window is wide enough, and regardless of how much wider it might be) is a compromise between the needs of two different types of reading activities. I have both habits (skim vs detail-read), and felt especially the concern that the text doesn't obey what *I* do with my window. A reason I might widen my window is exactly because I want wider content. A comprimse necessarily isn't ideal for either one side. A better solution is to make it easy and discoverable how to get the *best* feel for whatever one is trying to do, rather than forcing so many to have a sub-par experience. A third-party gadget isn't discoverable and is surely more fragile than a first-class toggle feature of the skin itself. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 15:16, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keyboard shortcut does not focus search field in sticky header ==
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When pressing the keyboard shortcut for search (alt + shift + f) the search field at the top of the page is focused, even if the sticky header is showing. It would be better if the search field in the sticky header was focused. As it is now the page will scroll to the top which is unnecessary. [[User:Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)|Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)]] ([[User talk:Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)|talk]]) 16:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

== Page-title and Search ==

In a nutshell, I believe
* the Search would benefit from being (a) more consistently placed, and (b) more accessible from the sticky header by having a larger click-target.
** See image at [[:File:Vector-sticky-header-version1-search-size.png]] (and more [[#Search_box_size_and_location|details above]])
* the Page-title is already visible in multiple locations, and ''might'' not need this additional instance? AFAIK only users with "Fullscreen - F11" enabled would hide the existing locations where it is already displayed, whilst scrolled.
** See image at [[:File:Page_title_repetition_and_cutoff.png]]
Hope that helps! –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 20:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback regarding the new language switcher ==

Hello, I am a French person using Wikipedia in both French and English. I usually decide the language of the article depending on the topic. If it's related to France, I know the French version is going to be better. If it's a general topic, I usually select English.

However, it's been a few months that the language picker has been moved to the top of the screen when an article is display in French. And I really can't get used to it. Sure, it's easy to discover - but it's more complicated to use. Having to click twice is a regression for anyone switching language frequently. An action that used to require half a second now takes 2 seconds. If you do this about ten times every time you browse Wikipedia, it does become irritating...

I hope this feature is not shipped to other languages, and France gets the sidebar back. If you want to make this feature more discoverable, maybe you could add a shortcut but keep the sidebar. Or display a tooltip once in a while to educate newcomers. But please, keep "heavy users" of language switching in consideration. Thanks {{unsigned|77.148.113.166|19:54, 25 January 2022}}
: I'd state this as 'what used to take me a second (finding the right language) now takes 10': Open language switcher, often don't see the language I want, have to search? want to see which languages have a version, have to scroll; don't have a quick way to default present all languages by-alpha. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 16:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
: I have to agree with this as another French person frequently switching languages on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. I should add, in addition to the intrinsic usability of the interface (I do agree it's a slight regression for my usage), the fact that most language editions still use the old interface (and most other sites using mediawiki, and the latter is likely to remain the case for a long time) means you don't actually get the opportunity to unlearn it. So every time I want to switch languages from a French page, I will first scroll down to the old location and waste 1s parsing the sidebar and wondering where the links are. I check out other languages almost every time I read any article and those milliseconds of irritation do add up. Anyway, I strongly think that “don't fix what ain't broke” should apply here! [[Special:Contributions/37.183.2.114|37.183.2.114]] 12:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

: +1 to [[User:Sj|Sj]]. --[[User:ThurnerRupert|ThurnerRupert]] ([[User talk:ThurnerRupert|talk]]) 18:58, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Often I use the language switcher not to navigate to the article on different language, but just to look up how that article is titled in a different language. In other words, using Wikipedia's inter-language links as a sort of dictionary. By hovering over the list of languages I can gather multiple titles, see their similarity between languages. With the New Look, language switcher became less accessible, though gathering titles by hovering still works there.
Also this new dropdown-based language switcher seems either to require tricky CSS features or JavaScript. Will it make problems for simplistic browsers like w3m? [[User:Vi2|_Vi]] ([[User talk:Vi2|talk]]) 17:48, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I find the language switcher the worst of both worlds of the two variants in the old interface. It can be annoying to scroll through 200+ languages in an idiosyncratic ordering (for example, كوردی [Kurdi in Perso-Arabic script] is filed under S for Sorani), but at least I can see them all and preview the name of the article in various target languages. With the drop-down menu in the old interface, I get the languages grouped geographically, and I can also search for a specific language, with the system recognizing many name variations. The new interface gives me a drop down menu with all 200+ languages in the same idiosyncratic order, with no geographic grouping and no ability to search for a specific language. [[User:LincMad|LincMad]] ([[User talk:LincMad|talk]]) 22:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I am primarily an active user on the Japanese Wikipedia (now defaulted to vector2022) and I agree with you completely.
Why doesn't this use the blank spaces on the left and right? No need to hide buttons and functions everywhere just to make the page look hollow. As for the other features, there are so many problems with the new Vector. I definitely want the old version to remain. I will continue to use it and not the new one. --[[User:Sugarman|Sugarman]] ([[User talk:Sugarman|talk]]) 07:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on ToC functionality ==

Hello,

I’m not sure how far you are in the development of the new table of content functionality, but I was looking at [https://en-toc.wmcloud.org/wiki/Moon this prototype] and noticed a potential problem. Here the ToC is on the side and that’s a good thing, but the ToC in the text have also been deleted and that’s not much a good thing. When there is a big infobox, the in-text ToC compensate partly or totally for it, hence the page arrangement take it into consideration for the position of the images. Now if you delete it, all the text will go up, along with the images, but the images can’t always follow, because the infobox, so the right-aligned images are going to pile under it, while the left-aligned will reduce the text to a very small column between them and the infobox. On fr:wp, infoboxes are very widely used, so deleting the in-text ToC is going to break the page layout of most articles (and rather probably upset the community). So I’d suggest that, whatever you do with the ToC, to not delete the in-text ToC until there is also a functionality to move the infobox outside the text too (that would be great by the way, as infoboxes always cause difficulties with page layout). --[[User:Runi Gerardsen|Runi Gerardsen]] ([[User talk:Runi Gerardsen|talk]]) 09:30, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:I would like to add myself as having this same concern about images. At present, image placement in many articles was determined by this factor of the TOC being inline, sometimes offsetting the issues of long infoboxes and allowing the first image in the first section to be right-justified (like anyone with any experience in professional publishing, I ''really'' hate left-justified lead images as they break up the flow of the text by interposing themselves between heds and text. Similarly, I try to maintain alternation in the justification of images since that mirrors the sweep of our vision and makes text with images easier to read (but of course you don't do this when it creates other layout issues).''When'' this is deployed, a lot of articles are going to suddenly have image placement issues at the top that didn't previously. And this will probably make a lot of people ''very angry''.I can see the need for the sticky TOC but I think it would still be better as something that could be toggled there from its current position while reading depending on how the user prefers it in an individual article. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 05:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
::What if we kept both the inline/in-text ToC ''and'' the sticky/sidebar ToC, but only display the latter when the user's scrolled past the former? A user preference could be added that forces the latter to always (or never) be displayed. I agree that the situation with images is a <abbr title="Pain In The Frigging Arse">PITFA</abbr>, but I really don't want to give up the sticky ToC either… [[User:OmenBreeze|OmenBreeze]] ([[User talk:OmenBreeze|talk]]) 00:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but until I manually switched back to "Vector legacy (2010)", then again to "Vector (2022)", ToC section was absent completely (neither new-style nor old-style). Also maybe, like with the language switcher, there should be [temporary] notice about ToC having moved to the left where it was previously? [[User:Vi2|_Vi]] ([[User talk:Vi2|talk]]) 17:57, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on new language switcher in French ==
As a translator, I litteraly jump from one language to another every hour of every day. It is simply unbearable to now have to go to a sub-menu to switch from French to English or Italian. That added click translates (pun intended) into lost time and nerves on a daily basis.

I'm not hostile to a more smartphone-friendly interface, and maybe that kind of switcher is perfect on a little screen. But it's not okay to make the overall experience so much unsteady (especially with the links being there for some languages and moved away for other ones) when

# switching seamlessly from one language to another is precisely the one advantage Wikipedia has over any other encyclopedia and
# my 32" monitor has plenty of space to display these links in the left column.

Last year I had selected the old Vector theme for this very reason and this morning, I was force-switched into the new Vector 2022 theme. So for the second time I'm back on the classic Vector theme and really, really hope it will stick.
[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]] ([[User talk:Herisson26|talk]]) 22:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]]. Thank you for asking here.
:* We've been planning to provide [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features#Language_switching_2:_One-click_access_to_preferred_languages|one-click access to preferred languages]] but it's dependent on the work of another team ([[Wikimedia Language engineering|Language]]). We can't promise anything in terms of the timeline yet.
:* What do you mean by "with the links being there for some languages and moved away for other ones"? You saw the new Vector on some wikis, and the old Vector on some other wikis, didn't you? I think that's related to the next issue.
:* Why you had to switch back again - [https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Caf%C3%A9_dos_programadores&diff=prev&oldid=62956756&diffmode=source here's my explanation]. We're sorry, this was an extremely rare oversight.
:* It's interesting that you write this interface is smartphone-friendly. Many volunteers note this. Out of curiosity, what makes you think that? Is this just about the responsiveness, or something more?
:[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 00:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]],
::* For a translator, direct access to "preferred" languages is not enough. I need the complete list of languages, as it exists on old Vector. My preferred languages would be French, English, Spanish and Italian, but I will regularly read directly a page in Japanese, Portuguese or any other if it's the one that will get me the information I'm looking for (which is quite often the case when dealing with foreign people). So limiting direct access to a select few languages will still break Wikipedia for me.
::* Yes, lots of wikis use old Vector while the French one uses the new ones. It completely breaks the user interface. It is of utmost importance to me that all Wikipedia pages have the same layout, whatever the language. I understand the need to test things, but when you make a public switch that impacts the ergonomics of the site, it should be made across all languages. Maybe make the change per-user instead of per-language if you don't want to switch everyone at once.
::* Nothing to do with responsiveness. Smartphones don't have the physical space to display the language list and the article content at the same time, so having a button on the top of the page to show/hide the language panel makes sense. It does NOT on computers, which have plenty of free space for the left column and the traditional language list.
::[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]] ([[User talk:Herisson26|talk]]) 08:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Very bad indeed. The French version of Wikipedia, which has put all interwiki language links in a dropdown menu, is most annoying. It is a big waste of time, and not user-friendly at all. To switch to the article in another language, instead of having the whole choice displayed at once and just having to click, one now has to go back up to the right-hand corner of the article, click on the dropdown menu, scroll down the list until the desired language apears, click again... This change is not an improvement. It tends to isolate each linguistic version of Wikipedia, by rendering the language switching much harder. If ever it is useful for smartphones, please change the layout for mobiles only ("m" version of Wikipedia), but not for the desktop version. This cumbersome change should NOT be extended to other Wikipedias, and the French version should revert as soon as possible to a user-friendly layout, such as that of the English language Wikipedia. [[User:Baronnet|Baronnet]] ([[User talk:Baronnet|talk]]) 15:49, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] very cool that you bring one click different language!! would you please include the language team in this discussion here, and provide a link so people can view the progress? --[[User:ThurnerRupert|ThurnerRupert]] ([[User talk:ThurnerRupert|talk]]) 18:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== TOC Feedback ==

I noticed that the newest designs for the table of contents do not allow for it to be collapsed. I think the ability for the TOC to be collapsed is very important, specifically for users that have a touchscreen laptop. I and a friend of mine often use our left hand and our touchscreen to scroll articles because on our laptops it is often easier to scroll quicker than to use the touchpad. If the TOC remained expanded we might accidentally tap a link. A button to collapse it and a preference to expand or collapse it by default would be nice. [[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 20:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]]. Indeed, the first version of the TOC was not possible to be collapsed. This was because the results of user testings (both in-person and on-wiki) didn't indicate that the functionality was important. Now, given the feedback we've collected, we've decided to consider options how to make the TOC collapsible. In this context, what do you think about our [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear newest prototype]? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 13:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] Thank you for responding!

:::Hi, @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], I came to this page to ask whether the ToC can be moved from the sidebar, and really like the prototype. However it seems to be malfunctioning in Safari 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13): https://imgur.com/a/O0Jhti1
:::Thanks. [[User:HughLilly| —Hugh]] ([[User talk:HughLilly|talk]]) 05:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

::My feedback:
::* I really dislike the usage of the bracket type of buttons for <code>[hide]</code> and think a OOUI button or a smaller alernative should be used instead.
::* I like that all of the headers in the TOC are collapsed by-default, however, I think they when you're scrolling inside of a section, they need to expand and collpase as you go through one section to another. I've seen this functionality on other platforms and it allows the reader to understand the outline better when they're viewing the article.
::* The hiding action of the TOC has an inconsistent navigational pattern. UIs should always require the same amount of actions to disable something as to enable something. That always feels the most natural. Hiding the TOC for its default position requires one button press, but to return it back to its previous state requires two. Also, its location next to the title and then how it switches to the upper left to become sticky is really weird too. I don't like either of those locations. I was thinking it could look something like this collapsed and you could press the icon on the right to both collapse and expand it:
::[[File:MediaWiki table of contents collapsed idea.png|frameless]]
::[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 00:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, i just cant find the table of contents, i need it for easier navigation. please, help

== Sticky header in the namespace Project ==

([[:fr:Discussion_utilisateur:Patafisik_(WMF)#En-tête_figé_et_accès_aux_langues|original discussion in French]])

Hi,

a user suggests to add the sticky header in the namespace Project too, not only in [[Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements#Talk_page_and_page_history|Talk pages or History pages]] (see for exemple [[phab:T289641#7365946]] and [[phab:T299115]]). Best regards, [[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 09:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

== Left margin menu pushes down content ==
I normally use Monobook, but happened to get into the new Vector. Odd experience. The search box was absent and I had to scroll down for the content. I now see that you are supposed to click the magnifying glass to get the search box. OK. But the scrolling?

It seems the new Vector tries to guarantee wide enough space for the content. Perhaps that's what people surfing with maximised windows expect, but if you have a narrower window, is that really optimal? To get the left margin menu to the left of the content, I need a window some 1000 px wide. This "minimum" width gives me lines of about 100 characters, while I've heard reading is easiest at 47–72 or something like that. I like to have several windows open in parallel, and a narrower windows makes them fit better.

Anyway, if one's browser window is narrow, for whatever reason, does the empty space to the right of the margin menu really give the best possible experience? Is the 100 char width something that needs to be guaranteed for those planning layout of individual articles? (This experience is with Firefox 91.7.0esr on Debian.)

–[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 20:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

== Questions I shouldn't need to ask ==

I can tell WMF developers put a lot of work into this, but I'm sorry, this isn't cutting it. This latest prototype is Vector in name only. It's a completely different look and a completely different experience.
* Why do I have to click twice to get to my talk/contribs/preferences?
* Don't you think you could have fit those important links if you didn't go overboard on the whitespace or if the search bar wasn't so enormous?
* Is the language switcher really so important that it belongs in the sticky menu?
* I had to think for a few seconds about what the hamburger/star icon was (it's the Watchlist). Why are the icons necessary? I'll answer this one — too much whitespace at the top.
* Why is the new interface such a step down for the editors who will have to use it every day?
* ''And why are you still trying to put a hamburger menu on a desktop site?''

It's not all bad — I do think the max width improves readability. But that was already present on previous less-bad prototypes.

We were promised "improvements" to Vector, and what we're getting is an entirely new (and entirely inferior) skin. If this is really going to still be called Vector, that is highly misleading. The early comments that "total replacement is not an option" don't make a lot of sense now that Wikipedia appears to be getting exactly the top-down redesign I had feared this project would produce. Pigs will fly before this gets deployed to English Wikipedia ''without'' the community getting their pitchforks. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 04:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

: I went into Preferences to turn off the changes and I saw that the software is now treating "vector-2022" as a new skin. This is better than what I thought was going on but maybe there should be a more original name>
: Also, wouldn't it be a much better use of developer time to, say, work on the many unresolved Community Wishlist items? —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 17:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Pythoncoder|Pythoncoder]], thanks for these comments. I'd just like you to know that I'm working on an answer for you and I'll paste it soon. You've asked many important and basic questions (like the one about the Community Wishlist Survey), and I'm truly happy that you've done that. It's much better to clarify the basics. You don't know whether these are clear as long as no one questions it. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 00:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::: {{ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} I should have made it more clear above, but most of my comments are regarding the Fourth Prototype. And now that I read through my earlier comments it makes sense to make the sidebar collapsible in case readers don't want distractions. I believe the sidebar is shown by default so please disregard my complaints in that area. This is why I shouldn't edit when I'm sleep-deprived. I do still think the new skin needs a new name though. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::: Also re: wishlist, I suspect the two projects are probably worked on by completely different dev teams. Again, I'm sorry for the passive-aggressiveness above. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Hello @[[User:Pythoncoder|Pythoncoder]], no worries, I'm really glad you've figured some issues out yourself! Would it be possible for you to state what remains unclear? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::I think it mostly boils down to the amount of whitespace at the top and the hiding of important links such as talk, contribs, and login under a dropdown. I think this should be fixed. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

== Sticky header doesn't show the name or the logo of the project: the risk of loss of identity for Wikimedia sister projects ==
([[wikt:fr:Wiktionnaire:Wikidémie/mars_2022#Interface_bureau_%3A_venez_tester_le_quatrième_prototype|From French Wiktionary]])

{{Tracked|T293395}}

"I'm still observing the same problem when using this new skin: if you scroll down the page, it's impossible to know on which Wikimedia project you're on. The sticky header doesn't include the name of the site you are on, which is penalizing users for sharing screenshots, but also for identifying the editorial lines/ editorial policies of the different projects. Sister projects have important specificities. On the French Wiktionary, we already have people complaining that they can't find the content they expect to see on Wikipedia, and we have to tell them that it doesn't belong on the Wiktionary. I'm afraid that the phenomenon will only get worse."-Translated by --[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 13:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

(original message: ''"J’observe toujours le même problème, que je constate au quotidien en utilisant ce nouvel habillage : on ne sait pas sur quel projet on est dès que l’on défile un peu. L’en-tête fixe n’intègre pas le nom du site sur lequel on se trouve, ce qui est pénalisant pour le partage de capture d’écran, mais aussi pour l’identification des lignes éditoriales des différents projets qui ont des spécificités importantes. On a déjà actuellement des gens qui se plaignent de ne pas trouver tel contenu qu’ils s’attendent à voir sur Wikipédia, et à qui on doit répondre que ça n’a pas sa place sur le Wiktionnaire. Je crains que le phénomène ne fasse qu’empirer. [[user:Noé|Noé]] 29 mars 2022 à 12:37 (UTC)"'')

== The "sticky table of contents" is the worst among all the bad changes ==

I am sorry, but this sticky table of contents is such an eyesore, its sole addition might make me quit reading Wikipedia altogether. I'm not exaggerating, a similar update to Liquipedia made me want to avoid that project. It's more than an annoying waste of screen space - it also makes the different parts of the table of contents bold depending on where in the article my screen is, and thus it triggers my OCD, and it simply irritates me. I hate these moving parts in forced mobile designs.

> "The results of our 3rd prototype testing showed an overwhelming support for the proposed table of contents."

Have they? I don't see any discussion here.

> "The new table of contents will be persistent - users will have access to it at all times. It will also make it easier to understand the context of the page."

Are the TikTok memes reality? Excuse me, but I don't randomly forget what page or section I'm reading, thus I don't need a sticky title on my screen at all times.

> "In addition to that, it will be possible to navigate to different parts of the page without having to scroll all the way back to the top."

How is that "need" in any way difficult? It's one button on the keyboard - called ''Home''. Or you hold the slider on the right and jerk it up in a millisecond. But I suspect I know where "scrolling" is an issue - on mobile phones. This entire update in an exercise in transitioning a fine desktop UI from the 2000s which I had an honour to fall in love with in the 2010s to the non-constructive, downgraded, annoying and irritating experience of mobile phones.

Thankfully, not all projects choose to go this way. For an example of a new encyclopaedia with a traditional design, see the immensely popular Korean Namu Wiki. [[User:Adûnâi|Adûnâi]] ([[User talk:Adûnâi|talk]]) 12:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

:100% agree. [[User:Football Lab|Football Lab]] ([[User talk:Football Lab|talk]]) 09:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== some feeback on the layout ==

I really like the preview, it is much cleaner, a few thoughts from viewing this on desktop (I saw the Blue whale article and the Potato article):

# The 'in other projects' section is really nice, however I wonder what would be a sensible heirachy for this. Should it be contextual based on the topic or something else? Currently its suggesting me WikiNews which isn't relevant or a particularly well maintained Wikimedia Project. Also the other projects is more about navigating to other information on that topic, rather than being a tool, I wonder if it should be under the TOC instead? Its more about navigating information on the topic rather than using a tool.
# I'm not sure if this is intended, the images sit on top of the sections instead of being displayed along the side the text, especially for portrait format images this creates a lot of empty space.
# When logged out having the TOC on the left is really nice, works really well. But when I'm logged in the TOC is hidden under half of the tools but then the other half is on the right hand side is quite confusing. I realise this is a really difficult thing to organise, maybe it could live under the TOC? There isn't a clear deliniation between reading and contributing which is confusing.
# The taxonomy templates at the bottom are pretty broken and make long lists, also lists within the Potato article lose their formatting meaning on the page for potato the list of synonyms is one column wide making a very long section which isn't going to useful for a general reader right in the middle of the article. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 18:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

== I hate the new TOC ==

I was directed here from [[phab:T273473]]. That left-of-the-article TOC is a horrible nightmare. I absolutely hate it. I would seriously avoid any website that forced it upon me. Can't scroll it out of sight, can't collapse it, can't disable it, takes up too much space, I hate it I hate it I hate it. This was the reason I switched back to Vector classic on beta cluster. (and if Vector classic gets it too I'll switch to Monobook, Timeless or just murder it with a userscript) I'm not much of a fan of Vector 2022 (but it's not a lost cause, just needs work), but this TOC pushed me over the edge. As a personal note: I rarely use the existing TOC. But I can scroll it out of sight so it doesn't bother me. If the TOC went completely missing tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it. Having this big, (to me) useless thing that contrasts with the main content (it's much darker) permanently in my field of vision greatly annoys me. And because of the fixed position, my banner blindness fails to kick in. This results in pure hatred for something that, on the face it, could seem innocuous. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 16:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:I was not "directed" anywhere, I blundered onto here after finally finding information about this new skin. And let me be clear, APART from the ridiculous handling of the TOC, the new skin is great, precisely BECAUSE, before the TOC-debacle, this skin allowed me to get more of the article on the screen, and allowed me to hide the standard list of menu choices that I only need 0.something % of the time.

:So, please, Please, PLEASE make that TOC hideable! It's perhaps (!) a great default for newbies, but it's a bloody nuisance for us who usually never use the TOC, and if we do, we know where to find it! [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 21:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
::I totally agree. [[Special:Contributions/185.53.157.151|185.53.157.151]] 08:13, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], right, it's not that easy to get here. We'll put link to the project page on the list of available skins in preferences. The task is documented as [[phab:T307113|T307113]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:Hey @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] - thanks for talking to us. It’s good to hear you were using Vector 2022. I hope that you will switch back to it. In terms of the table of contents, you raise good points. A lot has been happening since you wrote your comment, so my answer is longer than it would have been last week.
:* The first version of the design was based on the feedback we got on our previous prototypes from readers and editors (see [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Repository/Sticky Header and Table of Contents User Testing#toc-intro|in-person reader & editor testing]] and [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Third prototype testing|on-wiki community testing]]).
:* That said, we have not yet made the design final. We are working on different ideas for the visual design of the entire site. We'll make the main content of the page be the primary focus of attention, even when other navigational elements (such as the ToC) are present. If you’re interested in following along with that work, most of it will be tracked on [[phab:T301780|T301780]] and in subtasks of that ticket.
:* We are also considering the way the ToC will display at smaller resolutions ([[phab:T306904|T306904]], [[phab:T306660|T306660]]) and looking into some options for collapsing it that could work for wider screens as well.
:* As you can see, people like you who have chosen Vector 2022 individually share a lot of feedback with us now. [[phab:T307004|T307004]], [[phab:T306562|T306562]] are some examples on things we are or will be working on.
:* In the meantime, we will be A/B testing the ToC on the pilot wikis. Our hypothesis is that the ToC will decrease the amount that people have to scroll to the top of the page to switch to a different section. The design might also vary once we have the results of the test.
:* Since these changes might take a little while to reach the beta cluster, we would also encourage technically-skilled folks to set up a script or gadget to make a temporary solution.
:And... yeah, [[Newsletter:Desktop Improvements updates|subscribe to our newsletter]], join our office hours ([[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Updates/Talk to Web|tomorrow]] or [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Participate|later]]) and talk to us more. Thank you! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]], here's another thought: [[wikt:reverse]]. It's not a long page, but that TOC is so bloody huge a full HD display isn't enough to read ''any'' of the actual page content without scrolling. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 01:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Right, right. Let's just take a look at [[:pl:Gramatyka języka fińskiego]]. I mean, this is an edge case, and as such, it's not that critical. From what I know, all TOC sections aren't uncollapsed by default, and you need to make an effort to see the full TOC. Is this your experience, too, @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]]? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::::[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]], sorry for being possibly unclear. It was just a thought about the classic inline TOC which is disproportionally huge on Wiktionary, so it's something to think about when designing a new TOC. On the Gramatyka page on plwiki you at least get the intro without scrolling and the page actually ''is'' very long, so it's understandable the TOC also gets big. I've taken a look at the CSS (should have done that sooner) and simply disabling "position:sticky" stops the new TOC from being so infuriating. IMHO that should be the default, or at the very least, proper research should be done into this. Not only to determine by majority vote what users prefer (I wouldn't be surprised if sticky wins a binary majority vote) but also how crazy either option can drive users who ''don't'' like it. Pleasing a majority is no good if it causes a minority to be greatly aggravated. While I personally can get around it using technical means, that isn't true for most people. I'll also note that the experience on devices that are primarily controlled with a touchscreen may very well be different. With a keyboard, scrolling back up to the TOC is nearly no effort. Just press "home" or hold "page up". With a touchscreen, not so much, so I can see why sticky might have a greater appeal there. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 07:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::What TOC? I don't get any such thing. [[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]] ([[User talk:Betaneptune|talk]]) 17:36, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
:100% agree. [[User:Football Lab|Football Lab]] ([[User talk:Football Lab|talk]]) 09:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== Watchlist icon ==

[[User:Schierbecker|Schierbecker]] [[Topic:Wu23w3nlomndp5f1|wrote]]:
<blockquote>The watchlist icon too closely resembles a hamburger menu button. I can see many clicking the button thinking it is a dropdown menu. Some may lose unsaved edits after clicking it.</blockquote>

I completely agree, but not really because it resembles a hamburger button but because it's sandwiched (no pun intended!) between dynamic menus. If there was the dropdown arrow next to the interlangs, alerts and notices buttons just like the personal menu, it would communicate more clearly that the watchlist button is a simple link and not a menu. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 02:38, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks for this comment, @[[User:Nardog|Nardog]]. We'll think how we could improve this. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:55, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

== Sidepanel is bloated ==

Tonight size of left panel is increased too much. It covers more than ¼ screen now.
https://imgur.com/3YJlcii
Can I reduce size of panel, as it was before? [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 21:18, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
: Agreed. I feel there's too much white space padding the left and right of the sidebar. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 00:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] @[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] thank you for these reports. It seems like you may have your browser window zoomed in, is that correct? Also, if you are able to please add any additional thoughts, needs, screenshots, and ideas to this task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306660. [[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AHollender (WMF)|talk]]) 14:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::No, my browser not using zoom. I using personal css with font-size 14pt, but when I login to other account without personal css, the sidepanel still terrible huge.
::https://imgur.com/l8bIrDF [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 15:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]]: Apologies, I should have clarified. The sidebar here is fine; the one at Wikipedia isn't. Resetting the zoom level on Wikipedia doesn't address the issue; there's still a lot of white space padding the element. I'll leave this discussion and focus on [[#I oppose the new sidebar/TOC]] and the mentioned Phabricator ticket, which describes my issue more accurately. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 15:10, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

::: The ambiguity and confusion evident from the preceding discussion suggests that the interface has become to complex. Aren't the original sidebar and TOC at the top of the page enough? Why change? Is another popup menu necessary to switch language? What about setting language in user preferences? Simplify, simplify, simplify. Regards, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|talk]]) 00:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC limit doesn't work anymore ==

It seems that this "sidebar TOC" has different classes, making [[:en:Template:TOC limit]] doesn't work anymore. [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 07:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Templates can only control the content of an article so [[en:Template:TOC_limit/styles.css]] won't apply outside the article area so new classes won't help here. A magic word would need to be added so support this use case if important and time allows. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 15:37, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

== I oppose the new sidebar/TOC ==

Please make it possible for the users to collapse the left sidebar/TOC or to reduce the white space size. I for one use a browser sidebar (Sidebery) as well as 150% or even bigger text size. Combined with the forced sidebar/TOC, the actual line length becomes much smaller than the recommended length. [[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] ([[User talk:PeterTrompeter|talk]]) 08:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] - thanks for your feedback. We're currently exploring better solutions for the ToC at narrow widths, which include the option of collapsing as well. Check out [[phab:T306660]] for the details and prototypes. It would be great to get your opinion on some of these. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:40, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

::I wonder about one thing: Who on earth thought that having such a monstrosity as that [pejorative snipped] TOC as a PERMANENT part of the skin would be a good idea ? I mean, having it pop up might be a useful thing for newbies (and I find even that a stretch of my imagination), but PERMANENTLY wasting space on a table of contents you consult perhaps once or twice per (long) article ? So KINDLY have it fixed to be hideable/collapsible so that we can get actual article contents on our screens. (One sidenote here: Apart from my blowout here - yes, I am aware that working on these projects is a chore, and despite my invectives here, I AM grateful for your efforts. It's just that this kind of stuff goes so completely against what would be the natural idea here, that I blow my top unnecessarily hard - people generally want to read the TEXT of the articles, so when a new skin development deliberately wastes space on the table of contents - ????? ) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 16:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Hey @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], we test all of the proposed changes. Editors and readers were strongly in support of this change. More details here: [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Table of contents]]. Cheers, [[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AHollender (WMF)|talk]]) 17:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::::My question stands: Why having it there PERMANENTLY ??? Ok, I find something that's relevant for me to read; usually, I then want to READ just that; not the thread that led me there... So, why PERMANENTLY ??? [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 17:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

== Public and private views... ==

While thinking about this, I was struck with what appears to me to be a central point of division here: This is not a question of how THE user interface should look like; but, rather, it is a question of what we should look like to anonymous users, and what choices should be available to those of us who log in ? Does that differentiation make sense ? (I should mention that I'm coming to this from Wikipedia, and that I have very little experience with the other projects.) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 19:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Yeah @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], this makes sense. With the caveat that I don't know what central point of division you are referring to :D
:At the moment, except for gadgets and such little tweaks, we aren't able to offer different interfaces for logged-out and logged-in users. Also, we can't make it possible to easily switch between different settings like dark/light mode, contrast versions, font sizes, etc. We need to improve the basics of the viewing/reading experience, we can do ''that'', so we're doing it.
:As a result, readers use our interface more comfortably, we check that with regular A/B tests. As for the most dedicated editors, they can/should:
:# Help us build an interface useful to them (by giving feedback on the prototypes, on the changing interface on "pilot wikis", by adjusting gadgets, etc.)
:# Accept the arguments about the results of user testing, A/B testing, community feedback...
:# Accept the "final" version as the basic version, and
:# Configure it further if they want.
:Our team would like to work the interface deeper. We would like to make it more modular and adjustable. (Of course, content would stay objectively the same for all.) A few months ago, we started working with more closely [[Growth]] and [[Editing]]. Now we're checking how ambitious we can be.
:Does that answer your question? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:26, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
::My way of thinking here, is that the main divider here is between what should be visible and available to those who are NOT logged in, and what should be available and possible for those who DO log in. This is because the big difference between the two groups, is that those who are logged in, are also able to seek detailed information and make informed choices (and possibly programmed adaptations), whereas the non-logged in can not be trusted to have any particular information about the system, do not have a way of communicating preferences, and therefore needs to be given visual cues as to what's possible and available, precisely because they are strangers here... (Sidenote: I am of the Wikipedia, and that is the project I write in relation to; each project will have some peculiarities that do not apply to the other (to the same degree, at least); for this reason I should remember to mention this.)
::
::I hope what I'm writing here makes some sense, I try to avoid giving specific "orders" to anyone, but rather contribute to clarifying the context so that I understand it; hopefully, what I then write makes sense to others as well... (About here my subconscious can be heard muttering "and if pigs could fly"...) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 13:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== "Beginning" is confusing ==

More feedback: when I was at [[w:Gotcha journalism]] just now, I became confused because there appeared to be a section titled "beginning", which I assumed covered the early history of the term. It took me a minute to figure out that that wasn't referring to a section but rather a way to scroll to the top of the page. Many other articles are going to have a similar problem, since we often begin with history sections that might reasonably be titled "Beginning" for early history. {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 22:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Sdkb|Sdkb]] - good catch! This is something we discussed quite a bit internally in order to finally settle on beginning, although I agree that it's still imperfect. Previously we were using "introduction". The issue there was that many articles have "introduction" as the name of their first section, causing duplication. Other options we were considering were location-based (back to top, beginning of page, etc). We are welcome to ideas on how to make this clearer. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 09:05, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::The name used by wikipedians? ''Lead section'' in English, ''résumé introductif'' in French, etc ([[d:Q10966628|Q10966628]]) [[User:Pyb|Pyb]] ([[User talk:Pyb|talk]]) 11:07, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:::On Translatewiki.net I found "Début" for fr.wiki and "Inizio" for it.wiki (on it.wiki we use also "Incipit" or "Introduzione", see [[phab:T306990]]). [[User:Patafisik|Patafisik]] ([[User talk:Patafisik|talk]]) 15:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::::@[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]], did you consider different design approaches in addition to different names? If the word had been accompanied by something like [[File:Font Awesome 5 solid caret-up.svg|16px]], it might have been a lot clearer. I also think there's some benefit to matching the terminology we already use as editors ("lead section" or "introduction"), since that makes it easier for newcomers. The Wikipedia articles that currently have "Introduction" as their first named section should not—they should be tagged with [[w:Template:Overview section]]. {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 20:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::I think using the article title would make the most sense, as the title is the uppermost heading in the article. That way the header that the reader arrives at always matches the one they've clicked on. (I'm sure "Beginning" is better than "Introduction," but it's not unheard of as a section title either: e.g. [[w:Creolization|Creolization]], [[w:Ashikaga shogunate|Ashikaga shogunate]], [[w:History of Carthage|History of Carthage]]. Is there any way to determine how often it's used?) [[User:Arms & Hearts|Arms & Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms & Hearts|talk]]) 19:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I think "Top" would be less confusing and generally make more sense as that seems to be the common English term for the top of the page. [[Special:Contributions/132.170.199.112|132.170.199.112]] 19:32, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of contents below sidebar just doesn't work ==

On a broader note than the two pieces of feedback above, I have to say that my experience so far with the new table of contents has been really frustrating. As an editor, I use lots of the links in the left sidebar quite frequently, so I don't want to collapse it (and even if I did, the way it persists in whatever state you leave it in means that every time I used it it'd return). But preserving the left sidebar forces the table of contents below it, which is just awful. The number one time I want to use the ToC is when I first navigate to an article, and I either want to jump to a specific section or just to see what sections it has to get an overview. Forcing me to scroll to get to that information is extremely annoying, and if it's kept in the final version, I predict the outcry will be intense. You could resolve this either by retaining the old style ToC alongside the new (which would also solve the [[w:MOS:SANDWICH|sandwiching]] concerns I've previously raised) or by moving the ToC above the left sidebar. From your previews, I know you've been working on moving some stuff around and introducing pinning, so I hope this will be resolved in future iterations. But the initial version being introduced here is clearly not ready yet. Best, {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 22:53, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
: For me it seems the table of contents and the sidebar seems to be two different things. On Wikipedia, I collapsed the sidebar and the table of contents still remain. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 03:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::I want ToC collapsed too. But there is no way to do it. It uses almost 1/3 of my screen and makes reading very difficult.- [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 05:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Same here. 14" Screen, collapsed sidebar menu, open only when needed. With the new TOC I cannot collapse the sidebar, it's just a toggle between navbar and TOC. I appreciate the effort and that it's a first attempt, but it definitely should be optional. And yes, I was involved in feedbacks and testing earlier. Regards [[User:Elya|Elya]] ([[User talk:Elya|talk]]) 14:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

:::: +1, the TOC should be accessible from the top of the page, and collapsible (vertically; also horiz if it is making the sidebar too wide - many pages have section heads that are quite long). [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 17:35, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

== About Google Docs and Zoom ==

{{Ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} Thank you for the invitation I received for tomorrow's videcall since I was an interface admin and a developer! but sadly I cannot participate since I don't use Google Docs or Zoom for security reasons (partially related: [https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-senate-german-government-tell-staff-not-to-use-zoom/] [https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.html]).

I don't know if it could be useful but maybe in the future you may consider to land the doc on the wiki itself, or using Etherpad [https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/] when realtime is needed.

To drop Zoom, maybe I can propose Jitsi Meeting [https://meet.jit.si/] that is gratis and libre and supports streaming on social network to support large audience. (Also [[Wikimedia Meet]] deserves a try and some feedback). [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 15:38, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]]. I understand your concerns and thank you for the language you use. I do appreciate that. As you may have realized, it isn't without a reason why we use these particular tools/platforms.
:# Google Docs are used by the Foundation as the default tool for making internal notes and docs. We might, for the purposes of the office hours, replace it with Etherpad. There's a problem with the translations, though. Asking translators to update just one word, and waiting until they've done that, could be troublesome. This is why I can only commit to replace this if we make more changes to the announcement. (By the way, the announcement is [[Template:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Office hours announcement|fully standardized]] and translated into 16 languages, some of which use declination or are not written in the Latin script.)
:# We need our office hours to be technically (platform-wise) predictable. Although Jitsi is open source and Zoom is not, the latter is more effective. It has been widely used for online meetings in the movement. It's been used by the WMF for office hours with the CEO, Maryana; it's been used by affiliates. There are hundreds of Wikimedians who at least once have participated in a Wikimedia meeting on Zoom. We know how to provide live translations there. Jitsi, on the other hand, is less popular, and we'd have to learn how to support live translations, including more trainings organized specifically for our meetings.
:# We may consider having office hours on IRC. Frankly, I have a feeling that since the migration from Freenode, IRC has been more and more marginalized, but we could give it a try.
:I'm curious what other Wikimedians watching this page think. Add your comments! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::Just asking for an understanding that Google Form and Zoom are a bug, not a feature, to participate in a Wikimedia project. A bug that deserves a long-term fix. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 15:57, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
::: I appreciate these are standard across parts of the Foundation. And agree w/ [[user:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio]] this is a bug, not a feature. Perhaps it's time to revisit this across the org. :) We should be using tools that can be constantly used and deployed by communities for events, workshops, office hours, talks without sending traffic through commercial servers.
::: ''Text'': Google makes some very wiki-spirited tools (they did absorb JotSpot back in 2006) so it's stayed around for a while. But we simply must stop using it as a crutch that keeps us from using and being delighted by notetaking on our own platform. Our collaborative platform for drafting and discussing documents. Our versioned, searchable platform.
::: ''Video'': I too have to use Zoom sometime, but I'm always surprised and a bit dismayed when a Wikimedia meeting uses it! Jitsi is stable, widely used + repackaged, easily modded and forked, and we host a [https://meet.wmcloud.org/ lovely instance] on the WM cloud. [We also regularly use BigBlueButton for larger audiences.] It makes it easy to name a persistent rooms, embed it it in other places or tools (see Jitsi-as-a-service + [[w:Brave Talk|Brave Talk]] these days), &c. We should be thinking about how to better use video streams in our projects, and using this framework as we do so. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 12:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], I will not participate in any forum that is not public. Why the wmf foundation wants to share information via Zoom, a for-profit corporation which provides no guarantee of privacy, is anyone's guess. We have been using wiki-code for discussion since 2001, why this change?
::I apologize if you find my message above irrespecutful, but this represents the views of many. [[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|talk]]) 18:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Instant jumping vs. animated scrolling for table of contents ==

As you're polishing up the table of contents, one thing it'd be nice to consider is the behavior when you click on a section in it. Currently, it instantly jumps to that section, but I think it'd be better if it instead did a very quick scroll (maybe a quarter of a second). This would help readers to more easily understand what's happening when they click the link, and to get a better intuitive sense of what the article contains by seeing it flash by. Would that be possible? {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 02:37, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

== Wide-column + Multi-column options for large screens ==

Readers vary in what form factor they prefer, especially for long-form high-volume reading. That's part of why this change and research into 'optimal layout' is controversial. I'm someone who finds it hard and slow to read a narrow column and have to scroll all the time, including when searching a page for a term. General feedback on width:

# Include a comfortable default for large screens. The (potentially large) gray margins on left and right, outside large white margins, bracketing a forced-maxwidth central column, do not feel good. Wide-col or multi-col could work.
# Offer an explicit wide-column pref that doesn't require people to change skins, even if that is less aggressively supported/tested across all platforms.
# A multi-column design for text within sections – mimicking the style of most long-form magazines and scholarly journals – would be interesting and can be surpassingly beautiful. That's what I'd like to see our wide-screen layouts transition to. We already do this within sections for references, lists, and galleries.

Even low-end desktop monitors these days are high enough resolution to support two-column layouts. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 18:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

== I think sticky elements ruin Vector ==

I liked vector a lot more when it didn't have the new distracting elements (sticky header and sticky TOC). ''I care about the contents of the page, not the interface'', nor about the need to scroll to the top of the page every now and then. [[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] ([[User talk:Tokujin|talk]]) 17:50, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]]. Congratulations for finding this page :D You can add <code>.vector-sticky-header {display:none;}</code> to your [[metawiki:Special:MyPage/global.css|global.css]]. For now, I'm not entirely sure what to advise about the TOC, though. When the collapsible version has been deployed, we'll know what code you should use to make it not sticky and keep some other version. I invite you to revisit this topic in 2-3 weeks.
:By the way, I very much liked the first sentence of [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=5009784 your comment to the third prototype]. Have you seen the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing|fourth one]]? I encourage you to follow the instructions and share your opinion about it, too. (BTW, compare it with [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear the newest version, also a prototype].) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:28, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::Hi Szymon :-) [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Fourth_prototype_testing/Feedback#Username%3ATokujin|Done]], thank you. Regarding the global.css setting, notice that with sticky table headers enabled (in Preferences > Gadgets > Testing and development) there's a bug whereby in tables such as those in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disenchantment_episodes#Part_4_(2022) this page] the table header leaves space for the absent page header. Other tables, such as that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-nine%20Novels here], don't have this issue. [[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] ([[User talk:Tokujin|talk]]). 07:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Skin differences between wikis ==

I'm using the 2022 Vector skin globally now (with [[:m:User:Tol/global.css|some modifications]] to remove whitespace), but I'm noticing that some wikis' sidebars are different from others. For example, MediaWiki wiki (this wiki) and French Wikipedia have a thinner white-background sidebar which sits on top of the page body (and ToC in the page body), while Meta-Wiki, Wikidata, and English Wikipedia have a wider grey-background box which is not layered on top of the page body (and ToC beneath said box). I can't figure out why this is. [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 00:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Tol|Tol]] - thanks for your question, and good catch! This is due to the table of contents still needing to being A/B tested on some wikis (frwiki and mediawiki wiki being two of these). The ToC functionality is not yet available there. That said, we've began some work on reducing the margins for the ToC as a whole ([[phab:T307004]]) that will make the differences in width fairly negligible. This change will be on all wikis next week. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]]: Ah; looks great! I look forward to that change rolling out. Thanks! [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 14:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Tool bars and tables ==

Hi, thanks for the update. A few observations:
# I would suggest that users have the option to keep the tool bar on the sidebar from the beginning, instead of having to click "tools" -> "[move to sidebar]" every single time.
# The readability of tables and graphs that are wider than the (quite tight) text column is an issue. In certain cases, the tables represent time series data (e.g. population in a country or municipality over time) that cannot just be tightened. Do you have a proposal to solve this issue? The NYT, which is a site that you explicitly mention as inspiration, lets tables and images occupy the whole width of the screen if necessary.
[[User:GeneraleAutunno|GeneraleAutunno]] ([[User talk:GeneraleAutunno|talk]]) 20:39, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

== Next steps for the Table of Contents ==
Hey all - thank you for all the feedback around the issues you were experiencing with the ToC, especially on narrow screens. We've taken a few steps to fix some of these issues:
* We're reducing the margins of the ToC to more closely resemble those of the prototype (tracked in [[phab:T307004]])
* We have a temporary solution for the ToC at narrow widths, which removes the ToC alltogether
* We are building functionality to allow for the ToC to be collapsible and expandable at narrow widths (tracked in [[phab:T306660]])
* We are planning on making the ToC collapsible at all screen sizes and widths (tracked in [[phab:T307901]])
* https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear links to a prototype that puts all of these changes together.
We would appreciate your feedback and thoughts on the decisions made within the prototype and whether they work for you. Thanks! [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:cc @[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]], @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]], @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], @[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]], @[[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]], @[[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] - in case you're interested. Apologies if I'm forgetting anyone else that was asking about this! [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:46, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva]], thank you, it's a solid improvement! Just one request: can the hiding/unhiding be made persistent so my choice remains in effect even if I navigate to another page? [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 12:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you, that's good news! (Adding a clarification: I'm responding to OVasileva, here.) My thinking is that making it collapsible is the only reasonable way to go; with the added point that for newcomers and anonymous readers it should perhaps be turned "on" as default; if the collapse button is clearly visible, the TOC will be useful to some, and easily removable for the rest, which should be the useful level of the intrusive/invisible conundrum... Thank you, once again. [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 13:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]]: Thanks for letting me know. Since this seems to be only in effect for the new Vector skin, maybe some work could be done to have the table of contents be shown in focus and have a button on the sticky header, as well as a keyboard shortcut for it? [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 14:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks for the work, I like the prototype a lot. I've missed the easily available overview that the ToC provides. Compare to the 2010 design, it is very useful to have the ToC available no matter how far down you scroll.
:On small screens, the "move to sidebar" link text is not accurate with regards to what happens visually when you click on it. [[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] ([[User talk:PeterTrompeter|talk]]) 16:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
:On narrow screens this is still quite jarring, and having no TOC is a loss, being able to move the TOC back in to the body (dynamically and programmatically) seems a better compromise. A problem I see is that even when there is no TOC on a page, all that space it could use is still being consume by blank space, that wasted horizontal space needs to be able to be reclaimed somehow. We've been testing some options that are aimed at more power desktop '''editors''' so they can use vector-2022, but still have access to most of their screen (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_%C3%9Cber_Alles?useskin=vector-2022&withgadget=wide-vector-2022 example] (will really only be strikingly noticable if you are on a wide screen)) but still are getting complaints about the huge space used by the TOC. [[User:Xaosflux|Xaosflux]] ([[User talk:Xaosflux|talk]]) 11:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== Banners and roadmap ==

Hi, I think you should consider to add banners in order to present the restyling to a much wider part of users. IMO they should link to discussion and presentation pages.
You should also consider to present to the wikis a clear roadmap with dates in order to present ahead of time big changes like the adoption of the new Vector.
This two changes would make you work clearer to the eyes of the users and would prevent some dissatisfactions. In particular I'd like to point out that [[:it:Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/La_nuova_interfaccia_desktop|what is happening on itwiki]] is being perceived as an imposition against the general consensus and I agree with the Italian users that are saying that forcing the adoption of the new skin is not the right way to act. These two are some ideas to widen the discussion, forcing something against the will of most will just radicalize the opposing positions even more. -- [[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 11:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:I just received the good piece of news that the adoption of the new skin has been delayed for itwiki and I thank you for this. But I still think that the two ideas that I presented above would be good tools to prevent something similar to happen again. ----[[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks @[[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]]. These are great suggestions.
:* Banners - [[phab:T304839|T304839]] - we've been working this for some time. Soon, the banner should be visible to some logged-in Vector users. They will be encouraged to switch to the new skin, and some time later, they'll see another banner with a link to this talk page.
:* Links to the project page - [[phab:T307113|T307113]] - our idea was similar. We'll add a link to the list of skins in preferences.
:* Roadmap - that's also a very good point. We'll consider how to present this to the community most effectively.
:* Itwiki - we'll continue this topic on itwiki, alright?
:[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for you consideration! :) And speaking of itwiki of course we will continue the topic right there. -- [[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 16:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sticky header 'dead zone' in articles with long lead sections ==
{{tracked|T307345}}
Steps to reproduce:

# Visit an article with at least a moderately long lead section (e.g., [[en:Charles de Gaulle]]).
# Scroll down a little way.
# Observe that the sticky header appears.
# Scroll down a little further, so that the first heading appears, but not much further than that.
# Observe that the sticky header vanishes.
# Scroll down even further.
# Observe that the sticky header re-appears.

This does not seem like intended behaviour. I am testing on Firefox 100. [[User:FrankSpheres|FrankSpheres]] ([[User talk:FrankSpheres|talk]]) 04:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:FrankSpheres|FrankSpheres]] - thank you for your report! We already have a fix for this bug, tracked in [[phab:T307345|T307345]]. It will be available early next week. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 08:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on new look ==
I like that stuff that is generally rarely used is hidden, such as the language picker.

I am not a fan of moving the table of contents off the main article body section. I didn't even register that the table of contents was there and I frequently use the TOC to get an overview of interesting sections of articles. With the TOC being isolated at the side bar, it seems separated from the article itself, while it should be a central part. Maybe it would work better if it appeared on the right of the article, where there is currently just whitespace?

Speaking of whitespace: I dislike the move to a max-width on article pages. This feature should at the very least be toggle-able with a button (without a need to log in). I feel like it makes the article feel more cramped, with less space for images and figures. There is already a very good solution to setting the effective width in the old view: Simply resize your window or zoom in on your browser. With the new look, I am forced to a max-width and I don't have a solution to control the width like I did before.

Whitespace and the TOC did something beautiful together in the old look actually. The TOC conveniently visually separated the article lead section from the rest of the article by introducing white space, which I personally found very pleasing. The new look has the lead section blend in with the rest of the article. This makes the lead appear more daunting, while its purpose is to serve as a quicker summary. Perhaps the lead section should be followed by a larger piece of whitespace than is normally found above headings, so as to separate the lead from the rest as before?

Finally I am quite sad to see that the Wikipedia globe logo is diminished - I really like the globe with the symbols and it doesn't look very good at low resolutions. I think the size of the globe was perfectly fine before. Besides, it seems there's plenty of space for it to have the same size as before so I'm kind of puzzled why this change was made in the first place.

I will also say that the arrow next to the Wikipedia globe (the one to minimize the side bar) leads to an unfortunate usability flaw. I initially thought the arrow was supposed to take me back to the front page (it is right next to the logo and the leftward direction suggests a "back" action). But that is not what it does at all. So the arrow is kind of confusing at first. --[[User:SorteKanin|SorteKanin]] ([[User talk:SorteKanin|talk]]) 16:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

== When testing the new skin, offer a one-click way to change back ==
The banners inviting users to test the new skin offer a one-click option that updates your skin to new Vector. The banner is then replaced with a message saying "give us feedback!", but it should also offer a one-click way to revert the change. Users may not be familiar with how to undo the change. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 12:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

:The one-click option to revert is the final item of the sidebar's top section, in bold. Are you suggesting a second method should be included, or that the link should be made more obvious and flashy by moving to the banner?
:The sidebar link seems fine to me. Particularly because this is less about the theme and more ergonomics for migration. [[User:Kees Person|Kees Person]] ([[User talk:Kees Person|talk]]) 15:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

:: I found it eventually, thanks. Yes, putting it in the banner, or putting a js link in the banner that highlighted the sidebar link, would be clearer :) [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 19:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Too little space ==

It's probably fine for those who don't use wide-screen monitors, but as someone who does it is quite annoying having everything mushed together like on mobile. I have read the page on this, but I think there should be a way to keep the functionality of the skin but lengthen the screen. [[User:Lallint|Lallint]] ([[User talk:Lallint|talk]]) 13:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
: I concur. I tried the new skin a couple of times and just could not do it. I have bought a standalone monitor for a reason - and it's not that large anyway (1920 x 1200) - yet the new skin wastes a third of my screen space. [[User:Kashmiri|Kashmiri]] ([[User talk:Kashmiri|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::Actually I use a 13" laptop and I initially thought that my computer switched to mobile version by mistake, but I later realized that was the desktop layout. I think the way everything is squeezed-in together takes away from the experience; there is nothing wrong with the header and tools bar they look fine to me, yet the sizing seems off for desktop users. [[User:Humanized|Humanized]] ([[User talk:Humanized|talk]]) 10:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sidebar too long ==

Sidebar too long and page too small on Wikimedia wikis [[User:LisafBia6531|LisafBia6531]] ([[User talk:LisafBia6531|talk]]) 16:24, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== Do not use a sticky header. ==

I think the new layout makes much better use of whitespace on 16:9 displays, making paragraphs easier to read. However, vertical space is someone no website that serves text-rich pages to users can ever get enough of. I believe that every (non-redundant, e.g. the article name is displayed twice on most browsers in the window tab title and the sticky header) element currently placed on the sticky header would not just fit on the sticky sidebar, but by removing the sticky header the layout will better serve what readers come to a wiki to do.

As a side note though, I am awfully sentimental about the old Wikipedia header logo and type layout, that giant globe and the accompanying text beneath it is far too iconic to change in my opinion, even for a redesign. [[User:Saedes|Saedes]] ([[User talk:Saedes|talk]]) 14:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sidebar considerations for vertical monitors/half-width windows ==

I haven't tested this out thoroughly yet, but I'm going to be adding this section to start a discussion on how the new layout uses responsive design when display device/window aspect ratios are greater in height than width. [[User:Saedes|Saedes]] ([[User talk:Saedes|talk]]) 14:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== The table of contents is in the wrong place ==

It's nice to have a table of contents right there on the side so you can move back and forth between sections but i don't like the fact that you have to scroll down a bit to find it. If there's a way to keep it at the top of the page so you see it right as the page loads then as the user scrolls down it changes into a sticky header, that would be better. [[User:Abhaypradjha|Abhaypradjha]] ([[User talk:Abhaypradjha|talk]]) 10:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

== Search bar UX is inefficient (Fitts's law) ==

I want to search.
# If I am at the top of the article, I click mindlessly anywhere on the header and type straight away.
# If I am down the article, I have to pinpoint an icon.

This is bad because
* The inconsistency turns my muscle memory against me
* It goes against [[w:en:Fitts's_law#Implications_for_UI_design|Fitts's law]]: pinpointing an icon requires precision and is slower than clicking a large bar at the border of the screen without giving much thought into it.

A solution would be that clicking on the article title or empty space in the sticky header hides the article title and displays the search bar (empty and focused).

My case is that I often read the documents with the help of Wiktionary, so I use the search bar heavily and my usage pattern is fundamentally different than on Wikipedia. On Wiktionary, the interesting information is on one line or two, for each one of many unrelated entries, so searching is almost exclusively my means of navigation. [[User:Wanlpz|Wanlpz]] ([[User talk:Wanlpz|talk]]) 19:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC: the position of the content ==
Hi, I like your [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear last prototype of TOC], in particular the blu color which helps to find a menu when you collapse it.

I notice something I consider a bug: when the TOC is collapsed, if the tools menu is collapsed too the content is in the correct position, but if you move to the sidebar the tools, the content changes his position (it shifts on the left side). It feels strange. It doesn't happens when the TOC is on the sidebar, and you open/collapse the Tools menu.--[[Special:Contributions/151.42.0.114|151.42.0.114]] 13:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

==Sidebar==
The sidebar has extended a bit (and by that, I mean a LOT) too far, which makes things very uncomfortable for me. I'm fine with the skin other than that, but the overintrusive sidebar is just awful. Plus, there are these white extensions to it that shouldn't be there. I hope you understand what I'm talking about, and at least take notes on it! [[User:ARandomPage|ARandomPage]] ([[User talk:ARandomPage|talk]]) 11:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Зробіть для кожного коментатора окремий відділ ==

'''Привіт я досі не можу зрозуміти чому кожен коментатор не може писати окремо це набагато зручніше...'''

'''Новий дизайн набагато простіший в візуальному плані але до нього треба звикати)))'''

'''Також я побачив що новий дизайн не працює в деяких мовах''' [[User:Ilolg|Ilolg]] ([[User talk:Ilolg|talk]]) 14:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Some incoherence ==

Hey there! To begin with, I want to make it clear I've got nothing against updating the desktop experience at all. I wanted to make it clear in case I seem like a person ranting something like, "Give me back my good old skin!121".

What I think is that by making the skin you folks tried to reconcile the legacy appearance with some modernity. A good point, though the effect is not as optimistic. The top buttons (edit & history & etc) that retain the legacy shadowing do not fit in with the new cohesive background as seen in the left-hand sidebar. I'd consider re-adapting the former so that they better suit the new design. [[User:Mustafar29|Mustafar29]] ([[User talk:Mustafar29|talk]]) 10:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== A few more issues with the Page header vs Sticky header icons ==
Premise: I agree with the comments above that an update can only be a good thing; I'm sending kudos to all the teams working behind the scenes; and I only started using Vector 2022 a few weeks ago - noticing that it gets better each day. I'm not sure if the issues I'm having are slated to be improved or are haven't yet been considered.

1. Lack of coherence in the sticky header iconography
I frequently work on the special pages where the sticky header is absent which makes it frustrating when I move to another page (article page) and it appears and then back to 'edit' or 'view the history' of a page and it disappears again. I feel that I should be able to move from page type to page type without noticing drastic changes in the header.

2. Order of icons and functionality is different between the sticky header and page header - specifically some items disappear completely, some move from one area to the next and others are simply re-ordered. (Until just now I thought the search bar had been remove but I just found it as an icon that was pushed to the extreme left hand side after the article title. Now I understand the others who said that with a 27" monitor the left side icons are essentially out of sight.)

[[file:Headers-sticky-vs-page.jpg|600px]]
* Examining the two headers more in detail we see that the icons seem to be in the same place which makes it hard to notice they are different. Starting from the right, we see that the icons are identical in both therefore, we naturally expect the two (people) dropdown menus to contian the same items.
* Moving towards the left we see two icons with a star which pertain to the same semiotic sphere yet actually have different functionalities. One icon (that looks like a drop down menu but isn't) takes you to your watchlist while the other simply indicates whether the current page is on your watchlist and fuctions as a toggle to add the page if it isn't. There is a futher issue with how similar this icon is to the 'Contributions' icon, making it hard to distinguish for those of us who have bad eyesight - but that is an issue for another post.
* Continuing to the left, the issue becomes more confusing. 'Your notices' from the page header disappears (or maybe I just haven't found it yet) and the text menu 'View history' moves into the sticky header as an icon -the tool tips are the same in both and they are basically in the same position onthe page, which helps a bit.
* And with the final icons (still moving left) the 'Your alerts' bell disappears (or hasn't been found) and the 'Discussions about this page' transform from a text menu on the left into an icon on the right, at least the tooltip is the same. I have to admit that it's not clear to me why my user name is only visible on the page header and then moves under the person icon in the sticky header. It's not exactly a problem in itself, but it does add to the confusion of icons and functionality that seems to jump around from page to page.
* Finally, it seems that the “Edit” and “Edit source” functions have disappeared along with the special menu items of “delete”, “purge” and “move” unless you scroll back up to the top of the page. I believe these issues have already been mentioned by others above.

Again a big thanks to all of you working hard to update the interface and the 'restyling'. I hope when this is all finished, the sticky header will be unobtrusive and not noticeable like the ones normally found on modern webpages. --[[User:Lepido|Lepido]] ([[User talk:Lepido|talk]]) 21:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Left menu too wide ==

The main menu on the left is too wide and makes the rest of the page appear too cramped in relation to the menu. [[User:Urban Versis 32|Urban Versis 32]] ([[User talk:Urban Versis 32|talk]]) 00:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== The TOC, again ==

It just makes all look too narrow and tight, at least to me. I've been working on various lists projects recently and now they all look god awful because they had the old look in mind. [[User:Tintero21|Tintero21]] ([[User talk:Tintero21|talk]]) 02:08, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
==I prefer the old version ==
It's cool but I prefer the old version. [[User:Super ninja2|Super ninja2]] ([[User talk:Super ninja2|talk]]) 07:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== suggestion: collapsible table of contents ==

the appearance of the site is far too narrow. i would suggest making the table of contents collpasible to the left. [[User:Lettherebedarklight|Lettherebedarklight]] ([[User talk:Lettherebedarklight|talk]]) 12:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
: Me too. Also could be hidden, in options, so the user can read better the text. Now, it is too narrow and tight. --[[User:BoldLuis|BoldLuis]] ([[User talk:BoldLuis|talk]]) 13:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Line under title colliding with coordinates ==
{{Tracked|T310369}}

[[File:TitleLineColliding.png|thumb|alt=Gray horizontal line under the title colliding with coordinates given on top right of page]]

See image. The horizontal line under the title collides with any coordinates that are displayed on the top right.
--[[User:MimiKal797|MimiKal797]] ([[User talk:MimiKal797|talk]]) 14:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

:Even I wanted to state this same issue. [[User:Excellenc1|Excellenc1]] ([[User talk:Excellenc1|talk]]) 16:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

: Also the floating title can obscure content. For example, open the front page of [[b:Oberon|Oberon]] and scroll to the bottom. Click on instance "a" of footnote 43. That should take you to "MT, in V5, the constant address ...". In fact, the next glossary entry "native, modifies the name ..." is displayed. Not a terrible defect but baffling for a novice trying to learn. Thx, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|talk]]) 00:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
::I came here for a MeToo (about the coords/line collision). Classic Vector does not have the problem. Also, I think the languages dropdown is uncomfortably close to the coordinates; if you hover over that button you can see they overlap, which generates cruft when the dropdown is activated. Did anyone write up a ticket? [[User:DavidBrooks|DavidBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidBrooks|talk]]) 15:35, 9 June 2022 (UTC) - OK, I did: T310369 [[User:DavidBrooks|DavidBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidBrooks|talk]]) 15:19, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
:::This is being discussed in [[:en:Template talk:Coord#Coordinates bad positioning]]. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:32, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

== Great GUI ==

Everything looks very appealing to me. I think the blank left space really aids in reading as the width of the line reduces its easier for me to not to confuse the line which I have to read next. Overall I loved it. One suggestion that I want to give is that it would be very nice if you could change the visual of the tab. It looks a little too classic to me and would be very nice of you if you could add dark mode ( I don't know if it already exists), this I think would give a very appealing look to the website . Thank You. [[Special:Contributions/]] 17:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
: If you ever want to reduce the width of the lines you are reading, I suggest you just resize your window, as the elegance of desktop browsing is that it gives you control over the size of the page. As for me, this layout takes away that control. Using it, I can no longer read an article with the full width of my screen without fiddling with my common.css, a luxury that would not be available to me when I'm not logged in, and am instead forced to use ~2/3 of that width, even when the window is reaching into every corner of my screen. There are several ways of using dark mode on wikipedia listed [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Dark_mode|here]], but I agree it should be made easier. --[[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 16:42, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback ==

I was prompted to give some feedback on the 2022 Vector skin, and I have to say that it needs a bit more work.
* The mix of new and old UI elements doesn't look good; specifically the View, Edit, Edit Source etc. menu bar looks out of place among the flatter new UI
* There's uneven and unnecessary padding around the left pane with the many links that can be filled with the pane
* There should be an option to have the content filling any display larger than 4:3, as most displays are 16:9. I understand the argument that it helps some people in reading but having an option is better, as it doesn't help ''all'' people. Additionally, a poll should be run in all Wikimedia projects on which one should be the default (4:3 or full width) — [[User:Dimsar01|Dimsar01]] ([[User talk:Dimsar01|talk]]) 23:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Here is My feedback
*I see that the sections are not properly sectioned on the screen
*I am using dark mode and when I want to add reference or qualifier or something like that, I see a white suggestion screen
All in all I can say for now is that I really needs more work done and I can prefer the older one for now thank you
[[User:Micheal Kaluba|Micheal Kaluba]] ([[User talk:Micheal Kaluba|talk]]) 05:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== Short description ==

It would be great to have the short description visible on pages, like it is on the search and on mobile, so users can more easily edit them and identify information.

Like said by other users, the mix of new and old UI looks bad. The [https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale most recent prototype], for all its faults, had a well unified UI. I also think that the page tools (and "In other projects") should be separated from links for the whole website like was done in the [https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale most recent prototype], though there were many flaws with that execution (see [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing/Feedback#User: BappleBusiness|my comments]]), and all those links should be condensed by default. "Beginning" should definitely be named "Lead" or "Lead section", like said by others.

I really appreciate the effort that is going into this. I think the vast majority of these changes are for the better, it just needs more work. [[User:BappleBusiness|BappleBusiness]] ([[User talk:BappleBusiness|talk]]) 00:32, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Software Gore ==

[[File:Languages on Wiktionary with new layout.png|thumb|Software gore]]
This is pure software gore. If you want to explain to me why it's like this, you're wasting your breath. I've edited Wiktionary for over a decade and I understand how it's come to look like this, and I don't even have a solution to propose. But I feel terrible for anyone trying to navigate this mess for the first time. —[[User:Pengo|Pengo]] ([[User talk:Pengo|talk]]) 00:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Watchlist tooltip ==

Hi folks! I'm vaguely used to the watchlist icon (since I've switched themes many times over the past decade or so, and use the mobile app/website), but I still need to resort to the tooltips when I'm on my desktop. It would seem I'm not the only one that takes a moment to mentally translate the icon to the concept in my brain (per {{ping|Nardog}}'s earlier [[#Watchlist icon]] comment). I may stay with "Vector 2022" over on [[commons:Main_page|commons.wikimedia.org]] after trying it out for a bit, but please: could y'all change the tooltip so that the word "watchlist" is in the tooltip? Currently, the icon sports the the very verbose tooltip: "''A list of pages you are monitoring for changes [Alt+Shift+I]''", which takes a moment for me to mentally translate into "''oh, they're trying to say 'Watchlist'!''". It would be helpful if (in addition to the keyboard shortcut), the tooltip also gave the mental shortcut, perhaps with the phrase: "''Watchlist: your list of pages to monitor for changes [Alt+Shift+I]''". Since I'm guessing y'all aren't changing "watchlist" to another word, I can imagine it would be helpful for new users too. -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 04:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
:Yeah, given all the other tooltips are just "Your alerts", "Your notices", and "User menu", it seems to me it should be simply "Watchlist" or at best "Your watchlist". [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 04:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== I want the code to make the sidebar TOC disappear ==

Please. Ping me. [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 05:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

It's probably not too hard since there seems to still be a {{tag|mw:tocplace}} element left -- you need to grab the element, move it back and do some style fixups. Kinda like [[w:zh:User:Artoria2e5/Gadget-sidetoc.js]] but backwards. --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:43, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Ah well, I am pretty convinced that having {{tag|mw:tocplace}} but not the actual TOC hidden there is a bug now. If that gets fixed, it should be just some CSS work in your vector-2022.css:
<pre>
#mw-panel-toc {display:none;}
#toc {display:block;}
</pre>
May need to sprinkle on a bit of !important. ping [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:Yep, TOC disappeared, leaving a blank space. [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 16:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::Well, just gotta wait until they come to their senses. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 00:55, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== Space for article too narrow ==

The article took up less than the full width of the screen in the old skin, but the increased padding and needlessly wide sidebar here make the usable region even smaller. This just reproduces the issues that have had to be worked-around on mobile, including some tables being too wide to fit in the space and causing horizontal scrolling, creating the need to scroll further to get between sections, as well as causing some large image thumbs to squish the article text into narrow strips. In my opinion, the sidebar, which I think most readers rarely make use of anyway, should be consigned to a modal rather than taking up even more space, so that the article can appear centred all the way down the page. This would make room for fairly wide margins on either side without causing as many issues. (I suggest this because it seems the most noticeable "improvement" here is the addition of extra whitespace, but really, what is wrong with making full use of the window width you are given?) [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 15:50, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
: I came here to complain about the same thing - limiting the width of the pageview doesn't make sense when you have a lot of text to display. Especially the discussions became harder to read. [[Special:Contributions/78.11.223.83|78.11.223.83]] 06:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC should make the page slowly scroll to the right section, and not just jump ==

By the way, I'm still waiting for the code necessary to deactivate the lateral TOC. I've already disabled the sticky header by using .vector-sticky-header {display:none;} [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 07:51, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:That would make it take longer to get where you want to be, and prevent the user from scrolling during the time the page is sliding. The current TOC works using anchors linked to IDs, which means you can get back to where you were by simply paging back, but this, I think, would not be possible if the links were actually buttons triggering JavaScript animations. [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 08:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC not appearing at all ==

It seems that Vector 2022 is not showing ''any'' TOC -- neither the regular one nor the side one -- when it probably should. I noticed this issue about a couple of days ago but assumed it was an error on my side. Today I checked out [[w:Dmitri_Shostakovich]], tried to add a <code>_<nowiki>_TOC__</nowiki></code> magic word, found out it does nothing, and then realized it's the skin that's broken when I retried in a logged out private tab.

In a private tab:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Shostakovich?useskin=vector-2022 has no TOC right now, but
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Shostakovich?useskin=vector has a TOC.

What's going on here? [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:One refresh later it's showing the side one. I must be descending into some sort of madness. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::Annd it's gone again. No outstanding errors in the console. Seems to be sone <code>@media screen { ... .sidebar-toc {display:none; ...</code> in one of the many load.php's ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=ext.cite.styles%7Cext.echo.styles.badge%7Cext.uls.interlanguage%7Cext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript%7Cext.wikimediaBadges%7Cjquery.makeCollapsible.styles%7Cmediawiki.ui.button%2Cicon%7Coojs-ui.styles.icons-alerts%7Cskins.vector.icons%2Cstyles%7Cwikibase.client.init&only=styles&skin=vector-2022]). What. the. heck. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::The intention of the code seems to be to show the sidebar only for screens wider than a value. That's a good idea, but only if the original TOC is not removed! --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== Bold, yet very appreciated changes ==

At first I didn't like it. My first thought was that it took more space, so I got less content in my screen. I compared it side by side with the old skin and in fact, elements got more margin. But after giving it a try, reading and moving through the article, I fell in love. I really like that the TOC is now on the left and moves along with the page. It was OK before but now it feels fancy. And I feel more people are going to benefit from it now. The cleaner, more "plain white" look is nice.

I understand the decision of limiting the width of the page on (very) wide screens. In my opinion, it is a sensible design decision that improves readability. Because if lines get too wide, it can make it harder to read. Maybe this "max-width" setting can become a thing users can tweak?

I tested this new skin on a modern computer and a 1440p screen. If I were to use my old laptop, I'm sure I'd like to have the option to change to the old skin. As it fits more content and uses less CPU resources.

I appreciate this changes, and feel they are for the better. Thank you! -- [[User:Zazke grt|Zazke grt]] ([[User talk:Zazke grt|talk]]) 06:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

: I've temporarily switched back to the old Vector skin in Wikipedia because some pages like this one [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Video%20games Wikipedia:Portal:Video_games] have their contents very croped or overflowing their boxes. --[[User:Zazke grt|Zazke grt]] ([[User talk:Zazke grt|talk]]) 06:49, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC not immediately visible ==
{{Tracked|T309632}}
I am going to refrain from complaining too much as I'm prone to do with any and all UI changes :)

However, I do find the placement of the TOC particularly problematic. Personally the first thing I do when landing on a Wikipedia article is, usually, click on something in the TOC. Having to scroll down first to find it is, to me, very frustrating. [[User:Argymeg|Argymeg]] ([[User talk:Argymeg|talk]]) 12:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== Better font for Arabic/Persian فونت بهتر برای فارسی/عربی ==

As a Persian user, I think font of wikipedia is not good for these languages; Maybe Vazirmatn or other open-source good looking fonts could be better.

به عنوان یک کاربر ایرانی، من فکر می‌کنم که فونت ویکی‌پدیا برای فارسی و عربی جالب نیست؛ شاید وزیرمتن یا سایر فونت‌های منبع‌باز که ظاهری خوبی دارند انتخاب‌های بهتری باشند. [[User:Amiria703|Amiria703]] ([[User talk:Amiria703|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== It seems like the Page Previews isn't working for me here ==

Although the new skin looks more sleek, I can't use the (very useful) feature of Page Previews here. So every time I'm in for a deep read, I have to switch back to the old look. Please implement the page previews here too. [[User:SamyakShirsh|SamyakShirsh]] ([[User talk:SamyakShirsh|talk]]) 03:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there! Thanks for the report! Could I get some more information on this issue? Page previews is working for me on both Vector and Vector 2022 skin. Are you talking about the user gadget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups ? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Use the white page on the right for TOC and navigation ==

The mobie version of wikipedia app has this really nice way of navigating through sections by swiping eight. I think you can imlement this in the desktop by placing the toc on the right [[User:SamyakShirsh|SamyakShirsh]] ([[User talk:SamyakShirsh|talk]]) 03:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lone value inside calc() ==

The style sheet of the new sticky table of contents uses <code>.mw-table-of-contents-container { top: calc(-2em); }</code>. Is there a reason for putting a lone value inside <code>calc()</code>? [[User:Anerisys|Anerisys]] ([[User talk:Anerisys|talk]]) 09:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks for flagging.
:The patch introducing this is:
:https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/skins/Vector/+/789691/5/resources/skins.vector.styles/layouts/screen.less
:The use of calc is accidental, and I think a mix up our end with the appropriate LESS mixin. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Trouble With Zooming In ==

My vision is poor so I usually zoom to 200% on my browser and it is no problem. With the new skin that same magnification causes the sidebar to take up the top of my screen and I can't see the title of the article and know what page I'm on without scrolling.

== Opt-in/out for page tools? ==

There've been a few discussions on this page about the page tools links, but one possibility I haven't seen mentioned here or at [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Page tools]] is providing a way for each reader/editor to choose which links appear. For example, I use "what links here" quite a lot, "related changes" and "random article" occasionally, and all the others virtually never. Other editors will have different experiences. How about allowing us to reduce clutter by choosing what we want to keep in the menu and what we can do without? [[User:Arms & Hearts|Arms & Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms & Hearts|talk]]) 19:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
:+1. I just want to say this was the last straw that made me force legacy Vector on all sites in GlobalPreferences. Is there no opt-out aside from putting <code>tableofcontents=0</code> in the URL? No "Expand all" button? Why is there a blank space beneath the ToC? Why fade it out rather than show as much as possible? This is just user-hostile. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 16:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

== Tabs misaligned? ==

The tabs on the left seem to be next to the tabs on the right, as depicted [https://imgur.com/UfeemZ1 here]. This wasn't the case last week; should this be reported here or elsewhere? Please move if need be. [[User:Ifly6|Ifly6]] ([[User talk:Ifly6|talk]]) 07:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:: Hi there, could I get a little more information on this one? What browser and device are you using? Are you viewing this on a mobile phone by any chance? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== TOC hidden for some reason ==

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When I put my Wikipedia tab to one side at half-width, which I often do whilst multitasking, the TOC disappears for some reason, even though the other side menu (which is the same width as the TOC) stays? I am clueless as to why. All article text is pushed way to the right for some reason. It would make more sense for it to be centred on all screen widths, or to make the entirety of the left menu a solid colour like it was before.

Basically, the sidebar should be made thinner as the tab width decreases.

Also the lack of a TOC below the lead results in images fighting for space with the infoboxes of articles. There should definitely be an option to move the TOC to where it normally resides as I and likely a lot of other editors find that placement more intuitive. [[User:Miklogfeather|Miklogfeather]] ([[User talk:Miklogfeather|talk]]) 16:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:My whole left sidebar has disappeared this morning. I had to switch themes just to get some editing done. — [[User:Xenophore|Xenophore]] ([[User talk:Xenophore|talk]]) 19:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

== My many criticisms with this ==

Since it seems like Miraheze is also going to be using this new Vector skin as its default, I would like to offer mine and a lot of other users' criticisms with this new skin:

* First of all, the unnecessary dead space. The actual content space is now more narrow and there is a ton of dead space.
* The user menu is now completely messed up. The log in button and talk and contribution buttons are hidden behind the three dots, even though those are the most important buttons and should be readily available. In fact, there is no need for anything to be hidden.
* The giant TOC in the sidebar. It serves no purpose and just further limits content space.

I fail to see how exactly this is an "improvement". Also, the current layout of the skin looks nothing like what is described on the page. There is nothing about a smaller user menu. Currently, the new skin just feels off to me, and I would prefer that this skin be currently branded as "experimental", since it is far from finished. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 21:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

:I'm fine with everything except the user menu changes and content width changes. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 21:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]]. Have you maybe read our documentation where we present the reasons why particular changes are needed, why we've introduced the limited width, and what we're taking into consideration regarding how to use the unused space? I invite you to explore [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features|this page]] and its sub-pages. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I already did. I read through them more thoroughly and while some seem like a good idea on paper, the user menu and limited width do not really seem to be an "improvement", as there are now extra steps involved. The user menu is the most important thing for me and many users, and now I have to click on a separate button to log in. Maybe less limited width, since right now 1/4 of the screen is just empty space with the new skin. I still use the original Vector as my personal default, but I usually browse logged out. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 22:40, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Wikistories ==

Will Vector 2022 be influenced by [[Wikistories]]? --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 10:09, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]], what do you mean by influenced? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]: If Vector 2022 will be adapted for (compatible from a design perspective with) Wikistories. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 19:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:::@[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]], definitely. All the projects that currently are being built are compatible with or neutral to Vector 2022. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 16:47, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== Visibility Suggestions ==

Hi, first of all thanks for the work and the nice redesign. I really prefer it over the old vector look already.

I use Wikipedia mainly to get an overview or better intuition about topics related to my studies. For me, I prefer the narrower text for better readability and the persistent TOC on the left side of the screen. Makes reading complex pages a lot less painful with easy access to quick navigation.

I have some suggestions for the default behaviour of the current design:

* There should be an '''option to collapse the navigation sidebar/area''' by default (the area which contains ''Main page'', ''Contents'', ''Current events'' etc.). I am one of those people who rarely uses any of those links.
* More of an issue is due to this: The '''TOC is not always immediately visible as the navigation sidebar pushes it too far down.''' Perhaps move the sidebar to somewhere else or make it collapsible by default as suggested?
* Additionally, It '''should be more obvious that the navigation sidebar/area is collapsible.''' Currently the toggle is kind of far and disconnected from the area. I only found this out after wondering what that arrow ''<<'' meant.
* A nice addition would be to add '''more obvious indicators for current position in the TOC''' (loved this new feature the most!). I think right now the text of the current headline is just black. It would be cool if there was some highlighting or perhaps a dot to make it easier to see at a quick glance.

[[User:Devin.halsted|Devin.halsted]] ([[User talk:Devin.halsted|talk]]) 11:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

:I just noticed, that the toggling of the '''navigation sidebar/area''' does indeed persist. I just didn't notice because i switched between too many tabs.
:Something other I noticed, is perhaps that would be good for '''scrollable TOC''' to be more visibly "scrollable"? Right now there is no indication except that maybe some text is cut off. [[User:Devin.halsted|Devin.halsted]] ([[User talk:Devin.halsted|talk]]) 11:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Fifth prototype testing ==

:''Moved from [[Topic:Wx2jt9he9u1ipkpb]]''
Nothing about sticky header? The order of icons, the present icons for IPs, etc. [[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]] ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]]) 17:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
: Thanks for this comment, [[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]. As we explain on the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing|page of the fifth round of prototype testing]], that round will only be dedicated to considerations around the visual design. Pure aesthetics. The order of icons, selection of icons for IP etc., are functional considerations which may be discussed right here, on this talk page, regardless of the 5th prototype testing. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:38, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== General Feedback on Sidebar ==

I agree with other feedback that complains about the sidebar being to wide. This is a waste of space, please reduce the width a bit. However, I think it's not the width of the container but the left margin that makes people (including myself) upset. Therefore, I suggest to completely get rid of the left padding of the main container. Also please reduce the left margin of the article container to just 10 or 20 px. Even more space is wasted if the side bar is collapsed: Why is the sidebar positioned higher than ToC? This leaves free space on top of it.

You discussed that the lines of text would be too long otherwise. You could significantly reduce the length if you moved the side bar from the left side to right. You then would have (from left to right) ToC, article, sidebar.

Furthermore, the ToC should be on top of the other sections because for most people, ToC is more important than the other links. Although I understand the intention behind this to invite more people to contribute to Wikipedia, I still don't like it. [[User:GeographyMasterDE|GeographyMasterDE]] ([[User talk:GeographyMasterDE|talk]]) 09:16, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

== JPG screenshots ==

Just to point out that [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements|this page]], in which supposed design gurus are offering a lifeline to a wikipedia supposedly plagued by unsofisticated looks, is illustrated with screenshots saved in JPEG format… [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuvalkin]] ([[User talk:Tuvalkin|talk]]) 14:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

== Limited Content Width ==

I want to state my opposition the limited content width. I understand the research that the narrower format improves readability. However, there are number of good reasons not to adopt the change:

* Yes, [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Popular sites with limited width|many sites]] do use fixed width content, but in many cases their motivation is to use the space to sell advertising – a function not befitting Wikimedia. (Some news sites, such as those run by [http://www.gannett.com Gannett] have even taken the theory one step further and display all their articles as overlays – meaning that if a user accidentally clicks in the shadowed area on either side, they are frustratingly taken back to the homepage.) For this reason, full width content suggests a more reputable website. It implies a dedication to the facts, rather than attempting to fill the page with flashy content. (A [http://motherfuckingwebsite.com different website] has a more profane take on the concept. It doesn't deal directly with the issue at hand, but the underlying issue is the same.) This change just seems like another case of mobile overoptimization.
* Additionally, as correctly the noted at the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Additional notes|end of the page on the change]] is "part of what makes Wikipedia, and other Wikimedia wikis, a powerful tool for sharing knowledge is that there are very few constraints on how information is presented." For example, it's the reason that widths are specified in "ems" rather than number of columns in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Div_col div col template]. Don't get me wrong, I very strongly appreciate the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Establishing a common reading experience|need for a common standard]]. I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/Style_guide#Proposed_Aircraft_Manufacture_Aircraft_Section_Table fought for it] on Wikipedia. However, this is not the place for it.
* It is clear to me that the majority of commenters here strongly oppose limited content width. It is not to be confused with people just being afraid of change. Note that there are far fewer complaints with most of the other proposed features. I don't have access to the survey results, but a [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Repository/First Prototype Feedback Report#Summary of results|sample size of 230 users]] seems exceedingly small for such a major change. Furthermore, the commenters here are likely to a better representation of the dedicated portion of the userbase, as they took the time to respond here.

I would like to end by stating I am not completely opposed to the change. However, it should only be ''opt-in'', not the default skin. –[[User:Noha307|Noha307]] ([[User talk:Noha307|talk]]) 03:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

== Width and font size and color ==
As above, I don't like adding so much margin around the sides, or punishing people with large monitors by forcing them to change skins (which is not easy for everyone). If you are set on fixed-width columns, find a way to wrap columns within a section for wide screens :) rather than leaving huge vistas blank.

I like the move to slightly larger font.

The link color changes are most welcome. The purple could be a bit more red, to make it less pastel. Good to have a combination of "high contrast w/ other text" and "doesn't wash out on displays or projection in bright areas". [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 00:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== Section number in new ToC ==

I noticed that there is no section number in the new ToC. I hope the section number will be added again because I can quickly see how many topics there are on the talk page. [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 07:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== Move infoboxes out of the text area ==

Given that we are limiting the space for text and freeing up space on the sides, it seems to me that it would be much better to move the infoboxes to the left side, and stretch the text to its full width. Like this: https://znaniya.org/c/pushkin-aleksandr-sergeevich-8cab44. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 23:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
: I second this. Such a shame that this request is already explicitly [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Frequently_asked_questions#Will_you_improve_charts,_maps,_a-/f-/o-/tmboxes,_infoboxes,_navboxes,_other_templates?|rejected in the FAQ]]. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] & @[[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]], generally, we agree that it is a nice idea. From a reader's standpoint, infoboxes aren't pure content - rather, these are metadata and could totally work as something put next to the content area. However, these are absolutely content from the technical point of view (because these are regular templates). This issue makes it... impossible? to move them. For underlying infrastructural/back-end reasons I can't explain yet.
:However, there's a turning point. What would we work on after the Desktop Improvements? We're considering options for functionalities put in that (currently) empty area. So this topic may be revisited in the future. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], thanks for the answer! Note: We can create a separate edit area that will be responsible for the infobox, or we can move the infobox using HTML :) [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== July? ==

> ''We are hoping to increase the set of early adopter wikis gradually, until our improvements are default on all wikis in July 2022.'' 
Has the schedule changed? [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 00:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

:It has, @[[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]]. Previously it was June, now it's July. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 16:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], thanks! It's just strange that there was no information about this before. And the wikis was not informed about it. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 16:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Information was sent yesterday in Tech News. Also, this week, I'll send an update to the Village Pumps. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:30, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::: Yes, I saw it, thanks for that! But the day before yesterday, when I saw this, I got scared, because the community was not ready for this. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 19:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::We work with individual communities to help them prepare. We also don't ask the most "demanding" communities to prepare yet because Vector 2022 isn't ready to get deployed there either. We take into account that some prefer Vector 2022 to be closer to "finished", and then they would start thinking about preparing. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Language switcher opt-out ==

The new language picker is a deal breaker for me as an active editor who is working with a very diverse array of topics on Wikipedia. I write about [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Māori_phonology Māori language], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тэруха Japanese geisha], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Литература_Тайваня Taiwanese literature], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Эскимосская_кухня Inuit cuisine], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Парагвайская_арфа Paraguayan instruments], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мишон Vietnamese temples], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кабилия Algerian regions], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Берберская_кухня Berber cuisine], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кайна_(профессия) Arabic professions]. I write [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_exchange articles] that compare dozens of cultures [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Грамматическое_число or languages].

I need a way to hover over the list of languages to see the name of the page in a different random language (which can be anything from Korean to Twi). I need to be able to open 50 language editions very quickly to estimate if any of them have good illustrations or any new literature on the topic that I am working on. I often read the same article in 4 languages simply because I can read in a lot of languages and I am wondering which language edition has the best article. The workflow with the new language picker is tremendously stunted.

The main idea of the new interface seems to be making the page width more narrow. With that, there is a lot of free space at the sides, and I would like to propose putting a full list of languages there, as an option. [[User:Le Loy|Le Loy]] ([[User talk:Le Loy|talk]]) 00:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes, I agree, the decision taken now does not help advanced editors work in projects, but hinders them. I think we need to make a separate setting for the "always open" list. The problems of this list have still existed since sorting was removed. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 15:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{support}}--[[User:Wdpp|Wdpp]] ([[User talk:Wdpp|talk]]) 11:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Old version ==
:''Moved from [[Topic:Wxcz2an2ck4s4cdy]]''
After these changes are made, can I still use the old settings? [[user:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] ([[user talk: Ilovemydoodle|talk]]) 09:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes [[user:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]], legacy Vector will be available and you will be able to use it as your skin. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Incorrect language name for Czech ==

I noticed that for Czech (čeština in Czech) in the new look the first letter is incorrect, it says "Ceština" instead of "Čeština". I do think it is pretty funny, but would say it should be consistent with the rest of the themes.

I hope this is the right place for this, I didn't find anywhere else to post. [[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]] ([[User talk:Filiptronicek|talk]]) 09:46, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]]. Thanks for writing to us. Most likely, it's not within our area, but I'll help you if the problem still exists. Where do you see this? On Polish and English Wikipedias, I see "Čeština". [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:42, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi there @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], perhaps it may have something to do with Czech being suggested to me as a language? I don't have an alt account to test this with though.
::Screenshot of what I see on the English wikipedia: https://i.imgur.com/T40u7rN.png. It is some very interesting behavior. Thanks for looking into this. [[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]] ([[User talk:Filiptronicek|talk]]) 13:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

== Please take the interlanguage link (aka "green link") on Chinese Wikipedia into consideration! ==

The Chinese Wikipedia currently uses a green-colored link for interlanguage links in articles, and it seems to fail the WCAG AAA. These links can been seen at [[zh:Deadmau5]], for instance. These links are used a lot on Chinese Wikipedia, and I'm not sure if it is good for readers. If you want to evaluate link colors, please also take this green link into consideration, thank you. Looking forward to your professional advice! [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 11:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:I know these links are not part of Vector 2022, but they are part of the user experience, and currently there is a discussion at Chinese Wikipedia's Village Pump about the choice of color of them, so I posted my message here. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 11:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of content (ToC) ==

Hi! Since weeks ago I don't see the table of content in the sidebar like I used to do before. It just disappeared. It happens when I'm connected in my phone using desktop version. Best regards! '''''[[User talk:Miaow|Miaow]]''''' 12:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Miaow|Miaow]]. Thank you for reporting this problem. We're working on a better look of TOC on small screens. I also strongly suggest you selecting the [[Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions|advanced mobile contributions]] mode when you're using your phone. That mode is dedicated for mobile, in contrast to Desktop Improvements. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 10:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Better alignment for wide screens ==

[[File:Article with new vector.png|thumb|]]

Here's how the new design looks on my laptop with 2560x1600 resolution. Ok, I get it, you won't do anything about the max-width and you insist on using this path. But look, the parts highlighted with purple ellipses just look misaligned. It just begs for the following:
* Reduce the white background so that its right end matches the right end of the article OR insert something into that area. Having gray empty space is ok, but having both white and gray empty spaces look just silly.
* Reduce the header so that its right end matches the right end of the article OR extend the white background of the header so that it fills the whole width of the page (see e.g. how it's done on [https://stackexchange.com StackExchange] or [https://www.reddit.com Reddit].

Again, I get your rationale that having empty space is ok. But having a white empty space on top of the gray empty space... Don't you think it's a bit too much? [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 01:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: [https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/getting-started/ Material for MkDocs] is another example of what I consider a more successful implementation of reduced max-width. The main part has the same background (having same white background on the whole page would also look good on wiki) and the header part has background that extends beyond max-width. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 01:25, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::When we look to the prototype https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue%20whale?en (and https://vector-2022.web.app/Brown_bear), it's fill by "Tools", "In other projects", "Print, share, link" [[User:Koreller|Koreller]] ([[User talk:Koreller|talk]]) 08:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::: It looks somewhat nicer, but the white empty space is still there if you collapse sidebars or scroll a bit... Also seem to have different defaults for logged in and logged out users. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Launching New Version ==
:''Moved from [[Topic:Wxf5fv5pmxyyccdy]]''
When shall the new version ([[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing/Feedback|Fifth prototype]]) be launched? [[user: Stnts256|Stnts256]] ([[user talk:Stnts256|talk]]) 08:54, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: We hope to launch Vector 2022 as default by the end of July. You can use it already by [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|selecting this option in your preferences]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]] [[User:Stnts256|Stnts256]] ([[User talk:Stnts256|talk]]) 14:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keep watchlist in the sticky header ==

For an active Wikipedia editor, watchlist is likely the most popular destination when you're on some page. Would be great to keep the link there in the header, even after some scrolling. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Keeping alerts and notices would also be nice. And also for it to work on the talk pages... [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:26, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes, it bothers me that my control panel disappears. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 16:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Second that. The most-used buttons of the standard interface (watchlist, contribs, interwikis) should stay in place, accessible with one mouse click. With the proposed layout I have to press tab-tab-tab... and then ctrl-enter to get to the watchlist. Why so? I can't reliably use the proposed drop-down menu with mouse, it's a common age-related ailment. I'd highly recommend to retain at least some bits of usability-for-disabilities: no complex manipulations. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 09:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

== clear:both rendering on old browsers ==
{{Tracked|T309711}}

I have tried browsing the wiki on Internet Explorer 11 on the new skin for one last time before Microsoft disables it, and it worked well, except something I have noticed is that the CSS property <code>@media screen .mw-body-header::after { clear:both; }</code> causes the side bar to push down the content. When unticking <code>clear:both</code> in the page inspector or when the side bar is hidden, it appears as usual. While fixing it for IE11 won't be relevant anymore, earlier versions of other browsers might have this flaw too. Mentioning it just in case. [[User:Octobod|Octobod]] ([[User talk:Octobod|talk]]) 23:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the interwikis? ==

Is there a simple way to access interwikis, other than by going to wikidata? Also, having two quasi-interwikis for wikidata is quite confusing. Only the second one actually works, the first one defaults to wikidata's start page. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 09:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] - currently, the adding interwiki links is available from the sidebar: "Edit interlanguage links" in the tools section. In the future, we would like to add them into the language selector as well. We are currently working with our Language team on this - see [[phab:T290436|Add support for empty states to the current language selector]] in phabricator for more details. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 13:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:: {{ping|OVasileva (WMF)}}, I see. Curiously, "Edit interlanguage links" does not appear on the main page (at least in ru-wp). [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 13:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Suggestion: Round borders ==

I appreciate very much the efforts to make the design of Wikipedia less outdated, and imo this new design is amazing. To make it even better I would suggest you guys to put round borders in the boxes, so let's add border-radius:14px in these functions! This will make it cleaner and softer! [[User:Duke of Wikipädia|Duke of Wikipädia]] ([[User talk:Duke of Wikipädia|talk]]) 22:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Top margin in title ==

Just noticed the new version and it looks like the title's top margin was reduced. There is an awkward amount of bottom margin for the title compared to top margin and I personally prefer the previous margins. [[User:0xDeadbeef|0xDeadbeef]] ([[User talk:0xDeadbeef|talk]]) 06:55, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

== Very minor improvements ==

I just got the new toolbar this morning, and I absolutely love it! Finally Wikipedia does not look old anymore. But I would like you guys to add a little more than just a border for the active section in the toolbar, probably a lighter background for active tabs and a darker one for non active tabs.

For example, if I'm reading an article, the 'Read' tab in addition to the bottom border, it should be lighter. The 'Talk' tab should be lighter also if I'm in the talk section. This should work well with something like option 3 combined with option 9 (where the header and the title has grey background) in [https://di-visual-design-borders-bgs.web.app/Zebra this border and background demo here]. I like option 3 a lot so it would be good if you guys implemented it, haha.

I apologize if my English is not clear. [[User:Klrfl|Klrfl]] ([[User talk:Klrfl|talk]]) 12:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

== new table of contents ==

For pages with a long table of contents such as this one, the table of contents starts jumping to highlight the current heading. Would it be possible to consider smooth scrolling behaviour for the table of contents at the new location (as for example invoked by <code>.vector-toc-enabled .sidebar-toc { scroll-behavior: smooth; }</code>)? Or is there something like a frozen state or is/was/will be this rejected for another reason? --[[User:CamelCaseNick|CamelCaseNick]] ([[User talk:CamelCaseNick|talk]]) 23:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:Patafisik|Patafisik]] ([[User talk:Patafisik|talk]]) 10:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Sister project links ==
(From [https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente%3APatafisik_%28WMF%29&type=revision&diff=127968745&oldid=127933193 it.wikipedia])

{{ping|Friniate}} suggests to gather the Wikidata link and the Sister project links in the same place.--[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 09:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

== Impact ==

How does the team plan to assess/measure whether the Vector changes work towards their stated goals, so that we're able to correct course in case they don't? [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 00:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Great addition of ToC menu through icon wrt zoom !!! ==

I <s>have just</s> discovered a few days ago, in the french version of WP, as well as here in MediaWiki, the addition of a ToC menu, just before the title, that appears when the left column is NOT visible (at least effect of zooming), and '''this is a GREAT GREAT improvement, MANY-many thanks to the developpers'''.

There still remains a small bug that appeared with this change (at least I didn't notice it before) : the upper (collapsile) bar appears no more. It reappears back when zoom permits back the side left column (tested with an article page in fr.WP ; no appearance "here" while editing, or even while just reading. but I guess it's a different thing, maybe because this is a talk page : I get the same "behaviour" in a talk page from fr.WP : no appearance of the upper collapside bar even if a left colum ToC is present. Might not be a "bug", but a feature, though I would personnaly prefer a uniform behaviour).

Whatever, great thanks to the developers. 
  (Poke @[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] : thanks for relaying these improvements, and back, our comments. Best :-) ) 
  -- [[User:Eric.LEWIN|Eric.LEWIN]] ([[User talk:Eric.LEWIN|talk]]) 06:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Both the ToCs ==

(From the French Wikipedia [[:fr:Discussion_Projet:Am%C3%A9lioration_de_l%27interface_par_la_WMF#Sommaire_%C3%A0_gauche_:_ajouter_plut%C3%B4t_que_remplacer_?|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/24_mai_2022#Sommaire|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/26_mai_2022#Bug_du_sommaire|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/19_juin_2022#Tables_des_mati%C3%A8res|here]] and [[:fr:Wikipédia:Le_Bistro/25_juin_2022#Sommaire_dans_la_barre_de_gauche|here]])

I've already reported this to Szymon, but I think it will be important to have this suggestion also in this page, visible to all and open to comments.

Different users of the French Wikipedia consider the old ToC and the new one as two complementary tools, and they want both! Reasons: 1) for the context, the ToC should be on the top of the article. If we have the first part of the sidebar occupied by the wiki navigation menu, the ToC is too far on the bottom of the page, it appears on the top only when you scroll down 2) the layout of articles with illustrations is completely disrupted.

Both why?

"When I look at the beginning of an article, I expect to see a ToC with the main sections in order to understand how the article is structured (quite like in a Word document). This makes it easier to read.
The ToC on the left is then very useful when you scroll down the article and want to navigate between sections, but it is an additional feature. It should not replace the current summary, which is still useful.
Or it should be displayed from the start at the top left, when you are at the top of the article (quite like on Universalis)." (summarised by Pronoia [https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ALe_Bistro%2F26_mai_2022&type=revision&diff=194205255&oldid=194153014 here])--[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 11:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Интервики в правый блок ==

Сейчас правое поле статьи абсолютно пустое. Что мешает перенести туда интервики-ссылки, вместо их полного сворачивания, а также подходящие по смыслу к ним ссылки на братские проекты? Это позволит: 1) избежать совершенно ненужного сворачивания списка (бессмысленно его уменьшать, когда высвободилось столько места); 2) заполнить правое поле; 3) частично разгрузить левое поле, чтобы оглавление было лучше видно сразу на первой же странице текста (сейчас при текущих настройках экрана я во французской Википедии вижу в среднем две верхних строки оглавления). [[User:AndyVolykhov|AndyVolykhov]] ([[User talk:AndyVolykhov|talk]]) 12:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Languages in the new desktop interface ==

In the older interface I can select the interwikis that I need most and put them on top of the interwikis' list; same possibility should be in the newer interface. [[User:Leokand|Leokand]] ([[User talk:Leokand|talk]]) 15:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== minor issues ==

* The position at which the table of contents is sticky changes with the sticky header becoming visible/hidden. (<code>.vector-toc-enabled.vector-sticky-header-visible .sidebar-toc { margin-top: 1.5em }</code> vs. <code>.vector-toc-enabled .sidebar-toc { margin-top: 3.5em }</code>) With the sidebar navigation hidden, this makes the table of contents jump up by <code>2em</code> while scrolling.
* At a window width of exactly 1000px the table of contents on the left is displayed but styled like the drop-down table of contents and the drop-down button is still visible but has no influence on the table of contents.
* At 720px+ the logo is displayed, the username and potentially a language switcher. With my username on this wiki in German, the watchlist and the user menu are outside the viewport, so this threshold is chosen to narrow. Maybe a solution would be to move the username link to the user menu at 1000px and lower.
(For CSS rendering, I use Firefox v101.) -- [[User:CamelCaseNick|CamelCaseNick]] ([[User talk:CamelCaseNick|talk]]) 17:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Drop-down menues = poor accessibility ==

Repeating prior statements for clarity: May I speak on behalf of old folks with less-than-perfect control of palms and fingers. The replacement of simple "button" links (contribution, statistics, interwikis...) with drop-down menues becomes a huge inconvenience. In plain monobook, I can simply click on the interwiki, and hopefully get the desired tab at the first try. In vector-2022, I cannot reliably pull down the drop-down list and then select something with a mouse... it almost never works as intended. A very common age-related ailment, it just happens. The only robust workaround is to use the keyboard to "tab-tab-tab..." to the desired control box, and then "enter-tab-tab-...-enter" through the list. And, in case of interwikis, selecting the main (en:) wikipedia takes atrociously long time - instead of being #1 entry, as in old good monobook with my normal preference settings, it's somewhere down the middle of the list. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:46, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Irish language Wikipedia and Vector 2022 ==

[[File:Irish Wikipedia random article - Vector 2022.png|thumb|ga.wp random article screencap - Vector 2022]]
[[File:Irish Wikipedia random article - Vector old.png|thumb|ga.wp random article screencap - current Vector]]

Hi there. I'm [[w:ga:User:Alison]] - admin and bureaucrat on the Irish language Wikipedia. I'd be remiss in not providing feedback, I think, so here goes.

* I see other folks pointing out the massive amount of whitespace / padding in the left side navbar which is squeezing out the actual article text on the right. On our wiki, it really seems significant. IMO, article is all, and we seem to be sacrificing actual content real-estate for ... what, exactly? Yes, it looks 'less cluttered', but there's actually less content - especially for those of us who both browse ''and'' edit on laptop screens.

* On the top tab section (which is otherwise quite nice), you can see the ''Plé'' (Talk) and ''Léigh'' (Read) are scrunched together with no separation. I18n bug, maybe?

* The main image and title have lost their localization and now show "Wikipedia" instead of "Vicipéid" - this could just be an image localization / config issue. Could someone point me in the right direction, maybe? I did the original, later-font localization for our wiki, some years back, so happy to dip in and fix :)

Le gach dea-ghuí (best regards),

-- Allie [[User:Alison|'''Alison''']] [[User talk:Alison|❤]] 16:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

:multilingual Wikipedians: during redesigh include current non-english desighs for evaluation, including spanish, french and german. They have good ideas and bad ideas... [[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 01:10, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
: The "PléLéigh" issue looks like it's [[phab:T309223|T309223]], a known issue. Until it is fixed in MediaWiki, try updating your browser(s) – the issue occurs if your browser doesn't support a certain relatively new feature. [[User:Rummskartoffel|Rummskartoffel]] ([[User talk:Rummskartoffel|talk]]) 21:59, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hey there! Regarding logos https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T244486 is what you are looking for - basically every logo needs to be recreated. You can request one on that ticket to be prioritized higher or find information about creating new ones.
::Regarding sidebar whitespace I am not sure I understand. The extra padding is for the table of contents underneath the sidebar. You say it's squeezing article text on the right but in your screenshots the Vector 2022 screenshot shows more of the article text. I can see the description section heading for example.
::I can confirm the PléLéigh issue is a bug and will hopefully be fixed soon.
::Hope this is helpful. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 01:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== TOC-Feedback ==

I just recognized what disturbs me the most with the new TOC. I wasn't able to access the TOC without scrolling or clicking when using a community-Page. The main thing: '''It's mixing system and content'''. The TOC is for the content, but appearing on a place of "system". The "frame" is the Media-Wikisystem: accessing Community-Pages, Help, recent changes, user-page etc. Inside the "frame" is the content (the "article", the "book"...). Although it's kind of logical to have the TOC sticky on the side there are so many problems with it:
# the TOC can't be manipulated by magic words, which is a pretty well used functionality.
# the TOC can't be placed to the right, which is pretty often used in german wikibooks.
# the TOC is in competition with the other menus.
# the TOC is now at a place where normally links to other pages are placed.
The same fear of mixing system and content goes with switching the Header and the "Editing-Tabs" (Compare https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale: '''Blue Whale''' first, ''read/edit'' second). BTW the TOC works at this demo-page because the Main Menu is so short. But since this is not fixed (which is a good thing!), the Main Menu might be longer. A good illustration of the problem is visible just the paragraph above this: [[#Irish language Wikipedia and Vector 2022]]. The TOC in the Vector22-Example is completely missing!

So, just as an Idea: '''divide system and content''' - say system top&left (as it's always been) and content bottom&right. the TOC could be placed "always right" next to the text. At least please let the editor choose what to do with the TOC. I mean, wouldn't it be so bad if it's within the Content '''and''' at the side?

I'm fine with the new skin and all the work that has been put in, but the TOC is becoming unusable for me like it is right now. If it's really becoming permanent, it will probably result in "self-made-TOCs" which will break pretty often, because of the "wiki"-system. [[User:HirnSpuk|HirnSpuk]] ([[User talk:HirnSpuk|talk]]) 17:37, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== The new design is everything I feared ==

Jumpable, irritatingly movable buttons? Check. Sticky UI that eats up immense space both at the top (header) and to the left (table of contents)? Check. Tiny narrow line of text in the middle? Check. Buttons not looking like buttons, thus confusing me as to what I may click? Check. The language menu made objectively worse, with more clicks necessary to use than before? Check. Every single change is atrocious, negative, and honestly makes me feel depressed - I will either try to scour Reddit for browser extensions to remove as much of it as possible (no, logged in user things are useless to me as I'm never logged in), or I will leave Wikipedia for good (mental health is more important than knowledge).

Just look at this useless eyesore of a sticky table of contents ([https://i.postimg.cc/bz2zZM2C/2022-06-22-Wikipedia-English-51-UI-bug.png screenshot on postimage] - I hope, you aren't getting the ads, I'm getting none). Even aesthetics-wise, it's botched - the bottom is smudged, the top cut-off. And it's not even at the edge of the screen! It's an exercise in ugliness.

And just saying it here, this Wikimedia redesign is already making it unintuitive for me to write. When I tried to insert the link, I couldn't even see the [https://i.postimg.cc/qBp0ZvDS/2022-06-22-Wikipedia-English-53-UI-bug.png ''upload'' button] - because it's on the edge of the sub-menu (like on phones), not somewhere sensible, like on computers (again, compare how it is on current Wikipedia - a [https://postimg.cc/TpMNbPHg large nice menu with clear buttons at the bottom], computer design). [[User:Adûnâi|Adûnâi]] ([[User talk:Adûnâi|talk]]) 18:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== wordmark no longer appears after upgrading to MediaWiki 1.38.1, style bugs ==

After upgrading to MediaWiki 1.38.1 from 1.36.1, the wordmark no longer appears next to the icon in the upper left. If the window is wide enough, the 150px space for the wordmark is reserved but is empty. When you make the window wider past a certain width, the coloring behind the sidebar also vanishes. This happens with Vector 2010 in both legacy and non-legacy mode and in Vector 2022. The wordmark image is an svg that has not moved and still has correct permissions [[User:Queernix1028|Queernix1028]] ([[User talk:Queernix1028|talk]]) 19:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

:What is the value of wgLogos in your LocalSettings.php? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 14:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
$wgLogos = [
'icon' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/logo.svg",
'1x' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/logo.png",
'wordmark' => [
'src' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/wordmark.png",
'1x' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/wordmark.svg",
'width' => 150,
],
];
::It previously worked with wordmark src set to the svg file, but now neither that configuration nor the one above work. [[User:Queernix1028|Queernix1028]] ([[User talk:Queernix1028|talk]]) 14:32, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:I believe you need to set a height on the wordmark. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 00:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== Menus — https://di-visual-design-menus.web.app/Brown_bear. ==

*left side menu persistency is screen wasteful, bad idea
** use a tab like google maps?
*left side menu: should be hamburger only
**as an option for experienced, registered users
**need style sheet that puts ''left side column'' '''at bottom of page''' as a footer
*language list:
**should include native and english names
**include a user-customizable shortlist
*[[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 00:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

== Language links on Wikidata are right at the bottom of the page ==

I've enabled the new theme (Vector 2022) globally on all wikis. I generally like the new interface. However when I am on wikidata, previously the interlanguage links were on the right. (Where an infobox usually goes on a wikipedia page) Now they are right at the bottom of the page! Some wikidata pages are massive, and having to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the screen to do the thing I do most frequently on wikidata (add new language links) is a real pain. Please can you move the language links on wikidata back to the top (top right) of the page? - [[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]] ([[User talk:Rooiratel|talk]]) 14:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]]. Thanks for your opinion. Are you talking about the desktop view? What's the resolution of your screen? I've tried to narrow my window down and change its width, and it seems that the width thresholds when the interwiki links go from the bottom to the right are the same. Is there any setting you use that may make your experience different? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi {{ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} this is for the desktop view. I am seeing this behaviour on my 1080p laptop screen and my 1440p desktop screen. I haven't used the mobile view, so can't comment on that. - [[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]] ([[User talk:Rooiratel|talk]]) 06:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Infobox element alignment is mangled in mobile view ==

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but when I click on "Mobile view" with Vector 2022, many of the infobox elements are misaligned. Many elements that should be centered are left-aligned, and many elements that should be left-aligned are centered. At least that's what it looks like for me in Chrome for Mac OS at [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic&useskin=vector-2022 this page]. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 02:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:Wow, that looks odd. Thanks @[[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] for reporting this. Right now, I only have one question - why do you use the mobile view and Vector 2022 mixed together? Minerva is dedicated for mobile, and Vector 2022 is dedicated for desktop. Having these two at the same time is bold and original :) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::I was just doing some very beginner-level QA testing. Editors do all sorts of ridiculous things, so I try to do some QA testing by doing ridiculous things. If you want editors to use Vector 2022 for desktop-only and Minerva for mobile-only, then make the "Mobile view"/"Desktop view" link at the bottom of the screen switch between the skins. Meanwhile, I'll be over here in legacy Vector where I can fill my browser window with content.... [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:15, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Using the mobile domain with the Vector skin invokes a special mode with lots of odd behaviour. It's not part of this project but will hopefully get fixed some day. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:30, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== "Related articles" appear to be missing ==

I do not see the "Related articles" section at the bottom of the mobile view. I don't really care, but since the "Principles" section of this page says "We do not remove any functionality", I thought I'd mention it. It makes me wonder what other functionality has been removed, and whether this principle is really being followed in a systematic way. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 03:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

RelatedArticles appears to be working fine to me. I see it on Minerva. What do you mean by "at the bottom of mobile view"? The scope of this project is the desktop site so no changes to the mobile domain have been made.

RelatedArticles does not show on the skins of certain websites and has not shown on Vector or Vector 2022 unless the community has explicitly requested. See [[phab:T144812]], [[phab:T181242]] and [[phab:T278611]] for example. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 14:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
:I think this is my mistake. I was comparing [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic this] (default mobile view on en.WP) with [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic&useskin=vector-2022 this] (Vector 2022 mobile view) and assuming that the default mobile view used some version of the Vector skin, but I think that is not correct. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah okay. This mode is only accessible by a special URL and is not being worked on as part of this project. Thanks for taking the time to explain! [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== 非常に見にくい ==

日本語で失礼します。本日ごろから日本語版ウィキペディアのスキンに変更があったようですが、
# 文字の大きさをブラウザ側から変更できない(Safari使用)。
# そもそも標準の文字サイズが大きすぎる。
# 目次が項目名の横に位置が変わったせいでアクセスが煩雑になった。
# Infoボックスが大きすぎる
などの変更のせいで、余計見づらくなったような気がします。可能であれば改善するか、もしくは変更前のスキンに戻して欲しいです。 [[User:イカしたイカ|イカしたイカ]] ([[User talk:イカしたイカ|talk]]) 08:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Please evaluate CJK characters' font size in Vector 2022 ==
{{tracked|T311469}}
For your infomation, the Chinese Wikipedia already has a [[zh:MediaWiki:Gadget-large-font.css|gadget]] that increases the font size for a better Chinese reading experience. Japanese and classical Chinese Wikipedia also have such kinds of gadgets. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 08:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

:It would be nice if we could integrate these gadgets into new Vector skin directly. This would benefit other CJK and multilingual wikis. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 08:20, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]]! @[[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] FYI :) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I think we should create a phabricator ticket for this one. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback regarding Vector (2022) TOC ==

I've had Vector (2022) enabled for a while, and generally like it. However:

* I don't feel the new way of handling the TOC and side menu is user friendly. It took me a while to notice I could hide the side menu only to raise the TOC up the page, as I assumed it would also hide the TOC since the two are part of the same sidebar. With the side menu visible, I had to scroll much further down than usual to find the TOC on many articles with short lead sections, which undermined the convenience previously provided by the TOC as a way to skip scrolling and quickly navigate to a desired section.
** It also doesn't help that the [[w:Template_talk:Skip_to_talk#Broken_functionality_with_new_version_of_vector_theme|new TOC breaks the functionality of]] {{tl|Skip to talk}}, widely used on talk pages on Wikipedia, but I now understand that the change is intended to make that template unnecessary.
** The prototype [https://di-visual-design-menus.web.app/Brown_bear linked by others above] deals with some of these issues but is still a bit confusing. It's not clear that clicking "hide" on the TOC should result in a menu appearing by the article title rather than just collapsing it like collapsible lists which use the same "[hide]" links; while this behaviour can be learned, it's not clear why the hidden TOC menu button doesn't persist between the search icon and article title when scrolling down, which is what I expected after seeing it collapse to a button beside the article title.

* The new sidebar is wider to accommodate the TOC, but much of that space is blank so I'm not sure it needs to be quite so wide, particularly as the added width can cause issues such as galleries by default having less space for images per row. I understand the motivation is to limit the characters of text per line, but doing so by padding the sidebar with empty space seems like an unhelpful way to achieve that. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 16:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the watch/unwatch buttons? ==
Alright, if the article is long enough to be scrolled, I should scroll it down, the top row of icons will jerk left-right, and the "watchlist" icon will become the "watch/unwatch" toggle. Hopelessly inconvenient, counterintuitive, but it works. But what if the article is so short that it won't scroll at all? [https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D0%A6%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8&oldid=123611287 example] Seems like "preferences/watchlist/edit raw watchlist" is the only go-around, is it not? [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 12:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]]: There's a smaller star-shaped watch/unwatch toggle to the right of the "View history"/"История" link. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 14:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:: Thanks, that was most unexpected. I'd rather prefer old good text links. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 15:59, 27 June 2022 (UTC) The new star looks almost exactly like the existing GA star, just a different shade of grey (but in almost the same corner location as in standard monobook). [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 16:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:"Thanks, that was most unexpected. I'd rather prefer old good text links" - you're a Monobook user, am I right? This may be a good reason why it's most unexpected for you. Vector 2022 is based on Vector legacy (2010), and the star icon has been there for 12 years. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 01:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Merge notification block in the header: notifications and alerts ==
{{Tracked|T142981}}
For me, it has always been a strange decision that notifications were divided into two unrelated blocks and icons with incomprehensible categorization. I forgot about it, but now I'm paying attention again.

Given that we removed the text from all menus, there are now a lot of icons at the top that do not understand what they do. Different blocks of notifications do not help this at all. Maybe it's time to put them in one menu and break it there already? Filters, tabs, whatever :) But at least you won't get confused in the icons.

I personally still (6 years!) do not know what their fundamental difference is. I asked my friends and they don't know either. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 17:29, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{Strong oppose}}. The notices are the notifications that are not very important/urgent, unlike the alerts. Merging them would make me unable to found out at a glance if I have any important/urgent notification, and would also overload the notification box, as I receive many notifications. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 22:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:: It seems to me that it is possible to do this with filters and colored marker icons. Or a separate setting for users who really need it. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 09:47, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{Comment}}. I agree that the distinction could be clearer, but don't necessarily agree that there should be only one button. Presently, when both are empty the only difference between them is the header text and icon. Both share the exact same two buttons, which link to the same destinations. The text in the box doesn't even distinguish, reading "There are no notifications" instead of "There are no alerts". There isn't even a "help" or "about" link unique to each of them to explain the difference or what gets sent where. If you follow the links to the special page or preferences, it's still not clear which notifications are sent where.

:Based on the names, I would've assumed the difference would be that alerts are specifically for subscriptions to [[Wikipedia:Article alerts|article alerts]], whereas notifications would be for everything else. It makes sense to split them, since alerts would be activity that's less personal to the receiver. "Alerts" would be like a daily newspaper, but "notifications" are more like personal mail. Except this isn't how the system actually functions; messages to the receiver's talk page are placed under "Alerts" rather "Notices", for example.

:I understand that it may be helpful to filter urgent notifications from less urgent ones, but what counts as urgent or important? Shouldn't that be decided by the user's preferences? It would make more sense to have something like tabs, as Iniquity suggested, to filter types of notifications; this would let that user decide what is important. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 22:33, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of contents: Bold format for active section ==

I really appreciate the new skin and layout. In the beta, the active/current section of the article was formatted bold in the table of contents on the left side. But in the live version, it's regular and black. I find it really, really hard to differentiate between the normal blue titles and the active title, because the only difference is the black vs. blue color. Could you please make the active titles bold again?
Thank you! [[User:Lhennen|Lhennen]] ([[User talk:Lhennen|talk]]) 21:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:+1 Bold and black would be best imo. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lhennen|Lhennen]], @[[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] - thank you for your feedback! Not sure if you've seen, but we are currently in the middle of testing some [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing|prototypes]] related to this question. You're welcome to give us more detailed feedback on the prototype page. One of the things we're testing on these is the way links should appear within the table of contents (see https://di-visual-design-toc-active.web.app/Otter) for an example. Currently, our feedback is showing us that people are leaning towards option 2: bold and black so we will most likely be continuing with that option and making the titles bold. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

== Jawiki has NOT reached consensus on implementing Vector 2022 yet ==

Jawiki has '''NOT''' reached consensus on implementing Vector 2022 yet. Why was it implemented without our consent? [[User:AppleRingo777|AppleRingo777]] ([[User talk:AppleRingo777|talk]]) 22:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:AppleRingo777|AppleRingo777]] - we apologize for the confusion that the deployment process has caused and the lack of clarity from our side. We are currently working on reading back through our previous communications and clarifying the process and what happened with individual members of the community. We will to get back to the community with more detailed thoughts and a process for next steps by tomorrow July 1st. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 12:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] ==

Hello! I asked a question at the meeting, but I would like to duplicate it here. Will it be possible to control the location of blocks (right or left) through [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]? [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 15:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keep the TOC under the main menu as long as possible (Vector 2022) ==

When the window gets narrower the TOC is moved into a "Hamburger button". But the main menu stays where it is until the window get's quite a bit more narrower. I think as long as the main menu fits, the TOC should stay at its original place. Especially since the TOC behind the "Hamburger button" is quite easy to miss. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== "Move" is the only in the "More" drop down menu (Vector 2022) ==

I think it's quite odd that the "More" drop down menu most of the time contains only "move". Is it on purpose to make it harder to find for the average user? [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
* {{ping|L.xschlag}}, I have two items - the other is an add-on via preferences/gadgets. Unfortunately, I cannot use drop-down menues easily, so getting there in V-2022 is quite a nuisance. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Actions menu overflows when main menu is active (Vector 2022) ==

When the main menu is active (meaning visible) and the window is quite narrow the actions menu (Read, Edit source, Add topic, View history) doesn't get condensed in the "More" drop down menu, resulting in a very ugly overflow. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:41, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== Audio player issues (Vector 2022) ==

When pressing play from a wikipedia article (e.g. first clip in [[:w:en:Aftermath_(Rolling_Stones_album)]]), the page changes text colour from black to pale grey. Almost unreadable. This dead time varies from a few seconds to many minutes, probably caused by unsteady connection on my side. I tried opening 2-3-4... windows with the same article, and some windows seem to be stuck indefinitely while others play with minimal (but still annoying) delay. If I press play directly from file description page ( [[:w:en:File:Under_My_Thumb.ogg]]), it always plays instantly and the text always stays black. Win 10 Home / Chrome 102.0.5005.115 (64-bit) [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 19:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Language mix in the interface ==

Pardon me if this had already been discussed here. It seems that the language of the interface (as set in preferences) mixes up with local-language elements where it shouldn't.
# My preferences are always "interface=en", and thus I always see "Contents Beginning" in the TOC section - be it Chinese, Russian or Spanish wiki.
# The pink box above TOC in ru-wiki says "On this Википедия[sic!] the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Go to top." In zh-wiki, however, the message is correctly "On this Wikipedia the language links ..." [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the categories? ==
Hi this is my first time looking at the prototype, so apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere - where are the categories? [[User:MassiveEartha|MassiveEartha]] ([[User talk:MassiveEartha|talk]]) 04:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== 開発者集団は日本語版を軽視していると思われるThe group of developers seems to downplay the Japanese version ==

日本語版の利用者の一人としては、開発者の集団は日本語版を軽視していると考える。一つの証拠として開発者からの意見を求めるメッセージが英語だけで書かれていたことを挙げておく。機械翻訳があるのだから英語と共に日本語を添えることは簡単なことのはずである。それすらせずにVectorからVector2022への変更を強行したことは、一種の文化帝国主義であると評さざるを得ない。As one of the users of the Japanese version, I think that the group of developers disregards the Japanese version. One proof is that the message for the developer's opinion was written in English only. Since there is machine translation, it should be easy to add Japanese along with English. It must be said that forcing the change from Vector to Vector 2022 without doing so is a kind of cultural imperialism.--[[Special:Contributions/27.85.205.84|27.85.205.84]] 07:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== Vector 2022を強要する行為は、開発者が読者を軽視していることの証拠である The act of forcing Vector 2022 is evidence that developers are downplaying their readers. ==

開発者（の集団）はアカウントユーザーなら自分で好きなスキンを使えるのだから、あまり出来がよいとは言えないVector 2022を強要してっもかまわないと考えているようである。しかし、元々Vector 2022は読者として快適に使えることを考慮していない。開発者（の集団）は読者がいなければいくら記事を作っても意味がないということを忘れているのだろうか。It seems that developers (a group of people) are willing to force Vector 2022, which is not very good, because account users can use their favorite skins. However, originally Vector 2022 did not consider it to be comfortable to use as a reader. Do developers (groups) forget that it doesn't make sense to write an article without a reader?--[[Special:Contributions/27.85.205.84|27.85.205.84]] 07:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== Listed coordinates overlapping with header weirdly ==

for an example of this, see wp's [[:en:London|london]] article ([https://imgur.com/a/rEngM3R screenshot]) [[User:LarstonMarston|LarstonMarston]] ([[User talk:LarstonMarston|talk]]) 20:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

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== Where is the TOC? ==
People here are complaining about it. I don't even get one! [[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]] ([[User talk:Betaneptune|talk]]) 17:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]]. Do you still have this problem? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi ! I have the same problem on the French version of Wikipedia. The TOC just disappeared. The problem appears in Firefox desktop (last version 101.0.1), even in "troubleshoot" mode with all my add-ons deactivated. However, the problem does not appear in Chrome. This is extremely confusing. I reported it on some discussion page on the french version of WP, but I also mention it here, as I'm not sure at all where to report the problem for it to be taken into account. [[Special:Contributions/85.169.195.108|85.169.195.108]] 17:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
: The TOC is now on the left side, but after other menu lists. It should probably come first. But to keep things accessible, the (hidden) "jump to main menu" link should be kept as first element of course. [[User:Psychoslave|Psychoslave]] ([[User talk:Psychoslave|talk]]) 15:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
::Agreed. The TOC ''really'' should come first. The {{mono|#mw-navigation}} menu (which currently appears first) is comprised of mostly ancillary links unrelated to the page's content, many of which are rarely used (e.g., ''"Download as PDF"'', ''"Create a book"'', ''"Permanent link"'', etc). [[User:OmenBreeze|OmenBreeze]] ([[User talk:OmenBreeze|talk]]) 00:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Too narrow (again) ==

Why waste all that space? I have a nice wide screen so I want to take advantage of it. Those who want to have it narrow can just reduce their window sizes? Overall, not a great look. Not exciting. Quite boring.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] ([[User talk:Xania|talk]]) 11:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Xania|Xania]], you can read about our [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Limiting_content_width#Goals_and_motivation|goals and motivation]] for limiting the width. Also, we are working on a solution to use the empty space. Could you take a look at [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing/it|our fourth prototype]] and write more on what you think about arranging the space as it is presented there? Thank you in advance! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 14:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Oh my dear God, why don't you give an option to unrestrict the width?? It's beyond ridiculous how absolutely tiny is the page content on my monitor horizontally! I have to scroll all the time to read! Don't ruin Wikipedia the same way Fandom was ruined! [[Special:Contributions/90.188.46.13|90.188.46.13]] 04:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::We have given this option. This can be done with the [[:en:User:Jdlrobson/vector-max-width-toggle.js|gadget one of our engineers made]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 03:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks, but maybe we should have an easy plug-in system for ordinary users or, at least, the instructions how to apply it and a place where to find those customisations. By default it is really narrow to read and it feels like a news site rather than an encyclopedia article. [[User:Krnl0138|Krnl0138]] ([[User talk:Krnl0138|talk]]) 09:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::I agree, the toggle option should be there by default! By the way, that script does not work well currently, so I [[:en:User:Arthurfragoso/vector-max-width-toggle.js|updated it here]]. — [[User:Arthurfragoso|Arthurfragoso]] ([[User talk:Arthurfragoso|talk]]) 13:28, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::I don't understand why you are still pushing on us that bad design choice. It still is time to pull the plug and start to work on a plain page design. You are convincing no one here. Please, please, really, please stop this nonsense. Forcing bad choices on your users because you are the only product on the market is never a good thing.
::Since it has been forced without asking anyone on the French Wikipedia I had to register just to come back to the normal and good design. That's something, as a simple reader, I should never have had to do in the first place.
::So one last time, please come back to reason and stop hurting your user base foolishly. [[User:DerpFox|DerpFox]] ([[User talk:DerpFox|talk]]) 21:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Hello @[[User:DerpFox|DerpFox]], thanks for your comment. Have you maybe followed the links I've shared in my answer to Xania? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 03:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::The lines in the fourth prototype seem to be slightly wider to me on 1080p display than in the current version of 2022 vector design, but those empty strips on the sides, each of which are almost the size of the old navigation mv-panel, constantly remind about the space wasted.
::If the only reason of this thinning is the recommended line lengths in symbols and you want to keep it for any price, I would suggest using a dynamic font size, so, for example, starting from some resolution the symbols just grow larger. This might also reduce the eye strain connected to focusing on the small text.
::[[User:Kageneko|Kageneko]] ([[User talk:Kageneko|talk]]) 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
::I had a browse over the reasons for the change, but I still don't like or agree with the main justification more or less boiling down to "everyone else is doing it so we should too". Even in the linked examples, the page still feels a lot more "full" despite having a dedicated deadspace on the site, due to the way the page has been very carefully designed in a mixture of different kinds of block contents (images, text interactive eliments, etc).
::Accepted Webpage standards used to be against having blank, unused and waisted deadspace, but at some point in the last 10 years there seems to have been a weird shift to the opposite where deadspace is all the rage, though it's not one I've personally ever liked or agreed with.
::While I'm sure there are good uses of limiting page width, I'm not sure if Wikipedia, being a site that is mainly made up of text would really benefit from it as it's likely just going to squash pages and increase the amount of vertical scrolling required to navigate. [[User:Dave247|Dave247]] ([[User talk:Dave247|talk]]) 07:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah it's too narrow otherwise. the look is very nice, it's not boring as you tell. [[User:Crater bug|Crater bug]] ([[User talk:Crater bug|talk]]) 15:28, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
:I totally agree! I dislike the vector skin because how small it is. [[User:OverAWallOfMetaKnight|OverAWallOfMetaKnight]] ([[User talk:OverAWallOfMetaKnight|talk]]) 15:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:Agreed. I use a 3440x1440 screen (usually with a tiled layout), and this new layout forces all the content to occupy a comically narrow strip, instead of allowing me to choose the width myself. [[User:Emptyflask|Emptyflask]] ([[User talk:Emptyflask|talk]]) 13:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
:I agree, there is simply too much space wasted that could be used for more article space and a button specifically for those who want to edit wikipedia [[User:Techny3000|Techny3000]] ([[User talk:Techny3000|talk]]) 02:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
:hard to read I'm glad I stayed the same as before No changes required [[Special:Contributions/240B:11:E7E0:5E00:6005:3399:E6C:2B48|240B:11:E7E0:5E00:6005:3399:E6C:2B48]] 14:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

After reviewing the posted defense of the narrowing and the feedback listed here, this feature belongs entirely as an optional setting. It most certainly should not be the website's default. [[User:RightQuark|RightQuark]] ([[User talk:RightQuark|talk]]) 01:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:The defence of the narrowing seems to have little real-world bonuses. It may be theoretically good but makes it bad to read because Wikipedia articles can be long [[User:Torqueing|Torqueing]] ([[User talk:Torqueing|talk]]) 17:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm fine with the text being narrow but the ui and nav bar should be full width. --[[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]] ([[User talk:Thedonquixotic|talk]]) 00:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]], what do you mean by the ui and nav bar? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
::Not sure what is unclear here. I mean the navbar. As in the bar up at the top of the page with use account, search etc. [[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]] ([[User talk:Thedonquixotic|talk]]) 19:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I also have a wide screen monitor. I do not like this forced width shrinkage in the Vector 2022 skin. [[User:OhanaUnited|OhanaUnited]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|Talk page]] 17:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

In current form without a toggle for width this layout is unacceptable on large monitors. Even my old 14'' monitor. For now I am reverting to avoid having in forced horizontal white-space. [[User:Phatom87|phatom87]] ([[User talk:Phatom87|talk]]) 14:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

:Absolutely unacceptable, too narrow, an unjustified waste of space. [[User:Loupeter|Loupeter]] ([[User talk:Loupeter|talk]]) 10:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:It sounds like the fixed-max-width (assuming one's window is wide enough, and regardless of how much wider it might be) is a compromise between the needs of two different types of reading activities. I have both habits (skim vs detail-read), and felt especially the concern that the text doesn't obey what *I* do with my window. A reason I might widen my window is exactly because I want wider content. A comprimse necessarily isn't ideal for either one side. A better solution is to make it easy and discoverable how to get the *best* feel for whatever one is trying to do, rather than forcing so many to have a sub-par experience. A third-party gadget isn't discoverable and is surely more fragile than a first-class toggle feature of the skin itself. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 15:16, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keyboard shortcut does not focus search field in sticky header ==
{{tracked|T307024}}
When pressing the keyboard shortcut for search (alt + shift + f) the search field at the top of the page is focused, even if the sticky header is showing. It would be better if the search field in the sticky header was focused. As it is now the page will scroll to the top which is unnecessary. [[User:Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)|Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)]] ([[User talk:Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)|talk]]) 16:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

== Page-title and Search ==

In a nutshell, I believe
* the Search would benefit from being (a) more consistently placed, and (b) more accessible from the sticky header by having a larger click-target.
** See image at [[:File:Vector-sticky-header-version1-search-size.png]] (and more [[#Search_box_size_and_location|details above]])
* the Page-title is already visible in multiple locations, and ''might'' not need this additional instance? AFAIK only users with "Fullscreen - F11" enabled would hide the existing locations where it is already displayed, whilst scrolled.
** See image at [[:File:Page_title_repetition_and_cutoff.png]]
Hope that helps! –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 20:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback regarding the new language switcher ==

Hello, I am a French person using Wikipedia in both French and English. I usually decide the language of the article depending on the topic. If it's related to France, I know the French version is going to be better. If it's a general topic, I usually select English.

However, it's been a few months that the language picker has been moved to the top of the screen when an article is display in French. And I really can't get used to it. Sure, it's easy to discover - but it's more complicated to use. Having to click twice is a regression for anyone switching language frequently. An action that used to require half a second now takes 2 seconds. If you do this about ten times every time you browse Wikipedia, it does become irritating...

I hope this feature is not shipped to other languages, and France gets the sidebar back. If you want to make this feature more discoverable, maybe you could add a shortcut but keep the sidebar. Or display a tooltip once in a while to educate newcomers. But please, keep "heavy users" of language switching in consideration. Thanks {{unsigned|77.148.113.166|19:54, 25 January 2022}}
: I'd state this as 'what used to take me a second (finding the right language) now takes 10': Open language switcher, often don't see the language I want, have to search? want to see which languages have a version, have to scroll; don't have a quick way to default present all languages by-alpha. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 16:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
: I have to agree with this as another French person frequently switching languages on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. I should add, in addition to the intrinsic usability of the interface (I do agree it's a slight regression for my usage), the fact that most language editions still use the old interface (and most other sites using mediawiki, and the latter is likely to remain the case for a long time) means you don't actually get the opportunity to unlearn it. So every time I want to switch languages from a French page, I will first scroll down to the old location and waste 1s parsing the sidebar and wondering where the links are. I check out other languages almost every time I read any article and those milliseconds of irritation do add up. Anyway, I strongly think that “don't fix what ain't broke” should apply here! [[Special:Contributions/37.183.2.114|37.183.2.114]] 12:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

: +1 to [[User:Sj|Sj]]. --[[User:ThurnerRupert|ThurnerRupert]] ([[User talk:ThurnerRupert|talk]]) 18:58, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Often I use the language switcher not to navigate to the article on different language, but just to look up how that article is titled in a different language. In other words, using Wikipedia's inter-language links as a sort of dictionary. By hovering over the list of languages I can gather multiple titles, see their similarity between languages. With the New Look, language switcher became less accessible, though gathering titles by hovering still works there.
Also this new dropdown-based language switcher seems either to require tricky CSS features or JavaScript. Will it make problems for simplistic browsers like w3m? [[User:Vi2|_Vi]] ([[User talk:Vi2|talk]]) 17:48, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I find the language switcher the worst of both worlds of the two variants in the old interface. It can be annoying to scroll through 200+ languages in an idiosyncratic ordering (for example, كوردی [Kurdi in Perso-Arabic script] is filed under S for Sorani), but at least I can see them all and preview the name of the article in various target languages. With the drop-down menu in the old interface, I get the languages grouped geographically, and I can also search for a specific language, with the system recognizing many name variations. The new interface gives me a drop down menu with all 200+ languages in the same idiosyncratic order, with no geographic grouping and no ability to search for a specific language. [[User:LincMad|LincMad]] ([[User talk:LincMad|talk]]) 22:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I am primarily an active user on the Japanese Wikipedia (now defaulted to vector2022) and I agree with you completely.
Why doesn't this use the blank spaces on the left and right? No need to hide buttons and functions everywhere just to make the page look hollow. As for the other features, there are so many problems with the new Vector. I definitely want the old version to remain. I will continue to use it and not the new one. --[[User:Sugarman|Sugarman]] ([[User talk:Sugarman|talk]]) 07:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on ToC functionality ==

Hello,

I’m not sure how far you are in the development of the new table of content functionality, but I was looking at [https://en-toc.wmcloud.org/wiki/Moon this prototype] and noticed a potential problem. Here the ToC is on the side and that’s a good thing, but the ToC in the text have also been deleted and that’s not much a good thing. When there is a big infobox, the in-text ToC compensate partly or totally for it, hence the page arrangement take it into consideration for the position of the images. Now if you delete it, all the text will go up, along with the images, but the images can’t always follow, because the infobox, so the right-aligned images are going to pile under it, while the left-aligned will reduce the text to a very small column between them and the infobox. On fr:wp, infoboxes are very widely used, so deleting the in-text ToC is going to break the page layout of most articles (and rather probably upset the community). So I’d suggest that, whatever you do with the ToC, to not delete the in-text ToC until there is also a functionality to move the infobox outside the text too (that would be great by the way, as infoboxes always cause difficulties with page layout). --[[User:Runi Gerardsen|Runi Gerardsen]] ([[User talk:Runi Gerardsen|talk]]) 09:30, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:I would like to add myself as having this same concern about images. At present, image placement in many articles was determined by this factor of the TOC being inline, sometimes offsetting the issues of long infoboxes and allowing the first image in the first section to be right-justified (like anyone with any experience in professional publishing, I ''really'' hate left-justified lead images as they break up the flow of the text by interposing themselves between heds and text. Similarly, I try to maintain alternation in the justification of images since that mirrors the sweep of our vision and makes text with images easier to read (but of course you don't do this when it creates other layout issues).''When'' this is deployed, a lot of articles are going to suddenly have image placement issues at the top that didn't previously. And this will probably make a lot of people ''very angry''.I can see the need for the sticky TOC but I think it would still be better as something that could be toggled there from its current position while reading depending on how the user prefers it in an individual article. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 05:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
::What if we kept both the inline/in-text ToC ''and'' the sticky/sidebar ToC, but only display the latter when the user's scrolled past the former? A user preference could be added that forces the latter to always (or never) be displayed. I agree that the situation with images is a <abbr title="Pain In The Frigging Arse">PITFA</abbr>, but I really don't want to give up the sticky ToC either… [[User:OmenBreeze|OmenBreeze]] ([[User talk:OmenBreeze|talk]]) 00:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but until I manually switched back to "Vector legacy (2010)", then again to "Vector (2022)", ToC section was absent completely (neither new-style nor old-style). Also maybe, like with the language switcher, there should be [temporary] notice about ToC having moved to the left where it was previously? [[User:Vi2|_Vi]] ([[User talk:Vi2|talk]]) 17:57, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on new language switcher in French ==
As a translator, I litteraly jump from one language to another every hour of every day. It is simply unbearable to now have to go to a sub-menu to switch from French to English or Italian. That added click translates (pun intended) into lost time and nerves on a daily basis.

I'm not hostile to a more smartphone-friendly interface, and maybe that kind of switcher is perfect on a little screen. But it's not okay to make the overall experience so much unsteady (especially with the links being there for some languages and moved away for other ones) when

# switching seamlessly from one language to another is precisely the one advantage Wikipedia has over any other encyclopedia and
# my 32" monitor has plenty of space to display these links in the left column.

Last year I had selected the old Vector theme for this very reason and this morning, I was force-switched into the new Vector 2022 theme. So for the second time I'm back on the classic Vector theme and really, really hope it will stick.
[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]] ([[User talk:Herisson26|talk]]) 22:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]]. Thank you for asking here.
:* We've been planning to provide [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features#Language_switching_2:_One-click_access_to_preferred_languages|one-click access to preferred languages]] but it's dependent on the work of another team ([[Wikimedia Language engineering|Language]]). We can't promise anything in terms of the timeline yet.
:* What do you mean by "with the links being there for some languages and moved away for other ones"? You saw the new Vector on some wikis, and the old Vector on some other wikis, didn't you? I think that's related to the next issue.
:* Why you had to switch back again - [https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Caf%C3%A9_dos_programadores&diff=prev&oldid=62956756&diffmode=source here's my explanation]. We're sorry, this was an extremely rare oversight.
:* It's interesting that you write this interface is smartphone-friendly. Many volunteers note this. Out of curiosity, what makes you think that? Is this just about the responsiveness, or something more?
:[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 00:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]],
::* For a translator, direct access to "preferred" languages is not enough. I need the complete list of languages, as it exists on old Vector. My preferred languages would be French, English, Spanish and Italian, but I will regularly read directly a page in Japanese, Portuguese or any other if it's the one that will get me the information I'm looking for (which is quite often the case when dealing with foreign people). So limiting direct access to a select few languages will still break Wikipedia for me.
::* Yes, lots of wikis use old Vector while the French one uses the new ones. It completely breaks the user interface. It is of utmost importance to me that all Wikipedia pages have the same layout, whatever the language. I understand the need to test things, but when you make a public switch that impacts the ergonomics of the site, it should be made across all languages. Maybe make the change per-user instead of per-language if you don't want to switch everyone at once.
::* Nothing to do with responsiveness. Smartphones don't have the physical space to display the language list and the article content at the same time, so having a button on the top of the page to show/hide the language panel makes sense. It does NOT on computers, which have plenty of free space for the left column and the traditional language list.
::[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]] ([[User talk:Herisson26|talk]]) 08:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Very bad indeed. The French version of Wikipedia, which has put all interwiki language links in a dropdown menu, is most annoying. It is a big waste of time, and not user-friendly at all. To switch to the article in another language, instead of having the whole choice displayed at once and just having to click, one now has to go back up to the right-hand corner of the article, click on the dropdown menu, scroll down the list until the desired language apears, click again... This change is not an improvement. It tends to isolate each linguistic version of Wikipedia, by rendering the language switching much harder. If ever it is useful for smartphones, please change the layout for mobiles only ("m" version of Wikipedia), but not for the desktop version. This cumbersome change should NOT be extended to other Wikipedias, and the French version should revert as soon as possible to a user-friendly layout, such as that of the English language Wikipedia. [[User:Baronnet|Baronnet]] ([[User talk:Baronnet|talk]]) 15:49, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] very cool that you bring one click different language!! would you please include the language team in this discussion here, and provide a link so people can view the progress? --[[User:ThurnerRupert|ThurnerRupert]] ([[User talk:ThurnerRupert|talk]]) 18:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== TOC Feedback ==

I noticed that the newest designs for the table of contents do not allow for it to be collapsed. I think the ability for the TOC to be collapsed is very important, specifically for users that have a touchscreen laptop. I and a friend of mine often use our left hand and our touchscreen to scroll articles because on our laptops it is often easier to scroll quicker than to use the touchpad. If the TOC remained expanded we might accidentally tap a link. A button to collapse it and a preference to expand or collapse it by default would be nice. [[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 20:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]]. Indeed, the first version of the TOC was not possible to be collapsed. This was because the results of user testings (both in-person and on-wiki) didn't indicate that the functionality was important. Now, given the feedback we've collected, we've decided to consider options how to make the TOC collapsible. In this context, what do you think about our [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear newest prototype]? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 13:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] Thank you for responding!

:::Hi, @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], I came to this page to ask whether the ToC can be moved from the sidebar, and really like the prototype. However it seems to be malfunctioning in Safari 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13): https://imgur.com/a/O0Jhti1
:::Thanks. [[User:HughLilly| —Hugh]] ([[User talk:HughLilly|talk]]) 05:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

::My feedback:
::* I really dislike the usage of the bracket type of buttons for <code>[hide]</code> and think a OOUI button or a smaller alernative should be used instead.
::* I like that all of the headers in the TOC are collapsed by-default, however, I think they when you're scrolling inside of a section, they need to expand and collpase as you go through one section to another. I've seen this functionality on other platforms and it allows the reader to understand the outline better when they're viewing the article.
::* The hiding action of the TOC has an inconsistent navigational pattern. UIs should always require the same amount of actions to disable something as to enable something. That always feels the most natural. Hiding the TOC for its default position requires one button press, but to return it back to its previous state requires two. Also, its location next to the title and then how it switches to the upper left to become sticky is really weird too. I don't like either of those locations. I was thinking it could look something like this collapsed and you could press the icon on the right to both collapse and expand it:
::[[File:MediaWiki table of contents collapsed idea.png|frameless]]
::[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 00:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, i just cant find the table of contents, i need it for easier navigation. please, help

== Sticky header in the namespace Project ==

([[:fr:Discussion_utilisateur:Patafisik_(WMF)#En-tête_figé_et_accès_aux_langues|original discussion in French]])

Hi,

a user suggests to add the sticky header in the namespace Project too, not only in [[Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements#Talk_page_and_page_history|Talk pages or History pages]] (see for exemple [[phab:T289641#7365946]] and [[phab:T299115]]). Best regards, [[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 09:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

== Left margin menu pushes down content ==
I normally use Monobook, but happened to get into the new Vector. Odd experience. The search box was absent and I had to scroll down for the content. I now see that you are supposed to click the magnifying glass to get the search box. OK. But the scrolling?

It seems the new Vector tries to guarantee wide enough space for the content. Perhaps that's what people surfing with maximised windows expect, but if you have a narrower window, is that really optimal? To get the left margin menu to the left of the content, I need a window some 1000 px wide. This "minimum" width gives me lines of about 100 characters, while I've heard reading is easiest at 47–72 or something like that. I like to have several windows open in parallel, and a narrower windows makes them fit better.

Anyway, if one's browser window is narrow, for whatever reason, does the empty space to the right of the margin menu really give the best possible experience? Is the 100 char width something that needs to be guaranteed for those planning layout of individual articles? (This experience is with Firefox 91.7.0esr on Debian.)

–[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 20:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

== Questions I shouldn't need to ask ==

I can tell WMF developers put a lot of work into this, but I'm sorry, this isn't cutting it. This latest prototype is Vector in name only. It's a completely different look and a completely different experience.
* Why do I have to click twice to get to my talk/contribs/preferences?
* Don't you think you could have fit those important links if you didn't go overboard on the whitespace or if the search bar wasn't so enormous?
* Is the language switcher really so important that it belongs in the sticky menu?
* I had to think for a few seconds about what the hamburger/star icon was (it's the Watchlist). Why are the icons necessary? I'll answer this one — too much whitespace at the top.
* Why is the new interface such a step down for the editors who will have to use it every day?
* ''And why are you still trying to put a hamburger menu on a desktop site?''

It's not all bad — I do think the max width improves readability. But that was already present on previous less-bad prototypes.

We were promised "improvements" to Vector, and what we're getting is an entirely new (and entirely inferior) skin. If this is really going to still be called Vector, that is highly misleading. The early comments that "total replacement is not an option" don't make a lot of sense now that Wikipedia appears to be getting exactly the top-down redesign I had feared this project would produce. Pigs will fly before this gets deployed to English Wikipedia ''without'' the community getting their pitchforks. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 04:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

: I went into Preferences to turn off the changes and I saw that the software is now treating "vector-2022" as a new skin. This is better than what I thought was going on but maybe there should be a more original name>
: Also, wouldn't it be a much better use of developer time to, say, work on the many unresolved Community Wishlist items? —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 17:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Pythoncoder|Pythoncoder]], thanks for these comments. I'd just like you to know that I'm working on an answer for you and I'll paste it soon. You've asked many important and basic questions (like the one about the Community Wishlist Survey), and I'm truly happy that you've done that. It's much better to clarify the basics. You don't know whether these are clear as long as no one questions it. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 00:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::: {{ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} I should have made it more clear above, but most of my comments are regarding the Fourth Prototype. And now that I read through my earlier comments it makes sense to make the sidebar collapsible in case readers don't want distractions. I believe the sidebar is shown by default so please disregard my complaints in that area. This is why I shouldn't edit when I'm sleep-deprived. I do still think the new skin needs a new name though. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::: Also re: wishlist, I suspect the two projects are probably worked on by completely different dev teams. Again, I'm sorry for the passive-aggressiveness above. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Hello @[[User:Pythoncoder|Pythoncoder]], no worries, I'm really glad you've figured some issues out yourself! Would it be possible for you to state what remains unclear? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::I think it mostly boils down to the amount of whitespace at the top and the hiding of important links such as talk, contribs, and login under a dropdown. I think this should be fixed. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

== Sticky header doesn't show the name or the logo of the project: the risk of loss of identity for Wikimedia sister projects ==
([[wikt:fr:Wiktionnaire:Wikidémie/mars_2022#Interface_bureau_%3A_venez_tester_le_quatrième_prototype|From French Wiktionary]])

{{Tracked|T293395}}

"I'm still observing the same problem when using this new skin: if you scroll down the page, it's impossible to know on which Wikimedia project you're on. The sticky header doesn't include the name of the site you are on, which is penalizing users for sharing screenshots, but also for identifying the editorial lines/ editorial policies of the different projects. Sister projects have important specificities. On the French Wiktionary, we already have people complaining that they can't find the content they expect to see on Wikipedia, and we have to tell them that it doesn't belong on the Wiktionary. I'm afraid that the phenomenon will only get worse."-Translated by --[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 13:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

(original message: ''"J’observe toujours le même problème, que je constate au quotidien en utilisant ce nouvel habillage : on ne sait pas sur quel projet on est dès que l’on défile un peu. L’en-tête fixe n’intègre pas le nom du site sur lequel on se trouve, ce qui est pénalisant pour le partage de capture d’écran, mais aussi pour l’identification des lignes éditoriales des différents projets qui ont des spécificités importantes. On a déjà actuellement des gens qui se plaignent de ne pas trouver tel contenu qu’ils s’attendent à voir sur Wikipédia, et à qui on doit répondre que ça n’a pas sa place sur le Wiktionnaire. Je crains que le phénomène ne fasse qu’empirer. [[user:Noé|Noé]] 29 mars 2022 à 12:37 (UTC)"'')

== The "sticky table of contents" is the worst among all the bad changes ==

I am sorry, but this sticky table of contents is such an eyesore, its sole addition might make me quit reading Wikipedia altogether. I'm not exaggerating, a similar update to Liquipedia made me want to avoid that project. It's more than an annoying waste of screen space - it also makes the different parts of the table of contents bold depending on where in the article my screen is, and thus it triggers my OCD, and it simply irritates me. I hate these moving parts in forced mobile designs.

> "The results of our 3rd prototype testing showed an overwhelming support for the proposed table of contents."

Have they? I don't see any discussion here.

> "The new table of contents will be persistent - users will have access to it at all times. It will also make it easier to understand the context of the page."

Are the TikTok memes reality? Excuse me, but I don't randomly forget what page or section I'm reading, thus I don't need a sticky title on my screen at all times.

> "In addition to that, it will be possible to navigate to different parts of the page without having to scroll all the way back to the top."

How is that "need" in any way difficult? It's one button on the keyboard - called ''Home''. Or you hold the slider on the right and jerk it up in a millisecond. But I suspect I know where "scrolling" is an issue - on mobile phones. This entire update in an exercise in transitioning a fine desktop UI from the 2000s which I had an honour to fall in love with in the 2010s to the non-constructive, downgraded, annoying and irritating experience of mobile phones.

Thankfully, not all projects choose to go this way. For an example of a new encyclopaedia with a traditional design, see the immensely popular Korean Namu Wiki. [[User:Adûnâi|Adûnâi]] ([[User talk:Adûnâi|talk]]) 12:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

:100% agree. [[User:Football Lab|Football Lab]] ([[User talk:Football Lab|talk]]) 09:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== some feeback on the layout ==

I really like the preview, it is much cleaner, a few thoughts from viewing this on desktop (I saw the Blue whale article and the Potato article):

# The 'in other projects' section is really nice, however I wonder what would be a sensible heirachy for this. Should it be contextual based on the topic or something else? Currently its suggesting me WikiNews which isn't relevant or a particularly well maintained Wikimedia Project. Also the other projects is more about navigating to other information on that topic, rather than being a tool, I wonder if it should be under the TOC instead? Its more about navigating information on the topic rather than using a tool.
# I'm not sure if this is intended, the images sit on top of the sections instead of being displayed along the side the text, especially for portrait format images this creates a lot of empty space.
# When logged out having the TOC on the left is really nice, works really well. But when I'm logged in the TOC is hidden under half of the tools but then the other half is on the right hand side is quite confusing. I realise this is a really difficult thing to organise, maybe it could live under the TOC? There isn't a clear deliniation between reading and contributing which is confusing.
# The taxonomy templates at the bottom are pretty broken and make long lists, also lists within the Potato article lose their formatting meaning on the page for potato the list of synonyms is one column wide making a very long section which isn't going to useful for a general reader right in the middle of the article. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 18:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

== I hate the new TOC ==

I was directed here from [[phab:T273473]]. That left-of-the-article TOC is a horrible nightmare. I absolutely hate it. I would seriously avoid any website that forced it upon me. Can't scroll it out of sight, can't collapse it, can't disable it, takes up too much space, I hate it I hate it I hate it. This was the reason I switched back to Vector classic on beta cluster. (and if Vector classic gets it too I'll switch to Monobook, Timeless or just murder it with a userscript) I'm not much of a fan of Vector 2022 (but it's not a lost cause, just needs work), but this TOC pushed me over the edge. As a personal note: I rarely use the existing TOC. But I can scroll it out of sight so it doesn't bother me. If the TOC went completely missing tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it. Having this big, (to me) useless thing that contrasts with the main content (it's much darker) permanently in my field of vision greatly annoys me. And because of the fixed position, my banner blindness fails to kick in. This results in pure hatred for something that, on the face it, could seem innocuous. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 16:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:I was not "directed" anywhere, I blundered onto here after finally finding information about this new skin. And let me be clear, APART from the ridiculous handling of the TOC, the new skin is great, precisely BECAUSE, before the TOC-debacle, this skin allowed me to get more of the article on the screen, and allowed me to hide the standard list of menu choices that I only need 0.something % of the time.

:So, please, Please, PLEASE make that TOC hideable! It's perhaps (!) a great default for newbies, but it's a bloody nuisance for us who usually never use the TOC, and if we do, we know where to find it! [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 21:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
::I totally agree. [[Special:Contributions/185.53.157.151|185.53.157.151]] 08:13, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], right, it's not that easy to get here. We'll put link to the project page on the list of available skins in preferences. The task is documented as [[phab:T307113|T307113]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:Hey @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] - thanks for talking to us. It’s good to hear you were using Vector 2022. I hope that you will switch back to it. In terms of the table of contents, you raise good points. A lot has been happening since you wrote your comment, so my answer is longer than it would have been last week.
:* The first version of the design was based on the feedback we got on our previous prototypes from readers and editors (see [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Repository/Sticky Header and Table of Contents User Testing#toc-intro|in-person reader & editor testing]] and [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Third prototype testing|on-wiki community testing]]).
:* That said, we have not yet made the design final. We are working on different ideas for the visual design of the entire site. We'll make the main content of the page be the primary focus of attention, even when other navigational elements (such as the ToC) are present. If you’re interested in following along with that work, most of it will be tracked on [[phab:T301780|T301780]] and in subtasks of that ticket.
:* We are also considering the way the ToC will display at smaller resolutions ([[phab:T306904|T306904]], [[phab:T306660|T306660]]) and looking into some options for collapsing it that could work for wider screens as well.
:* As you can see, people like you who have chosen Vector 2022 individually share a lot of feedback with us now. [[phab:T307004|T307004]], [[phab:T306562|T306562]] are some examples on things we are or will be working on.
:* In the meantime, we will be A/B testing the ToC on the pilot wikis. Our hypothesis is that the ToC will decrease the amount that people have to scroll to the top of the page to switch to a different section. The design might also vary once we have the results of the test.
:* Since these changes might take a little while to reach the beta cluster, we would also encourage technically-skilled folks to set up a script or gadget to make a temporary solution.
:And... yeah, [[Newsletter:Desktop Improvements updates|subscribe to our newsletter]], join our office hours ([[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Updates/Talk to Web|tomorrow]] or [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Participate|later]]) and talk to us more. Thank you! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]], here's another thought: [[wikt:reverse]]. It's not a long page, but that TOC is so bloody huge a full HD display isn't enough to read ''any'' of the actual page content without scrolling. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 01:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Right, right. Let's just take a look at [[:pl:Gramatyka języka fińskiego]]. I mean, this is an edge case, and as such, it's not that critical. From what I know, all TOC sections aren't uncollapsed by default, and you need to make an effort to see the full TOC. Is this your experience, too, @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]]? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::::[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]], sorry for being possibly unclear. It was just a thought about the classic inline TOC which is disproportionally huge on Wiktionary, so it's something to think about when designing a new TOC. On the Gramatyka page on plwiki you at least get the intro without scrolling and the page actually ''is'' very long, so it's understandable the TOC also gets big. I've taken a look at the CSS (should have done that sooner) and simply disabling "position:sticky" stops the new TOC from being so infuriating. IMHO that should be the default, or at the very least, proper research should be done into this. Not only to determine by majority vote what users prefer (I wouldn't be surprised if sticky wins a binary majority vote) but also how crazy either option can drive users who ''don't'' like it. Pleasing a majority is no good if it causes a minority to be greatly aggravated. While I personally can get around it using technical means, that isn't true for most people. I'll also note that the experience on devices that are primarily controlled with a touchscreen may very well be different. With a keyboard, scrolling back up to the TOC is nearly no effort. Just press "home" or hold "page up". With a touchscreen, not so much, so I can see why sticky might have a greater appeal there. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 07:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::What TOC? I don't get any such thing. [[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]] ([[User talk:Betaneptune|talk]]) 17:36, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
:100% agree. [[User:Football Lab|Football Lab]] ([[User talk:Football Lab|talk]]) 09:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== Watchlist icon ==

[[User:Schierbecker|Schierbecker]] [[Topic:Wu23w3nlomndp5f1|wrote]]:
<blockquote>The watchlist icon too closely resembles a hamburger menu button. I can see many clicking the button thinking it is a dropdown menu. Some may lose unsaved edits after clicking it.</blockquote>

I completely agree, but not really because it resembles a hamburger button but because it's sandwiched (no pun intended!) between dynamic menus. If there was the dropdown arrow next to the interlangs, alerts and notices buttons just like the personal menu, it would communicate more clearly that the watchlist button is a simple link and not a menu. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 02:38, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks for this comment, @[[User:Nardog|Nardog]]. We'll think how we could improve this. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:55, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

== Sidepanel is bloated ==

Tonight size of left panel is increased too much. It covers more than ¼ screen now.
https://imgur.com/3YJlcii
Can I reduce size of panel, as it was before? [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 21:18, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
: Agreed. I feel there's too much white space padding the left and right of the sidebar. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 00:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] @[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] thank you for these reports. It seems like you may have your browser window zoomed in, is that correct? Also, if you are able to please add any additional thoughts, needs, screenshots, and ideas to this task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306660. [[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AHollender (WMF)|talk]]) 14:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::No, my browser not using zoom. I using personal css with font-size 14pt, but when I login to other account without personal css, the sidepanel still terrible huge.
::https://imgur.com/l8bIrDF [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 15:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]]: Apologies, I should have clarified. The sidebar here is fine; the one at Wikipedia isn't. Resetting the zoom level on Wikipedia doesn't address the issue; there's still a lot of white space padding the element. I'll leave this discussion and focus on [[#I oppose the new sidebar/TOC]] and the mentioned Phabricator ticket, which describes my issue more accurately. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 15:10, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

::: The ambiguity and confusion evident from the preceding discussion suggests that the interface has become to complex. Aren't the original sidebar and TOC at the top of the page enough? Why change? Is another popup menu necessary to switch language? What about setting language in user preferences? Simplify, simplify, simplify. Regards, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|talk]]) 00:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC limit doesn't work anymore ==

It seems that this "sidebar TOC" has different classes, making [[:en:Template:TOC limit]] doesn't work anymore. [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 07:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Templates can only control the content of an article so [[en:Template:TOC_limit/styles.css]] won't apply outside the article area so new classes won't help here. A magic word would need to be added so support this use case if important and time allows. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 15:37, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

== I oppose the new sidebar/TOC ==

Please make it possible for the users to collapse the left sidebar/TOC or to reduce the white space size. I for one use a browser sidebar (Sidebery) as well as 150% or even bigger text size. Combined with the forced sidebar/TOC, the actual line length becomes much smaller than the recommended length. [[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] ([[User talk:PeterTrompeter|talk]]) 08:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] - thanks for your feedback. We're currently exploring better solutions for the ToC at narrow widths, which include the option of collapsing as well. Check out [[phab:T306660]] for the details and prototypes. It would be great to get your opinion on some of these. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:40, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

::I wonder about one thing: Who on earth thought that having such a monstrosity as that [pejorative snipped] TOC as a PERMANENT part of the skin would be a good idea ? I mean, having it pop up might be a useful thing for newbies (and I find even that a stretch of my imagination), but PERMANENTLY wasting space on a table of contents you consult perhaps once or twice per (long) article ? So KINDLY have it fixed to be hideable/collapsible so that we can get actual article contents on our screens. (One sidenote here: Apart from my blowout here - yes, I am aware that working on these projects is a chore, and despite my invectives here, I AM grateful for your efforts. It's just that this kind of stuff goes so completely against what would be the natural idea here, that I blow my top unnecessarily hard - people generally want to read the TEXT of the articles, so when a new skin development deliberately wastes space on the table of contents - ????? ) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 16:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Hey @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], we test all of the proposed changes. Editors and readers were strongly in support of this change. More details here: [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Table of contents]]. Cheers, [[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AHollender (WMF)|talk]]) 17:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::::My question stands: Why having it there PERMANENTLY ??? Ok, I find something that's relevant for me to read; usually, I then want to READ just that; not the thread that led me there... So, why PERMANENTLY ??? [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 17:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

== Public and private views... ==

While thinking about this, I was struck with what appears to me to be a central point of division here: This is not a question of how THE user interface should look like; but, rather, it is a question of what we should look like to anonymous users, and what choices should be available to those of us who log in ? Does that differentiation make sense ? (I should mention that I'm coming to this from Wikipedia, and that I have very little experience with the other projects.) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 19:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Yeah @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], this makes sense. With the caveat that I don't know what central point of division you are referring to :D
:At the moment, except for gadgets and such little tweaks, we aren't able to offer different interfaces for logged-out and logged-in users. Also, we can't make it possible to easily switch between different settings like dark/light mode, contrast versions, font sizes, etc. We need to improve the basics of the viewing/reading experience, we can do ''that'', so we're doing it.
:As a result, readers use our interface more comfortably, we check that with regular A/B tests. As for the most dedicated editors, they can/should:
:# Help us build an interface useful to them (by giving feedback on the prototypes, on the changing interface on "pilot wikis", by adjusting gadgets, etc.)
:# Accept the arguments about the results of user testing, A/B testing, community feedback...
:# Accept the "final" version as the basic version, and
:# Configure it further if they want.
:Our team would like to work the interface deeper. We would like to make it more modular and adjustable. (Of course, content would stay objectively the same for all.) A few months ago, we started working with more closely [[Growth]] and [[Editing]]. Now we're checking how ambitious we can be.
:Does that answer your question? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:26, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
::My way of thinking here, is that the main divider here is between what should be visible and available to those who are NOT logged in, and what should be available and possible for those who DO log in. This is because the big difference between the two groups, is that those who are logged in, are also able to seek detailed information and make informed choices (and possibly programmed adaptations), whereas the non-logged in can not be trusted to have any particular information about the system, do not have a way of communicating preferences, and therefore needs to be given visual cues as to what's possible and available, precisely because they are strangers here... (Sidenote: I am of the Wikipedia, and that is the project I write in relation to; each project will have some peculiarities that do not apply to the other (to the same degree, at least); for this reason I should remember to mention this.)
::
::I hope what I'm writing here makes some sense, I try to avoid giving specific "orders" to anyone, but rather contribute to clarifying the context so that I understand it; hopefully, what I then write makes sense to others as well... (About here my subconscious can be heard muttering "and if pigs could fly"...) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 13:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== "Beginning" is confusing ==

More feedback: when I was at [[w:Gotcha journalism]] just now, I became confused because there appeared to be a section titled "beginning", which I assumed covered the early history of the term. It took me a minute to figure out that that wasn't referring to a section but rather a way to scroll to the top of the page. Many other articles are going to have a similar problem, since we often begin with history sections that might reasonably be titled "Beginning" for early history. {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 22:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Sdkb|Sdkb]] - good catch! This is something we discussed quite a bit internally in order to finally settle on beginning, although I agree that it's still imperfect. Previously we were using "introduction". The issue there was that many articles have "introduction" as the name of their first section, causing duplication. Other options we were considering were location-based (back to top, beginning of page, etc). We are welcome to ideas on how to make this clearer. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 09:05, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::The name used by wikipedians? ''Lead section'' in English, ''résumé introductif'' in French, etc ([[d:Q10966628|Q10966628]]) [[User:Pyb|Pyb]] ([[User talk:Pyb|talk]]) 11:07, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:::On Translatewiki.net I found "Début" for fr.wiki and "Inizio" for it.wiki (on it.wiki we use also "Incipit" or "Introduzione", see [[phab:T306990]]). [[User:Patafisik|Patafisik]] ([[User talk:Patafisik|talk]]) 15:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::::@[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]], did you consider different design approaches in addition to different names? If the word had been accompanied by something like [[File:Font Awesome 5 solid caret-up.svg|16px]], it might have been a lot clearer. I also think there's some benefit to matching the terminology we already use as editors ("lead section" or "introduction"), since that makes it easier for newcomers. The Wikipedia articles that currently have "Introduction" as their first named section should not—they should be tagged with [[w:Template:Overview section]]. {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 20:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::I think using the article title would make the most sense, as the title is the uppermost heading in the article. That way the header that the reader arrives at always matches the one they've clicked on. (I'm sure "Beginning" is better than "Introduction," but it's not unheard of as a section title either: e.g. [[w:Creolization|Creolization]], [[w:Ashikaga shogunate|Ashikaga shogunate]], [[w:History of Carthage|History of Carthage]]. Is there any way to determine how often it's used?) [[User:Arms & Hearts|Arms & Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms & Hearts|talk]]) 19:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I think "Top" would be less confusing and generally make more sense as that seems to be the common English term for the top of the page. [[Special:Contributions/132.170.199.112|132.170.199.112]] 19:32, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of contents below sidebar just doesn't work ==

On a broader note than the two pieces of feedback above, I have to say that my experience so far with the new table of contents has been really frustrating. As an editor, I use lots of the links in the left sidebar quite frequently, so I don't want to collapse it (and even if I did, the way it persists in whatever state you leave it in means that every time I used it it'd return). But preserving the left sidebar forces the table of contents below it, which is just awful. The number one time I want to use the ToC is when I first navigate to an article, and I either want to jump to a specific section or just to see what sections it has to get an overview. Forcing me to scroll to get to that information is extremely annoying, and if it's kept in the final version, I predict the outcry will be intense. You could resolve this either by retaining the old style ToC alongside the new (which would also solve the [[w:MOS:SANDWICH|sandwiching]] concerns I've previously raised) or by moving the ToC above the left sidebar. From your previews, I know you've been working on moving some stuff around and introducing pinning, so I hope this will be resolved in future iterations. But the initial version being introduced here is clearly not ready yet. Best, {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 22:53, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
: For me it seems the table of contents and the sidebar seems to be two different things. On Wikipedia, I collapsed the sidebar and the table of contents still remain. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 03:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::I want ToC collapsed too. But there is no way to do it. It uses almost 1/3 of my screen and makes reading very difficult.- [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 05:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Same here. 14" Screen, collapsed sidebar menu, open only when needed. With the new TOC I cannot collapse the sidebar, it's just a toggle between navbar and TOC. I appreciate the effort and that it's a first attempt, but it definitely should be optional. And yes, I was involved in feedbacks and testing earlier. Regards [[User:Elya|Elya]] ([[User talk:Elya|talk]]) 14:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

:::: +1, the TOC should be accessible from the top of the page, and collapsible (vertically; also horiz if it is making the sidebar too wide - many pages have section heads that are quite long). [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 17:35, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

== About Google Docs and Zoom ==

{{Ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} Thank you for the invitation I received for tomorrow's videcall since I was an interface admin and a developer! but sadly I cannot participate since I don't use Google Docs or Zoom for security reasons (partially related: [https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-senate-german-government-tell-staff-not-to-use-zoom/] [https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.html]).

I don't know if it could be useful but maybe in the future you may consider to land the doc on the wiki itself, or using Etherpad [https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/] when realtime is needed.

To drop Zoom, maybe I can propose Jitsi Meeting [https://meet.jit.si/] that is gratis and libre and supports streaming on social network to support large audience. (Also [[Wikimedia Meet]] deserves a try and some feedback). [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 15:38, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]]. I understand your concerns and thank you for the language you use. I do appreciate that. As you may have realized, it isn't without a reason why we use these particular tools/platforms.
:# Google Docs are used by the Foundation as the default tool for making internal notes and docs. We might, for the purposes of the office hours, replace it with Etherpad. There's a problem with the translations, though. Asking translators to update just one word, and waiting until they've done that, could be troublesome. This is why I can only commit to replace this if we make more changes to the announcement. (By the way, the announcement is [[Template:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Office hours announcement|fully standardized]] and translated into 16 languages, some of which use declination or are not written in the Latin script.)
:# We need our office hours to be technically (platform-wise) predictable. Although Jitsi is open source and Zoom is not, the latter is more effective. It has been widely used for online meetings in the movement. It's been used by the WMF for office hours with the CEO, Maryana; it's been used by affiliates. There are hundreds of Wikimedians who at least once have participated in a Wikimedia meeting on Zoom. We know how to provide live translations there. Jitsi, on the other hand, is less popular, and we'd have to learn how to support live translations, including more trainings organized specifically for our meetings.
:# We may consider having office hours on IRC. Frankly, I have a feeling that since the migration from Freenode, IRC has been more and more marginalized, but we could give it a try.
:I'm curious what other Wikimedians watching this page think. Add your comments! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::Just asking for an understanding that Google Form and Zoom are a bug, not a feature, to participate in a Wikimedia project. A bug that deserves a long-term fix. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 15:57, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
::: I appreciate these are standard across parts of the Foundation. And agree w/ [[user:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio]] this is a bug, not a feature. Perhaps it's time to revisit this across the org. :) We should be using tools that can be constantly used and deployed by communities for events, workshops, office hours, talks without sending traffic through commercial servers.
::: ''Text'': Google makes some very wiki-spirited tools (they did absorb JotSpot back in 2006) so it's stayed around for a while. But we simply must stop using it as a crutch that keeps us from using and being delighted by notetaking on our own platform. Our collaborative platform for drafting and discussing documents. Our versioned, searchable platform.
::: ''Video'': I too have to use Zoom sometime, but I'm always surprised and a bit dismayed when a Wikimedia meeting uses it! Jitsi is stable, widely used + repackaged, easily modded and forked, and we host a [https://meet.wmcloud.org/ lovely instance] on the WM cloud. [We also regularly use BigBlueButton for larger audiences.] It makes it easy to name a persistent rooms, embed it it in other places or tools (see Jitsi-as-a-service + [[w:Brave Talk|Brave Talk]] these days), &c. We should be thinking about how to better use video streams in our projects, and using this framework as we do so. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 12:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], I will not participate in any forum that is not public. Why the wmf foundation wants to share information via Zoom, a for-profit corporation which provides no guarantee of privacy, is anyone's guess. We have been using wiki-code for discussion since 2001, why this change?
::I apologize if you find my message above irrespecutful, but this represents the views of many. [[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|talk]]) 18:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Instant jumping vs. animated scrolling for table of contents ==

As you're polishing up the table of contents, one thing it'd be nice to consider is the behavior when you click on a section in it. Currently, it instantly jumps to that section, but I think it'd be better if it instead did a very quick scroll (maybe a quarter of a second). This would help readers to more easily understand what's happening when they click the link, and to get a better intuitive sense of what the article contains by seeing it flash by. Would that be possible? {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 02:37, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

== Wide-column + Multi-column options for large screens ==

Readers vary in what form factor they prefer, especially for long-form high-volume reading. That's part of why this change and research into 'optimal layout' is controversial. I'm someone who finds it hard and slow to read a narrow column and have to scroll all the time, including when searching a page for a term. General feedback on width:

# Include a comfortable default for large screens. The (potentially large) gray margins on left and right, outside large white margins, bracketing a forced-maxwidth central column, do not feel good. Wide-col or multi-col could work.
# Offer an explicit wide-column pref that doesn't require people to change skins, even if that is less aggressively supported/tested across all platforms.
# A multi-column design for text within sections – mimicking the style of most long-form magazines and scholarly journals – would be interesting and can be surpassingly beautiful. That's what I'd like to see our wide-screen layouts transition to. We already do this within sections for references, lists, and galleries.

Even low-end desktop monitors these days are high enough resolution to support two-column layouts. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 18:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

== I think sticky elements ruin Vector ==

I liked vector a lot more when it didn't have the new distracting elements (sticky header and sticky TOC). ''I care about the contents of the page, not the interface'', nor about the need to scroll to the top of the page every now and then. [[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] ([[User talk:Tokujin|talk]]) 17:50, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]]. Congratulations for finding this page :D You can add <code>.vector-sticky-header {display:none;}</code> to your [[metawiki:Special:MyPage/global.css|global.css]]. For now, I'm not entirely sure what to advise about the TOC, though. When the collapsible version has been deployed, we'll know what code you should use to make it not sticky and keep some other version. I invite you to revisit this topic in 2-3 weeks.
:By the way, I very much liked the first sentence of [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=5009784 your comment to the third prototype]. Have you seen the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing|fourth one]]? I encourage you to follow the instructions and share your opinion about it, too. (BTW, compare it with [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear the newest version, also a prototype].) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:28, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::Hi Szymon :-) [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Fourth_prototype_testing/Feedback#Username%3ATokujin|Done]], thank you. Regarding the global.css setting, notice that with sticky table headers enabled (in Preferences > Gadgets > Testing and development) there's a bug whereby in tables such as those in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disenchantment_episodes#Part_4_(2022) this page] the table header leaves space for the absent page header. Other tables, such as that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-nine%20Novels here], don't have this issue. [[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] ([[User talk:Tokujin|talk]]). 07:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Skin differences between wikis ==

I'm using the 2022 Vector skin globally now (with [[:m:User:Tol/global.css|some modifications]] to remove whitespace), but I'm noticing that some wikis' sidebars are different from others. For example, MediaWiki wiki (this wiki) and French Wikipedia have a thinner white-background sidebar which sits on top of the page body (and ToC in the page body), while Meta-Wiki, Wikidata, and English Wikipedia have a wider grey-background box which is not layered on top of the page body (and ToC beneath said box). I can't figure out why this is. [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 00:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Tol|Tol]] - thanks for your question, and good catch! This is due to the table of contents still needing to being A/B tested on some wikis (frwiki and mediawiki wiki being two of these). The ToC functionality is not yet available there. That said, we've began some work on reducing the margins for the ToC as a whole ([[phab:T307004]]) that will make the differences in width fairly negligible. This change will be on all wikis next week. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]]: Ah; looks great! I look forward to that change rolling out. Thanks! [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 14:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Tool bars and tables ==

Hi, thanks for the update. A few observations:
# I would suggest that users have the option to keep the tool bar on the sidebar from the beginning, instead of having to click "tools" -> "[move to sidebar]" every single time.
# The readability of tables and graphs that are wider than the (quite tight) text column is an issue. In certain cases, the tables represent time series data (e.g. population in a country or municipality over time) that cannot just be tightened. Do you have a proposal to solve this issue? The NYT, which is a site that you explicitly mention as inspiration, lets tables and images occupy the whole width of the screen if necessary.
[[User:GeneraleAutunno|GeneraleAutunno]] ([[User talk:GeneraleAutunno|talk]]) 20:39, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

== Next steps for the Table of Contents ==
Hey all - thank you for all the feedback around the issues you were experiencing with the ToC, especially on narrow screens. We've taken a few steps to fix some of these issues:
* We're reducing the margins of the ToC to more closely resemble those of the prototype (tracked in [[phab:T307004]])
* We have a temporary solution for the ToC at narrow widths, which removes the ToC alltogether
* We are building functionality to allow for the ToC to be collapsible and expandable at narrow widths (tracked in [[phab:T306660]])
* We are planning on making the ToC collapsible at all screen sizes and widths (tracked in [[phab:T307901]])
* https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear links to a prototype that puts all of these changes together.
We would appreciate your feedback and thoughts on the decisions made within the prototype and whether they work for you. Thanks! [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:cc @[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]], @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]], @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], @[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]], @[[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]], @[[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] - in case you're interested. Apologies if I'm forgetting anyone else that was asking about this! [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:46, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva]], thank you, it's a solid improvement! Just one request: can the hiding/unhiding be made persistent so my choice remains in effect even if I navigate to another page? [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 12:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you, that's good news! (Adding a clarification: I'm responding to OVasileva, here.) My thinking is that making it collapsible is the only reasonable way to go; with the added point that for newcomers and anonymous readers it should perhaps be turned "on" as default; if the collapse button is clearly visible, the TOC will be useful to some, and easily removable for the rest, which should be the useful level of the intrusive/invisible conundrum... Thank you, once again. [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 13:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]]: Thanks for letting me know. Since this seems to be only in effect for the new Vector skin, maybe some work could be done to have the table of contents be shown in focus and have a button on the sticky header, as well as a keyboard shortcut for it? [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 14:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks for the work, I like the prototype a lot. I've missed the easily available overview that the ToC provides. Compare to the 2010 design, it is very useful to have the ToC available no matter how far down you scroll.
:On small screens, the "move to sidebar" link text is not accurate with regards to what happens visually when you click on it. [[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] ([[User talk:PeterTrompeter|talk]]) 16:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
:On narrow screens this is still quite jarring, and having no TOC is a loss, being able to move the TOC back in to the body (dynamically and programmatically) seems a better compromise. A problem I see is that even when there is no TOC on a page, all that space it could use is still being consume by blank space, that wasted horizontal space needs to be able to be reclaimed somehow. We've been testing some options that are aimed at more power desktop '''editors''' so they can use vector-2022, but still have access to most of their screen (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_%C3%9Cber_Alles?useskin=vector-2022&withgadget=wide-vector-2022 example] (will really only be strikingly noticable if you are on a wide screen)) but still are getting complaints about the huge space used by the TOC. [[User:Xaosflux|Xaosflux]] ([[User talk:Xaosflux|talk]]) 11:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== Banners and roadmap ==

Hi, I think you should consider to add banners in order to present the restyling to a much wider part of users. IMO they should link to discussion and presentation pages.
You should also consider to present to the wikis a clear roadmap with dates in order to present ahead of time big changes like the adoption of the new Vector.
This two changes would make you work clearer to the eyes of the users and would prevent some dissatisfactions. In particular I'd like to point out that [[:it:Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/La_nuova_interfaccia_desktop|what is happening on itwiki]] is being perceived as an imposition against the general consensus and I agree with the Italian users that are saying that forcing the adoption of the new skin is not the right way to act. These two are some ideas to widen the discussion, forcing something against the will of most will just radicalize the opposing positions even more. -- [[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 11:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:I just received the good piece of news that the adoption of the new skin has been delayed for itwiki and I thank you for this. But I still think that the two ideas that I presented above would be good tools to prevent something similar to happen again. ----[[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks @[[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]]. These are great suggestions.
:* Banners - [[phab:T304839|T304839]] - we've been working this for some time. Soon, the banner should be visible to some logged-in Vector users. They will be encouraged to switch to the new skin, and some time later, they'll see another banner with a link to this talk page.
:* Links to the project page - [[phab:T307113|T307113]] - our idea was similar. We'll add a link to the list of skins in preferences.
:* Roadmap - that's also a very good point. We'll consider how to present this to the community most effectively.
:* Itwiki - we'll continue this topic on itwiki, alright?
:[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for you consideration! :) And speaking of itwiki of course we will continue the topic right there. -- [[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 16:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sticky header 'dead zone' in articles with long lead sections ==
{{tracked|T307345}}
Steps to reproduce:

# Visit an article with at least a moderately long lead section (e.g., [[en:Charles de Gaulle]]).
# Scroll down a little way.
# Observe that the sticky header appears.
# Scroll down a little further, so that the first heading appears, but not much further than that.
# Observe that the sticky header vanishes.
# Scroll down even further.
# Observe that the sticky header re-appears.

This does not seem like intended behaviour. I am testing on Firefox 100. [[User:FrankSpheres|FrankSpheres]] ([[User talk:FrankSpheres|talk]]) 04:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:FrankSpheres|FrankSpheres]] - thank you for your report! We already have a fix for this bug, tracked in [[phab:T307345|T307345]]. It will be available early next week. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 08:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on new look ==
I like that stuff that is generally rarely used is hidden, such as the language picker.

I am not a fan of moving the table of contents off the main article body section. I didn't even register that the table of contents was there and I frequently use the TOC to get an overview of interesting sections of articles. With the TOC being isolated at the side bar, it seems separated from the article itself, while it should be a central part. Maybe it would work better if it appeared on the right of the article, where there is currently just whitespace?

Speaking of whitespace: I dislike the move to a max-width on article pages. This feature should at the very least be toggle-able with a button (without a need to log in). I feel like it makes the article feel more cramped, with less space for images and figures. There is already a very good solution to setting the effective width in the old view: Simply resize your window or zoom in on your browser. With the new look, I am forced to a max-width and I don't have a solution to control the width like I did before.

Whitespace and the TOC did something beautiful together in the old look actually. The TOC conveniently visually separated the article lead section from the rest of the article by introducing white space, which I personally found very pleasing. The new look has the lead section blend in with the rest of the article. This makes the lead appear more daunting, while its purpose is to serve as a quicker summary. Perhaps the lead section should be followed by a larger piece of whitespace than is normally found above headings, so as to separate the lead from the rest as before?

Finally I am quite sad to see that the Wikipedia globe logo is diminished - I really like the globe with the symbols and it doesn't look very good at low resolutions. I think the size of the globe was perfectly fine before. Besides, it seems there's plenty of space for it to have the same size as before so I'm kind of puzzled why this change was made in the first place.

I will also say that the arrow next to the Wikipedia globe (the one to minimize the side bar) leads to an unfortunate usability flaw. I initially thought the arrow was supposed to take me back to the front page (it is right next to the logo and the leftward direction suggests a "back" action). But that is not what it does at all. So the arrow is kind of confusing at first. --[[User:SorteKanin|SorteKanin]] ([[User talk:SorteKanin|talk]]) 16:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

== When testing the new skin, offer a one-click way to change back ==
The banners inviting users to test the new skin offer a one-click option that updates your skin to new Vector. The banner is then replaced with a message saying "give us feedback!", but it should also offer a one-click way to revert the change. Users may not be familiar with how to undo the change. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 12:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

:The one-click option to revert is the final item of the sidebar's top section, in bold. Are you suggesting a second method should be included, or that the link should be made more obvious and flashy by moving to the banner?
:The sidebar link seems fine to me. Particularly because this is less about the theme and more ergonomics for migration. [[User:Kees Person|Kees Person]] ([[User talk:Kees Person|talk]]) 15:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

:: I found it eventually, thanks. Yes, putting it in the banner, or putting a js link in the banner that highlighted the sidebar link, would be clearer :) [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 19:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Too little space ==

It's probably fine for those who don't use wide-screen monitors, but as someone who does it is quite annoying having everything mushed together like on mobile. I have read the page on this, but I think there should be a way to keep the functionality of the skin but lengthen the screen. [[User:Lallint|Lallint]] ([[User talk:Lallint|talk]]) 13:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
: I concur. I tried the new skin a couple of times and just could not do it. I have bought a standalone monitor for a reason - and it's not that large anyway (1920 x 1200) - yet the new skin wastes a third of my screen space. [[User:Kashmiri|Kashmiri]] ([[User talk:Kashmiri|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::Actually I use a 13" laptop and I initially thought that my computer switched to mobile version by mistake, but I later realized that was the desktop layout. I think the way everything is squeezed-in together takes away from the experience; there is nothing wrong with the header and tools bar they look fine to me, yet the sizing seems off for desktop users. [[User:Humanized|Humanized]] ([[User talk:Humanized|talk]]) 10:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sidebar too long ==

Sidebar too long and page too small on Wikimedia wikis [[User:LisafBia6531|LisafBia6531]] ([[User talk:LisafBia6531|talk]]) 16:24, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== Do not use a sticky header. ==

I think the new layout makes much better use of whitespace on 16:9 displays, making paragraphs easier to read. However, vertical space is someone no website that serves text-rich pages to users can ever get enough of. I believe that every (non-redundant, e.g. the article name is displayed twice on most browsers in the window tab title and the sticky header) element currently placed on the sticky header would not just fit on the sticky sidebar, but by removing the sticky header the layout will better serve what readers come to a wiki to do.

As a side note though, I am awfully sentimental about the old Wikipedia header logo and type layout, that giant globe and the accompanying text beneath it is far too iconic to change in my opinion, even for a redesign. [[User:Saedes|Saedes]] ([[User talk:Saedes|talk]]) 14:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sidebar considerations for vertical monitors/half-width windows ==

I haven't tested this out thoroughly yet, but I'm going to be adding this section to start a discussion on how the new layout uses responsive design when display device/window aspect ratios are greater in height than width. [[User:Saedes|Saedes]] ([[User talk:Saedes|talk]]) 14:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== The table of contents is in the wrong place ==

It's nice to have a table of contents right there on the side so you can move back and forth between sections but i don't like the fact that you have to scroll down a bit to find it. If there's a way to keep it at the top of the page so you see it right as the page loads then as the user scrolls down it changes into a sticky header, that would be better. [[User:Abhaypradjha|Abhaypradjha]] ([[User talk:Abhaypradjha|talk]]) 10:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

== Search bar UX is inefficient (Fitts's law) ==

I want to search.
# If I am at the top of the article, I click mindlessly anywhere on the header and type straight away.
# If I am down the article, I have to pinpoint an icon.

This is bad because
* The inconsistency turns my muscle memory against me
* It goes against [[w:en:Fitts's_law#Implications_for_UI_design|Fitts's law]]: pinpointing an icon requires precision and is slower than clicking a large bar at the border of the screen without giving much thought into it.

A solution would be that clicking on the article title or empty space in the sticky header hides the article title and displays the search bar (empty and focused).

My case is that I often read the documents with the help of Wiktionary, so I use the search bar heavily and my usage pattern is fundamentally different than on Wikipedia. On Wiktionary, the interesting information is on one line or two, for each one of many unrelated entries, so searching is almost exclusively my means of navigation. [[User:Wanlpz|Wanlpz]] ([[User talk:Wanlpz|talk]]) 19:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC: the position of the content ==
Hi, I like your [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear last prototype of TOC], in particular the blu color which helps to find a menu when you collapse it.

I notice something I consider a bug: when the TOC is collapsed, if the tools menu is collapsed too the content is in the correct position, but if you move to the sidebar the tools, the content changes his position (it shifts on the left side). It feels strange. It doesn't happens when the TOC is on the sidebar, and you open/collapse the Tools menu.--[[Special:Contributions/151.42.0.114|151.42.0.114]] 13:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

==Sidebar==
The sidebar has extended a bit (and by that, I mean a LOT) too far, which makes things very uncomfortable for me. I'm fine with the skin other than that, but the overintrusive sidebar is just awful. Plus, there are these white extensions to it that shouldn't be there. I hope you understand what I'm talking about, and at least take notes on it! [[User:ARandomPage|ARandomPage]] ([[User talk:ARandomPage|talk]]) 11:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Зробіть для кожного коментатора окремий відділ ==

'''Привіт я досі не можу зрозуміти чому кожен коментатор не може писати окремо це набагато зручніше...'''

'''Новий дизайн набагато простіший в візуальному плані але до нього треба звикати)))'''

'''Також я побачив що новий дизайн не працює в деяких мовах''' [[User:Ilolg|Ilolg]] ([[User talk:Ilolg|talk]]) 14:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Some incoherence ==

Hey there! To begin with, I want to make it clear I've got nothing against updating the desktop experience at all. I wanted to make it clear in case I seem like a person ranting something like, "Give me back my good old skin!121".

What I think is that by making the skin you folks tried to reconcile the legacy appearance with some modernity. A good point, though the effect is not as optimistic. The top buttons (edit & history & etc) that retain the legacy shadowing do not fit in with the new cohesive background as seen in the left-hand sidebar. I'd consider re-adapting the former so that they better suit the new design. [[User:Mustafar29|Mustafar29]] ([[User talk:Mustafar29|talk]]) 10:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== A few more issues with the Page header vs Sticky header icons ==
Premise: I agree with the comments above that an update can only be a good thing; I'm sending kudos to all the teams working behind the scenes; and I only started using Vector 2022 a few weeks ago - noticing that it gets better each day. I'm not sure if the issues I'm having are slated to be improved or are haven't yet been considered.

1. Lack of coherence in the sticky header iconography
I frequently work on the special pages where the sticky header is absent which makes it frustrating when I move to another page (article page) and it appears and then back to 'edit' or 'view the history' of a page and it disappears again. I feel that I should be able to move from page type to page type without noticing drastic changes in the header.

2. Order of icons and functionality is different between the sticky header and page header - specifically some items disappear completely, some move from one area to the next and others are simply re-ordered. (Until just now I thought the search bar had been remove but I just found it as an icon that was pushed to the extreme left hand side after the article title. Now I understand the others who said that with a 27" monitor the left side icons are essentially out of sight.)

[[file:Headers-sticky-vs-page.jpg|600px]]
* Examining the two headers more in detail we see that the icons seem to be in the same place which makes it hard to notice they are different. Starting from the right, we see that the icons are identical in both therefore, we naturally expect the two (people) dropdown menus to contian the same items.
* Moving towards the left we see two icons with a star which pertain to the same semiotic sphere yet actually have different functionalities. One icon (that looks like a drop down menu but isn't) takes you to your watchlist while the other simply indicates whether the current page is on your watchlist and fuctions as a toggle to add the page if it isn't. There is a futher issue with how similar this icon is to the 'Contributions' icon, making it hard to distinguish for those of us who have bad eyesight - but that is an issue for another post.
* Continuing to the left, the issue becomes more confusing. 'Your notices' from the page header disappears (or maybe I just haven't found it yet) and the text menu 'View history' moves into the sticky header as an icon -the tool tips are the same in both and they are basically in the same position onthe page, which helps a bit.
* And with the final icons (still moving left) the 'Your alerts' bell disappears (or hasn't been found) and the 'Discussions about this page' transform from a text menu on the left into an icon on the right, at least the tooltip is the same. I have to admit that it's not clear to me why my user name is only visible on the page header and then moves under the person icon in the sticky header. It's not exactly a problem in itself, but it does add to the confusion of icons and functionality that seems to jump around from page to page.
* Finally, it seems that the “Edit” and “Edit source” functions have disappeared along with the special menu items of “delete”, “purge” and “move” unless you scroll back up to the top of the page. I believe these issues have already been mentioned by others above.

Again a big thanks to all of you working hard to update the interface and the 'restyling'. I hope when this is all finished, the sticky header will be unobtrusive and not noticeable like the ones normally found on modern webpages. --[[User:Lepido|Lepido]] ([[User talk:Lepido|talk]]) 21:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Left menu too wide ==

The main menu on the left is too wide and makes the rest of the page appear too cramped in relation to the menu. [[User:Urban Versis 32|Urban Versis 32]] ([[User talk:Urban Versis 32|talk]]) 00:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== The TOC, again ==

It just makes all look too narrow and tight, at least to me. I've been working on various lists projects recently and now they all look god awful because they had the old look in mind. [[User:Tintero21|Tintero21]] ([[User talk:Tintero21|talk]]) 02:08, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
==I prefer the old version ==
It's cool but I prefer the old version. [[User:Super ninja2|Super ninja2]] ([[User talk:Super ninja2|talk]]) 07:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== suggestion: collapsible table of contents ==

the appearance of the site is far too narrow. i would suggest making the table of contents collpasible to the left. [[User:Lettherebedarklight|Lettherebedarklight]] ([[User talk:Lettherebedarklight|talk]]) 12:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
: Me too. Also could be hidden, in options, so the user can read better the text. Now, it is too narrow and tight. --[[User:BoldLuis|BoldLuis]] ([[User talk:BoldLuis|talk]]) 13:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Line under title colliding with coordinates ==
{{Tracked|T310369}}

[[File:TitleLineColliding.png|thumb|alt=Gray horizontal line under the title colliding with coordinates given on top right of page]]

See image. The horizontal line under the title collides with any coordinates that are displayed on the top right.
--[[User:MimiKal797|MimiKal797]] ([[User talk:MimiKal797|talk]]) 14:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

:Even I wanted to state this same issue. [[User:Excellenc1|Excellenc1]] ([[User talk:Excellenc1|talk]]) 16:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

: Also the floating title can obscure content. For example, open the front page of [[b:Oberon|Oberon]] and scroll to the bottom. Click on instance "a" of footnote 43. That should take you to "MT, in V5, the constant address ...". In fact, the next glossary entry "native, modifies the name ..." is displayed. Not a terrible defect but baffling for a novice trying to learn. Thx, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|talk]]) 00:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
::I came here for a MeToo (about the coords/line collision). Classic Vector does not have the problem. Also, I think the languages dropdown is uncomfortably close to the coordinates; if you hover over that button you can see they overlap, which generates cruft when the dropdown is activated. Did anyone write up a ticket? [[User:DavidBrooks|DavidBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidBrooks|talk]]) 15:35, 9 June 2022 (UTC) - OK, I did: T310369 [[User:DavidBrooks|DavidBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidBrooks|talk]]) 15:19, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
:::This is being discussed in [[:en:Template talk:Coord#Coordinates bad positioning]]. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:32, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

== Great GUI ==

Everything looks very appealing to me. I think the blank left space really aids in reading as the width of the line reduces its easier for me to not to confuse the line which I have to read next. Overall I loved it. One suggestion that I want to give is that it would be very nice if you could change the visual of the tab. It looks a little too classic to me and would be very nice of you if you could add dark mode ( I don't know if it already exists), this I think would give a very appealing look to the website . Thank You. [[Special:Contributions/]] 17:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
: If you ever want to reduce the width of the lines you are reading, I suggest you just resize your window, as the elegance of desktop browsing is that it gives you control over the size of the page. As for me, this layout takes away that control. Using it, I can no longer read an article with the full width of my screen without fiddling with my common.css, a luxury that would not be available to me when I'm not logged in, and am instead forced to use ~2/3 of that width, even when the window is reaching into every corner of my screen. There are several ways of using dark mode on wikipedia listed [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Dark_mode|here]], but I agree it should be made easier. --[[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 16:42, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback ==

I was prompted to give some feedback on the 2022 Vector skin, and I have to say that it needs a bit more work.
* The mix of new and old UI elements doesn't look good; specifically the View, Edit, Edit Source etc. menu bar looks out of place among the flatter new UI
* There's uneven and unnecessary padding around the left pane with the many links that can be filled with the pane
* There should be an option to have the content filling any display larger than 4:3, as most displays are 16:9. I understand the argument that it helps some people in reading but having an option is better, as it doesn't help ''all'' people. Additionally, a poll should be run in all Wikimedia projects on which one should be the default (4:3 or full width) — [[User:Dimsar01|Dimsar01]] ([[User talk:Dimsar01|talk]]) 23:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Here is My feedback
*I see that the sections are not properly sectioned on the screen
*I am using dark mode and when I want to add reference or qualifier or something like that, I see a white suggestion screen
All in all I can say for now is that I really needs more work done and I can prefer the older one for now thank you
[[User:Micheal Kaluba|Micheal Kaluba]] ([[User talk:Micheal Kaluba|talk]]) 05:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== Short description ==

It would be great to have the short description visible on pages, like it is on the search and on mobile, so users can more easily edit them and identify information.

Like said by other users, the mix of new and old UI looks bad. The [https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale most recent prototype], for all its faults, had a well unified UI. I also think that the page tools (and "In other projects") should be separated from links for the whole website like was done in the [https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale most recent prototype], though there were many flaws with that execution (see [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing/Feedback#User: BappleBusiness|my comments]]), and all those links should be condensed by default. "Beginning" should definitely be named "Lead" or "Lead section", like said by others.

I really appreciate the effort that is going into this. I think the vast majority of these changes are for the better, it just needs more work. [[User:BappleBusiness|BappleBusiness]] ([[User talk:BappleBusiness|talk]]) 00:32, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Software Gore ==

[[File:Languages on Wiktionary with new layout.png|thumb|Software gore]]
This is pure software gore. If you want to explain to me why it's like this, you're wasting your breath. I've edited Wiktionary for over a decade and I understand how it's come to look like this, and I don't even have a solution to propose. But I feel terrible for anyone trying to navigate this mess for the first time. —[[User:Pengo|Pengo]] ([[User talk:Pengo|talk]]) 00:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Watchlist tooltip ==

Hi folks! I'm vaguely used to the watchlist icon (since I've switched themes many times over the past decade or so, and use the mobile app/website), but I still need to resort to the tooltips when I'm on my desktop. It would seem I'm not the only one that takes a moment to mentally translate the icon to the concept in my brain (per {{ping|Nardog}}'s earlier [[#Watchlist icon]] comment). I may stay with "Vector 2022" over on [[commons:Main_page|commons.wikimedia.org]] after trying it out for a bit, but please: could y'all change the tooltip so that the word "watchlist" is in the tooltip? Currently, the icon sports the the very verbose tooltip: "''A list of pages you are monitoring for changes [Alt+Shift+I]''", which takes a moment for me to mentally translate into "''oh, they're trying to say 'Watchlist'!''". It would be helpful if (in addition to the keyboard shortcut), the tooltip also gave the mental shortcut, perhaps with the phrase: "''Watchlist: your list of pages to monitor for changes [Alt+Shift+I]''". Since I'm guessing y'all aren't changing "watchlist" to another word, I can imagine it would be helpful for new users too. -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 04:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
:Yeah, given all the other tooltips are just "Your alerts", "Your notices", and "User menu", it seems to me it should be simply "Watchlist" or at best "Your watchlist". [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 04:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== I want the code to make the sidebar TOC disappear ==

Please. Ping me. [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 05:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

It's probably not too hard since there seems to still be a {{tag|mw:tocplace}} element left -- you need to grab the element, move it back and do some style fixups. Kinda like [[w:zh:User:Artoria2e5/Gadget-sidetoc.js]] but backwards. --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:43, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Ah well, I am pretty convinced that having {{tag|mw:tocplace}} but not the actual TOC hidden there is a bug now. If that gets fixed, it should be just some CSS work in your vector-2022.css:
<pre>
#mw-panel-toc {display:none;}
#toc {display:block;}
</pre>
May need to sprinkle on a bit of !important. ping [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:Yep, TOC disappeared, leaving a blank space. [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 16:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::Well, just gotta wait until they come to their senses. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 00:55, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== Space for article too narrow ==

The article took up less than the full width of the screen in the old skin, but the increased padding and needlessly wide sidebar here make the usable region even smaller. This just reproduces the issues that have had to be worked-around on mobile, including some tables being too wide to fit in the space and causing horizontal scrolling, creating the need to scroll further to get between sections, as well as causing some large image thumbs to squish the article text into narrow strips. In my opinion, the sidebar, which I think most readers rarely make use of anyway, should be consigned to a modal rather than taking up even more space, so that the article can appear centred all the way down the page. This would make room for fairly wide margins on either side without causing as many issues. (I suggest this because it seems the most noticeable "improvement" here is the addition of extra whitespace, but really, what is wrong with making full use of the window width you are given?) [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 15:50, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
: I came here to complain about the same thing - limiting the width of the pageview doesn't make sense when you have a lot of text to display. Especially the discussions became harder to read. [[Special:Contributions/78.11.223.83|78.11.223.83]] 06:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC should make the page slowly scroll to the right section, and not just jump ==

By the way, I'm still waiting for the code necessary to deactivate the lateral TOC. I've already disabled the sticky header by using .vector-sticky-header {display:none;} [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 07:51, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:That would make it take longer to get where you want to be, and prevent the user from scrolling during the time the page is sliding. The current TOC works using anchors linked to IDs, which means you can get back to where you were by simply paging back, but this, I think, would not be possible if the links were actually buttons triggering JavaScript animations. [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 08:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC not appearing at all ==

It seems that Vector 2022 is not showing ''any'' TOC -- neither the regular one nor the side one -- when it probably should. I noticed this issue about a couple of days ago but assumed it was an error on my side. Today I checked out [[w:Dmitri_Shostakovich]], tried to add a <code>_<nowiki>_TOC__</nowiki></code> magic word, found out it does nothing, and then realized it's the skin that's broken when I retried in a logged out private tab.

In a private tab:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Shostakovich?useskin=vector-2022 has no TOC right now, but
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Shostakovich?useskin=vector has a TOC.

What's going on here? [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:One refresh later it's showing the side one. I must be descending into some sort of madness. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::Annd it's gone again. No outstanding errors in the console. Seems to be sone <code>@media screen { ... .sidebar-toc {display:none; ...</code> in one of the many load.php's ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=ext.cite.styles%7Cext.echo.styles.badge%7Cext.uls.interlanguage%7Cext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript%7Cext.wikimediaBadges%7Cjquery.makeCollapsible.styles%7Cmediawiki.ui.button%2Cicon%7Coojs-ui.styles.icons-alerts%7Cskins.vector.icons%2Cstyles%7Cwikibase.client.init&only=styles&skin=vector-2022]). What. the. heck. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::The intention of the code seems to be to show the sidebar only for screens wider than a value. That's a good idea, but only if the original TOC is not removed! --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== Bold, yet very appreciated changes ==

At first I didn't like it. My first thought was that it took more space, so I got less content in my screen. I compared it side by side with the old skin and in fact, elements got more margin. But after giving it a try, reading and moving through the article, I fell in love. I really like that the TOC is now on the left and moves along with the page. It was OK before but now it feels fancy. And I feel more people are going to benefit from it now. The cleaner, more "plain white" look is nice.

I understand the decision of limiting the width of the page on (very) wide screens. In my opinion, it is a sensible design decision that improves readability. Because if lines get too wide, it can make it harder to read. Maybe this "max-width" setting can become a thing users can tweak?

I tested this new skin on a modern computer and a 1440p screen. If I were to use my old laptop, I'm sure I'd like to have the option to change to the old skin. As it fits more content and uses less CPU resources.

I appreciate this changes, and feel they are for the better. Thank you! -- [[User:Zazke grt|Zazke grt]] ([[User talk:Zazke grt|talk]]) 06:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

: I've temporarily switched back to the old Vector skin in Wikipedia because some pages like this one [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Video%20games Wikipedia:Portal:Video_games] have their contents very croped or overflowing their boxes. --[[User:Zazke grt|Zazke grt]] ([[User talk:Zazke grt|talk]]) 06:49, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC not immediately visible ==
{{Tracked|T309632}}
I am going to refrain from complaining too much as I'm prone to do with any and all UI changes :)

However, I do find the placement of the TOC particularly problematic. Personally the first thing I do when landing on a Wikipedia article is, usually, click on something in the TOC. Having to scroll down first to find it is, to me, very frustrating. [[User:Argymeg|Argymeg]] ([[User talk:Argymeg|talk]]) 12:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== Better font for Arabic/Persian فونت بهتر برای فارسی/عربی ==

As a Persian user, I think font of wikipedia is not good for these languages; Maybe Vazirmatn or other open-source good looking fonts could be better.

به عنوان یک کاربر ایرانی، من فکر می‌کنم که فونت ویکی‌پدیا برای فارسی و عربی جالب نیست؛ شاید وزیرمتن یا سایر فونت‌های منبع‌باز که ظاهری خوبی دارند انتخاب‌های بهتری باشند. [[User:Amiria703|Amiria703]] ([[User talk:Amiria703|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== It seems like the Page Previews isn't working for me here ==

Although the new skin looks more sleek, I can't use the (very useful) feature of Page Previews here. So every time I'm in for a deep read, I have to switch back to the old look. Please implement the page previews here too. [[User:SamyakShirsh|SamyakShirsh]] ([[User talk:SamyakShirsh|talk]]) 03:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there! Thanks for the report! Could I get some more information on this issue? Page previews is working for me on both Vector and Vector 2022 skin. Are you talking about the user gadget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups ? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Use the white page on the right for TOC and navigation ==

The mobie version of wikipedia app has this really nice way of navigating through sections by swiping eight. I think you can imlement this in the desktop by placing the toc on the right [[User:SamyakShirsh|SamyakShirsh]] ([[User talk:SamyakShirsh|talk]]) 03:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lone value inside calc() ==

The style sheet of the new sticky table of contents uses <code>.mw-table-of-contents-container { top: calc(-2em); }</code>. Is there a reason for putting a lone value inside <code>calc()</code>? [[User:Anerisys|Anerisys]] ([[User talk:Anerisys|talk]]) 09:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks for flagging.
:The patch introducing this is:
:https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/skins/Vector/+/789691/5/resources/skins.vector.styles/layouts/screen.less
:The use of calc is accidental, and I think a mix up our end with the appropriate LESS mixin. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Trouble With Zooming In ==

My vision is poor so I usually zoom to 200% on my browser and it is no problem. With the new skin that same magnification causes the sidebar to take up the top of my screen and I can't see the title of the article and know what page I'm on without scrolling.

== Opt-in/out for page tools? ==

There've been a few discussions on this page about the page tools links, but one possibility I haven't seen mentioned here or at [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Page tools]] is providing a way for each reader/editor to choose which links appear. For example, I use "what links here" quite a lot, "related changes" and "random article" occasionally, and all the others virtually never. Other editors will have different experiences. How about allowing us to reduce clutter by choosing what we want to keep in the menu and what we can do without? [[User:Arms & Hearts|Arms & Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms & Hearts|talk]]) 19:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
:+1. I just want to say this was the last straw that made me force legacy Vector on all sites in GlobalPreferences. Is there no opt-out aside from putting <code>tableofcontents=0</code> in the URL? No "Expand all" button? Why is there a blank space beneath the ToC? Why fade it out rather than show as much as possible? This is just user-hostile. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 16:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

== Tabs misaligned? ==

The tabs on the left seem to be next to the tabs on the right, as depicted [https://imgur.com/UfeemZ1 here]. This wasn't the case last week; should this be reported here or elsewhere? Please move if need be. [[User:Ifly6|Ifly6]] ([[User talk:Ifly6|talk]]) 07:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:: Hi there, could I get a little more information on this one? What browser and device are you using? Are you viewing this on a mobile phone by any chance? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== TOC hidden for some reason ==

{{Tracked|T309632}}
When I put my Wikipedia tab to one side at half-width, which I often do whilst multitasking, the TOC disappears for some reason, even though the other side menu (which is the same width as the TOC) stays? I am clueless as to why. All article text is pushed way to the right for some reason. It would make more sense for it to be centred on all screen widths, or to make the entirety of the left menu a solid colour like it was before.

Basically, the sidebar should be made thinner as the tab width decreases.

Also the lack of a TOC below the lead results in images fighting for space with the infoboxes of articles. There should definitely be an option to move the TOC to where it normally resides as I and likely a lot of other editors find that placement more intuitive. [[User:Miklogfeather|Miklogfeather]] ([[User talk:Miklogfeather|talk]]) 16:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:My whole left sidebar has disappeared this morning. I had to switch themes just to get some editing done. — [[User:Xenophore|Xenophore]] ([[User talk:Xenophore|talk]]) 19:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

== My many criticisms with this ==

Since it seems like Miraheze is also going to be using this new Vector skin as its default, I would like to offer mine and a lot of other users' criticisms with this new skin:

* First of all, the unnecessary dead space. The actual content space is now more narrow and there is a ton of dead space.
* The user menu is now completely messed up. The log in button and talk and contribution buttons are hidden behind the three dots, even though those are the most important buttons and should be readily available. In fact, there is no need for anything to be hidden.
* The giant TOC in the sidebar. It serves no purpose and just further limits content space.

I fail to see how exactly this is an "improvement". Also, the current layout of the skin looks nothing like what is described on the page. There is nothing about a smaller user menu. Currently, the new skin just feels off to me, and I would prefer that this skin be currently branded as "experimental", since it is far from finished. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 21:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

:I'm fine with everything except the user menu changes and content width changes. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 21:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]]. Have you maybe read our documentation where we present the reasons why particular changes are needed, why we've introduced the limited width, and what we're taking into consideration regarding how to use the unused space? I invite you to explore [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features|this page]] and its sub-pages. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I already did. I read through them more thoroughly and while some seem like a good idea on paper, the user menu and limited width do not really seem to be an "improvement", as there are now extra steps involved. The user menu is the most important thing for me and many users, and now I have to click on a separate button to log in. Maybe less limited width, since right now 1/4 of the screen is just empty space with the new skin. I still use the original Vector as my personal default, but I usually browse logged out. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 22:40, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Wikistories ==

Will Vector 2022 be influenced by [[Wikistories]]? --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 10:09, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]], what do you mean by influenced? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]: If Vector 2022 will be adapted for (compatible from a design perspective with) Wikistories. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 19:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:::@[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]], definitely. All the projects that currently are being built are compatible with or neutral to Vector 2022. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 16:47, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== Visibility Suggestions ==

Hi, first of all thanks for the work and the nice redesign. I really prefer it over the old vector look already.

I use Wikipedia mainly to get an overview or better intuition about topics related to my studies. For me, I prefer the narrower text for better readability and the persistent TOC on the left side of the screen. Makes reading complex pages a lot less painful with easy access to quick navigation.

I have some suggestions for the default behaviour of the current design:

* There should be an '''option to collapse the navigation sidebar/area''' by default (the area which contains ''Main page'', ''Contents'', ''Current events'' etc.). I am one of those people who rarely uses any of those links.
* More of an issue is due to this: The '''TOC is not always immediately visible as the navigation sidebar pushes it too far down.''' Perhaps move the sidebar to somewhere else or make it collapsible by default as suggested?
* Additionally, It '''should be more obvious that the navigation sidebar/area is collapsible.''' Currently the toggle is kind of far and disconnected from the area. I only found this out after wondering what that arrow ''<<'' meant.
* A nice addition would be to add '''more obvious indicators for current position in the TOC''' (loved this new feature the most!). I think right now the text of the current headline is just black. It would be cool if there was some highlighting or perhaps a dot to make it easier to see at a quick glance.

[[User:Devin.halsted|Devin.halsted]] ([[User talk:Devin.halsted|talk]]) 11:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

:I just noticed, that the toggling of the '''navigation sidebar/area''' does indeed persist. I just didn't notice because i switched between too many tabs.
:Something other I noticed, is perhaps that would be good for '''scrollable TOC''' to be more visibly "scrollable"? Right now there is no indication except that maybe some text is cut off. [[User:Devin.halsted|Devin.halsted]] ([[User talk:Devin.halsted|talk]]) 11:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Fifth prototype testing ==

:''Moved from [[Topic:Wx2jt9he9u1ipkpb]]''
Nothing about sticky header? The order of icons, the present icons for IPs, etc. [[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]] ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]]) 17:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
: Thanks for this comment, [[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]. As we explain on the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing|page of the fifth round of prototype testing]], that round will only be dedicated to considerations around the visual design. Pure aesthetics. The order of icons, selection of icons for IP etc., are functional considerations which may be discussed right here, on this talk page, regardless of the 5th prototype testing. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:38, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== General Feedback on Sidebar ==

I agree with other feedback that complains about the sidebar being to wide. This is a waste of space, please reduce the width a bit. However, I think it's not the width of the container but the left margin that makes people (including myself) upset. Therefore, I suggest to completely get rid of the left padding of the main container. Also please reduce the left margin of the article container to just 10 or 20 px. Even more space is wasted if the side bar is collapsed: Why is the sidebar positioned higher than ToC? This leaves free space on top of it.

You discussed that the lines of text would be too long otherwise. You could significantly reduce the length if you moved the side bar from the left side to right. You then would have (from left to right) ToC, article, sidebar.

Furthermore, the ToC should be on top of the other sections because for most people, ToC is more important than the other links. Although I understand the intention behind this to invite more people to contribute to Wikipedia, I still don't like it. [[User:GeographyMasterDE|GeographyMasterDE]] ([[User talk:GeographyMasterDE|talk]]) 09:16, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

== JPG screenshots ==

Just to point out that [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements|this page]], in which supposed design gurus are offering a lifeline to a wikipedia supposedly plagued by unsofisticated looks, is illustrated with screenshots saved in JPEG format… [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuvalkin]] ([[User talk:Tuvalkin|talk]]) 14:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

== Limited Content Width ==

I want to state my opposition the limited content width. I understand the research that the narrower format improves readability. However, there are number of good reasons not to adopt the change:

* Yes, [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Popular sites with limited width|many sites]] do use fixed width content, but in many cases their motivation is to use the space to sell advertising – a function not befitting Wikimedia. (Some news sites, such as those run by [http://www.gannett.com Gannett] have even taken the theory one step further and display all their articles as overlays – meaning that if a user accidentally clicks in the shadowed area on either side, they are frustratingly taken back to the homepage.) For this reason, full width content suggests a more reputable website. It implies a dedication to the facts, rather than attempting to fill the page with flashy content. (A [http://motherfuckingwebsite.com different website] has a more profane take on the concept. It doesn't deal directly with the issue at hand, but the underlying issue is the same.) This change just seems like another case of mobile overoptimization.
* Additionally, as correctly the noted at the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Additional notes|end of the page on the change]] is "part of what makes Wikipedia, and other Wikimedia wikis, a powerful tool for sharing knowledge is that there are very few constraints on how information is presented." For example, it's the reason that widths are specified in "ems" rather than number of columns in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Div_col div col template]. Don't get me wrong, I very strongly appreciate the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Establishing a common reading experience|need for a common standard]]. I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/Style_guide#Proposed_Aircraft_Manufacture_Aircraft_Section_Table fought for it] on Wikipedia. However, this is not the place for it.
* It is clear to me that the majority of commenters here strongly oppose limited content width. It is not to be confused with people just being afraid of change. Note that there are far fewer complaints with most of the other proposed features. I don't have access to the survey results, but a [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Repository/First Prototype Feedback Report#Summary of results|sample size of 230 users]] seems exceedingly small for such a major change. Furthermore, the commenters here are likely to a better representation of the dedicated portion of the userbase, as they took the time to respond here.

I would like to end by stating I am not completely opposed to the change. However, it should only be ''opt-in'', not the default skin. –[[User:Noha307|Noha307]] ([[User talk:Noha307|talk]]) 03:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

== Width and font size and color ==
As above, I don't like adding so much margin around the sides, or punishing people with large monitors by forcing them to change skins (which is not easy for everyone). If you are set on fixed-width columns, find a way to wrap columns within a section for wide screens :) rather than leaving huge vistas blank.

I like the move to slightly larger font.

The link color changes are most welcome. The purple could be a bit more red, to make it less pastel. Good to have a combination of "high contrast w/ other text" and "doesn't wash out on displays or projection in bright areas". [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 00:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== Section number in new ToC ==

I noticed that there is no section number in the new ToC. I hope the section number will be added again because I can quickly see how many topics there are on the talk page. [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 07:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== Move infoboxes out of the text area ==

Given that we are limiting the space for text and freeing up space on the sides, it seems to me that it would be much better to move the infoboxes to the left side, and stretch the text to its full width. Like this: https://znaniya.org/c/pushkin-aleksandr-sergeevich-8cab44. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 23:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
: I second this. Such a shame that this request is already explicitly [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Frequently_asked_questions#Will_you_improve_charts,_maps,_a-/f-/o-/tmboxes,_infoboxes,_navboxes,_other_templates?|rejected in the FAQ]]. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] & @[[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]], generally, we agree that it is a nice idea. From a reader's standpoint, infoboxes aren't pure content - rather, these are metadata and could totally work as something put next to the content area. However, these are absolutely content from the technical point of view (because these are regular templates). This issue makes it... impossible? to move them. For underlying infrastructural/back-end reasons I can't explain yet.
:However, there's a turning point. What would we work on after the Desktop Improvements? We're considering options for functionalities put in that (currently) empty area. So this topic may be revisited in the future. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], thanks for the answer! Note: We can create a separate edit area that will be responsible for the infobox, or we can move the infobox using HTML :) [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== July? ==

> ''We are hoping to increase the set of early adopter wikis gradually, until our improvements are default on all wikis in July 2022.'' 
Has the schedule changed? [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 00:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

:It has, @[[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]]. Previously it was June, now it's July. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 16:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], thanks! It's just strange that there was no information about this before. And the wikis was not informed about it. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 16:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Information was sent yesterday in Tech News. Also, this week, I'll send an update to the Village Pumps. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:30, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::: Yes, I saw it, thanks for that! But the day before yesterday, when I saw this, I got scared, because the community was not ready for this. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 19:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::We work with individual communities to help them prepare. We also don't ask the most "demanding" communities to prepare yet because Vector 2022 isn't ready to get deployed there either. We take into account that some prefer Vector 2022 to be closer to "finished", and then they would start thinking about preparing. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Language switcher opt-out ==

The new language picker is a deal breaker for me as an active editor who is working with a very diverse array of topics on Wikipedia. I write about [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Māori_phonology Māori language], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тэруха Japanese geisha], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Литература_Тайваня Taiwanese literature], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Эскимосская_кухня Inuit cuisine], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Парагвайская_арфа Paraguayan instruments], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мишон Vietnamese temples], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кабилия Algerian regions], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Берберская_кухня Berber cuisine], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кайна_(профессия) Arabic professions]. I write [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_exchange articles] that compare dozens of cultures [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Грамматическое_число or languages].

I need a way to hover over the list of languages to see the name of the page in a different random language (which can be anything from Korean to Twi). I need to be able to open 50 language editions very quickly to estimate if any of them have good illustrations or any new literature on the topic that I am working on. I often read the same article in 4 languages simply because I can read in a lot of languages and I am wondering which language edition has the best article. The workflow with the new language picker is tremendously stunted.

The main idea of the new interface seems to be making the page width more narrow. With that, there is a lot of free space at the sides, and I would like to propose putting a full list of languages there, as an option. [[User:Le Loy|Le Loy]] ([[User talk:Le Loy|talk]]) 00:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes, I agree, the decision taken now does not help advanced editors work in projects, but hinders them. I think we need to make a separate setting for the "always open" list. The problems of this list have still existed since sorting was removed. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 15:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{support}}--[[User:Wdpp|Wdpp]] ([[User talk:Wdpp|talk]]) 11:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Old version ==
:''Moved from [[Topic:Wxcz2an2ck4s4cdy]]''
After these changes are made, can I still use the old settings? [[user:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] ([[user talk: Ilovemydoodle|talk]]) 09:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes [[user:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]], legacy Vector will be available and you will be able to use it as your skin. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Incorrect language name for Czech ==

I noticed that for Czech (čeština in Czech) in the new look the first letter is incorrect, it says "Ceština" instead of "Čeština". I do think it is pretty funny, but would say it should be consistent with the rest of the themes.

I hope this is the right place for this, I didn't find anywhere else to post. [[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]] ([[User talk:Filiptronicek|talk]]) 09:46, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]]. Thanks for writing to us. Most likely, it's not within our area, but I'll help you if the problem still exists. Where do you see this? On Polish and English Wikipedias, I see "Čeština". [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:42, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi there @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], perhaps it may have something to do with Czech being suggested to me as a language? I don't have an alt account to test this with though.
::Screenshot of what I see on the English wikipedia: https://i.imgur.com/T40u7rN.png. It is some very interesting behavior. Thanks for looking into this. [[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]] ([[User talk:Filiptronicek|talk]]) 13:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

== Please take the interlanguage link (aka "green link") on Chinese Wikipedia into consideration! ==

The Chinese Wikipedia currently uses a green-colored link for interlanguage links in articles, and it seems to fail the WCAG AAA. These links can been seen at [[zh:Deadmau5]], for instance. These links are used a lot on Chinese Wikipedia, and I'm not sure if it is good for readers. If you want to evaluate link colors, please also take this green link into consideration, thank you. Looking forward to your professional advice! [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 11:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:I know these links are not part of Vector 2022, but they are part of the user experience, and currently there is a discussion at Chinese Wikipedia's Village Pump about the choice of color of them, so I posted my message here. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 11:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of content (ToC) ==

Hi! Since weeks ago I don't see the table of content in the sidebar like I used to do before. It just disappeared. It happens when I'm connected in my phone using desktop version. Best regards! '''''[[User talk:Miaow|Miaow]]''''' 12:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Miaow|Miaow]]. Thank you for reporting this problem. We're working on a better look of TOC on small screens. I also strongly suggest you selecting the [[Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions|advanced mobile contributions]] mode when you're using your phone. That mode is dedicated for mobile, in contrast to Desktop Improvements. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 10:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Better alignment for wide screens ==

[[File:Article with new vector.png|thumb|]]

Here's how the new design looks on my laptop with 2560x1600 resolution. Ok, I get it, you won't do anything about the max-width and you insist on using this path. But look, the parts highlighted with purple ellipses just look misaligned. It just begs for the following:
* Reduce the white background so that its right end matches the right end of the article OR insert something into that area. Having gray empty space is ok, but having both white and gray empty spaces look just silly.
* Reduce the header so that its right end matches the right end of the article OR extend the white background of the header so that it fills the whole width of the page (see e.g. how it's done on [https://stackexchange.com StackExchange] or [https://www.reddit.com Reddit].

Again, I get your rationale that having empty space is ok. But having a white empty space on top of the gray empty space... Don't you think it's a bit too much? [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 01:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: [https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/getting-started/ Material for MkDocs] is another example of what I consider a more successful implementation of reduced max-width. The main part has the same background (having same white background on the whole page would also look good on wiki) and the header part has background that extends beyond max-width. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 01:25, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::When we look to the prototype https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue%20whale?en (and https://vector-2022.web.app/Brown_bear), it's fill by "Tools", "In other projects", "Print, share, link" [[User:Koreller|Koreller]] ([[User talk:Koreller|talk]]) 08:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::: It looks somewhat nicer, but the white empty space is still there if you collapse sidebars or scroll a bit... Also seem to have different defaults for logged in and logged out users. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Launching New Version ==
:''Moved from [[Topic:Wxf5fv5pmxyyccdy]]''
When shall the new version ([[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing/Feedback|Fifth prototype]]) be launched? [[user: Stnts256|Stnts256]] ([[user talk:Stnts256|talk]]) 08:54, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: We hope to launch Vector 2022 as default by the end of July. You can use it already by [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|selecting this option in your preferences]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]] [[User:Stnts256|Stnts256]] ([[User talk:Stnts256|talk]]) 14:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keep watchlist in the sticky header ==

For an active Wikipedia editor, watchlist is likely the most popular destination when you're on some page. Would be great to keep the link there in the header, even after some scrolling. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Keeping alerts and notices would also be nice. And also for it to work on the talk pages... [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:26, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes, it bothers me that my control panel disappears. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 16:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Second that. The most-used buttons of the standard interface (watchlist, contribs, interwikis) should stay in place, accessible with one mouse click. With the proposed layout I have to press tab-tab-tab... and then ctrl-enter to get to the watchlist. Why so? I can't reliably use the proposed drop-down menu with mouse, it's a common age-related ailment. I'd highly recommend to retain at least some bits of usability-for-disabilities: no complex manipulations. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 09:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

== clear:both rendering on old browsers ==
{{Tracked|T309711}}

I have tried browsing the wiki on Internet Explorer 11 on the new skin for one last time before Microsoft disables it, and it worked well, except something I have noticed is that the CSS property <code>@media screen .mw-body-header::after { clear:both; }</code> causes the side bar to push down the content. When unticking <code>clear:both</code> in the page inspector or when the side bar is hidden, it appears as usual. While fixing it for IE11 won't be relevant anymore, earlier versions of other browsers might have this flaw too. Mentioning it just in case. [[User:Octobod|Octobod]] ([[User talk:Octobod|talk]]) 23:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the interwikis? ==

Is there a simple way to access interwikis, other than by going to wikidata? Also, having two quasi-interwikis for wikidata is quite confusing. Only the second one actually works, the first one defaults to wikidata's start page. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 09:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] - currently, the adding interwiki links is available from the sidebar: "Edit interlanguage links" in the tools section. In the future, we would like to add them into the language selector as well. We are currently working with our Language team on this - see [[phab:T290436|Add support for empty states to the current language selector]] in phabricator for more details. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 13:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:: {{ping|OVasileva (WMF)}}, I see. Curiously, "Edit interlanguage links" does not appear on the main page (at least in ru-wp). [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 13:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Suggestion: Round borders ==

I appreciate very much the efforts to make the design of Wikipedia less outdated, and imo this new design is amazing. To make it even better I would suggest you guys to put round borders in the boxes, so let's add border-radius:14px in these functions! This will make it cleaner and softer! [[User:Duke of Wikipädia|Duke of Wikipädia]] ([[User talk:Duke of Wikipädia|talk]]) 22:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Top margin in title ==

Just noticed the new version and it looks like the title's top margin was reduced. There is an awkward amount of bottom margin for the title compared to top margin and I personally prefer the previous margins. [[User:0xDeadbeef|0xDeadbeef]] ([[User talk:0xDeadbeef|talk]]) 06:55, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

== Very minor improvements ==

I just got the new toolbar this morning, and I absolutely love it! Finally Wikipedia does not look old anymore. But I would like you guys to add a little more than just a border for the active section in the toolbar, probably a lighter background for active tabs and a darker one for non active tabs.

For example, if I'm reading an article, the 'Read' tab in addition to the bottom border, it should be lighter. The 'Talk' tab should be lighter also if I'm in the talk section. This should work well with something like option 3 combined with option 9 (where the header and the title has grey background) in [https://di-visual-design-borders-bgs.web.app/Zebra this border and background demo here]. I like option 3 a lot so it would be good if you guys implemented it, haha.

I apologize if my English is not clear. [[User:Klrfl|Klrfl]] ([[User talk:Klrfl|talk]]) 12:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

== new table of contents ==

For pages with a long table of contents such as this one, the table of contents starts jumping to highlight the current heading. Would it be possible to consider smooth scrolling behaviour for the table of contents at the new location (as for example invoked by <code>.vector-toc-enabled .sidebar-toc { scroll-behavior: smooth; }</code>)? Or is there something like a frozen state or is/was/will be this rejected for another reason? --[[User:CamelCaseNick|CamelCaseNick]] ([[User talk:CamelCaseNick|talk]]) 23:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:Patafisik|Patafisik]] ([[User talk:Patafisik|talk]]) 10:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Sister project links ==
(From [https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente%3APatafisik_%28WMF%29&type=revision&diff=127968745&oldid=127933193 it.wikipedia])

{{ping|Friniate}} suggests to gather the Wikidata link and the Sister project links in the same place.--[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 09:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

== Impact ==

How does the team plan to assess/measure whether the Vector changes work towards their stated goals, so that we're able to correct course in case they don't? [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 00:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Great addition of ToC menu through icon wrt zoom !!! ==

I <s>have just</s> discovered a few days ago, in the french version of WP, as well as here in MediaWiki, the addition of a ToC menu, just before the title, that appears when the left column is NOT visible (at least effect of zooming), and '''this is a GREAT GREAT improvement, MANY-many thanks to the developpers'''.

There still remains a small bug that appeared with this change (at least I didn't notice it before) : the upper (collapsile) bar appears no more. It reappears back when zoom permits back the side left column (tested with an article page in fr.WP ; no appearance "here" while editing, or even while just reading. but I guess it's a different thing, maybe because this is a talk page : I get the same "behaviour" in a talk page from fr.WP : no appearance of the upper collapside bar even if a left colum ToC is present. Might not be a "bug", but a feature, though I would personnaly prefer a uniform behaviour).

Whatever, great thanks to the developers. 
  (Poke @[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] : thanks for relaying these improvements, and back, our comments. Best :-) ) 
  -- [[User:Eric.LEWIN|Eric.LEWIN]] ([[User talk:Eric.LEWIN|talk]]) 06:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Both the ToCs ==

(From the French Wikipedia [[:fr:Discussion_Projet:Am%C3%A9lioration_de_l%27interface_par_la_WMF#Sommaire_%C3%A0_gauche_:_ajouter_plut%C3%B4t_que_remplacer_?|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/24_mai_2022#Sommaire|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/26_mai_2022#Bug_du_sommaire|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/19_juin_2022#Tables_des_mati%C3%A8res|here]] and [[:fr:Wikipédia:Le_Bistro/25_juin_2022#Sommaire_dans_la_barre_de_gauche|here]])

I've already reported this to Szymon, but I think it will be important to have this suggestion also in this page, visible to all and open to comments.

Different users of the French Wikipedia consider the old ToC and the new one as two complementary tools, and they want both! Reasons: 1) for the context, the ToC should be on the top of the article. If we have the first part of the sidebar occupied by the wiki navigation menu, the ToC is too far on the bottom of the page, it appears on the top only when you scroll down 2) the layout of articles with illustrations is completely disrupted.

Both why?

"When I look at the beginning of an article, I expect to see a ToC with the main sections in order to understand how the article is structured (quite like in a Word document). This makes it easier to read.
The ToC on the left is then very useful when you scroll down the article and want to navigate between sections, but it is an additional feature. It should not replace the current summary, which is still useful.
Or it should be displayed from the start at the top left, when you are at the top of the article (quite like on Universalis)." (summarised by Pronoia [https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ALe_Bistro%2F26_mai_2022&type=revision&diff=194205255&oldid=194153014 here])--[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 11:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Интервики в правый блок ==

Сейчас правое поле статьи абсолютно пустое. Что мешает перенести туда интервики-ссылки, вместо их полного сворачивания, а также подходящие по смыслу к ним ссылки на братские проекты? Это позволит: 1) избежать совершенно ненужного сворачивания списка (бессмысленно его уменьшать, когда высвободилось столько места); 2) заполнить правое поле; 3) частично разгрузить левое поле, чтобы оглавление было лучше видно сразу на первой же странице текста (сейчас при текущих настройках экрана я во французской Википедии вижу в среднем две верхних строки оглавления). [[User:AndyVolykhov|AndyVolykhov]] ([[User talk:AndyVolykhov|talk]]) 12:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Languages in the new desktop interface ==

In the older interface I can select the interwikis that I need most and put them on top of the interwikis' list; same possibility should be in the newer interface. [[User:Leokand|Leokand]] ([[User talk:Leokand|talk]]) 15:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== minor issues ==

* The position at which the table of contents is sticky changes with the sticky header becoming visible/hidden. (<code>.vector-toc-enabled.vector-sticky-header-visible .sidebar-toc { margin-top: 1.5em }</code> vs. <code>.vector-toc-enabled .sidebar-toc { margin-top: 3.5em }</code>) With the sidebar navigation hidden, this makes the table of contents jump up by <code>2em</code> while scrolling.
* At a window width of exactly 1000px the table of contents on the left is displayed but styled like the drop-down table of contents and the drop-down button is still visible but has no influence on the table of contents.
* At 720px+ the logo is displayed, the username and potentially a language switcher. With my username on this wiki in German, the watchlist and the user menu are outside the viewport, so this threshold is chosen to narrow. Maybe a solution would be to move the username link to the user menu at 1000px and lower.
(For CSS rendering, I use Firefox v101.) -- [[User:CamelCaseNick|CamelCaseNick]] ([[User talk:CamelCaseNick|talk]]) 17:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Drop-down menues = poor accessibility ==

Repeating prior statements for clarity: May I speak on behalf of old folks with less-than-perfect control of palms and fingers. The replacement of simple "button" links (contribution, statistics, interwikis...) with drop-down menues becomes a huge inconvenience. In plain monobook, I can simply click on the interwiki, and hopefully get the desired tab at the first try. In vector-2022, I cannot reliably pull down the drop-down list and then select something with a mouse... it almost never works as intended. A very common age-related ailment, it just happens. The only robust workaround is to use the keyboard to "tab-tab-tab..." to the desired control box, and then "enter-tab-tab-...-enter" through the list. And, in case of interwikis, selecting the main (en:) wikipedia takes atrociously long time - instead of being #1 entry, as in old good monobook with my normal preference settings, it's somewhere down the middle of the list. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:46, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Irish language Wikipedia and Vector 2022 ==

[[File:Irish Wikipedia random article - Vector 2022.png|thumb|ga.wp random article screencap - Vector 2022]]
[[File:Irish Wikipedia random article - Vector old.png|thumb|ga.wp random article screencap - current Vector]]

Hi there. I'm [[w:ga:User:Alison]] - admin and bureaucrat on the Irish language Wikipedia. I'd be remiss in not providing feedback, I think, so here goes.

* I see other folks pointing out the massive amount of whitespace / padding in the left side navbar which is squeezing out the actual article text on the right. On our wiki, it really seems significant. IMO, article is all, and we seem to be sacrificing actual content real-estate for ... what, exactly? Yes, it looks 'less cluttered', but there's actually less content - especially for those of us who both browse ''and'' edit on laptop screens.

* On the top tab section (which is otherwise quite nice), you can see the ''Plé'' (Talk) and ''Léigh'' (Read) are scrunched together with no separation. I18n bug, maybe?

* The main image and title have lost their localization and now show "Wikipedia" instead of "Vicipéid" - this could just be an image localization / config issue. Could someone point me in the right direction, maybe? I did the original, later-font localization for our wiki, some years back, so happy to dip in and fix :)

Le gach dea-ghuí (best regards),

-- Allie [[User:Alison|'''Alison''']] [[User talk:Alison|❤]] 16:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

:multilingual Wikipedians: during redesigh include current non-english desighs for evaluation, including spanish, french and german. They have good ideas and bad ideas... [[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 01:10, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
: The "PléLéigh" issue looks like it's [[phab:T309223|T309223]], a known issue. Until it is fixed in MediaWiki, try updating your browser(s) – the issue occurs if your browser doesn't support a certain relatively new feature. [[User:Rummskartoffel|Rummskartoffel]] ([[User talk:Rummskartoffel|talk]]) 21:59, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hey there! Regarding logos https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T244486 is what you are looking for - basically every logo needs to be recreated. You can request one on that ticket to be prioritized higher or find information about creating new ones.
::Regarding sidebar whitespace I am not sure I understand. The extra padding is for the table of contents underneath the sidebar. You say it's squeezing article text on the right but in your screenshots the Vector 2022 screenshot shows more of the article text. I can see the description section heading for example.
::I can confirm the PléLéigh issue is a bug and will hopefully be fixed soon.
::Hope this is helpful. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 01:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== TOC-Feedback ==

I just recognized what disturbs me the most with the new TOC. I wasn't able to access the TOC without scrolling or clicking when using a community-Page. The main thing: '''It's mixing system and content'''. The TOC is for the content, but appearing on a place of "system". The "frame" is the Media-Wikisystem: accessing Community-Pages, Help, recent changes, user-page etc. Inside the "frame" is the content (the "article", the "book"...). Although it's kind of logical to have the TOC sticky on the side there are so many problems with it:
# the TOC can't be manipulated by magic words, which is a pretty well used functionality.
# the TOC can't be placed to the right, which is pretty often used in german wikibooks.
# the TOC is in competition with the other menus.
# the TOC is now at a place where normally links to other pages are placed.
The same fear of mixing system and content goes with switching the Header and the "Editing-Tabs" (Compare https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale: '''Blue Whale''' first, ''read/edit'' second). BTW the TOC works at this demo-page because the Main Menu is so short. But since this is not fixed (which is a good thing!), the Main Menu might be longer. A good illustration of the problem is visible just the paragraph above this: [[#Irish language Wikipedia and Vector 2022]]. The TOC in the Vector22-Example is completely missing!

So, just as an Idea: '''divide system and content''' - say system top&left (as it's always been) and content bottom&right. the TOC could be placed "always right" next to the text. At least please let the editor choose what to do with the TOC. I mean, wouldn't it be so bad if it's within the Content '''and''' at the side?

I'm fine with the new skin and all the work that has been put in, but the TOC is becoming unusable for me like it is right now. If it's really becoming permanent, it will probably result in "self-made-TOCs" which will break pretty often, because of the "wiki"-system. [[User:HirnSpuk|HirnSpuk]] ([[User talk:HirnSpuk|talk]]) 17:37, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== The new design is everything I feared ==

Jumpable, irritatingly movable buttons? Check. Sticky UI that eats up immense space both at the top (header) and to the left (table of contents)? Check. Tiny narrow line of text in the middle? Check. Buttons not looking like buttons, thus confusing me as to what I may click? Check. The language menu made objectively worse, with more clicks necessary to use than before? Check. Every single change is atrocious, negative, and honestly makes me feel depressed - I will either try to scour Reddit for browser extensions to remove as much of it as possible (no, logged in user things are useless to me as I'm never logged in), or I will leave Wikipedia for good (mental health is more important than knowledge).

Just look at this useless eyesore of a sticky table of contents ([https://i.postimg.cc/bz2zZM2C/2022-06-22-Wikipedia-English-51-UI-bug.png screenshot on postimage] - I hope, you aren't getting the ads, I'm getting none). Even aesthetics-wise, it's botched - the bottom is smudged, the top cut-off. And it's not even at the edge of the screen! It's an exercise in ugliness.

And just saying it here, this Wikimedia redesign is already making it unintuitive for me to write. When I tried to insert the link, I couldn't even see the [https://i.postimg.cc/qBp0ZvDS/2022-06-22-Wikipedia-English-53-UI-bug.png ''upload'' button] - because it's on the edge of the sub-menu (like on phones), not somewhere sensible, like on computers (again, compare how it is on current Wikipedia - a [https://postimg.cc/TpMNbPHg large nice menu with clear buttons at the bottom], computer design). [[User:Adûnâi|Adûnâi]] ([[User talk:Adûnâi|talk]]) 18:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== wordmark no longer appears after upgrading to MediaWiki 1.38.1, style bugs ==

After upgrading to MediaWiki 1.38.1 from 1.36.1, the wordmark no longer appears next to the icon in the upper left. If the window is wide enough, the 150px space for the wordmark is reserved but is empty. When you make the window wider past a certain width, the coloring behind the sidebar also vanishes. This happens with Vector 2010 in both legacy and non-legacy mode and in Vector 2022. The wordmark image is an svg that has not moved and still has correct permissions [[User:Queernix1028|Queernix1028]] ([[User talk:Queernix1028|talk]]) 19:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

:What is the value of wgLogos in your LocalSettings.php? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 14:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
$wgLogos = [
'icon' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/logo.svg",
'1x' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/logo.png",
'wordmark' => [
'src' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/wordmark.png",
'1x' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/wordmark.svg",
'width' => 150,
],
];
::It previously worked with wordmark src set to the svg file, but now neither that configuration nor the one above work. [[User:Queernix1028|Queernix1028]] ([[User talk:Queernix1028|talk]]) 14:32, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:I believe you need to set a height on the wordmark. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 00:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== Menus — https://di-visual-design-menus.web.app/Brown_bear. ==

*left side menu persistency is screen wasteful, bad idea
** use a tab like google maps?
*left side menu: should be hamburger only
**as an option for experienced, registered users
**need style sheet that puts ''left side column'' '''at bottom of page''' as a footer
*language list:
**should include native and english names
**include a user-customizable shortlist
*[[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 00:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

== Language links on Wikidata are right at the bottom of the page ==

I've enabled the new theme (Vector 2022) globally on all wikis. I generally like the new interface. However when I am on wikidata, previously the interlanguage links were on the right. (Where an infobox usually goes on a wikipedia page) Now they are right at the bottom of the page! Some wikidata pages are massive, and having to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the screen to do the thing I do most frequently on wikidata (add new language links) is a real pain. Please can you move the language links on wikidata back to the top (top right) of the page? - [[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]] ([[User talk:Rooiratel|talk]]) 14:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]]. Thanks for your opinion. Are you talking about the desktop view? What's the resolution of your screen? I've tried to narrow my window down and change its width, and it seems that the width thresholds when the interwiki links go from the bottom to the right are the same. Is there any setting you use that may make your experience different? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi {{ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} this is for the desktop view. I am seeing this behaviour on my 1080p laptop screen and my 1440p desktop screen. I haven't used the mobile view, so can't comment on that. - [[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]] ([[User talk:Rooiratel|talk]]) 06:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Infobox element alignment is mangled in mobile view ==

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but when I click on "Mobile view" with Vector 2022, many of the infobox elements are misaligned. Many elements that should be centered are left-aligned, and many elements that should be left-aligned are centered. At least that's what it looks like for me in Chrome for Mac OS at [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic&useskin=vector-2022 this page]. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 02:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:Wow, that looks odd. Thanks @[[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] for reporting this. Right now, I only have one question - why do you use the mobile view and Vector 2022 mixed together? Minerva is dedicated for mobile, and Vector 2022 is dedicated for desktop. Having these two at the same time is bold and original :) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::I was just doing some very beginner-level QA testing. Editors do all sorts of ridiculous things, so I try to do some QA testing by doing ridiculous things. If you want editors to use Vector 2022 for desktop-only and Minerva for mobile-only, then make the "Mobile view"/"Desktop view" link at the bottom of the screen switch between the skins. Meanwhile, I'll be over here in legacy Vector where I can fill my browser window with content.... [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:15, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Using the mobile domain with the Vector skin invokes a special mode with lots of odd behaviour. It's not part of this project but will hopefully get fixed some day. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:30, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== "Related articles" appear to be missing ==

I do not see the "Related articles" section at the bottom of the mobile view. I don't really care, but since the "Principles" section of this page says "We do not remove any functionality", I thought I'd mention it. It makes me wonder what other functionality has been removed, and whether this principle is really being followed in a systematic way. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 03:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

RelatedArticles appears to be working fine to me. I see it on Minerva. What do you mean by "at the bottom of mobile view"? The scope of this project is the desktop site so no changes to the mobile domain have been made.

RelatedArticles does not show on the skins of certain websites and has not shown on Vector or Vector 2022 unless the community has explicitly requested. See [[phab:T144812]], [[phab:T181242]] and [[phab:T278611]] for example. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 14:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
:I think this is my mistake. I was comparing [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic this] (default mobile view on en.WP) with [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic&useskin=vector-2022 this] (Vector 2022 mobile view) and assuming that the default mobile view used some version of the Vector skin, but I think that is not correct. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah okay. This mode is only accessible by a special URL and is not being worked on as part of this project. Thanks for taking the time to explain! [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== 非常に見にくい ==

日本語で失礼します。本日ごろから日本語版ウィキペディアのスキンに変更があったようですが、
# 文字の大きさをブラウザ側から変更できない(Safari使用)。
# そもそも標準の文字サイズが大きすぎる。
# 目次が項目名の横に位置が変わったせいでアクセスが煩雑になった。
# Infoボックスが大きすぎる
などの変更のせいで、余計見づらくなったような気がします。可能であれば改善するか、もしくは変更前のスキンに戻して欲しいです。 [[User:イカしたイカ|イカしたイカ]] ([[User talk:イカしたイカ|talk]]) 08:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Please evaluate CJK characters' font size in Vector 2022 ==
{{tracked|T311469}}
For your infomation, the Chinese Wikipedia already has a [[zh:MediaWiki:Gadget-large-font.css|gadget]] that increases the font size for a better Chinese reading experience. Japanese and classical Chinese Wikipedia also have such kinds of gadgets. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 08:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

:It would be nice if we could integrate these gadgets into new Vector skin directly. This would benefit other CJK and multilingual wikis. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 08:20, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]]! @[[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] FYI :) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I think we should create a phabricator ticket for this one. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback regarding Vector (2022) TOC ==

I've had Vector (2022) enabled for a while, and generally like it. However:

* I don't feel the new way of handling the TOC and side menu is user friendly. It took me a while to notice I could hide the side menu only to raise the TOC up the page, as I assumed it would also hide the TOC since the two are part of the same sidebar. With the side menu visible, I had to scroll much further down than usual to find the TOC on many articles with short lead sections, which undermined the convenience previously provided by the TOC as a way to skip scrolling and quickly navigate to a desired section.
** It also doesn't help that the [[w:Template_talk:Skip_to_talk#Broken_functionality_with_new_version_of_vector_theme|new TOC breaks the functionality of]] {{tl|Skip to talk}}, widely used on talk pages on Wikipedia, but I now understand that the change is intended to make that template unnecessary.
** The prototype [https://di-visual-design-menus.web.app/Brown_bear linked by others above] deals with some of these issues but is still a bit confusing. It's not clear that clicking "hide" on the TOC should result in a menu appearing by the article title rather than just collapsing it like collapsible lists which use the same "[hide]" links; while this behaviour can be learned, it's not clear why the hidden TOC menu button doesn't persist between the search icon and article title when scrolling down, which is what I expected after seeing it collapse to a button beside the article title.

* The new sidebar is wider to accommodate the TOC, but much of that space is blank so I'm not sure it needs to be quite so wide, particularly as the added width can cause issues such as galleries by default having less space for images per row. I understand the motivation is to limit the characters of text per line, but doing so by padding the sidebar with empty space seems like an unhelpful way to achieve that. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 16:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the watch/unwatch buttons? ==
Alright, if the article is long enough to be scrolled, I should scroll it down, the top row of icons will jerk left-right, and the "watchlist" icon will become the "watch/unwatch" toggle. Hopelessly inconvenient, counterintuitive, but it works. But what if the article is so short that it won't scroll at all? [https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D0%A6%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8&oldid=123611287 example] Seems like "preferences/watchlist/edit raw watchlist" is the only go-around, is it not? [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 12:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]]: There's a smaller star-shaped watch/unwatch toggle to the right of the "View history"/"История" link. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 14:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:: Thanks, that was most unexpected. I'd rather prefer old good text links. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 15:59, 27 June 2022 (UTC) The new star looks almost exactly like the existing GA star, just a different shade of grey (but in almost the same corner location as in standard monobook). [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 16:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:"Thanks, that was most unexpected. I'd rather prefer old good text links" - you're a Monobook user, am I right? This may be a good reason why it's most unexpected for you. Vector 2022 is based on Vector legacy (2010), and the star icon has been there for 12 years. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 01:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Merge notification block in the header: notifications and alerts ==
{{Tracked|T142981}}
For me, it has always been a strange decision that notifications were divided into two unrelated blocks and icons with incomprehensible categorization. I forgot about it, but now I'm paying attention again.

Given that we removed the text from all menus, there are now a lot of icons at the top that do not understand what they do. Different blocks of notifications do not help this at all. Maybe it's time to put them in one menu and break it there already? Filters, tabs, whatever :) But at least you won't get confused in the icons.

I personally still (6 years!) do not know what their fundamental difference is. I asked my friends and they don't know either. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 17:29, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{Strong oppose}}. The notices are the notifications that are not very important/urgent, unlike the alerts. Merging them would make me unable to found out at a glance if I have any important/urgent notification, and would also overload the notification box, as I receive many notifications. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 22:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:: It seems to me that it is possible to do this with filters and colored marker icons. Or a separate setting for users who really need it. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 09:47, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{Comment}}. I agree that the distinction could be clearer, but don't necessarily agree that there should be only one button. Presently, when both are empty the only difference between them is the header text and icon. Both share the exact same two buttons, which link to the same destinations. The text in the box doesn't even distinguish, reading "There are no notifications" instead of "There are no alerts". There isn't even a "help" or "about" link unique to each of them to explain the difference or what gets sent where. If you follow the links to the special page or preferences, it's still not clear which notifications are sent where.

:Based on the names, I would've assumed the difference would be that alerts are specifically for subscriptions to [[Wikipedia:Article alerts|article alerts]], whereas notifications would be for everything else. It makes sense to split them, since alerts would be activity that's less personal to the receiver. "Alerts" would be like a daily newspaper, but "notifications" are more like personal mail. Except this isn't how the system actually functions; messages to the receiver's talk page are placed under "Alerts" rather "Notices", for example.

:I understand that it may be helpful to filter urgent notifications from less urgent ones, but what counts as urgent or important? Shouldn't that be decided by the user's preferences? It would make more sense to have something like tabs, as Iniquity suggested, to filter types of notifications; this would let that user decide what is important. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 22:33, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of contents: Bold format for active section ==

I really appreciate the new skin and layout. In the beta, the active/current section of the article was formatted bold in the table of contents on the left side. But in the live version, it's regular and black. I find it really, really hard to differentiate between the normal blue titles and the active title, because the only difference is the black vs. blue color. Could you please make the active titles bold again?
Thank you! [[User:Lhennen|Lhennen]] ([[User talk:Lhennen|talk]]) 21:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:+1 Bold and black would be best imo. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lhennen|Lhennen]], @[[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] - thank you for your feedback! Not sure if you've seen, but we are currently in the middle of testing some [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing|prototypes]] related to this question. You're welcome to give us more detailed feedback on the prototype page. One of the things we're testing on these is the way links should appear within the table of contents (see https://di-visual-design-toc-active.web.app/Otter) for an example. Currently, our feedback is showing us that people are leaning towards option 2: bold and black so we will most likely be continuing with that option and making the titles bold. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

== Jawiki has NOT reached consensus on implementing Vector 2022 yet ==

Jawiki has '''NOT''' reached consensus on implementing Vector 2022 yet. Why was it implemented without our consent? [[User:AppleRingo777|AppleRingo777]] ([[User talk:AppleRingo777|talk]]) 22:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:AppleRingo777|AppleRingo777]] - we apologize for the confusion that the deployment process has caused and the lack of clarity from our side. We are currently working on reading back through our previous communications and clarifying the process and what happened with individual members of the community. We will to get back to the community with more detailed thoughts and a process for next steps by tomorrow July 1st. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 12:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] ==

Hello! I asked a question at the meeting, but I would like to duplicate it here. Will it be possible to control the location of blocks (right or left) through [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]? [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 15:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keep the TOC under the main menu as long as possible (Vector 2022) ==

When the window gets narrower the TOC is moved into a "Hamburger button". But the main menu stays where it is until the window get's quite a bit more narrower. I think as long as the main menu fits, the TOC should stay at its original place. Especially since the TOC behind the "Hamburger button" is quite easy to miss. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== "Move" is the only in the "More" drop down menu (Vector 2022) ==

I think it's quite odd that the "More" drop down menu most of the time contains only "move". Is it on purpose to make it harder to find for the average user? [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
* {{ping|L.xschlag}}, I have two items - the other is an add-on via preferences/gadgets. Unfortunately, I cannot use drop-down menues easily, so getting there in V-2022 is quite a nuisance. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Actions menu overflows when main menu is active (Vector 2022) ==

When the main menu is active (meaning visible) and the window is quite narrow the actions menu (Read, Edit source, Add topic, View history) doesn't get condensed in the "More" drop down menu, resulting in a very ugly overflow. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:41, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== Audio player issues (Vector 2022) ==

When pressing play from a wikipedia article (e.g. first clip in [[:w:en:Aftermath_(Rolling_Stones_album)]]), the page changes text colour from black to pale grey. Almost unreadable. This dead time varies from a few seconds to many minutes, probably caused by unsteady connection on my side. I tried opening 2-3-4... windows with the same article, and some windows seem to be stuck indefinitely while others play with minimal (but still annoying) delay. If I press play directly from file description page ( [[:w:en:File:Under_My_Thumb.ogg]]), it always plays instantly and the text always stays black. Win 10 Home / Chrome 102.0.5005.115 (64-bit) [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 19:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Language mix in the interface ==

Pardon me if this had already been discussed here. It seems that the language of the interface (as set in preferences) mixes up with local-language elements where it shouldn't.
# My preferences are always "interface=en", and thus I always see "Contents Beginning" in the TOC section - be it Chinese, Russian or Spanish wiki.
# The pink box above TOC in ru-wiki says "On this Википедия[sic!] the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Go to top." In zh-wiki, however, the message is correctly "On this Wikipedia the language links ..." [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the categories? ==
Hi this is my first time looking at the prototype, so apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere - where are the categories? [[User:MassiveEartha|MassiveEartha]] ([[User talk:MassiveEartha|talk]]) 04:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== 開発者集団は日本語版を軽視していると思われるThe group of developers seems to downplay the Japanese version ==

日本語版の利用者の一人としては、開発者の集団は日本語版を軽視していると考える。一つの証拠として開発者からの意見を求めるメッセージが英語だけで書かれていたことを挙げておく。機械翻訳があるのだから英語と共に日本語を添えることは簡単なことのはずである。それすらせずにVectorからVector2022への変更を強行したことは、一種の文化帝国主義であると評さざるを得ない。As one of the users of the Japanese version, I think that the group of developers disregards the Japanese version. One proof is that the message for the developer's opinion was written in English only. Since there is machine translation, it should be easy to add Japanese along with English. It must be said that forcing the change from Vector to Vector 2022 without doing so is a kind of cultural imperialism.--[[Special:Contributions/27.85.205.84|27.85.205.84]] 07:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== Vector 2022を強要する行為は、開発者が読者を軽視していることの証拠である The act of forcing Vector 2022 is evidence that developers are downplaying their readers. ==

開発者（の集団）はアカウントユーザーなら自分で好きなスキンを使えるのだから、あまり出来がよいとは言えないVector 2022を強要してっもかまわないと考えているようである。しかし、元々Vector 2022は読者として快適に使えることを考慮していない。開発者（の集団）は読者がいなければいくら記事を作っても意味がないということを忘れているのだろうか。It seems that developers (a group of people) are willing to force Vector 2022, which is not very good, because account users can use their favorite skins. However, originally Vector 2022 did not consider it to be comfortable to use as a reader. Do developers (groups) forget that it doesn't make sense to write an article without a reader?--[[Special:Contributions/27.85.205.84|27.85.205.84]] 07:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== Listed coordinates overlapping with header weirdly ==

for an example of this, see wp's [[:en:London|london]] article ([https://imgur.com/a/rEngM3R screenshot]) [[User:LarstonMarston|LarstonMarston]] ([[User talk:LarstonMarston|talk]]) 20:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements

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== Where is the TOC? ==
People here are complaining about it. I don't even get one! [[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]] ([[User talk:Betaneptune|talk]]) 17:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]]. Do you still have this problem? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi ! I have the same problem on the French version of Wikipedia. The TOC just disappeared. The problem appears in Firefox desktop (last version 101.0.1), even in "troubleshoot" mode with all my add-ons deactivated. However, the problem does not appear in Chrome. This is extremely confusing. I reported it on some discussion page on the french version of WP, but I also mention it here, as I'm not sure at all where to report the problem for it to be taken into account. [[Special:Contributions/85.169.195.108|85.169.195.108]] 17:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
: The TOC is now on the left side, but after other menu lists. It should probably come first. But to keep things accessible, the (hidden) "jump to main menu" link should be kept as first element of course. [[User:Psychoslave|Psychoslave]] ([[User talk:Psychoslave|talk]]) 15:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
::Agreed. The TOC ''really'' should come first. The {{mono|#mw-navigation}} menu (which currently appears first) is comprised of mostly ancillary links unrelated to the page's content, many of which are rarely used (e.g., ''"Download as PDF"'', ''"Create a book"'', ''"Permanent link"'', etc). [[User:OmenBreeze|OmenBreeze]] ([[User talk:OmenBreeze|talk]]) 00:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Too narrow (again) ==

Why waste all that space? I have a nice wide screen so I want to take advantage of it. Those who want to have it narrow can just reduce their window sizes? Overall, not a great look. Not exciting. Quite boring.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] ([[User talk:Xania|talk]]) 11:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Xania|Xania]], you can read about our [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Limiting_content_width#Goals_and_motivation|goals and motivation]] for limiting the width. Also, we are working on a solution to use the empty space. Could you take a look at [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing/it|our fourth prototype]] and write more on what you think about arranging the space as it is presented there? Thank you in advance! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 14:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Oh my dear God, why don't you give an option to unrestrict the width?? It's beyond ridiculous how absolutely tiny is the page content on my monitor horizontally! I have to scroll all the time to read! Don't ruin Wikipedia the same way Fandom was ruined! [[Special:Contributions/90.188.46.13|90.188.46.13]] 04:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::We have given this option. This can be done with the [[:en:User:Jdlrobson/vector-max-width-toggle.js|gadget one of our engineers made]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 03:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks, but maybe we should have an easy plug-in system for ordinary users or, at least, the instructions how to apply it and a place where to find those customisations. By default it is really narrow to read and it feels like a news site rather than an encyclopedia article. [[User:Krnl0138|Krnl0138]] ([[User talk:Krnl0138|talk]]) 09:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::I agree, the toggle option should be there by default! By the way, that script does not work well currently, so I [[:en:User:Arthurfragoso/vector-max-width-toggle.js|updated it here]]. — [[User:Arthurfragoso|Arthurfragoso]] ([[User talk:Arthurfragoso|talk]]) 13:28, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::I don't understand why you are still pushing on us that bad design choice. It still is time to pull the plug and start to work on a plain page design. You are convincing no one here. Please, please, really, please stop this nonsense. Forcing bad choices on your users because you are the only product on the market is never a good thing.
::Since it has been forced without asking anyone on the French Wikipedia I had to register just to come back to the normal and good design. That's something, as a simple reader, I should never have had to do in the first place.
::So one last time, please come back to reason and stop hurting your user base foolishly. [[User:DerpFox|DerpFox]] ([[User talk:DerpFox|talk]]) 21:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Hello @[[User:DerpFox|DerpFox]], thanks for your comment. Have you maybe followed the links I've shared in my answer to Xania? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 03:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::The lines in the fourth prototype seem to be slightly wider to me on 1080p display than in the current version of 2022 vector design, but those empty strips on the sides, each of which are almost the size of the old navigation mv-panel, constantly remind about the space wasted.
::If the only reason of this thinning is the recommended line lengths in symbols and you want to keep it for any price, I would suggest using a dynamic font size, so, for example, starting from some resolution the symbols just grow larger. This might also reduce the eye strain connected to focusing on the small text.
::[[User:Kageneko|Kageneko]] ([[User talk:Kageneko|talk]]) 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
::I had a browse over the reasons for the change, but I still don't like or agree with the main justification more or less boiling down to "everyone else is doing it so we should too". Even in the linked examples, the page still feels a lot more "full" despite having a dedicated deadspace on the site, due to the way the page has been very carefully designed in a mixture of different kinds of block contents (images, text interactive eliments, etc).
::Accepted Webpage standards used to be against having blank, unused and waisted deadspace, but at some point in the last 10 years there seems to have been a weird shift to the opposite where deadspace is all the rage, though it's not one I've personally ever liked or agreed with.
::While I'm sure there are good uses of limiting page width, I'm not sure if Wikipedia, being a site that is mainly made up of text would really benefit from it as it's likely just going to squash pages and increase the amount of vertical scrolling required to navigate. [[User:Dave247|Dave247]] ([[User talk:Dave247|talk]]) 07:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah it's too narrow otherwise. the look is very nice, it's not boring as you tell. [[User:Crater bug|Crater bug]] ([[User talk:Crater bug|talk]]) 15:28, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
:I totally agree! I dislike the vector skin because how small it is. [[User:OverAWallOfMetaKnight|OverAWallOfMetaKnight]] ([[User talk:OverAWallOfMetaKnight|talk]]) 15:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:Agreed. I use a 3440x1440 screen (usually with a tiled layout), and this new layout forces all the content to occupy a comically narrow strip, instead of allowing me to choose the width myself. [[User:Emptyflask|Emptyflask]] ([[User talk:Emptyflask|talk]]) 13:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
:I agree, there is simply too much space wasted that could be used for more article space and a button specifically for those who want to edit wikipedia [[User:Techny3000|Techny3000]] ([[User talk:Techny3000|talk]]) 02:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
:hard to read I'm glad I stayed the same as before No changes required [[Special:Contributions/240B:11:E7E0:5E00:6005:3399:E6C:2B48|240B:11:E7E0:5E00:6005:3399:E6C:2B48]] 14:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

After reviewing the posted defense of the narrowing and the feedback listed here, this feature belongs entirely as an optional setting. It most certainly should not be the website's default. [[User:RightQuark|RightQuark]] ([[User talk:RightQuark|talk]]) 01:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:The defence of the narrowing seems to have little real-world bonuses. It may be theoretically good but makes it bad to read because Wikipedia articles can be long [[User:Torqueing|Torqueing]] ([[User talk:Torqueing|talk]]) 17:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm fine with the text being narrow but the ui and nav bar should be full width. --[[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]] ([[User talk:Thedonquixotic|talk]]) 00:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]], what do you mean by the ui and nav bar? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
::Not sure what is unclear here. I mean the navbar. As in the bar up at the top of the page with use account, search etc. [[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]] ([[User talk:Thedonquixotic|talk]]) 19:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I also have a wide screen monitor. I do not like this forced width shrinkage in the Vector 2022 skin. [[User:OhanaUnited|OhanaUnited]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|Talk page]] 17:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

In current form without a toggle for width this layout is unacceptable on large monitors. Even my old 14'' monitor. For now I am reverting to avoid having in forced horizontal white-space. [[User:Phatom87|phatom87]] ([[User talk:Phatom87|talk]]) 14:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

:Absolutely unacceptable, too narrow, an unjustified waste of space. [[User:Loupeter|Loupeter]] ([[User talk:Loupeter|talk]]) 10:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:It sounds like the fixed-max-width (assuming one's window is wide enough, and regardless of how much wider it might be) is a compromise between the needs of two different types of reading activities. I have both habits (skim vs detail-read), and felt especially the concern that the text doesn't obey what *I* do with my window. A reason I might widen my window is exactly because I want wider content. A comprimse necessarily isn't ideal for either one side. A better solution is to make it easy and discoverable how to get the *best* feel for whatever one is trying to do, rather than forcing so many to have a sub-par experience. A third-party gadget isn't discoverable and is surely more fragile than a first-class toggle feature of the skin itself. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 15:16, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keyboard shortcut does not focus search field in sticky header ==
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When pressing the keyboard shortcut for search (alt + shift + f) the search field at the top of the page is focused, even if the sticky header is showing. It would be better if the search field in the sticky header was focused. As it is now the page will scroll to the top which is unnecessary. [[User:Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)|Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)]] ([[User talk:Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)|talk]]) 16:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

== Page-title and Search ==

In a nutshell, I believe
* the Search would benefit from being (a) more consistently placed, and (b) more accessible from the sticky header by having a larger click-target.
** See image at [[:File:Vector-sticky-header-version1-search-size.png]] (and more [[#Search_box_size_and_location|details above]])
* the Page-title is already visible in multiple locations, and ''might'' not need this additional instance? AFAIK only users with "Fullscreen - F11" enabled would hide the existing locations where it is already displayed, whilst scrolled.
** See image at [[:File:Page_title_repetition_and_cutoff.png]]
Hope that helps! –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 20:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback regarding the new language switcher ==

Hello, I am a French person using Wikipedia in both French and English. I usually decide the language of the article depending on the topic. If it's related to France, I know the French version is going to be better. If it's a general topic, I usually select English.

However, it's been a few months that the language picker has been moved to the top of the screen when an article is display in French. And I really can't get used to it. Sure, it's easy to discover - but it's more complicated to use. Having to click twice is a regression for anyone switching language frequently. An action that used to require half a second now takes 2 seconds. If you do this about ten times every time you browse Wikipedia, it does become irritating...

I hope this feature is not shipped to other languages, and France gets the sidebar back. If you want to make this feature more discoverable, maybe you could add a shortcut but keep the sidebar. Or display a tooltip once in a while to educate newcomers. But please, keep "heavy users" of language switching in consideration. Thanks {{unsigned|77.148.113.166|19:54, 25 January 2022}}
: I'd state this as 'what used to take me a second (finding the right language) now takes 10': Open language switcher, often don't see the language I want, have to search? want to see which languages have a version, have to scroll; don't have a quick way to default present all languages by-alpha. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 16:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
: I have to agree with this as another French person frequently switching languages on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. I should add, in addition to the intrinsic usability of the interface (I do agree it's a slight regression for my usage), the fact that most language editions still use the old interface (and most other sites using mediawiki, and the latter is likely to remain the case for a long time) means you don't actually get the opportunity to unlearn it. So every time I want to switch languages from a French page, I will first scroll down to the old location and waste 1s parsing the sidebar and wondering where the links are. I check out other languages almost every time I read any article and those milliseconds of irritation do add up. Anyway, I strongly think that “don't fix what ain't broke” should apply here! [[Special:Contributions/37.183.2.114|37.183.2.114]] 12:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

: +1 to [[User:Sj|Sj]]. --[[User:ThurnerRupert|ThurnerRupert]] ([[User talk:ThurnerRupert|talk]]) 18:58, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Often I use the language switcher not to navigate to the article on different language, but just to look up how that article is titled in a different language. In other words, using Wikipedia's inter-language links as a sort of dictionary. By hovering over the list of languages I can gather multiple titles, see their similarity between languages. With the New Look, language switcher became less accessible, though gathering titles by hovering still works there.
Also this new dropdown-based language switcher seems either to require tricky CSS features or JavaScript. Will it make problems for simplistic browsers like w3m? [[User:Vi2|_Vi]] ([[User talk:Vi2|talk]]) 17:48, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I find the language switcher the worst of both worlds of the two variants in the old interface. It can be annoying to scroll through 200+ languages in an idiosyncratic ordering (for example, كوردی [Kurdi in Perso-Arabic script] is filed under S for Sorani), but at least I can see them all and preview the name of the article in various target languages. With the drop-down menu in the old interface, I get the languages grouped geographically, and I can also search for a specific language, with the system recognizing many name variations. The new interface gives me a drop down menu with all 200+ languages in the same idiosyncratic order, with no geographic grouping and no ability to search for a specific language. [[User:LincMad|LincMad]] ([[User talk:LincMad|talk]]) 22:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on ToC functionality ==

Hello,

I’m not sure how far you are in the development of the new table of content functionality, but I was looking at [https://en-toc.wmcloud.org/wiki/Moon this prototype] and noticed a potential problem. Here the ToC is on the side and that’s a good thing, but the ToC in the text have also been deleted and that’s not much a good thing. When there is a big infobox, the in-text ToC compensate partly or totally for it, hence the page arrangement take it into consideration for the position of the images. Now if you delete it, all the text will go up, along with the images, but the images can’t always follow, because the infobox, so the right-aligned images are going to pile under it, while the left-aligned will reduce the text to a very small column between them and the infobox. On fr:wp, infoboxes are very widely used, so deleting the in-text ToC is going to break the page layout of most articles (and rather probably upset the community). So I’d suggest that, whatever you do with the ToC, to not delete the in-text ToC until there is also a functionality to move the infobox outside the text too (that would be great by the way, as infoboxes always cause difficulties with page layout). --[[User:Runi Gerardsen|Runi Gerardsen]] ([[User talk:Runi Gerardsen|talk]]) 09:30, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:I would like to add myself as having this same concern about images. At present, image placement in many articles was determined by this factor of the TOC being inline, sometimes offsetting the issues of long infoboxes and allowing the first image in the first section to be right-justified (like anyone with any experience in professional publishing, I ''really'' hate left-justified lead images as they break up the flow of the text by interposing themselves between heds and text. Similarly, I try to maintain alternation in the justification of images since that mirrors the sweep of our vision and makes text with images easier to read (but of course you don't do this when it creates other layout issues).''When'' this is deployed, a lot of articles are going to suddenly have image placement issues at the top that didn't previously. And this will probably make a lot of people ''very angry''.I can see the need for the sticky TOC but I think it would still be better as something that could be toggled there from its current position while reading depending on how the user prefers it in an individual article. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 05:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
::What if we kept both the inline/in-text ToC ''and'' the sticky/sidebar ToC, but only display the latter when the user's scrolled past the former? A user preference could be added that forces the latter to always (or never) be displayed. I agree that the situation with images is a <abbr title="Pain In The Frigging Arse">PITFA</abbr>, but I really don't want to give up the sticky ToC either… [[User:OmenBreeze|OmenBreeze]] ([[User talk:OmenBreeze|talk]]) 00:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but until I manually switched back to "Vector legacy (2010)", then again to "Vector (2022)", ToC section was absent completely (neither new-style nor old-style). Also maybe, like with the language switcher, there should be [temporary] notice about ToC having moved to the left where it was previously? [[User:Vi2|_Vi]] ([[User talk:Vi2|talk]]) 17:57, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on new language switcher in French ==
As a translator, I litteraly jump from one language to another every hour of every day. It is simply unbearable to now have to go to a sub-menu to switch from French to English or Italian. That added click translates (pun intended) into lost time and nerves on a daily basis.

I'm not hostile to a more smartphone-friendly interface, and maybe that kind of switcher is perfect on a little screen. But it's not okay to make the overall experience so much unsteady (especially with the links being there for some languages and moved away for other ones) when

# switching seamlessly from one language to another is precisely the one advantage Wikipedia has over any other encyclopedia and
# my 32" monitor has plenty of space to display these links in the left column.

Last year I had selected the old Vector theme for this very reason and this morning, I was force-switched into the new Vector 2022 theme. So for the second time I'm back on the classic Vector theme and really, really hope it will stick.
[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]] ([[User talk:Herisson26|talk]]) 22:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]]. Thank you for asking here.
:* We've been planning to provide [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features#Language_switching_2:_One-click_access_to_preferred_languages|one-click access to preferred languages]] but it's dependent on the work of another team ([[Wikimedia Language engineering|Language]]). We can't promise anything in terms of the timeline yet.
:* What do you mean by "with the links being there for some languages and moved away for other ones"? You saw the new Vector on some wikis, and the old Vector on some other wikis, didn't you? I think that's related to the next issue.
:* Why you had to switch back again - [https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Caf%C3%A9_dos_programadores&diff=prev&oldid=62956756&diffmode=source here's my explanation]. We're sorry, this was an extremely rare oversight.
:* It's interesting that you write this interface is smartphone-friendly. Many volunteers note this. Out of curiosity, what makes you think that? Is this just about the responsiveness, or something more?
:[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 00:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]],
::* For a translator, direct access to "preferred" languages is not enough. I need the complete list of languages, as it exists on old Vector. My preferred languages would be French, English, Spanish and Italian, but I will regularly read directly a page in Japanese, Portuguese or any other if it's the one that will get me the information I'm looking for (which is quite often the case when dealing with foreign people). So limiting direct access to a select few languages will still break Wikipedia for me.
::* Yes, lots of wikis use old Vector while the French one uses the new ones. It completely breaks the user interface. It is of utmost importance to me that all Wikipedia pages have the same layout, whatever the language. I understand the need to test things, but when you make a public switch that impacts the ergonomics of the site, it should be made across all languages. Maybe make the change per-user instead of per-language if you don't want to switch everyone at once.
::* Nothing to do with responsiveness. Smartphones don't have the physical space to display the language list and the article content at the same time, so having a button on the top of the page to show/hide the language panel makes sense. It does NOT on computers, which have plenty of free space for the left column and the traditional language list.
::[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]] ([[User talk:Herisson26|talk]]) 08:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Very bad indeed. The French version of Wikipedia, which has put all interwiki language links in a dropdown menu, is most annoying. It is a big waste of time, and not user-friendly at all. To switch to the article in another language, instead of having the whole choice displayed at once and just having to click, one now has to go back up to the right-hand corner of the article, click on the dropdown menu, scroll down the list until the desired language apears, click again... This change is not an improvement. It tends to isolate each linguistic version of Wikipedia, by rendering the language switching much harder. If ever it is useful for smartphones, please change the layout for mobiles only ("m" version of Wikipedia), but not for the desktop version. This cumbersome change should NOT be extended to other Wikipedias, and the French version should revert as soon as possible to a user-friendly layout, such as that of the English language Wikipedia. [[User:Baronnet|Baronnet]] ([[User talk:Baronnet|talk]]) 15:49, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] very cool that you bring one click different language!! would you please include the language team in this discussion here, and provide a link so people can view the progress? --[[User:ThurnerRupert|ThurnerRupert]] ([[User talk:ThurnerRupert|talk]]) 18:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== TOC Feedback ==

I noticed that the newest designs for the table of contents do not allow for it to be collapsed. I think the ability for the TOC to be collapsed is very important, specifically for users that have a touchscreen laptop. I and a friend of mine often use our left hand and our touchscreen to scroll articles because on our laptops it is often easier to scroll quicker than to use the touchpad. If the TOC remained expanded we might accidentally tap a link. A button to collapse it and a preference to expand or collapse it by default would be nice. [[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 20:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]]. Indeed, the first version of the TOC was not possible to be collapsed. This was because the results of user testings (both in-person and on-wiki) didn't indicate that the functionality was important. Now, given the feedback we've collected, we've decided to consider options how to make the TOC collapsible. In this context, what do you think about our [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear newest prototype]? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 13:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] Thank you for responding!

:::Hi, @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], I came to this page to ask whether the ToC can be moved from the sidebar, and really like the prototype. However it seems to be malfunctioning in Safari 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13): https://imgur.com/a/O0Jhti1
:::Thanks. [[User:HughLilly| —Hugh]] ([[User talk:HughLilly|talk]]) 05:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

::My feedback:
::* I really dislike the usage of the bracket type of buttons for <code>[hide]</code> and think a OOUI button or a smaller alernative should be used instead.
::* I like that all of the headers in the TOC are collapsed by-default, however, I think they when you're scrolling inside of a section, they need to expand and collpase as you go through one section to another. I've seen this functionality on other platforms and it allows the reader to understand the outline better when they're viewing the article.
::* The hiding action of the TOC has an inconsistent navigational pattern. UIs should always require the same amount of actions to disable something as to enable something. That always feels the most natural. Hiding the TOC for its default position requires one button press, but to return it back to its previous state requires two. Also, its location next to the title and then how it switches to the upper left to become sticky is really weird too. I don't like either of those locations. I was thinking it could look something like this collapsed and you could press the icon on the right to both collapse and expand it:
::[[File:MediaWiki table of contents collapsed idea.png|frameless]]
::[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 00:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, i just cant find the table of contents, i need it for easier navigation. please, help

== Sticky header in the namespace Project ==

([[:fr:Discussion_utilisateur:Patafisik_(WMF)#En-tête_figé_et_accès_aux_langues|original discussion in French]])

Hi,

a user suggests to add the sticky header in the namespace Project too, not only in [[Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements#Talk_page_and_page_history|Talk pages or History pages]] (see for exemple [[phab:T289641#7365946]] and [[phab:T299115]]). Best regards, [[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 09:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

== Left margin menu pushes down content ==
I normally use Monobook, but happened to get into the new Vector. Odd experience. The search box was absent and I had to scroll down for the content. I now see that you are supposed to click the magnifying glass to get the search box. OK. But the scrolling?

It seems the new Vector tries to guarantee wide enough space for the content. Perhaps that's what people surfing with maximised windows expect, but if you have a narrower window, is that really optimal? To get the left margin menu to the left of the content, I need a window some 1000 px wide. This "minimum" width gives me lines of about 100 characters, while I've heard reading is easiest at 47–72 or something like that. I like to have several windows open in parallel, and a narrower windows makes them fit better.

Anyway, if one's browser window is narrow, for whatever reason, does the empty space to the right of the margin menu really give the best possible experience? Is the 100 char width something that needs to be guaranteed for those planning layout of individual articles? (This experience is with Firefox 91.7.0esr on Debian.)

–[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 20:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

== Questions I shouldn't need to ask ==

I can tell WMF developers put a lot of work into this, but I'm sorry, this isn't cutting it. This latest prototype is Vector in name only. It's a completely different look and a completely different experience.
* Why do I have to click twice to get to my talk/contribs/preferences?
* Don't you think you could have fit those important links if you didn't go overboard on the whitespace or if the search bar wasn't so enormous?
* Is the language switcher really so important that it belongs in the sticky menu?
* I had to think for a few seconds about what the hamburger/star icon was (it's the Watchlist). Why are the icons necessary? I'll answer this one — too much whitespace at the top.
* Why is the new interface such a step down for the editors who will have to use it every day?
* ''And why are you still trying to put a hamburger menu on a desktop site?''

It's not all bad — I do think the max width improves readability. But that was already present on previous less-bad prototypes.

We were promised "improvements" to Vector, and what we're getting is an entirely new (and entirely inferior) skin. If this is really going to still be called Vector, that is highly misleading. The early comments that "total replacement is not an option" don't make a lot of sense now that Wikipedia appears to be getting exactly the top-down redesign I had feared this project would produce. Pigs will fly before this gets deployed to English Wikipedia ''without'' the community getting their pitchforks. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 04:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

: I went into Preferences to turn off the changes and I saw that the software is now treating "vector-2022" as a new skin. This is better than what I thought was going on but maybe there should be a more original name>
: Also, wouldn't it be a much better use of developer time to, say, work on the many unresolved Community Wishlist items? —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 17:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Pythoncoder|Pythoncoder]], thanks for these comments. I'd just like you to know that I'm working on an answer for you and I'll paste it soon. You've asked many important and basic questions (like the one about the Community Wishlist Survey), and I'm truly happy that you've done that. It's much better to clarify the basics. You don't know whether these are clear as long as no one questions it. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 00:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::: {{ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} I should have made it more clear above, but most of my comments are regarding the Fourth Prototype. And now that I read through my earlier comments it makes sense to make the sidebar collapsible in case readers don't want distractions. I believe the sidebar is shown by default so please disregard my complaints in that area. This is why I shouldn't edit when I'm sleep-deprived. I do still think the new skin needs a new name though. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::: Also re: wishlist, I suspect the two projects are probably worked on by completely different dev teams. Again, I'm sorry for the passive-aggressiveness above. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Hello @[[User:Pythoncoder|Pythoncoder]], no worries, I'm really glad you've figured some issues out yourself! Would it be possible for you to state what remains unclear? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::I think it mostly boils down to the amount of whitespace at the top and the hiding of important links such as talk, contribs, and login under a dropdown. I think this should be fixed. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

== Sticky header doesn't show the name or the logo of the project: the risk of loss of identity for Wikimedia sister projects ==
([[wikt:fr:Wiktionnaire:Wikidémie/mars_2022#Interface_bureau_%3A_venez_tester_le_quatrième_prototype|From French Wiktionary]])

{{Tracked|T293395}}

"I'm still observing the same problem when using this new skin: if you scroll down the page, it's impossible to know on which Wikimedia project you're on. The sticky header doesn't include the name of the site you are on, which is penalizing users for sharing screenshots, but also for identifying the editorial lines/ editorial policies of the different projects. Sister projects have important specificities. On the French Wiktionary, we already have people complaining that they can't find the content they expect to see on Wikipedia, and we have to tell them that it doesn't belong on the Wiktionary. I'm afraid that the phenomenon will only get worse."-Translated by --[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 13:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

(original message: ''"J’observe toujours le même problème, que je constate au quotidien en utilisant ce nouvel habillage : on ne sait pas sur quel projet on est dès que l’on défile un peu. L’en-tête fixe n’intègre pas le nom du site sur lequel on se trouve, ce qui est pénalisant pour le partage de capture d’écran, mais aussi pour l’identification des lignes éditoriales des différents projets qui ont des spécificités importantes. On a déjà actuellement des gens qui se plaignent de ne pas trouver tel contenu qu’ils s’attendent à voir sur Wikipédia, et à qui on doit répondre que ça n’a pas sa place sur le Wiktionnaire. Je crains que le phénomène ne fasse qu’empirer. [[user:Noé|Noé]] 29 mars 2022 à 12:37 (UTC)"'')

== The "sticky table of contents" is the worst among all the bad changes ==

I am sorry, but this sticky table of contents is such an eyesore, its sole addition might make me quit reading Wikipedia altogether. I'm not exaggerating, a similar update to Liquipedia made me want to avoid that project. It's more than an annoying waste of screen space - it also makes the different parts of the table of contents bold depending on where in the article my screen is, and thus it triggers my OCD, and it simply irritates me. I hate these moving parts in forced mobile designs.

> "The results of our 3rd prototype testing showed an overwhelming support for the proposed table of contents."

Have they? I don't see any discussion here.

> "The new table of contents will be persistent - users will have access to it at all times. It will also make it easier to understand the context of the page."

Are the TikTok memes reality? Excuse me, but I don't randomly forget what page or section I'm reading, thus I don't need a sticky title on my screen at all times.

> "In addition to that, it will be possible to navigate to different parts of the page without having to scroll all the way back to the top."

How is that "need" in any way difficult? It's one button on the keyboard - called ''Home''. Or you hold the slider on the right and jerk it up in a millisecond. But I suspect I know where "scrolling" is an issue - on mobile phones. This entire update in an exercise in transitioning a fine desktop UI from the 2000s which I had an honour to fall in love with in the 2010s to the non-constructive, downgraded, annoying and irritating experience of mobile phones.

Thankfully, not all projects choose to go this way. For an example of a new encyclopaedia with a traditional design, see the immensely popular Korean Namu Wiki. [[User:Adûnâi|Adûnâi]] ([[User talk:Adûnâi|talk]]) 12:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

:100% agree. [[User:Football Lab|Football Lab]] ([[User talk:Football Lab|talk]]) 09:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== some feeback on the layout ==

I really like the preview, it is much cleaner, a few thoughts from viewing this on desktop (I saw the Blue whale article and the Potato article):

# The 'in other projects' section is really nice, however I wonder what would be a sensible heirachy for this. Should it be contextual based on the topic or something else? Currently its suggesting me WikiNews which isn't relevant or a particularly well maintained Wikimedia Project. Also the other projects is more about navigating to other information on that topic, rather than being a tool, I wonder if it should be under the TOC instead? Its more about navigating information on the topic rather than using a tool.
# I'm not sure if this is intended, the images sit on top of the sections instead of being displayed along the side the text, especially for portrait format images this creates a lot of empty space.
# When logged out having the TOC on the left is really nice, works really well. But when I'm logged in the TOC is hidden under half of the tools but then the other half is on the right hand side is quite confusing. I realise this is a really difficult thing to organise, maybe it could live under the TOC? There isn't a clear deliniation between reading and contributing which is confusing.
# The taxonomy templates at the bottom are pretty broken and make long lists, also lists within the Potato article lose their formatting meaning on the page for potato the list of synonyms is one column wide making a very long section which isn't going to useful for a general reader right in the middle of the article. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 18:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

== I hate the new TOC ==

I was directed here from [[phab:T273473]]. That left-of-the-article TOC is a horrible nightmare. I absolutely hate it. I would seriously avoid any website that forced it upon me. Can't scroll it out of sight, can't collapse it, can't disable it, takes up too much space, I hate it I hate it I hate it. This was the reason I switched back to Vector classic on beta cluster. (and if Vector classic gets it too I'll switch to Monobook, Timeless or just murder it with a userscript) I'm not much of a fan of Vector 2022 (but it's not a lost cause, just needs work), but this TOC pushed me over the edge. As a personal note: I rarely use the existing TOC. But I can scroll it out of sight so it doesn't bother me. If the TOC went completely missing tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it. Having this big, (to me) useless thing that contrasts with the main content (it's much darker) permanently in my field of vision greatly annoys me. And because of the fixed position, my banner blindness fails to kick in. This results in pure hatred for something that, on the face it, could seem innocuous. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 16:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:I was not "directed" anywhere, I blundered onto here after finally finding information about this new skin. And let me be clear, APART from the ridiculous handling of the TOC, the new skin is great, precisely BECAUSE, before the TOC-debacle, this skin allowed me to get more of the article on the screen, and allowed me to hide the standard list of menu choices that I only need 0.something % of the time.

:So, please, Please, PLEASE make that TOC hideable! It's perhaps (!) a great default for newbies, but it's a bloody nuisance for us who usually never use the TOC, and if we do, we know where to find it! [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 21:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
::I totally agree. [[Special:Contributions/185.53.157.151|185.53.157.151]] 08:13, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], right, it's not that easy to get here. We'll put link to the project page on the list of available skins in preferences. The task is documented as [[phab:T307113|T307113]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:Hey @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] - thanks for talking to us. It’s good to hear you were using Vector 2022. I hope that you will switch back to it. In terms of the table of contents, you raise good points. A lot has been happening since you wrote your comment, so my answer is longer than it would have been last week.
:* The first version of the design was based on the feedback we got on our previous prototypes from readers and editors (see [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Repository/Sticky Header and Table of Contents User Testing#toc-intro|in-person reader & editor testing]] and [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Third prototype testing|on-wiki community testing]]).
:* That said, we have not yet made the design final. We are working on different ideas for the visual design of the entire site. We'll make the main content of the page be the primary focus of attention, even when other navigational elements (such as the ToC) are present. If you’re interested in following along with that work, most of it will be tracked on [[phab:T301780|T301780]] and in subtasks of that ticket.
:* We are also considering the way the ToC will display at smaller resolutions ([[phab:T306904|T306904]], [[phab:T306660|T306660]]) and looking into some options for collapsing it that could work for wider screens as well.
:* As you can see, people like you who have chosen Vector 2022 individually share a lot of feedback with us now. [[phab:T307004|T307004]], [[phab:T306562|T306562]] are some examples on things we are or will be working on.
:* In the meantime, we will be A/B testing the ToC on the pilot wikis. Our hypothesis is that the ToC will decrease the amount that people have to scroll to the top of the page to switch to a different section. The design might also vary once we have the results of the test.
:* Since these changes might take a little while to reach the beta cluster, we would also encourage technically-skilled folks to set up a script or gadget to make a temporary solution.
:And... yeah, [[Newsletter:Desktop Improvements updates|subscribe to our newsletter]], join our office hours ([[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Updates/Talk to Web|tomorrow]] or [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Participate|later]]) and talk to us more. Thank you! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]], here's another thought: [[wikt:reverse]]. It's not a long page, but that TOC is so bloody huge a full HD display isn't enough to read ''any'' of the actual page content without scrolling. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 01:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Right, right. Let's just take a look at [[:pl:Gramatyka języka fińskiego]]. I mean, this is an edge case, and as such, it's not that critical. From what I know, all TOC sections aren't uncollapsed by default, and you need to make an effort to see the full TOC. Is this your experience, too, @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]]? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::::[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]], sorry for being possibly unclear. It was just a thought about the classic inline TOC which is disproportionally huge on Wiktionary, so it's something to think about when designing a new TOC. On the Gramatyka page on plwiki you at least get the intro without scrolling and the page actually ''is'' very long, so it's understandable the TOC also gets big. I've taken a look at the CSS (should have done that sooner) and simply disabling "position:sticky" stops the new TOC from being so infuriating. IMHO that should be the default, or at the very least, proper research should be done into this. Not only to determine by majority vote what users prefer (I wouldn't be surprised if sticky wins a binary majority vote) but also how crazy either option can drive users who ''don't'' like it. Pleasing a majority is no good if it causes a minority to be greatly aggravated. While I personally can get around it using technical means, that isn't true for most people. I'll also note that the experience on devices that are primarily controlled with a touchscreen may very well be different. With a keyboard, scrolling back up to the TOC is nearly no effort. Just press "home" or hold "page up". With a touchscreen, not so much, so I can see why sticky might have a greater appeal there. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 07:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::What TOC? I don't get any such thing. [[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]] ([[User talk:Betaneptune|talk]]) 17:36, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
:100% agree. [[User:Football Lab|Football Lab]] ([[User talk:Football Lab|talk]]) 09:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== Watchlist icon ==

[[User:Schierbecker|Schierbecker]] [[Topic:Wu23w3nlomndp5f1|wrote]]:
<blockquote>The watchlist icon too closely resembles a hamburger menu button. I can see many clicking the button thinking it is a dropdown menu. Some may lose unsaved edits after clicking it.</blockquote>

I completely agree, but not really because it resembles a hamburger button but because it's sandwiched (no pun intended!) between dynamic menus. If there was the dropdown arrow next to the interlangs, alerts and notices buttons just like the personal menu, it would communicate more clearly that the watchlist button is a simple link and not a menu. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 02:38, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks for this comment, @[[User:Nardog|Nardog]]. We'll think how we could improve this. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:55, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

== Sidepanel is bloated ==

Tonight size of left panel is increased too much. It covers more than ¼ screen now.
https://imgur.com/3YJlcii
Can I reduce size of panel, as it was before? [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 21:18, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
: Agreed. I feel there's too much white space padding the left and right of the sidebar. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 00:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] @[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] thank you for these reports. It seems like you may have your browser window zoomed in, is that correct? Also, if you are able to please add any additional thoughts, needs, screenshots, and ideas to this task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306660. [[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AHollender (WMF)|talk]]) 14:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::No, my browser not using zoom. I using personal css with font-size 14pt, but when I login to other account without personal css, the sidepanel still terrible huge.
::https://imgur.com/l8bIrDF [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 15:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]]: Apologies, I should have clarified. The sidebar here is fine; the one at Wikipedia isn't. Resetting the zoom level on Wikipedia doesn't address the issue; there's still a lot of white space padding the element. I'll leave this discussion and focus on [[#I oppose the new sidebar/TOC]] and the mentioned Phabricator ticket, which describes my issue more accurately. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 15:10, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

::: The ambiguity and confusion evident from the preceding discussion suggests that the interface has become to complex. Aren't the original sidebar and TOC at the top of the page enough? Why change? Is another popup menu necessary to switch language? What about setting language in user preferences? Simplify, simplify, simplify. Regards, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|talk]]) 00:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC limit doesn't work anymore ==

It seems that this "sidebar TOC" has different classes, making [[:en:Template:TOC limit]] doesn't work anymore. [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 07:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Templates can only control the content of an article so [[en:Template:TOC_limit/styles.css]] won't apply outside the article area so new classes won't help here. A magic word would need to be added so support this use case if important and time allows. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 15:37, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

== I oppose the new sidebar/TOC ==

Please make it possible for the users to collapse the left sidebar/TOC or to reduce the white space size. I for one use a browser sidebar (Sidebery) as well as 150% or even bigger text size. Combined with the forced sidebar/TOC, the actual line length becomes much smaller than the recommended length. [[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] ([[User talk:PeterTrompeter|talk]]) 08:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] - thanks for your feedback. We're currently exploring better solutions for the ToC at narrow widths, which include the option of collapsing as well. Check out [[phab:T306660]] for the details and prototypes. It would be great to get your opinion on some of these. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:40, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

::I wonder about one thing: Who on earth thought that having such a monstrosity as that [pejorative snipped] TOC as a PERMANENT part of the skin would be a good idea ? I mean, having it pop up might be a useful thing for newbies (and I find even that a stretch of my imagination), but PERMANENTLY wasting space on a table of contents you consult perhaps once or twice per (long) article ? So KINDLY have it fixed to be hideable/collapsible so that we can get actual article contents on our screens. (One sidenote here: Apart from my blowout here - yes, I am aware that working on these projects is a chore, and despite my invectives here, I AM grateful for your efforts. It's just that this kind of stuff goes so completely against what would be the natural idea here, that I blow my top unnecessarily hard - people generally want to read the TEXT of the articles, so when a new skin development deliberately wastes space on the table of contents - ????? ) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 16:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Hey @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], we test all of the proposed changes. Editors and readers were strongly in support of this change. More details here: [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Table of contents]]. Cheers, [[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AHollender (WMF)|talk]]) 17:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::::My question stands: Why having it there PERMANENTLY ??? Ok, I find something that's relevant for me to read; usually, I then want to READ just that; not the thread that led me there... So, why PERMANENTLY ??? [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 17:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

== Public and private views... ==

While thinking about this, I was struck with what appears to me to be a central point of division here: This is not a question of how THE user interface should look like; but, rather, it is a question of what we should look like to anonymous users, and what choices should be available to those of us who log in ? Does that differentiation make sense ? (I should mention that I'm coming to this from Wikipedia, and that I have very little experience with the other projects.) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 19:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Yeah @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], this makes sense. With the caveat that I don't know what central point of division you are referring to :D
:At the moment, except for gadgets and such little tweaks, we aren't able to offer different interfaces for logged-out and logged-in users. Also, we can't make it possible to easily switch between different settings like dark/light mode, contrast versions, font sizes, etc. We need to improve the basics of the viewing/reading experience, we can do ''that'', so we're doing it.
:As a result, readers use our interface more comfortably, we check that with regular A/B tests. As for the most dedicated editors, they can/should:
:# Help us build an interface useful to them (by giving feedback on the prototypes, on the changing interface on "pilot wikis", by adjusting gadgets, etc.)
:# Accept the arguments about the results of user testing, A/B testing, community feedback...
:# Accept the "final" version as the basic version, and
:# Configure it further if they want.
:Our team would like to work the interface deeper. We would like to make it more modular and adjustable. (Of course, content would stay objectively the same for all.) A few months ago, we started working with more closely [[Growth]] and [[Editing]]. Now we're checking how ambitious we can be.
:Does that answer your question? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:26, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
::My way of thinking here, is that the main divider here is between what should be visible and available to those who are NOT logged in, and what should be available and possible for those who DO log in. This is because the big difference between the two groups, is that those who are logged in, are also able to seek detailed information and make informed choices (and possibly programmed adaptations), whereas the non-logged in can not be trusted to have any particular information about the system, do not have a way of communicating preferences, and therefore needs to be given visual cues as to what's possible and available, precisely because they are strangers here... (Sidenote: I am of the Wikipedia, and that is the project I write in relation to; each project will have some peculiarities that do not apply to the other (to the same degree, at least); for this reason I should remember to mention this.)
::
::I hope what I'm writing here makes some sense, I try to avoid giving specific "orders" to anyone, but rather contribute to clarifying the context so that I understand it; hopefully, what I then write makes sense to others as well... (About here my subconscious can be heard muttering "and if pigs could fly"...) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 13:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== "Beginning" is confusing ==

More feedback: when I was at [[w:Gotcha journalism]] just now, I became confused because there appeared to be a section titled "beginning", which I assumed covered the early history of the term. It took me a minute to figure out that that wasn't referring to a section but rather a way to scroll to the top of the page. Many other articles are going to have a similar problem, since we often begin with history sections that might reasonably be titled "Beginning" for early history. {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 22:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Sdkb|Sdkb]] - good catch! This is something we discussed quite a bit internally in order to finally settle on beginning, although I agree that it's still imperfect. Previously we were using "introduction". The issue there was that many articles have "introduction" as the name of their first section, causing duplication. Other options we were considering were location-based (back to top, beginning of page, etc). We are welcome to ideas on how to make this clearer. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 09:05, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::The name used by wikipedians? ''Lead section'' in English, ''résumé introductif'' in French, etc ([[d:Q10966628|Q10966628]]) [[User:Pyb|Pyb]] ([[User talk:Pyb|talk]]) 11:07, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:::On Translatewiki.net I found "Début" for fr.wiki and "Inizio" for it.wiki (on it.wiki we use also "Incipit" or "Introduzione", see [[phab:T306990]]). [[User:Patafisik|Patafisik]] ([[User talk:Patafisik|talk]]) 15:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::::@[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]], did you consider different design approaches in addition to different names? If the word had been accompanied by something like [[File:Font Awesome 5 solid caret-up.svg|16px]], it might have been a lot clearer. I also think there's some benefit to matching the terminology we already use as editors ("lead section" or "introduction"), since that makes it easier for newcomers. The Wikipedia articles that currently have "Introduction" as their first named section should not—they should be tagged with [[w:Template:Overview section]]. {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 20:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::I think using the article title would make the most sense, as the title is the uppermost heading in the article. That way the header that the reader arrives at always matches the one they've clicked on. (I'm sure "Beginning" is better than "Introduction," but it's not unheard of as a section title either: e.g. [[w:Creolization|Creolization]], [[w:Ashikaga shogunate|Ashikaga shogunate]], [[w:History of Carthage|History of Carthage]]. Is there any way to determine how often it's used?) [[User:Arms & Hearts|Arms & Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms & Hearts|talk]]) 19:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I think "Top" would be less confusing and generally make more sense as that seems to be the common English term for the top of the page. [[Special:Contributions/132.170.199.112|132.170.199.112]] 19:32, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of contents below sidebar just doesn't work ==

On a broader note than the two pieces of feedback above, I have to say that my experience so far with the new table of contents has been really frustrating. As an editor, I use lots of the links in the left sidebar quite frequently, so I don't want to collapse it (and even if I did, the way it persists in whatever state you leave it in means that every time I used it it'd return). But preserving the left sidebar forces the table of contents below it, which is just awful. The number one time I want to use the ToC is when I first navigate to an article, and I either want to jump to a specific section or just to see what sections it has to get an overview. Forcing me to scroll to get to that information is extremely annoying, and if it's kept in the final version, I predict the outcry will be intense. You could resolve this either by retaining the old style ToC alongside the new (which would also solve the [[w:MOS:SANDWICH|sandwiching]] concerns I've previously raised) or by moving the ToC above the left sidebar. From your previews, I know you've been working on moving some stuff around and introducing pinning, so I hope this will be resolved in future iterations. But the initial version being introduced here is clearly not ready yet. Best, {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 22:53, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
: For me it seems the table of contents and the sidebar seems to be two different things. On Wikipedia, I collapsed the sidebar and the table of contents still remain. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 03:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::I want ToC collapsed too. But there is no way to do it. It uses almost 1/3 of my screen and makes reading very difficult.- [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 05:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Same here. 14" Screen, collapsed sidebar menu, open only when needed. With the new TOC I cannot collapse the sidebar, it's just a toggle between navbar and TOC. I appreciate the effort and that it's a first attempt, but it definitely should be optional. And yes, I was involved in feedbacks and testing earlier. Regards [[User:Elya|Elya]] ([[User talk:Elya|talk]]) 14:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

:::: +1, the TOC should be accessible from the top of the page, and collapsible (vertically; also horiz if it is making the sidebar too wide - many pages have section heads that are quite long). [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 17:35, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

== About Google Docs and Zoom ==

{{Ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} Thank you for the invitation I received for tomorrow's videcall since I was an interface admin and a developer! but sadly I cannot participate since I don't use Google Docs or Zoom for security reasons (partially related: [https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-senate-german-government-tell-staff-not-to-use-zoom/] [https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.html]).

I don't know if it could be useful but maybe in the future you may consider to land the doc on the wiki itself, or using Etherpad [https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/] when realtime is needed.

To drop Zoom, maybe I can propose Jitsi Meeting [https://meet.jit.si/] that is gratis and libre and supports streaming on social network to support large audience. (Also [[Wikimedia Meet]] deserves a try and some feedback). [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 15:38, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]]. I understand your concerns and thank you for the language you use. I do appreciate that. As you may have realized, it isn't without a reason why we use these particular tools/platforms.
:# Google Docs are used by the Foundation as the default tool for making internal notes and docs. We might, for the purposes of the office hours, replace it with Etherpad. There's a problem with the translations, though. Asking translators to update just one word, and waiting until they've done that, could be troublesome. This is why I can only commit to replace this if we make more changes to the announcement. (By the way, the announcement is [[Template:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Office hours announcement|fully standardized]] and translated into 16 languages, some of which use declination or are not written in the Latin script.)
:# We need our office hours to be technically (platform-wise) predictable. Although Jitsi is open source and Zoom is not, the latter is more effective. It has been widely used for online meetings in the movement. It's been used by the WMF for office hours with the CEO, Maryana; it's been used by affiliates. There are hundreds of Wikimedians who at least once have participated in a Wikimedia meeting on Zoom. We know how to provide live translations there. Jitsi, on the other hand, is less popular, and we'd have to learn how to support live translations, including more trainings organized specifically for our meetings.
:# We may consider having office hours on IRC. Frankly, I have a feeling that since the migration from Freenode, IRC has been more and more marginalized, but we could give it a try.
:I'm curious what other Wikimedians watching this page think. Add your comments! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::Just asking for an understanding that Google Form and Zoom are a bug, not a feature, to participate in a Wikimedia project. A bug that deserves a long-term fix. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 15:57, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
::: I appreciate these are standard across parts of the Foundation. And agree w/ [[user:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio]] this is a bug, not a feature. Perhaps it's time to revisit this across the org. :) We should be using tools that can be constantly used and deployed by communities for events, workshops, office hours, talks without sending traffic through commercial servers.
::: ''Text'': Google makes some very wiki-spirited tools (they did absorb JotSpot back in 2006) so it's stayed around for a while. But we simply must stop using it as a crutch that keeps us from using and being delighted by notetaking on our own platform. Our collaborative platform for drafting and discussing documents. Our versioned, searchable platform.
::: ''Video'': I too have to use Zoom sometime, but I'm always surprised and a bit dismayed when a Wikimedia meeting uses it! Jitsi is stable, widely used + repackaged, easily modded and forked, and we host a [https://meet.wmcloud.org/ lovely instance] on the WM cloud. [We also regularly use BigBlueButton for larger audiences.] It makes it easy to name a persistent rooms, embed it it in other places or tools (see Jitsi-as-a-service + [[w:Brave Talk|Brave Talk]] these days), &c. We should be thinking about how to better use video streams in our projects, and using this framework as we do so. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 12:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], I will not participate in any forum that is not public. Why the wmf foundation wants to share information via Zoom, a for-profit corporation which provides no guarantee of privacy, is anyone's guess. We have been using wiki-code for discussion since 2001, why this change?
::I apologize if you find my message above irrespecutful, but this represents the views of many. [[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|talk]]) 18:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Instant jumping vs. animated scrolling for table of contents ==

As you're polishing up the table of contents, one thing it'd be nice to consider is the behavior when you click on a section in it. Currently, it instantly jumps to that section, but I think it'd be better if it instead did a very quick scroll (maybe a quarter of a second). This would help readers to more easily understand what's happening when they click the link, and to get a better intuitive sense of what the article contains by seeing it flash by. Would that be possible? {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 02:37, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

== Wide-column + Multi-column options for large screens ==

Readers vary in what form factor they prefer, especially for long-form high-volume reading. That's part of why this change and research into 'optimal layout' is controversial. I'm someone who finds it hard and slow to read a narrow column and have to scroll all the time, including when searching a page for a term. General feedback on width:

# Include a comfortable default for large screens. The (potentially large) gray margins on left and right, outside large white margins, bracketing a forced-maxwidth central column, do not feel good. Wide-col or multi-col could work.
# Offer an explicit wide-column pref that doesn't require people to change skins, even if that is less aggressively supported/tested across all platforms.
# A multi-column design for text within sections – mimicking the style of most long-form magazines and scholarly journals – would be interesting and can be surpassingly beautiful. That's what I'd like to see our wide-screen layouts transition to. We already do this within sections for references, lists, and galleries.

Even low-end desktop monitors these days are high enough resolution to support two-column layouts. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 18:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

== I think sticky elements ruin Vector ==

I liked vector a lot more when it didn't have the new distracting elements (sticky header and sticky TOC). ''I care about the contents of the page, not the interface'', nor about the need to scroll to the top of the page every now and then. [[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] ([[User talk:Tokujin|talk]]) 17:50, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]]. Congratulations for finding this page :D You can add <code>.vector-sticky-header {display:none;}</code> to your [[metawiki:Special:MyPage/global.css|global.css]]. For now, I'm not entirely sure what to advise about the TOC, though. When the collapsible version has been deployed, we'll know what code you should use to make it not sticky and keep some other version. I invite you to revisit this topic in 2-3 weeks.
:By the way, I very much liked the first sentence of [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=5009784 your comment to the third prototype]. Have you seen the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing|fourth one]]? I encourage you to follow the instructions and share your opinion about it, too. (BTW, compare it with [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear the newest version, also a prototype].) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:28, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::Hi Szymon :-) [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Fourth_prototype_testing/Feedback#Username%3ATokujin|Done]], thank you. Regarding the global.css setting, notice that with sticky table headers enabled (in Preferences > Gadgets > Testing and development) there's a bug whereby in tables such as those in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disenchantment_episodes#Part_4_(2022) this page] the table header leaves space for the absent page header. Other tables, such as that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-nine%20Novels here], don't have this issue. [[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] ([[User talk:Tokujin|talk]]). 07:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Skin differences between wikis ==

I'm using the 2022 Vector skin globally now (with [[:m:User:Tol/global.css|some modifications]] to remove whitespace), but I'm noticing that some wikis' sidebars are different from others. For example, MediaWiki wiki (this wiki) and French Wikipedia have a thinner white-background sidebar which sits on top of the page body (and ToC in the page body), while Meta-Wiki, Wikidata, and English Wikipedia have a wider grey-background box which is not layered on top of the page body (and ToC beneath said box). I can't figure out why this is. [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 00:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Tol|Tol]] - thanks for your question, and good catch! This is due to the table of contents still needing to being A/B tested on some wikis (frwiki and mediawiki wiki being two of these). The ToC functionality is not yet available there. That said, we've began some work on reducing the margins for the ToC as a whole ([[phab:T307004]]) that will make the differences in width fairly negligible. This change will be on all wikis next week. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]]: Ah; looks great! I look forward to that change rolling out. Thanks! [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 14:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Tool bars and tables ==

Hi, thanks for the update. A few observations:
# I would suggest that users have the option to keep the tool bar on the sidebar from the beginning, instead of having to click "tools" -> "[move to sidebar]" every single time.
# The readability of tables and graphs that are wider than the (quite tight) text column is an issue. In certain cases, the tables represent time series data (e.g. population in a country or municipality over time) that cannot just be tightened. Do you have a proposal to solve this issue? The NYT, which is a site that you explicitly mention as inspiration, lets tables and images occupy the whole width of the screen if necessary.
[[User:GeneraleAutunno|GeneraleAutunno]] ([[User talk:GeneraleAutunno|talk]]) 20:39, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

== Next steps for the Table of Contents ==
Hey all - thank you for all the feedback around the issues you were experiencing with the ToC, especially on narrow screens. We've taken a few steps to fix some of these issues:
* We're reducing the margins of the ToC to more closely resemble those of the prototype (tracked in [[phab:T307004]])
* We have a temporary solution for the ToC at narrow widths, which removes the ToC alltogether
* We are building functionality to allow for the ToC to be collapsible and expandable at narrow widths (tracked in [[phab:T306660]])
* We are planning on making the ToC collapsible at all screen sizes and widths (tracked in [[phab:T307901]])
* https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear links to a prototype that puts all of these changes together.
We would appreciate your feedback and thoughts on the decisions made within the prototype and whether they work for you. Thanks! [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:cc @[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]], @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]], @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], @[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]], @[[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]], @[[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] - in case you're interested. Apologies if I'm forgetting anyone else that was asking about this! [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:46, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva]], thank you, it's a solid improvement! Just one request: can the hiding/unhiding be made persistent so my choice remains in effect even if I navigate to another page? [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 12:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you, that's good news! (Adding a clarification: I'm responding to OVasileva, here.) My thinking is that making it collapsible is the only reasonable way to go; with the added point that for newcomers and anonymous readers it should perhaps be turned "on" as default; if the collapse button is clearly visible, the TOC will be useful to some, and easily removable for the rest, which should be the useful level of the intrusive/invisible conundrum... Thank you, once again. [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 13:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]]: Thanks for letting me know. Since this seems to be only in effect for the new Vector skin, maybe some work could be done to have the table of contents be shown in focus and have a button on the sticky header, as well as a keyboard shortcut for it? [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 14:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks for the work, I like the prototype a lot. I've missed the easily available overview that the ToC provides. Compare to the 2010 design, it is very useful to have the ToC available no matter how far down you scroll.
:On small screens, the "move to sidebar" link text is not accurate with regards to what happens visually when you click on it. [[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] ([[User talk:PeterTrompeter|talk]]) 16:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
:On narrow screens this is still quite jarring, and having no TOC is a loss, being able to move the TOC back in to the body (dynamically and programmatically) seems a better compromise. A problem I see is that even when there is no TOC on a page, all that space it could use is still being consume by blank space, that wasted horizontal space needs to be able to be reclaimed somehow. We've been testing some options that are aimed at more power desktop '''editors''' so they can use vector-2022, but still have access to most of their screen (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_%C3%9Cber_Alles?useskin=vector-2022&withgadget=wide-vector-2022 example] (will really only be strikingly noticable if you are on a wide screen)) but still are getting complaints about the huge space used by the TOC. [[User:Xaosflux|Xaosflux]] ([[User talk:Xaosflux|talk]]) 11:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== Banners and roadmap ==

Hi, I think you should consider to add banners in order to present the restyling to a much wider part of users. IMO they should link to discussion and presentation pages.
You should also consider to present to the wikis a clear roadmap with dates in order to present ahead of time big changes like the adoption of the new Vector.
This two changes would make you work clearer to the eyes of the users and would prevent some dissatisfactions. In particular I'd like to point out that [[:it:Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/La_nuova_interfaccia_desktop|what is happening on itwiki]] is being perceived as an imposition against the general consensus and I agree with the Italian users that are saying that forcing the adoption of the new skin is not the right way to act. These two are some ideas to widen the discussion, forcing something against the will of most will just radicalize the opposing positions even more. -- [[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 11:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:I just received the good piece of news that the adoption of the new skin has been delayed for itwiki and I thank you for this. But I still think that the two ideas that I presented above would be good tools to prevent something similar to happen again. ----[[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks @[[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]]. These are great suggestions.
:* Banners - [[phab:T304839|T304839]] - we've been working this for some time. Soon, the banner should be visible to some logged-in Vector users. They will be encouraged to switch to the new skin, and some time later, they'll see another banner with a link to this talk page.
:* Links to the project page - [[phab:T307113|T307113]] - our idea was similar. We'll add a link to the list of skins in preferences.
:* Roadmap - that's also a very good point. We'll consider how to present this to the community most effectively.
:* Itwiki - we'll continue this topic on itwiki, alright?
:[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for you consideration! :) And speaking of itwiki of course we will continue the topic right there. -- [[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 16:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sticky header 'dead zone' in articles with long lead sections ==
{{tracked|T307345}}
Steps to reproduce:

# Visit an article with at least a moderately long lead section (e.g., [[en:Charles de Gaulle]]).
# Scroll down a little way.
# Observe that the sticky header appears.
# Scroll down a little further, so that the first heading appears, but not much further than that.
# Observe that the sticky header vanishes.
# Scroll down even further.
# Observe that the sticky header re-appears.

This does not seem like intended behaviour. I am testing on Firefox 100. [[User:FrankSpheres|FrankSpheres]] ([[User talk:FrankSpheres|talk]]) 04:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:FrankSpheres|FrankSpheres]] - thank you for your report! We already have a fix for this bug, tracked in [[phab:T307345|T307345]]. It will be available early next week. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 08:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on new look ==
I like that stuff that is generally rarely used is hidden, such as the language picker.

I am not a fan of moving the table of contents off the main article body section. I didn't even register that the table of contents was there and I frequently use the TOC to get an overview of interesting sections of articles. With the TOC being isolated at the side bar, it seems separated from the article itself, while it should be a central part. Maybe it would work better if it appeared on the right of the article, where there is currently just whitespace?

Speaking of whitespace: I dislike the move to a max-width on article pages. This feature should at the very least be toggle-able with a button (without a need to log in). I feel like it makes the article feel more cramped, with less space for images and figures. There is already a very good solution to setting the effective width in the old view: Simply resize your window or zoom in on your browser. With the new look, I am forced to a max-width and I don't have a solution to control the width like I did before.

Whitespace and the TOC did something beautiful together in the old look actually. The TOC conveniently visually separated the article lead section from the rest of the article by introducing white space, which I personally found very pleasing. The new look has the lead section blend in with the rest of the article. This makes the lead appear more daunting, while its purpose is to serve as a quicker summary. Perhaps the lead section should be followed by a larger piece of whitespace than is normally found above headings, so as to separate the lead from the rest as before?

Finally I am quite sad to see that the Wikipedia globe logo is diminished - I really like the globe with the symbols and it doesn't look very good at low resolutions. I think the size of the globe was perfectly fine before. Besides, it seems there's plenty of space for it to have the same size as before so I'm kind of puzzled why this change was made in the first place.

I will also say that the arrow next to the Wikipedia globe (the one to minimize the side bar) leads to an unfortunate usability flaw. I initially thought the arrow was supposed to take me back to the front page (it is right next to the logo and the leftward direction suggests a "back" action). But that is not what it does at all. So the arrow is kind of confusing at first. --[[User:SorteKanin|SorteKanin]] ([[User talk:SorteKanin|talk]]) 16:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

== When testing the new skin, offer a one-click way to change back ==
The banners inviting users to test the new skin offer a one-click option that updates your skin to new Vector. The banner is then replaced with a message saying "give us feedback!", but it should also offer a one-click way to revert the change. Users may not be familiar with how to undo the change. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 12:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

:The one-click option to revert is the final item of the sidebar's top section, in bold. Are you suggesting a second method should be included, or that the link should be made more obvious and flashy by moving to the banner?
:The sidebar link seems fine to me. Particularly because this is less about the theme and more ergonomics for migration. [[User:Kees Person|Kees Person]] ([[User talk:Kees Person|talk]]) 15:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

:: I found it eventually, thanks. Yes, putting it in the banner, or putting a js link in the banner that highlighted the sidebar link, would be clearer :) [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 19:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Too little space ==

It's probably fine for those who don't use wide-screen monitors, but as someone who does it is quite annoying having everything mushed together like on mobile. I have read the page on this, but I think there should be a way to keep the functionality of the skin but lengthen the screen. [[User:Lallint|Lallint]] ([[User talk:Lallint|talk]]) 13:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
: I concur. I tried the new skin a couple of times and just could not do it. I have bought a standalone monitor for a reason - and it's not that large anyway (1920 x 1200) - yet the new skin wastes a third of my screen space. [[User:Kashmiri|Kashmiri]] ([[User talk:Kashmiri|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::Actually I use a 13" laptop and I initially thought that my computer switched to mobile version by mistake, but I later realized that was the desktop layout. I think the way everything is squeezed-in together takes away from the experience; there is nothing wrong with the header and tools bar they look fine to me, yet the sizing seems off for desktop users. [[User:Humanized|Humanized]] ([[User talk:Humanized|talk]]) 10:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sidebar too long ==

Sidebar too long and page too small on Wikimedia wikis [[User:LisafBia6531|LisafBia6531]] ([[User talk:LisafBia6531|talk]]) 16:24, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== Do not use a sticky header. ==

I think the new layout makes much better use of whitespace on 16:9 displays, making paragraphs easier to read. However, vertical space is someone no website that serves text-rich pages to users can ever get enough of. I believe that every (non-redundant, e.g. the article name is displayed twice on most browsers in the window tab title and the sticky header) element currently placed on the sticky header would not just fit on the sticky sidebar, but by removing the sticky header the layout will better serve what readers come to a wiki to do.

As a side note though, I am awfully sentimental about the old Wikipedia header logo and type layout, that giant globe and the accompanying text beneath it is far too iconic to change in my opinion, even for a redesign. [[User:Saedes|Saedes]] ([[User talk:Saedes|talk]]) 14:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sidebar considerations for vertical monitors/half-width windows ==

I haven't tested this out thoroughly yet, but I'm going to be adding this section to start a discussion on how the new layout uses responsive design when display device/window aspect ratios are greater in height than width. [[User:Saedes|Saedes]] ([[User talk:Saedes|talk]]) 14:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== The table of contents is in the wrong place ==

It's nice to have a table of contents right there on the side so you can move back and forth between sections but i don't like the fact that you have to scroll down a bit to find it. If there's a way to keep it at the top of the page so you see it right as the page loads then as the user scrolls down it changes into a sticky header, that would be better. [[User:Abhaypradjha|Abhaypradjha]] ([[User talk:Abhaypradjha|talk]]) 10:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

== Search bar UX is inefficient (Fitts's law) ==

I want to search.
# If I am at the top of the article, I click mindlessly anywhere on the header and type straight away.
# If I am down the article, I have to pinpoint an icon.

This is bad because
* The inconsistency turns my muscle memory against me
* It goes against [[w:en:Fitts's_law#Implications_for_UI_design|Fitts's law]]: pinpointing an icon requires precision and is slower than clicking a large bar at the border of the screen without giving much thought into it.

A solution would be that clicking on the article title or empty space in the sticky header hides the article title and displays the search bar (empty and focused).

My case is that I often read the documents with the help of Wiktionary, so I use the search bar heavily and my usage pattern is fundamentally different than on Wikipedia. On Wiktionary, the interesting information is on one line or two, for each one of many unrelated entries, so searching is almost exclusively my means of navigation. [[User:Wanlpz|Wanlpz]] ([[User talk:Wanlpz|talk]]) 19:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC: the position of the content ==
Hi, I like your [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear last prototype of TOC], in particular the blu color which helps to find a menu when you collapse it.

I notice something I consider a bug: when the TOC is collapsed, if the tools menu is collapsed too the content is in the correct position, but if you move to the sidebar the tools, the content changes his position (it shifts on the left side). It feels strange. It doesn't happens when the TOC is on the sidebar, and you open/collapse the Tools menu.--[[Special:Contributions/151.42.0.114|151.42.0.114]] 13:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

==Sidebar==
The sidebar has extended a bit (and by that, I mean a LOT) too far, which makes things very uncomfortable for me. I'm fine with the skin other than that, but the overintrusive sidebar is just awful. Plus, there are these white extensions to it that shouldn't be there. I hope you understand what I'm talking about, and at least take notes on it! [[User:ARandomPage|ARandomPage]] ([[User talk:ARandomPage|talk]]) 11:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Зробіть для кожного коментатора окремий відділ ==

'''Привіт я досі не можу зрозуміти чому кожен коментатор не може писати окремо це набагато зручніше...'''

'''Новий дизайн набагато простіший в візуальному плані але до нього треба звикати)))'''

'''Також я побачив що новий дизайн не працює в деяких мовах''' [[User:Ilolg|Ilolg]] ([[User talk:Ilolg|talk]]) 14:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Some incoherence ==

Hey there! To begin with, I want to make it clear I've got nothing against updating the desktop experience at all. I wanted to make it clear in case I seem like a person ranting something like, "Give me back my good old skin!121".

What I think is that by making the skin you folks tried to reconcile the legacy appearance with some modernity. A good point, though the effect is not as optimistic. The top buttons (edit & history & etc) that retain the legacy shadowing do not fit in with the new cohesive background as seen in the left-hand sidebar. I'd consider re-adapting the former so that they better suit the new design. [[User:Mustafar29|Mustafar29]] ([[User talk:Mustafar29|talk]]) 10:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== A few more issues with the Page header vs Sticky header icons ==
Premise: I agree with the comments above that an update can only be a good thing; I'm sending kudos to all the teams working behind the scenes; and I only started using Vector 2022 a few weeks ago - noticing that it gets better each day. I'm not sure if the issues I'm having are slated to be improved or are haven't yet been considered.

1. Lack of coherence in the sticky header iconography
I frequently work on the special pages where the sticky header is absent which makes it frustrating when I move to another page (article page) and it appears and then back to 'edit' or 'view the history' of a page and it disappears again. I feel that I should be able to move from page type to page type without noticing drastic changes in the header.

2. Order of icons and functionality is different between the sticky header and page header - specifically some items disappear completely, some move from one area to the next and others are simply re-ordered. (Until just now I thought the search bar had been remove but I just found it as an icon that was pushed to the extreme left hand side after the article title. Now I understand the others who said that with a 27" monitor the left side icons are essentially out of sight.)

[[file:Headers-sticky-vs-page.jpg|600px]]
* Examining the two headers more in detail we see that the icons seem to be in the same place which makes it hard to notice they are different. Starting from the right, we see that the icons are identical in both therefore, we naturally expect the two (people) dropdown menus to contian the same items.
* Moving towards the left we see two icons with a star which pertain to the same semiotic sphere yet actually have different functionalities. One icon (that looks like a drop down menu but isn't) takes you to your watchlist while the other simply indicates whether the current page is on your watchlist and fuctions as a toggle to add the page if it isn't. There is a futher issue with how similar this icon is to the 'Contributions' icon, making it hard to distinguish for those of us who have bad eyesight - but that is an issue for another post.
* Continuing to the left, the issue becomes more confusing. 'Your notices' from the page header disappears (or maybe I just haven't found it yet) and the text menu 'View history' moves into the sticky header as an icon -the tool tips are the same in both and they are basically in the same position onthe page, which helps a bit.
* And with the final icons (still moving left) the 'Your alerts' bell disappears (or hasn't been found) and the 'Discussions about this page' transform from a text menu on the left into an icon on the right, at least the tooltip is the same. I have to admit that it's not clear to me why my user name is only visible on the page header and then moves under the person icon in the sticky header. It's not exactly a problem in itself, but it does add to the confusion of icons and functionality that seems to jump around from page to page.
* Finally, it seems that the “Edit” and “Edit source” functions have disappeared along with the special menu items of “delete”, “purge” and “move” unless you scroll back up to the top of the page. I believe these issues have already been mentioned by others above.

Again a big thanks to all of you working hard to update the interface and the 'restyling'. I hope when this is all finished, the sticky header will be unobtrusive and not noticeable like the ones normally found on modern webpages. --[[User:Lepido|Lepido]] ([[User talk:Lepido|talk]]) 21:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Left menu too wide ==

The main menu on the left is too wide and makes the rest of the page appear too cramped in relation to the menu. [[User:Urban Versis 32|Urban Versis 32]] ([[User talk:Urban Versis 32|talk]]) 00:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== The TOC, again ==

It just makes all look too narrow and tight, at least to me. I've been working on various lists projects recently and now they all look god awful because they had the old look in mind. [[User:Tintero21|Tintero21]] ([[User talk:Tintero21|talk]]) 02:08, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
==I prefer the old version ==
It's cool but I prefer the old version. [[User:Super ninja2|Super ninja2]] ([[User talk:Super ninja2|talk]]) 07:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== suggestion: collapsible table of contents ==

the appearance of the site is far too narrow. i would suggest making the table of contents collpasible to the left. [[User:Lettherebedarklight|Lettherebedarklight]] ([[User talk:Lettherebedarklight|talk]]) 12:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
: Me too. Also could be hidden, in options, so the user can read better the text. Now, it is too narrow and tight. --[[User:BoldLuis|BoldLuis]] ([[User talk:BoldLuis|talk]]) 13:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Line under title colliding with coordinates ==
{{Tracked|T310369}}

[[File:TitleLineColliding.png|thumb|alt=Gray horizontal line under the title colliding with coordinates given on top right of page]]

See image. The horizontal line under the title collides with any coordinates that are displayed on the top right.
--[[User:MimiKal797|MimiKal797]] ([[User talk:MimiKal797|talk]]) 14:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

:Even I wanted to state this same issue. [[User:Excellenc1|Excellenc1]] ([[User talk:Excellenc1|talk]]) 16:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

: Also the floating title can obscure content. For example, open the front page of [[b:Oberon|Oberon]] and scroll to the bottom. Click on instance "a" of footnote 43. That should take you to "MT, in V5, the constant address ...". In fact, the next glossary entry "native, modifies the name ..." is displayed. Not a terrible defect but baffling for a novice trying to learn. Thx, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|talk]]) 00:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
::I came here for a MeToo (about the coords/line collision). Classic Vector does not have the problem. Also, I think the languages dropdown is uncomfortably close to the coordinates; if you hover over that button you can see they overlap, which generates cruft when the dropdown is activated. Did anyone write up a ticket? [[User:DavidBrooks|DavidBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidBrooks|talk]]) 15:35, 9 June 2022 (UTC) - OK, I did: T310369 [[User:DavidBrooks|DavidBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidBrooks|talk]]) 15:19, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
:::This is being discussed in [[:en:Template talk:Coord#Coordinates bad positioning]]. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:32, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

== Great GUI ==

Everything looks very appealing to me. I think the blank left space really aids in reading as the width of the line reduces its easier for me to not to confuse the line which I have to read next. Overall I loved it. One suggestion that I want to give is that it would be very nice if you could change the visual of the tab. It looks a little too classic to me and would be very nice of you if you could add dark mode ( I don't know if it already exists), this I think would give a very appealing look to the website . Thank You. [[Special:Contributions/]] 17:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
: If you ever want to reduce the width of the lines you are reading, I suggest you just resize your window, as the elegance of desktop browsing is that it gives you control over the size of the page. As for me, this layout takes away that control. Using it, I can no longer read an article with the full width of my screen without fiddling with my common.css, a luxury that would not be available to me when I'm not logged in, and am instead forced to use ~2/3 of that width, even when the window is reaching into every corner of my screen. There are several ways of using dark mode on wikipedia listed [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Dark_mode|here]], but I agree it should be made easier. --[[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 16:42, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback ==

I was prompted to give some feedback on the 2022 Vector skin, and I have to say that it needs a bit more work.
* The mix of new and old UI elements doesn't look good; specifically the View, Edit, Edit Source etc. menu bar looks out of place among the flatter new UI
* There's uneven and unnecessary padding around the left pane with the many links that can be filled with the pane
* There should be an option to have the content filling any display larger than 4:3, as most displays are 16:9. I understand the argument that it helps some people in reading but having an option is better, as it doesn't help ''all'' people. Additionally, a poll should be run in all Wikimedia projects on which one should be the default (4:3 or full width) — [[User:Dimsar01|Dimsar01]] ([[User talk:Dimsar01|talk]]) 23:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Here is My feedback
*I see that the sections are not properly sectioned on the screen
*I am using dark mode and when I want to add reference or qualifier or something like that, I see a white suggestion screen
All in all I can say for now is that I really needs more work done and I can prefer the older one for now thank you
[[User:Micheal Kaluba|Micheal Kaluba]] ([[User talk:Micheal Kaluba|talk]]) 05:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== Short description ==

It would be great to have the short description visible on pages, like it is on the search and on mobile, so users can more easily edit them and identify information.

Like said by other users, the mix of new and old UI looks bad. The [https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale most recent prototype], for all its faults, had a well unified UI. I also think that the page tools (and "In other projects") should be separated from links for the whole website like was done in the [https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale most recent prototype], though there were many flaws with that execution (see [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing/Feedback#User: BappleBusiness|my comments]]), and all those links should be condensed by default. "Beginning" should definitely be named "Lead" or "Lead section", like said by others.

I really appreciate the effort that is going into this. I think the vast majority of these changes are for the better, it just needs more work. [[User:BappleBusiness|BappleBusiness]] ([[User talk:BappleBusiness|talk]]) 00:32, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Software Gore ==

[[File:Languages on Wiktionary with new layout.png|thumb|Software gore]]
This is pure software gore. If you want to explain to me why it's like this, you're wasting your breath. I've edited Wiktionary for over a decade and I understand how it's come to look like this, and I don't even have a solution to propose. But I feel terrible for anyone trying to navigate this mess for the first time. —[[User:Pengo|Pengo]] ([[User talk:Pengo|talk]]) 00:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Watchlist tooltip ==

Hi folks! I'm vaguely used to the watchlist icon (since I've switched themes many times over the past decade or so, and use the mobile app/website), but I still need to resort to the tooltips when I'm on my desktop. It would seem I'm not the only one that takes a moment to mentally translate the icon to the concept in my brain (per {{ping|Nardog}}'s earlier [[#Watchlist icon]] comment). I may stay with "Vector 2022" over on [[commons:Main_page|commons.wikimedia.org]] after trying it out for a bit, but please: could y'all change the tooltip so that the word "watchlist" is in the tooltip? Currently, the icon sports the the very verbose tooltip: "''A list of pages you are monitoring for changes [Alt+Shift+I]''", which takes a moment for me to mentally translate into "''oh, they're trying to say 'Watchlist'!''". It would be helpful if (in addition to the keyboard shortcut), the tooltip also gave the mental shortcut, perhaps with the phrase: "''Watchlist: your list of pages to monitor for changes [Alt+Shift+I]''". Since I'm guessing y'all aren't changing "watchlist" to another word, I can imagine it would be helpful for new users too. -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 04:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
:Yeah, given all the other tooltips are just "Your alerts", "Your notices", and "User menu", it seems to me it should be simply "Watchlist" or at best "Your watchlist". [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 04:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== I want the code to make the sidebar TOC disappear ==

Please. Ping me. [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 05:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

It's probably not too hard since there seems to still be a {{tag|mw:tocplace}} element left -- you need to grab the element, move it back and do some style fixups. Kinda like [[w:zh:User:Artoria2e5/Gadget-sidetoc.js]] but backwards. --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:43, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Ah well, I am pretty convinced that having {{tag|mw:tocplace}} but not the actual TOC hidden there is a bug now. If that gets fixed, it should be just some CSS work in your vector-2022.css:
<pre>
#mw-panel-toc {display:none;}
#toc {display:block;}
</pre>
May need to sprinkle on a bit of !important. ping [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:Yep, TOC disappeared, leaving a blank space. [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 16:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::Well, just gotta wait until they come to their senses. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 00:55, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== Space for article too narrow ==

The article took up less than the full width of the screen in the old skin, but the increased padding and needlessly wide sidebar here make the usable region even smaller. This just reproduces the issues that have had to be worked-around on mobile, including some tables being too wide to fit in the space and causing horizontal scrolling, creating the need to scroll further to get between sections, as well as causing some large image thumbs to squish the article text into narrow strips. In my opinion, the sidebar, which I think most readers rarely make use of anyway, should be consigned to a modal rather than taking up even more space, so that the article can appear centred all the way down the page. This would make room for fairly wide margins on either side without causing as many issues. (I suggest this because it seems the most noticeable "improvement" here is the addition of extra whitespace, but really, what is wrong with making full use of the window width you are given?) [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 15:50, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
: I came here to complain about the same thing - limiting the width of the pageview doesn't make sense when you have a lot of text to display. Especially the discussions became harder to read. [[Special:Contributions/78.11.223.83|78.11.223.83]] 06:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC should make the page slowly scroll to the right section, and not just jump ==

By the way, I'm still waiting for the code necessary to deactivate the lateral TOC. I've already disabled the sticky header by using .vector-sticky-header {display:none;} [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 07:51, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:That would make it take longer to get where you want to be, and prevent the user from scrolling during the time the page is sliding. The current TOC works using anchors linked to IDs, which means you can get back to where you were by simply paging back, but this, I think, would not be possible if the links were actually buttons triggering JavaScript animations. [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 08:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC not appearing at all ==

It seems that Vector 2022 is not showing ''any'' TOC -- neither the regular one nor the side one -- when it probably should. I noticed this issue about a couple of days ago but assumed it was an error on my side. Today I checked out [[w:Dmitri_Shostakovich]], tried to add a <code>_<nowiki>_TOC__</nowiki></code> magic word, found out it does nothing, and then realized it's the skin that's broken when I retried in a logged out private tab.

In a private tab:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Shostakovich?useskin=vector-2022 has no TOC right now, but
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Shostakovich?useskin=vector has a TOC.

What's going on here? [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:One refresh later it's showing the side one. I must be descending into some sort of madness. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::Annd it's gone again. No outstanding errors in the console. Seems to be sone <code>@media screen { ... .sidebar-toc {display:none; ...</code> in one of the many load.php's ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=ext.cite.styles%7Cext.echo.styles.badge%7Cext.uls.interlanguage%7Cext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript%7Cext.wikimediaBadges%7Cjquery.makeCollapsible.styles%7Cmediawiki.ui.button%2Cicon%7Coojs-ui.styles.icons-alerts%7Cskins.vector.icons%2Cstyles%7Cwikibase.client.init&only=styles&skin=vector-2022]). What. the. heck. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::The intention of the code seems to be to show the sidebar only for screens wider than a value. That's a good idea, but only if the original TOC is not removed! --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== Bold, yet very appreciated changes ==

At first I didn't like it. My first thought was that it took more space, so I got less content in my screen. I compared it side by side with the old skin and in fact, elements got more margin. But after giving it a try, reading and moving through the article, I fell in love. I really like that the TOC is now on the left and moves along with the page. It was OK before but now it feels fancy. And I feel more people are going to benefit from it now. The cleaner, more "plain white" look is nice.

I understand the decision of limiting the width of the page on (very) wide screens. In my opinion, it is a sensible design decision that improves readability. Because if lines get too wide, it can make it harder to read. Maybe this "max-width" setting can become a thing users can tweak?

I tested this new skin on a modern computer and a 1440p screen. If I were to use my old laptop, I'm sure I'd like to have the option to change to the old skin. As it fits more content and uses less CPU resources.

I appreciate this changes, and feel they are for the better. Thank you! -- [[User:Zazke grt|Zazke grt]] ([[User talk:Zazke grt|talk]]) 06:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

: I've temporarily switched back to the old Vector skin in Wikipedia because some pages like this one [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Video%20games Wikipedia:Portal:Video_games] have their contents very croped or overflowing their boxes. --[[User:Zazke grt|Zazke grt]] ([[User talk:Zazke grt|talk]]) 06:49, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC not immediately visible ==
{{Tracked|T309632}}
I am going to refrain from complaining too much as I'm prone to do with any and all UI changes :)

However, I do find the placement of the TOC particularly problematic. Personally the first thing I do when landing on a Wikipedia article is, usually, click on something in the TOC. Having to scroll down first to find it is, to me, very frustrating. [[User:Argymeg|Argymeg]] ([[User talk:Argymeg|talk]]) 12:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== Better font for Arabic/Persian فونت بهتر برای فارسی/عربی ==

As a Persian user, I think font of wikipedia is not good for these languages; Maybe Vazirmatn or other open-source good looking fonts could be better.

به عنوان یک کاربر ایرانی، من فکر می‌کنم که فونت ویکی‌پدیا برای فارسی و عربی جالب نیست؛ شاید وزیرمتن یا سایر فونت‌های منبع‌باز که ظاهری خوبی دارند انتخاب‌های بهتری باشند. [[User:Amiria703|Amiria703]] ([[User talk:Amiria703|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== It seems like the Page Previews isn't working for me here ==

Although the new skin looks more sleek, I can't use the (very useful) feature of Page Previews here. So every time I'm in for a deep read, I have to switch back to the old look. Please implement the page previews here too. [[User:SamyakShirsh|SamyakShirsh]] ([[User talk:SamyakShirsh|talk]]) 03:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there! Thanks for the report! Could I get some more information on this issue? Page previews is working for me on both Vector and Vector 2022 skin. Are you talking about the user gadget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups ? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Use the white page on the right for TOC and navigation ==

The mobie version of wikipedia app has this really nice way of navigating through sections by swiping eight. I think you can imlement this in the desktop by placing the toc on the right [[User:SamyakShirsh|SamyakShirsh]] ([[User talk:SamyakShirsh|talk]]) 03:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lone value inside calc() ==

The style sheet of the new sticky table of contents uses <code>.mw-table-of-contents-container { top: calc(-2em); }</code>. Is there a reason for putting a lone value inside <code>calc()</code>? [[User:Anerisys|Anerisys]] ([[User talk:Anerisys|talk]]) 09:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks for flagging.
:The patch introducing this is:
:https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/skins/Vector/+/789691/5/resources/skins.vector.styles/layouts/screen.less
:The use of calc is accidental, and I think a mix up our end with the appropriate LESS mixin. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Trouble With Zooming In ==

My vision is poor so I usually zoom to 200% on my browser and it is no problem. With the new skin that same magnification causes the sidebar to take up the top of my screen and I can't see the title of the article and know what page I'm on without scrolling.

== Opt-in/out for page tools? ==

There've been a few discussions on this page about the page tools links, but one possibility I haven't seen mentioned here or at [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Page tools]] is providing a way for each reader/editor to choose which links appear. For example, I use "what links here" quite a lot, "related changes" and "random article" occasionally, and all the others virtually never. Other editors will have different experiences. How about allowing us to reduce clutter by choosing what we want to keep in the menu and what we can do without? [[User:Arms & Hearts|Arms & Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms & Hearts|talk]]) 19:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
:+1. I just want to say this was the last straw that made me force legacy Vector on all sites in GlobalPreferences. Is there no opt-out aside from putting <code>tableofcontents=0</code> in the URL? No "Expand all" button? Why is there a blank space beneath the ToC? Why fade it out rather than show as much as possible? This is just user-hostile. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 16:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

== Tabs misaligned? ==

The tabs on the left seem to be next to the tabs on the right, as depicted [https://imgur.com/UfeemZ1 here]. This wasn't the case last week; should this be reported here or elsewhere? Please move if need be. [[User:Ifly6|Ifly6]] ([[User talk:Ifly6|talk]]) 07:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:: Hi there, could I get a little more information on this one? What browser and device are you using? Are you viewing this on a mobile phone by any chance? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== TOC hidden for some reason ==

{{Tracked|T309632}}
When I put my Wikipedia tab to one side at half-width, which I often do whilst multitasking, the TOC disappears for some reason, even though the other side menu (which is the same width as the TOC) stays? I am clueless as to why. All article text is pushed way to the right for some reason. It would make more sense for it to be centred on all screen widths, or to make the entirety of the left menu a solid colour like it was before.

Basically, the sidebar should be made thinner as the tab width decreases.

Also the lack of a TOC below the lead results in images fighting for space with the infoboxes of articles. There should definitely be an option to move the TOC to where it normally resides as I and likely a lot of other editors find that placement more intuitive. [[User:Miklogfeather|Miklogfeather]] ([[User talk:Miklogfeather|talk]]) 16:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:My whole left sidebar has disappeared this morning. I had to switch themes just to get some editing done. — [[User:Xenophore|Xenophore]] ([[User talk:Xenophore|talk]]) 19:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

== My many criticisms with this ==

Since it seems like Miraheze is also going to be using this new Vector skin as its default, I would like to offer mine and a lot of other users' criticisms with this new skin:

* First of all, the unnecessary dead space. The actual content space is now more narrow and there is a ton of dead space.
* The user menu is now completely messed up. The log in button and talk and contribution buttons are hidden behind the three dots, even though those are the most important buttons and should be readily available. In fact, there is no need for anything to be hidden.
* The giant TOC in the sidebar. It serves no purpose and just further limits content space.

I fail to see how exactly this is an "improvement". Also, the current layout of the skin looks nothing like what is described on the page. There is nothing about a smaller user menu. Currently, the new skin just feels off to me, and I would prefer that this skin be currently branded as "experimental", since it is far from finished. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 21:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

:I'm fine with everything except the user menu changes and content width changes. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 21:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]]. Have you maybe read our documentation where we present the reasons why particular changes are needed, why we've introduced the limited width, and what we're taking into consideration regarding how to use the unused space? I invite you to explore [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features|this page]] and its sub-pages. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I already did. I read through them more thoroughly and while some seem like a good idea on paper, the user menu and limited width do not really seem to be an "improvement", as there are now extra steps involved. The user menu is the most important thing for me and many users, and now I have to click on a separate button to log in. Maybe less limited width, since right now 1/4 of the screen is just empty space with the new skin. I still use the original Vector as my personal default, but I usually browse logged out. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 22:40, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Wikistories ==

Will Vector 2022 be influenced by [[Wikistories]]? --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 10:09, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]], what do you mean by influenced? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]: If Vector 2022 will be adapted for (compatible from a design perspective with) Wikistories. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 19:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:::@[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]], definitely. All the projects that currently are being built are compatible with or neutral to Vector 2022. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 16:47, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== Visibility Suggestions ==

Hi, first of all thanks for the work and the nice redesign. I really prefer it over the old vector look already.

I use Wikipedia mainly to get an overview or better intuition about topics related to my studies. For me, I prefer the narrower text for better readability and the persistent TOC on the left side of the screen. Makes reading complex pages a lot less painful with easy access to quick navigation.

I have some suggestions for the default behaviour of the current design:

* There should be an '''option to collapse the navigation sidebar/area''' by default (the area which contains ''Main page'', ''Contents'', ''Current events'' etc.). I am one of those people who rarely uses any of those links.
* More of an issue is due to this: The '''TOC is not always immediately visible as the navigation sidebar pushes it too far down.''' Perhaps move the sidebar to somewhere else or make it collapsible by default as suggested?
* Additionally, It '''should be more obvious that the navigation sidebar/area is collapsible.''' Currently the toggle is kind of far and disconnected from the area. I only found this out after wondering what that arrow ''<<'' meant.
* A nice addition would be to add '''more obvious indicators for current position in the TOC''' (loved this new feature the most!). I think right now the text of the current headline is just black. It would be cool if there was some highlighting or perhaps a dot to make it easier to see at a quick glance.

[[User:Devin.halsted|Devin.halsted]] ([[User talk:Devin.halsted|talk]]) 11:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

:I just noticed, that the toggling of the '''navigation sidebar/area''' does indeed persist. I just didn't notice because i switched between too many tabs.
:Something other I noticed, is perhaps that would be good for '''scrollable TOC''' to be more visibly "scrollable"? Right now there is no indication except that maybe some text is cut off. [[User:Devin.halsted|Devin.halsted]] ([[User talk:Devin.halsted|talk]]) 11:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Fifth prototype testing ==

:''Moved from [[Topic:Wx2jt9he9u1ipkpb]]''
Nothing about sticky header? The order of icons, the present icons for IPs, etc. [[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]] ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]]) 17:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
: Thanks for this comment, [[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]. As we explain on the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing|page of the fifth round of prototype testing]], that round will only be dedicated to considerations around the visual design. Pure aesthetics. The order of icons, selection of icons for IP etc., are functional considerations which may be discussed right here, on this talk page, regardless of the 5th prototype testing. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:38, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== General Feedback on Sidebar ==

I agree with other feedback that complains about the sidebar being to wide. This is a waste of space, please reduce the width a bit. However, I think it's not the width of the container but the left margin that makes people (including myself) upset. Therefore, I suggest to completely get rid of the left padding of the main container. Also please reduce the left margin of the article container to just 10 or 20 px. Even more space is wasted if the side bar is collapsed: Why is the sidebar positioned higher than ToC? This leaves free space on top of it.

You discussed that the lines of text would be too long otherwise. You could significantly reduce the length if you moved the side bar from the left side to right. You then would have (from left to right) ToC, article, sidebar.

Furthermore, the ToC should be on top of the other sections because for most people, ToC is more important than the other links. Although I understand the intention behind this to invite more people to contribute to Wikipedia, I still don't like it. [[User:GeographyMasterDE|GeographyMasterDE]] ([[User talk:GeographyMasterDE|talk]]) 09:16, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

== JPG screenshots ==

Just to point out that [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements|this page]], in which supposed design gurus are offering a lifeline to a wikipedia supposedly plagued by unsofisticated looks, is illustrated with screenshots saved in JPEG format… [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuvalkin]] ([[User talk:Tuvalkin|talk]]) 14:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

== Limited Content Width ==

I want to state my opposition the limited content width. I understand the research that the narrower format improves readability. However, there are number of good reasons not to adopt the change:

* Yes, [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Popular sites with limited width|many sites]] do use fixed width content, but in many cases their motivation is to use the space to sell advertising – a function not befitting Wikimedia. (Some news sites, such as those run by [http://www.gannett.com Gannett] have even taken the theory one step further and display all their articles as overlays – meaning that if a user accidentally clicks in the shadowed area on either side, they are frustratingly taken back to the homepage.) For this reason, full width content suggests a more reputable website. It implies a dedication to the facts, rather than attempting to fill the page with flashy content. (A [http://motherfuckingwebsite.com different website] has a more profane take on the concept. It doesn't deal directly with the issue at hand, but the underlying issue is the same.) This change just seems like another case of mobile overoptimization.
* Additionally, as correctly the noted at the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Additional notes|end of the page on the change]] is "part of what makes Wikipedia, and other Wikimedia wikis, a powerful tool for sharing knowledge is that there are very few constraints on how information is presented." For example, it's the reason that widths are specified in "ems" rather than number of columns in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Div_col div col template]. Don't get me wrong, I very strongly appreciate the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Establishing a common reading experience|need for a common standard]]. I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/Style_guide#Proposed_Aircraft_Manufacture_Aircraft_Section_Table fought for it] on Wikipedia. However, this is not the place for it.
* It is clear to me that the majority of commenters here strongly oppose limited content width. It is not to be confused with people just being afraid of change. Note that there are far fewer complaints with most of the other proposed features. I don't have access to the survey results, but a [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Repository/First Prototype Feedback Report#Summary of results|sample size of 230 users]] seems exceedingly small for such a major change. Furthermore, the commenters here are likely to a better representation of the dedicated portion of the userbase, as they took the time to respond here.

I would like to end by stating I am not completely opposed to the change. However, it should only be ''opt-in'', not the default skin. –[[User:Noha307|Noha307]] ([[User talk:Noha307|talk]]) 03:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

== Width and font size and color ==
As above, I don't like adding so much margin around the sides, or punishing people with large monitors by forcing them to change skins (which is not easy for everyone). If you are set on fixed-width columns, find a way to wrap columns within a section for wide screens :) rather than leaving huge vistas blank.

I like the move to slightly larger font.

The link color changes are most welcome. The purple could be a bit more red, to make it less pastel. Good to have a combination of "high contrast w/ other text" and "doesn't wash out on displays or projection in bright areas". [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 00:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== Section number in new ToC ==

I noticed that there is no section number in the new ToC. I hope the section number will be added again because I can quickly see how many topics there are on the talk page. [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 07:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== Move infoboxes out of the text area ==

Given that we are limiting the space for text and freeing up space on the sides, it seems to me that it would be much better to move the infoboxes to the left side, and stretch the text to its full width. Like this: https://znaniya.org/c/pushkin-aleksandr-sergeevich-8cab44. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 23:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
: I second this. Such a shame that this request is already explicitly [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Frequently_asked_questions#Will_you_improve_charts,_maps,_a-/f-/o-/tmboxes,_infoboxes,_navboxes,_other_templates?|rejected in the FAQ]]. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] & @[[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]], generally, we agree that it is a nice idea. From a reader's standpoint, infoboxes aren't pure content - rather, these are metadata and could totally work as something put next to the content area. However, these are absolutely content from the technical point of view (because these are regular templates). This issue makes it... impossible? to move them. For underlying infrastructural/back-end reasons I can't explain yet.
:However, there's a turning point. What would we work on after the Desktop Improvements? We're considering options for functionalities put in that (currently) empty area. So this topic may be revisited in the future. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], thanks for the answer! Note: We can create a separate edit area that will be responsible for the infobox, or we can move the infobox using HTML :) [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== July? ==

> ''We are hoping to increase the set of early adopter wikis gradually, until our improvements are default on all wikis in July 2022.'' 
Has the schedule changed? [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 00:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

:It has, @[[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]]. Previously it was June, now it's July. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 16:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], thanks! It's just strange that there was no information about this before. And the wikis was not informed about it. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 16:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Information was sent yesterday in Tech News. Also, this week, I'll send an update to the Village Pumps. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:30, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::: Yes, I saw it, thanks for that! But the day before yesterday, when I saw this, I got scared, because the community was not ready for this. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 19:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::We work with individual communities to help them prepare. We also don't ask the most "demanding" communities to prepare yet because Vector 2022 isn't ready to get deployed there either. We take into account that some prefer Vector 2022 to be closer to "finished", and then they would start thinking about preparing. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Language switcher opt-out ==

The new language picker is a deal breaker for me as an active editor who is working with a very diverse array of topics on Wikipedia. I write about [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Māori_phonology Māori language], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тэруха Japanese geisha], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Литература_Тайваня Taiwanese literature], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Эскимосская_кухня Inuit cuisine], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Парагвайская_арфа Paraguayan instruments], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мишон Vietnamese temples], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кабилия Algerian regions], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Берберская_кухня Berber cuisine], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кайна_(профессия) Arabic professions]. I write [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_exchange articles] that compare dozens of cultures [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Грамматическое_число or languages].

I need a way to hover over the list of languages to see the name of the page in a different random language (which can be anything from Korean to Twi). I need to be able to open 50 language editions very quickly to estimate if any of them have good illustrations or any new literature on the topic that I am working on. I often read the same article in 4 languages simply because I can read in a lot of languages and I am wondering which language edition has the best article. The workflow with the new language picker is tremendously stunted.

The main idea of the new interface seems to be making the page width more narrow. With that, there is a lot of free space at the sides, and I would like to propose putting a full list of languages there, as an option. [[User:Le Loy|Le Loy]] ([[User talk:Le Loy|talk]]) 00:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes, I agree, the decision taken now does not help advanced editors work in projects, but hinders them. I think we need to make a separate setting for the "always open" list. The problems of this list have still existed since sorting was removed. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 15:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{support}}--[[User:Wdpp|Wdpp]] ([[User talk:Wdpp|talk]]) 11:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Old version ==
:''Moved from [[Topic:Wxcz2an2ck4s4cdy]]''
After these changes are made, can I still use the old settings? [[user:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] ([[user talk: Ilovemydoodle|talk]]) 09:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes [[user:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]], legacy Vector will be available and you will be able to use it as your skin. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Incorrect language name for Czech ==

I noticed that for Czech (čeština in Czech) in the new look the first letter is incorrect, it says "Ceština" instead of "Čeština". I do think it is pretty funny, but would say it should be consistent with the rest of the themes.

I hope this is the right place for this, I didn't find anywhere else to post. [[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]] ([[User talk:Filiptronicek|talk]]) 09:46, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]]. Thanks for writing to us. Most likely, it's not within our area, but I'll help you if the problem still exists. Where do you see this? On Polish and English Wikipedias, I see "Čeština". [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:42, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi there @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], perhaps it may have something to do with Czech being suggested to me as a language? I don't have an alt account to test this with though.
::Screenshot of what I see on the English wikipedia: https://i.imgur.com/T40u7rN.png. It is some very interesting behavior. Thanks for looking into this. [[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]] ([[User talk:Filiptronicek|talk]]) 13:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

== Please take the interlanguage link (aka "green link") on Chinese Wikipedia into consideration! ==

The Chinese Wikipedia currently uses a green-colored link for interlanguage links in articles, and it seems to fail the WCAG AAA. These links can been seen at [[zh:Deadmau5]], for instance. These links are used a lot on Chinese Wikipedia, and I'm not sure if it is good for readers. If you want to evaluate link colors, please also take this green link into consideration, thank you. Looking forward to your professional advice! [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 11:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:I know these links are not part of Vector 2022, but they are part of the user experience, and currently there is a discussion at Chinese Wikipedia's Village Pump about the choice of color of them, so I posted my message here. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 11:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of content (ToC) ==

Hi! Since weeks ago I don't see the table of content in the sidebar like I used to do before. It just disappeared. It happens when I'm connected in my phone using desktop version. Best regards! '''''[[User talk:Miaow|Miaow]]''''' 12:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Miaow|Miaow]]. Thank you for reporting this problem. We're working on a better look of TOC on small screens. I also strongly suggest you selecting the [[Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions|advanced mobile contributions]] mode when you're using your phone. That mode is dedicated for mobile, in contrast to Desktop Improvements. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 10:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Better alignment for wide screens ==

[[File:Article with new vector.png|thumb|]]

Here's how the new design looks on my laptop with 2560x1600 resolution. Ok, I get it, you won't do anything about the max-width and you insist on using this path. But look, the parts highlighted with purple ellipses just look misaligned. It just begs for the following:
* Reduce the white background so that its right end matches the right end of the article OR insert something into that area. Having gray empty space is ok, but having both white and gray empty spaces look just silly.
* Reduce the header so that its right end matches the right end of the article OR extend the white background of the header so that it fills the whole width of the page (see e.g. how it's done on [https://stackexchange.com StackExchange] or [https://www.reddit.com Reddit].

Again, I get your rationale that having empty space is ok. But having a white empty space on top of the gray empty space... Don't you think it's a bit too much? [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 01:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: [https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/getting-started/ Material for MkDocs] is another example of what I consider a more successful implementation of reduced max-width. The main part has the same background (having same white background on the whole page would also look good on wiki) and the header part has background that extends beyond max-width. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 01:25, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::When we look to the prototype https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue%20whale?en (and https://vector-2022.web.app/Brown_bear), it's fill by "Tools", "In other projects", "Print, share, link" [[User:Koreller|Koreller]] ([[User talk:Koreller|talk]]) 08:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::: It looks somewhat nicer, but the white empty space is still there if you collapse sidebars or scroll a bit... Also seem to have different defaults for logged in and logged out users. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Launching New Version ==
:''Moved from [[Topic:Wxf5fv5pmxyyccdy]]''
When shall the new version ([[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing/Feedback|Fifth prototype]]) be launched? [[user: Stnts256|Stnts256]] ([[user talk:Stnts256|talk]]) 08:54, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: We hope to launch Vector 2022 as default by the end of July. You can use it already by [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|selecting this option in your preferences]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]] [[User:Stnts256|Stnts256]] ([[User talk:Stnts256|talk]]) 14:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keep watchlist in the sticky header ==

For an active Wikipedia editor, watchlist is likely the most popular destination when you're on some page. Would be great to keep the link there in the header, even after some scrolling. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Keeping alerts and notices would also be nice. And also for it to work on the talk pages... [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:26, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes, it bothers me that my control panel disappears. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 16:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Second that. The most-used buttons of the standard interface (watchlist, contribs, interwikis) should stay in place, accessible with one mouse click. With the proposed layout I have to press tab-tab-tab... and then ctrl-enter to get to the watchlist. Why so? I can't reliably use the proposed drop-down menu with mouse, it's a common age-related ailment. I'd highly recommend to retain at least some bits of usability-for-disabilities: no complex manipulations. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 09:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

== clear:both rendering on old browsers ==
{{Tracked|T309711}}

I have tried browsing the wiki on Internet Explorer 11 on the new skin for one last time before Microsoft disables it, and it worked well, except something I have noticed is that the CSS property <code>@media screen .mw-body-header::after { clear:both; }</code> causes the side bar to push down the content. When unticking <code>clear:both</code> in the page inspector or when the side bar is hidden, it appears as usual. While fixing it for IE11 won't be relevant anymore, earlier versions of other browsers might have this flaw too. Mentioning it just in case. [[User:Octobod|Octobod]] ([[User talk:Octobod|talk]]) 23:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the interwikis? ==

Is there a simple way to access interwikis, other than by going to wikidata? Also, having two quasi-interwikis for wikidata is quite confusing. Only the second one actually works, the first one defaults to wikidata's start page. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 09:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] - currently, the adding interwiki links is available from the sidebar: "Edit interlanguage links" in the tools section. In the future, we would like to add them into the language selector as well. We are currently working with our Language team on this - see [[phab:T290436|Add support for empty states to the current language selector]] in phabricator for more details. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 13:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:: {{ping|OVasileva (WMF)}}, I see. Curiously, "Edit interlanguage links" does not appear on the main page (at least in ru-wp). [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 13:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Suggestion: Round borders ==

I appreciate very much the efforts to make the design of Wikipedia less outdated, and imo this new design is amazing. To make it even better I would suggest you guys to put round borders in the boxes, so let's add border-radius:14px in these functions! This will make it cleaner and softer! [[User:Duke of Wikipädia|Duke of Wikipädia]] ([[User talk:Duke of Wikipädia|talk]]) 22:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Top margin in title ==

Just noticed the new version and it looks like the title's top margin was reduced. There is an awkward amount of bottom margin for the title compared to top margin and I personally prefer the previous margins. [[User:0xDeadbeef|0xDeadbeef]] ([[User talk:0xDeadbeef|talk]]) 06:55, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

== Very minor improvements ==

I just got the new toolbar this morning, and I absolutely love it! Finally Wikipedia does not look old anymore. But I would like you guys to add a little more than just a border for the active section in the toolbar, probably a lighter background for active tabs and a darker one for non active tabs.

For example, if I'm reading an article, the 'Read' tab in addition to the bottom border, it should be lighter. The 'Talk' tab should be lighter also if I'm in the talk section. This should work well with something like option 3 combined with option 9 (where the header and the title has grey background) in [https://di-visual-design-borders-bgs.web.app/Zebra this border and background demo here]. I like option 3 a lot so it would be good if you guys implemented it, haha.

I apologize if my English is not clear. [[User:Klrfl|Klrfl]] ([[User talk:Klrfl|talk]]) 12:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

== new table of contents ==

For pages with a long table of contents such as this one, the table of contents starts jumping to highlight the current heading. Would it be possible to consider smooth scrolling behaviour for the table of contents at the new location (as for example invoked by <code>.vector-toc-enabled .sidebar-toc { scroll-behavior: smooth; }</code>)? Or is there something like a frozen state or is/was/will be this rejected for another reason? --[[User:CamelCaseNick|CamelCaseNick]] ([[User talk:CamelCaseNick|talk]]) 23:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:Patafisik|Patafisik]] ([[User talk:Patafisik|talk]]) 10:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Sister project links ==
(From [https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente%3APatafisik_%28WMF%29&type=revision&diff=127968745&oldid=127933193 it.wikipedia])

{{ping|Friniate}} suggests to gather the Wikidata link and the Sister project links in the same place.--[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 09:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

== Impact ==

How does the team plan to assess/measure whether the Vector changes work towards their stated goals, so that we're able to correct course in case they don't? [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 00:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Great addition of ToC menu through icon wrt zoom !!! ==

I <s>have just</s> discovered a few days ago, in the french version of WP, as well as here in MediaWiki, the addition of a ToC menu, just before the title, that appears when the left column is NOT visible (at least effect of zooming), and '''this is a GREAT GREAT improvement, MANY-many thanks to the developpers'''.

There still remains a small bug that appeared with this change (at least I didn't notice it before) : the upper (collapsile) bar appears no more. It reappears back when zoom permits back the side left column (tested with an article page in fr.WP ; no appearance "here" while editing, or even while just reading. but I guess it's a different thing, maybe because this is a talk page : I get the same "behaviour" in a talk page from fr.WP : no appearance of the upper collapside bar even if a left colum ToC is present. Might not be a "bug", but a feature, though I would personnaly prefer a uniform behaviour).

Whatever, great thanks to the developers. 
  (Poke @[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] : thanks for relaying these improvements, and back, our comments. Best :-) ) 
  -- [[User:Eric.LEWIN|Eric.LEWIN]] ([[User talk:Eric.LEWIN|talk]]) 06:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Both the ToCs ==

(From the French Wikipedia [[:fr:Discussion_Projet:Am%C3%A9lioration_de_l%27interface_par_la_WMF#Sommaire_%C3%A0_gauche_:_ajouter_plut%C3%B4t_que_remplacer_?|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/24_mai_2022#Sommaire|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/26_mai_2022#Bug_du_sommaire|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/19_juin_2022#Tables_des_mati%C3%A8res|here]] and [[:fr:Wikipédia:Le_Bistro/25_juin_2022#Sommaire_dans_la_barre_de_gauche|here]])

I've already reported this to Szymon, but I think it will be important to have this suggestion also in this page, visible to all and open to comments.

Different users of the French Wikipedia consider the old ToC and the new one as two complementary tools, and they want both! Reasons: 1) for the context, the ToC should be on the top of the article. If we have the first part of the sidebar occupied by the wiki navigation menu, the ToC is too far on the bottom of the page, it appears on the top only when you scroll down 2) the layout of articles with illustrations is completely disrupted.

Both why?

"When I look at the beginning of an article, I expect to see a ToC with the main sections in order to understand how the article is structured (quite like in a Word document). This makes it easier to read.
The ToC on the left is then very useful when you scroll down the article and want to navigate between sections, but it is an additional feature. It should not replace the current summary, which is still useful.
Or it should be displayed from the start at the top left, when you are at the top of the article (quite like on Universalis)." (summarised by Pronoia [https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ALe_Bistro%2F26_mai_2022&type=revision&diff=194205255&oldid=194153014 here])--[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 11:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Интервики в правый блок ==

Сейчас правое поле статьи абсолютно пустое. Что мешает перенести туда интервики-ссылки, вместо их полного сворачивания, а также подходящие по смыслу к ним ссылки на братские проекты? Это позволит: 1) избежать совершенно ненужного сворачивания списка (бессмысленно его уменьшать, когда высвободилось столько места); 2) заполнить правое поле; 3) частично разгрузить левое поле, чтобы оглавление было лучше видно сразу на первой же странице текста (сейчас при текущих настройках экрана я во французской Википедии вижу в среднем две верхних строки оглавления). [[User:AndyVolykhov|AndyVolykhov]] ([[User talk:AndyVolykhov|talk]]) 12:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Languages in the new desktop interface ==

In the older interface I can select the interwikis that I need most and put them on top of the interwikis' list; same possibility should be in the newer interface. [[User:Leokand|Leokand]] ([[User talk:Leokand|talk]]) 15:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== minor issues ==

* The position at which the table of contents is sticky changes with the sticky header becoming visible/hidden. (<code>.vector-toc-enabled.vector-sticky-header-visible .sidebar-toc { margin-top: 1.5em }</code> vs. <code>.vector-toc-enabled .sidebar-toc { margin-top: 3.5em }</code>) With the sidebar navigation hidden, this makes the table of contents jump up by <code>2em</code> while scrolling.
* At a window width of exactly 1000px the table of contents on the left is displayed but styled like the drop-down table of contents and the drop-down button is still visible but has no influence on the table of contents.
* At 720px+ the logo is displayed, the username and potentially a language switcher. With my username on this wiki in German, the watchlist and the user menu are outside the viewport, so this threshold is chosen to narrow. Maybe a solution would be to move the username link to the user menu at 1000px and lower.
(For CSS rendering, I use Firefox v101.) -- [[User:CamelCaseNick|CamelCaseNick]] ([[User talk:CamelCaseNick|talk]]) 17:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Drop-down menues = poor accessibility ==

Repeating prior statements for clarity: May I speak on behalf of old folks with less-than-perfect control of palms and fingers. The replacement of simple "button" links (contribution, statistics, interwikis...) with drop-down menues becomes a huge inconvenience. In plain monobook, I can simply click on the interwiki, and hopefully get the desired tab at the first try. In vector-2022, I cannot reliably pull down the drop-down list and then select something with a mouse... it almost never works as intended. A very common age-related ailment, it just happens. The only robust workaround is to use the keyboard to "tab-tab-tab..." to the desired control box, and then "enter-tab-tab-...-enter" through the list. And, in case of interwikis, selecting the main (en:) wikipedia takes atrociously long time - instead of being #1 entry, as in old good monobook with my normal preference settings, it's somewhere down the middle of the list. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:46, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Irish language Wikipedia and Vector 2022 ==

[[File:Irish Wikipedia random article - Vector 2022.png|thumb|ga.wp random article screencap - Vector 2022]]
[[File:Irish Wikipedia random article - Vector old.png|thumb|ga.wp random article screencap - current Vector]]

Hi there. I'm [[w:ga:User:Alison]] - admin and bureaucrat on the Irish language Wikipedia. I'd be remiss in not providing feedback, I think, so here goes.

* I see other folks pointing out the massive amount of whitespace / padding in the left side navbar which is squeezing out the actual article text on the right. On our wiki, it really seems significant. IMO, article is all, and we seem to be sacrificing actual content real-estate for ... what, exactly? Yes, it looks 'less cluttered', but there's actually less content - especially for those of us who both browse ''and'' edit on laptop screens.

* On the top tab section (which is otherwise quite nice), you can see the ''Plé'' (Talk) and ''Léigh'' (Read) are scrunched together with no separation. I18n bug, maybe?

* The main image and title have lost their localization and now show "Wikipedia" instead of "Vicipéid" - this could just be an image localization / config issue. Could someone point me in the right direction, maybe? I did the original, later-font localization for our wiki, some years back, so happy to dip in and fix :)

Le gach dea-ghuí (best regards),

-- Allie [[User:Alison|'''Alison''']] [[User talk:Alison|❤]] 16:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

:multilingual Wikipedians: during redesigh include current non-english desighs for evaluation, including spanish, french and german. They have good ideas and bad ideas... [[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 01:10, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
: The "PléLéigh" issue looks like it's [[phab:T309223|T309223]], a known issue. Until it is fixed in MediaWiki, try updating your browser(s) – the issue occurs if your browser doesn't support a certain relatively new feature. [[User:Rummskartoffel|Rummskartoffel]] ([[User talk:Rummskartoffel|talk]]) 21:59, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hey there! Regarding logos https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T244486 is what you are looking for - basically every logo needs to be recreated. You can request one on that ticket to be prioritized higher or find information about creating new ones.
::Regarding sidebar whitespace I am not sure I understand. The extra padding is for the table of contents underneath the sidebar. You say it's squeezing article text on the right but in your screenshots the Vector 2022 screenshot shows more of the article text. I can see the description section heading for example.
::I can confirm the PléLéigh issue is a bug and will hopefully be fixed soon.
::Hope this is helpful. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 01:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== TOC-Feedback ==

I just recognized what disturbs me the most with the new TOC. I wasn't able to access the TOC without scrolling or clicking when using a community-Page. The main thing: '''It's mixing system and content'''. The TOC is for the content, but appearing on a place of "system". The "frame" is the Media-Wikisystem: accessing Community-Pages, Help, recent changes, user-page etc. Inside the "frame" is the content (the "article", the "book"...). Although it's kind of logical to have the TOC sticky on the side there are so many problems with it:
# the TOC can't be manipulated by magic words, which is a pretty well used functionality.
# the TOC can't be placed to the right, which is pretty often used in german wikibooks.
# the TOC is in competition with the other menus.
# the TOC is now at a place where normally links to other pages are placed.
The same fear of mixing system and content goes with switching the Header and the "Editing-Tabs" (Compare https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale: '''Blue Whale''' first, ''read/edit'' second). BTW the TOC works at this demo-page because the Main Menu is so short. But since this is not fixed (which is a good thing!), the Main Menu might be longer. A good illustration of the problem is visible just the paragraph above this: [[#Irish language Wikipedia and Vector 2022]]. The TOC in the Vector22-Example is completely missing!

So, just as an Idea: '''divide system and content''' - say system top&left (as it's always been) and content bottom&right. the TOC could be placed "always right" next to the text. At least please let the editor choose what to do with the TOC. I mean, wouldn't it be so bad if it's within the Content '''and''' at the side?

I'm fine with the new skin and all the work that has been put in, but the TOC is becoming unusable for me like it is right now. If it's really becoming permanent, it will probably result in "self-made-TOCs" which will break pretty often, because of the "wiki"-system. [[User:HirnSpuk|HirnSpuk]] ([[User talk:HirnSpuk|talk]]) 17:37, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== The new design is everything I feared ==

Jumpable, irritatingly movable buttons? Check. Sticky UI that eats up immense space both at the top (header) and to the left (table of contents)? Check. Tiny narrow line of text in the middle? Check. Buttons not looking like buttons, thus confusing me as to what I may click? Check. The language menu made objectively worse, with more clicks necessary to use than before? Check. Every single change is atrocious, negative, and honestly makes me feel depressed - I will either try to scour Reddit for browser extensions to remove as much of it as possible (no, logged in user things are useless to me as I'm never logged in), or I will leave Wikipedia for good (mental health is more important than knowledge).

Just look at this useless eyesore of a sticky table of contents ([https://i.postimg.cc/bz2zZM2C/2022-06-22-Wikipedia-English-51-UI-bug.png screenshot on postimage] - I hope, you aren't getting the ads, I'm getting none). Even aesthetics-wise, it's botched - the bottom is smudged, the top cut-off. And it's not even at the edge of the screen! It's an exercise in ugliness.

And just saying it here, this Wikimedia redesign is already making it unintuitive for me to write. When I tried to insert the link, I couldn't even see the [https://i.postimg.cc/qBp0ZvDS/2022-06-22-Wikipedia-English-53-UI-bug.png ''upload'' button] - because it's on the edge of the sub-menu (like on phones), not somewhere sensible, like on computers (again, compare how it is on current Wikipedia - a [https://postimg.cc/TpMNbPHg large nice menu with clear buttons at the bottom], computer design). [[User:Adûnâi|Adûnâi]] ([[User talk:Adûnâi|talk]]) 18:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== wordmark no longer appears after upgrading to MediaWiki 1.38.1, style bugs ==

After upgrading to MediaWiki 1.38.1 from 1.36.1, the wordmark no longer appears next to the icon in the upper left. If the window is wide enough, the 150px space for the wordmark is reserved but is empty. When you make the window wider past a certain width, the coloring behind the sidebar also vanishes. This happens with Vector 2010 in both legacy and non-legacy mode and in Vector 2022. The wordmark image is an svg that has not moved and still has correct permissions [[User:Queernix1028|Queernix1028]] ([[User talk:Queernix1028|talk]]) 19:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

:What is the value of wgLogos in your LocalSettings.php? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 14:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
$wgLogos = [
'icon' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/logo.svg",
'1x' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/logo.png",
'wordmark' => [
'src' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/wordmark.png",
'1x' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/wordmark.svg",
'width' => 150,
],
];
::It previously worked with wordmark src set to the svg file, but now neither that configuration nor the one above work. [[User:Queernix1028|Queernix1028]] ([[User talk:Queernix1028|talk]]) 14:32, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:I believe you need to set a height on the wordmark. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 00:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== Menus — https://di-visual-design-menus.web.app/Brown_bear. ==

*left side menu persistency is screen wasteful, bad idea
** use a tab like google maps?
*left side menu: should be hamburger only
**as an option for experienced, registered users
**need style sheet that puts ''left side column'' '''at bottom of page''' as a footer
*language list:
**should include native and english names
**include a user-customizable shortlist
*[[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 00:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

== Language links on Wikidata are right at the bottom of the page ==

I've enabled the new theme (Vector 2022) globally on all wikis. I generally like the new interface. However when I am on wikidata, previously the interlanguage links were on the right. (Where an infobox usually goes on a wikipedia page) Now they are right at the bottom of the page! Some wikidata pages are massive, and having to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the screen to do the thing I do most frequently on wikidata (add new language links) is a real pain. Please can you move the language links on wikidata back to the top (top right) of the page? - [[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]] ([[User talk:Rooiratel|talk]]) 14:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]]. Thanks for your opinion. Are you talking about the desktop view? What's the resolution of your screen? I've tried to narrow my window down and change its width, and it seems that the width thresholds when the interwiki links go from the bottom to the right are the same. Is there any setting you use that may make your experience different? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi {{ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} this is for the desktop view. I am seeing this behaviour on my 1080p laptop screen and my 1440p desktop screen. I haven't used the mobile view, so can't comment on that. - [[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]] ([[User talk:Rooiratel|talk]]) 06:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Infobox element alignment is mangled in mobile view ==

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but when I click on "Mobile view" with Vector 2022, many of the infobox elements are misaligned. Many elements that should be centered are left-aligned, and many elements that should be left-aligned are centered. At least that's what it looks like for me in Chrome for Mac OS at [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic&useskin=vector-2022 this page]. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 02:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:Wow, that looks odd. Thanks @[[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] for reporting this. Right now, I only have one question - why do you use the mobile view and Vector 2022 mixed together? Minerva is dedicated for mobile, and Vector 2022 is dedicated for desktop. Having these two at the same time is bold and original :) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::I was just doing some very beginner-level QA testing. Editors do all sorts of ridiculous things, so I try to do some QA testing by doing ridiculous things. If you want editors to use Vector 2022 for desktop-only and Minerva for mobile-only, then make the "Mobile view"/"Desktop view" link at the bottom of the screen switch between the skins. Meanwhile, I'll be over here in legacy Vector where I can fill my browser window with content.... [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:15, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Using the mobile domain with the Vector skin invokes a special mode with lots of odd behaviour. It's not part of this project but will hopefully get fixed some day. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:30, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== "Related articles" appear to be missing ==

I do not see the "Related articles" section at the bottom of the mobile view. I don't really care, but since the "Principles" section of this page says "We do not remove any functionality", I thought I'd mention it. It makes me wonder what other functionality has been removed, and whether this principle is really being followed in a systematic way. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 03:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

RelatedArticles appears to be working fine to me. I see it on Minerva. What do you mean by "at the bottom of mobile view"? The scope of this project is the desktop site so no changes to the mobile domain have been made.

RelatedArticles does not show on the skins of certain websites and has not shown on Vector or Vector 2022 unless the community has explicitly requested. See [[phab:T144812]], [[phab:T181242]] and [[phab:T278611]] for example. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 14:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
:I think this is my mistake. I was comparing [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic this] (default mobile view on en.WP) with [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic&useskin=vector-2022 this] (Vector 2022 mobile view) and assuming that the default mobile view used some version of the Vector skin, but I think that is not correct. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah okay. This mode is only accessible by a special URL and is not being worked on as part of this project. Thanks for taking the time to explain! [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== 非常に見にくい ==

日本語で失礼します。本日ごろから日本語版ウィキペディアのスキンに変更があったようですが、
# 文字の大きさをブラウザ側から変更できない(Safari使用)。
# そもそも標準の文字サイズが大きすぎる。
# 目次が項目名の横に位置が変わったせいでアクセスが煩雑になった。
# Infoボックスが大きすぎる
などの変更のせいで、余計見づらくなったような気がします。可能であれば改善するか、もしくは変更前のスキンに戻して欲しいです。 [[User:イカしたイカ|イカしたイカ]] ([[User talk:イカしたイカ|talk]]) 08:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Please evaluate CJK characters' font size in Vector 2022 ==
{{tracked|T311469}}
For your infomation, the Chinese Wikipedia already has a [[zh:MediaWiki:Gadget-large-font.css|gadget]] that increases the font size for a better Chinese reading experience. Japanese and classical Chinese Wikipedia also have such kinds of gadgets. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 08:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

:It would be nice if we could integrate these gadgets into new Vector skin directly. This would benefit other CJK and multilingual wikis. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 08:20, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]]! @[[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] FYI :) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I think we should create a phabricator ticket for this one. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback regarding Vector (2022) TOC ==

I've had Vector (2022) enabled for a while, and generally like it. However:

* I don't feel the new way of handling the TOC and side menu is user friendly. It took me a while to notice I could hide the side menu only to raise the TOC up the page, as I assumed it would also hide the TOC since the two are part of the same sidebar. With the side menu visible, I had to scroll much further down than usual to find the TOC on many articles with short lead sections, which undermined the convenience previously provided by the TOC as a way to skip scrolling and quickly navigate to a desired section.
** It also doesn't help that the [[w:Template_talk:Skip_to_talk#Broken_functionality_with_new_version_of_vector_theme|new TOC breaks the functionality of]] {{tl|Skip to talk}}, widely used on talk pages on Wikipedia, but I now understand that the change is intended to make that template unnecessary.
** The prototype [https://di-visual-design-menus.web.app/Brown_bear linked by others above] deals with some of these issues but is still a bit confusing. It's not clear that clicking "hide" on the TOC should result in a menu appearing by the article title rather than just collapsing it like collapsible lists which use the same "[hide]" links; while this behaviour can be learned, it's not clear why the hidden TOC menu button doesn't persist between the search icon and article title when scrolling down, which is what I expected after seeing it collapse to a button beside the article title.

* The new sidebar is wider to accommodate the TOC, but much of that space is blank so I'm not sure it needs to be quite so wide, particularly as the added width can cause issues such as galleries by default having less space for images per row. I understand the motivation is to limit the characters of text per line, but doing so by padding the sidebar with empty space seems like an unhelpful way to achieve that. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 16:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the watch/unwatch buttons? ==
Alright, if the article is long enough to be scrolled, I should scroll it down, the top row of icons will jerk left-right, and the "watchlist" icon will become the "watch/unwatch" toggle. Hopelessly inconvenient, counterintuitive, but it works. But what if the article is so short that it won't scroll at all? [https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D0%A6%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8&oldid=123611287 example] Seems like "preferences/watchlist/edit raw watchlist" is the only go-around, is it not? [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 12:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]]: There's a smaller star-shaped watch/unwatch toggle to the right of the "View history"/"История" link. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 14:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:: Thanks, that was most unexpected. I'd rather prefer old good text links. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 15:59, 27 June 2022 (UTC) The new star looks almost exactly like the existing GA star, just a different shade of grey (but in almost the same corner location as in standard monobook). [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 16:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:"Thanks, that was most unexpected. I'd rather prefer old good text links" - you're a Monobook user, am I right? This may be a good reason why it's most unexpected for you. Vector 2022 is based on Vector legacy (2010), and the star icon has been there for 12 years. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 01:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Merge notification block in the header: notifications and alerts ==
{{Tracked|T142981}}
For me, it has always been a strange decision that notifications were divided into two unrelated blocks and icons with incomprehensible categorization. I forgot about it, but now I'm paying attention again.

Given that we removed the text from all menus, there are now a lot of icons at the top that do not understand what they do. Different blocks of notifications do not help this at all. Maybe it's time to put them in one menu and break it there already? Filters, tabs, whatever :) But at least you won't get confused in the icons.

I personally still (6 years!) do not know what their fundamental difference is. I asked my friends and they don't know either. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 17:29, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{Strong oppose}}. The notices are the notifications that are not very important/urgent, unlike the alerts. Merging them would make me unable to found out at a glance if I have any important/urgent notification, and would also overload the notification box, as I receive many notifications. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 22:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:: It seems to me that it is possible to do this with filters and colored marker icons. Or a separate setting for users who really need it. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 09:47, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{Comment}}. I agree that the distinction could be clearer, but don't necessarily agree that there should be only one button. Presently, when both are empty the only difference between them is the header text and icon. Both share the exact same two buttons, which link to the same destinations. The text in the box doesn't even distinguish, reading "There are no notifications" instead of "There are no alerts". There isn't even a "help" or "about" link unique to each of them to explain the difference or what gets sent where. If you follow the links to the special page or preferences, it's still not clear which notifications are sent where.

:Based on the names, I would've assumed the difference would be that alerts are specifically for subscriptions to [[Wikipedia:Article alerts|article alerts]], whereas notifications would be for everything else. It makes sense to split them, since alerts would be activity that's less personal to the receiver. "Alerts" would be like a daily newspaper, but "notifications" are more like personal mail. Except this isn't how the system actually functions; messages to the receiver's talk page are placed under "Alerts" rather "Notices", for example.

:I understand that it may be helpful to filter urgent notifications from less urgent ones, but what counts as urgent or important? Shouldn't that be decided by the user's preferences? It would make more sense to have something like tabs, as Iniquity suggested, to filter types of notifications; this would let that user decide what is important. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 22:33, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of contents: Bold format for active section ==

I really appreciate the new skin and layout. In the beta, the active/current section of the article was formatted bold in the table of contents on the left side. But in the live version, it's regular and black. I find it really, really hard to differentiate between the normal blue titles and the active title, because the only difference is the black vs. blue color. Could you please make the active titles bold again?
Thank you! [[User:Lhennen|Lhennen]] ([[User talk:Lhennen|talk]]) 21:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:+1 Bold and black would be best imo. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lhennen|Lhennen]], @[[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] - thank you for your feedback! Not sure if you've seen, but we are currently in the middle of testing some [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing|prototypes]] related to this question. You're welcome to give us more detailed feedback on the prototype page. One of the things we're testing on these is the way links should appear within the table of contents (see https://di-visual-design-toc-active.web.app/Otter) for an example. Currently, our feedback is showing us that people are leaning towards option 2: bold and black so we will most likely be continuing with that option and making the titles bold. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

== Jawiki has NOT reached consensus on implementing Vector 2022 yet ==

Jawiki has '''NOT''' reached consensus on implementing Vector 2022 yet. Why was it implemented without our consent? [[User:AppleRingo777|AppleRingo777]] ([[User talk:AppleRingo777|talk]]) 22:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:AppleRingo777|AppleRingo777]] - we apologize for the confusion that the deployment process has caused and the lack of clarity from our side. We are currently working on reading back through our previous communications and clarifying the process and what happened with individual members of the community. We will to get back to the community with more detailed thoughts and a process for next steps by tomorrow July 1st. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 12:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] ==

Hello! I asked a question at the meeting, but I would like to duplicate it here. Will it be possible to control the location of blocks (right or left) through [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]? [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 15:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keep the TOC under the main menu as long as possible (Vector 2022) ==

When the window gets narrower the TOC is moved into a "Hamburger button". But the main menu stays where it is until the window get's quite a bit more narrower. I think as long as the main menu fits, the TOC should stay at its original place. Especially since the TOC behind the "Hamburger button" is quite easy to miss. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== "Move" is the only in the "More" drop down menu (Vector 2022) ==

I think it's quite odd that the "More" drop down menu most of the time contains only "move". Is it on purpose to make it harder to find for the average user? [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
* {{ping|L.xschlag}}, I have two items - the other is an add-on via preferences/gadgets. Unfortunately, I cannot use drop-down menues easily, so getting there in V-2022 is quite a nuisance. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Actions menu overflows when main menu is active (Vector 2022) ==

When the main menu is active (meaning visible) and the window is quite narrow the actions menu (Read, Edit source, Add topic, View history) doesn't get condensed in the "More" drop down menu, resulting in a very ugly overflow. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:41, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== Audio player issues (Vector 2022) ==

When pressing play from a wikipedia article (e.g. first clip in [[:w:en:Aftermath_(Rolling_Stones_album)]]), the page changes text colour from black to pale grey. Almost unreadable. This dead time varies from a few seconds to many minutes, probably caused by unsteady connection on my side. I tried opening 2-3-4... windows with the same article, and some windows seem to be stuck indefinitely while others play with minimal (but still annoying) delay. If I press play directly from file description page ( [[:w:en:File:Under_My_Thumb.ogg]]), it always plays instantly and the text always stays black. Win 10 Home / Chrome 102.0.5005.115 (64-bit) [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 19:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Language mix in the interface ==

Pardon me if this had already been discussed here. It seems that the language of the interface (as set in preferences) mixes up with local-language elements where it shouldn't.
# My preferences are always "interface=en", and thus I always see "Contents Beginning" in the TOC section - be it Chinese, Russian or Spanish wiki.
# The pink box above TOC in ru-wiki says "On this Википедия[sic!] the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Go to top." In zh-wiki, however, the message is correctly "On this Wikipedia the language links ..." [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the categories? ==
Hi this is my first time looking at the prototype, so apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere - where are the categories? [[User:MassiveEartha|MassiveEartha]] ([[User talk:MassiveEartha|talk]]) 04:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== 開発者集団は日本語版を軽視していると思われるThe group of developers seems to downplay the Japanese version ==

日本語版の利用者の一人としては、開発者の集団は日本語版を軽視していると考える。一つの証拠として開発者からの意見を求めるメッセージが英語だけで書かれていたことを挙げておく。機械翻訳があるのだから英語と共に日本語を添えることは簡単なことのはずである。それすらせずにVectorからVector2022への変更を強行したことは、一種の文化帝国主義であると評さざるを得ない。As one of the users of the Japanese version, I think that the group of developers disregards the Japanese version. One proof is that the message for the developer's opinion was written in English only. Since there is machine translation, it should be easy to add Japanese along with English. It must be said that forcing the change from Vector to Vector 2022 without doing so is a kind of cultural imperialism.--[[Special:Contributions/27.85.205.84|27.85.205.84]] 07:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== Vector 2022を強要する行為は、開発者が読者を軽視していることの証拠である The act of forcing Vector 2022 is evidence that developers are downplaying their readers. ==

開発者（の集団）はアカウントユーザーなら自分で好きなスキンを使えるのだから、あまり出来がよいとは言えないVector 2022を強要してっもかまわないと考えているようである。しかし、元々Vector 2022は読者として快適に使えることを考慮していない。開発者（の集団）は読者がいなければいくら記事を作っても意味がないということを忘れているのだろうか。It seems that developers (a group of people) are willing to force Vector 2022, which is not very good, because account users can use their favorite skins. However, originally Vector 2022 did not consider it to be comfortable to use as a reader. Do developers (groups) forget that it doesn't make sense to write an article without a reader?--[[Special:Contributions/27.85.205.84|27.85.205.84]] 07:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== Listed coordinates overlapping with header weirdly ==

for an example of this, see wp's [[:en:London|london]] article ([https://imgur.com/a/rEngM3R screenshot]) [[User:LarstonMarston|LarstonMarston]] ([[User talk:LarstonMarston|talk]]) 20:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements

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== Where is the TOC? ==
People here are complaining about it. I don't even get one! [[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]] ([[User talk:Betaneptune|talk]]) 17:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]]. Do you still have this problem? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi ! I have the same problem on the French version of Wikipedia. The TOC just disappeared. The problem appears in Firefox desktop (last version 101.0.1), even in "troubleshoot" mode with all my add-ons deactivated. However, the problem does not appear in Chrome. This is extremely confusing. I reported it on some discussion page on the french version of WP, but I also mention it here, as I'm not sure at all where to report the problem for it to be taken into account. [[Special:Contributions/85.169.195.108|85.169.195.108]] 17:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
: The TOC is now on the left side, but after other menu lists. It should probably come first. But to keep things accessible, the (hidden) "jump to main menu" link should be kept as first element of course. [[User:Psychoslave|Psychoslave]] ([[User talk:Psychoslave|talk]]) 15:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
::Agreed. The TOC ''really'' should come first. The {{mono|#mw-navigation}} menu (which currently appears first) is comprised of mostly ancillary links unrelated to the page's content, many of which are rarely used (e.g., ''"Download as PDF"'', ''"Create a book"'', ''"Permanent link"'', etc). [[User:OmenBreeze|OmenBreeze]] ([[User talk:OmenBreeze|talk]]) 00:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Too narrow (again) ==

Why waste all that space? I have a nice wide screen so I want to take advantage of it. Those who want to have it narrow can just reduce their window sizes? Overall, not a great look. Not exciting. Quite boring.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] ([[User talk:Xania|talk]]) 11:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Xania|Xania]], you can read about our [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features/Limiting_content_width#Goals_and_motivation|goals and motivation]] for limiting the width. Also, we are working on a solution to use the empty space. Could you take a look at [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing/it|our fourth prototype]] and write more on what you think about arranging the space as it is presented there? Thank you in advance! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 14:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Oh my dear God, why don't you give an option to unrestrict the width?? It's beyond ridiculous how absolutely tiny is the page content on my monitor horizontally! I have to scroll all the time to read! Don't ruin Wikipedia the same way Fandom was ruined! [[Special:Contributions/90.188.46.13|90.188.46.13]] 04:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::We have given this option. This can be done with the [[:en:User:Jdlrobson/vector-max-width-toggle.js|gadget one of our engineers made]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 03:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks, but maybe we should have an easy plug-in system for ordinary users or, at least, the instructions how to apply it and a place where to find those customisations. By default it is really narrow to read and it feels like a news site rather than an encyclopedia article. [[User:Krnl0138|Krnl0138]] ([[User talk:Krnl0138|talk]]) 09:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::I agree, the toggle option should be there by default! By the way, that script does not work well currently, so I [[:en:User:Arthurfragoso/vector-max-width-toggle.js|updated it here]]. — [[User:Arthurfragoso|Arthurfragoso]] ([[User talk:Arthurfragoso|talk]]) 13:28, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::I don't understand why you are still pushing on us that bad design choice. It still is time to pull the plug and start to work on a plain page design. You are convincing no one here. Please, please, really, please stop this nonsense. Forcing bad choices on your users because you are the only product on the market is never a good thing.
::Since it has been forced without asking anyone on the French Wikipedia I had to register just to come back to the normal and good design. That's something, as a simple reader, I should never have had to do in the first place.
::So one last time, please come back to reason and stop hurting your user base foolishly. [[User:DerpFox|DerpFox]] ([[User talk:DerpFox|talk]]) 21:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Hello @[[User:DerpFox|DerpFox]], thanks for your comment. Have you maybe followed the links I've shared in my answer to Xania? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 03:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::The lines in the fourth prototype seem to be slightly wider to me on 1080p display than in the current version of 2022 vector design, but those empty strips on the sides, each of which are almost the size of the old navigation mv-panel, constantly remind about the space wasted.
::If the only reason of this thinning is the recommended line lengths in symbols and you want to keep it for any price, I would suggest using a dynamic font size, so, for example, starting from some resolution the symbols just grow larger. This might also reduce the eye strain connected to focusing on the small text.
::[[User:Kageneko|Kageneko]] ([[User talk:Kageneko|talk]]) 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
::I had a browse over the reasons for the change, but I still don't like or agree with the main justification more or less boiling down to "everyone else is doing it so we should too". Even in the linked examples, the page still feels a lot more "full" despite having a dedicated deadspace on the site, due to the way the page has been very carefully designed in a mixture of different kinds of block contents (images, text interactive eliments, etc).
::Accepted Webpage standards used to be against having blank, unused and waisted deadspace, but at some point in the last 10 years there seems to have been a weird shift to the opposite where deadspace is all the rage, though it's not one I've personally ever liked or agreed with.
::While I'm sure there are good uses of limiting page width, I'm not sure if Wikipedia, being a site that is mainly made up of text would really benefit from it as it's likely just going to squash pages and increase the amount of vertical scrolling required to navigate. [[User:Dave247|Dave247]] ([[User talk:Dave247|talk]]) 07:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah it's too narrow otherwise. the look is very nice, it's not boring as you tell. [[User:Crater bug|Crater bug]] ([[User talk:Crater bug|talk]]) 15:28, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
:I totally agree! I dislike the vector skin because how small it is. [[User:OverAWallOfMetaKnight|OverAWallOfMetaKnight]] ([[User talk:OverAWallOfMetaKnight|talk]]) 15:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:Agreed. I use a 3440x1440 screen (usually with a tiled layout), and this new layout forces all the content to occupy a comically narrow strip, instead of allowing me to choose the width myself. [[User:Emptyflask|Emptyflask]] ([[User talk:Emptyflask|talk]]) 13:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
:I agree, there is simply too much space wasted that could be used for more article space and a button specifically for those who want to edit wikipedia [[User:Techny3000|Techny3000]] ([[User talk:Techny3000|talk]]) 02:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
:hard to read I'm glad I stayed the same as before No changes required [[Special:Contributions/240B:11:E7E0:5E00:6005:3399:E6C:2B48|240B:11:E7E0:5E00:6005:3399:E6C:2B48]] 14:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

After reviewing the posted defense of the narrowing and the feedback listed here, this feature belongs entirely as an optional setting. It most certainly should not be the website's default. [[User:RightQuark|RightQuark]] ([[User talk:RightQuark|talk]]) 01:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:The defence of the narrowing seems to have little real-world bonuses. It may be theoretically good but makes it bad to read because Wikipedia articles can be long [[User:Torqueing|Torqueing]] ([[User talk:Torqueing|talk]]) 17:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm fine with the text being narrow but the ui and nav bar should be full width. --[[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]] ([[User talk:Thedonquixotic|talk]]) 00:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]], what do you mean by the ui and nav bar? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
::Not sure what is unclear here. I mean the navbar. As in the bar up at the top of the page with use account, search etc. [[User:Thedonquixotic|Thedonquixotic]] ([[User talk:Thedonquixotic|talk]]) 19:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I also have a wide screen monitor. I do not like this forced width shrinkage in the Vector 2022 skin. [[User:OhanaUnited|OhanaUnited]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|Talk page]] 17:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

In current form without a toggle for width this layout is unacceptable on large monitors. Even my old 14'' monitor. For now I am reverting to avoid having in forced horizontal white-space. [[User:Phatom87|phatom87]] ([[User talk:Phatom87|talk]]) 14:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

:Absolutely unacceptable, too narrow, an unjustified waste of space. [[User:Loupeter|Loupeter]] ([[User talk:Loupeter|talk]]) 10:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:It sounds like the fixed-max-width (assuming one's window is wide enough, and regardless of how much wider it might be) is a compromise between the needs of two different types of reading activities. I have both habits (skim vs detail-read), and felt especially the concern that the text doesn't obey what *I* do with my window. A reason I might widen my window is exactly because I want wider content. A comprimse necessarily isn't ideal for either one side. A better solution is to make it easy and discoverable how to get the *best* feel for whatever one is trying to do, rather than forcing so many to have a sub-par experience. A third-party gadget isn't discoverable and is surely more fragile than a first-class toggle feature of the skin itself. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 15:16, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keyboard shortcut does not focus search field in sticky header ==
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When pressing the keyboard shortcut for search (alt + shift + f) the search field at the top of the page is focused, even if the sticky header is showing. It would be better if the search field in the sticky header was focused. As it is now the page will scroll to the top which is unnecessary. [[User:Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)|Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)]] ([[User talk:Sebastian Berlin (WMSE)|talk]]) 16:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

== Page-title and Search ==

In a nutshell, I believe
* the Search would benefit from being (a) more consistently placed, and (b) more accessible from the sticky header by having a larger click-target.
** See image at [[:File:Vector-sticky-header-version1-search-size.png]] (and more [[#Search_box_size_and_location|details above]])
* the Page-title is already visible in multiple locations, and ''might'' not need this additional instance? AFAIK only users with "Fullscreen - F11" enabled would hide the existing locations where it is already displayed, whilst scrolled.
** See image at [[:File:Page_title_repetition_and_cutoff.png]]
Hope that helps! –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 20:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback regarding the new language switcher ==

Hello, I am a French person using Wikipedia in both French and English. I usually decide the language of the article depending on the topic. If it's related to France, I know the French version is going to be better. If it's a general topic, I usually select English.

However, it's been a few months that the language picker has been moved to the top of the screen when an article is display in French. And I really can't get used to it. Sure, it's easy to discover - but it's more complicated to use. Having to click twice is a regression for anyone switching language frequently. An action that used to require half a second now takes 2 seconds. If you do this about ten times every time you browse Wikipedia, it does become irritating...

I hope this feature is not shipped to other languages, and France gets the sidebar back. If you want to make this feature more discoverable, maybe you could add a shortcut but keep the sidebar. Or display a tooltip once in a while to educate newcomers. But please, keep "heavy users" of language switching in consideration. Thanks {{unsigned|77.148.113.166|19:54, 25 January 2022}}
: I'd state this as 'what used to take me a second (finding the right language) now takes 10': Open language switcher, often don't see the language I want, have to search? want to see which languages have a version, have to scroll; don't have a quick way to default present all languages by-alpha. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 16:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
: I have to agree with this as another French person frequently switching languages on Wikipedia and Wiktionary. I should add, in addition to the intrinsic usability of the interface (I do agree it's a slight regression for my usage), the fact that most language editions still use the old interface (and most other sites using mediawiki, and the latter is likely to remain the case for a long time) means you don't actually get the opportunity to unlearn it. So every time I want to switch languages from a French page, I will first scroll down to the old location and waste 1s parsing the sidebar and wondering where the links are. I check out other languages almost every time I read any article and those milliseconds of irritation do add up. Anyway, I strongly think that “don't fix what ain't broke” should apply here! [[Special:Contributions/37.183.2.114|37.183.2.114]] 12:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

: +1 to [[User:Sj|Sj]]. --[[User:ThurnerRupert|ThurnerRupert]] ([[User talk:ThurnerRupert|talk]]) 18:58, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Often I use the language switcher not to navigate to the article on different language, but just to look up how that article is titled in a different language. In other words, using Wikipedia's inter-language links as a sort of dictionary. By hovering over the list of languages I can gather multiple titles, see their similarity between languages. With the New Look, language switcher became less accessible, though gathering titles by hovering still works there.
Also this new dropdown-based language switcher seems either to require tricky CSS features or JavaScript. Will it make problems for simplistic browsers like w3m? [[User:Vi2|_Vi]] ([[User talk:Vi2|talk]]) 17:48, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I find the language switcher the worst of both worlds of the two variants in the old interface. It can be annoying to scroll through 200+ languages in an idiosyncratic ordering (for example, كوردی [Kurdi in Perso-Arabic script] is filed under S for Sorani), but at least I can see them all and preview the name of the article in various target languages. With the drop-down menu in the old interface, I get the languages grouped geographically, and I can also search for a specific language, with the system recognizing many name variations. The new interface gives me a drop down menu with all 200+ languages in the same idiosyncratic order, with no geographic grouping and no ability to search for a specific language. [[User:LincMad|LincMad]] ([[User talk:LincMad|talk]]) 22:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on ToC functionality ==

Hello,

I’m not sure how far you are in the development of the new table of content functionality, but I was looking at [https://en-toc.wmcloud.org/wiki/Moon this prototype] and noticed a potential problem. Here the ToC is on the side and that’s a good thing, but the ToC in the text have also been deleted and that’s not much a good thing. When there is a big infobox, the in-text ToC compensate partly or totally for it, hence the page arrangement take it into consideration for the position of the images. Now if you delete it, all the text will go up, along with the images, but the images can’t always follow, because the infobox, so the right-aligned images are going to pile under it, while the left-aligned will reduce the text to a very small column between them and the infobox. On fr:wp, infoboxes are very widely used, so deleting the in-text ToC is going to break the page layout of most articles (and rather probably upset the community). So I’d suggest that, whatever you do with the ToC, to not delete the in-text ToC until there is also a functionality to move the infobox outside the text too (that would be great by the way, as infoboxes always cause difficulties with page layout). --[[User:Runi Gerardsen|Runi Gerardsen]] ([[User talk:Runi Gerardsen|talk]]) 09:30, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:I would like to add myself as having this same concern about images. At present, image placement in many articles was determined by this factor of the TOC being inline, sometimes offsetting the issues of long infoboxes and allowing the first image in the first section to be right-justified (like anyone with any experience in professional publishing, I ''really'' hate left-justified lead images as they break up the flow of the text by interposing themselves between heds and text. Similarly, I try to maintain alternation in the justification of images since that mirrors the sweep of our vision and makes text with images easier to read (but of course you don't do this when it creates other layout issues).''When'' this is deployed, a lot of articles are going to suddenly have image placement issues at the top that didn't previously. And this will probably make a lot of people ''very angry''.I can see the need for the sticky TOC but I think it would still be better as something that could be toggled there from its current position while reading depending on how the user prefers it in an individual article. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 05:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
::What if we kept both the inline/in-text ToC ''and'' the sticky/sidebar ToC, but only display the latter when the user's scrolled past the former? A user preference could be added that forces the latter to always (or never) be displayed. I agree that the situation with images is a <abbr title="Pain In The Frigging Arse">PITFA</abbr>, but I really don't want to give up the sticky ToC either… [[User:OmenBreeze|OmenBreeze]] ([[User talk:OmenBreeze|talk]]) 00:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but until I manually switched back to "Vector legacy (2010)", then again to "Vector (2022)", ToC section was absent completely (neither new-style nor old-style). Also maybe, like with the language switcher, there should be [temporary] notice about ToC having moved to the left where it was previously? [[User:Vi2|_Vi]] ([[User talk:Vi2|talk]]) 17:57, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on new language switcher in French ==
As a translator, I litteraly jump from one language to another every hour of every day. It is simply unbearable to now have to go to a sub-menu to switch from French to English or Italian. That added click translates (pun intended) into lost time and nerves on a daily basis.

I'm not hostile to a more smartphone-friendly interface, and maybe that kind of switcher is perfect on a little screen. But it's not okay to make the overall experience so much unsteady (especially with the links being there for some languages and moved away for other ones) when

# switching seamlessly from one language to another is precisely the one advantage Wikipedia has over any other encyclopedia and
# my 32" monitor has plenty of space to display these links in the left column.

Last year I had selected the old Vector theme for this very reason and this morning, I was force-switched into the new Vector 2022 theme. So for the second time I'm back on the classic Vector theme and really, really hope it will stick.
[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]] ([[User talk:Herisson26|talk]]) 22:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]]. Thank you for asking here.
:* We've been planning to provide [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features#Language_switching_2:_One-click_access_to_preferred_languages|one-click access to preferred languages]] but it's dependent on the work of another team ([[Wikimedia Language engineering|Language]]). We can't promise anything in terms of the timeline yet.
:* What do you mean by "with the links being there for some languages and moved away for other ones"? You saw the new Vector on some wikis, and the old Vector on some other wikis, didn't you? I think that's related to the next issue.
:* Why you had to switch back again - [https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Caf%C3%A9_dos_programadores&diff=prev&oldid=62956756&diffmode=source here's my explanation]. We're sorry, this was an extremely rare oversight.
:* It's interesting that you write this interface is smartphone-friendly. Many volunteers note this. Out of curiosity, what makes you think that? Is this just about the responsiveness, or something more?
:[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 00:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]],
::* For a translator, direct access to "preferred" languages is not enough. I need the complete list of languages, as it exists on old Vector. My preferred languages would be French, English, Spanish and Italian, but I will regularly read directly a page in Japanese, Portuguese or any other if it's the one that will get me the information I'm looking for (which is quite often the case when dealing with foreign people). So limiting direct access to a select few languages will still break Wikipedia for me.
::* Yes, lots of wikis use old Vector while the French one uses the new ones. It completely breaks the user interface. It is of utmost importance to me that all Wikipedia pages have the same layout, whatever the language. I understand the need to test things, but when you make a public switch that impacts the ergonomics of the site, it should be made across all languages. Maybe make the change per-user instead of per-language if you don't want to switch everyone at once.
::* Nothing to do with responsiveness. Smartphones don't have the physical space to display the language list and the article content at the same time, so having a button on the top of the page to show/hide the language panel makes sense. It does NOT on computers, which have plenty of free space for the left column and the traditional language list.
::[[User:Herisson26|Herisson26]] ([[User talk:Herisson26|talk]]) 08:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Very bad indeed. The French version of Wikipedia, which has put all interwiki language links in a dropdown menu, is most annoying. It is a big waste of time, and not user-friendly at all. To switch to the article in another language, instead of having the whole choice displayed at once and just having to click, one now has to go back up to the right-hand corner of the article, click on the dropdown menu, scroll down the list until the desired language apears, click again... This change is not an improvement. It tends to isolate each linguistic version of Wikipedia, by rendering the language switching much harder. If ever it is useful for smartphones, please change the layout for mobiles only ("m" version of Wikipedia), but not for the desktop version. This cumbersome change should NOT be extended to other Wikipedias, and the French version should revert as soon as possible to a user-friendly layout, such as that of the English language Wikipedia. [[User:Baronnet|Baronnet]] ([[User talk:Baronnet|talk]]) 15:49, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] very cool that you bring one click different language!! would you please include the language team in this discussion here, and provide a link so people can view the progress? --[[User:ThurnerRupert|ThurnerRupert]] ([[User talk:ThurnerRupert|talk]]) 18:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== TOC Feedback ==

I noticed that the newest designs for the table of contents do not allow for it to be collapsed. I think the ability for the TOC to be collapsed is very important, specifically for users that have a touchscreen laptop. I and a friend of mine often use our left hand and our touchscreen to scroll articles because on our laptops it is often easier to scroll quicker than to use the touchpad. If the TOC remained expanded we might accidentally tap a link. A button to collapse it and a preference to expand or collapse it by default would be nice. [[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 20:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]]. Indeed, the first version of the TOC was not possible to be collapsed. This was because the results of user testings (both in-person and on-wiki) didn't indicate that the functionality was important. Now, given the feedback we've collected, we've decided to consider options how to make the TOC collapsible. In this context, what do you think about our [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear newest prototype]? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 13:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] Thank you for responding!

:::Hi, @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], I came to this page to ask whether the ToC can be moved from the sidebar, and really like the prototype. However it seems to be malfunctioning in Safari 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13): https://imgur.com/a/O0Jhti1
:::Thanks. [[User:HughLilly| —Hugh]] ([[User talk:HughLilly|talk]]) 05:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

::My feedback:
::* I really dislike the usage of the bracket type of buttons for <code>[hide]</code> and think a OOUI button or a smaller alernative should be used instead.
::* I like that all of the headers in the TOC are collapsed by-default, however, I think they when you're scrolling inside of a section, they need to expand and collpase as you go through one section to another. I've seen this functionality on other platforms and it allows the reader to understand the outline better when they're viewing the article.
::* The hiding action of the TOC has an inconsistent navigational pattern. UIs should always require the same amount of actions to disable something as to enable something. That always feels the most natural. Hiding the TOC for its default position requires one button press, but to return it back to its previous state requires two. Also, its location next to the title and then how it switches to the upper left to become sticky is really weird too. I don't like either of those locations. I was thinking it could look something like this collapsed and you could press the icon on the right to both collapse and expand it:
::[[File:MediaWiki table of contents collapsed idea.png|frameless]]
::[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 00:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, i just cant find the table of contents, i need it for easier navigation. please, help

== Sticky header in the namespace Project ==

([[:fr:Discussion_utilisateur:Patafisik_(WMF)#En-tête_figé_et_accès_aux_langues|original discussion in French]])

Hi,

a user suggests to add the sticky header in the namespace Project too, not only in [[Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements#Talk_page_and_page_history|Talk pages or History pages]] (see for exemple [[phab:T289641#7365946]] and [[phab:T299115]]). Best regards, [[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 09:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

== Left margin menu pushes down content ==
I normally use Monobook, but happened to get into the new Vector. Odd experience. The search box was absent and I had to scroll down for the content. I now see that you are supposed to click the magnifying glass to get the search box. OK. But the scrolling?

It seems the new Vector tries to guarantee wide enough space for the content. Perhaps that's what people surfing with maximised windows expect, but if you have a narrower window, is that really optimal? To get the left margin menu to the left of the content, I need a window some 1000 px wide. This "minimum" width gives me lines of about 100 characters, while I've heard reading is easiest at 47–72 or something like that. I like to have several windows open in parallel, and a narrower windows makes them fit better.

Anyway, if one's browser window is narrow, for whatever reason, does the empty space to the right of the margin menu really give the best possible experience? Is the 100 char width something that needs to be guaranteed for those planning layout of individual articles? (This experience is with Firefox 91.7.0esr on Debian.)

–[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 20:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

== Questions I shouldn't need to ask ==

I can tell WMF developers put a lot of work into this, but I'm sorry, this isn't cutting it. This latest prototype is Vector in name only. It's a completely different look and a completely different experience.
* Why do I have to click twice to get to my talk/contribs/preferences?
* Don't you think you could have fit those important links if you didn't go overboard on the whitespace or if the search bar wasn't so enormous?
* Is the language switcher really so important that it belongs in the sticky menu?
* I had to think for a few seconds about what the hamburger/star icon was (it's the Watchlist). Why are the icons necessary? I'll answer this one — too much whitespace at the top.
* Why is the new interface such a step down for the editors who will have to use it every day?
* ''And why are you still trying to put a hamburger menu on a desktop site?''

It's not all bad — I do think the max width improves readability. But that was already present on previous less-bad prototypes.

We were promised "improvements" to Vector, and what we're getting is an entirely new (and entirely inferior) skin. If this is really going to still be called Vector, that is highly misleading. The early comments that "total replacement is not an option" don't make a lot of sense now that Wikipedia appears to be getting exactly the top-down redesign I had feared this project would produce. Pigs will fly before this gets deployed to English Wikipedia ''without'' the community getting their pitchforks. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 04:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

: I went into Preferences to turn off the changes and I saw that the software is now treating "vector-2022" as a new skin. This is better than what I thought was going on but maybe there should be a more original name>
: Also, wouldn't it be a much better use of developer time to, say, work on the many unresolved Community Wishlist items? —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 17:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Pythoncoder|Pythoncoder]], thanks for these comments. I'd just like you to know that I'm working on an answer for you and I'll paste it soon. You've asked many important and basic questions (like the one about the Community Wishlist Survey), and I'm truly happy that you've done that. It's much better to clarify the basics. You don't know whether these are clear as long as no one questions it. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 00:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::: {{ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} I should have made it more clear above, but most of my comments are regarding the Fourth Prototype. And now that I read through my earlier comments it makes sense to make the sidebar collapsible in case readers don't want distractions. I believe the sidebar is shown by default so please disregard my complaints in that area. This is why I shouldn't edit when I'm sleep-deprived. I do still think the new skin needs a new name though. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::: Also re: wishlist, I suspect the two projects are probably worked on by completely different dev teams. Again, I'm sorry for the passive-aggressiveness above. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Hello @[[User:Pythoncoder|Pythoncoder]], no worries, I'm really glad you've figured some issues out yourself! Would it be possible for you to state what remains unclear? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::I think it mostly boils down to the amount of whitespace at the top and the hiding of important links such as talk, contribs, and login under a dropdown. I think this should be fixed. —[[User:pythoncoder| pythoncoder ]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

== Sticky header doesn't show the name or the logo of the project: the risk of loss of identity for Wikimedia sister projects ==
([[wikt:fr:Wiktionnaire:Wikidémie/mars_2022#Interface_bureau_%3A_venez_tester_le_quatrième_prototype|From French Wiktionary]])

{{Tracked|T293395}}

"I'm still observing the same problem when using this new skin: if you scroll down the page, it's impossible to know on which Wikimedia project you're on. The sticky header doesn't include the name of the site you are on, which is penalizing users for sharing screenshots, but also for identifying the editorial lines/ editorial policies of the different projects. Sister projects have important specificities. On the French Wiktionary, we already have people complaining that they can't find the content they expect to see on Wikipedia, and we have to tell them that it doesn't belong on the Wiktionary. I'm afraid that the phenomenon will only get worse."-Translated by --[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 13:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

(original message: ''"J’observe toujours le même problème, que je constate au quotidien en utilisant ce nouvel habillage : on ne sait pas sur quel projet on est dès que l’on défile un peu. L’en-tête fixe n’intègre pas le nom du site sur lequel on se trouve, ce qui est pénalisant pour le partage de capture d’écran, mais aussi pour l’identification des lignes éditoriales des différents projets qui ont des spécificités importantes. On a déjà actuellement des gens qui se plaignent de ne pas trouver tel contenu qu’ils s’attendent à voir sur Wikipédia, et à qui on doit répondre que ça n’a pas sa place sur le Wiktionnaire. Je crains que le phénomène ne fasse qu’empirer. [[user:Noé|Noé]] 29 mars 2022 à 12:37 (UTC)"'')

== The "sticky table of contents" is the worst among all the bad changes ==

I am sorry, but this sticky table of contents is such an eyesore, its sole addition might make me quit reading Wikipedia altogether. I'm not exaggerating, a similar update to Liquipedia made me want to avoid that project. It's more than an annoying waste of screen space - it also makes the different parts of the table of contents bold depending on where in the article my screen is, and thus it triggers my OCD, and it simply irritates me. I hate these moving parts in forced mobile designs.

> "The results of our 3rd prototype testing showed an overwhelming support for the proposed table of contents."

Have they? I don't see any discussion here.

> "The new table of contents will be persistent - users will have access to it at all times. It will also make it easier to understand the context of the page."

Are the TikTok memes reality? Excuse me, but I don't randomly forget what page or section I'm reading, thus I don't need a sticky title on my screen at all times.

> "In addition to that, it will be possible to navigate to different parts of the page without having to scroll all the way back to the top."

How is that "need" in any way difficult? It's one button on the keyboard - called ''Home''. Or you hold the slider on the right and jerk it up in a millisecond. But I suspect I know where "scrolling" is an issue - on mobile phones. This entire update in an exercise in transitioning a fine desktop UI from the 2000s which I had an honour to fall in love with in the 2010s to the non-constructive, downgraded, annoying and irritating experience of mobile phones.

Thankfully, not all projects choose to go this way. For an example of a new encyclopaedia with a traditional design, see the immensely popular Korean Namu Wiki. [[User:Adûnâi|Adûnâi]] ([[User talk:Adûnâi|talk]]) 12:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

:100% agree. [[User:Football Lab|Football Lab]] ([[User talk:Football Lab|talk]]) 09:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== some feeback on the layout ==

I really like the preview, it is much cleaner, a few thoughts from viewing this on desktop (I saw the Blue whale article and the Potato article):

# The 'in other projects' section is really nice, however I wonder what would be a sensible heirachy for this. Should it be contextual based on the topic or something else? Currently its suggesting me WikiNews which isn't relevant or a particularly well maintained Wikimedia Project. Also the other projects is more about navigating to other information on that topic, rather than being a tool, I wonder if it should be under the TOC instead? Its more about navigating information on the topic rather than using a tool.
# I'm not sure if this is intended, the images sit on top of the sections instead of being displayed along the side the text, especially for portrait format images this creates a lot of empty space.
# When logged out having the TOC on the left is really nice, works really well. But when I'm logged in the TOC is hidden under half of the tools but then the other half is on the right hand side is quite confusing. I realise this is a really difficult thing to organise, maybe it could live under the TOC? There isn't a clear deliniation between reading and contributing which is confusing.
# The taxonomy templates at the bottom are pretty broken and make long lists, also lists within the Potato article lose their formatting meaning on the page for potato the list of synonyms is one column wide making a very long section which isn't going to useful for a general reader right in the middle of the article. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 18:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

== I hate the new TOC ==

I was directed here from [[phab:T273473]]. That left-of-the-article TOC is a horrible nightmare. I absolutely hate it. I would seriously avoid any website that forced it upon me. Can't scroll it out of sight, can't collapse it, can't disable it, takes up too much space, I hate it I hate it I hate it. This was the reason I switched back to Vector classic on beta cluster. (and if Vector classic gets it too I'll switch to Monobook, Timeless or just murder it with a userscript) I'm not much of a fan of Vector 2022 (but it's not a lost cause, just needs work), but this TOC pushed me over the edge. As a personal note: I rarely use the existing TOC. But I can scroll it out of sight so it doesn't bother me. If the TOC went completely missing tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it. Having this big, (to me) useless thing that contrasts with the main content (it's much darker) permanently in my field of vision greatly annoys me. And because of the fixed position, my banner blindness fails to kick in. This results in pure hatred for something that, on the face it, could seem innocuous. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 16:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:I was not "directed" anywhere, I blundered onto here after finally finding information about this new skin. And let me be clear, APART from the ridiculous handling of the TOC, the new skin is great, precisely BECAUSE, before the TOC-debacle, this skin allowed me to get more of the article on the screen, and allowed me to hide the standard list of menu choices that I only need 0.something % of the time.

:So, please, Please, PLEASE make that TOC hideable! It's perhaps (!) a great default for newbies, but it's a bloody nuisance for us who usually never use the TOC, and if we do, we know where to find it! [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 21:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
::I totally agree. [[Special:Contributions/185.53.157.151|185.53.157.151]] 08:13, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], right, it's not that easy to get here. We'll put link to the project page on the list of available skins in preferences. The task is documented as [[phab:T307113|T307113]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:Hey @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] - thanks for talking to us. It’s good to hear you were using Vector 2022. I hope that you will switch back to it. In terms of the table of contents, you raise good points. A lot has been happening since you wrote your comment, so my answer is longer than it would have been last week.
:* The first version of the design was based on the feedback we got on our previous prototypes from readers and editors (see [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Repository/Sticky Header and Table of Contents User Testing#toc-intro|in-person reader & editor testing]] and [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Third prototype testing|on-wiki community testing]]).
:* That said, we have not yet made the design final. We are working on different ideas for the visual design of the entire site. We'll make the main content of the page be the primary focus of attention, even when other navigational elements (such as the ToC) are present. If you’re interested in following along with that work, most of it will be tracked on [[phab:T301780|T301780]] and in subtasks of that ticket.
:* We are also considering the way the ToC will display at smaller resolutions ([[phab:T306904|T306904]], [[phab:T306660|T306660]]) and looking into some options for collapsing it that could work for wider screens as well.
:* As you can see, people like you who have chosen Vector 2022 individually share a lot of feedback with us now. [[phab:T307004|T307004]], [[phab:T306562|T306562]] are some examples on things we are or will be working on.
:* In the meantime, we will be A/B testing the ToC on the pilot wikis. Our hypothesis is that the ToC will decrease the amount that people have to scroll to the top of the page to switch to a different section. The design might also vary once we have the results of the test.
:* Since these changes might take a little while to reach the beta cluster, we would also encourage technically-skilled folks to set up a script or gadget to make a temporary solution.
:And... yeah, [[Newsletter:Desktop Improvements updates|subscribe to our newsletter]], join our office hours ([[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Updates/Talk to Web|tomorrow]] or [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Participate|later]]) and talk to us more. Thank you! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]], here's another thought: [[wikt:reverse]]. It's not a long page, but that TOC is so bloody huge a full HD display isn't enough to read ''any'' of the actual page content without scrolling. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 01:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Right, right. Let's just take a look at [[:pl:Gramatyka języka fińskiego]]. I mean, this is an edge case, and as such, it's not that critical. From what I know, all TOC sections aren't uncollapsed by default, and you need to make an effort to see the full TOC. Is this your experience, too, @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]]? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::::[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]], sorry for being possibly unclear. It was just a thought about the classic inline TOC which is disproportionally huge on Wiktionary, so it's something to think about when designing a new TOC. On the Gramatyka page on plwiki you at least get the intro without scrolling and the page actually ''is'' very long, so it's understandable the TOC also gets big. I've taken a look at the CSS (should have done that sooner) and simply disabling "position:sticky" stops the new TOC from being so infuriating. IMHO that should be the default, or at the very least, proper research should be done into this. Not only to determine by majority vote what users prefer (I wouldn't be surprised if sticky wins a binary majority vote) but also how crazy either option can drive users who ''don't'' like it. Pleasing a majority is no good if it causes a minority to be greatly aggravated. While I personally can get around it using technical means, that isn't true for most people. I'll also note that the experience on devices that are primarily controlled with a touchscreen may very well be different. With a keyboard, scrolling back up to the TOC is nearly no effort. Just press "home" or hold "page up". With a touchscreen, not so much, so I can see why sticky might have a greater appeal there. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 07:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::What TOC? I don't get any such thing. [[User:Betaneptune|Betaneptune]] ([[User talk:Betaneptune|talk]]) 17:36, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
:100% agree. [[User:Football Lab|Football Lab]] ([[User talk:Football Lab|talk]]) 09:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== Watchlist icon ==

[[User:Schierbecker|Schierbecker]] [[Topic:Wu23w3nlomndp5f1|wrote]]:
<blockquote>The watchlist icon too closely resembles a hamburger menu button. I can see many clicking the button thinking it is a dropdown menu. Some may lose unsaved edits after clicking it.</blockquote>

I completely agree, but not really because it resembles a hamburger button but because it's sandwiched (no pun intended!) between dynamic menus. If there was the dropdown arrow next to the interlangs, alerts and notices buttons just like the personal menu, it would communicate more clearly that the watchlist button is a simple link and not a menu. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 02:38, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks for this comment, @[[User:Nardog|Nardog]]. We'll think how we could improve this. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:55, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

== Sidepanel is bloated ==

Tonight size of left panel is increased too much. It covers more than ¼ screen now.
https://imgur.com/3YJlcii
Can I reduce size of panel, as it was before? [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 21:18, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
: Agreed. I feel there's too much white space padding the left and right of the sidebar. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 00:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] @[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] thank you for these reports. It seems like you may have your browser window zoomed in, is that correct? Also, if you are able to please add any additional thoughts, needs, screenshots, and ideas to this task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306660. [[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AHollender (WMF)|talk]]) 14:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::No, my browser not using zoom. I using personal css with font-size 14pt, but when I login to other account without personal css, the sidepanel still terrible huge.
::https://imgur.com/l8bIrDF [[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]] ([[User talk:Tucvbif|talk]]) 15:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]]: Apologies, I should have clarified. The sidebar here is fine; the one at Wikipedia isn't. Resetting the zoom level on Wikipedia doesn't address the issue; there's still a lot of white space padding the element. I'll leave this discussion and focus on [[#I oppose the new sidebar/TOC]] and the mentioned Phabricator ticket, which describes my issue more accurately. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 15:10, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

::: The ambiguity and confusion evident from the preceding discussion suggests that the interface has become to complex. Aren't the original sidebar and TOC at the top of the page enough? Why change? Is another popup menu necessary to switch language? What about setting language in user preferences? Simplify, simplify, simplify. Regards, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|talk]]) 00:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC limit doesn't work anymore ==

It seems that this "sidebar TOC" has different classes, making [[:en:Template:TOC limit]] doesn't work anymore. [[User:William Surya Permana|William Surya Permana]] ([[User talk:William Surya Permana|talk]]) 07:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Templates can only control the content of an article so [[en:Template:TOC_limit/styles.css]] won't apply outside the article area so new classes won't help here. A magic word would need to be added so support this use case if important and time allows. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 15:37, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

== I oppose the new sidebar/TOC ==

Please make it possible for the users to collapse the left sidebar/TOC or to reduce the white space size. I for one use a browser sidebar (Sidebery) as well as 150% or even bigger text size. Combined with the forced sidebar/TOC, the actual line length becomes much smaller than the recommended length. [[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] ([[User talk:PeterTrompeter|talk]]) 08:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] - thanks for your feedback. We're currently exploring better solutions for the ToC at narrow widths, which include the option of collapsing as well. Check out [[phab:T306660]] for the details and prototypes. It would be great to get your opinion on some of these. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:40, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

::I wonder about one thing: Who on earth thought that having such a monstrosity as that [pejorative snipped] TOC as a PERMANENT part of the skin would be a good idea ? I mean, having it pop up might be a useful thing for newbies (and I find even that a stretch of my imagination), but PERMANENTLY wasting space on a table of contents you consult perhaps once or twice per (long) article ? So KINDLY have it fixed to be hideable/collapsible so that we can get actual article contents on our screens. (One sidenote here: Apart from my blowout here - yes, I am aware that working on these projects is a chore, and despite my invectives here, I AM grateful for your efforts. It's just that this kind of stuff goes so completely against what would be the natural idea here, that I blow my top unnecessarily hard - people generally want to read the TEXT of the articles, so when a new skin development deliberately wastes space on the table of contents - ????? ) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 16:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Hey @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], we test all of the proposed changes. Editors and readers were strongly in support of this change. More details here: [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Table of contents]]. Cheers, [[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AHollender (WMF)|talk]]) 17:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::::My question stands: Why having it there PERMANENTLY ??? Ok, I find something that's relevant for me to read; usually, I then want to READ just that; not the thread that led me there... So, why PERMANENTLY ??? [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 17:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

== Public and private views... ==

While thinking about this, I was struck with what appears to me to be a central point of division here: This is not a question of how THE user interface should look like; but, rather, it is a question of what we should look like to anonymous users, and what choices should be available to those of us who log in ? Does that differentiation make sense ? (I should mention that I'm coming to this from Wikipedia, and that I have very little experience with the other projects.) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 19:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

:Yeah @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], this makes sense. With the caveat that I don't know what central point of division you are referring to :D
:At the moment, except for gadgets and such little tweaks, we aren't able to offer different interfaces for logged-out and logged-in users. Also, we can't make it possible to easily switch between different settings like dark/light mode, contrast versions, font sizes, etc. We need to improve the basics of the viewing/reading experience, we can do ''that'', so we're doing it.
:As a result, readers use our interface more comfortably, we check that with regular A/B tests. As for the most dedicated editors, they can/should:
:# Help us build an interface useful to them (by giving feedback on the prototypes, on the changing interface on "pilot wikis", by adjusting gadgets, etc.)
:# Accept the arguments about the results of user testing, A/B testing, community feedback...
:# Accept the "final" version as the basic version, and
:# Configure it further if they want.
:Our team would like to work the interface deeper. We would like to make it more modular and adjustable. (Of course, content would stay objectively the same for all.) A few months ago, we started working with more closely [[Growth]] and [[Editing]]. Now we're checking how ambitious we can be.
:Does that answer your question? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:26, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
::My way of thinking here, is that the main divider here is between what should be visible and available to those who are NOT logged in, and what should be available and possible for those who DO log in. This is because the big difference between the two groups, is that those who are logged in, are also able to seek detailed information and make informed choices (and possibly programmed adaptations), whereas the non-logged in can not be trusted to have any particular information about the system, do not have a way of communicating preferences, and therefore needs to be given visual cues as to what's possible and available, precisely because they are strangers here... (Sidenote: I am of the Wikipedia, and that is the project I write in relation to; each project will have some peculiarities that do not apply to the other (to the same degree, at least); for this reason I should remember to mention this.)
::
::I hope what I'm writing here makes some sense, I try to avoid giving specific "orders" to anyone, but rather contribute to clarifying the context so that I understand it; hopefully, what I then write makes sense to others as well... (About here my subconscious can be heard muttering "and if pigs could fly"...) [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 13:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== "Beginning" is confusing ==

More feedback: when I was at [[w:Gotcha journalism]] just now, I became confused because there appeared to be a section titled "beginning", which I assumed covered the early history of the term. It took me a minute to figure out that that wasn't referring to a section but rather a way to scroll to the top of the page. Many other articles are going to have a similar problem, since we often begin with history sections that might reasonably be titled "Beginning" for early history. {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 22:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Sdkb|Sdkb]] - good catch! This is something we discussed quite a bit internally in order to finally settle on beginning, although I agree that it's still imperfect. Previously we were using "introduction". The issue there was that many articles have "introduction" as the name of their first section, causing duplication. Other options we were considering were location-based (back to top, beginning of page, etc). We are welcome to ideas on how to make this clearer. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 09:05, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::The name used by wikipedians? ''Lead section'' in English, ''résumé introductif'' in French, etc ([[d:Q10966628|Q10966628]]) [[User:Pyb|Pyb]] ([[User talk:Pyb|talk]]) 11:07, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:::On Translatewiki.net I found "Début" for fr.wiki and "Inizio" for it.wiki (on it.wiki we use also "Incipit" or "Introduzione", see [[phab:T306990]]). [[User:Patafisik|Patafisik]] ([[User talk:Patafisik|talk]]) 15:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::::@[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]], did you consider different design approaches in addition to different names? If the word had been accompanied by something like [[File:Font Awesome 5 solid caret-up.svg|16px]], it might have been a lot clearer. I also think there's some benefit to matching the terminology we already use as editors ("lead section" or "introduction"), since that makes it easier for newcomers. The Wikipedia articles that currently have "Introduction" as their first named section should not—they should be tagged with [[w:Template:Overview section]]. {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 20:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::I think using the article title would make the most sense, as the title is the uppermost heading in the article. That way the header that the reader arrives at always matches the one they've clicked on. (I'm sure "Beginning" is better than "Introduction," but it's not unheard of as a section title either: e.g. [[w:Creolization|Creolization]], [[w:Ashikaga shogunate|Ashikaga shogunate]], [[w:History of Carthage|History of Carthage]]. Is there any way to determine how often it's used?) [[User:Arms & Hearts|Arms & Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms & Hearts|talk]]) 19:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I think "Top" would be less confusing and generally make more sense as that seems to be the common English term for the top of the page. [[Special:Contributions/132.170.199.112|132.170.199.112]] 19:32, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of contents below sidebar just doesn't work ==

On a broader note than the two pieces of feedback above, I have to say that my experience so far with the new table of contents has been really frustrating. As an editor, I use lots of the links in the left sidebar quite frequently, so I don't want to collapse it (and even if I did, the way it persists in whatever state you leave it in means that every time I used it it'd return). But preserving the left sidebar forces the table of contents below it, which is just awful. The number one time I want to use the ToC is when I first navigate to an article, and I either want to jump to a specific section or just to see what sections it has to get an overview. Forcing me to scroll to get to that information is extremely annoying, and if it's kept in the final version, I predict the outcry will be intense. You could resolve this either by retaining the old style ToC alongside the new (which would also solve the [[w:MOS:SANDWICH|sandwiching]] concerns I've previously raised) or by moving the ToC above the left sidebar. From your previews, I know you've been working on moving some stuff around and introducing pinning, so I hope this will be resolved in future iterations. But the initial version being introduced here is clearly not ready yet. Best, {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 22:53, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
: For me it seems the table of contents and the sidebar seems to be two different things. On Wikipedia, I collapsed the sidebar and the table of contents still remain. [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 03:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
::I want ToC collapsed too. But there is no way to do it. It uses almost 1/3 of my screen and makes reading very difficult.- [[User:Nizil Shah|Nizil Shah]] ([[User talk:Nizil Shah|talk]]) 05:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Same here. 14" Screen, collapsed sidebar menu, open only when needed. With the new TOC I cannot collapse the sidebar, it's just a toggle between navbar and TOC. I appreciate the effort and that it's a first attempt, but it definitely should be optional. And yes, I was involved in feedbacks and testing earlier. Regards [[User:Elya|Elya]] ([[User talk:Elya|talk]]) 14:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

:::: +1, the TOC should be accessible from the top of the page, and collapsible (vertically; also horiz if it is making the sidebar too wide - many pages have section heads that are quite long). [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 17:35, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

== About Google Docs and Zoom ==

{{Ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} Thank you for the invitation I received for tomorrow's videcall since I was an interface admin and a developer! but sadly I cannot participate since I don't use Google Docs or Zoom for security reasons (partially related: [https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-senate-german-government-tell-staff-not-to-use-zoom/] [https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.html]).

I don't know if it could be useful but maybe in the future you may consider to land the doc on the wiki itself, or using Etherpad [https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/] when realtime is needed.

To drop Zoom, maybe I can propose Jitsi Meeting [https://meet.jit.si/] that is gratis and libre and supports streaming on social network to support large audience. (Also [[Wikimedia Meet]] deserves a try and some feedback). [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 15:38, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]]. I understand your concerns and thank you for the language you use. I do appreciate that. As you may have realized, it isn't without a reason why we use these particular tools/platforms.
:# Google Docs are used by the Foundation as the default tool for making internal notes and docs. We might, for the purposes of the office hours, replace it with Etherpad. There's a problem with the translations, though. Asking translators to update just one word, and waiting until they've done that, could be troublesome. This is why I can only commit to replace this if we make more changes to the announcement. (By the way, the announcement is [[Template:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Office hours announcement|fully standardized]] and translated into 16 languages, some of which use declination or are not written in the Latin script.)
:# We need our office hours to be technically (platform-wise) predictable. Although Jitsi is open source and Zoom is not, the latter is more effective. It has been widely used for online meetings in the movement. It's been used by the WMF for office hours with the CEO, Maryana; it's been used by affiliates. There are hundreds of Wikimedians who at least once have participated in a Wikimedia meeting on Zoom. We know how to provide live translations there. Jitsi, on the other hand, is less popular, and we'd have to learn how to support live translations, including more trainings organized specifically for our meetings.
:# We may consider having office hours on IRC. Frankly, I have a feeling that since the migration from Freenode, IRC has been more and more marginalized, but we could give it a try.
:I'm curious what other Wikimedians watching this page think. Add your comments! [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::Just asking for an understanding that Google Form and Zoom are a bug, not a feature, to participate in a Wikimedia project. A bug that deserves a long-term fix. [[User:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio Bozzolan]] ([[User talk:Valerio Bozzolan|talk]]) 15:57, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
::: I appreciate these are standard across parts of the Foundation. And agree w/ [[user:Valerio Bozzolan|Valerio]] this is a bug, not a feature. Perhaps it's time to revisit this across the org. :) We should be using tools that can be constantly used and deployed by communities for events, workshops, office hours, talks without sending traffic through commercial servers.
::: ''Text'': Google makes some very wiki-spirited tools (they did absorb JotSpot back in 2006) so it's stayed around for a while. But we simply must stop using it as a crutch that keeps us from using and being delighted by notetaking on our own platform. Our collaborative platform for drafting and discussing documents. Our versioned, searchable platform.
::: ''Video'': I too have to use Zoom sometime, but I'm always surprised and a bit dismayed when a Wikimedia meeting uses it! Jitsi is stable, widely used + repackaged, easily modded and forked, and we host a [https://meet.wmcloud.org/ lovely instance] on the WM cloud. [We also regularly use BigBlueButton for larger audiences.] It makes it easy to name a persistent rooms, embed it it in other places or tools (see Jitsi-as-a-service + [[w:Brave Talk|Brave Talk]] these days), &c. We should be thinking about how to better use video streams in our projects, and using this framework as we do so. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 12:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], I will not participate in any forum that is not public. Why the wmf foundation wants to share information via Zoom, a for-profit corporation which provides no guarantee of privacy, is anyone's guess. We have been using wiki-code for discussion since 2001, why this change?
::I apologize if you find my message above irrespecutful, but this represents the views of many. [[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|talk]]) 18:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Instant jumping vs. animated scrolling for table of contents ==

As you're polishing up the table of contents, one thing it'd be nice to consider is the behavior when you click on a section in it. Currently, it instantly jumps to that section, but I think it'd be better if it instead did a very quick scroll (maybe a quarter of a second). This would help readers to more easily understand what's happening when they click the link, and to get a better intuitive sense of what the article contains by seeing it flash by. Would that be possible? {{u|[[User:Sdkb|'''Sdkb''']]}} [[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']] 02:37, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

== Wide-column + Multi-column options for large screens ==

Readers vary in what form factor they prefer, especially for long-form high-volume reading. That's part of why this change and research into 'optimal layout' is controversial. I'm someone who finds it hard and slow to read a narrow column and have to scroll all the time, including when searching a page for a term. General feedback on width:

# Include a comfortable default for large screens. The (potentially large) gray margins on left and right, outside large white margins, bracketing a forced-maxwidth central column, do not feel good. Wide-col or multi-col could work.
# Offer an explicit wide-column pref that doesn't require people to change skins, even if that is less aggressively supported/tested across all platforms.
# A multi-column design for text within sections – mimicking the style of most long-form magazines and scholarly journals – would be interesting and can be surpassingly beautiful. That's what I'd like to see our wide-screen layouts transition to. We already do this within sections for references, lists, and galleries.

Even low-end desktop monitors these days are high enough resolution to support two-column layouts. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 18:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

== I think sticky elements ruin Vector ==

I liked vector a lot more when it didn't have the new distracting elements (sticky header and sticky TOC). ''I care about the contents of the page, not the interface'', nor about the need to scroll to the top of the page every now and then. [[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] ([[User talk:Tokujin|talk]]) 17:50, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]]. Congratulations for finding this page :D You can add <code>.vector-sticky-header {display:none;}</code> to your [[metawiki:Special:MyPage/global.css|global.css]]. For now, I'm not entirely sure what to advise about the TOC, though. When the collapsible version has been deployed, we'll know what code you should use to make it not sticky and keep some other version. I invite you to revisit this topic in 2-3 weeks.
:By the way, I very much liked the first sentence of [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=5009784 your comment to the third prototype]. Have you seen the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing|fourth one]]? I encourage you to follow the instructions and share your opinion about it, too. (BTW, compare it with [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear the newest version, also a prototype].) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:28, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
::Hi Szymon :-) [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Fourth_prototype_testing/Feedback#Username%3ATokujin|Done]], thank you. Regarding the global.css setting, notice that with sticky table headers enabled (in Preferences > Gadgets > Testing and development) there's a bug whereby in tables such as those in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disenchantment_episodes#Part_4_(2022) this page] the table header leaves space for the absent page header. Other tables, such as that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-nine%20Novels here], don't have this issue. [[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] ([[User talk:Tokujin|talk]]). 07:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Skin differences between wikis ==

I'm using the 2022 Vector skin globally now (with [[:m:User:Tol/global.css|some modifications]] to remove whitespace), but I'm noticing that some wikis' sidebars are different from others. For example, MediaWiki wiki (this wiki) and French Wikipedia have a thinner white-background sidebar which sits on top of the page body (and ToC in the page body), while Meta-Wiki, Wikidata, and English Wikipedia have a wider grey-background box which is not layered on top of the page body (and ToC beneath said box). I can't figure out why this is. [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 00:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Tol|Tol]] - thanks for your question, and good catch! This is due to the table of contents still needing to being A/B tested on some wikis (frwiki and mediawiki wiki being two of these). The ToC functionality is not yet available there. That said, we've began some work on reducing the margins for the ToC as a whole ([[phab:T307004]]) that will make the differences in width fairly negligible. This change will be on all wikis next week. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]]: Ah; looks great! I look forward to that change rolling out. Thanks! [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 14:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Tool bars and tables ==

Hi, thanks for the update. A few observations:
# I would suggest that users have the option to keep the tool bar on the sidebar from the beginning, instead of having to click "tools" -> "[move to sidebar]" every single time.
# The readability of tables and graphs that are wider than the (quite tight) text column is an issue. In certain cases, the tables represent time series data (e.g. population in a country or municipality over time) that cannot just be tightened. Do you have a proposal to solve this issue? The NYT, which is a site that you explicitly mention as inspiration, lets tables and images occupy the whole width of the screen if necessary.
[[User:GeneraleAutunno|GeneraleAutunno]] ([[User talk:GeneraleAutunno|talk]]) 20:39, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

== Next steps for the Table of Contents ==
Hey all - thank you for all the feedback around the issues you were experiencing with the ToC, especially on narrow screens. We've taken a few steps to fix some of these issues:
* We're reducing the margins of the ToC to more closely resemble those of the prototype (tracked in [[phab:T307004]])
* We have a temporary solution for the ToC at narrow widths, which removes the ToC alltogether
* We are building functionality to allow for the ToC to be collapsible and expandable at narrow widths (tracked in [[phab:T306660]])
* We are planning on making the ToC collapsible at all screen sizes and widths (tracked in [[phab:T307901]])
* https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear links to a prototype that puts all of these changes together.
We would appreciate your feedback and thoughts on the decisions made within the prototype and whether they work for you. Thanks! [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:cc @[[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]], @[[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]], @[[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]], @[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]], @[[User:Tucvbif|Tucvbif]], @[[User:Tokujin|Tokujin]] - in case you're interested. Apologies if I'm forgetting anyone else that was asking about this! [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:46, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva]], thank you, it's a solid improvement! Just one request: can the hiding/unhiding be made persistent so my choice remains in effect even if I navigate to another page? [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 12:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you, that's good news! (Adding a clarification: I'm responding to OVasileva, here.) My thinking is that making it collapsible is the only reasonable way to go; with the added point that for newcomers and anonymous readers it should perhaps be turned "on" as default; if the collapse button is clearly visible, the TOC will be useful to some, and easily removable for the rest, which should be the useful level of the intrusive/invisible conundrum... Thank you, once again. [[User:Autokefal Dialytiker|Autokefal Dialytiker]] ([[User talk:Autokefal Dialytiker|talk]]) 13:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]]: Thanks for letting me know. Since this seems to be only in effect for the new Vector skin, maybe some work could be done to have the table of contents be shown in focus and have a button on the sticky header, as well as a keyboard shortcut for it? [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] ([[User talk:Tenryuu|talk]]) 14:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks for the work, I like the prototype a lot. I've missed the easily available overview that the ToC provides. Compare to the 2010 design, it is very useful to have the ToC available no matter how far down you scroll.
:On small screens, the "move to sidebar" link text is not accurate with regards to what happens visually when you click on it. [[User:PeterTrompeter|PeterTrompeter]] ([[User talk:PeterTrompeter|talk]]) 16:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
:On narrow screens this is still quite jarring, and having no TOC is a loss, being able to move the TOC back in to the body (dynamically and programmatically) seems a better compromise. A problem I see is that even when there is no TOC on a page, all that space it could use is still being consume by blank space, that wasted horizontal space needs to be able to be reclaimed somehow. We've been testing some options that are aimed at more power desktop '''editors''' so they can use vector-2022, but still have access to most of their screen (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_%C3%9Cber_Alles?useskin=vector-2022&withgadget=wide-vector-2022 example] (will really only be strikingly noticable if you are on a wide screen)) but still are getting complaints about the huge space used by the TOC. [[User:Xaosflux|Xaosflux]] ([[User talk:Xaosflux|talk]]) 11:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== Banners and roadmap ==

Hi, I think you should consider to add banners in order to present the restyling to a much wider part of users. IMO they should link to discussion and presentation pages.
You should also consider to present to the wikis a clear roadmap with dates in order to present ahead of time big changes like the adoption of the new Vector.
This two changes would make you work clearer to the eyes of the users and would prevent some dissatisfactions. In particular I'd like to point out that [[:it:Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/La_nuova_interfaccia_desktop|what is happening on itwiki]] is being perceived as an imposition against the general consensus and I agree with the Italian users that are saying that forcing the adoption of the new skin is not the right way to act. These two are some ideas to widen the discussion, forcing something against the will of most will just radicalize the opposing positions even more. -- [[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 11:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:I just received the good piece of news that the adoption of the new skin has been delayed for itwiki and I thank you for this. But I still think that the two ideas that I presented above would be good tools to prevent something similar to happen again. ----[[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks @[[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]]. These are great suggestions.
:* Banners - [[phab:T304839|T304839]] - we've been working this for some time. Soon, the banner should be visible to some logged-in Vector users. They will be encouraged to switch to the new skin, and some time later, they'll see another banner with a link to this talk page.
:* Links to the project page - [[phab:T307113|T307113]] - our idea was similar. We'll add a link to the list of skins in preferences.
:* Roadmap - that's also a very good point. We'll consider how to present this to the community most effectively.
:* Itwiki - we'll continue this topic on itwiki, alright?
:[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for you consideration! :) And speaking of itwiki of course we will continue the topic right there. -- [[User:WikiLuke|WikiLuke]] ([[User talk:WikiLuke|talk]]) 16:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sticky header 'dead zone' in articles with long lead sections ==
{{tracked|T307345}}
Steps to reproduce:

# Visit an article with at least a moderately long lead section (e.g., [[en:Charles de Gaulle]]).
# Scroll down a little way.
# Observe that the sticky header appears.
# Scroll down a little further, so that the first heading appears, but not much further than that.
# Observe that the sticky header vanishes.
# Scroll down even further.
# Observe that the sticky header re-appears.

This does not seem like intended behaviour. I am testing on Firefox 100. [[User:FrankSpheres|FrankSpheres]] ([[User talk:FrankSpheres|talk]]) 04:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:FrankSpheres|FrankSpheres]] - thank you for your report! We already have a fix for this bug, tracked in [[phab:T307345|T307345]]. It will be available early next week. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 08:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback on new look ==
I like that stuff that is generally rarely used is hidden, such as the language picker.

I am not a fan of moving the table of contents off the main article body section. I didn't even register that the table of contents was there and I frequently use the TOC to get an overview of interesting sections of articles. With the TOC being isolated at the side bar, it seems separated from the article itself, while it should be a central part. Maybe it would work better if it appeared on the right of the article, where there is currently just whitespace?

Speaking of whitespace: I dislike the move to a max-width on article pages. This feature should at the very least be toggle-able with a button (without a need to log in). I feel like it makes the article feel more cramped, with less space for images and figures. There is already a very good solution to setting the effective width in the old view: Simply resize your window or zoom in on your browser. With the new look, I am forced to a max-width and I don't have a solution to control the width like I did before.

Whitespace and the TOC did something beautiful together in the old look actually. The TOC conveniently visually separated the article lead section from the rest of the article by introducing white space, which I personally found very pleasing. The new look has the lead section blend in with the rest of the article. This makes the lead appear more daunting, while its purpose is to serve as a quicker summary. Perhaps the lead section should be followed by a larger piece of whitespace than is normally found above headings, so as to separate the lead from the rest as before?

Finally I am quite sad to see that the Wikipedia globe logo is diminished - I really like the globe with the symbols and it doesn't look very good at low resolutions. I think the size of the globe was perfectly fine before. Besides, it seems there's plenty of space for it to have the same size as before so I'm kind of puzzled why this change was made in the first place.

I will also say that the arrow next to the Wikipedia globe (the one to minimize the side bar) leads to an unfortunate usability flaw. I initially thought the arrow was supposed to take me back to the front page (it is right next to the logo and the leftward direction suggests a "back" action). But that is not what it does at all. So the arrow is kind of confusing at first. --[[User:SorteKanin|SorteKanin]] ([[User talk:SorteKanin|talk]]) 16:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

== When testing the new skin, offer a one-click way to change back ==
The banners inviting users to test the new skin offer a one-click option that updates your skin to new Vector. The banner is then replaced with a message saying "give us feedback!", but it should also offer a one-click way to revert the change. Users may not be familiar with how to undo the change. [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 12:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

:The one-click option to revert is the final item of the sidebar's top section, in bold. Are you suggesting a second method should be included, or that the link should be made more obvious and flashy by moving to the banner?
:The sidebar link seems fine to me. Particularly because this is less about the theme and more ergonomics for migration. [[User:Kees Person|Kees Person]] ([[User talk:Kees Person|talk]]) 15:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

:: I found it eventually, thanks. Yes, putting it in the banner, or putting a js link in the banner that highlighted the sidebar link, would be clearer :) [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 19:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Too little space ==

It's probably fine for those who don't use wide-screen monitors, but as someone who does it is quite annoying having everything mushed together like on mobile. I have read the page on this, but I think there should be a way to keep the functionality of the skin but lengthen the screen. [[User:Lallint|Lallint]] ([[User talk:Lallint|talk]]) 13:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
: I concur. I tried the new skin a couple of times and just could not do it. I have bought a standalone monitor for a reason - and it's not that large anyway (1920 x 1200) - yet the new skin wastes a third of my screen space. [[User:Kashmiri|Kashmiri]] ([[User talk:Kashmiri|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::Actually I use a 13" laptop and I initially thought that my computer switched to mobile version by mistake, but I later realized that was the desktop layout. I think the way everything is squeezed-in together takes away from the experience; there is nothing wrong with the header and tools bar they look fine to me, yet the sizing seems off for desktop users. [[User:Humanized|Humanized]] ([[User talk:Humanized|talk]]) 10:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sidebar too long ==

Sidebar too long and page too small on Wikimedia wikis [[User:LisafBia6531|LisafBia6531]] ([[User talk:LisafBia6531|talk]]) 16:24, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== Do not use a sticky header. ==

I think the new layout makes much better use of whitespace on 16:9 displays, making paragraphs easier to read. However, vertical space is someone no website that serves text-rich pages to users can ever get enough of. I believe that every (non-redundant, e.g. the article name is displayed twice on most browsers in the window tab title and the sticky header) element currently placed on the sticky header would not just fit on the sticky sidebar, but by removing the sticky header the layout will better serve what readers come to a wiki to do.

As a side note though, I am awfully sentimental about the old Wikipedia header logo and type layout, that giant globe and the accompanying text beneath it is far too iconic to change in my opinion, even for a redesign. [[User:Saedes|Saedes]] ([[User talk:Saedes|talk]]) 14:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== Sidebar considerations for vertical monitors/half-width windows ==

I haven't tested this out thoroughly yet, but I'm going to be adding this section to start a discussion on how the new layout uses responsive design when display device/window aspect ratios are greater in height than width. [[User:Saedes|Saedes]] ([[User talk:Saedes|talk]]) 14:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== The table of contents is in the wrong place ==

It's nice to have a table of contents right there on the side so you can move back and forth between sections but i don't like the fact that you have to scroll down a bit to find it. If there's a way to keep it at the top of the page so you see it right as the page loads then as the user scrolls down it changes into a sticky header, that would be better. [[User:Abhaypradjha|Abhaypradjha]] ([[User talk:Abhaypradjha|talk]]) 10:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

== Search bar UX is inefficient (Fitts's law) ==

I want to search.
# If I am at the top of the article, I click mindlessly anywhere on the header and type straight away.
# If I am down the article, I have to pinpoint an icon.

This is bad because
* The inconsistency turns my muscle memory against me
* It goes against [[w:en:Fitts's_law#Implications_for_UI_design|Fitts's law]]: pinpointing an icon requires precision and is slower than clicking a large bar at the border of the screen without giving much thought into it.

A solution would be that clicking on the article title or empty space in the sticky header hides the article title and displays the search bar (empty and focused).

My case is that I often read the documents with the help of Wiktionary, so I use the search bar heavily and my usage pattern is fundamentally different than on Wikipedia. On Wiktionary, the interesting information is on one line or two, for each one of many unrelated entries, so searching is almost exclusively my means of navigation. [[User:Wanlpz|Wanlpz]] ([[User talk:Wanlpz|talk]]) 19:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC: the position of the content ==
Hi, I like your [https://di-collapsible-menus.web.app/Brown_bear last prototype of TOC], in particular the blu color which helps to find a menu when you collapse it.

I notice something I consider a bug: when the TOC is collapsed, if the tools menu is collapsed too the content is in the correct position, but if you move to the sidebar the tools, the content changes his position (it shifts on the left side). It feels strange. It doesn't happens when the TOC is on the sidebar, and you open/collapse the Tools menu.--[[Special:Contributions/151.42.0.114|151.42.0.114]] 13:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

==Sidebar==
The sidebar has extended a bit (and by that, I mean a LOT) too far, which makes things very uncomfortable for me. I'm fine with the skin other than that, but the overintrusive sidebar is just awful. Plus, there are these white extensions to it that shouldn't be there. I hope you understand what I'm talking about, and at least take notes on it! [[User:ARandomPage|ARandomPage]] ([[User talk:ARandomPage|talk]]) 11:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Зробіть для кожного коментатора окремий відділ ==

'''Привіт я досі не можу зрозуміти чому кожен коментатор не може писати окремо це набагато зручніше...'''

'''Новий дизайн набагато простіший в візуальному плані але до нього треба звикати)))'''

'''Також я побачив що новий дизайн не працює в деяких мовах''' [[User:Ilolg|Ilolg]] ([[User talk:Ilolg|talk]]) 14:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Some incoherence ==

Hey there! To begin with, I want to make it clear I've got nothing against updating the desktop experience at all. I wanted to make it clear in case I seem like a person ranting something like, "Give me back my good old skin!121".

What I think is that by making the skin you folks tried to reconcile the legacy appearance with some modernity. A good point, though the effect is not as optimistic. The top buttons (edit & history & etc) that retain the legacy shadowing do not fit in with the new cohesive background as seen in the left-hand sidebar. I'd consider re-adapting the former so that they better suit the new design. [[User:Mustafar29|Mustafar29]] ([[User talk:Mustafar29|talk]]) 10:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== A few more issues with the Page header vs Sticky header icons ==
Premise: I agree with the comments above that an update can only be a good thing; I'm sending kudos to all the teams working behind the scenes; and I only started using Vector 2022 a few weeks ago - noticing that it gets better each day. I'm not sure if the issues I'm having are slated to be improved or are haven't yet been considered.

1. Lack of coherence in the sticky header iconography
I frequently work on the special pages where the sticky header is absent which makes it frustrating when I move to another page (article page) and it appears and then back to 'edit' or 'view the history' of a page and it disappears again. I feel that I should be able to move from page type to page type without noticing drastic changes in the header.

2. Order of icons and functionality is different between the sticky header and page header - specifically some items disappear completely, some move from one area to the next and others are simply re-ordered. (Until just now I thought the search bar had been remove but I just found it as an icon that was pushed to the extreme left hand side after the article title. Now I understand the others who said that with a 27" monitor the left side icons are essentially out of sight.)

[[file:Headers-sticky-vs-page.jpg|600px]]
* Examining the two headers more in detail we see that the icons seem to be in the same place which makes it hard to notice they are different. Starting from the right, we see that the icons are identical in both therefore, we naturally expect the two (people) dropdown menus to contian the same items.
* Moving towards the left we see two icons with a star which pertain to the same semiotic sphere yet actually have different functionalities. One icon (that looks like a drop down menu but isn't) takes you to your watchlist while the other simply indicates whether the current page is on your watchlist and fuctions as a toggle to add the page if it isn't. There is a futher issue with how similar this icon is to the 'Contributions' icon, making it hard to distinguish for those of us who have bad eyesight - but that is an issue for another post.
* Continuing to the left, the issue becomes more confusing. 'Your notices' from the page header disappears (or maybe I just haven't found it yet) and the text menu 'View history' moves into the sticky header as an icon -the tool tips are the same in both and they are basically in the same position onthe page, which helps a bit.
* And with the final icons (still moving left) the 'Your alerts' bell disappears (or hasn't been found) and the 'Discussions about this page' transform from a text menu on the left into an icon on the right, at least the tooltip is the same. I have to admit that it's not clear to me why my user name is only visible on the page header and then moves under the person icon in the sticky header. It's not exactly a problem in itself, but it does add to the confusion of icons and functionality that seems to jump around from page to page.
* Finally, it seems that the “Edit” and “Edit source” functions have disappeared along with the special menu items of “delete”, “purge” and “move” unless you scroll back up to the top of the page. I believe these issues have already been mentioned by others above.

Again a big thanks to all of you working hard to update the interface and the 'restyling'. I hope when this is all finished, the sticky header will be unobtrusive and not noticeable like the ones normally found on modern webpages. --[[User:Lepido|Lepido]] ([[User talk:Lepido|talk]]) 21:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

== Left menu too wide ==

The main menu on the left is too wide and makes the rest of the page appear too cramped in relation to the menu. [[User:Urban Versis 32|Urban Versis 32]] ([[User talk:Urban Versis 32|talk]]) 00:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== The TOC, again ==

It just makes all look too narrow and tight, at least to me. I've been working on various lists projects recently and now they all look god awful because they had the old look in mind. [[User:Tintero21|Tintero21]] ([[User talk:Tintero21|talk]]) 02:08, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
==I prefer the old version ==
It's cool but I prefer the old version. [[User:Super ninja2|Super ninja2]] ([[User talk:Super ninja2|talk]]) 07:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== suggestion: collapsible table of contents ==

the appearance of the site is far too narrow. i would suggest making the table of contents collpasible to the left. [[User:Lettherebedarklight|Lettherebedarklight]] ([[User talk:Lettherebedarklight|talk]]) 12:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
: Me too. Also could be hidden, in options, so the user can read better the text. Now, it is too narrow and tight. --[[User:BoldLuis|BoldLuis]] ([[User talk:BoldLuis|talk]]) 13:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Line under title colliding with coordinates ==
{{Tracked|T310369}}

[[File:TitleLineColliding.png|thumb|alt=Gray horizontal line under the title colliding with coordinates given on top right of page]]

See image. The horizontal line under the title collides with any coordinates that are displayed on the top right.
--[[User:MimiKal797|MimiKal797]] ([[User talk:MimiKal797|talk]]) 14:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

:Even I wanted to state this same issue. [[User:Excellenc1|Excellenc1]] ([[User talk:Excellenc1|talk]]) 16:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

: Also the floating title can obscure content. For example, open the front page of [[b:Oberon|Oberon]] and scroll to the bottom. Click on instance "a" of footnote 43. That should take you to "MT, in V5, the constant address ...". In fact, the next glossary entry "native, modifies the name ..." is displayed. Not a terrible defect but baffling for a novice trying to learn. Thx, ... [[User:PeterEasthope|PeterEasthope]] ([[User talk:PeterEasthope|talk]]) 00:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
::I came here for a MeToo (about the coords/line collision). Classic Vector does not have the problem. Also, I think the languages dropdown is uncomfortably close to the coordinates; if you hover over that button you can see they overlap, which generates cruft when the dropdown is activated. Did anyone write up a ticket? [[User:DavidBrooks|DavidBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidBrooks|talk]]) 15:35, 9 June 2022 (UTC) - OK, I did: T310369 [[User:DavidBrooks|DavidBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidBrooks|talk]]) 15:19, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
:::This is being discussed in [[:en:Template talk:Coord#Coordinates bad positioning]]. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:32, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

== Great GUI ==

Everything looks very appealing to me. I think the blank left space really aids in reading as the width of the line reduces its easier for me to not to confuse the line which I have to read next. Overall I loved it. One suggestion that I want to give is that it would be very nice if you could change the visual of the tab. It looks a little too classic to me and would be very nice of you if you could add dark mode ( I don't know if it already exists), this I think would give a very appealing look to the website . Thank You. [[Special:Contributions/]] 17:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
: If you ever want to reduce the width of the lines you are reading, I suggest you just resize your window, as the elegance of desktop browsing is that it gives you control over the size of the page. As for me, this layout takes away that control. Using it, I can no longer read an article with the full width of my screen without fiddling with my common.css, a luxury that would not be available to me when I'm not logged in, and am instead forced to use ~2/3 of that width, even when the window is reaching into every corner of my screen. There are several ways of using dark mode on wikipedia listed [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Dark_mode|here]], but I agree it should be made easier. --[[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 16:42, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback ==

I was prompted to give some feedback on the 2022 Vector skin, and I have to say that it needs a bit more work.
* The mix of new and old UI elements doesn't look good; specifically the View, Edit, Edit Source etc. menu bar looks out of place among the flatter new UI
* There's uneven and unnecessary padding around the left pane with the many links that can be filled with the pane
* There should be an option to have the content filling any display larger than 4:3, as most displays are 16:9. I understand the argument that it helps some people in reading but having an option is better, as it doesn't help ''all'' people. Additionally, a poll should be run in all Wikimedia projects on which one should be the default (4:3 or full width) — [[User:Dimsar01|Dimsar01]] ([[User talk:Dimsar01|talk]]) 23:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Here is My feedback
*I see that the sections are not properly sectioned on the screen
*I am using dark mode and when I want to add reference or qualifier or something like that, I see a white suggestion screen
All in all I can say for now is that I really needs more work done and I can prefer the older one for now thank you
[[User:Micheal Kaluba|Micheal Kaluba]] ([[User talk:Micheal Kaluba|talk]]) 05:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== Short description ==

It would be great to have the short description visible on pages, like it is on the search and on mobile, so users can more easily edit them and identify information.

Like said by other users, the mix of new and old UI looks bad. The [https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale most recent prototype], for all its faults, had a well unified UI. I also think that the page tools (and "In other projects") should be separated from links for the whole website like was done in the [https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale most recent prototype], though there were many flaws with that execution (see [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fourth prototype testing/Feedback#User: BappleBusiness|my comments]]), and all those links should be condensed by default. "Beginning" should definitely be named "Lead" or "Lead section", like said by others.

I really appreciate the effort that is going into this. I think the vast majority of these changes are for the better, it just needs more work. [[User:BappleBusiness|BappleBusiness]] ([[User talk:BappleBusiness|talk]]) 00:32, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Software Gore ==

[[File:Languages on Wiktionary with new layout.png|thumb|Software gore]]
This is pure software gore. If you want to explain to me why it's like this, you're wasting your breath. I've edited Wiktionary for over a decade and I understand how it's come to look like this, and I don't even have a solution to propose. But I feel terrible for anyone trying to navigate this mess for the first time. —[[User:Pengo|Pengo]] ([[User talk:Pengo|talk]]) 00:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== Watchlist tooltip ==

Hi folks! I'm vaguely used to the watchlist icon (since I've switched themes many times over the past decade or so, and use the mobile app/website), but I still need to resort to the tooltips when I'm on my desktop. It would seem I'm not the only one that takes a moment to mentally translate the icon to the concept in my brain (per {{ping|Nardog}}'s earlier [[#Watchlist icon]] comment). I may stay with "Vector 2022" over on [[commons:Main_page|commons.wikimedia.org]] after trying it out for a bit, but please: could y'all change the tooltip so that the word "watchlist" is in the tooltip? Currently, the icon sports the the very verbose tooltip: "''A list of pages you are monitoring for changes [Alt+Shift+I]''", which takes a moment for me to mentally translate into "''oh, they're trying to say 'Watchlist'!''". It would be helpful if (in addition to the keyboard shortcut), the tooltip also gave the mental shortcut, perhaps with the phrase: "''Watchlist: your list of pages to monitor for changes [Alt+Shift+I]''". Since I'm guessing y'all aren't changing "watchlist" to another word, I can imagine it would be helpful for new users too. -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 04:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
:Yeah, given all the other tooltips are just "Your alerts", "Your notices", and "User menu", it seems to me it should be simply "Watchlist" or at best "Your watchlist". [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 04:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

== I want the code to make the sidebar TOC disappear ==

Please. Ping me. [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 05:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

It's probably not too hard since there seems to still be a {{tag|mw:tocplace}} element left -- you need to grab the element, move it back and do some style fixups. Kinda like [[w:zh:User:Artoria2e5/Gadget-sidetoc.js]] but backwards. --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:43, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Ah well, I am pretty convinced that having {{tag|mw:tocplace}} but not the actual TOC hidden there is a bug now. If that gets fixed, it should be just some CSS work in your vector-2022.css:
<pre>
#mw-panel-toc {display:none;}
#toc {display:block;}
</pre>
May need to sprinkle on a bit of !important. ping [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:Yep, TOC disappeared, leaving a blank space. [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 16:55, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::Well, just gotta wait until they come to their senses. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 00:55, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== Space for article too narrow ==

The article took up less than the full width of the screen in the old skin, but the increased padding and needlessly wide sidebar here make the usable region even smaller. This just reproduces the issues that have had to be worked-around on mobile, including some tables being too wide to fit in the space and causing horizontal scrolling, creating the need to scroll further to get between sections, as well as causing some large image thumbs to squish the article text into narrow strips. In my opinion, the sidebar, which I think most readers rarely make use of anyway, should be consigned to a modal rather than taking up even more space, so that the article can appear centred all the way down the page. This would make room for fairly wide margins on either side without causing as many issues. (I suggest this because it seems the most noticeable "improvement" here is the addition of extra whitespace, but really, what is wrong with making full use of the window width you are given?) [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 15:50, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
: I came here to complain about the same thing - limiting the width of the pageview doesn't make sense when you have a lot of text to display. Especially the discussions became harder to read. [[Special:Contributions/78.11.223.83|78.11.223.83]] 06:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC should make the page slowly scroll to the right section, and not just jump ==

By the way, I'm still waiting for the code necessary to deactivate the lateral TOC. I've already disabled the sticky header by using .vector-sticky-header {display:none;} [[User:Bageense|Bageense]] ([[User talk:Bageense|talk]]) 07:51, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:That would make it take longer to get where you want to be, and prevent the user from scrolling during the time the page is sliding. The current TOC works using anchors linked to IDs, which means you can get back to where you were by simply paging back, but this, I think, would not be possible if the links were actually buttons triggering JavaScript animations. [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]] ([[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|talk]]) 08:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC not appearing at all ==

It seems that Vector 2022 is not showing ''any'' TOC -- neither the regular one nor the side one -- when it probably should. I noticed this issue about a couple of days ago but assumed it was an error on my side. Today I checked out [[w:Dmitri_Shostakovich]], tried to add a <code>_<nowiki>_TOC__</nowiki></code> magic word, found out it does nothing, and then realized it's the skin that's broken when I retried in a logged out private tab.

In a private tab:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Shostakovich?useskin=vector-2022 has no TOC right now, but
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Shostakovich?useskin=vector has a TOC.

What's going on here? [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

:One refresh later it's showing the side one. I must be descending into some sort of madness. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::Annd it's gone again. No outstanding errors in the console. Seems to be sone <code>@media screen { ... .sidebar-toc {display:none; ...</code> in one of the many load.php's ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=ext.cite.styles%7Cext.echo.styles.badge%7Cext.uls.interlanguage%7Cext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript%7Cext.wikimediaBadges%7Cjquery.makeCollapsible.styles%7Cmediawiki.ui.button%2Cicon%7Coojs-ui.styles.icons-alerts%7Cskins.vector.icons%2Cstyles%7Cwikibase.client.init&only=styles&skin=vector-2022]). What. the. heck. [[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
::The intention of the code seems to be to show the sidebar only for screens wider than a value. That's a good idea, but only if the original TOC is not removed! --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria2e5]] ([[User talk:Artoria2e5|talk]]) 11:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

== Bold, yet very appreciated changes ==

At first I didn't like it. My first thought was that it took more space, so I got less content in my screen. I compared it side by side with the old skin and in fact, elements got more margin. But after giving it a try, reading and moving through the article, I fell in love. I really like that the TOC is now on the left and moves along with the page. It was OK before but now it feels fancy. And I feel more people are going to benefit from it now. The cleaner, more "plain white" look is nice.

I understand the decision of limiting the width of the page on (very) wide screens. In my opinion, it is a sensible design decision that improves readability. Because if lines get too wide, it can make it harder to read. Maybe this "max-width" setting can become a thing users can tweak?

I tested this new skin on a modern computer and a 1440p screen. If I were to use my old laptop, I'm sure I'd like to have the option to change to the old skin. As it fits more content and uses less CPU resources.

I appreciate this changes, and feel they are for the better. Thank you! -- [[User:Zazke grt|Zazke grt]] ([[User talk:Zazke grt|talk]]) 06:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

: I've temporarily switched back to the old Vector skin in Wikipedia because some pages like this one [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Video%20games Wikipedia:Portal:Video_games] have their contents very croped or overflowing their boxes. --[[User:Zazke grt|Zazke grt]] ([[User talk:Zazke grt|talk]]) 06:49, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

== TOC not immediately visible ==
{{Tracked|T309632}}
I am going to refrain from complaining too much as I'm prone to do with any and all UI changes :)

However, I do find the placement of the TOC particularly problematic. Personally the first thing I do when landing on a Wikipedia article is, usually, click on something in the TOC. Having to scroll down first to find it is, to me, very frustrating. [[User:Argymeg|Argymeg]] ([[User talk:Argymeg|talk]]) 12:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== Better font for Arabic/Persian فونت بهتر برای فارسی/عربی ==

As a Persian user, I think font of wikipedia is not good for these languages; Maybe Vazirmatn or other open-source good looking fonts could be better.

به عنوان یک کاربر ایرانی، من فکر می‌کنم که فونت ویکی‌پدیا برای فارسی و عربی جالب نیست؛ شاید وزیرمتن یا سایر فونت‌های منبع‌باز که ظاهری خوبی دارند انتخاب‌های بهتری باشند. [[User:Amiria703|Amiria703]] ([[User talk:Amiria703|talk]]) 22:27, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== It seems like the Page Previews isn't working for me here ==

Although the new skin looks more sleek, I can't use the (very useful) feature of Page Previews here. So every time I'm in for a deep read, I have to switch back to the old look. Please implement the page previews here too. [[User:SamyakShirsh|SamyakShirsh]] ([[User talk:SamyakShirsh|talk]]) 03:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there! Thanks for the report! Could I get some more information on this issue? Page previews is working for me on both Vector and Vector 2022 skin. Are you talking about the user gadget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups ? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Use the white page on the right for TOC and navigation ==

The mobie version of wikipedia app has this really nice way of navigating through sections by swiping eight. I think you can imlement this in the desktop by placing the toc on the right [[User:SamyakShirsh|SamyakShirsh]] ([[User talk:SamyakShirsh|talk]]) 03:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lone value inside calc() ==

The style sheet of the new sticky table of contents uses <code>.mw-table-of-contents-container { top: calc(-2em); }</code>. Is there a reason for putting a lone value inside <code>calc()</code>? [[User:Anerisys|Anerisys]] ([[User talk:Anerisys|talk]]) 09:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks for flagging.
:The patch introducing this is:
:https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/skins/Vector/+/789691/5/resources/skins.vector.styles/layouts/screen.less
:The use of calc is accidental, and I think a mix up our end with the appropriate LESS mixin. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Trouble With Zooming In ==

My vision is poor so I usually zoom to 200% on my browser and it is no problem. With the new skin that same magnification causes the sidebar to take up the top of my screen and I can't see the title of the article and know what page I'm on without scrolling.

== Opt-in/out for page tools? ==

There've been a few discussions on this page about the page tools links, but one possibility I haven't seen mentioned here or at [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Page tools]] is providing a way for each reader/editor to choose which links appear. For example, I use "what links here" quite a lot, "related changes" and "random article" occasionally, and all the others virtually never. Other editors will have different experiences. How about allowing us to reduce clutter by choosing what we want to keep in the menu and what we can do without? [[User:Arms & Hearts|Arms & Hearts]] ([[User talk:Arms & Hearts|talk]]) 19:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
:+1. I just want to say this was the last straw that made me force legacy Vector on all sites in GlobalPreferences. Is there no opt-out aside from putting <code>tableofcontents=0</code> in the URL? No "Expand all" button? Why is there a blank space beneath the ToC? Why fade it out rather than show as much as possible? This is just user-hostile. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 16:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

== Tabs misaligned? ==

The tabs on the left seem to be next to the tabs on the right, as depicted [https://imgur.com/UfeemZ1 here]. This wasn't the case last week; should this be reported here or elsewhere? Please move if need be. [[User:Ifly6|Ifly6]] ([[User talk:Ifly6|talk]]) 07:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:: Hi there, could I get a little more information on this one? What browser and device are you using? Are you viewing this on a mobile phone by any chance? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 21:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== TOC hidden for some reason ==

{{Tracked|T309632}}
When I put my Wikipedia tab to one side at half-width, which I often do whilst multitasking, the TOC disappears for some reason, even though the other side menu (which is the same width as the TOC) stays? I am clueless as to why. All article text is pushed way to the right for some reason. It would make more sense for it to be centred on all screen widths, or to make the entirety of the left menu a solid colour like it was before.

Basically, the sidebar should be made thinner as the tab width decreases.

Also the lack of a TOC below the lead results in images fighting for space with the infoboxes of articles. There should definitely be an option to move the TOC to where it normally resides as I and likely a lot of other editors find that placement more intuitive. [[User:Miklogfeather|Miklogfeather]] ([[User talk:Miklogfeather|talk]]) 16:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

:My whole left sidebar has disappeared this morning. I had to switch themes just to get some editing done. — [[User:Xenophore|Xenophore]] ([[User talk:Xenophore|talk]]) 19:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

== My many criticisms with this ==

Since it seems like Miraheze is also going to be using this new Vector skin as its default, I would like to offer mine and a lot of other users' criticisms with this new skin:

* First of all, the unnecessary dead space. The actual content space is now more narrow and there is a ton of dead space.
* The user menu is now completely messed up. The log in button and talk and contribution buttons are hidden behind the three dots, even though those are the most important buttons and should be readily available. In fact, there is no need for anything to be hidden.
* The giant TOC in the sidebar. It serves no purpose and just further limits content space.

I fail to see how exactly this is an "improvement". Also, the current layout of the skin looks nothing like what is described on the page. There is nothing about a smaller user menu. Currently, the new skin just feels off to me, and I would prefer that this skin be currently branded as "experimental", since it is far from finished. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 21:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

:I'm fine with everything except the user menu changes and content width changes. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 21:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hello @[[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]]. Have you maybe read our documentation where we present the reasons why particular changes are needed, why we've introduced the limited width, and what we're taking into consideration regarding how to use the unused space? I invite you to explore [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features|this page]] and its sub-pages. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I already did. I read through them more thoroughly and while some seem like a good idea on paper, the user menu and limited width do not really seem to be an "improvement", as there are now extra steps involved. The user menu is the most important thing for me and many users, and now I have to click on a separate button to log in. Maybe less limited width, since right now 1/4 of the screen is just empty space with the new skin. I still use the original Vector as my personal default, but I usually browse logged out. [[User:Blubabluba9990|Blubabluba9990]] ([[User talk:Blubabluba9990|talk]]) 22:40, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Wikistories ==

Will Vector 2022 be influenced by [[Wikistories]]? --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 10:09, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]], what do you mean by influenced? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]: If Vector 2022 will be adapted for (compatible from a design perspective with) Wikistories. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 19:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:::@[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]], definitely. All the projects that currently are being built are compatible with or neutral to Vector 2022. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 16:47, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== Visibility Suggestions ==

Hi, first of all thanks for the work and the nice redesign. I really prefer it over the old vector look already.

I use Wikipedia mainly to get an overview or better intuition about topics related to my studies. For me, I prefer the narrower text for better readability and the persistent TOC on the left side of the screen. Makes reading complex pages a lot less painful with easy access to quick navigation.

I have some suggestions for the default behaviour of the current design:

* There should be an '''option to collapse the navigation sidebar/area''' by default (the area which contains ''Main page'', ''Contents'', ''Current events'' etc.). I am one of those people who rarely uses any of those links.
* More of an issue is due to this: The '''TOC is not always immediately visible as the navigation sidebar pushes it too far down.''' Perhaps move the sidebar to somewhere else or make it collapsible by default as suggested?
* Additionally, It '''should be more obvious that the navigation sidebar/area is collapsible.''' Currently the toggle is kind of far and disconnected from the area. I only found this out after wondering what that arrow ''<<'' meant.
* A nice addition would be to add '''more obvious indicators for current position in the TOC''' (loved this new feature the most!). I think right now the text of the current headline is just black. It would be cool if there was some highlighting or perhaps a dot to make it easier to see at a quick glance.

[[User:Devin.halsted|Devin.halsted]] ([[User talk:Devin.halsted|talk]]) 11:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

:I just noticed, that the toggling of the '''navigation sidebar/area''' does indeed persist. I just didn't notice because i switched between too many tabs.
:Something other I noticed, is perhaps that would be good for '''scrollable TOC''' to be more visibly "scrollable"? Right now there is no indication except that maybe some text is cut off. [[User:Devin.halsted|Devin.halsted]] ([[User talk:Devin.halsted|talk]]) 11:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Fifth prototype testing ==

:''Moved from [[Topic:Wx2jt9he9u1ipkpb]]''
Nothing about sticky header? The order of icons, the present icons for IPs, etc. [[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]] ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]]) 17:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
: Thanks for this comment, [[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]. As we explain on the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing|page of the fifth round of prototype testing]], that round will only be dedicated to considerations around the visual design. Pure aesthetics. The order of icons, selection of icons for IP etc., are functional considerations which may be discussed right here, on this talk page, regardless of the 5th prototype testing. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 15:38, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== General Feedback on Sidebar ==

I agree with other feedback that complains about the sidebar being to wide. This is a waste of space, please reduce the width a bit. However, I think it's not the width of the container but the left margin that makes people (including myself) upset. Therefore, I suggest to completely get rid of the left padding of the main container. Also please reduce the left margin of the article container to just 10 or 20 px. Even more space is wasted if the side bar is collapsed: Why is the sidebar positioned higher than ToC? This leaves free space on top of it.

You discussed that the lines of text would be too long otherwise. You could significantly reduce the length if you moved the side bar from the left side to right. You then would have (from left to right) ToC, article, sidebar.

Furthermore, the ToC should be on top of the other sections because for most people, ToC is more important than the other links. Although I understand the intention behind this to invite more people to contribute to Wikipedia, I still don't like it. [[User:GeographyMasterDE|GeographyMasterDE]] ([[User talk:GeographyMasterDE|talk]]) 09:16, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

== JPG screenshots ==

Just to point out that [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements|this page]], in which supposed design gurus are offering a lifeline to a wikipedia supposedly plagued by unsofisticated looks, is illustrated with screenshots saved in JPEG format… [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuvalkin]] ([[User talk:Tuvalkin|talk]]) 14:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

== Limited Content Width ==

I want to state my opposition the limited content width. I understand the research that the narrower format improves readability. However, there are number of good reasons not to adopt the change:

* Yes, [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Popular sites with limited width|many sites]] do use fixed width content, but in many cases their motivation is to use the space to sell advertising – a function not befitting Wikimedia. (Some news sites, such as those run by [http://www.gannett.com Gannett] have even taken the theory one step further and display all their articles as overlays – meaning that if a user accidentally clicks in the shadowed area on either side, they are frustratingly taken back to the homepage.) For this reason, full width content suggests a more reputable website. It implies a dedication to the facts, rather than attempting to fill the page with flashy content. (A [http://motherfuckingwebsite.com different website] has a more profane take on the concept. It doesn't deal directly with the issue at hand, but the underlying issue is the same.) This change just seems like another case of mobile overoptimization.
* Additionally, as correctly the noted at the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Additional notes|end of the page on the change]] is "part of what makes Wikipedia, and other Wikimedia wikis, a powerful tool for sharing knowledge is that there are very few constraints on how information is presented." For example, it's the reason that widths are specified in "ems" rather than number of columns in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Div_col div col template]. Don't get me wrong, I very strongly appreciate the [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width#Establishing a common reading experience|need for a common standard]]. I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/Style_guide#Proposed_Aircraft_Manufacture_Aircraft_Section_Table fought for it] on Wikipedia. However, this is not the place for it.
* It is clear to me that the majority of commenters here strongly oppose limited content width. It is not to be confused with people just being afraid of change. Note that there are far fewer complaints with most of the other proposed features. I don't have access to the survey results, but a [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Repository/First Prototype Feedback Report#Summary of results|sample size of 230 users]] seems exceedingly small for such a major change. Furthermore, the commenters here are likely to a better representation of the dedicated portion of the userbase, as they took the time to respond here.

I would like to end by stating I am not completely opposed to the change. However, it should only be ''opt-in'', not the default skin. –[[User:Noha307|Noha307]] ([[User talk:Noha307|talk]]) 03:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

== Width and font size and color ==
As above, I don't like adding so much margin around the sides, or punishing people with large monitors by forcing them to change skins (which is not easy for everyone). If you are set on fixed-width columns, find a way to wrap columns within a section for wide screens :) rather than leaving huge vistas blank.

I like the move to slightly larger font.

The link color changes are most welcome. The purple could be a bit more red, to make it less pastel. Good to have a combination of "high contrast w/ other text" and "doesn't wash out on displays or projection in bright areas". [[User:Sj|Sj]] ([[User talk:Sj|talk]]) 00:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== Section number in new ToC ==

I noticed that there is no section number in the new ToC. I hope the section number will be added again because I can quickly see how many topics there are on the talk page. [[User:Bluehill|Bluehill]] ([[User talk:Bluehill|talk]]) 07:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== Move infoboxes out of the text area ==

Given that we are limiting the space for text and freeing up space on the sides, it seems to me that it would be much better to move the infoboxes to the left side, and stretch the text to its full width. Like this: https://znaniya.org/c/pushkin-aleksandr-sergeevich-8cab44. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 23:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
: I second this. Such a shame that this request is already explicitly [[Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Frequently_asked_questions#Will_you_improve_charts,_maps,_a-/f-/o-/tmboxes,_infoboxes,_navboxes,_other_templates?|rejected in the FAQ]]. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] & @[[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]], generally, we agree that it is a nice idea. From a reader's standpoint, infoboxes aren't pure content - rather, these are metadata and could totally work as something put next to the content area. However, these are absolutely content from the technical point of view (because these are regular templates). This issue makes it... impossible? to move them. For underlying infrastructural/back-end reasons I can't explain yet.
:However, there's a turning point. What would we work on after the Desktop Improvements? We're considering options for functionalities put in that (currently) empty area. So this topic may be revisited in the future. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 19:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], thanks for the answer! Note: We can create a separate edit area that will be responsible for the infobox, or we can move the infobox using HTML :) [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== July? ==

> ''We are hoping to increase the set of early adopter wikis gradually, until our improvements are default on all wikis in July 2022.'' 
Has the schedule changed? [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 00:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

:It has, @[[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]]. Previously it was June, now it's July. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 16:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], thanks! It's just strange that there was no information about this before. And the wikis was not informed about it. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 16:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Information was sent yesterday in Tech News. Also, this week, I'll send an update to the Village Pumps. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 17:30, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::: Yes, I saw it, thanks for that! But the day before yesterday, when I saw this, I got scared, because the community was not ready for this. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 19:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::We work with individual communities to help them prepare. We also don't ask the most "demanding" communities to prepare yet because Vector 2022 isn't ready to get deployed there either. We take into account that some prefer Vector 2022 to be closer to "finished", and then they would start thinking about preparing. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 22:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Language switcher opt-out ==

The new language picker is a deal breaker for me as an active editor who is working with a very diverse array of topics on Wikipedia. I write about [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Māori_phonology Māori language], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тэруха Japanese geisha], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Литература_Тайваня Taiwanese literature], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Эскимосская_кухня Inuit cuisine], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Парагвайская_арфа Paraguayan instruments], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мишон Vietnamese temples], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кабилия Algerian regions], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Берберская_кухня Berber cuisine], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кайна_(профессия) Arabic professions]. I write [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_exchange articles] that compare dozens of cultures [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Грамматическое_число or languages].

I need a way to hover over the list of languages to see the name of the page in a different random language (which can be anything from Korean to Twi). I need to be able to open 50 language editions very quickly to estimate if any of them have good illustrations or any new literature on the topic that I am working on. I often read the same article in 4 languages simply because I can read in a lot of languages and I am wondering which language edition has the best article. The workflow with the new language picker is tremendously stunted.

The main idea of the new interface seems to be making the page width more narrow. With that, there is a lot of free space at the sides, and I would like to propose putting a full list of languages there, as an option. [[User:Le Loy|Le Loy]] ([[User talk:Le Loy|talk]]) 00:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes, I agree, the decision taken now does not help advanced editors work in projects, but hinders them. I think we need to make a separate setting for the "always open" list. The problems of this list have still existed since sorting was removed. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 15:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{support}}--[[User:Wdpp|Wdpp]] ([[User talk:Wdpp|talk]]) 11:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Old version ==
:''Moved from [[Topic:Wxcz2an2ck4s4cdy]]''
After these changes are made, can I still use the old settings? [[user:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]] ([[user talk: Ilovemydoodle|talk]]) 09:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes [[user:Ilovemydoodle|Ilovemydoodle]], legacy Vector will be available and you will be able to use it as your skin. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Incorrect language name for Czech ==

I noticed that for Czech (čeština in Czech) in the new look the first letter is incorrect, it says "Ceština" instead of "Čeština". I do think it is pretty funny, but would say it should be consistent with the rest of the themes.

I hope this is the right place for this, I didn't find anywhere else to post. [[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]] ([[User talk:Filiptronicek|talk]]) 09:46, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]]. Thanks for writing to us. Most likely, it's not within our area, but I'll help you if the problem still exists. Where do you see this? On Polish and English Wikipedias, I see "Čeština". [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:42, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi there @[[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]], perhaps it may have something to do with Czech being suggested to me as a language? I don't have an alt account to test this with though.
::Screenshot of what I see on the English wikipedia: https://i.imgur.com/T40u7rN.png. It is some very interesting behavior. Thanks for looking into this. [[User:Filiptronicek|Filiptronicek]] ([[User talk:Filiptronicek|talk]]) 13:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

== Please take the interlanguage link (aka "green link") on Chinese Wikipedia into consideration! ==

The Chinese Wikipedia currently uses a green-colored link for interlanguage links in articles, and it seems to fail the WCAG AAA. These links can been seen at [[zh:Deadmau5]], for instance. These links are used a lot on Chinese Wikipedia, and I'm not sure if it is good for readers. If you want to evaluate link colors, please also take this green link into consideration, thank you. Looking forward to your professional advice! [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 11:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:I know these links are not part of Vector 2022, but they are part of the user experience, and currently there is a discussion at Chinese Wikipedia's Village Pump about the choice of color of them, so I posted my message here. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 11:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of content (ToC) ==

Hi! Since weeks ago I don't see the table of content in the sidebar like I used to do before. It just disappeared. It happens when I'm connected in my phone using desktop version. Best regards! '''''[[User talk:Miaow|Miaow]]''''' 12:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Miaow|Miaow]]. Thank you for reporting this problem. We're working on a better look of TOC on small screens. I also strongly suggest you selecting the [[Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions|advanced mobile contributions]] mode when you're using your phone. That mode is dedicated for mobile, in contrast to Desktop Improvements. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 10:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Better alignment for wide screens ==

[[File:Article with new vector.png|thumb|]]

Here's how the new design looks on my laptop with 2560x1600 resolution. Ok, I get it, you won't do anything about the max-width and you insist on using this path. But look, the parts highlighted with purple ellipses just look misaligned. It just begs for the following:
* Reduce the white background so that its right end matches the right end of the article OR insert something into that area. Having gray empty space is ok, but having both white and gray empty spaces look just silly.
* Reduce the header so that its right end matches the right end of the article OR extend the white background of the header so that it fills the whole width of the page (see e.g. how it's done on [https://stackexchange.com StackExchange] or [https://www.reddit.com Reddit].

Again, I get your rationale that having empty space is ok. But having a white empty space on top of the gray empty space... Don't you think it's a bit too much? [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 01:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: [https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/getting-started/ Material for MkDocs] is another example of what I consider a more successful implementation of reduced max-width. The main part has the same background (having same white background on the whole page would also look good on wiki) and the header part has background that extends beyond max-width. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 01:25, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::When we look to the prototype https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue%20whale?en (and https://vector-2022.web.app/Brown_bear), it's fill by "Tools", "In other projects", "Print, share, link" [[User:Koreller|Koreller]] ([[User talk:Koreller|talk]]) 08:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::: It looks somewhat nicer, but the white empty space is still there if you collapse sidebars or scroll a bit... Also seem to have different defaults for logged in and logged out users. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Launching New Version ==
:''Moved from [[Topic:Wxf5fv5pmxyyccdy]]''
When shall the new version ([[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing/Feedback|Fifth prototype]]) be launched? [[user: Stnts256|Stnts256]] ([[user talk:Stnts256|talk]]) 08:54, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: We hope to launch Vector 2022 as default by the end of July. You can use it already by [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|selecting this option in your preferences]]. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 12:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk]] [[User:Stnts256|Stnts256]] ([[User talk:Stnts256|talk]]) 14:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keep watchlist in the sticky header ==

For an active Wikipedia editor, watchlist is likely the most popular destination when you're on some page. Would be great to keep the link there in the header, even after some scrolling. [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Keeping alerts and notices would also be nice. And also for it to work on the talk pages... [[User:Adamant.pwn|Adamant.pwn]] ([[User talk:Adamant.pwn|talk]]) 14:26, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Yes, it bothers me that my control panel disappears. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 16:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
: Second that. The most-used buttons of the standard interface (watchlist, contribs, interwikis) should stay in place, accessible with one mouse click. With the proposed layout I have to press tab-tab-tab... and then ctrl-enter to get to the watchlist. Why so? I can't reliably use the proposed drop-down menu with mouse, it's a common age-related ailment. I'd highly recommend to retain at least some bits of usability-for-disabilities: no complex manipulations. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 09:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

== clear:both rendering on old browsers ==
{{Tracked|T309711}}

I have tried browsing the wiki on Internet Explorer 11 on the new skin for one last time before Microsoft disables it, and it worked well, except something I have noticed is that the CSS property <code>@media screen .mw-body-header::after { clear:both; }</code> causes the side bar to push down the content. When unticking <code>clear:both</code> in the page inspector or when the side bar is hidden, it appears as usual. While fixing it for IE11 won't be relevant anymore, earlier versions of other browsers might have this flaw too. Mentioning it just in case. [[User:Octobod|Octobod]] ([[User talk:Octobod|talk]]) 23:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the interwikis? ==

Is there a simple way to access interwikis, other than by going to wikidata? Also, having two quasi-interwikis for wikidata is quite confusing. Only the second one actually works, the first one defaults to wikidata's start page. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 09:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] - currently, the adding interwiki links is available from the sidebar: "Edit interlanguage links" in the tools section. In the future, we would like to add them into the language selector as well. We are currently working with our Language team on this - see [[phab:T290436|Add support for empty states to the current language selector]] in phabricator for more details. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 13:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:: {{ping|OVasileva (WMF)}}, I see. Curiously, "Edit interlanguage links" does not appear on the main page (at least in ru-wp). [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 13:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Suggestion: Round borders ==

I appreciate very much the efforts to make the design of Wikipedia less outdated, and imo this new design is amazing. To make it even better I would suggest you guys to put round borders in the boxes, so let's add border-radius:14px in these functions! This will make it cleaner and softer! [[User:Duke of Wikipädia|Duke of Wikipädia]] ([[User talk:Duke of Wikipädia|talk]]) 22:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Top margin in title ==

Just noticed the new version and it looks like the title's top margin was reduced. There is an awkward amount of bottom margin for the title compared to top margin and I personally prefer the previous margins. [[User:0xDeadbeef|0xDeadbeef]] ([[User talk:0xDeadbeef|talk]]) 06:55, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

== Very minor improvements ==

I just got the new toolbar this morning, and I absolutely love it! Finally Wikipedia does not look old anymore. But I would like you guys to add a little more than just a border for the active section in the toolbar, probably a lighter background for active tabs and a darker one for non active tabs.

For example, if I'm reading an article, the 'Read' tab in addition to the bottom border, it should be lighter. The 'Talk' tab should be lighter also if I'm in the talk section. This should work well with something like option 3 combined with option 9 (where the header and the title has grey background) in [https://di-visual-design-borders-bgs.web.app/Zebra this border and background demo here]. I like option 3 a lot so it would be good if you guys implemented it, haha.

I apologize if my English is not clear. [[User:Klrfl|Klrfl]] ([[User talk:Klrfl|talk]]) 12:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

== new table of contents ==

For pages with a long table of contents such as this one, the table of contents starts jumping to highlight the current heading. Would it be possible to consider smooth scrolling behaviour for the table of contents at the new location (as for example invoked by <code>.vector-toc-enabled .sidebar-toc { scroll-behavior: smooth; }</code>)? Or is there something like a frozen state or is/was/will be this rejected for another reason? --[[User:CamelCaseNick|CamelCaseNick]] ([[User talk:CamelCaseNick|talk]]) 23:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:Patafisik|Patafisik]] ([[User talk:Patafisik|talk]]) 10:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Sister project links ==
(From [https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente%3APatafisik_%28WMF%29&type=revision&diff=127968745&oldid=127933193 it.wikipedia])

{{ping|Friniate}} suggests to gather the Wikidata link and the Sister project links in the same place.--[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 09:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

== Impact ==

How does the team plan to assess/measure whether the Vector changes work towards their stated goals, so that we're able to correct course in case they don't? [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 00:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Great addition of ToC menu through icon wrt zoom !!! ==

I <s>have just</s> discovered a few days ago, in the french version of WP, as well as here in MediaWiki, the addition of a ToC menu, just before the title, that appears when the left column is NOT visible (at least effect of zooming), and '''this is a GREAT GREAT improvement, MANY-many thanks to the developpers'''.

There still remains a small bug that appeared with this change (at least I didn't notice it before) : the upper (collapsile) bar appears no more. It reappears back when zoom permits back the side left column (tested with an article page in fr.WP ; no appearance "here" while editing, or even while just reading. but I guess it's a different thing, maybe because this is a talk page : I get the same "behaviour" in a talk page from fr.WP : no appearance of the upper collapside bar even if a left colum ToC is present. Might not be a "bug", but a feature, though I would personnaly prefer a uniform behaviour).

Whatever, great thanks to the developers. 
  (Poke @[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] : thanks for relaying these improvements, and back, our comments. Best :-) ) 
  -- [[User:Eric.LEWIN|Eric.LEWIN]] ([[User talk:Eric.LEWIN|talk]]) 06:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Both the ToCs ==

(From the French Wikipedia [[:fr:Discussion_Projet:Am%C3%A9lioration_de_l%27interface_par_la_WMF#Sommaire_%C3%A0_gauche_:_ajouter_plut%C3%B4t_que_remplacer_?|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/24_mai_2022#Sommaire|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/26_mai_2022#Bug_du_sommaire|here]], [[:fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/19_juin_2022#Tables_des_mati%C3%A8res|here]] and [[:fr:Wikipédia:Le_Bistro/25_juin_2022#Sommaire_dans_la_barre_de_gauche|here]])

I've already reported this to Szymon, but I think it will be important to have this suggestion also in this page, visible to all and open to comments.

Different users of the French Wikipedia consider the old ToC and the new one as two complementary tools, and they want both! Reasons: 1) for the context, the ToC should be on the top of the article. If we have the first part of the sidebar occupied by the wiki navigation menu, the ToC is too far on the bottom of the page, it appears on the top only when you scroll down 2) the layout of articles with illustrations is completely disrupted.

Both why?

"When I look at the beginning of an article, I expect to see a ToC with the main sections in order to understand how the article is structured (quite like in a Word document). This makes it easier to read.
The ToC on the left is then very useful when you scroll down the article and want to navigate between sections, but it is an additional feature. It should not replace the current summary, which is still useful.
Or it should be displayed from the start at the top left, when you are at the top of the article (quite like on Universalis)." (summarised by Pronoia [https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ALe_Bistro%2F26_mai_2022&type=revision&diff=194205255&oldid=194153014 here])--[[User:Patafisik (WMF)|Patafisik (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Patafisik (WMF)|talk]]) 11:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Интервики в правый блок ==

Сейчас правое поле статьи абсолютно пустое. Что мешает перенести туда интервики-ссылки, вместо их полного сворачивания, а также подходящие по смыслу к ним ссылки на братские проекты? Это позволит: 1) избежать совершенно ненужного сворачивания списка (бессмысленно его уменьшать, когда высвободилось столько места); 2) заполнить правое поле; 3) частично разгрузить левое поле, чтобы оглавление было лучше видно сразу на первой же странице текста (сейчас при текущих настройках экрана я во французской Википедии вижу в среднем две верхних строки оглавления). [[User:AndyVolykhov|AndyVolykhov]] ([[User talk:AndyVolykhov|talk]]) 12:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Languages in the new desktop interface ==

In the older interface I can select the interwikis that I need most and put them on top of the interwikis' list; same possibility should be in the newer interface. [[User:Leokand|Leokand]] ([[User talk:Leokand|talk]]) 15:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== minor issues ==

* The position at which the table of contents is sticky changes with the sticky header becoming visible/hidden. (<code>.vector-toc-enabled.vector-sticky-header-visible .sidebar-toc { margin-top: 1.5em }</code> vs. <code>.vector-toc-enabled .sidebar-toc { margin-top: 3.5em }</code>) With the sidebar navigation hidden, this makes the table of contents jump up by <code>2em</code> while scrolling.
* At a window width of exactly 1000px the table of contents on the left is displayed but styled like the drop-down table of contents and the drop-down button is still visible but has no influence on the table of contents.
* At 720px+ the logo is displayed, the username and potentially a language switcher. With my username on this wiki in German, the watchlist and the user menu are outside the viewport, so this threshold is chosen to narrow. Maybe a solution would be to move the username link to the user menu at 1000px and lower.
(For CSS rendering, I use Firefox v101.) -- [[User:CamelCaseNick|CamelCaseNick]] ([[User talk:CamelCaseNick|talk]]) 17:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Drop-down menues = poor accessibility ==

Repeating prior statements for clarity: May I speak on behalf of old folks with less-than-perfect control of palms and fingers. The replacement of simple "button" links (contribution, statistics, interwikis...) with drop-down menues becomes a huge inconvenience. In plain monobook, I can simply click on the interwiki, and hopefully get the desired tab at the first try. In vector-2022, I cannot reliably pull down the drop-down list and then select something with a mouse... it almost never works as intended. A very common age-related ailment, it just happens. The only robust workaround is to use the keyboard to "tab-tab-tab..." to the desired control box, and then "enter-tab-tab-...-enter" through the list. And, in case of interwikis, selecting the main (en:) wikipedia takes atrociously long time - instead of being #1 entry, as in old good monobook with my normal preference settings, it's somewhere down the middle of the list. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:46, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== Irish language Wikipedia and Vector 2022 ==

[[File:Irish Wikipedia random article - Vector 2022.png|thumb|ga.wp random article screencap - Vector 2022]]
[[File:Irish Wikipedia random article - Vector old.png|thumb|ga.wp random article screencap - current Vector]]

Hi there. I'm [[w:ga:User:Alison]] - admin and bureaucrat on the Irish language Wikipedia. I'd be remiss in not providing feedback, I think, so here goes.

* I see other folks pointing out the massive amount of whitespace / padding in the left side navbar which is squeezing out the actual article text on the right. On our wiki, it really seems significant. IMO, article is all, and we seem to be sacrificing actual content real-estate for ... what, exactly? Yes, it looks 'less cluttered', but there's actually less content - especially for those of us who both browse ''and'' edit on laptop screens.

* On the top tab section (which is otherwise quite nice), you can see the ''Plé'' (Talk) and ''Léigh'' (Read) are scrunched together with no separation. I18n bug, maybe?

* The main image and title have lost their localization and now show "Wikipedia" instead of "Vicipéid" - this could just be an image localization / config issue. Could someone point me in the right direction, maybe? I did the original, later-font localization for our wiki, some years back, so happy to dip in and fix :)

Le gach dea-ghuí (best regards),

-- Allie [[User:Alison|'''Alison''']] [[User talk:Alison|❤]] 16:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

:multilingual Wikipedians: during redesigh include current non-english desighs for evaluation, including spanish, french and german. They have good ideas and bad ideas... [[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 01:10, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
: The "PléLéigh" issue looks like it's [[phab:T309223|T309223]], a known issue. Until it is fixed in MediaWiki, try updating your browser(s) – the issue occurs if your browser doesn't support a certain relatively new feature. [[User:Rummskartoffel|Rummskartoffel]] ([[User talk:Rummskartoffel|talk]]) 21:59, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hey there! Regarding logos https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T244486 is what you are looking for - basically every logo needs to be recreated. You can request one on that ticket to be prioritized higher or find information about creating new ones.
::Regarding sidebar whitespace I am not sure I understand. The extra padding is for the table of contents underneath the sidebar. You say it's squeezing article text on the right but in your screenshots the Vector 2022 screenshot shows more of the article text. I can see the description section heading for example.
::I can confirm the PléLéigh issue is a bug and will hopefully be fixed soon.
::Hope this is helpful. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 01:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== TOC-Feedback ==

I just recognized what disturbs me the most with the new TOC. I wasn't able to access the TOC without scrolling or clicking when using a community-Page. The main thing: '''It's mixing system and content'''. The TOC is for the content, but appearing on a place of "system". The "frame" is the Media-Wikisystem: accessing Community-Pages, Help, recent changes, user-page etc. Inside the "frame" is the content (the "article", the "book"...). Although it's kind of logical to have the TOC sticky on the side there are so many problems with it:
# the TOC can't be manipulated by magic words, which is a pretty well used functionality.
# the TOC can't be placed to the right, which is pretty often used in german wikibooks.
# the TOC is in competition with the other menus.
# the TOC is now at a place where normally links to other pages are placed.
The same fear of mixing system and content goes with switching the Header and the "Editing-Tabs" (Compare https://di-article-tools-2.web.app/Blue_whale: '''Blue Whale''' first, ''read/edit'' second). BTW the TOC works at this demo-page because the Main Menu is so short. But since this is not fixed (which is a good thing!), the Main Menu might be longer. A good illustration of the problem is visible just the paragraph above this: [[#Irish language Wikipedia and Vector 2022]]. The TOC in the Vector22-Example is completely missing!

So, just as an Idea: '''divide system and content''' - say system top&left (as it's always been) and content bottom&right. the TOC could be placed "always right" next to the text. At least please let the editor choose what to do with the TOC. I mean, wouldn't it be so bad if it's within the Content '''and''' at the side?

I'm fine with the new skin and all the work that has been put in, but the TOC is becoming unusable for me like it is right now. If it's really becoming permanent, it will probably result in "self-made-TOCs" which will break pretty often, because of the "wiki"-system. [[User:HirnSpuk|HirnSpuk]] ([[User talk:HirnSpuk|talk]]) 17:37, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== The new design is everything I feared ==

Jumpable, irritatingly movable buttons? Check. Sticky UI that eats up immense space both at the top (header) and to the left (table of contents)? Check. Tiny narrow line of text in the middle? Check. Buttons not looking like buttons, thus confusing me as to what I may click? Check. The language menu made objectively worse, with more clicks necessary to use than before? Check. Every single change is atrocious, negative, and honestly makes me feel depressed - I will either try to scour Reddit for browser extensions to remove as much of it as possible (no, logged in user things are useless to me as I'm never logged in), or I will leave Wikipedia for good (mental health is more important than knowledge).

Just look at this useless eyesore of a sticky table of contents ([https://i.postimg.cc/bz2zZM2C/2022-06-22-Wikipedia-English-51-UI-bug.png screenshot on postimage] - I hope, you aren't getting the ads, I'm getting none). Even aesthetics-wise, it's botched - the bottom is smudged, the top cut-off. And it's not even at the edge of the screen! It's an exercise in ugliness.

And just saying it here, this Wikimedia redesign is already making it unintuitive for me to write. When I tried to insert the link, I couldn't even see the [https://i.postimg.cc/qBp0ZvDS/2022-06-22-Wikipedia-English-53-UI-bug.png ''upload'' button] - because it's on the edge of the sub-menu (like on phones), not somewhere sensible, like on computers (again, compare how it is on current Wikipedia - a [https://postimg.cc/TpMNbPHg large nice menu with clear buttons at the bottom], computer design). [[User:Adûnâi|Adûnâi]] ([[User talk:Adûnâi|talk]]) 18:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== wordmark no longer appears after upgrading to MediaWiki 1.38.1, style bugs ==

After upgrading to MediaWiki 1.38.1 from 1.36.1, the wordmark no longer appears next to the icon in the upper left. If the window is wide enough, the 150px space for the wordmark is reserved but is empty. When you make the window wider past a certain width, the coloring behind the sidebar also vanishes. This happens with Vector 2010 in both legacy and non-legacy mode and in Vector 2022. The wordmark image is an svg that has not moved and still has correct permissions [[User:Queernix1028|Queernix1028]] ([[User talk:Queernix1028|talk]]) 19:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

:What is the value of wgLogos in your LocalSettings.php? [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 14:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
$wgLogos = [
'icon' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/logo.svg",
'1x' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/logo.png",
'wordmark' => [
'src' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/wordmark.png",
'1x' => "$wgScriptPath/images/arcc/wordmark.svg",
'width' => 150,
],
];
::It previously worked with wordmark src set to the svg file, but now neither that configuration nor the one above work. [[User:Queernix1028|Queernix1028]] ([[User talk:Queernix1028|talk]]) 14:32, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:I believe you need to set a height on the wordmark. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 00:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== Menus — https://di-visual-design-menus.web.app/Brown_bear. ==

*left side menu persistency is screen wasteful, bad idea
** use a tab like google maps?
*left side menu: should be hamburger only
**as an option for experienced, registered users
**need style sheet that puts ''left side column'' '''at bottom of page''' as a footer
*language list:
**should include native and english names
**include a user-customizable shortlist
*[[User:0mtwb9gd5wx|0mtwb9gd5wx]] ([[User talk:0mtwb9gd5wx|talk]]) 00:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

== Language links on Wikidata are right at the bottom of the page ==

I've enabled the new theme (Vector 2022) globally on all wikis. I generally like the new interface. However when I am on wikidata, previously the interlanguage links were on the right. (Where an infobox usually goes on a wikipedia page) Now they are right at the bottom of the page! Some wikidata pages are massive, and having to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the screen to do the thing I do most frequently on wikidata (add new language links) is a real pain. Please can you move the language links on wikidata back to the top (top right) of the page? - [[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]] ([[User talk:Rooiratel|talk]]) 14:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]]. Thanks for your opinion. Are you talking about the desktop view? What's the resolution of your screen? I've tried to narrow my window down and change its width, and it seems that the width thresholds when the interwiki links go from the bottom to the right are the same. Is there any setting you use that may make your experience different? [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi {{ping|SGrabarczuk (WMF)}} this is for the desktop view. I am seeing this behaviour on my 1080p laptop screen and my 1440p desktop screen. I haven't used the mobile view, so can't comment on that. - [[User:Rooiratel|Rooiratel]] ([[User talk:Rooiratel|talk]]) 06:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Infobox element alignment is mangled in mobile view ==

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but when I click on "Mobile view" with Vector 2022, many of the infobox elements are misaligned. Many elements that should be centered are left-aligned, and many elements that should be left-aligned are centered. At least that's what it looks like for me in Chrome for Mac OS at [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic&useskin=vector-2022 this page]. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 02:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:Wow, that looks odd. Thanks @[[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] for reporting this. Right now, I only have one question - why do you use the mobile view and Vector 2022 mixed together? Minerva is dedicated for mobile, and Vector 2022 is dedicated for desktop. Having these two at the same time is bold and original :) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::I was just doing some very beginner-level QA testing. Editors do all sorts of ridiculous things, so I try to do some QA testing by doing ridiculous things. If you want editors to use Vector 2022 for desktop-only and Minerva for mobile-only, then make the "Mobile view"/"Desktop view" link at the bottom of the screen switch between the skins. Meanwhile, I'll be over here in legacy Vector where I can fill my browser window with content.... [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:15, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Using the mobile domain with the Vector skin invokes a special mode with lots of odd behaviour. It's not part of this project but will hopefully get fixed some day. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:30, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== "Related articles" appear to be missing ==

I do not see the "Related articles" section at the bottom of the mobile view. I don't really care, but since the "Principles" section of this page says "We do not remove any functionality", I thought I'd mention it. It makes me wonder what other functionality has been removed, and whether this principle is really being followed in a systematic way. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 03:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

RelatedArticles appears to be working fine to me. I see it on Minerva. What do you mean by "at the bottom of mobile view"? The scope of this project is the desktop site so no changes to the mobile domain have been made.

RelatedArticles does not show on the skins of certain websites and has not shown on Vector or Vector 2022 unless the community has explicitly requested. See [[phab:T144812]], [[phab:T181242]] and [[phab:T278611]] for example. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 14:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
:I think this is my mistake. I was comparing [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic this] (default mobile view on en.WP) with [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic&useskin=vector-2022 this] (Vector 2022 mobile view) and assuming that the default mobile view used some version of the Vector skin, but I think that is not correct. [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah okay. This mode is only accessible by a special URL and is not being worked on as part of this project. Thanks for taking the time to explain! [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== 非常に見にくい ==

日本語で失礼します。本日ごろから日本語版ウィキペディアのスキンに変更があったようですが、
# 文字の大きさをブラウザ側から変更できない(Safari使用)。
# そもそも標準の文字サイズが大きすぎる。
# 目次が項目名の横に位置が変わったせいでアクセスが煩雑になった。
# Infoボックスが大きすぎる
などの変更のせいで、余計見づらくなったような気がします。可能であれば改善するか、もしくは変更前のスキンに戻して欲しいです。 [[User:イカしたイカ|イカしたイカ]] ([[User talk:イカしたイカ|talk]]) 08:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Please evaluate CJK characters' font size in Vector 2022 ==
{{tracked|T311469}}
For your infomation, the Chinese Wikipedia already has a [[zh:MediaWiki:Gadget-large-font.css|gadget]] that increases the font size for a better Chinese reading experience. Japanese and classical Chinese Wikipedia also have such kinds of gadgets. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 08:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

:It would be nice if we could integrate these gadgets into new Vector skin directly. This would benefit other CJK and multilingual wikis. [[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]] ([[User talk:Diskdance|talk]]) 08:20, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Diskdance|Diskdance]]! @[[User:AHollender (WMF)|AHollender (WMF)]] FYI :) [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 23:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I think we should create a phabricator ticket for this one. [[User:Jdlrobson|Jdlrobson]] ([[User talk:Jdlrobson|talk]]) 02:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Feedback regarding Vector (2022) TOC ==

I've had Vector (2022) enabled for a while, and generally like it. However:

* I don't feel the new way of handling the TOC and side menu is user friendly. It took me a while to notice I could hide the side menu only to raise the TOC up the page, as I assumed it would also hide the TOC since the two are part of the same sidebar. With the side menu visible, I had to scroll much further down than usual to find the TOC on many articles with short lead sections, which undermined the convenience previously provided by the TOC as a way to skip scrolling and quickly navigate to a desired section.
** It also doesn't help that the [[w:Template_talk:Skip_to_talk#Broken_functionality_with_new_version_of_vector_theme|new TOC breaks the functionality of]] {{tl|Skip to talk}}, widely used on talk pages on Wikipedia, but I now understand that the change is intended to make that template unnecessary.
** The prototype [https://di-visual-design-menus.web.app/Brown_bear linked by others above] deals with some of these issues but is still a bit confusing. It's not clear that clicking "hide" on the TOC should result in a menu appearing by the article title rather than just collapsing it like collapsible lists which use the same "[hide]" links; while this behaviour can be learned, it's not clear why the hidden TOC menu button doesn't persist between the search icon and article title when scrolling down, which is what I expected after seeing it collapse to a button beside the article title.

* The new sidebar is wider to accommodate the TOC, but much of that space is blank so I'm not sure it needs to be quite so wide, particularly as the added width can cause issues such as galleries by default having less space for images per row. I understand the motivation is to limit the characters of text per line, but doing so by padding the sidebar with empty space seems like an unhelpful way to achieve that. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 16:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the watch/unwatch buttons? ==
Alright, if the article is long enough to be scrolled, I should scroll it down, the top row of icons will jerk left-right, and the "watchlist" icon will become the "watch/unwatch" toggle. Hopelessly inconvenient, counterintuitive, but it works. But what if the article is so short that it won't scroll at all? [https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D0%A6%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8&oldid=123611287 example] Seems like "preferences/watchlist/edit raw watchlist" is the only go-around, is it not? [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 12:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]]: There's a smaller star-shaped watch/unwatch toggle to the right of the "View history"/"История" link. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 14:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:: Thanks, that was most unexpected. I'd rather prefer old good text links. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 15:59, 27 June 2022 (UTC) The new star looks almost exactly like the existing GA star, just a different shade of grey (but in almost the same corner location as in standard monobook). [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 16:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:"Thanks, that was most unexpected. I'd rather prefer old good text links" - you're a Monobook user, am I right? This may be a good reason why it's most unexpected for you. Vector 2022 is based on Vector legacy (2010), and the star icon has been there for 12 years. [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 01:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Merge notification block in the header: notifications and alerts ==
{{Tracked|T142981}}
For me, it has always been a strange decision that notifications were divided into two unrelated blocks and icons with incomprehensible categorization. I forgot about it, but now I'm paying attention again.

Given that we removed the text from all menus, there are now a lot of icons at the top that do not understand what they do. Different blocks of notifications do not help this at all. Maybe it's time to put them in one menu and break it there already? Filters, tabs, whatever :) But at least you won't get confused in the icons.

I personally still (6 years!) do not know what their fundamental difference is. I asked my friends and they don't know either. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 17:29, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{Strong oppose}}. The notices are the notifications that are not very important/urgent, unlike the alerts. Merging them would make me unable to found out at a glance if I have any important/urgent notification, and would also overload the notification box, as I receive many notifications. --'''''[[User:NGC 54|NGC 54]]''''' ([[User talk:NGC 54|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/NGC 54|contribs]]) 22:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:: It seems to me that it is possible to do this with filters and colored marker icons. Or a separate setting for users who really need it. [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 09:47, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

:{{Comment}}. I agree that the distinction could be clearer, but don't necessarily agree that there should be only one button. Presently, when both are empty the only difference between them is the header text and icon. Both share the exact same two buttons, which link to the same destinations. The text in the box doesn't even distinguish, reading "There are no notifications" instead of "There are no alerts". There isn't even a "help" or "about" link unique to each of them to explain the difference or what gets sent where. If you follow the links to the special page or preferences, it's still not clear which notifications are sent where.

:Based on the names, I would've assumed the difference would be that alerts are specifically for subscriptions to [[Wikipedia:Article alerts|article alerts]], whereas notifications would be for everything else. It makes sense to split them, since alerts would be activity that's less personal to the receiver. "Alerts" would be like a daily newspaper, but "notifications" are more like personal mail. Except this isn't how the system actually functions; messages to the receiver's talk page are placed under "Alerts" rather "Notices", for example.

:I understand that it may be helpful to filter urgent notifications from less urgent ones, but what counts as urgent or important? Shouldn't that be decided by the user's preferences? It would make more sense to have something like tabs, as Iniquity suggested, to filter types of notifications; this would let that user decide what is important. [[User:Scyrme|Scyrme]] ([[User talk:Scyrme|talk]]) 22:33, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

== Table of contents: Bold format for active section ==

I really appreciate the new skin and layout. In the beta, the active/current section of the article was formatted bold in the table of contents on the left side. But in the live version, it's regular and black. I find it really, really hard to differentiate between the normal blue titles and the active title, because the only difference is the black vs. blue color. Could you please make the active titles bold again?
Thank you! [[User:Lhennen|Lhennen]] ([[User talk:Lhennen|talk]]) 21:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:+1 Bold and black would be best imo. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Lhennen|Lhennen]], @[[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] - thank you for your feedback! Not sure if you've seen, but we are currently in the middle of testing some [[Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Fifth prototype testing|prototypes]] related to this question. You're welcome to give us more detailed feedback on the prototype page. One of the things we're testing on these is the way links should appear within the table of contents (see https://di-visual-design-toc-active.web.app/Otter) for an example. Currently, our feedback is showing us that people are leaning towards option 2: bold and black so we will most likely be continuing with that option and making the titles bold. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 10:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

== Jawiki has NOT reached consensus on implementing Vector 2022 yet ==

Jawiki has '''NOT''' reached consensus on implementing Vector 2022 yet. Why was it implemented without our consent? [[User:AppleRingo777|AppleRingo777]] ([[User talk:AppleRingo777|talk]]) 22:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:AppleRingo777|AppleRingo777]] - we apologize for the confusion that the deployment process has caused and the lack of clarity from our side. We are currently working on reading back through our previous communications and clarifying the process and what happened with individual members of the community. We will to get back to the community with more detailed thoughts and a process for next steps by tomorrow July 1st. [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 12:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] ==

Hello! I asked a question at the meeting, but I would like to duplicate it here. Will it be possible to control the location of blocks (right or left) through [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]? [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 15:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== Keep the TOC under the main menu as long as possible (Vector 2022) ==

When the window gets narrower the TOC is moved into a "Hamburger button". But the main menu stays where it is until the window get's quite a bit more narrower. I think as long as the main menu fits, the TOC should stay at its original place. Especially since the TOC behind the "Hamburger button" is quite easy to miss. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== "Move" is the only in the "More" drop down menu (Vector 2022) ==

I think it's quite odd that the "More" drop down menu most of the time contains only "move". Is it on purpose to make it harder to find for the average user? [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
* {{ping|L.xschlag}}, I have two items - the other is an add-on via preferences/gadgets. Unfortunately, I cannot use drop-down menues easily, so getting there in V-2022 is quite a nuisance. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Actions menu overflows when main menu is active (Vector 2022) ==

When the main menu is active (meaning visible) and the window is quite narrow the actions menu (Read, Edit source, Add topic, View history) doesn't get condensed in the "More" drop down menu, resulting in a very ugly overflow. [[User:L.xschlag|L.xschlag]] ([[User talk:L.xschlag|talk]]) 11:41, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

== Audio player issues (Vector 2022) ==

When pressing play from a wikipedia article (e.g. first clip in [[:w:en:Aftermath_(Rolling_Stones_album)]]), the page changes text colour from black to pale grey. Almost unreadable. This dead time varies from a few seconds to many minutes, probably caused by unsteady connection on my side. I tried opening 2-3-4... windows with the same article, and some windows seem to be stuck indefinitely while others play with minimal (but still annoying) delay. If I press play directly from file description page ( [[:w:en:File:Under_My_Thumb.ogg]]), it always plays instantly and the text always stays black. Win 10 Home / Chrome 102.0.5005.115 (64-bit) [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 19:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Language mix in the interface ==

Pardon me if this had already been discussed here. It seems that the language of the interface (as set in preferences) mixes up with local-language elements where it shouldn't.
# My preferences are always "interface=en", and thus I always see "Contents Beginning" in the TOC section - be it Chinese, Russian or Spanish wiki.
# The pink box above TOC in ru-wiki says "On this Википедия[sic!] the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Go to top." In zh-wiki, however, the message is correctly "On this Wikipedia the language links ..." [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 21:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

== Where are the categories? ==
Hi this is my first time looking at the prototype, so apologies if this question has been answered elsewhere - where are the categories? [[User:MassiveEartha|MassiveEartha]] ([[User talk:MassiveEartha|talk]]) 04:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== 開発者集団は日本語版を軽視していると思われるThe group of developers seems to downplay the Japanese version ==

日本語版の利用者の一人としては、開発者の集団は日本語版を軽視していると考える。一つの証拠として開発者からの意見を求めるメッセージが英語だけで書かれていたことを挙げておく。機械翻訳があるのだから英語と共に日本語を添えることは簡単なことのはずである。それすらせずにVectorからVector2022への変更を強行したことは、一種の文化帝国主義であると評さざるを得ない。As one of the users of the Japanese version, I think that the group of developers disregards the Japanese version. One proof is that the message for the developer's opinion was written in English only. Since there is machine translation, it should be easy to add Japanese along with English. It must be said that forcing the change from Vector to Vector 2022 without doing so is a kind of cultural imperialism.--[[Special:Contributions/27.85.205.84|27.85.205.84]] 07:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== Vector 2022を強要する行為は、開発者が読者を軽視していることの証拠である The act of forcing Vector 2022 is evidence that developers are downplaying their readers. ==

開発者（の集団）はアカウントユーザーなら自分で好きなスキンを使えるのだから、あまり出来がよいとは言えないVector 2022を強要してっもかまわないと考えているようである。しかし、元々Vector 2022は読者として快適に使えることを考慮していない。開発者（の集団）は読者がいなければいくら記事を作っても意味がないということを忘れているのだろうか。It seems that developers (a group of people) are willing to force Vector 2022, which is not very good, because account users can use their favorite skins. However, originally Vector 2022 did not consider it to be comfortable to use as a reader. Do developers (groups) forget that it doesn't make sense to write an article without a reader?--[[Special:Contributions/27.85.205.84|27.85.205.84]] 07:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== Listed coordinates overlapping with header weirdly ==

for an example of this, see wp's [[:en:London|london]] article ([https://imgur.com/a/rEngM3R screenshot]) [[User:LarstonMarston|LarstonMarston]] ([[User talk:LarstonMarston|talk]]) 20:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Search

2022-07-06T06:35:58Z

182.232.104.146:

<languages/>s
{{Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Header|1={{Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Navigation}}}}
{{tracked|T249363}}
{{tracked|T244392}}
<translate> We want for all editors on our projects to have the ability to find the articles they are looking for quickly and efficiently.</translate>
<translate> Our search capabilities are vital to this, yet our current search experience has a few issues and areas for improvement.</translate>
<translate> First, the search is in a non-standard place on the page, making it difficult to find to a user with no previous experience with our sites and easily forgotten for users that do already know its location.</translate>
<translate> Second, while searching, it can take a significant amount of time to find the correct results as we currently do not offer any context on the search results displayed.</translate>

<translate> Our goal is to improve our search experience in ways that make it easier to find and quicker to use.</translate>
<translate> In particular we want to</translate>

<translate>

* Make our search easier to find by moving it to a more prominent location</translate>
<translate>

* Make our search easier to use by including images and other contextual information for improved scannability of the search results

== Release plan == 
</translate>
<translate> We began deploying the first iteration of these changes, moving the search bar to its new location, September 2020 to Office Wiki and Test Wiki, followed by our [[<tvar|1>Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements#List of early adopter wikis (test wikis)</>|early adopter wikis]].</translate>
<translate> We will deploy the second iteration of the new search experience (built in vue.js) in January 2021.</translate>
<translate> This iteration will add images and content descriptions where applicable to the search results.</translate>
<translate> See our [[<tvar|features>Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features</>|main Features page]] for more details.</translate>

<translate>
== Feature description and requirements == 
</translate>
* <translate> The search bar will be moved to a new location in the header of the page.</translate>
* <translate> The search bar will include an image for the page (if available) as well as a description for the page (if available).</translate> <translate> Page descriptions will be either local descriptions or wikidata descriptions, depending on the policy of the individual wiki.</translate>

<translate>
== Design requirements and guidelines == 

=== Location change === 
</translate>
[[File:Search_1_-_Search_widget_move_-_wiktionary_-_GIF.gif|alt=|900x900px|Search 1 - Search widget move - wiktionary - GIF]]

<translate>
=== New search functionality === 
</translate>
[[File:A_prototype_of_the_new_search_functionality_for_desktop_improvements_project.png|alt=|frameless|900x900px]]

<translate>
== User testing == 

=== Goals === 


A user test was performed using usertesting.com which focused on the following:


* Indentifying any major usability issues that we may have overlooked
* Learning more about search behavior by identifying the breakdown in terms of how people submit their search:
** (a) click on a suggested result
** (b) press `enter` on their keyboard
** (c) click the `Search` button
* To see what people think the “Search” button will do
* To see what people think the “Search pages containing X” will do

=== Study === 
</translate>
<translate> On usertesting.com we had people do various tasks, some of which required them to search for various articles (without explicitly telling them to use the search box).</translate>
<translate> There were two groups:</translate>

<translate>

'''Group 1'''


* 17 people
* People in group 1 searched for //Egypt//, //Cave art//, //Banana//, and //Purple//


'''Group 2'''


* 15 people
* People in group 2 searched for //Electricity//, //Banana//, //Willow trees//, //Romeo and Juliet//, and //Purple//


There was a mix of ages and geographies in both groups:

=== Findings === 


* 0 people had issues using search</translate>
<translate>

* There were a total of 117 searches submitted:
** 86 were submitted via a suggested result
** 19 were submitted via the `enter` key
** 12 were submitted via the `Search` button</translate>
<translate>

* Regarding what people thought clicking the `Search` button would do:
** 16 of 23 people who answered thought it would take them to the first result
** 7 of 23 people who answered thought it would take them to a list of results
** note: all people assumed that `enter` and the `Search` button do the same thing</translate>
<translate>

* Regarding what people thought clicking the `Search for pages containing Purple` would do:
** 25 of the 25 people who answered thought it would take them to a list of pages that have the word "purple" in them


'''Notes:'''


* in the first study people started on the Pancake article and were then asked to go to the article about Egypt.</translate> <translate> It was ambiguous how they were supposed to get there.</translate> <translate> 7 out of 10 people tried to find an "Egypt" link within the Pancake article</translate>
<translate>

* one person wondered why the Cave art search result didn't have an image — made me wonder if the articles that don't have images look lower quality next to the ones that do?</translate>
<translate>

* in two cases the search results loaded quite slowly and the people used the `Search` button</translate>
<translate>

* few people used their keyboard to navigate down to suggested search results (maybe 2 or 3)

== Quantitative testing == 


Two A/B tests will be performed on the early adopter wikis:


* A comparison of the old location of the search bar vs the new location of the search bar</translate>
<translate>

* A comparison of the old search widget vs the new search widget


We will be tracking the following metrics:


* Search Sessions initiated</translate>
<translate>

* Search Sessions completed


Our target is a 2.5% increase for each change for an overall 5% increase in search sessions initiated
</translate>

=== Summary of A/B test results ===

'''Logged-in users AB Test'''

* We observed an average 28.9% increase in the search sessions initiated across early adopter wikis in the AB test;
Results varied on a per wiki basis, with some observed increases and decreases in search sessions initiated between the two test groups.
* For 7 out of the 12 early adopter wikis, there was an increase in the number of search sessions initiated in the new search widget test group.
* Most increases ranged from about 12% to 22% but search sessions initiated were more than double on Serbian (+108.12%) and Hebrew Wikipedia (+192.37%).
* There were no significant differences in search sessions initiated based on the user's edit count bucket indicating that a user's editing experience is not a factor in the likelihood of them starting a search.
'''Logged-Out Users Pre and Post Deployment Analysis'''
* We observed an 8% overall increase (13.4% median increase across early adopter wikis) in search sessions initiated by logged-out users on the early adopter wikis following deployment of the new search widget.
Details are available in [https://nbviewer.org/github/wikimedia-research/Desktop-Improvements-Search-Widget-Analysis-2021/blob/main/Search-widget-ab-test-report.ipynb the full report].

<translate>
== Limitations == 
</translate>
[[File:Screen_shot_of_resizing_bug_within_recent_implementation_of_search_on_the_vector_skin.png|400px|alt=|right|thumb|<translate> Screen shot of resizing bug within recent implementation of search on the vector skin</translate>]]
<translate> There is a current bug with the new implementation of search.</translate>
<translate> If you start a search then resize your browser, the search results stay open but do not move with the search.</translate>
<translate> It is only when you run another search that the results reposition.</translate>
<translate> We will be fixing this upon the introduction of the new search widget.</translate>

<translate>
== Configuration == 
</translate>
<translate> The new search functionality allows for the ability to display an image and a local or Wikidata description along with each search result.</translate>
<translate> This is configurable per project.</translate> <translate> The current configuration is:</translate>

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! <translate> Project</translate>
! <translate> Description</translate>
! <translate> Images</translate>
|-
| {{int|wikibase-otherprojects-wikibooks}}
| {{no}}
| {{no}}
|-
| {{int|wikibase-otherprojects-commons}}
| {{no}}
| {{no}}
|-
| {{int|wikibase-otherprojects-wikidata}}
| {{yes}}
| {{yes}}
|-
| {{int|wikibase-otherprojects-wikinews}}
| {{no}}
| {{yes}}
|-
| {{int|wikibase-otherprojects-wikipedia}}
| {{yes}}
| {{yes}}
|-
| {{int|wikibase-otherprojects-wikisource}}
| {{no}}
| {{no}}
|-
| {{int|wikibase-otherprojects-species}}
| {{yes}}
| {{yes}}
|-
| {{int|wikibase-otherprojects-wikiquote}}
| {{yes}}
| {{yes}}
|-
| {{int|wikibase-otherprojects-wikiversity}}
| {{no}}
| {{yes}}
|-
| {{int|wikibase-otherprojects-wikivoyage}}
| {{yes}}
| {{yes}}
|-
| {{int|wikibase-otherprojects-wiktionary}}
| {{no}}
| {{yes}}
|}

[[Category:Desktop Improvements{{#translation:}}]]

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กูเอง

Project:Support desk/Flow/2022/02

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{{flow imported revision}}
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== Requesting new features ==

Where should i request new features to MediaWiki? [[User:Vitaium|Vitaium]] ([[User talk:Vitaium|talk]]) 05:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:See [[Bugreport]] [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 08:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

== Hosting options for a site with good search function ==

I'm fairly new to MediaWiki, but my project is coming to a bit of a flat-line as I really need people to be able to search properly before they create a new page themselves, there may already be a page already for that subject.

I am creating a historical list of pubs in my area and want people to be able to add their own pubs if they know about them.

My issue is, I am unable to install Elasticsearch on my current hosting platform as I don't have root access and there is no Java installed.

Any suggestions what to do? Ways to install Elasticsearch?, better (but cheap) hosting platforms??

I am based in Australia.
{| class="wikitable"
|[https://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki]
|1.36.2
|-
|[https://php.net/ PHP]
|7.4.27 (cgi-fcgi)
|-
|[https://www.mysql.com/ MySQL]
|5.7.37
|-
|[http://site.icu-project.org/ ICU]
|69.1
|} [[User:Stevio Bee|Stevio Bee]] ([[User talk:Stevio Bee|talk]]) 08:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

== 500 Internal Server Error After 1.37 Upgrade ==

Tonight I have been working on upgrading my MediaWiki site. I upgraded from 1.25 -> 1.28 without a problem, but from 1.28 -> 1.37 I now have 500 errors upon loading the site. I went to my error logs but nothing is showing up, which is odd. (But I'm running on a VPS where I don't have direct access to apache logs.) [[Special:Contributions/67.172.125.138|67.172.125.138]] ([[User talk:67.172.125.138|talk]]) 08:46, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:See [[Manual:How to debug]] [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 08:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:I did those things to no avail. I'm not even getting to a spot where I can throw up debug issues, as far as I can tell. Unless I'm missing something? [[Special:Contributions/67.172.125.138|67.172.125.138]] ([[User talk:67.172.125.138|talk]]) 09:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:If you can't access server logs on a VPS, that's not a VPS or you don't have the required access level rights to get to them. You'll need the help to the person with access to the logs. We can't do more about this. [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 09:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:for the record, also experiencing this on siteground, as far as i can tell nothing generated in the logs. checking with other admin to see if they can see anything but so far just a 500 [[User:Sneakers-the-rat|Sneakers-the-rat]] ([[User talk:Sneakers-the-rat|talk]]) 06:52, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

== CSS Not loading ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

Hi,

I've installed Mediawiki 1.37 and my CSS are not loading.

As said in the doc,

'''i modified my apache conf:'''

LoadModule rewrite_module modules/mod_rewrite.so

<VirtualHost *:80>

Alias /wiki "C:/[...]/www/mediawiki/index.php"

Alias /w "C:/[...]/www/mediawiki/index.php"

</VirtualHost>

'''Added a .htaccess:'''

<nowiki>#</nowiki> Enable the rewrite engine

RewriteEngine On

<nowiki>#</nowiki> Short URL for wiki pages

<nowiki>#</nowiki> RewriteRule ^/?wiki(/.*)?$ %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/w/index.php [L]

<nowiki>#</nowiki> Redirect / to Main Page

RewriteRule ^/*$ %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/w/index.php [L]

(tried with and without the commented rewrite rule)

When i show the sources in the browser (Firefox) and click on the stylesheet link, i'm redirected to my main wiki page.

For me, it looks like the problem comes from my apache conf but i can't figure out where the problem is.

Everything seems to be ok (links leads to pointed pages) but no css is loaded

Thanks for your help [[User:Hotjice|Hotjice]] ([[User talk:Hotjice|talk]]) 10:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:Try to follow [[Manual:Short URL/Apache]]. There's no recommendation to use Alias [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 11:46, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:The alias for /w seems wrong, should be for "C:/[...]/www/mediawiki/" i think.
:Usually you do .htaccess or alias, not both. Having both might interfere with each other.
:What are wgArticlePath and $wgScriptPath set to? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 11:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:Thank you both. I better understand apache config (btw i find it is very complicated:-/)
:My $wgScriptPath was set to /wiki. I put it back to /w and it works... [[User:Hotjice|Hotjice]] ([[User talk:Hotjice|talk]]) 15:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Interner Fehler Fataler Ausnahmefehler des Typs „Error“ ==

Hi, I am new to MediaWiki. I have just installed the programm and was so proud to finish the installation. When I opened up the web page, this was the error I found. Any help would be appreciated. [[Special:Contributions/2A04:4540:4704:F600:F5EB:AE46:258F:D606|2A04:4540:4704:F600:F5EB:AE46:258F:D606]] ([[User talk:2A04:4540:4704:F600:F5EB:AE46:258F:D606|talk]]) 13:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:See "Post a new question" in the sidebar, plus [[Manual:How_to_debug]]. Thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 14:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

== Is it possible to run DB queries directly from MediaWiki? ==

I am not a SQL programmer and barely know anything about querying MySQL DBs.

And yet it is still important for me to ask:

Is it possible to run DB queries directly from MediaWiki? [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 13:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:Which underlying problem would you like to solve? DB queries to find out what exactly? Please also see "Post a new question" in the sidebar - thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 14:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:I want to solve this underlying probelm:
:[[Topic:Woywfwc05rxvoh9o]]
:I thought to solve it by querying the name and/or URL of any redirect I have, in some dedicated webpage. [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 16:12, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:Malayacko it is unclear to me why you asked me to read this webpage, perhaps you found an XY problem in my post? If I sinned, I hope you will forgive me. [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 16:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:There used to be [[Extension:Asksql]] there is also [[manual:Sql.php]].
:However easiest is probably to install something like phpmyadmin. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:12, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

== How best to centralize all main content in a webpage? ==

I would assume that this CSS approach would be enough:

Putting in '''MediaWiki:Common.css''':<pre>
.page-PAGE_NAME #mw-content {
text-align: center;
}
</pre>Do you find any problem with that approach?

Can there be any "collision" with other main styles? [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 14:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

== How to reduce the number of sites ==

Hi, we are deleting sites, but the number of sites in the field for search is only increasing. How can we fix this? Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/129.177.147.44|129.177.147.44]] ([[User talk:129.177.147.44|talk]]) 15:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:Please read "Post a new question" in the sidebar. What "sites"? How do you "delete"? How to see some "increase"? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 15:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

== Cannot read from remote repo, Permission denied (Public key) ==

Hi, I'm trying to upload a branch for review for pywikibot, however I am being denied when I run git review -R.

I have checked that I have uploaded my public SSH key which is showing as valid and I was able to download the repo with my credentials, however I am unable to upload my changes.

I have also run: $ ssh -vv -p 29418 hexagonson@gerrit.wikimedia.org

and this confirmed a successful connection over SSH. I can paste that below in a separate comment if that would help.

The below is the error message. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. If you need any further info like OS etc please advise as I'm new to this.

$ git review -R

hexagonson@gerrit.wikimedia.org: Permission denied (publickey).

fatal: Could not read from remote repository.

Please make sure you have the correct access rights

and the repository exists. [[User:Lorcan Hex|Lorcan Hex]] ([[User talk:Lorcan Hex|talk]]) 16:55, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:Probably the git remote named gerrit is wrong.
:If the latest commit on your branch is the new one you could try old school version:
:git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

== The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Administrators. ==

Hi Team,

I am getting this issue in our community wiki help special page.

Please suggest?

Thanks [[User:Apatha11|Akki30]] ([[User talk:Apatha11|talk]]) 17:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:Please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar and elaborate what is unclear, plus which action this is about on which exact page. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 18:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
:Because you're not an admin, presumably. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:03, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:^^ "Post a new question " , I am not getting this?
:In my wiki site, there is page called "Our Help special page".
:When I am Clicking on it , its showing me error below:
:'''''Permission error'''''
:'''''You do not have permission to read this page, for the following reason:'''''
:'''''The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Administrators.'''''
:We are using :
:'''Wiki 1.35.7'''
:'''PHP 7.4'''
:'''MariaDB: 10.6.5''' [[User:Apatha11|Akki30]] ([[User talk:Apatha11|talk]]) 08:38, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:See the previous replies in this thread. What is unclear, and what is your question? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 10:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

== Uncaught errors when attempting upgrade from 1.36 to 1.37 ==
{{Archive top|result=Discovered that a small number of new files introduced in 1.37 had not uploaded; this included /includes/actions/Hook/GetActionNameHook.php. Uploading this file corrected this error and the upgrade could be run successfully.|status=resolved}}

I'm trying to update my wiki to 1.37.1 from 1.36.2. I've uploaded the new files successfully (overwriting old ones in the main folder; I have a backup of the old version), but cannot run the update script successfully. Attempting it through the browser gives a blank page; running the script at the command line gives the below error (I've replaced the actual root path with [wikipath] to make this a bit shorter).

<code>PHP Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Interface 'MediaWiki\Actions\Hook\GetActionNameHook' not found in /[wikipath]/includes/HookContainer/HookRunner.php:35</code>

<code>Stack trace:</code>

<code>#0 /[wikipath]/includes/AutoLoader.php(117): require()</code>

<code>#1 [internal function]: AutoLoader::autoload('MediaWiki\\HookC...')</code>

<code>#2 /[wikipath]/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(267): spl_autoload_call('MediaWiki\\HookC...')</code>

<code>#3 /[wikipath]/includes/exception/MWExceptionHandler.php(130): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices::getInstance()</code>

<code>#4 /[wikipath]/includes/exception/MWExceptionHandler.php(201): MWExceptionHandler::rollbackPrimaryChangesAndLog(Object(Error), 'mwe_handler')</code>

<code>#5 /[wikipath]/includes/exception/MWExceptionHandler.php(170): MWExceptionHandler::handleException(Object(Error), 'mwe_handler')</code>

<code>#6 [internal function]: MWExceptionHandler::handleUncaughtException(Object(Error))</code>

<code>#7 {main}</code>

<code> thrown in /[wikipath]/includes/HookContainer/HookRunner.php on line 35</code>

It did seem a few files didn't update correctly, leaving a few older version files intact, but I think I've found and updated all of those now. I also spotted a few files which have been deprecated; the files for those from the older MediaWiki version are still there. Could that be a problem too?

Is there an easy way to fix this without restoring the old version and starting over? [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 06:52, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== JavaScript call now button covers footer ==

I have created the following JavaScript code to add an imageless call now button.

In [[Skin:Timeless]] I have the problem that it covers the footer, although it should appear after the last child of the body tag.

How would you solve that problem?<pre>
document.body.insertAdjacentHTML('beforeend', `
<aside class="all_textual_cnb_wrapper">
<a dir="ltr" class="all_textual_cnb_link" href="tel:PHONE_NUMBER">Call now ✆</a>
</aside>
`)

newStyle = document.createElement("style");
newStyle.type = "text/css";
newStyle.innerHTML +=`
.all_textual_cnb_wrapper {
display: flex;
align-items: center;
justify-content: center;
position: fixed;
right: 0;
bottom: 0;
left: 0;
z-index: 9999;
padding: 0 0 5px 0; /* vertical-centralization fix */
font-size: 36px;
font-weight: bold;
background: #149714;
}

.all_textual_cnb_link {
color: #fff;
}
.all_textual_cnb_link:hover {
color: #fff;
text-decoration: none;
}
.all_textual_cnb_link:active {
color: red !important; /* fix a collide with MediaWiki */
}
.all_textual_cnb_link:focus {
color: #fff;
}
`;
document.head.appendChild(newStyle);
</pre> [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 12:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

== How would you format a webpage which you include in your homepage? ==

MediaWiki 1.36.1.

I seek to develop an understanding about how best it is to format a webpage included in my MediaWiki website's homepage.

This might be a good wrapper for the included webpage:<pre>
<includeonly>

CONTENT

</includeonly>

<noinclude>
[[Category:homepage_content]]
</noinclude>
</pre>But some here may prefer to do it otherwise and I want to know how.

Please share your general way (your preferred code pattern) for a webpage included in your homepage. [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 13:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:This thread lacks a description of an underlying problem to solve, or what a "webpage" is exactly. You're free to create a wiki page and transclude it into the wiki homepage. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 14:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:Well, I can't edit but the underlying problem to solve is that putting too much of HTML and/or MediaWiki source code in my homepage will make my homepage problematic to maintain, hence I need to call the relevant content from other webpages.
:A webpage for that matter is any web-browser-accessible page created by PHP which isn't the homepage itself, isn't a category page or isn't a special webpage. [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 15:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:According for the rest Malyacko said, yes, '''transclusion''' is the term I needed in the question.
:What I seek is ''personal experience advice'' for how to transclude data when it comes to the homepage (when it comes to transcluded content which serves to construct a large major data structure of the homepage). [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 15:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:From reviewing the history of the homepage of mediawiki.org I understand that [[User:HappyDog]] did the wonderful syntax of the current output in year 2006.
:User:TheStallion99 which may no longer be active contributed
:And [[User:Armagetron]] made the new design.
:Maybe you would like to go some tips on how to solve the problem described here and how things to take into account when creating major responsive webpages in MediaWiki syntax. [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 17:22, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:Past readers can check [[Topic:Wp52pjw8chw1rwxz]] in which I already covered that the [[MediaWiki]] homepage on this very wiki loads its content from [[Template:Main_page]]. Maybe you'd like to check the code and transclusion documentation and ask specific questions if anything is unclear. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 19:54, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Malyacko}}
:I have already checked the code you mentioned as well as somewhat the transclusion documentation.
:Here I seek some best practices for transcluding webpages into an homepage.
:As far as I know I am not violating any community rule in asking this.
:If transclusion in the homepage doesn't have any best practices or is 100% identical for transclusion in any other webpage than I welcome such a response. [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 00:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:What is supposed to be a "best practice" when talking about a single line of code to transclude a page? As written before, specific questions would be welcome. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 07:56, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:"If transclusion in the homepage doesn't have any best practices or is 100% identical for transclusion in any other webpage than I welcome such a response."
:Yes, it works the same for the Main Page as for any other page. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:25, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

== WikiCommons images not loading ==

MediaWiki 1.27.7

Recently, [[wikipedia:RationalWiki|my wiki]] has been having issues in loading images from the commons resulting in massive red links within our articles. Me and a few other techs think this may be due to our [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Technical_support#Commons_connection_not_working_properly MediaWiki version being too outdated]. Would this be an accurate assertion, or can we still load images from that version? [[User:RockfordRoe|RockfordRoe]] ([[User talk:RockfordRoe|talk]]) 14:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:Are you talking about '''Error creating thumbnail ?'''
:I've seen it too, might be a wider spread issue. Please file a Phabricator ticket. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 15:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:This may be tracked already as {{task|T300366}} [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 15:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

== Sometime, the urls switch to localhost ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

Hi,

On some occasions (loging in, saving modifications of a page, trying to see discussions in the WikiForum are the one i have seen), the IP adress switches to "localhost" (it's a very early test, no DNS name).

For me, it's the same (that's why i didn't notice it earlier) but for other testers, it is.

When I navigate through the pages, initiate editing or disconnect, i don't have this url changing.

Does anyone have a clue ? [[User:Hotjice|Hotjice]] ([[User talk:Hotjice|talk]]) 15:29, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:Be sure you have $wgServer set to a public IP or domain name, not localhost or some dynamic value.
:If it was set to localhost before, you may need to clear the cache (some pages may have links cached with localhost). Another option is to set [[Manual:$wgCacheEpoch|$wgCacheEpoch]] to force a cache refresh. [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 15:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:Thank you, my $wgServer was set to localhost. [[User:Hotjice|Hotjice]] ([[User talk:Hotjice|talk]]) 08:41, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== CSS for popups ==

Working on a skin. I would like to change the font color and background color for the popups that appear when hovering over a link. Any ideas? [[User:Flounder ceo|Flounder ceo]] ([[User talk:Flounder ceo|talk]]) 17:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:Which "popups" extension is this about? Please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:29, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:Thank you for the reply. I'm working on [[Skin:DarkVector]]. As it stands the popups show with orange lettering on a white background. Adding this code to darkvector.less changes the background behind the text to dark gray. There is still more work to do.
:<code>.mwe-popups-extract {</code>
:<code>background-color: #393939;</code>
:<code>}</code> [[User:Flounder ceo|Flounder ceo]] ([[User talk:Flounder ceo|talk]]) 22:46, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

== API Edit Page ==

Hi,

I want to edit the Mediawiki trough a API Edit page. I used the pyhton code from here with an Botuser:

[[API:Edit]]

I get the message that the user is successfully logged in and the CSRF_Token is created. Then at the Edit paragraph, get the response that

"{'error': {'code': 'permissiondenied', 'info': 'The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: [[SOS Influcencer TEST:Users|Users]], xx-ContentAdmin-Test, xx-ContentEditor-Test, xxx-ContentOwner-Test.', '*': 'See [https://influencer-test.sos-kd.org/mediawiki/api.php https:/xxx.org/mediawiki/api.php] for API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-api-announce> for notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."

The Bot user I am using has the permissions with are mentioned in the Error message.

What could be the reason for this "Permissiondenied"?

BR

Carla
----
----S = requests.Session() URL = "<nowiki>https://influencer-test.sos-kd.org/mediawiki/api.php</nowiki>"

<nowiki>#</nowiki> Step 1: GET request to fetch login token

PARAMS_0 = {

"action": "query",

"meta": "tokens",

"type": "login",

"format": "json"

}

R = S.get(url=URL, params=PARAMS_0)

DATA = R.json() LOGIN_TOKEN = DATA['query']['tokens']['logintoken']

print("LOGIN_TOKEN" + LOGIN_TOKEN)

<nowiki>#</nowiki> Step 2: POST request to log in. Use of main account for login is not

<nowiki>#</nowiki> supported. Obtain credentials via Special:BotPasswords

<nowiki>#</nowiki> (<nowiki>https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:BotPasswords</nowiki>) for lgname & lgpassword

PARAMS_1 = {

"action": "login",

"lgname": "Botxxxtest",

"lgpassword": "botxxxtest@123456xxx",

"lgtoken": LOGIN_TOKEN,

"format": "json"

}

R = S.post(URL, data=PARAMS_1)

<nowiki>#</nowiki> Step 3: GET request to fetch CSRF token

PARAMS_2 = {

"action": "query",

"meta": "tokens",

"format": "json"

}

R = S.get(url=URL, params=PARAMS_2)

DATA = R.json()

CSRF_TOKEN = DATA['query']['tokens']['csrftoken']

<nowiki>#</nowiki> Step 4: POST request to edit a page

PARAMS_3 = {

"action": "edit",

"title": "TITLEOFPAGEHERE_xxx",

"token": CSRF_TOKEN,

"format": "json",

"appendtext": "Hello",

}

R = S.post(URL, data=PARAMS_3)

DATA = R.json() [[User:CarlaSch|CarlaSch]] ([[User talk:CarlaSch|talk]]) 18:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
:You probably have the wrong grants set for the botuser. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:00, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

== Path to the GNU diff3 utility ==

$wgDiff3 = "";

<nowiki>===</nowiki>

Where should I point wgDiff3? The following are my Configure Command locations.

'./configure' '--disable-dependency-tracking' '--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr' '--bindir=/usr/bin' '--sbindir=/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--includedir=/usr/include' '--libdir=/usr/lib64' '--libexecdir=/usr/libexec' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--build=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--host=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--target=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' '--program-prefix=' '--prefix=/opt/alt/php73' '--exec-prefix=/opt/alt/php73' '--bindir=/opt/alt/php73/usr/bin' '--sbindir=/opt/alt/php73/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=/opt/alt/php73/etc' '--datadir=/opt/alt/php73/usr/share' '--includedir=/opt/alt/php73/usr/include' '--libdir=/opt/alt/php73/usr/lib64' '--libexecdir=/opt/alt/php73/usr/libexec' '--localstatedir=/var' '--with-curl=/opt/alt/curlssl11/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/usr/com' '--mandir=/opt/alt/php73/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/opt/alt/php73/usr/share/info' '--cache-file=../config.cache' '--with-libdir=lib64' '--with-config-file-path=/opt/alt/php73/etc' '--with-config-file-scan-dir=/opt/alt/php73/link/conf' '--disable-debug' '--enable-calendar' '--enable-exif' '--enable-ftp' '--enable-huge-code-pages' '--enable-opcache' '--enable-opcache-file' '--enable-shmop' '--enable-unicode' '--enable-xml' '--with-bz2' '--with-freetype-dir=/usr' '--with-gettext' '--with-gmp' '--with-iconv' '--with-jpeg-dir=/usr' '--with-kerberos' '--with-layout=GNU' '--with-libxml-dir=/opt/alt/libxml2/usr' '--with-mhash' '--with-openssl-dir=/opt/alt/openssl11' '--with-openssl=/opt/alt/openssl11' '--with-password-argon2=/usr' '--with-pcre-jit' '--with-pcre-regex' '--with-pic' '--with-png-dir=/usr' '--with-readline' '--with-t1lib=/opt/alt/t1lib/usr' '--with-webp-dir=/usr' '--with-xpm-dir=/usr' '--with-zlib' '--with-zlib-dir=/usr' '--without-gdbm' '--without-pear' '--with-litespeed' '--enable-pcntl' '--without-mysqli' '--disable-mbstring' '--disable-bcmath' '--disable-dba' '--disable-dom' '--disable-fileinfo' '--disable-json' '--disable-intl' '--disable-pdo' '--disable-phar' '--disable-posix' '--disable-soap' '--disable-sockets' '--disable-sysvsem' '--disable-sysvshm' '--disable-sysvmsg' '--disable-wddx' '--disable-xmlreader' '--disable-xmlwriter' '--disable-zip' '--without-gd' '--without-imap' '--without-xmlrpc' '--without-xsl' '--without-ldap' '--without-pgsql' '--without-snmp' '--without-sodium' '--without-tidy' '--without-enchant' '--without-recode' '--without-mssql' '--without-pspell' '--without-unixODBC' 'build_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'target_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-pointer-sign' 'CXXFLAGS=-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic' [[User:MW2022|MW2022]] ([[User talk:MW2022|talk]]) 05:34, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:The versions are
:1. MediaWiki version: 1.37.1
:2. PHP Version: 7.3.33
:3. MySQL Version: 10.3.31 [[User:MW2022|MW2022]] ([[User talk:MW2022|talk]]) 05:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:From the commandline run
:which diff3
:To find full path. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

== Redis cache ==

How do I use redis instead of APC? There is no enableSemantics() in the "LocalSettings.php" file.

The current entries in the "LocalSettings.php" file are

<nowiki>##</nowiki> Shared memory settings

$wgMainCacheType = CACHE_ACCEL;

$wgMemCachedServers = []; [[User:MW2022|MW2022]] ([[User talk:MW2022|talk]]) 05:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:I set my "LocalSettings.php" file to the following. Is this the right way? How do I check if redis is working?
:<nowiki>##</nowiki> Shared memory settings
:$wgMainCacheType = 'redis';
:$wgSessionCacheType = 'redis';
:$wgMemCachedServers = [];
:<nowiki>#</nowiki> Add more configuration options below.
:unset( $wgFooterIcons['poweredby'] );
:wfLoadExtension( 'LiteSpeedCache' );
:$wgObjectCaches['redis'] = [
: 'class' => 'RedisBagOStuff',
: 'servers' => [ '127.0.0.1:6379' ],
: // 'connectTimeout' => 1,
: // 'persistent' => false,
: // 'password' => 'secret',
: // 'automaticFailOver' => true,
:]; [[Special:Contributions/2401:7400:C807:2568:483C:64DF:7B70:99A7|2401:7400:C807:2568:483C:64DF:7B70:99A7]] ([[User talk:2401:7400:C807:2568:483C:64DF:7B70:99A7|talk]]) 07:23, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:Looks reasonably correct. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

== I created an account mr_bandit, cannot get blessed ==

I am the "bandit" who worked at Ono-Sendia.

I created the account, added a password, then tried to get it confirmed via an email.

I do not get the email. My email is bandit@cruzio.com

Please advise .. yours ... bandit [[Special:Contributions/2601:1C0:4F00:FBE0:9D9B:83C4:F9F2:4BCD|2601:1C0:4F00:FBE0:9D9B:83C4:F9F2:4BCD]] ([[User talk:2601:1C0:4F00:FBE0:9D9B:83C4:F9F2:4BCD|talk]]) 05:59, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:Please read "Before you post" in the sidebar. This is a support forum for the MediaWiki software. No idea what "Ono-Sendia" is. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 07:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

== Media Wiki Editor tiny ==

Mediawiki question Version (1.37.1) My-SQL...

I installed Editor tiny, everything works but i cannot integreat uploaded pictures in tiny... I uploaded some pictures yesterday and i wanted to integrate the picture today with tiny but i dosn t work... ?! Thanks so much for an answer micha-muck@web.de [[Special:Contributions/2A02:8070:1C3:3440:FC5A:29C5:1EFA:9512|2A02:8070:1C3:3440:FC5A:29C5:1EFA:9512]] ([[User talk:2A02:8070:1C3:3440:FC5A:29C5:1EFA:9512|talk]]) 07:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:What is "Editor tiny" exactly? What does "integrate" mean exactly and practically? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 07:58, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

== Customizing MediaWiki ==

I am looking to develop an application based on MediaWiki. I propose to use MediaWiki 1.35.5 and PHP 7.3.33. I want to support custom edit-pages. It is clear how this can be done.

Custom Features needed:

#I wish to customize processing when article is submitted:
#I wish to store the created content in a custom table that I am going to define.
#I wish to be able to control when the HTML page for the article is generated, when it is available for search engines to index and render.
#Is it possible to accomplish the above? How exactly can it be achieved{{FlowMention|Satyanarayana Krishnamurthy}}? [[User:Satyanarayana Krishnamurthy|Satyanarayana Krishnamurthy]] ([[User talk:Satyanarayana Krishnamurthy|talk]]) 07:43, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:It is a bit unclear from your post: Are you looking to pay someone to do those things? If so, i would suggest emailing someone on the list at [[Professional development and consulting]] directly. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 08:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:No, I am not paying anybody. I propose to do the development myself, by creating an extension. From what I read about Extensions, I can only change the EditPage. But I want to change the behaviour of MediaWiki wrt saving and publishing. Can this be done or not?{{FlowMention|Satyanarayana Krishnamurthy}} [[User:Satyanarayana Krishnamurthy|Satyanarayana Krishnamurthy]] ([[User talk:Satyanarayana Krishnamurthy|talk]]) 04:28, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

== Using php/API to edit all pages in category ==

The API documentation seems really good. But to save reinventing the wheel I though I'd ask: is there already a php script somewhere that I could modify to do this? Or should I just use pywikipediabot despite not knowing Python? :-) It'll not be a simple regex replacement per page so I'm hesitant about that. Thanks in advance for any advice. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 10:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:See [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_code#PHP API:Client_code#PHP] and also [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Chris_G's_botclasses Manual:Chris_G's_botclasses] – [[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 17:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

== Problem with automatic redirect ==

I have a page in my wiki whose name consists of a single character: the German special character ''ß''. When the page was created on an older version of mediawiki there were no problems, only today I noticed that the page can no longer be accessed. When I click on a link to the page, I am automatically redirected to a page with the string ''%c3%9f'', and then to an (empty) page with the name ''SS''.

How can I please access the page again? [[Special:Contributions/88.72.100.99|88.72.100.99]] ([[User talk:88.72.100.99|talk]]) 12:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:%c3%9f is how web browsers represent ß. I think what might be happening is that first letters get capitalized, but ẞ is relatively new so it is capitalized as SS instead. But if somehow that's not what is in the db, you might not be able to get to the page.
:If you know the page id, you can get access via ?curid=pageidhere . You can probably find page id from api or db. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:42, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:I managed to get the ID of the page via the last changes of a user (pagename&oldid=pageid), but when I try to access the page via ?curid=pageid I get the error message "Object not found".
:But, after some searching here on the site, I came across $wgCapitalLinks. After setting $wgCapitalLinks to false I was able to access the page again and rename it. After that I had to set $wgCapitalLinks back to default because otherwise some other links didn't work anymore. [[Special:Contributions/188.102.137.174|188.102.137.174]] ([[User talk:188.102.137.174|talk]]) 04:08, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:Fwiw - oldid is the revision id not the page id. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:19, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

== Page describing all software related to Wikimedia? ==

Is there a page on this wiki or another that gives an overview all software projects that are possible related to Wikimedia? For example, the organization of WMF developer teams, toolforge, wikimedia cloud, external desktop and apps/websites, and userscripts.

If not, should I create one? [[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 16:18, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:No (as I don't see which problem a single page would solve), and no (as someone would have to have a complete overview plus maintain that page for years to come). :) [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 17:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:The page will not be a complete list of all software in Wikimedia, but a general overview on the large stuff and how it is connected. For example, how all of the Wikimedia product teams work and what they work on, what Wikitech is, how Toolforge works and what it's used for, what is WMcloud WMFlabs, what are/is the difference between userscripts and modules, and how people connect to MediaWiki using APIs.
:> I don't see which problem a single page would solve
:Right now new developers have no way of understanding the "development strucuture" of the Wikimedia community or a list of broad software projects they can work on and see who works on it. I personally am a relatively new developer and it took me about a period of 3 months to eventually learn what all of those things mentioned above are, what they do, and what their differences are. Such a page would allow developers to see how "Wikimedia works" and where they should look say they want to develop a tool for a wiki, an application using data from a wiki, or contribute to the development of MediaWiki itself. [[User:Lectrician1|Lectrician1]] ([[User talk:Lectrician1|talk]]) 18:53, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:I think the up-coming [[Developer Advocacy/Developer Portal|Developer Portal]] might be working towards something like what you're describing. [[User:Samwilson|Sam]] [[User_talk:Samwilson|Wilson]] 06:43, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:There is actually [[Upstream projects]] which lists most of this —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 23:32, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

== EditPage does not have a context title set ==

==Installed software==
{| class="wikitable"
!Product
!Version
|-
|[https://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki]
|1.37.1
|-
|[https://php.net/ PHP]
|7.4.27 (apache2handler)
|-
|[https://mariadb.org/ MariaDB]
|10.3.32-MariaDB-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
|-
|Page Forms
|5.3.4 [[git:mediawiki/extensions/PageForms.git/+/d619170ac3f672b4451c49cc1c04e215498ad12c|(d619170)]]
|}
Upgraded from 1.35 to 1.37.1 and also Page Forms version that is compatible to new MW software.

Using page forms and getting above error "''EditPage does not have a context title set'' " when I try to preview a page. However saving a page is successful without any error. [[User:Gachangi|Gachangi]] ([[User talk:Gachangi|talk]]) 18:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
:Are you using the right version of page forms for your version of mediawiki? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:Yes, version 5.3.4 is what is recommended for 1.37.1 [[User:Gachangi|Gachangi]] ([[User talk:Gachangi|talk]]) 14:25, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

== Help Me Please ==

Hallo. Hab nen Nagelneuen Stick bestellt. Läuft beschissen und bleibt nur hängen. Gparted hat Mir jetzt das angezeigt -<nowiki>Die Unterstützung für 64-bittige Dateisysteme wurde nicht aktiviert. Die längeren Felder, die diese Eigenschaft benötigt erlauben die Erstellung der Prüfsumme in voller Stärke. Geben Sie „-O 64bit” an, um dies zu korrigieren. Was kann bzw muss Ich jetzt machen? </nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/2A02:908:898:11C0:42C0:CD89:C297:2F0E|2A02:908:898:11C0:42C0:CD89:C297:2F0E]] ([[User talk:2A02:908:898:11C0:42C0:CD89:C297:2F0E|talk]]) 02:49, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:Hallo,
:ich verstehe nicht ganz, was das mit MediaWiki zu tun hat... Können Sie das bitte präzisieren? [[User:MountainGoat92|MountainGoat92]] ([[User talk:MountainGoat92|talk]]) 07:42, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

== MediaWiki on WebSpace: SyntaxHighlight without Phyton? ==

Hi!

I'd like to use MediaWiki on a (Linux-) Webspace with limited binary access. So e.g. Phyton is not available.

Therefore I cannot use SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi which is important for me.

Are there any other supported extensions or is there perhaps a compiled ''pygmentize'' binary available? I searched the internet but I found no solution.

[[:Category:Syntax highlighting extensions|Category:Syntax highlighting extensions]] shows only outdated extensions and therefore it his not helpful.

Any clue how to proceed?

TIA [[User:GreatOmLivesOnADisc|GreatOmLivesOnADisc]] ([[User talk:GreatOmLivesOnADisc|talk]]) 12:16, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

== Edit Summaries question ==

I have a stupid question, but I don't find awnser , it's possible to force the user to write in the summaries before sending his editing? [[User:Nicolas senechal|Nicolas senechal]] ([[User talk:Nicolas senechal|talk]]) 15:57, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:See "forceeditsummary" on [[Manual:$wgDefaultUserOptions]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 19:13, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:Thank you, I want the same but it stops the user and not just a remind. [[User:Nicolas senechal|Nicolas senechal]] ([[User talk:Nicolas senechal|talk]]) 09:50, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

== My wiki's throwing errors. ==

I run a wiki for a video game server i run, and it's been relatively issue free so far.

However, today, it's started generating this internal error when i do things like block IP adresses or mass delete:

<code>[Yf3n1psryAlUM7CKnb-XtQAAABI] 2022-02-05 02:58:30: Fatal exception of type "DomainException"</code>

It seems to work as it should once i reload the error page.

How do i fix this? [[Special:Contributions/204.116.144.175|204.116.144.175]] ([[User talk:204.116.144.175|talk]]) 03:05, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:Mediawiki: 1.36.1
:PHP: 7.4.27 (cgi-fcgi)
:MariaDB: 10.3.32-MariaDB-cll-lve
:ICU: 63.1 [[Special:Contributions/204.116.144.175|204.116.144.175]] ([[User talk:204.116.144.175|talk]]) 03:17, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:Please set $wgShowExceptionDetails=true; to give a detailed error message. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:17, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:Here's what it prints when i go to the Special:Block page:
:<code>[Yf4KAoHZj6Hg0n9zPvSL6AAAAIA] /wiki/index.php?title=Special:Block/192.126.132.114 DomainException: wgSFSIPListLocation does not appear to be a valid URL.</code>
:<code>Backtrace:</code>
:<code>from /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/extensions/StopForumSpam/includes/DenyListUpdate.php(196)</code>
:<code>#0 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/extensions/StopForumSpam/includes/DenyListUpdate.php(86): MediaWiki\StopForumSpam\DenyListUpdate::fetchDenyListIPsRemote()</code>
:<code>#1 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/libs/objectcache/wancache/WANObjectCache.php(1707): MediaWiki\StopForumSpam\DenyListUpdate::MediaWiki\StopForumSpam\{closure}(boolean, integer, array, NULL, array)</code>
:<code>#2 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/libs/objectcache/wancache/WANObjectCache.php(1539): WANObjectCache->fetchOrRegenerate(string, integer, Closure, array, array)</code>
:<code>#3 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/extensions/StopForumSpam/includes/DenyListUpdate.php(90): WANObjectCache->getWithSetCallback(string, integer, Closure, array)</code>
:<code>#4 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/extensions/StopForumSpam/includes/DenyListUpdate.php(44): MediaWiki\StopForumSpam\DenyListUpdate::loadDenyListIPs()</code>
:<code>#5 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/extensions/StopForumSpam/includes/DenyListManager.php(67): MediaWiki\StopForumSpam\DenyListUpdate->doUpdate()</code>
:<code>#6 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/extensions/StopForumSpam/includes/Hooks.php(213): MediaWiki\StopForumSpam\DenyListManager::isDenyListed(string)</code>
:<code>#7 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/HookContainer/HookContainer.php(338): MediaWiki\StopForumSpam\Hooks::onOtherBlockLogLink(array, string)</code>
:<code>#8 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/HookContainer/HookContainer.php(137): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookContainer->callLegacyHook(string, array, array, array)</code>
:<code>#9 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/HookContainer/HookRunner.php(2740): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookContainer->run(string, array)</code>
:<code>#10 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/specials/SpecialBlock.php(529): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookRunner->onOtherBlockLogLink(array, string)</code>
:<code>#11 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/specialpage/FormSpecialPage.php(134): SpecialBlock->preText()</code>
:<code>#12 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/specialpage/FormSpecialPage.php(186): FormSpecialPage->getForm()</code>
:<code>#13 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(646): FormSpecialPage->execute(string)</code>
:<code>#14 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1386): SpecialPage->run(string)</code>
:<code>#15 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(309): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath(Title, RequestContext)</code>
:<code>#16 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(913): MediaWiki->performRequest()</code>
:<code>#17 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(546): MediaWiki->main()</code>
:<code>#18 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()</code>
:<code>#19 /home/gearstat/public_html/wiki/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()</code>
:<code>#20 {main}</code> [[Special:Contributions/204.116.144.175|204.116.144.175]] ([[User talk:204.116.144.175|talk]]) 05:26, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:The other errors are a little different, but they all seem to do with wgSFSIPListLocation not being a valid URL.
:Considiering that it seems to have something to do with StopForumSpam, i may as well show what i have set to wgSFSIPListLocation set to in my config:
:<code>$wgSFSIPListLocation = "{$wgScriptPath}/listed_ip_30_all.txt";</code> [[Special:Contributions/204.116.144.175|204.116.144.175]] ([[User talk:204.116.144.175|talk]]) 05:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:$wgScriptPath is a script relative path. Try "$IP/listed_ip_30_all.txt" instead. – [[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 06:27, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

== Nuevo proyecto (hablo en español) ==

Hola quiero saber directamente como crear un wiki como wikidex.Claramente porfavor.Ponganme un link o algo así.Tengo una cuenta en Wikimedia llamada TakemichiHanagaki por cierto.Como hago un wiki? [[Special:Contributions/191.85.11.134|191.85.11.134]] ([[User talk:191.85.11.134|talk]]) 04:14, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:See "Set up and run MediaWiki" on the frontpage at [[MediaWiki]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 05:37, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:Hello, [[User:Malyacko|<bdi>Malyacko</bdi>]]... can i send aou a video or can i get you an login ?
:I can not upload pic in tiny editor
:Regards Mmichael M.
:micha-muck@web.de [[Special:Contributions/2A02:8070:1C3:3440:48C8:39B2:A693:1106|2A02:8070:1C3:3440:48C8:39B2:A693:1106]] ([[User talk:2A02:8070:1C3:3440:48C8:39B2:A693:1106|talk]]) 10:08, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
::Wrong place, I guess? :) This conversation is about creating a wiki, not about uploading pictures in an editor [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 18:56, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:Yo soy quien aloja wikidex.net. Lo correcto es seguir los manuales que hay enlazados en [[MediaWiki]]. Si no tienes los conocimientos técnicos para eso, lo mejor es ubicar tu wiki en un alojamiento existente: [[Hosting services]] [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 10:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

== SSL Error when using the Visual-Editor ==

After setting up a new Mediawiki on XAMPP I get the following error while using the visual editor:

<code>Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server: (curl error: 60) SSL peer certificate or SSH remote key was not OK</code>
{| class="wikitable"
!Product
!Version
|-
|[https://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki]
|1.37.1
|-
|[https://php.net/ PHP]
|8.1.2 (apache2handler)
|-
|[https://mariadb.org/ MariaDB]
|10.4.22-MariaDB
|-
|[http://site.icu-project.org/ ICU]
|70.1
|-
|[http://www.lua.org/ Lua]
|5.1.4
|-
|[https://pygments.org/ Pygments]
|2.10.0
|}
Most important stuff in my LocalSettings:

<code>$wgServer = "<nowiki>https://wiki.pseudocode.site</nowiki>";</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = true;</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = true;</code>

This is related to the following articles, and yes I've read every one of them:

[[Topic:W2fgz5rywc86hciu]]

[[Topic:W4qvuuz0nsdo7jm7]]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64606013/get-an-ssl-error-when-accessing-visualeditor-for-mediawiki

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T261054 [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:8878:FE00:E90F:AE63:D777:7863|2A01:C23:8878:FE00:E90F:AE63:D777:7863]] ([[User talk:2A01:C23:8878:FE00:E90F:AE63:D777:7863|talk]]) 12:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:Please see: [[Extension:VisualEditor#Troubleshooting]]
:Specifically, check what url VE is trying to access (Web inspector should tell you), then check curl what happens and then make that not fail in your webserver config. ;) —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 23:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

== Which page-templates any skin must have? ==

I think about creating a new skin aimed for all-core websites and I don't know which page-templates any skin creator must create.

I would assume that these are needed:

*Regular ("article") page
*Category page
*Search results page
*Special page

Is that all? [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 14:25, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:Would you want to create a media-wiki skin? [[User:Tanbirzx|↠Tanbirzx]] [[User talk:Tanbirzx|(✉)]] 18:48, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:Maybe. [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:That's not really how skins work. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 21:21, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:I'd be glad for further elaboration on this particular saying...
:Perhaps you meant that there is a general template file with sub files for each "content-type". [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
:See [[Manual:How to make a MediaWiki skin]] – [[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 17:07, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

== Api ==

Is it possible to get the same list of pages with one API operation as generated by [https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specjalna:Ostatnie_zmiany?flaggedrevs=needreview&tagfilter=mw-removed-redirect&limit=250&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this page?] [[User:Zamkorus|Zamkorus]] ([[User talk:Zamkorus|talk]]) 16:23, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

== How can i change or remove the line that joins the "left-navigation" div and "right-navigation" div?" ==

In most wiki pages with the vector skin or legacy vector skin, you can see a blue responsive line that joins both navigation divs. No matter how much I try, I cannot change its color, only the position with the "::after" css pseudo option. Can somebody please help me locate that line in the code or the files of the vector skin so I can change its color or remove it entirely?

Here is a capture of the line I'm talking about:

https://mega.nz/file/G5xHFYII#bBa2oo7AGleueG4WNZ2PEJojM3ZHd1XVlM6gH0lTZM8 [[User:Thomas Magruder|Thomas Magruder]] ([[User talk:Thomas Magruder|talk]]) 18:08, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
:That's not where that line is set. Its on ".mw-body" as <code>border: 1px solid #a7d7f9;</code> or <code>border: 1px solid #a7d7f9;</code> (vector or vector-2022 respectively) —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 23:32, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

== Completing map rendering when using tabs ==

I am using both the [[Extension:Maps]] and the [[Extension:Tabs]] extensions, with a Leaflet map on one of the later tabs. When I load the page, the map starts to render, but then the Tabs logic comes into play, and the first tab is shown, and the map hidden as the page reshuffes. When I choose the Map tab, it just shows a partial map, with only a few tiles done, presumably because it was interrupted. See https://fanbase.johnbray.org.uk/Category:Novacon. It works if the map is in the first tab, but that does not fit in my design. How can I persuade it to finish? I asked in the Maps help, but am also asking here, as I guess there are problems more generally with rendering with element hiding [[User:Vicarage|Vicarage]] ([[User talk:Vicarage|talk]]) 09:19, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

== Wikimedia IP range ban for Verizon? ==

According to a Wikipedia Administrator, Wikimedia has instituted an IP range ban for Verizon FIOS affecting many users. After contacting Verizon, they are looking into it but do not know why this is happening. According to an old article, the number of affected users could be in the millions.

See: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:108.12.194.196] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:108.34.231.7]

Article source: [https://news.slashdot.org/story/10/11/15/0310217/wikipedia-could-block-67-million-verizon-customers] [[Special:Contributions/108.34.231.7|108.34.231.7]] ([[User talk:108.34.231.7|talk]]) 11:29, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
:So just to be clear, the political aspects of this are entirely wikipedia's concern - whether the block is valid politically is off topic here.
:However it seems like there is some technical confusion what is going on.
:You say you are blocked via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlockList?wpTarget=45.133.192.0%2F23&blockType=&limit=50&wpFormIdentifier=blocklist but your IP is not in that range.
:There's a couple posibilities:
:*you are mistaken about your ip address or your block. That seems likely given that 45.133.192.0/23 is blocked here as well, but you made the above post just fine. If you really were being blocked you wouldn't be able to write here.
:*there is some sort of bug where we are displaying the wrong block message.
:*you are sending an x-forward-for header with a blocked ip in it (unlikely)
:*you have a block related cookie (i'm not sure if this is a thing for ip blocks) - try using your browser in incognito mode to rule this out. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:06, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks for the reply!
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>Incognito doesn't work either.
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>An Admin at Wikipedia explained that it's due to an IP range ban at Wikimedia. Yet another suggested is because I might have used a VPN before and I need to wait 24 hours for "that block to clear".
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>Perhaps it is a cookie issue still? I'll try installing different browsers and/or resetting the PC. [[Special:Contributions/108.34.231.7|108.34.231.7]] ([[User talk:108.34.231.7|talk]]) 12:37, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
:So the screenshot you posted was for a range ip block. Generally the 24 hour autoblock doesn't apply to that block type.
:There is both a global ban on 45.133.192.0/23 as well as a local enwikipedia ban (the global ones apply here as well, where the local one does not). The screenshot you posted suggests you were hitting the local one. Regardless you should not hit it if your ip is not in the range. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:44, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks again for your help! Will see if anything else works. [[Special:Contributions/108.34.231.7|108.34.231.7]] ([[User talk:108.34.231.7|talk]]) 12:48, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
:Can you also paste the output of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=userinfo&uiprop=blockinfo
:You can get your x-forwarded-for header at https://www.iplocation.net/http-browser-header (slightly misleading as that website adds some extra stuff to it) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:50, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

== Wiki being attacked by spammers ==

Hello my wiki is being attacked by spam accounts I am wondering if there is a way to permanently wipe those accounts from the site so that their usernames are not longer appearing in the user log.

My wiki is the mediawiki version. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1702:9A0:76E0:C9E7:5D33:469F:A882|2600:1702:9A0:76E0:C9E7:5D33:469F:A882]] ([[User talk:2600:1702:9A0:76E0:C9E7:5D33:469F:A882|talk]]) 07:12, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:First thing: [[Extension:ConfirmEdit]] and [[Extension:QuestyCaptcha]] helped my wiki being protected from spam.
:To figtht spam generally read [[Manual:Combating spam]] .
:Especially to remove spammy content use [[Extension:Nuke]] [[User:Carchaias|Carchaias]] ([[User talk:Carchaias|talk]]) 09:05, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

== class= mw-collapsible mw-collapsed not working in Mediawiki:Sitenotice ==

Mediawiki:Sitenotice contains some contend that appears on top every single page of a wiki. It is empty by default but can be used to inform users of sitemaintenance or other relevant information.

I recently tried class= mw-collapsible mw-collapsed within the Mediawiki:Sitenotice and it works on the pagecontent itself but not on all other pages that display the Sitenotice. Other classes like class=wikitable or inline css-styling works fine but not the collapsible stuff.

Any ideas are welcome. [[User:Carchaias|Carchaias]] ([[User talk:Carchaias|talk]]) 09:18, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:This is correct, mw-collapsible only works on content, not on notices. It's also not clear to my why anyone would add collapsible content to a sitenotice. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 13:09, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

== VisualEditor and Drawio ==

Hello,

I would like to add a button in the VisualEditor that initiates drawio syntax. I have made it with the WikiEditor. But I could not make it with the VisualEditor. I am still new with js, so I hope I can have some guidance.

I am not sure if this is doable, if not please share other solutions/ways to have drawio in VE.

Your help is much appreciated. Thank you.

[https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Wnz0eli45kj9wyz5&action=reply&topic_postId=wnz0eli45ohc52xd#flow-post-wnz0eli45ohc52xd Reply] [[User:AIDInn - pmbd|AIDInn - pmbd]] ([[User talk:AIDInn - pmbd|talk]]) 13:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:There is currently an implementation for this in the [[BlueSpice]] MediaWiki distribution. So it is doable. Hopefully this gets merged soon into the original Extension:DrawIOEditor. [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 16:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

== change payment method for monthly contribution ==

Hello

I contribute monthly to Wikipedia. My credit card info has changed. How do I provide new payment information?

Thank you. [[User:Fabdana|Fabdana]] ([[User talk:Fabdana|talk]]) 21:19, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{re|Fabdana}} Please email [mailto:donate@wikimedia.org donate@wikimedia.org] for information about how to do this (but don't send the actual new CC details). [[User:Samwilson|Sam]] [[User_talk:Samwilson|Wilson]] 01:05, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

== Problem: i see only search page after upgrade ==
{{Flow summary|ลบ}}

Hello. i made upgrade to 1.37.1

now i can see only the search page.

if i try to go to any page, even "specials pages", i get always the search page

help! [[User:Brunodapei|Brunodapei]] ([[User talk:Brunodapei|talk]]) 22:32, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:Link to wiki?
:There is not enough info here, but i would guess rewrite rule issue. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:30, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

== "edit section" of a section included by a template edits template, not current page ==

Hi, I have a few different types of pages in my wiki and I would like to have strong cohesion by using a template for each of these types of pages so users know exactly what sections to include. However, if a template is structured like <nowiki><nowiki>== Section Name == {{Section Content}}</nowiki></nowiki>, then when you go to edit the page that has used the template, and click "edit section", it takes you to the template, not the page you're looking at. Is there ANY way to change this behavior? I still want to include the edit section links, so removing them and forcing people to edit the whole page is not really a solution. [[Special:Contributions/2601:18D:87F:E790:688F:1BEC:C807:AFAA|2601:18D:87F:E790:688F:1BEC:C807:AFAA]] ([[User talk:2601:18D:87F:E790:688F:1BEC:C807:AFAA|talk]]) 01:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:Most common solution is to disable the automatic section edit links, and then manually add some that point to the right place. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:29, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

== Control print behavior of Table of Contents ==

How does one toggle the Table of Contents to be printed or omitted from the standard browser print dialogue?

I have the odd situation where I'm printing some company Wiki documents, and the ToC is floated to the right using the tocright template, but the actual ToC doesn't appear in printouts. The text on the page is shifted as if wrapped around the ToC however there's just blank whitespace where the ToC should properly be. [[User:Tdsmart|Tdsmart]] ([[User talk:Tdsmart|talk]]) 04:51, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:This is controlled by print stylesheets.
:You can override in MediaWiki:print.css [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:27, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

== pl add TELUGU Language ==

Telugu is 4th biggest language speaking in the world by more than 15 crore population and it was classical language of 2000 years (certified by Indian Government ) [[User:Bvprasadtewiki|Bvprasadtewiki]] ([[User talk:Bvprasadtewiki|talk]]) 06:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:where should that language be added? [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 09:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
::In the '''mediawiki.org''' main page right side down in '''Other Languages ...column''' [[User:Bvprasadtewiki|Bvprasadtewiki]] ([[User talk:Bvprasadtewiki|talk]]) 11:02, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
::I guess {{tl|Languages}} needs to be modified to add the "te" language, and start translating pages into that language.
::This should have been brought up at [[Project:Current issues]], though [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 11:09, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Bvprasadtewiki}} Please read "Post a new question" in the sidebar [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 10:34, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:@ciencia al poder yos you got my point "te" is to be added [[Special:Contributions/117.195.160.126|117.195.160.126]] ([[User talk:117.195.160.126|talk]]) 19:08, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:Please start translating [[Template:Main page]] to Telugu, and once it's done we'll add the language. [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 08:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

== Is adding advertisements via JavaScript problematic? ==

MediaWiki 1.36.1 with [[Skin:Timeless]] to which I consider to add advertisements (Outbrain/Taboola/Adsense/Custom).

I do programming primarily with vanilla JavaScript.

I do some basic PHP theming for Drupal websites but I am not a PHP programmer and certainly lack knowledge in MediaWiki PHP coding standards.

I think it would be relatively simple for me to add advertisements with JavaScript, compared to backendly re-skinning skins which for me personally might be an overkill.

Is adding advertisements via JavaScript problematic? [[Special:Contributions/79.176.130.99|79.176.130.99]] ([[User talk:79.176.130.99|talk]]) 08:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:Don't see any reason why it would be problematic [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:26, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

== Module error ==
{{Archive top|result=Fixed? I guess it just took a while to update or something?|status=resolved}}

Just got this error:
<pre>Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Pagetype/config' not found.
Backtrace:
[C]: in function "error"
package.lua:80: in function "load"
package.lua:99: ?
(tail call): ?
mw.lua:487: in function "executeModule"
mw.lua:757: in function "loadData"
Module:Pagetype:13: in function "init"
package.lua:103: in function "require"
Module:About:26: ?
(tail call): ?
mw.lua:518: ?
[C]: ?</pre>

The module 'Module:Pagetype/config' does exist and contains no errors.

Any help please? <3

'''EDIT:''' Sorry, just fixed itself????? [[User:Thatgaypigeon|Thatgaypigeon]] ([[User talk:Thatgaypigeon|talk]]) 09:47, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Mediawiki Completely breaks after upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 ==

Hello.

I have a server that was, up until recently, running Ubuntu 16.04 server. After upgrading to 18.04 server, the server would not allow us to login. After doing some configurations to the LocalSettings.php file, this issue was resolved.

Now I am trying to upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 server. After the upgrade, the website I am running on MediaWiki now just completely breaks. I cannot connect to the website even though the server itself is running just fine. I get an "ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED" error. I took a snapshot so I can revert back to 18.04 if necessary. I would just like to get this to work.

I honestly just need to know where to even start. Was there some weird configuration of some system settings in 20.04 that weren't present in 18.04? Anything like that? As far as I know everything is configured as it should so... not sure why the connection isn't working.

During the actual upgrade, I selected the options to have it update the files to newer versions and to not delete the obsolete packages as, when I deleted them during my upgrade to 18.04, the wiki broke completely as well. I also redid this with keeping the old files and obsolete packages and this did not work either.

Any pointers? Remember I took a snapshot so anything you might want me to try that might be risky is fine. I can simply revert to the previous snapshot if it breaks. (Of course if it is anything harmful to the actual integrity of the machine or something a snapshot won't fix, don't suggest it :) )

Thanks for any help you can give. [[User:Mpb8877|Mpb8877]] ([[User talk:Mpb8877|talk]]) 20:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:What does the webserver log say? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 21:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
:Yeah....You're gonna have to tell me where that's located. This server has a ton on it. What's the filepath? [[User:Mpb8877|Mpb8877]] ([[User talk:Mpb8877|talk]]) 00:05, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
:Most common place for log files (if using apache) is /var/log/apache2/error.log, but it can vary a lot depending on your setup.
:To me, it sounds like you might have a firewall running preventing connections, or your webserver is not running (you said earlier your "server" was running, but its unclear to me if you just mean that your server is up or if you verified that the web server process is actually currently running) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:25, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

== Does the Wikipedia API request limit apply to each installation of a client, or all installations of a client ==

Hello! Do the request limits described here:

“To avoid impacting other API users, limit your clients to no more than 200 requests/sec to this API overall. Many entry points additionally specify and enforce more restrictive rate limits.”

From here:

<nowiki>https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_REST_API</nowiki>

Apply to all installations of a client running simultaneously, or only one installation of a client at a time?

For example, there is a wikipedia client that uses this REST API. It has one million users. Should the limit ensure that across all one million users, there are never more than 200 requests a second? Or should it ensure that each installation never reaches more than 200 requests a second?

Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/68.175.1.183|68.175.1.183]] ([[User talk:68.175.1.183|talk]]) 04:09, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
:Its probably per ip address so i guess the latter. However, if you're concerned you can ask in #wikimedia-operations on irc libera.
:Make sure you include contact info in the user agent so you can be contacted if there is an issue. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:30, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Manual:$wgDjvuOutputExtension

2022-01-27T16:59:06Z

182.232.57.125:

<languages/>
{{SettingSummary
| section =
| default = <syntaxhighlight lang="php" inline>'jpg'</syntaxhighlight>
}}
<translate>
== Details == 


File extension for the DjVu post processor output.

== See also == 
</translate>

* {{ll|Manual:$wgDjvuPostProcessor|$wgDjvuPostProcessor}}
<translate>

* [[<tvar|howto>Special:MyLanguage/Manual:How to use DjVu with MediaWiki</>|How to use DjVu with MediaWiki]]
</translate>

Help:ApiSandbox

2021-12-08T15:12:30Z

182.232.37.132: Replaced content with "Google play == Usage == <translate> The sandbox displays interactive help for every request parameter.</translate> <code>s=1</code>"

Google play

== Usage ==
<translate> The sandbox displays interactive help for every request parameter.</translate>

<code>s=1</code>

Project:Support desk/Flow/2021/12

2021-12-07T00:10:35Z

182.232.144.129: /* How to embed and load a PHP webpage in a MediaWiki webpage? */ New section

{{flow imported revision}}
{{Project:Support desk/Header/{{#ifexist::Project:Support desk/Header/{{int:lang}}|{{int:lang}}|en}}}}

== Infobox width inside ==

hi

FOr testing purposes I exported some pages from wikipedia and imported them into my mediawiki. All of them have infoboxes on the right. All of them work correctly on my mediawiki as well.

Now I`m trying myself on a own infobox template. Basically it is working, correct size, correct position... the only thing thats not correct is the split inside the infobox. while on other infoboxes the names of the items takes about 20% of the width and the actual information takes 80%, on my template is about the opposite.

year: 1984

color: blue

in my example 1984 and blue show on the very right, 20% of the width.

How can I change that? [[User:BugDroid|BugDroid]] ([[User talk:BugDroid|talk]]) 13:51, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
:Its probably related to some css in Mediawiki:common.css
:Generally you would fix this by setting a width in css for the first cell in one of the columns (either via mediawiki:common.css or style attribute)
:[[Help:tables]] might have some useful info. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

== DOM loading stuck on MediaWiki ==

Hi, I am using MW 1.34.2 and have been having some issues with custom Javascript code.

In one os my scripts I need to run some code after the page is loaded, so I use <code>document.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded",myFunction, false);</code>. However, the <code>DOMContentLoaded</code> event never gets triggered. Using Chrome Dev Tools to "watch" <code>document.readyState</code>, I noticed it never leaves the 'loading' stage.

This property [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document/readyState can be] 'loading', 'interactive' or 'complete' and (I recently learned that) once it gets to 'complete' the <code>DOMContentLoaded</code> is triggered. The "loading" wheel on my Chrome tab stops spinning and all content on the page seems to be in place, but <code>document.readyState</code> is still stuck in 'loading'. Something is preventing completion of the loading process, thus causing my scripts to never run.

(Actually, sometimes <code>document.readyState</code> eventually turns to 'complete', but it takes several minutes, so it might be something timming out, instead of failing... not sure).

I have tried changing my skin and disabling all my custom scripts, to no avail.

There are some errors / warnings on my console after loading any page on the wiki. From what I was able to figure out (googling) they do not seem to be the issue, but still, here is the output:

<nowiki>
P%C3%A1gina_principal:1 Unchecked runtime.lastError: The message port closed before a response was received.
P%C3%A1gina_principal:1 Unchecked runtime.lastError: The message port closed before a response was received.
P%C3%A1gina_principal:1 Unchecked runtime.lastError: The message port closed before a response was received.
load.php?lang=pt-br&…s&version=1j8oy:144 JQMIGRATE: Migrate is installed with logging active, version 3.0.1
VM97:105 This page is using the deprecated ResourceLoader module "jquery.tabIndex".
P%C3%A1gina_principal:1 Mixed Content: The page at 'https://www.mydomain.com/wiki/P%C3%A1gina_principal' was loaded over HTTPS, but requested an insecure favicon 'http://www.mydomain.com/wiki/Favicon.ico'. This request has been blocked; the content must be served over HTTPS.
P%C3%A1gina_principal:1 The resource https://www.mydomain.com/w/logo_wiki.png?bda1e was preloaded using link preload but not used within a few seconds from the window's load event. Please make sure it has an appropriate `as` value and it is preloaded intentionally.</nowiki>

Any thoughts will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

[[User:Rbirmann|Rbirmann]] ([[User talk:Rbirmann|talk]]) 14:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
:The ''Unchecked runtime.lastError: The message port closed before a response was received'' is kind of weird sounding and one i havent heard of before. I would investigate that one.
:I would check network tab to see if any connections are just sitting there waiting.
:It sounds like it could be some sort of weird misconfiguration between http/2, content-length headeds and gzip - bit of a long shot but check if [[Manual:$wgDisableOutputCompression|$wgDisableOutputCompression]] affects anything. I would check config related to those things generally. Also try loading a page with curl -v to see if it gives any warnings (sometimes curl is better at giving warnings than web browsers) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks {{FlowMention|Bawolff}}!! The tip of checking the Network tabs was very useful. In my case, my antivirus software (Kapersky) was injecting a script in all pages and that script never loaded, preventing the document loading to complete. I have disabled JS injection from Kapersky altogether (too bad they only have a global settings instead of a whitelist option) and now my scripts fire normally.
:It is still odd however that the injected script doesn't seem to be causing any other sites to halt. At least I wasn't able to notice it anywhere else. Not even Wikipedia or other MediaWiki sites. [[User:Rbirmann|Rbirmann]] ([[User talk:Rbirmann|talk]]) 00:30, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
:If your site is http and not https, it might only be injecting into http sites or something like that. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 09:18, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

== How do I host a wiki locally? ==

How can I host a wiki locally from my computer that only I can access? Maybe something similar to DokuWiki on a Stick [[User:Wortwortwort3|Wortwortwort3]] ([[User talk:Wortwortwort3|talk]]) 19:41, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
:Some years ago I used Denwer for local server. I can install any CMS using it. [[User:Fokebox|Fokebox]] ([[User talk:Fokebox|talk]]) 08:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
:Generally the same way as you would install mediawiki on a server.
:Install apache and php (i would suggest using sqlite for db in this case, which doesnt require installing anything),install mediawiki.
:There are also docker images if you like docker. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 09:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

== Update Mediawiki 1.23.5 version to latest ==

:Hello there,
:I would like to know is there a way to update my 1.23.5 of mediawiki to the latest stable version i.e 1.37? If so can you please help me.
:Regards [[User:Maddyyard|Maddyyard]] ([[User talk:Maddyyard|talk]]) 07:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
::And I would suggest to make update to LTS versions. 1.23.5 to 1.27 then to 1.31 then to 1.35.
::As for 1.37 I tried to install it but I faced some php errors of this version. [[User:Fokebox|Fokebox]] ([[User talk:Fokebox|talk]]) 08:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, see [[Manual:Upgrading]] linked from the frontpage. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, that page says "Since Version 1.36, MediaWiki only commits to supporting upgrades from two LTS releases ago (see [[phab:T259771]]). Upgrades from older versions of MediaWiki will have to be performed in multiple steps. This means that if you want to upgrade to 1.36 from 1.23 or earlier, you'll first have to upgrade your 1.23 wiki to 1.27 (or 1.35), and, from 1.27 (or 1.35), you'll be able to upgrade to 1.36."
:So you could either go from 1.23 --> 1.27 --> 1.37
:or 1.23 --> 1.35 --> 1.37 [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:07, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

== Text automatically appearing on pages with a specific category? ==
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Hi,

is it possible to have some specific text/content appear in a custom place of all pages belonging to an individual category? My use case is that we have pages in the category "Archive". We want to show a kind of banner at the top of the these pages only, so it should only appear when the page is in the "Archive" category.

I know about templates that can be used to include a predefined text on any page - but this is not automatic since I would need to manually include the template on any page I put into the "Archive" category. I would like to have the text included automatically as soon as the page is put into the category "Archive".

Is there a way to achieve this? [[User:TorstenBerg|TorstenBerg]] ([[User talk:TorstenBerg|talk]]) 08:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
:Usually people have the template put the page in the category, so its automatic for anything with the template.
:There's probably things you can do with either js or php extensions.
:See also [[extension:PageInCat]] (maybe combined with mediawiki:sitenotice. Not sure if sitenotice is rendered per page) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 09:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks for the help! So I now did what you suggested: instead of writing the category "Archive" directly into the page using the "Category" mechanism, I just use the template for the archive. The template will then add the category itself ''and'' add the info box at the top of the page. Quite handy and easy enough, as it also allows users with access to the template to change the info text! [[User:TorstenBerg|TorstenBerg]] ([[User talk:TorstenBerg|talk]]) 10:35, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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== Most Special:SpecialPages will not load after upgrade ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

After upgrading from 1.31 to 1.37, I am unable to get into Special:SpecialPages, but the rest of the site seems to be working fine, including the ability to Log In, view Version, and even to reset the password, which is Special:PasswordReset. This is the error:

Warning: require(/opt/app-root/src/includes/specials/SpecialDeadendPages.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /opt/app-root/src/includes/AutoLoader.php on line 117

Fatal error: require(): Failed opening required '/opt/app-root/src/includes/specials/SpecialDeadendPages.php' (include_path='/opt/app-root/src/vendor/pear/console_getopt:/opt/app-root/src/vendor/pear/mail:/opt/app-root/src/vendor/pear/mail_mime:/opt/app-root/src/vendor/pear/net_smtp:/opt/app-root/src/vendor/pear/net_socket:/opt/app-root/src/vendor/pear/net_url2:/opt/app-root/src/vendor/pear/pear-core-minimal/src:/opt/app-root/src/vendor/pear/pear_exception:.:/opt/app-root/src:/usr/share/pear') in /opt/app-root/src/includes/AutoLoader.php on line 117

Here's my version info: https://www.coraldigest.org/index.php/Special:Version

This is hosted on in a RedHat OpenShift environment at my University. I've had issues before, mostly related to Composer, and it could be that it's here again.

To build this, I downloaded the 1.37 zip folder, unzipped, copied in my LocalSetting.php and images directory, removed mw-config, and updated the Tweeki skin. I then send it on to a private repository that triggers the build on OpenShift. After the initial build, I ran the maintenance/update.php script to update the database.

Any thoughts on how I can overcome this issue, as I need to be able to manage the site once logged in. Thanks! [[User:Brian.unc|Brian.unc]] ([[User talk:Brian.unc|talk]]) 20:27, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
:When Special:SpecialPages crashes, it is generally the fault of an extension providing a special page and the given special page fails to initialise. Here it seems to be Special:DeadendPages, which is a core special page.
:It seems unlikely to be related to Composer since this file is managed by the core of MediaWiki and its autoloader (/opt/app-root/src/includes/AutoLoader.php and a list of classes in /opt/app-root/src/autoload.php).
:Did you verify the file /opt/app-root/src/includes/specials/SpecialDeadendPages.php is really present? (possibly removed by mistake?)
:Other PHP files for special pages seems to be missing: [https://www.coraldigest.org/index.php/Special:ShortPages Special:ShortPages], [https://www.coraldigest.org/index.php/Special:UncategorizedPages Special:UncategorizedPages], and possibly others. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 09:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
:Sometimes this happens if you extract a new version of mediawiki on top of an old one, and have a mix of files from both versions present.
:I would suggest reinstalling mediawiki into a clean directory (keeping LocalSettings.php, images, and extensions directories of course) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 10:25, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
:It was a clean install, aside from images and LocalSettings.php. I have checked to verify that Special:DeadendPages and the others that have failed are, indeed, present. I will try another clean install to see if that helps. [[User:Brian.unc|Brian.unc]] ([[User talk:Brian.unc|talk]]) 13:26, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
:You verified that /opt/app-root/src/includes/specials/SpecialDeadendPages.php was present? (With that exact case and spelling?)
:It would be very odd to get that error message if the file was actually present. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 14:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, it's there... I started wondering if somehow the directory wasn't readable, but that wasn't the case, either. [[User:Brian.unc|Brian.unc]] ([[User talk:Brian.unc|talk]]) 14:45, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
:Could it be selinux related? Although i would expect a different error. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 15:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
:OK, a completely new redeploy has fixed the error. I believe that there were some artifacts left over from the previous installation in my repository that I did not properly clean up using git rm that created the strange behavior. Lesson to all - make sure you keep your git repositories clean! [[User:Brian.unc|Brian.unc]] ([[User talk:Brian.unc|talk]]) 17:07, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
:Indeed, probably a security feature. If not linked to SELinux, it could be the PHP parameter open_basedir.
:(I replied before seeing the last answer -- can be ignored then.) ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 17:17, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
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== Licensing Help ==

:Hello, id like to have my wiki use CC-BY License. If i use that license, can i still add pictures that are licensed under CC-BY-NC?
:On the very bottom of the page it states "Content is available under CC-BY if not stated otherwise". Is it enough if on the file page it says that that its a NC license or would i have to put that in the image description on the contant page? [[Special:Contributions/2003:ED:1F03:BB00:41DB:6553:6201:CE3D|2003:ED:1F03:BB00:41DB:6553:6201:CE3D]] ([[User talk:2003:ED:1F03:BB00:41DB:6553:6201:CE3D|talk]]) 21:16, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
::This seems not related to MediaWiki itself. For general content licensing questions, please ask in a legal forum. Thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 04:25, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
:You should talk to a lawyer if you want to know for sure (or at least ask in a creative commons form), but it should be noted that lots of websites do that sort of thing. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 04:31, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

== content in diferent languages ==

hi

I want to make my wiki available in two languages, not by a translator, but writing the 2 pages myself, and then having the option for the user to simply switch an article between the 2 languages.

What is the best way to achieve this? [[Special:Contributions/181.62.255.97|181.62.255.97]] ([[User talk:181.62.255.97|talk]]) 04:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
:There are three different ways people use:
:*[[help:subpages]] - /en /fr versions of the page with links
:*[[extension:translate]] (what this wiki does)
:*[[manual:interwiki]] separate wikis with interlanguage links in sidebar (what wikipedia does) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 22:17, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

== Я подтверждаю свой email aleksejnetreba25681@gmail.com ==

Я подтверждаю мой email aleksejnetreba25681@gmail.com почему мне не приходят Ваши сообщения на этот почтовый ящик [[Special:Contributions/2A00:1FA1:418A:A382:DD09:842F:9781:A638|2A00:1FA1:418A:A382:DD09:842F:9781:A638]] ([[User talk:2A00:1FA1:418A:A382:DD09:842F:9781:A638|talk]]) 12:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
:Specifically which messages are you talking about?
:For receiving email notifications, make sure your settings are correct at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo]]. [[User:AhmadF.Cheema|AhmadF.Cheema]] ([[User talk:AhmadF.Cheema|talk]]) 13:33, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

== 1.31 to 1.39 in one step? ==

Will that be possible or one has to go via 1.35? [[User:Spiros71|Spiros71]] ([[User talk:Spiros71|talk]]) 19:13, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
:Should be fine. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 21:27, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

== linking existing contributions to new user account ==

I've been making modest contributions monthly for some time but evidently had not created a user name. Now that I've done that how do I connect my contributions to my log in so I stop seeing the fundraising requests? Thank you. [[User:Srgreene76|Srgreene76]] ([[User talk:Srgreene76|talk]]) 22:56, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

== Use visual editor in LAN-only mediawiki ==

So, I made a LAN-Only mediawiki for sharing of information about a project here that I don't want to make public

I tried enabling the visualeditor, but I had 3 problems with it:

The first one was a HTTP error, which I solved by enabling SSL on the server, the second one was a cURL error, because the SSL wasn't trusted, so I added the self-signed certificate as a trusted certificate to the apache2 configurations, but now I'm getting a HTTP 500 error which I'm not being able to find the source because it doesn't even get put into PHP error logs... So... How do I go about debugging it?

"Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 500)" [[User:RMisaki|RMisaki]] ([[User talk:RMisaki|talk]]) 01:04, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:Thats a restbase error so its more likely to be parsoid logs not php.
:Newer versions of mediawiki use php parsoid i think (i havent fully kept up with it) which might be easier. Try using the latest version. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:10, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:I am using the latest (or at least very recent) version with PHP Parsoid, but I don't know where to look for the error logs for Parsoid, if I knew what was causing the server error I'd go and fix it, but unfortunately, I don't have a clue... [[User:RMisaki|RMisaki]] ([[User talk:RMisaki|talk]]) 08:13, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

== wiki family symlinks ==

hi

I installed 3 wikis on my hostgator hosting:

mypage.com/en.mywiki

mypage.com/es.mywiki

mypage.com/pool.mywiki

on the first 2 I removed the folders docs, extensions, includes, languages, maintenance, resources, skins, tests and vendor; in order to save space, according to [[Manual:Wiki family/pl#Multiple wikis sharing common resources]]

now I should create symlinks and modifiy some configuration files. I`m not sure how to do this. IMHO the instructions on the page above are rather confusing. Can someone shine some light on this please? [[User:BugDroid|BugDroid]] ([[User talk:BugDroid|talk]]) 03:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:nobody? [[User:BugDroid|BugDroid]] ([[User talk:BugDroid|talk]]) 16:12, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

== How to intigrate a forum system into my mediawiki ==

Hello, I would like to ask if anyone knows how to integrate a forum system into mediawiki (not just the typical discussion page thing on mediawiki and wikipedia, but would replace the discussion page for each page as well as have a general forum age), such as something like phpBB. Thanks [[User:Guillaume Taillefer|Guillaume Taillefer]] ([[User talk:Guillaume Taillefer|talk]]) 04:22, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:See [[Extension:DPLforum]] (use-case examples are linked to at the bottom of that page). You can also try [[Extension:WikiForum]], see if it still works.
:In case there is going to be ''extensive'' use of forums on your site, maybe it would be better to use a separate dedicated forum application for this purpose, instead of relying on MediaWiki's less ideal solutions. [[User:AhmadF.Cheema|AhmadF.Cheema]] ([[User talk:AhmadF.Cheema|talk]]) 14:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:I was planning on just relying on a separate application (probably phpBB), do you think it would be best if when you click on a discussion page link it will just like to the page of that discussion page in the application? For example if you were on article number 3450 and you click on discussion page then it would bring you to the forum page for article number 3450. Thanks [[User:Guillaume Taillefer|Guillaume Taillefer]] ([[User talk:Guillaume Taillefer|talk]]) 14:25, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:I don't have much experience in this, but my guess would be that if the discussions are expected to be short, then [[Extension:StructuredDiscussions|StructuredDiscussions]] (this is the method used on this page) seems more comfortable for users, but if the discussions are going to be very detailed with lengthy walls of text, then the present default talk pages might be better.
:I personally feel that with paginated (divided into multiple pages) forums like phpBB, casual users might not bother going through the trouble of clicking through each page. On the other hand, MediaWiki discussion pages have everything on one page, it isn't very aesthetic (can be helped through better skins), but casual users participation seems more likely. [[User:AhmadF.Cheema|AhmadF.Cheema]] ([[User talk:AhmadF.Cheema|talk]]) 15:01, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:thank you for the response, I don't think that the length and depth of the amount of pages will be an issue because this is a history/scholarly oriented website that I am creating [[User:Guillaume Taillefer|Guillaume Taillefer]] ([[User talk:Guillaume Taillefer|talk]]) 15:30, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

== Not sure how to make my site mobile friendly ==

I'm a Windows PC kind of guy with a tiny personal wiki (I'm the only editor). I'm making some new game content that will probably attract mostly folks using cellphones for browsing.

When I try to google about making my site mobile-friendly, I find lots of pages about "what to avoid". I don't need this (yet); I simply don't know how to make it mobile at all (yet).

It's hard to find something that just straight-up seems to say "use this to make your site mobile friendly". For example, when I go to Wikipedia, it looks better on my phone and I notice that all the URLs have a "m" in front of them (m.wikipedia.com). But I can't simply put an "m" in front of my little site's URL; it just breaks it.

Based on what I can infer, I am thinking I probably need [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileFrontend Extension:MobileFrontend.] Is that sort of the standard pick for "making your site mobile"?

If I do that, will it automatically sense mobile vs. PC users, and interact relative to that?

Thanks if you can help! [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 14:51, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, pretty much all you need is Extension:MobileFrontend; it will automatically detect users' device as mobile or PC and send them to the appropriate version. On a side note, the "m" in front like (m.wikipedia.''org'') is a separate configuration, you shouldn't need it. [[User:AhmadF.Cheema|AhmadF.Cheema]] ([[User talk:AhmadF.Cheema|talk]]) 15:58, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:Or use a responsive skin like Foreground. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 23:14, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

== Specific Questions, or sharing data type blogs ==

:How does one ask a specific question concerning a movie that is not answered in Wikipedia, Maybe someone else out there would know the answer!
:For example: In the 1937 movie called "Dead End" Humphrey Bogart rarely moves his right arm. What is that all about? There is no source to enlist this question. Those outside of the Wikipedia Staff.
:It would be nice, on the same page as the "Dead End" write up is given, I could ask all those who viewed this movie and know why. [[User:Pmcoms|Pmcoms]] ([[User talk:Pmcoms|talk]]) 17:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
::This is a question for that Wikipedia, and does not seem to be a question about the MediaWiki software. If this is about English Wikipedia, then see [[:w:en:Wikipedia:Questions]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 20:35, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:Generally speaking, Wikipedia staff doesn't work on articles, the articles' content is written by volunteers. Regarding asking questions about specific articles, the appropriate place on Wikipedia are the corresponding Talk pages, see [[wikipedia:Talk:Dead End (1937 film)|Talk:Dead End (1937 film)]]. If no one answers there, you'll have to try your luck at other question/answer forums like Quora etc. [[User:AhmadF.Cheema|AhmadF.Cheema]] ([[User talk:AhmadF.Cheema|talk]]) 17:28, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

== Fatal exception of type Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError ==

When I try to search for any non-existent page on my wiki to create it, I get the Fatal exception of type Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError Error. Below is the full error message.

I am running:

- Mediawiki 1.37.0

- PHP 7.3.31

- MySQL 8.0.27

- Apache2 2.4.38 (on Debian)

I have already tried the 'php update.php' command in the maintenance folder, but this has not fixed the problem.

I would really appreciate any help on this!

'''Full error message:'''

[08e69f8afcb416571eb11ba6] /wiki/index.php?search=common&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError: A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your application's database schema updater after upgrading or after adding a new extension?

Please see <nowiki>https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Upgrading</nowiki> and <nowiki>https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:How_to_debug</nowiki> for more information.

Error 1146: Table 'wikisci_database.searchindex' doesn't exist (34.123.24.126)

Function: SearchMySQL::searchInternal

Query: SELECT page_id,page_namespace,page_title FROM `page`,`searchindex` WHERE (page_id=si_page) AND ( MATCH(si_title) AGAINST('+common ' IN BOOLEAN MODE) ) AND page_namespace = 0 ORDER BY MATCH(si_title) AGAINST('+common ' IN NATURAL LANGUAGE MODE) DESC LIMIT 21

Backtrace:

from /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1809)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1793): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->getQueryException(string, integer, string, string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1768): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->getQueryExceptionAndLog(string, integer, string, string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1327): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->reportQueryError(string, integer, string, string, boolean)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(2012): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->query(string, string, integer)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/DBConnRef.php(68): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->select(array, array, array, string, array, array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/DBConnRef.php(324): Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBConnRef->__call(string, array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/search/SearchMySQL.php(196): Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBConnRef->select(array, array, array, string, array, array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/search/SearchMySQL.php(182): SearchMySQL->searchInternal(string, boolean)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/search/SearchDatabase.php(74): SearchMySQL->doSearchTitleInDB(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/search/SearchEngine.php(156): SearchDatabase->doSearchTitle(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/search/SearchEngine.php(187): SearchEngine->{closure}()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/search/SearchEngine.php(157): SearchEngine->maybePaginate(Closure)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php(447): SearchEngine->searchTitle(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php(228): SpecialSearch->showResults(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>14 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(647): SpecialSearch->execute(NULL)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>15 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1366): SpecialPage->run(NULL)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>16 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(314): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath(string, RequestContext)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>17 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(925): MediaWiki->performRequest()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>18 /var/lib/mediawiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(559): MediaWiki->main()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>19 /var/lib/mediawiki/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>20 /var/lib/mediawiki/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>21 {main} [[User:LJMWiki|LJMWiki]] ([[User talk:LJMWiki|talk]]) 23:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
:Your database is missing the [[Manual:searchindex table|searchindex table]].
:You may create it yourself and then run the [[Manual:rebuildtextindex.php|rebuildtextindex.php]] script. You can find the CREATE TABLE SQL statement inside the maintenance/tables.sql script. [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 12:17, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

== Replacing image logo of a company ==

How do I replace an outdated image on a Wikipedia Commons page? [[User:Twigglee|Twigglee]] ([[User talk:Twigglee|talk]]) 02:53, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
:For policies on some website (e.g. Wikimedia Commons), please ask on that website. See e.g. [[c:Commons:Overwriting existing files]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 09:14, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

== Comment inside the Article ==

Hi

Let's say there are many paragraphs inside an article.

Is there a way to let users click the "Comment" button, and let users comment and other to reply in-between the paragraphs?

thanks [[Special:Contributions/147.8.16.195|147.8.16.195]] ([[User talk:147.8.16.195|talk]]) 07:50, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

== Importing All the categories from wikipedia to my wiki ==

Hello Everyone I need help Importing all the categories namespace on Wikipedia to my wiki...

I know about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export But is there not a way I can import everything in one file..??? Please i need help/ suggestion on how to easily import all page on categories name space to my namespace [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 14:19, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
:If import big files use commandline [[manual:importDump.php]] instead of special:import.
:Also keep in mind that the text on category pages is very different then what pages are in the category (the categorylinks table - there is a special dump for that.) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 22:39, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

== Help! A bunch of new spam accounts! ==

Hi, I have a tiny personal wiki. I kept Account Creation off because I was the only person using it.

Yesterday I turned Account Creation on to let a bona fide colleague make an account and come edit.

This morning I looked at Recent Changes to see what they did and was shocked to find over a hundred new users and pages. 127 bogus new users in fact, over the course of 20 hours and 39 minutes (that's about 1 new user every 10 minutes).

At a glance, it looks like each one made one new page. All on ridiculous stuff like "Good Webpage Design Planning", "Ten Wonderful Led linear Light Hacks", "Hello I am a Danish female", User pages, Online Slot Tournaments ... you name it.

As soon as I saw what was happening, I turned off Account Creation a couple of hours ago. However there continue to be new pages added by the bogus accounts after I turned off Account Creation.

With over a hundred bogus accounts and pages, it would be a super hassle to individually revoke rights and delete users and pages.

Is there some way to do it ''en masse''? Like a page that has a checklist, "delete this user and all edits and pages made by them?" Then I could just checkmark it for the 127 accounts. It would be great to simply remove all that b.s. from my logs and pages so it remains just "my" site when I look back on historical edit logs, etc.

When I google on this, the results are oriented toward non-tiny sites trying to keep spam on their site to a minimum. I don't see anything oriented toward "how to kill a lot of users and their pages all at once".

A quick reply will be appreciated. :-)

P.S. I am using MW v. 1.35.1. I did a backup of my wiki folders shortly before turning on account creation. I guess I could restore that but I'm not sure I'd do it right. Plus I'd have to tiptoe all around the new bona fide edits made by my colleague (on maybe 8 pages). Not impossible, but a hassle plus quite embarrassing to me for this person who kindly ''volunteered'' to help me with some pages. "No wait - stop editing, stop editing! Make your account again! Make all your changes again!", lol [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 14:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
:[[Extension:Nuke]]. [[User:Clump|Clump]] ([[User talk:Clump|talk]]) 14:57, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
:That looks enticing but it only applies to deleting pages, not users themselves. Also it doesn't remove the pages from history.
:Still it's much better than doing it all manually. I thank you for that. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 15:02, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
:There's also more info on [[Manual:Combating spam]] and [[Manual:Combating vandalism]]. The latter has advice on clean-up. [[User:Clump|Clump]] ([[User talk:Clump|talk]]) 15:58, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
:I've had this. I used [[Manual:removeUnusedAccounts.php]] to get rid of the spam accounts, and [[Extension:ConfirmEdit]] with QuestyCaptcha to prevent new ones. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 23:06, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

== Is this a valid way to wipe and restore my entire wiki? ==

Hi, I have a tiny personal wiki that only I can edit. Yesterday I invited somebody else to edit it; that worked fine. But I made the mistake of leaving Account Creation on overnight and got over a hundred new spam accounts and pages [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Wlomimgx4qwr8owf (details here).]

Fortunately, I archived my whole wiki just prior to turning on Account Creation.
Rather than dealing with all the new bogus users and pages (and clutter in my logs and histories for an otherwise very clean site), I'm considering just restoring from the archive. And then use copies of the few changes that that one guest editor did, for them to apply again.

'''Could some kindly expert here tell me if these steps will work?'''

I have been bit ''many'' times by simple-looking operations actually going way south and taking days to recover from. This one sounds like it's asking for it!

My host provider is SiteGround. I used their Site Tools and its File Manager to make a .zip of my wiki, specifically, the public_html, logs, and webstats folders. (Not anything else at a "higher" level!) It's an 820 MB zip; my site is pretty small.

'''''IF''''' this is easy, I imagine I only need to:
#First, make a copy of the four pages that the one legit editor worked on. The entire contents of them.
#Delete the three folders (public_html, logs, and webstat).
#Unzip my mediawiki archive to the same place (root wiki.[my site]).

In theory this should restore it to as it was before, right? Nothing else needed? No "sync" problems somehow? (Though I might need to clear all my PC's browser cookies for my site.)

Then for the legit user who only edited four pages:
#Work with them to have Account Creation open for a brief period, and let them make an account. Then turn it back off again.
#Let them (the new user) replace the four pages with the backups I made.

Since I got copies of the four pages, if they replace the entire page, then all changes will show up as edits they made, right? One of the four pages was their User page (completely new), but the other three were edits here and there on existing pages.

The only thing I can think of that will be lost with this approach is that instead of all their individual edits showing up as they did them the day (yesterday), they'd all now show up as one big edit by them for each page, as of the time they copy in the backup of each page (the one that included their edits from yesterday). We can live with that. Fortunately, they're pretty understanding.

'''Many thanks if you can help.''' Wow this is all so much more work than I ever thought. It never ceases to amaze me how much, lol. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 18:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
:Page contents are stored in the database. It is unclear if your archive includes that, but it sounds like it might not.
:P.s. there is also a feature where if you go to special:createaccount when loggged in as admin,you can invite someone by email (assuming email enabled) without opening it to the world. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 22:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

== How to embed and load a PHP webpage in a MediaWiki webpage? ==

MediaWiki 1.36.1.

I have an empty MediaWiki webpage in which I want to embed and load a PHP file.

*I tried to do so with <code>XMLHttpRequest</code> but the CSS wasn't loaded
*I tried to do so with <code>iframe</code> but it was rendered awfully and I didn't have time to keep "playing" with the <code>iframe</code> tags (unique?) attributes
*I can link to the PHP webpage directly from the sidebar menu but than it would be a standalone webpage lacking all the graphics coming with my MediaWiki theme (logo, etc.) which I don't want

Perhaps fetch is better than XMLHttpRequest (I didn't try).

Anyway, how would you embed and load a PHP file in a MediaWiki webpage? [[Special:Contributions/182.232.144.129|182.232.144.129]] ([[User talk:182.232.144.129|talk]]) 00:10, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

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== How to upload an epub file ==

I am trying to upload some epub files to a private media wiki server. I have added the

$wgFileExtensions[] = 'epub';

to LocalSettings.php. When I try to upload I get the error:

File extension ".epub" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (application/zip).

Even when I select "Ignore any warnings" it refused to upload.

What can I do?

[[User:Lbundle|Lbundle]] ([[User talk:Lbundle|talk]]) 00:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:You could set [[Manual:$wgVerifyMimeType]] to false. This has security implications but should be fine if private server.
:Personally i think we should be less strict with zip files. JAR is no longer a threat. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 08:52, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

== How to change fonts on Sindhi Wikipedia for entire site ==

Hi, the current fonts on Sindhi Wikipedia are not good enough, so I want to change the fonts on Sindhi Wikipedia for entire site, how can I do that.? [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 15:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:Welcome to the support desk for the MediaWiki software. For Wikimedia sites, please see [[meta:Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes]]. Also make sure to explain what exactly the problem is, on which URLs, which text, with which browser(s) on which operating systems. Thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 15:08, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 15:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:You can change them by editing MediaWiki,:common.css if you are an admin [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
::suppose if I ask local interface admin to do this
::font-family: Georgia, "Calibri", Times, "sans-serif";
::be changed to
::font-family: Georgia, "MB Sindhi Sahat ", MB Sindhi Sahat , "MB Sindhi Sahat ";
::??? [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 05:43, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::No, see [[phab:T294773]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 13:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I am admin but I can't edit it, bcz this right is given to local Interface admin, this right should also be given to general admin bcz sometimes local admin are not active on small wikis, in there absence if this right may be given to admins also then they can fix some issues. [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 05:40, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:No, see "Requests" on [[meta:Interface administrators]] what to do instead. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 13:57, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

== PluggableAuth extension how to receive $_POST hidden data without show form to user? ==

Hi, I created a simple authentication extension that works in conjunction with PluggableAuth for the user to login automatically. Currently, I need two parameters: a username and a token. These parameters are generated by an external system that sends the data by hidden input. I can get the url data and authenticate correctly. But for security reasons I want to pass this data via $_POST and not via $_GET. But I cannot receive this data and store it in the session so that I can retrieve it in my authentication class. Basically, the user receives a link from a wiki page and Pluggableauth does the checks. But I can't find what code I can use to save the post in the session and retrieve it later. Does anyone have any examples of how to do this? Thanks!

Edit2: For example, the user accesses the wiki only through an ERP software that directs them to a certain page, already sending the username and a verification token via $_POST, without any user interaction during login/authentication. An example page would be www.minhawiki.com/something. However I can't get the $_POST data as the original landing page www.minhawiki.com/something is not loaded as PluggableAuth directs first to Special:UserLogin, then to PluggableAuthLogin and then to the authentication extension. In none of these steps can I capture the $_POST data. I can only access the data if the system sends it directly to Special:UserLogin but that way I can't authenticate the user or redirect to the landing page

{{FlowMention|Cindy.cicalese}} [[User:BarbaRuivaRK|BarbaRuivaRK]] ([[User talk:BarbaRuivaRK|talk]]) 19:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:Did you try using AuthManager::setAuthenticationSessionData()/AuthManager::getAuthenticationSessionData()? You can see an example at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/extensions/OpenIDConnect/+/refs/heads/master/src/OpenIDConnect.php#228. [[User:Cindy.cicalese|Cindy.cicalese]] ([[User talk:Cindy.cicalese|talk]]) 13:40, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, I tried and I can't get the values coming from $_POST. The idea is that there is no user interaction. It is to be a system integrated with an ERP where it is responsible for sending the username and a token via $_POST to a wiki page and then the authentication system checks the data and then redirects to the original landing page [[User:BarbaRuivaRK|BarbaRuivaRK]] ([[User talk:BarbaRuivaRK|talk]]) 14:26, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

== PortableInfoboxes is unusuable, can this error be solved? ==

When trying to edit any page using the PortableInfoboxes extension, I get this error:

Call to undefined method ObjectCache::getMainWANInstance()

It would seem that this means the extension is accessing something that is no longer supported, and that many others have had this issue with no helpful responses. However, I have been able to see that this extension works for some people... how do I fix this? I have not been able to find any way to deal with this issue, which prevents me from making any edits to the wiki. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:629A:E080:4DA6:4F79:E722:618C|2600:1700:629A:E080:4DA6:4F79:E722:618C]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:629A:E080:4DA6:4F79:E722:618C|talk]]) 22:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:What is [[Extension:PortableInfoboxes]]? Please provide a link and see "Post a new question" in the sidebar. Thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 01:09, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I guess this is probably about [[Extension:PortableInfobox]].
:OP: what version of MediaWiki are you using? You say that {{tq|many others have had this issue with no helpful responses}} — could you link to those discussions? [[User:Samwilson|Sam]] [[User_talk:Samwilson|Wilson]] 01:57, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::I am using version 1.36.2 I believe? It should work with the extension.
::Here are some of the topics ive been able to find:
::[[Topic:Wbvo4h9lu01x07la]]
::[[Topic:W8rihydq6tnadqx5]]
::Usually the response is that other people using the extension have had no issues, and it hasn't been very helpful in my search. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537|2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537|talk]]) 22:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I think it should be using \MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices::getInstance()->getMainWANObjectCache() instead
:Have you tried filing a bug at https://github.com/lkucharczyk/mediawiki-PortableInfobox/issues i dont see anyone else complaining about this issue [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I haven't I guess it seemed like a long shot since some of the issues have gone a few months without response. I should definitely try it though... [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537|2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537|talk]]) 22:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

== Help please! I just broke my wiki, trying to change Manual:$wgPasswordResetRoutes ==
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Hi, I wanted to change my tiny personal wiki (that ONLY I have access to). I wanted to remove the Login / Reset password based on Username, so folks couldn't gork me for fun.

I found this page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgPasswordResetRoutes

And as a result I added this to my LocalSettings.php:
:$wgPasswordResetRoutes 
:[ 
::'username' => false, 
::'email' => true, 
:]

But immediately got this error:

<code>Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '=>' (T_DOUBLE_ARROW), expecting ']' in [redacted]/LocalSettings.php on line 222</code>

I'm a novice to MediaWiki operation. I've tried lots of variations on the above, INCLUDING COMMENTING IT ALL OUT, and it STILL won't let me in.

I get the impression that the error lodged something in the wiki's database (or whatever) that's now effectively broken it.

I have MediaWiki v. 1.35.1

Help please?? I can't get into my wiki at all now.

Edit P.S.: Can some one tell me the ''right'' way to phrase $wgPasswordResetRoutes so it doesn't gork my wiki?

Why would there be a www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual page whose instructions immediately and permanently crash a wiki?

Thanks! [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 15:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:You have a syntaxerror in your LocalSettings.php
:In the directory, you can use <code>php -l LocalSettings.php</code> to check for syntaxerrors on your settings file. Make sure you don't have syntax errors. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 15:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Did you read what I said? Even commenting it out or removing it - restoring back to what it was before I touched it - still gives the exact same error. Yikes it's scary! [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 15:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Check you've saved the file after editing it :-) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:12, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks, btdt, laugh... but yes. I even triple-checked by downloading the updated file (where I commented out the new code that breaks my wiki) to my PC. I confirmed that it is no longer there.
:And my wiki is still completely broken. The entire site or trying to access any page on it gives that error. Even though the offending command is completely gone from LocalSettings.php now.
:How can this be? [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 16:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe type it in again but put the equals sign between the variable name and the [ ] - that missing equals is likely what caused the error.
:Maybe type some obvious nonsense earlier in the file to see whether it causes an error :-) Maybe somehow you have two MediaWiki installations and are editing the wrong one. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:25, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Also a semicolon after the ] [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:26, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe you've not successfully commented it out at all. If you use an editor like Notepad++ it'll make it easy to see using different text colours. Though you did say that completely removing it didn't stop the same error appearing... [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks for trying to help but gosh, isn't it clear that it's not my LocalSettings.php any more? At this point I've completely commented it out, I've completely stripped it out, I even replaced LS.php with a backup copy from February. And I STILL get the same error about a double-arrow at line 222, which doesn't even exist in that file any more. And No, there isn't a second wiki on my site. The only change I did was to the LS.php, which I've since reversed.
:Can we cut to the chase please -
:How can an LS.php entirely break a wiki's php such that it doesn't even matter what the LS.php is any more? How can it be fixed? Please god don't say re-install everything from top to bottom. I have no idea how to do that.
:This is so saddening. It's already so much work and hunting and pecking to try to improve even the smallest thing, like that Password Reset idea. And then I apparently kill my wiki by following simple instructions on a MediaWiki page. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 17:06, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I always blame caching when I can't understand something. Maybe somehow you're getting an old version? Maybe try on a different device that's never seen the error message. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 17:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:It's located on a SiteGround server. Were you thinking it was on my PC or something? I've tried hitting Control-F5 (I'm using Win10) which would rightly upload an old image I re-uploaded. But it doesn't help here. FWIW using your idea, I tried logging on with my phone (which I haven't done in months). It too gives the error. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 17:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:News flash: I am finding that if I access my wiki through specific pages, it ''does'' work just fine. E.g. [site]/wiki/index.php?title=[a specific page]
:Ten out of 12 of these work just fine, if addressed directly, or via links already on my pages. And I can edit them just fine. (That's 10 out of 12 of a recent project page and subpages. I haven't checked my dozens of other older pages.)
:But [site]/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page (my home page) still gives the error, and the page I had been working on at the time I edited my LS.php also gives the error, plus one other I haven't touched in a week.
:Hmm. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 18:08, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Another update: I called my host provider and did what they call a complete backup of everything; the backup was from 12 hours ago (which is fine).
:It did not fix the problem!
:So I have to wonder if it could be some kind of cache issue. But where? On the host server? On my PC? I've completely closed an opened my browser several times. Also used ^F5. No joy. I don't know how the host service caches stuff, or if it even does. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 18:31, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::Note, for server side frontend caching (e.g. varnish, cloudflare, cloudfront, etc) try bypassing the caching by ending &x=1234 at the end of the url.
::This type of caching is usually not on by default (and mw has to be configured special for it to work properly) so that may or may not do anything. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:14, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::That worked! All the pages that previously gave the error (same as in OP) load okay, with &x=1234 appended.
::But if I try to load them yet again without &x=1234, they show the error again. Edit - if I keep reloading them, some are showing okay now without the x=1234.
::Could you please say a little more about what level (where) the caches are? Yet I don't know how to permanently flush caches with the error-causing page. Are they just on my host (SiteGround), or spread out all over (third party site caching for ISPs)?
::Anyway thanks! - at least now I'm seeing that all is not lost.
::And many thanks @Johnathan3 again for trying to hold my hand. Isn't it so weird that the erroneous page would persist as the cached one?? This probably explains how at first, many stayed broke no matter what I did. Then a bunch got better, though I effectively didn't do anything, at least at the point in time they got better (I had fixed LS.php much earlier). And now almost all of them seem okay (fingers crossed). [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 19:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::So its most likely your host (caching proxy middle boxes near the client used to be a thing in like the 90s, but they are extremely rare now). You can verify by checking if the site is broken on multiple computers using different internet connections.
::Most hosts have this sort of thing as an opt-in feature, as frontend caches can sometimes subtley break things.
::Typically the cached entries expire after some time. There is usually a way to manually clear (purge) but it varries depending on the product involved. Sometimes you can use an http purge request (e.g. from linux/mac command line:
::<code>curl 'https://url.to.my.site.com/index.php?title=...' -X PURGE</code>
::but that doesn't always work . [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:Ok, lets take a step back.
:<s>What is the current error message you are getting? Is it the same as the original one?
:What is the current contents of your LocalSettings.php? Can you put the entire thing (redacting any passwords or secret key variables) on to a pastebin so we can see it?</s>
:If there are pages that work, and you can edit those pages (not just view) and have the edits show up, then it is some sort of caching issue and not LocalSettings.php
:If you can, linking to your wiki might also be helpful. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I searched for "Siteground aggressive caching" and there's some information here: https://www.siteground.com/kb/siteground-dynamic-caching-configuration/ "Our Dynamic caching is a full-page caching mechanism powered by NGINX that’s enabled and running by default on all SiteGround servers. Applications that send the appropriate headers to allow caching will achieve unbeatable website loading speed. ... After this initial request, the SiteGround Dynamic Cache will store your page content in the server’s memory and subsequent requests to the same pages will be handled directly from it as shown ..." I don't know whether it's relevant but it might be a start. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::Most likely what's happening is by default mediawiki sends the cache-control header to prevent caching from happening (Unless [[manual:$wgUseCdn|$wgUseCdn]] is set, the default is to set no cache headers). However when LocalSettings.php has an error, no header is set at all. I'm going to guess that siteground interprets no header at all to mean, "it is ok to cache".
::Usually these type of systems also refuse to cache 500 status code responses. Maybe siteground doesn't follow that convention either. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 04:35, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
::Hey Bawolff, am I understanding correctly - if my MW is working properly, then any time I update a page, it ''is'' refreshed in their cache as a matter of course ("automatically")?
::IOW it was a problem with the gorked LS.php and '''''MW not running at all''''' that caused it to ''not'' refresh the cache... which led to my "apparently-systemic" crash.
::That sound right? It would take a load off my mind to know that this is true.
::I wordsmith and do lots of little edits, and haven't noticed anything not immediately updating (when MW is working okay). [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 15:50, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you! I would not have thought to search on that. Obviously it's suspect. At least now I what to look for ... and look out for. I'll call them about it. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 23:12, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::I only searched using the word "aggressive" as I thought it might turn up some complaints :-) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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== "permissiondenied" on wikimedia REST API ==
{{Archive top|result=As {{FlowMention|Bawolff}} pointed out, the right "Create, edit, and move pages" is also required.|status=resolved}}

if this is not the right place to ask this, tell me, I'll delete it.

I am using the mediawiki api to upload a file. I am sending a mutlipart POST request to
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?format=json&action=upload&filename=xxx
I am using oAuth2 , so in the header I include my `Autherzation: Bearer accessToken123` and in the body I include my CSRF token, as well as my multipart file, all as per documentation.

However, the response I get from the server is the following:
"error": {
"code": "permissiondenied",
"info": "The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: *, [[Commons:Users|Users]].",
"*": "See https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php for API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at <https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/mediawiki-api-announce.lists.wikimedia.org/> for notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."
},
"servedby": "mw1448"
This would be quite self-explainatory by itself, however when I check my rights/groups with
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/rest.php/oauth2/resource/profile
I get the following:

<code>"sub":xxxx,"username":"xxxxx","editcount":7,"confirmed_email":true,"blocked":false,"registered":"xxxx", "groups":["*","user","autoconfirmed"], "rights":["read","writeapi","viewmyprivateinfo","abusefilter-view","abusefilter-log","upload","upload_by_url","reupload-own","purge","reupload","autoconfirmed","editsemiprotected","skipcaptcha","abusefilter-log-detail","transcode-reset"], "grants":["basic","uploadfile","uploadeditmovefile","privateinfo"],"realname":"","email":"xxxx"</code>

As you can see I am both a part of the required groups and also have the neccessairy `upload` right. The error message is quite clear, so I don't know what I am missing. It is not the CSRF token or access token, supplying these wrong results in a different error message. Any help is appreciated. [[User:UnderwhelmingToaster|UnderwhelmingToaster]] ([[User talk:UnderwhelmingToaster|talk]]) 09:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:Do you have edit and upload grants configured for your oauth app config. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:33, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}} If i view the key under meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:OAuthConsumerRegistration/list, the Applicable grants are:
::*Interact with media
:::Upload new files; Upload, replace, and move files
::*Access private data about you
:::Access private information
:Is this not sufficient? [[User:UnderwhelmingToaster|UnderwhelmingToaster]] ([[User talk:UnderwhelmingToaster|talk]]) 08:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:You might need "Create, edit, and move pages" since uploading an image involves creating a new page. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 10:31, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:This was indeed the problem, thanks :) [[User:UnderwhelmingToaster|UnderwhelmingToaster]] ([[User talk:UnderwhelmingToaster|talk]]) 11:01, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
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== In which file drop down field logic is mentioned for mediawiki ==
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In which file drop down field logic is mentioned for mediawiki ?

In our case, the drop down field is 'Product Version'. We want to load the product versions from one specific folder locations.

F.e

Navigation\mediawiki\

in the above path, we have created the below folders.

*V1
*V2

We want to load such folder names as DROP down field value. How can we populate such Drop dwon field? in which fie, we need to write the logic? [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 09:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|AshwiniUpasani}} Please stop asking the same thing again and again. Instead, please reply to answers. See [[Topic:Wjbey1qdhxdtaf0y]] and [[Topic:Wjbfhw9i9gfk612a]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 09:44, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Error updating Postgres database to MediaWiki 1.37 ==

MediaWiki Version 1.36.2 > 1.37 beta

Debian 10.11, Postgres 11.13, PHP 7.3

I'm encountering error when upgrade script tries to update database to new version using web interface:

''Changing column type of 'watchlist.wl_namespace' from 'integer' to 'INT'''

''An error occurred:''

''Error 23505: Error: can not create unique index "wl_user_namespace_title"''

''DETAIL: Key (wl_namespace, wl_title, wl_user)=(0, Parijata_-_liść1.jpg, 4) is duplicated.''

''Function: PostgresUpdater::changeField''

''Query: ALTER TABLE "watchlist" ALTER wl_namespace TYPE INT USING 0''

Of course it's duplicated because there are similar rows which differ in wl_namespace only, so when script tries to set it to zero an error occures.

Could you give me an idea of any workaround, please? [[User:MarcinKol|MarcinKol]] ([[User talk:MarcinKol|talk]]) 15:21, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:I would suggest filing a bug at phabricator for this one. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Same here. Upgrade from Version 1.35.1 to 1.36.2. Database PostgreSQL 12 PHP 7.4. Did you write a bugreport? [[Special:Contributions/2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D|2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D]] ([[User talk:2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D|talk]]) 15:27, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Found! T286779 works for me. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D|2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D]] ([[User talk:2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D|talk]]) 18:05, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Text-overflow:ellipsis and no-wrap for tables ==

In my case, the first few letters in the table cells are often enough for the reader, so I want to truncate the columns when needed to fit the screen, along with the cell content using ellipsis ("Abcde...") instead of wrapping the text in multiple lines.

Is there a tool for this function or do I have to apply the necessary CSS to the table (which may require div wraps or additional markup)?

I haven't seen any wiki site using this table style (the full cell content is often important), but is there any practical reason to advise against it?

Here's a GIF illustration (not wiki) of what I'm trying to achieve:

https://gifyu.com/image/ef7H [[Special:Contributions/180.190.110.112|180.190.110.112]] ([[User talk:180.190.110.112|talk]]) 18:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:I think you can just add the CSS to MediaWiki:Common.css [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:13, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

== Both password and Reset password not working? ==
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'''Update / Fix:''' After @Bawolff's recommend, I googled [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug/Login_problems Manual:How to debug/Login problems] and tried logging in using incognito - and it worked. Which told me it was probably my browser's cookies. So I deleted all the cookies in my local Win10 Chrome for my wiki site and voila, no more problem. Thanks everyone!

-----

What the title says. I didn't change my password but my usual one quit working. So I used Reset Password and typed in what it said ... and it ''still'' doesn't work. I keep getting a message that it's wrong that inevitably leads to the error message:
:There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please resubmit the form.
Fortunately I'm not panicked because it's my tiny personal wiki that only has two accounts for me. The one with problems is my User account, but the admin account has no issues and can log on okay. (But I do all edits with the User account, so folks won't see the admin username.)

If I try to google this, all I get are a zillion hits about how to reset my password. Can someone point me in the right direction? I'm using MW 1.35.1.

P.S. In case it matters: Yesterday I had problems that I later id'd as due to host-server caching problems, thanks to helpful people here. I have manually flushed the server cache to make sure that's not a problem. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 18:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:I had this once but can't remember how it resolved itself - there are LocalSettings.php cache settings you can change - search for something like "mediawiki session hijack cache error". [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks, sigh... I commented out everything I tried. I give up for the day:
:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
#See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:T7irqyk4rhfy3ohk
#$wgSessionCacheType = CACHE_DB;
#Made no difference, sigh
#11/3/21: Okay re: Login problem, let's try this from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Tvx6bgsxmwktdye9
#$wgCookieSecure = false;
#Nope.
#11/3/21 ok made folder and try this from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Pjby0sdeg3e60rfy
#session_save_path("temp");
#Nope
#11/3/21 ok try this from https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45575435/mediawiki-login-cancelled-to-prevent-session-hijacking
#$wgMainCacheType = CACHE_MEMCACHED;
#Crashes wiki
</syntaxhighlight> [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 23:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:Ok, i see you already tried $wgSessionCacheType = CACHE_DB;
:That normally fixes the most common cause. If its not that, probably something wrong with how cookies are set. Try looking in browser dev console. Mediawiku debug log may or may not have useful info. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, OMG it WORKED!
:I wasn't sure what you were even talking about... ''what'' "browser dev console"? The browser on my PC? Something on my SiteGround site tools? Cookies on my PC ... or ones on the host server? I have no idea where any of this would be on the host server, or if there even is such a thing.
:So I googled "Mediawiki browser dev console" and the top hit was [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug/Login_problems Manual:How to debug/Login problems]. One of the first bullets here was "Does it persist after clearing cookies for the wiki domain? When logging in in incognito mode?"
:At which point it hit me... Remember I said I could log in with my Admin account just fine, but not Editor account? Well, I had been logging into the Admin account incognito (Win10 Chrome) so it would not confuse my non-incognito Editor logon. So I tried logging into the Editor account incognito... and it worked!
:So then, given what the Manual said, it seemed quite possible that ''my'' cookies (on my own PC browser) were causing the problem. So I deleted all cookies associated with my tiny wiki website... and Bam, I can log in just fine! (not incognito) Problem fixed... it was just my local cookies!
:Wow this week has been a wringer for me. First on Monday I appear to have completely gorked my wiki due to a simple LocalSettings.php typo... but after hours of frustration, it turns out it wasn't my wiki's problem at all... it was my host's aggressive caching retaining the broke wiki (for up to 12 hours!)... who'd have thought that all my desperate fixes were thereby having zero effect? How is anybody supposed to know this? lol
:Then Wednesday I can't log in to my own site. Did I break something trying to deal with the caching problem? So I'm randomly trying crap (shown above) that I have no idea what it is, to fix I know not what. And ultimately, ''again'', it has nothing to do with my actual wiki... it's the cookies on my own PC. What in the heck do they have to do with the logon to a site on a completely separate server? Again, how can this even matter, and how is anybody supposed to know this?
:Anyway, you've rescued me twice now, @Bawolff. Seriously, can I send you some cash via PayPal or something? And @Jonathan3 and others here have tried to help mightily. Many thanks for all your aid!
:Wow MediaWiki and websites in general can be so obtuse. (And of course it's not just MW's problem; it goes for any web work.) It's as if you have to become fluent in 20 different languages and areas of knowledge to do one thing. Nobody told me that before I decided to make my own tiny website, ha ha.
:'''Edit:''' I updated the OP to put the solution up top. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 12:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Translation tools ==

When mediawiki is going to get the new tools available in beta in wikipedia ? I am especially interested in the translation tools to help translate the content of my site. [[User:Monstr6|Monstr6]] ([[User talk:Monstr6|talk]]) 20:32, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:All of these tools are available. However many of them require extensions to be installed.
:Content translation is a bit of a weird one though. Does [[Content translation/Developers/Setup]] help? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks for the info ... Maybe I dont know the right repository for all extensions ? [[User:Monstr6|Monstr6]] ([[User talk:Monstr6|talk]]) 15:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

== Error 406 on some sites ==

Hi,
I'm only an end user but suffer from the problem to be unable to edit quite a few of my pages, there's an error 406.
Forum: https://organindex.de

Software Version
MediaWiki 1.34.1
PHP 7.4.22 (fpm-fcgi)
MySQL 5.7.34-37-log
ICU 65.1

I even created a list of those faulty pages:
https://organindex.de/index.php?title=Kategorie:Defekt

Any clue what's going on here?
Thansk! Martin [[Special:Contributions/2A01:598:81BF:CC7E:3A43:290E:591A:4028|2A01:598:81BF:CC7E:3A43:290E:591A:4028]] ([[User talk:2A01:598:81BF:CC7E:3A43:290E:591A:4028|talk]]) 20:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:406 is an unusual error. Assuming it is happening on normal web browsers, i would say server misconfiguration (probably not at the mediawiki layer but at the webserver layer) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks. These error message indeed redirects (here, oh, I triggered the abusefilter here ("linkspam"), please google "easyname+faq+406", also in english). Probably a firewall problem.
:But only a few sites are affected, for the majority there is no problem. And the blocking for edits seems to bei inifinite. Is it possible that only "heavy users" (as I am) are affected? What could have lead to this? Too many hits? Is the solution to turn the firewall off? Thanks again. [[Special:Contributions/2A01:598:B9A9:505:1124:2323:6CD4:F43E|2A01:598:B9A9:505:1124:2323:6CD4:F43E]] ([[User talk:2A01:598:B9A9:505:1124:2323:6CD4:F43E|talk]]) 04:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:If I look at your list, it seems that all pages that are not editable seem to be page titles with a comma in them, which seems like a likely culprit. There might be a rule somewhere in your web server that is not properly query parameters with comma's in it, for whatever reason. This is very particular to your web server setup and/or hosting platform, so without details on that it's very difficult to say.
:I suggest you get my theory for confirmation and then try to work from that, slowly going through each of the layers of your server to then pinpoint the layer that is messing up. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 10:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:No, the commas are not the culprit, we have them regularly in the titles. But it's of help to know that it is not related to mediawiki but the server config. I also thought that perhaps a faulty backup could have caused this? I see no rule whether a site is affected or not. The problem is I'm not an admin there and so can't investigate further. But I collect your tips for forwarding. Martin [[Special:Contributions/2A01:598:81BA:B9DD:1E45:435:5ED:E4A9|2A01:598:81BA:B9DD:1E45:435:5ED:E4A9]] ([[User talk:2A01:598:81BA:B9DD:1E45:435:5ED:E4A9|talk]]) 11:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Anyone? [[Special:Contributions/89.244.118.114|89.244.118.114]] ([[User talk:89.244.118.114|talk]]) 11:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
:Ah, I just noticed: the problem are linked external sites with PHP (or some other skripts).
:E.g.
:<code>http[s]://www.euleorgelbau.de/front_content.php?idart=106
:but also (afaics)
:htt[p]://orgbase.nl/scripts/ogb.exe?database=ob2&%250=2008372&LGE=NL&LIJST=lang (rmeove brackets, I got a linkspam block)
:If they are removed all is fine (as it was on creation date!) Is this perhaps a server security feature setting? It has really nothing to do with mediawiki. But I have no clue in this thematics.. Martin [[Special:Contributions/80.187.105.91|80.187.105.91]] ([[User talk:80.187.105.91|talk]]) 15:03, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

== LDAP Integration. ==

Hello,

I am trying to setup LDAP auth which will allow only users which belong to a group to be able to login to mediawiki page.

I am new to this and I don't really know if this enough or not for this type of auth.

Please help me out if this conf is ok or what am I missing to make it work.

Thank you!

This s my ldap.jso config:

<code>{</code>

<code> "ad.local": {</code>

<code> "connection": {</code>

<code> "server": "ad.local",</code>

<code> "port": "3268",</code>

<code> "user": "CN=MediawikiAuth,OU=Wiki,OU=Users,DC=ad,DC=local",</code>

<code> "pass": "test123#",</code>

<code> "enctype": "clear",</code>

<code> "options": {</code>

<code> "LDAP_OPT_DEREF": 1</code>

<code> },</code>

<code> "basedn": "dc=ad,dc=local",</code>

<code> "userbasedn": "dc=ad,dc=local",</code>

<code> "groupbasedn": "dc=ad,dc=local",</code>

<code> "searchattribute": "samaccountname",</code>

<code> "usernameattribute": "samaccountname",</code>

<code> "realnameattribute": "displayname",</code>

<code> "emailattribute": "mail",</code>

<code> "grouprequest": "MediaWiki\\Extension\\LDAPProvider\\UserGroupsRequest\\UserMemberOf::factory",</code>

<code> "presearchusernamemodifiers": [ "spacestounderscores", "lowercase" ]</code>

<code> },</code>

<code>"authorization": {</code>

<code>"rules": {</code>

<code>"groups": {</code>

<code>"required": { "WIKI" }</code>

<code> }</code>

<code> }</code>

<code> }</code>

<code>}</code>

and my localsettings.php

<code>// Safe IP or not (for bypassing external login via AD)</code>

<code>$safeIPs = array('127.0.0.1','localhost');</code>

<code>$ipsVars = array('HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR','HTTP_X_REAL_IP','REMOTE_ADDR');</code>

<code>foreach ($ipsVars as $ipsVar) {</code>

<code>if (isset($_SERVER[$ipsVar]) && mb_strlen($_SERVER[$ipsVar]) > 3 ) { $wikiRequestIP = $_SERVER[$ipsVar]; break; }</code>

<code>}</code>

<code>$wikiRequestSafe = (isset($wikiRequestIP) && ( in_array($wikiRequestIP,$safeIPs) ));</code>

<code>// Private Wiki. External LDAP login. Default NS requires login.</code>

<code>$wgEmailConfirmToEdit = false;</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['createaccount'] = false;</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['*']['autocreateaccount'] = true;</code>

<code>$wgBlockDisablesLogin = true;</code>

<code>// Load LDAP Config from JSON</code>

<code>$ldapJsonFile = "/var/www/ldap.json";</code>

<code>$ldapConfig = false;</code>

<code>if (is_file($ldapJsonFile) && is_dir("$IP/extensions/LDAPProvider")) {</code>

<code> $testJson = @json_decode(file_get_contents($ldapJsonFile),true);</code>

<code> if (is_array($testJson)) {</code>

<code># $ldapConfig = true;</code>

<code> } else {</code>

<code> error_log("Found invalid JSON in file: $IP/ldap.json");</code>

<code> }</code>

<code>}</code>

<code>// Activate Extension</code>

<code>if ( $ldapConfig ) {</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'PluggableAuth' );</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'LDAPProvider' );</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'LDAPAuthentication2' );</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'LDAPAuthorization' );</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'LDAPUserInfo' );</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'LDAPGroups' );</code>

<code> $LDAPProviderDomainConfigs = $ldapJsonFile;</code>

<code> $wgPluggableAuth_ButtonLabel = "Log In";</code>

<code> if ($wikiRequestSafe) { $LDAPAuthentication2AllowLocalLogin = true; }</code>

<code>}</code> [[User:Synack99|Synack99]] ([[User talk:Synack99|talk]]) 10:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

== Broken redirects - gateway timeout ==
{{Flow summary|Solution: $wgMiserMode = true and updateSpecialPages.php via crontab}}

MW 1.31.15, PHP 7.2 (productive wiki) - also MW 1.35.4 PHP 7.4 (test wiki)

The special page "broken redirects" always used to run veeery long but it finally came to an end and served the results. For a few weeks now we are encountering a gateway timeout after approx. 30-60 seconds (prod) or 300 seconds (test). This is curious because all relevant timeout settings (Apache & PHP) are 30 seconds and never did matter nor did I ever make a change ... Only thing I changed recently was moving from mod_php to php_fpm (which has its own ini file, yes, but uses the same timeouts). Next thing I don't understand, why does it run very much longer in the test wiki ignoring the timeout settings ...

Here at mediawiki.org, the "broken redirects" page shows a cached page. Very good idea! How can I achieve this? [[Special:Contributions/2003:C2:3F22:8200:245E:7224:C646:1623|2003:C2:3F22:8200:245E:7224:C646:1623]] ([[User talk:2003:C2:3F22:8200:245E:7224:C646:1623|talk]]) 12:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Its related to the size of your wiki.
:See [[manual:$wgMiserMode]] and [[manual:updateSpecialPages.php]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:24, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Excellent! Works. 1000 Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/2003:C2:3F22:8200:BDB0:2F72:D12F:EB85|2003:C2:3F22:8200:BDB0:2F72:D12F:EB85]] ([[User talk:2003:C2:3F22:8200:BDB0:2F72:D12F:EB85|talk]]) 10:29, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

== Deleting users ==

Is there an easy way to delete all inactive users or those who never contributed? I have a wiki which was inactive for 10 years and more than 10K users, most of them are fake/ghosts and never contributed .... Thanks [[User:Monstr6|Monstr6]] ([[User talk:Monstr6|talk]]) 15:09, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Fortunately there is - [[Manual:removeUnusedAccounts.php]]. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 18:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

== Hey folks, how can I help? ==

Wanna make the internet a better place. [[User:Codylodge|Codylodge]] ([[User talk:Codylodge|talk]]) 13:00, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, [[How_to_contribute]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 23:02, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Codylodge}} If you want to contribute on wikipedia then see this [[VisualEditor]] [[User:Tanbirzx|↠Tanbirzx]] [[User talk:Tanbirzx|(✉)]] 19:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
::{{FlowMention|Tanbirzx}} That's a team project page and not particularly helpful? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 11:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
::{{FlowMention|Malyacko}} Oh i am sorry, that is my mistake. [[User:Tanbirzx|↠Tanbirzx]] [[User talk:Tanbirzx|(✉)]] 18:36, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:If you're interested in contributing to wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia is probably a much better page than the visual editor page. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 00:50, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

== Lesson learned: Can't fix a gorked LocalSettings.php; whole wiki hosed? Might only be temporary; host server caching ==
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Hi, this is a cautionary tale that I, an amateur web dev, hope will help others.

A few days ago I made a typo in my LocalSettings.php (LS.php) that appeared to completely break my wiki. No matter how I tried to fix it - even reverting to a LS.php from ''6 months before'' and ''even'' doing a backup of my entire site via a host-server utility - did not appear to fix what was a simple typo. Every page I checked gave the same LS.php error. Here are [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Wjkxucw6dx3t5zaa the gory details] if you want to see.

To jump to the end of a long day of hair-pulling: Thanks to @Jonathan3, @TheDJ, and especially @Bawolff, I found that actually my host provider (SiteGround or SG) was using aggressive server caching. Which is to say that when I typo'd my LS.php, the mistake was cached, and future external page calls only returned the broken file. Desperate, I opened a lot of wiki pages to see which ones worked. All this did was serve them with the cached broken page too, since they all use my LS.php.

After some hours, my various pages gradually magically got better, apparently without me doing anything. (I had applied LS.php fix hours before.) This is because the apparently-fixed pages refreshed their cache page over the course of hours.

On to the fixes:
*Bawolff said try "bypassing the caching by ending '''&x=1234''' at the end of the url.
This type of caching is usually not on by default (and mw has to be configured special for it to work properly) so that may or may not do anything." This worked fine for me and was my first solid clue as to my super-baffling problem. (Experientially it's a real mind bender because you ''know'' you fixed the typo - but everything still appears to stay broken!) But &x=1234 is only a bandaid... you still get the cached page if you don't use it. And of course, other people trying to access your site will not know to add &x=1234.
*Jonathan3 sent me [https://www.siteground.com/kb/siteground-dynamic-caching-configuration/ a page about SG using caching.] You can search on your host's name and caching or aggressive caching to see if it has it (or just use &x=1234 to see if it fixes it).
*In SG's Site Tools (modern equivalent of the old cPanel), there's a place to '''manually flush the cache''' for my whole site (Speed / Caching / Dynamic Caching / Flush Cache). But of course, this is a hassle to do every time you update a page.
*Bawolff added relative to LS.php:
::Most likely what's happening is by default mediawiki sends the cache-control header to prevent caching from happening (unless $wgUseCdn is set, the default is to set no cache headers). However when LocalSettings.php has an error, no header is set at all. I'm going to guess that siteground interprets no header at all to mean, "it is ok to cache".
::Usually these type of systems also refuse to cache 500 status code responses. Maybe siteground doesn't follow that convention either.
:Note that this is saying, it's only a problem with LS.php (or some similar "supra Mediawiki" file). IOW when MediaWiki is working correctly, it refreshes the cache for any wiki pages you update. Thus ordinarily you don't have to worry about your host's caching; updated wiki pages will be re-cached. But when the LS.php (or similar uber-file) breaks, '''you do''' have to worry about caching. Fixes to LS.php can effectively appear to have no effect.
*I talked extensively with SG tech support but they were unapologetic. Even when I explained the nightmare it caused to unaware clients, they said caching "is enabled by default because we would like to ensure the websites hosted on our platforms benefit from optimal response time." They have a plug-in called "SG Optimizer" that specifically refreshes any updated pages (nice!) but wouldn't you know it, it's only for ''WordPress'' (not MediaWiki). Everybody else has to use [https://www.siteground.com/kb/disable-dynamic-caching-website/ clunky all-or-none approaches;] there's no way to refresh the cache only for updated pages. Also their Site Tools don't simply let you turn it off (why not??), although I think you can submit a ticket to request it.

So this is just a cautionary tale that can really trip up a novice. For special files like LS.php, caching can keep showing an error that and make your whole site ''seem'' to be unable to be fixed. SG's caching can last up to '''12 hours!'''

'''''But''''' it only applies to special files like LS.php. Ordinarily - when MediaWiki is working right - it automatically refreshes cached pages for any wiki page you up date.

I'm sure there are other amateurs like me who get walloped hard by this very perplexing problem. Hope this helps. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 14:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Wikiseo setting ==

Hello I am new here please I want to make some settings to my wikiseo.

{{#seo:
|title=Your page title
|titlemode=append
|keywords=these,are,your,keywords
|description=Your meta description
|image=Uploaded_file.png
|image_alt=Wiki Logo
}}

Where will I get the file to use in the

image=Uploaded_file.png

Will I upload it on my Wiki site or I will upload it on my Server.

And secondly what will be in the Image alt. Will I just leave it as Wiki Logo [[User:Zamaniiiipusu|Zamaniiiipusu]] ([[User talk:Zamaniiiipusu|talk]]) 09:15, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, what is "wikiseo"? Please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar first. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 14:19, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
:I haven't used that extension, but im pretty sure its upload to your wiki. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:49, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

== Wiki title on google ==

Hello why does my wiki have this on google

Instead of

Mediawiki

It is like this

- mediawiki

https://paste.pics/aab51d683723fae517185fe43da02444 [[User:Zamaniiiipusu|Zamaniiiipusu]] ([[User talk:Zamaniiiipusu|talk]]) 09:21, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
:You need to ask Google for this. See also [[phab:T289634]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 14:18, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

== can't log in ==

I'm logged in on Edge. But I tried to log in on Chrome. I know my password. The website said it was the wrong password. I changed my password. I still can't log in. What do I do next? [[User:Reluctantspy|Reluctantspy]] ([[User talk:Reluctantspy|talk]]) 01:54, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:I guess the new password just took awhile. I'm logged in now. had to create a new account with a new name to access this help page.
:But now I have a new problem. I have 1 review for my book but it was posted before I sent the books out. How does that happen? And there is no actual review. Just a star rating. [[User:Reluctantspy|Reluctantspy]] ([[User talk:Reluctantspy|talk]]) 02:10, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:I think you're in the wrong place. Note, we are not associated with librarything if that's what you're talking about. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

== timestamp of the last contribution ==

Hello,

I would like to know if there is something that displays the timestamp of the last contribution of a user

Thank you [[Special:Contributions/77.152.229.29|77.152.229.29]] ([[User talk:77.152.229.29|talk]]) 14:38, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:The bottom of any page in MediaWiki has "Last edited: date, time" —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 18:06, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|TheDJ}}Thank you very much for this answer but I was looking for a way to display in a text the timestamp of the last contribution of a user for example the timestamp of my last contribution. [[Special:Contributions/77.152.229.29|77.152.229.29]] ([[User talk:77.152.229.29|talk]]) 16:43, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:You cannot currently do that, because there is no cache invalidation for that pattern (the rendering page would have to be informed each time the listed editor makes an edit) —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 19:02, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:Ok, thank you ! [[Special:Contributions/77.152.229.29|77.152.229.29]] ([[User talk:77.152.229.29|talk]]) 16:53, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

== Configuring LocalSettings: CSS not loading ==

Yes I know its a common issue but after browsing a few threads I still didn't get it to work. I am not a skilled sysadmin :(

I tried setting up a propper domain name using noip /ddns. Worked fine. Then I tried to change my default index landing page and added a .htaccess file. It did change my landing page but broke my site --> CSS not loading anymore.

Deleting the htaccess file didn't undo the error.

Inspecting the site I get the following error:

''Refused to apply style from '<nowiki>http://eidoswiki.ddns.net/eidosWiki/load.php?lang=en&modules=skins.vector.styles.legacy&only=styles&skin=vector'</nowiki> because its MIME type ('text/html') is not a supported stylesheet MIME type, and strict MIME checking is enabled.''

I believe it has to do something with my LocalSettings. I changed the wgServer variable. Any pointers into the right direction are very much appreciated :) Kind regards [[Special:Contributions/2003:C1:F20:F65D:28D4:C742:D930:E1E4|2003:C1:F20:F65D:28D4:C742:D930:E1E4]] ([[User talk:2003:C1:F20:F65D:28D4:C742:D930:E1E4|talk]]) 18:06, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:It looks like something is still wrong with rewrite rules. Are you sure you fully deleted .htaccess?
:http://eidoswiki.ddns.net/eidosWiki/load.php is being redirected to your landing page. It should not be. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 00:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:I have indeed removed the htaccess file in question. It still does not work.
:I changed the $wgServer var back to its ip aka "http----://123.123.123.123". I still have no clue why it is still redirecting tho...
:The only other htaccess files I could find were in subdirectories of the wiki root folder (which as far as I know are there by default) [[Special:Contributions/2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639|2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639]] ([[User talk:2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639|talk]]) 15:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:(Please ignore the extra lines in the link, but I tripped the anti link spam somehow :P) [[Special:Contributions/2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639|2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639]] ([[User talk:2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639|talk]]) 15:56, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

== Add revision comment after save ==

Is it possible to add a revision comment (to be seen in page history etc) if none was typed at the time of the edit? Thanks. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:08, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:Not without manual db intervention.
:Sometimes people use tags for after the fact annotations. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 00:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

== Broken "next page" link on category page. ==

I have a category which has gone past the 200 mark. My media wiki shows the first 200 pages:

The following 200 pages are in this category, out of 238 total.
However it shows only the following below that:
(previous page) ()

The "next page" is not showing and I would like to fix it.

I am on media wiki 1.36.1 with PHP 7.45.25 and PostgreSQL 13.4. Also I have Cargo 3.0 installed

Thanks [[User:Lbundle|Lbundle]] ([[User talk:Lbundle|talk]]) 01:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:Try running [[Manual:recountCategories.php|recountCategories.php]] (do it one time for each --mode). If that doesn't fix it, run:
:[[manual:updateCollation.php|updateCollation.php]] --force [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:33, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:I have tried all the recountCategories and updateCollation and it did not help. The problem seems to be in the code generated:
:(previous page) (
: <a href="/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Books&amp;amp;pagefrom=Lewis+Carroll+in+Numberland%0Alewis+carroll+in+numberland#mw-pages" title="Category:Books"></a>
: )
:It seems to generate the right code, but somehow is missing the "next page" between <nowiki><a> and </a></nowiki>. Is my installation faulty?[[User:Lbundle|Lbundle]] ([[User talk:Lbundle|talk]]) 14:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:Oh weird. I have no idea. If the message was missing the output should be different. I guess its some sort of weird bug.
:You could try adding &uselang=qqx to end of page to figure out message name, and see what the corresponding mediawiki namespace page is set to [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Bawolff,
:I have added ?uselang=qqx and the next page link does show up as 'next-page'. Also if I choose French as a language it shows the page link. Anything with a fallback to English seems to fail. I have checked in i18n/en.json for any obvious problems and all the translations seem to be there. This is a mystery.
:In the meantime I have $wgCategoryPagingLimit set to 1000 to mitigate the issue for now.
:[[User:Lbundle|Lbundle]] ([[User talk:Lbundle|talk]]) 13:29, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Using copy of Wikipedia template 'Tlg' on fandom.com yields Lua error ==

I was trying to implement Wikipedia's 'Template link general' template (and related templates), along with the required modules. Everything went smoothly until I tried using the template, at which point it resulted in this error message: "'''Lua error in Module:Template_link_general at line 119: attempt to concatenate local 'titlePart' (a nil value)."'''. (When using <nowiki>{{tlc}}</nowiki> as follows: <nowiki>{{tlc|=}}</nowiki>.)

I tried using <nowiki>{{tlg}}</nowiki> and I'm not too sure what the result means in terms of if I've done things right, but it <nowiki>({{tlg|=}})</nowiki> yielded: <nowiki>{{'''Template:=/doc'''}}</nowiki> formatted as seen here. This is the name of the page that it was being used on (the template's <nowiki>({{=}})</nowiki> documentation page).

I asked on Wikipedia's 'Teahouse' (for a related but not identical issue), Wikipedia's 'Live Help Channel'-thing, and Wikipedia's help desk until someone helpfully pointed out that asking here would probably be a better idea, so here I am!

I should also point out that I'm not entirely sure if I'm using the correct (or at least proper) template for the job. I was really just trying to replicate a style I saw on Wikipedia and it was done using these templates, although I'm not sure what these are actually meant for. So, another solution could be to find a work around to achieve the same effect through a different method? (If that makes even a lick of sense!)

Either way, any help is greatly appreciated!

I would give the name of the wiki but its kinda cringy so I'm hoping I might not need to (though it seems that I will have to) as to not embarrass myself!

Anyway I've rambled enough, so I'll leave it to you experts! - Pigeon <3 [[User:Thatgaypigeon|Thatgaypigeon]] ([[User talk:Thatgaypigeon|talk]]) 11:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:P.S. Sorry for the bad and unreadable formatting :/ [[User:Thatgaypigeon|Thatgaypigeon]] ([[User talk:Thatgaypigeon|talk]]) 11:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:Replied at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=1054183500#Use_of_'Tlg'_template_on_fandom.com_causes_Lua_error after coming here to see the wrong usage of the templates which wasn't posted to Wikipedia. An unnamed parameter cannot contain an ordinary equals sign. You can write <code><nowiki>{{tlc|1==}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{tlc|{{=}}}}</nowiki></code>. It's the same with <code><nowiki>{{tlg}}</nowiki></code>. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:Oh, got it. Thank you so much! <3 [[User:Thatgaypigeon|Thatgaypigeon]] ([[User talk:Thatgaypigeon|talk]]) 13:14, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

== Is there any ways to make an html link open a LAN folder? ==

We have users want to link to files directly on the LAN into the wiki pages. Is there any ways to do that? [[User:Frizzow|Frizzow]] ([[User talk:Frizzow|talk]]) 06:05, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
:[[Help_talk:Links#How_to_link_with_a_local_file?]] —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 09:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

== Incorrect or missing CAPTCHA. ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

[https://wiki-square.win/index.php/Watch_Out:_How_wizardofozslot.org_spartacus_Is_Taking_Over_and_What_to_Do_About_It https://wikisquare.win/index.php/Watch_Out:_How_wizardofozslot.org_spartacus_Is_Taking_Over_and_What_to_Do_About_It] want to create account even answering correct it is sayinh Incorrect or missing CAPTCHA. [[User:Suneetrana1989|Suneetrana1989]] ([[User talk:Suneetrana1989|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:You have to ask site admin of that wiki. We cant help. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:26, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:ok.Thanks [[User:Suneetrana1989|Suneetrana1989]] ([[User talk:Suneetrana1989|talk]]) 07:42, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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== help with some error ==

what usually cause this

'''Lua error in Module:TNT at line 159: Missing JsonConfig extension; Cannot load https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:I18n/Uses TemplateStyles.tab.''' [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 06:20, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Its caused by not having [[extension:JsonConfig]] (warning, its a bit of a pain to get working) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== wikibase/wikidata related question ==

== HElp with index.php ==

I changed my inde.php to wiki

it was like this before

https://en.wikipedia.org/index.php/Main_Page

and now it is like this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

but the problem is both of them are working...

If you check wikipedia own here https://en.wikipedia.org/index.php/Main_Page it said file not found... How do i set mine to that way??? [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 07:13, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:However,
:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php/Main_Page is found
:You can move index.php to a different place, but its important it still exists somewhere. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
::How How do I move the file without it causing problem.... Which path do you think i should move it to...On shared hosting [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 07:34, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
::You need to make sure $wgScriptPath (and possibly htaccess stuff) corresponds to whereever you move it, otherwise you can just move the mediawiki directory. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:How do I set up this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php/Main_Page I mean [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 07:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Main Page title hide ==
{{Archive top|result=the css was modified|status=resolved}}

Hello i hide my Main Page Title last month ..... today I Imported some template .. now it is back..what can i do? [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 07:19, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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== MediaWiki "broken" - professionel help wanted. ==

I have been running a Mediawiki for several years. Sadly I have never bothered to acquaint myself with how to back it up or update it. The Wiki cannot access the information in the database, although the database itself seems intact. Help (also payed help) would be gratly appreciated.

Tillman [[User:RembertRover|RembertRover]] ([[User talk:RembertRover|talk]]) 10:16, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar. Please share error messages instead of paraphrasing them, and please share where exactly these messages come from, and how you get to conclusions. Thanks a lot! [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 11:23, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Migration from Sharepoint to Mediawiki ==

Hi Team,
Is there any migration tool available that will covert from Sharepoint site contents to Mediawiki format? Please suggest valuable solution for the same.
Thanks [[Special:Contributions/1.39.78.247|1.39.78.247]] ([[User talk:1.39.78.247|talk]]) 10:37, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Team,
:There is a ticket(#2021110810004251) has been raised for the same query. Please help us
:Thanks [[Special:Contributions/1.39.78.247|1.39.78.247]] ([[User talk:1.39.78.247|talk]]) 10:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:(There is no "team", we are communities.) Ticket where (URL)? Please provide sufficient context - thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 11:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Is there any way to output Markdown in MediaWiki? ==

MediaWiki 1.36.1

I save the MediaWiki input containing Markdown just as I would save any other MediaWiki page but I need it to output the Markdown just an Markdown would be outputted anywhere else which supports Markdown (say, GitHub). [[Special:Contributions/49.230.139.94|49.230.139.94]] ([[User talk:49.230.139.94|talk]]) 12:51, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe this unmaintained extension?
:[[Extension:Markdown]] [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:23, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Remove a link from left sidebar menu of wiki. ==

Hi Team,

If we want to remove any link like download as pdf from my side bar menu.

pls suggets how to remove that one.

{| class="wikitable"
|[https://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki]
|1.35.3
|-
|[https://php.net/ PHP]
|7.4.23 (apache2handler)
|-
|[https://www.mysql.com/ MySQL]
|8.0.26
|-
|[http://www.lua.org/ Lua]
|5.1.5
|} [[User:Pooja2425|Pooja2425]] ([[User talk:Pooja2425|talk]]) 13:47, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Is this something that's in the Mediawiki:Sidebar page? [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
::yes {{FlowMention|Jonathan3}} i need to remove a single link from mediawiki side bar .
::pls suggest any solution. [[User:Pooja2425|Pooja2425]] ([[User talk:Pooja2425|talk]]) 09:52, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:Remove the collections extension (if you dont want it) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:43, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:HI {{FlowMention|Bawolff}},
:By Removing Collection extension it removed the all links under Print/export .
:I just need to remove one single link ie.
:*[https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:DownloadAsPdf&page=Topic%3AWk2mi249e2li4k9h&action=show-download-screen Download as PDF] [[User:Pooja2425|Pooja2425]] ([[User talk:Pooja2425|talk]]) 09:15, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:You can hide with css in mediawiki:common.css (although i dont know what the selector is) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:55, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:Try this in MediaWiki:Common.css:
:<syntaxhighlight>
#coll-download-as-rl {
display: none;
}
</syntaxhighlight>
:I've not checked it but from looking at https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Help:Books, which uses the Collection extension, it looks like it might work. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 23:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== What is wrong with this API.php call? ==

While logged on to my wiki, one of my Javascripts does the following:

```

var xhr = new XMLHttpRequest();

var url = "/wiki4/api.php";

var params = {action: "purge", titles: title, format: "json"};

xhr.open ('POST', url, true);

xhr.setRequestHeader("Content-Type", "application/json;charset=UTF-8");

xhr.send(JSON.stringify( params ));

```

I get back HTML (instead of json) and the contenst is the Mediawiki Api help.

What am I doing wrong? [[Special:Contributions/2003:E7:5705:8000:1D2E:F0CF:5268:FE93|2003:E7:5705:8000:1D2E:F0CF:5268:FE93]] ([[User talk:2003:E7:5705:8000:1D2E:F0CF:5268:FE93|talk]]) 17:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:You are sending the arguments as json. This is not supported. Send as application/x-www-form-urlencoded [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:42, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

== How can people give money to wikimedia ==

I am severely disabled. I have limited resources. Thus I rely on the generosity of the open source movement to survive. I contribute where I can. But one thing I can do is contribute money. Its not much and usually happens by money I have saved from my food budget (this is not a bad thing - I need autophagy to heal myself - but it helps keep me going by thinking I am contributing to an external project)

When I am asked to, and if I can, I contribute money to wikipedia but that's not wikimedia, and wikimedia supports a lot of things I use. Yet try as i might I can see how to give money when I can to wikimedia. I am sure you probably raise money from charitable foundations, companies etc, and I'm just a user but I want to help and sometimes money is all I can give

I have searched on how to contribute and there is no obvious route to giving money. Could wikimedia set up a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberapay account so I could contribute via that? I would prefer to not use tools such as Patreon - who whilst a great company, they do charge a tax on every contribution

Sorry for not logging in. I am trying to remember my user identity on here and if I can add it to this after I manage to log in I will. Thank you for your time. Kate [[Special:Contributions/82.6.141.57|82.6.141.57]] ([[User talk:82.6.141.57|talk]]) 13:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi and thanks! :) Please see https://donate.wikimedia.org/ , as this page is more about questions how to use the MediaWiki software instead. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 15:11, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:Wikimedia supports wikipedia and other things. The wikipedia brand is put first because it is more recognizable. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:53, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

== Fatal error in update ==

I upgraded from MediaWiki version 1.31 to version 1.35/1.36, and I got various errors. When I tried to replace the files in my AbuseFilter, I got this:

'''Fatal error''': Uncaught Error: Class 'MediaWiki\Extension\AbuseFilter\FilterUser' not found in /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/extensions/AbuseFilter/includes/ServiceWiring.php:104 Stack trace: #0 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(125): require() #1 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(410): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->loadWiringFiles(Array) #2 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(248): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices::newInstance(Object(GlobalVarConfig), 'load') #3 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/includes/exception/MWExceptionHandler.php(129): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices::getInstance() #4 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/includes/exception/MWExceptionHandler.php(184): MWExceptionHandler::rollbackMasterChangesAndLog(Object(Error), 'mwe_handler') #5 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/includes/exception/MWExceptionHandler.php(156): MWExceptionHandler::handleException(Object(Error), 'mwe_handler') #6 [internal function]: MWExc in '''/home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/extensions/AbuseFilter/includes/ServiceWiring.php''' on line '''104''' [[User:Newman2|Newman2]] ([[User talk:Newman2|talk]]) 14:47, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:What exactly does "trying to replace the files in my AbuseFilter" mean? Please be very specific. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 15:10, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:I'm going to guess that you have copied the old extension folder across to your new version of MediaWiki. How about downloading the AbuseFilter extension's latest version instead? [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:58, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== How to use Google Analytics for my wiki? ==

Hey everyone. Hope all is well.

I currently opened a new account for google analytics to track my wiki. I was able to install and configure the HTML extension to my wiki and added the script what was given by google analytics. Now i am confused as to how to track each page on my wiki. not sure where to go from here. Can someone please help and provide instructions? I've checked several sources online for this but im not the most tech-savy person so a lot of the instructions are quite confusing to me.

TIA [[User:Thepainking|Thepainking]] ([[User talk:Thepainking|talk]]) 18:29, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar, and link to the exact extension this is about. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 20:35, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

== Error after update 1.26.4 to 1.35.4 ==
{{Archive top|result=fixed ;)|status=resolved}}

Hey everyone.

After update my MediaWiki to 1.35.4 i get the following error:

[d2973f697a062572400be24f] /WikiCallisto/ Wikimedia\Assert\ParameterTypeException from line 105 of /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/vendor/wikimedia/assert/src/Assert.php: Bad value for parameter $legacyEncoding: must be a string

Backtrace:

<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/Storage/SqlBlobStore.php(175): Wikimedia\Assert\Assert::parameterType(array, boolean, string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/Storage/BlobStoreFactory.php(114): MediaWiki\Storage\SqlBlobStore->setLegacyEncoding(boolean)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/Revision/RevisionStoreFactory.php(127): MediaWiki\Storage\BlobStoreFactory->newSqlBlobStore(boolean)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/ServiceWiring.php(1026): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStoreFactory->getRevisionStore()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(447): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->{closure}(MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(416): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->createService(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(1120): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->getService(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(540): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices->getRevisionStore()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(445): MessageCache->loadFromDB(string, NULL)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(368): MessageCache->loadFromDBWithLock(string, array, NULL)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1108): MessageCache->load(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1034): MessageCache->getMsgFromNamespace(string, string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1005): MessageCache->getMessageForLang(Language, string, boolean, array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(947): MessageCache->getMessageFromFallbackChain(Language, string, boolean)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>14 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/language/Message.php(1304): MessageCache->get(string, boolean, Language)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>15 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/language/Message.php(862): Message->fetchMessage()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>16 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/language/Message.php(954): Message->toString(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>17 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/Title.php(661): Message->text()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>18 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/MediaWiki.php(131): Title::newMainPage()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>19 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/MediaWiki.php(151): MediaWiki->parseTitle()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>20 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/MediaWiki.php(902): MediaWiki->getTitle()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>21 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/MediaWiki.php(543): MediaWiki->main()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>22 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>23 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>24 {main}

Does anyone know what went wrong with the update?

Thank you in advance for your help. [[User:Cwrulez|Cwrulez]] ([[User talk:Cwrulez|talk]]) 00:25, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:The issue emerges from an extension calles "WikiCallisto". Unfortunately this extension is not described on mediawiki.org. I also didn't find any information about it on the web. It is probably some customization made specifically for callisto.com.br.
:The extension probably just has compatibility issues with the new MediaWiki version.
:You may check the file <code>/var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/extension.json</code> or <code>/var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/WikiCallisto.php</code> to find out about potential maintainers. [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 09:14, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Osnard, thanks for your reply.
:But "WikiCallisto" is not a extension.
:var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/ is a MediaWiki root.
:'''-> Files not found:'''
:var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/extension.json
:and
:/var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/WikiCallisto.php
:'''-> "/var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/extensions" dir list:'''
:- CategoryTree
:- Cite
:- CiteThisPage
:- CodeEditor
:- ConfirmEdit
:- Gadgets
:- ImageMap
:- InputBox
:- Interwiki
:- LocalisationUpdate
:- MultimediaViewer
:- Nuke
:- OATHAuth
:- PageImages
:- ParserFunctions
:- PdfHandler
:- Poem
:- Renameuser
:- ReplaceText
:- Scribunto
:- SecureLinkFixer
:- SpamBlacklist
:- SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
:- TemplateData
:- TextExtracts
:- TitleBlacklist
:- VisualEditor
:- WikiEditor
:Any suggestions to fix this problem?
:Thank you in advance for your help. [[User:Cwrulez|Cwrulez]] ([[User talk:Cwrulez|talk]]) 12:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:'''Problem fixed ;)'''
:'''-> change this line in "LocalSettings.php"'''
:$wgLegacyEncoding = true;
:to
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>$wgLegacyEncoding = true;
:Nice !!!! [[User:Cwrulez|Cwrulez]] ([[User talk:Cwrulez|talk]]) 19:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
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== How to give MediaWiki webpages a minimal length correctly? ==

MediaWiki 1.36.1.

I have added a sticky "Call now" bar to my website.

It should appear horizontally, in the bottom of the viewport, in all webpages.

==My problem==
My problem is that in very "short" webpages (for example, in search pages were there are no search results) the sticky call now button doesn't stick to the bottom of the viewport.

==Image examples==

*'''ibb.co/56sdm3k''' (sticking to the bottom)
*'''ibb.co/X7GNQvv''' (doesn't stick to the bottom)

==My question==
How to solve that problem?

I thought about using CSS to give all MediaWiki webpages some minimal-height, maybe. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.139.94|49.230.139.94]] ([[User talk:49.230.139.94|talk]]) 03:22, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:If you're using position:fixed css on the call now button, and none of the parent elements have transform, perspective, or filter css properties set, it shouldn't matter how big the page is. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:15, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks, I should explore that approach. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.140.152|49.230.140.152]] ([[User talk:49.230.140.152|talk]]) 05:46, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}} there is a problem with fixed positioning in that usecase --- you may want to check the following discussion in SitePoint, from today:
:sitepoint.com/community/t/how-to-make-a-position-fixed-bar-not-to-cover-the-footer/377614 [[Special:Contributions/49.230.140.152|49.230.140.152]] ([[User talk:49.230.140.152|talk]]) 15:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

== Creating wikidata ==

Hello is it possible to clone Wikidata with the Dumps files.. I want to create a data wiki like wikidata.. And i am thinking of downloading the dump... Will it work.. or is there another way?? [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 10:54, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:yes, but it can be a bit of an involved process. Checkout also WBStack. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:13, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

== Errorwhile updating to 1.35.4 ==

When updating from '''1.34.4''' to '''1.35.4''' an error is occuring:

''Set the local repo temp zone container to be private.''

''Purging caches...done.''

''LogicException from line 406 of /var/www/websitepath/includes/cache/MessageCache.php: Process cache for 'en' should be set by now.''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/websitepath/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1108): MessageCache->load('en')''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/www/websitepath/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1034): MessageCache->getMsgFromNamespace('Seconds-abbrev/...', 'en')''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/websitepath/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1005): MessageCache->getMessageForLang(Object(LanguageEn), 'seconds-abbrev', true, Array)''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/websitepath/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(947): MessageCache->getMessageFromFallbackChain(Object(LanguageEn), 'seconds-abbrev', true)''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/websitepath/includes/language/Message.php(1304): MessageCache->get('seconds-abbrev', true, Object(LanguageEn))''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/websitepath/includes/language/Message.php(862): Message->fetchMessage()''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/websitepath/includes/language/Message.php(954): Message->toString('text')''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/websitepath/languages/Language.php(4637): Message->text()''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/websitepath/maintenance/update.php(206): Language->formatTimePeriod(0.41333699226379)''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/websitepath/maintenance/doMaintenance.php(107): UpdateMediaWiki->execute()''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/websitepath/maintenance/update.php(253): require_once('/var/www/websitepa...')''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 {main}''

MediaWiki: '''1.35.4'''

PHP: '''7.3.31'''

Mysql:

+-------------------------+-------------------------+

| Variable_name | Value |

+-------------------------+-------------------------+

| innodb_version | '''5.7.36''' |

| protocol_version | 10 |

| slave_type_conversions | |

| tls_version | TLSv1,TLSv1.1,TLSv1.2 |

| version | 5.7.36-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 |

| version_comment | (Ubuntu) |

| version_compile_machine | x86_64 |

| version_compile_os | Linux |

+-------------------------+-------------------------+

I hope someone can help me. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:810D:47C0:2D2D:885:9953:362D:1259|2A02:810D:47C0:2D2D:885:9953:362D:1259]] ([[User talk:2A02:810D:47C0:2D2D:885:9953:362D:1259|talk]]) 16:40, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:Do you have any custom Localization cache of Message cache config set that's not the default? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:12, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:There is a Phabricator task about it [[:phabricator:T258860]] and this message is seen on MediaWiki 1.35, 1.36, 1.37 in various contexts and seems to be caused by timeouts (and memcached down from one reporter). One context is CirrusSearch described on [[:phabricator:T288233|task T288233]] where is solved for 1.37.
:Waiting for a more robust resolution, perhaps the workaround for CirrusSearch [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/CirrusSearch/+/713340/] could work for the update script <code>maintenance/update.php</code> around line 206:
:<syntaxhighlight lang="diff">
$time2 = microtime( true );
+ try {
+ wfMessage( 'ok' )->text();
+ } catch ( \LogicException $e ) {
+ // The first failure should trigger the fallback mode, this second
+ // try should work (and not throw the LogicException deep in the updates).
+ wfMessage( 'ok' )->text();
+ }

$timeDiff = $lang->formatTimePeriod( $time2 - $time1 );
$this->output( "\nDone in $timeDiff.\n" );
</syntaxhighlight> ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 14:18, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

== Instantly move up the translation page ==
{{Archive top|result=Tracked and fixed in [[:phabricator:T295655]].|status=resolved}}

On Special:Translate, where the largest number of messages is used, there is an unpleasant bug. If you reach the lowest messages, the page flips you to the top of the page, and then you don't know where you left off. Can you fix this problem? [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 22:39, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|DDPAT 2.0}} We here cannot; developers could with good instructions to reproduce. Please see [[How to report a bug]] - thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:34, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:Does [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual/uk&offset=&limit=500&action=history this] also apply to that tool? [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 00:40, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:To understand the issue, developers need to know your platform and software:
:*browser: Firefox/Chrome/Edge/Safari… + version
:*type of device: smartphone/computer/tablet…
:*preferably operating system: Windows, MacOS, Android, Linux…
:Could you create [[:en:Screencast|a screencast]] to capture a video of the issue?
:(Personnally, when I open [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Extension%3AScribunto%2FLua+reference+manual&action=page&filter=&language=uk Special:Translate] and go to the end of the page, more translation units are loaded during a few seconds, then appears after and the page remains where it is without moving.) ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 13:36, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:I have a Windows 10 Pro computer. I use Google Chrome with constantly updated versions. I will make the video a little later and drop it here (if I can without the use of video services). [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 13:41, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:I don't know how to share videos here, and I also can't upload to some Wikimedia. [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 17:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Can you upload it on Phabricator [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/file/upload/ with this form]?
:If you never logged in on Phabricator, you can use your Wikimedia account: on Phabricator, click on 'Log in' to top right, click on 'Log In or Register with MediaWiki', you will be redirected to MediaWiki.org website, click on 'Authorize', then you should be able to upload the file with the link above.
:(I hope your file will be accepted there, else I guess it should be accepted [[:commons:Special:UploadWizard|on Commons]].) ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 18:06, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Well, the download was successful. [[phab:F34746286|Here is the link]]. [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 18:14, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:I was able to reproduce it with Firefox 94 on Linux (Debian), so it’s probably reproductible with the video on multiple browsers. I remark it is only on the first tab (“List”) but there is no issue on the other tabs “Page” or “Review”.
:Do you want to open the bug yourself on Phabricator, or I do it? (If you want, it is [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/43/ this form] from “Report a Software Bug” on top right.) ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 18:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, if possible, create a request yourself, because I do not understand its form. [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:The task is created: [[:phabricator:T295655]]. You should receive email notifications when there are new comments.
:I identified the issue (see my comment on the task); this behaviour was created to open the first “transation unit” (=message to be translated) on small pages (less than 100 translation units) like [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Template%3AMain+page&action=translate&filter=&language=uk this page]. In my opinion, this behaviour is fine in this case. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 20:12, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:The patch is merged! It will be included in the deployment tomorrow on mediawiki.org, see [[MediaWiki 1.38/wmf.9]]. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 07:41, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Deployed on mediawiki.org! ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 17:03, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== When to use namespace & repurpose the Project namespace. ==

Hi! I am thinking of using MediaWiki for my company's internal knownledge management system. One of the use cases is to document every project we have done throughout the years. The most straightforward way is probably to create a page in the Main namespace for each project and stick it to a Projects category, but I am also tempted to repurpose the built-in Project namespace to create pages like Project:ProjectCode, since it seems so intuitive to do so. I also want to create pages representing elements in our organization chart, so maybe something like Organization:OrgName.

My question here is two-fold:

#When should I use namespace instead of category to categorize my pages? What differences does it make? I know namespace pages (as in not Main namespace) get difference names and URLs. Also namespaces are often used for authorization purpose, and are more difficult to create (require specific privilege). But is there any other factor I should consider?
#In case of namespace, is there any problem if I repurpose the built-in Project namespace for my own use? As far as I know the Project namespace is supposed to be used for information about the Wiki itself, but otherwise it has no special feature or mechanic compared to the Main namespace, so it should be safe to use, but also somehow feels wrong to me.

Thank you for your time! [[Special:Contributions/27.72.96.31|27.72.96.31]] ([[User talk:27.72.96.31|talk]]) 05:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:For 1) up to you. Namespaces are a bit more heavyweight in that you can select them at search, and recentchanges, etc.you can also customize them easier. Pages can only be in one namespace but can be in many categories. But there is no right or wrong answer here.
:2) you can use project however you want - there's really nothing special about it beyond being builtin. Keep in mind its not [[manual:$wgContentNamespaces|$wgContentNamespaces]] by default (but you can add it) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 22:30, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:If you want to reuse the namespace 'Project', be aware this namespace is parametrised by [[Manual:$wgMetaNamespace|$wgMetaNamespace]], defaulting to the site name; you should probably set this parameter to 'Project' to force the use of the word 'Project'.
:On the French-speaking Wikipedia, there is a use of a namespace 'Projet' a bit similar to yours, used for thematic coordination about the editorial contents of the main namespace (see [[:fr:Projet:Accueil|main page of this namespace]]); in their case, it’s an extra namespace 'Projet', distinct of 1 letter from the built-in namespace 'Project'. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 10:08, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you for your help! [[Special:Contributions/2402:800:61CF:62F6:6429:BEE1:E06A:D019|2402:800:61CF:62F6:6429:BEE1:E06A:D019]] ([[User talk:2402:800:61CF:62F6:6429:BEE1:E06A:D019|talk]]) 12:07, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== Ver. 1.36.2; Search won't work. ==

Every time I attempt to search something, it comes up as "[YY9vrwBz@QnRZ2kdX3h6MQAAACs] 2021-11-13 07:56:31: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError" "

Any help? Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/96.33.180.250|96.33.180.250]] ([[User talk:96.33.180.250|talk]]) 07:58, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:See [[Manual:How to debug]] to get a stacktrace. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:33, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

== What would be a good printed book for MediaWiki theming? ==

I have some basic knowledge in:

*HTML
*JavaScript
*CSS

I need to custom the [[Skin:Timeless|Timeless]] skin a bit.

The main reason I want to custom Timeless is because it lacks support for Adsense, which Vector-Minerva have (but which I don't use).

I think I need to develop a more general and basic understanding of MediaWiki theming in general before I come to make changes in core theme.

I am having a hard time reading the MediaWiki English documentation from a computer screen; I am not a native speaker of English or any other Germanic language, I have an elementary and limited understanding of PHP and I find the "large" (already-compiled?) PHP files of the Timeless skin quite "heavy" to deal with. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.140.152|49.230.140.152]] ([[User talk:49.230.140.152|talk]]) 13:31, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:In terms of books - there is nothing really specific to mediawiki skinning that i am aware of, so generic books on html css and php are probably the best.
:Maybe try printing out the skin files so you can read a hard copy version. I know this isn't the most helpful, but try changing random things and see what happens in order to learn how different parts work. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 22:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:I do HTML and CSS for about 12 years and JavaScript for about 6 years, my problem is only with PHP and the theming standards in MediaWiki.
:I think that the idea to print the Timeless skin files is great, I should try it !
:I will say though that I am not sure what even to print; for example, what are the most basic skin files for any MediaWiki skin?
:Also, must I learn about another MediaWiki topic such as hooks, before I learn about MediaWiki theming? [[Special:Contributions/49.230.140.152|49.230.140.152]] ([[User talk:49.230.140.152|talk]]) 02:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:I have created two different new topics from my questions above:
:[[Topic:Wkdeezuatt6v97t5]]
:[[Topic:Wkdeifqpvxxgrqqy]] [[Special:Contributions/49.230.28.2|49.230.28.2]] ([[User talk:49.230.28.2|talk]]) 09:55, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== InfoBoxes impossible to "install"... ==

:I've tried to install the infobox template forever but it won't work. I have tested another template from another wiki page and that don't work either. Both give the lua errors.
:For example: '''Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:TNT' not found.''' Template:En-WP attribution notice (on the Template:infobox webpage)
:and: '''Lua error in Modul:TNT at line 158: Missing JsonConfig extension; Cannot load https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:I18n/Documentation.tab<nowiki/>.'''
:What is this and how am I suppose to solve this? One additional weird thing is that the other "info-box-type"-template from the other wiki does not "use" as much templates as my import according to the edit tab.
:One thing I've noticed is that my lua version is 5.1.4 when every other wiki's I stumble upon use 5.1.5. I tried to install lua 5.1.5 but it didn't change the number...
:Please help, I'm ripping my hair out... [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 14:14, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
::I think 5.1.4 vs 5.1.5 might be a windows vs linux thing. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 22:15, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
::https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto/+/739050 [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:35, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:Even though Scribunto is updated and having the 5.1.5 engine of lua the Special:Version tab still says it's running lua 5.1.4!? Where does it grab that version??!!! [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 18:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:Please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar. Please describe how you "installed" something from... somewhere? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 19:32, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:Ok, I've read it but I won't post link to it. Ask what you want to see and I shall send you a screenshot of it.
:OS: Windows Server 2012 Datacenter (64-bit)
:MediaWiki = 1.36.2
:PHP = 7.3.32 (cgi-fcgi)
:MySQL = 5.5.45
:ICU = 64.2
:Lua = 5.1.4
:When I install "something" from "somewhere" I go to their Special:Export page and specify a template for example Template:PlayerTemplate and I check the box for "Include templates" and "Save as file". I then upload it with the Special:Import page on my wiki. [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 20:08, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:So first of all, if you want to use the TNT extension,you have to install [[Extension:JsonConfig]] and configure commons as a foreign data namespace. (Unfortunately the docs on doing that are a bit lackluster)
:Are you getting both of these errors still? Because they kind of contradict each other (one is saying module:TNT is missing, the other is saying its there but has an error). [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 22:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:I have installed Extension:JsonConfig. "''Configure commons as a foreign data namespace.''", don't understand that.
:No, I'm not right now it's only the '''Lua error in Modul:TNT at line 158: Missing JsonConfig extension; Cannot load ...''' that's the problem. (On the page for the Template:PlayerTemplate)
:The infobox page has an additional text: "Template:En-WP attribution notice".
:I get this red box when I go to the Module:TNT page. "fX01s0G" on imgur
:The Template:PlayerTemplate also has a error that says: '''Lua error in Module:WikidataIB at line 665: attempt to index field 'wikibase' (a nil value).'''
:The thing I said before that bothers me is that my importation of the template PlayerTemplate uses much more Templates than the one on the origin wiki... [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 22:52, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:Who is "their" in "their Special:Export page"? Where does "Configure commons as a foreign data namespace." come from / what displays that where? What "origin wiki"? How do you get to the conclusion in your last sentence (links)? Why is https://imgur.com/fX01s0G a 404 error? Why haven't you installed Wikibase if you'd like to use a module depending on it? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 12:27, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
::Oh, wait. That link should've been '''https://imgur.com/a/fX01s0G''' [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 19:01, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Their = The special:Export page on the page mentioned below.
:It comes from the comment above from Bawolff, I didn't understand what he meant.
:Origin wiki: 2b2t.miraheze.org
:This (ibb.co JktP5Bz)is a picture of "used templates" in the template "PlayerTemplate" from 2b2t wiki. And this (ibb.co HGcj6Gt) is from my importation of the template "PlayerTemplate" onto my wiki. '''N.B.''' Mall (Swedish) = Template (English), Modul (Swedish) = Module (English.
:Don't know, maybe because imgur is trash.
:I have installed Wikibase...
:The main problem right now seems to be the "'''Lua error in Module:TNT at line 158: Missing JsonConfig extension; Cannot load [link, cant post because of "linkspam"]."''' error that I seem to have on multiple templates. [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 18:58, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Sorry for the spam. I fixed the Wikibase problem, it wasn't fully initialized. I still have the "Missing JsonConfig extension" problem though. [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 19:25, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Follow example at: [[Extension:JsonConfig#Supporting_Wikimedia_templates]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}}
:I pasted those line of codes into LocalSettings.php and now I get this error: "'''Lua error in Modul:TNT at line 166: Missing Commons dataset I18n/Module:TNT.tab.'''". Now when I try to go onto pages I get error '''500 - Internal server error.''' Often I can just reload the page and it works but when I try to import xml files through the "Special:Import"-page I get the 500 error and can't go past it... [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 15:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:[[How to debug]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:(I can't "sub"-reply so that's why I'm tagging you instead.)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}}
:It's an error from IIS, I don't think I can solve that with editing debugging settings in the mediawiki folder...
:Nevertheless, I've already applied the lines of code from the PHP errors part of the "How to debug"-page. [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 23:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:webserver 500s are commonly (but not exclusively) caused by php errors. IIS should also have some sort of logfile somewhere. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}}
:Yeah, yeah. I've looked in the logs but those doesn't say much more. They just say "500 0 0 5314" or "500 0 0 2991" in the end of the line of the error. I just say that the site seems to be more unstable when I apply the changes to the LocalSettings.php you told about.
:Whatever, that's not the main problem... I still can't understand the "'''Lua error in Module:TNT at line 166'''[...]".
:And I think there is something wrong with the navbar/styles.css that I suppose would be handling the infoboxes position on the page. The "PlayerTemplate" is the only infobox working and it's on the left side of the page...
:Why is it this difficult to just install a simple infobox? [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 01:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

== Le code LaTeX ne passe plus dans les titres des tables des matières des pages de mes travaux de recherche et des pages de discussion associées ==

Bonjour,

Cf. titre.

Dans les titres des corps de mes pages de mes travaux de recherche et des pages de discussion associées, le code LaTeX s'affiche correctement, par contre ce n'est plus le cas concernant ceux des tables des matières qui en découlent.

Certaines tables des matières contenant du code LaTeX avaient déjà dégénéré et la table des matières de la page de discussion d'une des pages d'un de mes travaux de recherche a dégénérée suite à une compilation.

Est-ce provisoire et transitoire ?

Pouvez-vous résorber le problème ?

Dorénavant, devra-t-on toujours fournir des titres sans code LaTeX, afin que les tables des matières soient lisibles ?

Dans mon cas, ça va être très difficile, sauf à créer des titres à rallonge ou des titres relativement courts mais très imprécis. [[Special:Contributions/77.140.106.198|77.140.106.198]] ([[User talk:77.140.106.198|talk]]) 23:22, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/77.140.106.198|77.140.106.198]] ([[User talk:77.140.106.198|talk]]) 23:24, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== Hide authors on pages ==

Is there a way to hide authors of pages be default? [[User:Lumengl|Lumengl]] ([[User talk:Lumengl|talk]]) 06:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:First of all, where exactly do you see authors? Please read "Post a new question" in the sidebar. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:He'll mean the standard "This page was last modified at ... by ..." message in the footer.
:Here's an extract from [[Manual:Footer]]:
:;<code>lastmod</code>
::edit [[MediaWiki:Lastmodifiedat]]. If [[Special:MyLanguage/Manual:$wgMaxCredits|$wgMaxCredits]] is enabled then edit [[MediaWiki:Lastmodifiedatby]]. You may also want to edit [[MediaWiki:othercontribs]] that shows other contributors. ([[bugzilla:6518|6518]]) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:53, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Based on your last message, I guess you found how to remove the authors (by setting <code>$wgMaxCredits = 0;</code>), but if you want to remove the whole sentence you can either hide it with CSS (add <code>#footer-info-credits { display: none; }</code> in your MediaWiki:Common.css) or blank the message MediaWiki:Lastmodifiedat. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 12:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

== Visually Appealing Story Pages ==

Hi! This might be a big css ask, but for story text on my wiki, https://grandorder.wiki/Category:Story , I was wondering if there was any way I can have the individual pages like https://grandorder.wiki/Cosmos_in_the_Lostbelt_0:_Prologue/Story be centered on the page while keeping the text left-aligned, along with a black gradient on both sides to cover the empty space that would result from centering the page. A way to change the background color of the middle portion where the content would go would also be great. [[User:BlameLib|BlameLib]] ([[User talk:BlameLib|talk]]) 06:33, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Something like this test image: https://postimg.cc/xJMfkFfF?
:This should be achievable simply by the following code:<syntaxhighlight lang="html">
<div style="background-color: bisque;">
<div style="margin: auto; width: 75%; background-color: burlywood; padding: 10px;">
/* PAGE CONTENT */
</div>
</div>
</syntaxhighlight>To do the same with all pages in a category, you'll have to make use of [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|<bdi>Ciencia Al Poder</bdi>]]'s [[Snippets/Style pages based on categories|snippet]]. Copy the code from there into your [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] page.
:After that, in your [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] page, include something similar to the following:<syntaxhighlight lang="css">
body.cat-Story #bodyContent { background-color: bisque; }
body.cat-Story #mw-content-text {
margin: auto;
width: 75%;
background-color: burlywood;
padding: 10px;
}
</syntaxhighlight> [[User:AhmadF.Cheema|AhmadF.Cheema]] ([[User talk:AhmadF.Cheema|talk]]) 11:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks, this is perfect! [[User:BlameLib|BlameLib]] ([[User talk:BlameLib|talk]]) 14:26, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== Can we upload page[.txt file] in the mediawiki based on the location of the page [.txt file] ==

In our case we have the below situation.

*We want to upload the page based on the below condition.
*If the page [.txt file] does not exists in the Location1, then upload the page [.txt file] from the Location2.

In our case, we are upload the page using below functionality.

<nowiki>{{snippet:repository=|fielname=Navigation\Home\Product_Documentation.txt|branch={{#urlget:version}}}}</nowiki>

In the above scenario, if the txt file does not exist in location, then take from another location.

We want the conditional upload of the file in the page creation. [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 06:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:What "functionality" is that line above, and how does that work? You need to provide way more background. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe this: [[Extension:Git2Pages]]. If the extension doesn't let you do what you need, then I guess you'd need to use a modified version or something different. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 23:07, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe you want [[Extension:ParserFunctions]] to make a conditional template? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:10, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:It is [[Extension:Git2Pages]]. We are using this. Please do let me know, can we do a conditional file upload in that. [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 05:53, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:If snippet returns nothing when there's nothing at the file location then you could try something like:
:<syntaxhighlight>
{{#if: {{snippet:...filename=...Location1...}} | {{snippet:...filename=...Location1...}} | {{snippet:...filename=...Location2...}} }}
</syntaxhighlight>
:Or if it says something like "File not found" then:
:<syntaxhighlight>
{{#ifeq: {{snippet:...filename=...Location1...}} | File not found | {{snippet:...filename=...Location2...}} | {{snippet:...filename=...Location1...}} }}
</syntaxhighlight>
:This is pure guesswork. I can see why it probably won't work, but it might be worth trying. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 10:02, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

== How can I add Dropdown menu with dynamic values in the mediawiki page ==

How can I add Dropdown menu with dynamic values in the mediawiki page ?

In which Js file/php file I can define the logic [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 06:50, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Editing random JS or PHP files is not how it works; in general. You could look into extensions however, like [[Extension:Semantic Forms Select]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== What are the most basic skin files for any MediaWiki skin? ==

I ask this assuming that there are theming files which all skins make use of. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.28.2|49.230.28.2]] ([[User talk:49.230.28.2|talk]]) 09:53, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:I don't think anyone will list file names here. See [[Manual:Skins]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 14:46, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Aren't there just up to, say, 5 files which all skins share?... [[Special:Contributions/49.230.28.2|49.230.28.2]] ([[User talk:49.230.28.2|talk]]) 00:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:if all skins had the exact same file, we wouldn't bother including it in the Skin. However the core of the skin is usually a file named includes/Skin<Skinname>.php and includes/<Skinname>Template.php - e.g. in Timeless https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Timeless/blob/master/includes/SkinTimeless.php and https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Timeless/blob/master/includes/TimelessTemplate.php
:Perhaps what you are looking for is some of the MediaWiki core skin library files in https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/tree/master/includes/skins (Particularly Skin.php and SkinTemplate.php) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

== What should I learn about first, hooks or skin architecture? ==

I want to learn how to custom my website's skin thoroughly.

What should I learn about first, hooks (the general MediaWiki hooks system) or the skin's architecture? [[Special:Contributions/49.230.28.2|49.230.28.2]] ([[User talk:49.230.28.2|talk]]) 09:54, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:It depends what you prefer :) and what type of customisations you want on your website.
:For the skin, you can read [[Manual:Skinning Part 1]] even if it is now a bit outdated.
:For the [[Manual:Hooks|hooks]], their goal is to provide specific features quite independent of the design provided by the skin (*), so if you have an idea of a non-existent feature (there are already [[:Special:MyLanguage/Category:Extensions|plenty of extensions providing features]]), you can see how similar extensions implemented the idea and adapt it, and/or you can walk in the list of hooks to see what hooks fit best for your idea. (But I’m not aware of a dedicated tutorial about this.)
:(*) Although skins can use hooks, but it’s a minor use. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 12:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== Sidebar ==

Hi! Is there a way to have all my categories on the sidebar?

I'm not a programmer and don't speak code, so please, if anyone has an answer in simple English. [[User:Misshiller|MsHiller]] ([[User talk:Misshiller|talk]]) 20:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, I think this is possible using [[Extension:CategoryTree]] or [[Extension:TreeAndMenu]]. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:46, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Yes there is.
:You have to create an infobox template page. Then you put everything in the template page you want to have in your sidebar.
:<nowiki>Then on any page you have you do this bracket { to open the Infobox but you use two of them and type the word Infobox after it.
1. { double Infobox
{{Infobox
2. This mark.... </nowiki>
:Tell ya what. Hit me up on messenger I'll give you the script. [[User:Karlpajak|Karlpajak]] ([[User talk:Karlpajak|talk]]) 23:21, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:Sounds helpful. So the script is? [[User:Misshiller|MsHiller]] ([[User talk:Misshiller|talk]]) 15:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Is there any way to customize login page for users? ==

Hello!

I really want to change how the login screen looks like for users. Today it looks like a normal Wikipage with the login window in it, but I want to change it so that the login window is the only thing visible. I want it to have the same simplicity as for example the wordpress login screen. Does anyone know how I can edit the login page?

Down below is an example from wordpress.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wordpress+login+page+for+users&rlz=1C1VDKB_svSE929SE929&sxsrf=AOaemvIACaVSf7s7lnqvs5fuN1IOhqsJiw:1637074424565&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiju6-8kZ30AhWMzYsKHSd0BTAQ_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1#imgrc=lsSkM0lGnA7mvM [[User:SebastianMortensen|SebastianMortensen]] ([[User talk:SebastianMortensen|talk]]) 14:58, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:You could probably do something custom with a skin.
:if you enable [[manual:$wgAllowSiteCSSOnRestrictedPages]] you can adjust with MediaWiki:common.css. see [[manual:CSS]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 15:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

== edit problem ==

I added a photo to our page and it replaced the entire 44 car photo gallery. How do I undo or re-do this? [[User:MorinReiff|MorinReiff]] ([[User talk:MorinReiff|talk]]) 16:04, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:never mind, found the fix myself. thanks anyway [[User:MorinReiff|MorinReiff]] ([[User talk:MorinReiff|talk]]) 16:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

== Mediawiki SSO: Table ‘simplesamlphp_kvatore’ already existed ==

Mediawiki 1.32.2
Php: 7.3.28 apache2handler
Mariadb:10.2.33
Simplesamlphp extension: 1.35 (github)
Pluggableauth extension: 1.35(github)
Simplesamlphp software:1.19.3

I’n trying to implement SSO in Azure AD for on prem

[acb3c984ef5311d0f7784f6f] /index.php/Special:PluggableAuthLogin PDOException from line 175 of E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\Store\SQL.php: SQLSTATE[42S01]: Base table or view already exists: 1050 Table 'SimpleSAMLphp_kvstore' already exists Backtrace:

0 E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\Store\SQL.php(175): PDO->exec(string)
1 E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\Store\SQL.php(78): SimpleSAML\Store\SQL->initKVTable()
2 E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\Store.php(52): SimpleSAML\Store\SQL->__construct()
3 E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\SessionHandler.php(138): SimpleSAML\Store::getInstance()
… .”

Anyone familiar with this error?
My user id has just received CREATE Command permmission to create the table and once the access has been granted it shows that the table has already existed. Do you think i should drop the table and re-run again? I will need to get approval before do any changes on our database. Is there anything i need to be cautious when setting this up.

Let me know if its a different case.

Thanks [[User:Frizzow|Frizzow]] ([[User talk:Frizzow|talk]]) 03:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:The MediaWiki extension SimpleSAMLphp does not maintain itself a database, and according to the paths it it the library SimpleSAMLphp which triggers this error, so you should search [https://simplesamlphp.org in their documentation].
:Make working the library is 80% of the work (they have a test to verify it is working independently of MediaWiki), then, when it works, the MediaWiki extension can be connected through the library. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 08:16, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:MediaWiki
:1.32.2
:PHP
:7.3.28 (apache2handler)
:MariaDB
:10.2.33-MariaDB-log
:PluggableAuth= 1.35
:SimpleSAMLPhp=1.35
:
:
:
:Checking your PHP installation
:Yes
:Required
:PHP Version >= 7.1. You run: 7.3.28
:Yes
:Required
:Date/Time Extension
:Yes
:Required
:Hashing function
:Yes
:Required
:ZLib
:Yes
:Required
:OpenSSL
:Yes
:Required
:XML DOM
:Yes
:Required
:RegEx support
:Yes
:Required
:JSON support
:Yes
:Required
:Standard PHP Library (SPL)
:Yes
:Required
:Multibyte String Extension
:Yes
:Optional
:cURL (required if automatic version checks are used, also by some modules.
:Yes
:Optional
:Session Extension (required if PHP sessions are used)
:Yes
:Optional
:PDO Extension (required if a database backend is used)
:no
:Optional
:LDAP Extension (required if an LDAP backend is used)
:no
:Optional
:predis/predis (required if the redis data store is used)
:no
:Optional
:Memcache or Memcached Extension (required if a Memcached backend is used)
:Yes
:Recommended
:technicalcontact_email option set
:Yes
:Required
:auth.adminpassword option set
:
:What I have tested:
:1. The table above shows only 3 things are not available when I'm checking my PHP installation. We are not using LDAP extension and we did not setup for predis or memcache and not sure whether we need to install either two.
:2. E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\Store\SQL.php: SQLSTATE[42S01]: Base table or view already exists: 1050 Table 'SimpleSAMLphp_kvstore' already exists- this error only displayed when I change the datastore type from 'phpsession' to 'sql' in the config.php file. If I change back to phpsession, it will shows a different error to my wiki page"
:[57e819a89ff1f7965dc9f1f6] /index.php/Special:PluggableAuthLogin InvalidArgumentException from line 203 of E:\Apache24\htdocs\includes\session\SessionManager.php: Invalid session ID".
:
:My configuration in config.php file are as below:
:'store.type' => 'sql',
:
:'store.sql.dsn' => 'mysql:host=xxx;port=xxxxdbname=xxxx',
:'store.sql.username' => 'xxx',
:'store.sql.password' => 'xxxx',
:
:3. I have tested the authentication for default-sp and it redirects me to IDP. After entering my credentials, I've been redirected back to the test page with list of attributes. But, in simplesatlphpinstallation page, it already shows SAML 2.0 IDP as green and checked.
:4. As for PHP Sanity page, everything is green and no error display.
:5. In the federation tab, it shows our SAML 2.0 SP metadata and SAML 2.0 IdP Metadata (Trusted). It looks fine and I exchange the Metadata to IDP(Azure) and it has reflected in this page.
:6. When I declare the PluggableAuth and SimpleSAMLphp extensions in localsettings.php, it was able to update in special version page. But now, I've commented out the code below since the library itself not working by showing E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\Store\SQL.php: SQLSTATE[42S01]: Base table or view already exists: 1050 Table 'SimpleSAMLphp_kvstore' already exists
:
:#PluggableAuth
:#wfLoadExtension( 'PluggableAuth' );
:#$wgPluggableAuth_EnableAutoLogin = false;
:#$wgPluggableAuth_EnableLocalLogin = false;
:#$wgPluggableAuth_EnableLocalProperties = false;
:#$wgPluggableAuth_ButtonLabelMessage = "Login";
:#$wgPluggableAuth_Class = 'SimpleSAMLphp';
:#$wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = true;
:#$wgGroupPermissions['*']['autocreateaccount'] = true;
:
:#SimpleSAMLphp
:#wfLoadExtension( 'SimpleSAMLphp' );
:#$wgSimpleSAMLphp_InstallDir = "E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib";
:#$wgSimpleSAMLphp_AuthSourceId = "default-sp";
:#$wgSimpleSAMLphp_RealNameAttribute = [ 'http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/givenname','http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/surname'];
:#$wgSimpleSAMLphp_EmailAttribute = 'http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/mail';
:#$wgSimpleSAMLphp_UsernameAttribute = 'http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/uid';
:
:I'm not sure what else could be the misconfiguration in the simplesamlphp library that can cause the table to recreate. :(
:[[User:Seb35]] [[User:Frizzow|Frizzow]] ([[User talk:Frizzow|talk]]) 06:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

== Disable default image linking ==

Hi there, i need disable link on images when i write something like <nowiki><nowiki>[[file:imgname.png|200px]]</nowiki></nowiki>. I need it to work as <nowiki><nowiki>[[file:imgname.png|200px|link=]]</nowiki></nowiki> but i have more than 1000 images on my wiki, and adding 'link=' for all of it is terrible way.

I want to set images links only manual. for example if i set link='somesite' it must be linked. if link parameter not setted, it must be similar to "link="

Help me please

P.s. search give no answer. [[User:Graf.yura|Graf.yura]] ([[User talk:Graf.yura|talk]]) 07:17, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:If you have some php experience [[manual:hooks/ImageBeforeProduceHTML]] should allow you to dynamically override the link parameter (ie the link-url, link-title and/or no-link of $frameParams argument) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

== Issue with LocalisationCache giving back blank responses ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

I'm getting an error running 1.19 where the LocalisationCache appears to be giving me back a blank when calling getItem, and I can't work out where it's supposed to be getting the data from. Language.php is throwing an error because the call to getItem to get the 'namespaceNames' is coming back with a blank string, I think, and it's crashing on the line where it tries to combine it with wgExtraNamespaces.

I thought it was getting it from the l10n_cache table in my database, but I deleted the namespaceNames entry from it, and it didn't restore it, so I am stumped in an almighty way.

I experimented with removing the reference to $this->namespaceNames from the line in Language.php, however that generated a ton more errors such as "" is not a valid magic word for "forcetoc" so I think there is a cache file or something somwhere that has gotten stuck with a bunch of blank entries, but I can't work out from the Mediawiki code where that is. [[User:Abates|Abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 07:38, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Update: I have managed to resolve this by running rebuildLocalisationCache.php --force to rebuilt the cache. [[User:Abates|Abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 09:20, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Find all pages with links that lead to a non existing page. ==

Hello everyone!

Is there a way to find all pages, which has links in it, that are leading to a page which not has been created?

You know ... the links which are appearing in red color (by default) and when you click them, you´ll get lead to the creation of that page.

I have a few "placeholder" links in my wiki, but struggling to find all of them, so a function for that would be awesome.

Kind regards [[User:Hattabatatta|Hattabatatta]] ([[User talk:Hattabatatta|talk]]) 08:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Perhaps not exactly what you requested, but you might be interested by the special page [[Special:WantedPages]], which lists non-existent pages ranked by number of links toward them. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 08:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Not exactly what I requested, but SO helpful anyway.
:Many many thanks! [[User:Hattabatatta|Hattabatatta]] ([[User talk:Hattabatatta|talk]]) 11:07, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:The api can also do more complex queries that can be helpful.
:If you know the target of the placeholder like try [[special:whatlinkshere]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:22, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

== How to show latest version selected for mediawiki, if someone hits the URL for the MediaWiki page ==

In our case, we have one dropdown list, which contains the product versions as below :

V1

V2

V3

V4

Now,we wnat when some one hits the URL for Product [F.e http://localhost/ovsmu/index.php/Product_Documentation_Beta], then lastest version which is V4 should be auto select on the URL hit.

how can we achieve such scenario ? [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 08:46, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

== "The token parameter must be set" when attempting to upload to commons ==
{{Archive top|result=As [[User:BDavis (WMF)|<bdi>BDavis</bdi>]] pointed out, an extra comma caused the the token parameter to be ignored.|status=resolved}}

Hi all

I am integrated Mediawiki OAuth2 into a Node application. Everything is working fine (login, data retrieval) except uploading a file to commons. When I attempt to upload I get this error:

<code>The "token" parameter must be set.</code>

The token parameter is set and I have checked the CSRF token (using [[API:Checktoken|checktoken]] API) and it is valid.

I am using axios 0.21.4 and this is my code:

const filePath = path.join(__dirname, publicVideoPath);
const file = fs.createReadStream(filePath);

const uploadParams = new FormData();
uploadParams.append('file', file, { knownLength: fs.statSync(filePath).size });
uploadParams.append('filename', title);
uploadParams.append('text', text.join('\r\n'));
uploadParams.append('token,', csrfToken);
uploadParams.append('author', author);
uploadParams.append('comment', comment);
uploadParams.append('client_id', CLIENT_ID);
uploadParams.append('client_secret', CLIENT_SECRET);
axios({
headers: {
'Content-Length': uploadParams.getLengthSync(),
Authorization: `Bearer ${accessToken}`,
...uploadParams.getHeaders(),
},
method: 'post',
url: 'https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=upload&format=json',
data: uploadParams,
})
.then(res => {
console.log(res);
})
.catch(err => {
console.log(err);
});

I prefer not use any extra libraries as I want to keep the code as lightweight as possibly and I am already using axios in other parts of the application. [[User:Khr2003|Khr2003]] ([[User talk:Khr2003|talk]]) 10:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:One possible problem, you typoed the name as <code>token,</code>. [[User:BDavis (WMF)|BDavis (WMF)]] ([[User talk:BDavis (WMF)|talk]]) 16:53, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|BDavis (WMF)}}
:Thanks a lot for this. I am both embarrassed and relieved to say that this what caused the issue. [[User:Khr2003|Khr2003]] ([[User talk:Khr2003|talk]]) 02:22, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Restrict Left Images to paragraph ==
{{Archive top|result=use <nowiki> </nowiki>|status=resolved}}

Hi. How can I restrict an image tagged with |left, to just the paragraph it sits in?

For example, on my page, the image moves everything, including the next title, to it's right. I want the "Terminator Skins" section to start under the image. For reference, this page can be found at https://alienshooter.org/Terminator [[Special:Contributions/62.31.154.248|62.31.154.248]] ([[User talk:62.31.154.248|talk]]) 13:19, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:try adding <nowiki> </nowiki> after the image before tge start of text. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:13, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Perfect, thank you! :) [[Special:Contributions/62.31.154.248|62.31.154.248]] ([[User talk:62.31.154.248|talk]]) 08:48, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
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== The content model 'Scribunto' is not registered on this wiki. ==

I followed the instructions on the wiki, i installed scribunto in the extension folder, and wrote:

wfLoadExtension( 'Scribunto' );
$wgScribuntoDefaultEngine = 'luastandalone';

at the end like it says in the guide on mediawiki, but when i try to import something it tells me:

The content model 'Scribunto' is not registered on this wiki. See <nowiki>https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_handlers</nowiki> to find out which extensions handle this content model.

how do i register scribunto on the wiki? Thankyou [[Special:Contributions/87.21.186.185|87.21.186.185]] ([[User talk:87.21.186.185|talk]]) 13:23, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Does Special:Version list scribunto as installed? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

== Upgraded Mediawiki, all appears intact except it throws an error when trying to log in as admin. ==

I recently upgraded my Mediawiki from 1.27.x to the latest stable <code>1.36.2</code> using the .zip archive of the installation. Database schema appeared to have updated successfully while going through the web-updater. After uploading the /images directory to restore all missing content, the wiki appears to be all intact. However quickly I found that I was prevented from logging into the admin account initially by a 520 (unknown) error, then after some localSettings.php adjustments, a 'this action has been cancelled as a precaution against session hijacking' error, this was possible by adding <code>$wgSessionCacheType</code> set to <code>CACHE_DB</code>. I have not been able to get further than this.

I'm fairly certain my password is correct, because when I enter it wrong the wiki states as such (wrong username/password), it's when I use the correct password it doesn't know what to do and blocks it. I tried running through the [Manual:How to debug/Login problems] page, but I feel I've exhausted all the common checks, apart from maybe the PHP handling, but I'm not sure how to change those on my server.

The wiki is HTTPS-only and currently secured according to my web-browser. I was able to stay logged in prior to the upgrade, even with HTTPS enabled. Account creation and editing had been disabled to prevent spam accounts from ruining the wiki (the reason for the upgrade was to be able to install extensions to round up and destroy said spam accounts).

If anybody can help tell me how to fix the session/log-in issue, I would appreciate it!

Wiki's <code>Special:Version</code> stats:

Mediawiki: 1.36.2

PHP: 7.4.15 (cgi-fcgi)

MySQL: 8.0.26-0ubuntu0.20.04.2

Database type: INNODB (Not absolutely sure, only discerned from the information_schema table next to my Mediawiki database) [[Special:Contributions/88.104.227.132|88.104.227.132]] ([[User talk:88.104.227.132|talk]]) 14:53, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Can you try deleting all your cookies to see if tgat has an affect? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Deleted the cookies from my browser and even force-refreshed the page and still no change.
:Response: 'There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been cancelled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please resubmit the form.' [[Special:Contributions/88.104.227.132|88.104.227.132]] ([[User talk:88.104.227.132|talk]]) 20:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Generally speaking this type of error is caused by cookies being mismatched. Usually either deleting cookies (to fix client side) or setting session cache to CACHE_DB (for server side) fixes it.
:If not that its a bit unclear. You can try using different computer web browser to see if that helps.try disabling any auth related mw extensions. Try enabling mw debug log to see if that says anything interesting. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Oho! I'm successful, managed to finally log into the wiki!
:The solution was to change <code>$wgSessionCacheType</code>to CACHE_DB as you stated. Although annoyingly, the initial change led to a 520 error at first, it was only the second time round that it just worked. While logged in, I can also claim that the session has been persistent so far, and I can do edits to pages and preferences too!
:Thank you for your help Bawolff! [[Special:Contributions/88.104.227.132|88.104.227.132]] ([[User talk:88.104.227.132|talk]]) 16:49, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Often this implies that there is a cache misconfiguration (e.g. the main cache type forgets things too fast) it can potentially also cause slownewss. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:06, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== "No interwiki prefix" error message when Importing template (despite prefix was given) ==

Hello, I am using MediaWiki v1.36. I tried to import the templates

[[:de:Vorlage_Diskussion:Literatur|de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Literatur]]

and

[[:de:Vorlage:Internetquelle|de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Internetquelle]]

via XML, but when i try to import them, i get a "No Interwiki prefix" error message. Since I am providing the correct prefix, I suspect the error message is caused by a different issue.

The Scribunto Extension is installed and loaded via the LocalSettings.php on my MediaWiki.

I hope someone can help. [[User:Mirghon|Mirghon]] ([[User talk:Mirghon|talk]]) 15:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Are you importing via file or interwiiki transfer? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:i exported the wikipedia templates via XML and tried to reimport those [[User:Mirghon|Mirghon]] ([[User talk:Mirghon|talk]]) 07:52, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:it might be that your accidentally triggering the import by interwiki feature instead of import by file. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 08:11, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:how do I switch between the 2 if i have the user authority to use both? [[User:Mirghon|Mirghon]] ([[User talk:Mirghon|talk]]) 09:28, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Error 1146 in SQL Database when using Math-Extension ==

Hey guys!

I recently installed my first Wiki and need to use mathematical formulas.

So I installed the Math-Extension to get that functionality. I followd the instructions and used the Web-Updater due to lack of access to the server by myself (hostet at www.strato.de).

I just want to display some simple formulas, no complicated stuff. But when I edit a page and insert a formula, I get the error message "Error HTTP 500" in the visual editor during the saving-process. In the code editor with activated debug-commandline "$wgShowExceptionDetails = true;" there is some further explanation:

Error 1146: missing Table "<db-name>.<prefix>mathoid"

Can anybody tell me how to fix that or how to set up the Math-Extension properly? As I said I'm new to the mediawiki-game and don't get the issue... [[User:TKaeter|TKaeter]] ([[User talk:TKaeter|talk]]) 21:32, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:try running [[manual:update.php|update.php]] CLI script. It can usually fix missing tables. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:46, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks for that hint. Can you describe how to do that exactly? I can't find any information about a CLI-script... [[User:TKaeter|TKaeter]] ([[User talk:TKaeter|talk]]) 08:16, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:There are instructions at [[Upgrading#Run_the_update_script]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 08:44, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:I cannot run the skript using PuTTY. This is, what I got:
:<code>domain> cd maintenance</code>
:<code>domain> php update.php</code>
:<code>X-Powered-By: PHP/7.3.31</code>
:<code>Content-Type: text/html</code>
:<code>This script has to be run from the command line</code>
:I'm really frustrated -.- [[User:TKaeter|TKaeter]] ([[User talk:TKaeter|talk]]) 16:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Your php binary is probably named someone else. Try doing
:php-cli update.php
:Otherwise you need to ask your host or use the web updater instead. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:04, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:I tried the web updater. Unfortunately no success -.-
:I'll ask my hoster, if there are any restrictions in running php-scripts. I have no other clue than that.
:Thanks for your efforts! [[User:TKaeter|TKaeter]] ([[User talk:TKaeter|talk]]) 22:16, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe even at the command line you're running the web version (or whatever it's called) of php instead of the command line version. I think "php --version" would tell you (look for "cli"). If so, then you could just find the right cli version on your server and type "/path/to/php update.php". [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 08:22, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:> Maybe even at the command line you're running the web version (or whatever it's called)
:Just fyi its called the cgi version. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 08:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

== Arabic numerals on Sindhi Wikipedia ==

:Hi, I want to draw your attention towards a problem on Sindhi Wikipedia that Arabic numbers are showing on whole wiki, each page, each section is in arabic digits its hard to understand and digits are too small to comprehension, Persho-Arabic_Sindhi numbers are not widely used nowadays and its very hard to comprehended. on the behalf of Sindhi Wikipedia community and as an admin I request to change the arabic numbers with either perso-Sindhi numbers or to English digits. suppose [https://www.saitak.com/number ١٤٬٧٨٦] is arabic number (١٤٬٧٨٦ shows the current articles of sdwiki on special page). [[:sd:وڪيپيڊيا:ديوان_عام/تجويزون#%D8%B3%D9%86%DA%8C%D9%8A_%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7_%D8%AA%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%84%D8%B4_%DB%BE_%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%8E_%D9%84%DA%B3%D8%A7%D8%A6%DA%BB_%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1%D9%90_%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1%D9%90_For_English_numbering_on_Sindhi_Wiki|HERE IS THE CONSENSUS PAGE and VOTES FOr THIS CHANGE REQEUEST]]
:Reference: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes#Request_for_English_numbering_on_Sindhi_Wikipedia
:https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268203 [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 23:02, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
::{{FlowMention|JogiAsad}} You already received an answer months ago in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes#Request_for_English_numbering_on_Sindhi_Wikipedia. Why was this reposted? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Phabricator is the place to request this type of change. We at the support desk can't do anything about this. (Sorry. It sounds like there has been much back and forth on this topic which i imagine has been frustrating.)
:Also just a note - the term "arabic numerals" in english more commonly refers to 1234567890 then the arabic letter style numerals, so it can be a bit of a confusing term in english. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:30, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:I've attempted to give this a little prod on phabricator, to hopefully move things forward.
:We (along with many other software projects) get translation data [https://github.com/unicode-org/cldr/blob/main/common/main/sd.xml#L4810] from the CLDR project, so you could also try filing a bug with the CLDR project to change what they have marked as the correct way to write numerals in Sindhi - https://cldr.unicode.org/index/bug-reports [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 04:56, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:CLDR project request seems complicated at the moment I'll try again to understand its process to request changes. However this problem of arabic-sindhi numberals on sdwiki is still problematic. screenshot https://ibb.co/mNyQ0c1 [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 17:51, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Donation Popup ==

:Is there a way to disable it (durably) for (active) Donors/... ? [[Special:Contributions/37.201.146.0|37.201.146.0]] ([[User talk:37.201.146.0|talk]]) 18:07, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
::Welcome to the support desk for the MediaWiki software. For future reference, some context is welcome.
::In case this is about a Wikipedia site, logging in or closing it once should be sufficient? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 22:22, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:For wikimedia sites, you can disable fundraising notices if you are logged in. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

== change URL ==

Hello {{FlowMention|Osnard}} , Much appreciate if you could help me with changing the url of my mediawiki.

Current url is <nowiki>http://xxxx.index.php/Home</nowiki> >> <nowiki>http://xxxx/wiki/index.php/Home</nowiki> , I want to add wiki in between.

using httpd.conf and LocalSettings.php

I am ready to change the document root if needed. [[User:Prabhu7778|Prabhu7778]] ([[User talk:Prabhu7778|talk]]) 06:38, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:The best resource would probably be [[Manual:Short_URL]] [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 07:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

== LatestSkinVersionRequirement missing since update to 1.37.0 ==

Hi

We updated our Mediawiki from 1.36.x to 1.37.0 but now we have the following error:

Original exception: [YZdcJa7JexYY9qajUDKq2wAAAAk] /index.php?title=Hauptseite Error: '''Class 'Vector\FeatureManagement\Requirements\LatestSkinVersionRequirement' not found'''

How we can fix this?

Thanks very much.

Best regards

Mike [[User:Ycinformatik|Ycinformatik]] ([[User talk:Ycinformatik|talk]]) 09:38, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:Please provide a stacktrace: [[Manual:How_to_debug]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 10:54, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:'''This is the trace, when I activate debugging:'''
:Original exception: [YZeDxUS0lqKYW3f0LRik4AAAAAU] /index.php?title=Hauptseite Error: Class 'Vector\FeatureManagement\Requirements\LatestSkinVersionRequirement' not found
:Backtrace:
:from /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/ServiceWiring.php(54)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(447): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer::{closure}(MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(416): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->createService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(279): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->getService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/SkinVector.php(72): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices->getService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/SkinVector.php(90): SkinVector->isLegacy()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory/ObjectFactory.php(244): SkinVector->__construct(array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory/ObjectFactory.php(150): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory::getObjectFromSpec(array, array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/skins/SkinFactory.php(125): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory->createObject(array, array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/context/RequestContext.php(456): SkinFactory->makeSkin(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/context/ContextSource.php(163): RequestContext->getSkin()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/OutputPage.php(2632): ContextSource->getSkin()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/MediaWiki.php(939): OutputPage->output(boolean)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/MediaWiki.php(952): MediaWiki::{closure}()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/MediaWiki.php(559): MediaWiki->main()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>14 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>15 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>16 {main}
:Exception caught inside exception handler: [YZeDxUS0lqKYW3f0LRik4AAAAAU] /index.php?title=Hauptseite Error: Class 'Vector\FeatureManagement\Requirements\LatestSkinVersionRequirement' not found
:Backtrace:
:from /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/ServiceWiring.php(54)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(447): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer::{closure}(MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(416): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->createService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(279): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->getService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/SkinVector.php(72): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices->getService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/SkinVector.php(90): SkinVector->isLegacy()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory/ObjectFactory.php(244): SkinVector->__construct(array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory/ObjectFactory.php(150): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory::getObjectFromSpec(array, array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/skins/SkinFactory.php(125): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory->createObject(array, array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/context/RequestContext.php(456): SkinFactory->makeSkin(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/context/ContextSource.php(163): RequestContext->getSkin()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/OutputPage.php(2632): ContextSource->getSkin()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/exception/MWExceptionRenderer.php(158): OutputPage->output()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/exception/MWExceptionRenderer.php(77): MWExceptionRenderer::reportHTML(Error)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/exception/MWExceptionHandler.php(107): MW
:'''When I activate PHP error reporting, I have this information additionally, but this is only a notice, so no problem:'''
:Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/objectcache/SqlBagOStuff.php on line 1090 Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/objectcache/SqlBagOStuff.php on line 1090 Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/objectcache/SqlBagOStuff.php on line 1090 Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/objectcache/SqlBagOStuff.php on line 1090 MediaWiki internal error. [[User:Ycinformatik|Ycinformatik]] ([[User talk:Ycinformatik|talk]]) 11:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:Is the version of vector the right ine for your version of mddiawiki? You need to upgrade skins when you upgrade rest of mediawiki. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:09, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

== MediaWiki Images Not Displaying When Switching to SSL ==

*MediaWiki 1.36
*Apache
*PHP 7.3

I recently turned on SSL for a site running MediaWiki. When I did that, the thumbnail and file: page images are no longer displaying. Switching back to Non-SSL corrects the issue. The LocalSettings.php file has been changed to reflect the protocol-agnostic // URL in the $wgServer variable. All HTTP:// references in the database (via SRDB) have been modified to be HTTPS://

For example and to duplicate the issue:

*https://www.spydiewiki.com/index.php?title=C07_Polices
*Scroll to the bottom to see broken thumbnails.
*If you click into the image, you see the content, but the image doesn't display here either
*If you click the link for the image on this page, you get a really funky URL with the absolute path (definitely not what I want) in the URL and the site URL tacked on at the end.

I have tried repairing images, re-importing all the images, clearing cache, purging a page, and adding a new image to a page. With no success.

Has anyone seen this before or have any ideas about what might be causing it? It's gotta be pathing but, man, I can't seem to crack it. [[User:OutsideEdge94|OutsideEdge94]] ([[User talk:OutsideEdge94|talk]]) 16:51, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:What is $wgUploadPath set to? What are other file related config directives set to? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:07, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:It seems the Apache/Plesk rewriting rules have some issues: on [https://www.spydiewiki.com/index.php?title=File:701MF_L.jpg this file], when I click on the image, http://www.spydiewiki.com/images/b/b2/701MF_L.jpg is redirected to https://www.spydiewiki.com/var/www/vhosts/spydiewiki.com/httpdocs/images/Spydiewiki.com ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 17:47, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:The problem is your [[Manual:$wgUploadPath|$wgUploadPath]] variable seems misconfigured. It should be an URL or URL path, not filesystem path. Don't confuse it with [[Manual:$wgUploadDirectory|$wgUploadDirectory]]! [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 17:22, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

== Can I add wiki markup (image) to a page with JavaScript/jQuery? ==

... [[Special:Contributions/180.190.110.1|180.190.110.1]] ([[User talk:180.190.110.1|talk]]) 16:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:you can edit (see [[Api:edit]]) a page with jquery, and have the edit how up on next view.
:You can also use [[Api:Parse]] to turn some wikitext into html and add the resulting html. Generally though most people would add the html directly to avoid the time spent on a network connection. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 21:58, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

== 'behind the scenes' data pages—good/bad idea? ==

I'm wondering if someone could lend some advice on best practices for wiki organization for what I'm trying to do. I've poked around a lot but can't seem to find information that informs my situation. I'm basically trying to use the data transfer extension to batch upload template calls to hundreds of articles to create connections between pages on my wiki. The data transfer extension is exactly what I need but for the same reason it is scary in a sense because a single browser click uploads a csv which overwrites hundreds or more of pages all at once. There is an option during this upload to only 'replace fields' so that only fields are uploaded but content entered manually is not overwritten. This still seems dangerous as a wrong mouse click could do a lot of damage. I'm wondering if the best option to have my cake and eat it too is to have, for each page, a background data page—i.e. for page X that describes a given topic with normal manually entered text, there is a 'background' data page that I upload the template calls to and then in turn that data is routed to the real page. I'm wondering if there is any precedent to this elsewhere?—or whether this is overly clunky and bloated? Or whether there's a better way forward? [[User:Flyingratchet|Flyingratchet]] ([[User talk:Flyingratchet|talk]]) 03:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

== Ending letters in Hebrew ==

In Hebrew there are several words to describe a MediaWiki article, for example:

*מאמר (Ma'mar)
*ערך (Erech)

In case I decide to bulk-change one to another, I have created a template <code><nowiki>{{קת}}</nowiki></code> which includes the chosen word.

==Finalization variation==
In modern Hebrew there is a "finalization variation" for some letters and this can cause a template output problem.

For example, if the letter <code>'''כ'''</code> is final in a word, it becomes <code>'''ך'''</code>''',''' for example:

*'''Singular''': ער'''ך'''

*'''Plural''': ער'''כ'''ים
If I call my template this way:<pre dir="rtl">
{{קת}}
</pre>I get:
<pre dir="rtl">
ערך
</pre>

==My problem==
If I call my template this way:
<pre dir="rtl">
{{קת}}ים
</pre>I get:<pre dir="rtl">
ערךים
</pre>instead:<pre dir="rtl">
ערכים
</pre>

==My question==
How would you suggest to solve that problem? [[Special:Contributions/49.230.192.242|49.230.192.242]] ([[User talk:49.230.192.242|talk]]) 08:40, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe there is a Lua trick for this pseudocode:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
If x=x and we get {{x}}y than output is z?
</syntaxhighlight>It's not really identical to what I am trying to do because z is not a "finalization variation" for either but still? [[Special:Contributions/182.232.14.80|182.232.14.80]] ([[User talk:182.232.14.80|talk]]) 05:26, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
:I'm not sure how helpful this is, but the approach i would probably take is have a second parameter as a number for the number of items being discussed. So instead if say there were 7 articles being discussed, I would do something like <code><nowiki>{{קת|7}}</nowiki></code> for the template and have the actual template contain something like <code><nowiki>{{PLURAL:{{{1}}}|ערך|ערכים}}</nowiki></code>
:Or i would probably just not have it be a template, and if i ever needed to mass change it just use a bot or [[Extension:ReplaceText]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 06:09, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks Bawolff,
:In case anyone here didn't know; Modern Hebrew has some prefixes as in:
:*'''ה'''ערכים (the articles)
:*'''ב'''ערכים (in articles || in [the] articles ; depends on vocalization)
:*'''ל'''ערכים (to articles || to [the] articles ; depends on vocalization)
:*'''מ'''ערכים (from articles)
:*'''מה'''ערכים (from the articles)
:Maybe [[Extension:ReplaceText]] can take care of that too but in any case I would prefer an extensionless solution.
:==A possible JavaScript approach==
:In '''sitepoint.com''', under "''How replace any occurrence of a word in a document?''", user:m3g4p0p shared the following JavaScript (slightly edited) which worked for me; it isolated and changed all <code>ערךים</code> to <code>ערכים</code> without or with prefixes:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
const walker = document.createTreeWalker(
document.body,
NodeFilter.SHOW_TEXT
)
let node
while ((node = walker.nextNode())) {
node.textContent = node.textContent.replace('ערךים', 'ערכים')
}
</syntaxhighlight><code>ערךים</code> and <code>ערכים</code> flipped in the above code due to bidirectionality.
:I can't load this code directly from [[Common.js]] for some reason, but I can load it indirectly from there via calling a file containing it:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
mw.loader.load("BASE_URL/walker.js");
</syntaxhighlight> [[Special:Contributions/182.232.14.80|182.232.14.80]] ([[User talk:182.232.14.80|talk]]) 07:01, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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== How to upload an epub file ==

I am trying to upload some epub files to a private media wiki server. I have added the

$wgFileExtensions[] = 'epub';

to LocalSettings.php. When I try to upload I get the error:

File extension ".epub" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (application/zip).

Even when I select "Ignore any warnings" it refused to upload.

What can I do?

[[User:Lbundle|Lbundle]] ([[User talk:Lbundle|talk]]) 00:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:You could set [[Manual:$wgVerifyMimeType]] to false. This has security implications but should be fine if private server.
:Personally i think we should be less strict with zip files. JAR is no longer a threat. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 08:52, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

== How to change fonts on Sindhi Wikipedia for entire site ==

Hi, the current fonts on Sindhi Wikipedia are not good enough, so I want to change the fonts on Sindhi Wikipedia for entire site, how can I do that.? [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 15:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:Welcome to the support desk for the MediaWiki software. For Wikimedia sites, please see [[meta:Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes]]. Also make sure to explain what exactly the problem is, on which URLs, which text, with which browser(s) on which operating systems. Thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 15:08, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 15:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:You can change them by editing MediaWiki,:common.css if you are an admin [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
::suppose if I ask local interface admin to do this
::font-family: Georgia, "Calibri", Times, "sans-serif";
::be changed to
::font-family: Georgia, "MB Sindhi Sahat ", MB Sindhi Sahat , "MB Sindhi Sahat ";
::??? [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 05:43, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::No, see [[phab:T294773]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 13:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I am admin but I can't edit it, bcz this right is given to local Interface admin, this right should also be given to general admin bcz sometimes local admin are not active on small wikis, in there absence if this right may be given to admins also then they can fix some issues. [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 05:40, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:No, see "Requests" on [[meta:Interface administrators]] what to do instead. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 13:57, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

== PluggableAuth extension how to receive $_POST hidden data without show form to user? ==

Hi, I created a simple authentication extension that works in conjunction with PluggableAuth for the user to login automatically. Currently, I need two parameters: a username and a token. These parameters are generated by an external system that sends the data by hidden input. I can get the url data and authenticate correctly. But for security reasons I want to pass this data via $_POST and not via $_GET. But I cannot receive this data and store it in the session so that I can retrieve it in my authentication class. Basically, the user receives a link from a wiki page and Pluggableauth does the checks. But I can't find what code I can use to save the post in the session and retrieve it later. Does anyone have any examples of how to do this? Thanks!

Edit2: For example, the user accesses the wiki only through an ERP software that directs them to a certain page, already sending the username and a verification token via $_POST, without any user interaction during login/authentication. An example page would be www.minhawiki.com/something. However I can't get the $_POST data as the original landing page www.minhawiki.com/something is not loaded as PluggableAuth directs first to Special:UserLogin, then to PluggableAuthLogin and then to the authentication extension. In none of these steps can I capture the $_POST data. I can only access the data if the system sends it directly to Special:UserLogin but that way I can't authenticate the user or redirect to the landing page

{{FlowMention|Cindy.cicalese}} [[User:BarbaRuivaRK|BarbaRuivaRK]] ([[User talk:BarbaRuivaRK|talk]]) 19:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:Did you try using AuthManager::setAuthenticationSessionData()/AuthManager::getAuthenticationSessionData()? You can see an example at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/extensions/OpenIDConnect/+/refs/heads/master/src/OpenIDConnect.php#228. [[User:Cindy.cicalese|Cindy.cicalese]] ([[User talk:Cindy.cicalese|talk]]) 13:40, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, I tried and I can't get the values coming from $_POST. The idea is that there is no user interaction. It is to be a system integrated with an ERP where it is responsible for sending the username and a token via $_POST to a wiki page and then the authentication system checks the data and then redirects to the original landing page [[User:BarbaRuivaRK|BarbaRuivaRK]] ([[User talk:BarbaRuivaRK|talk]]) 14:26, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

== PortableInfoboxes is unusuable, can this error be solved? ==

When trying to edit any page using the PortableInfoboxes extension, I get this error:

Call to undefined method ObjectCache::getMainWANInstance()

It would seem that this means the extension is accessing something that is no longer supported, and that many others have had this issue with no helpful responses. However, I have been able to see that this extension works for some people... how do I fix this? I have not been able to find any way to deal with this issue, which prevents me from making any edits to the wiki. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:629A:E080:4DA6:4F79:E722:618C|2600:1700:629A:E080:4DA6:4F79:E722:618C]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:629A:E080:4DA6:4F79:E722:618C|talk]]) 22:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:What is [[Extension:PortableInfoboxes]]? Please provide a link and see "Post a new question" in the sidebar. Thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 01:09, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I guess this is probably about [[Extension:PortableInfobox]].
:OP: what version of MediaWiki are you using? You say that {{tq|many others have had this issue with no helpful responses}} — could you link to those discussions? [[User:Samwilson|Sam]] [[User_talk:Samwilson|Wilson]] 01:57, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::I am using version 1.36.2 I believe? It should work with the extension.
::Here are some of the topics ive been able to find:
::[[Topic:Wbvo4h9lu01x07la]]
::[[Topic:W8rihydq6tnadqx5]]
::Usually the response is that other people using the extension have had no issues, and it hasn't been very helpful in my search. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537|2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537|talk]]) 22:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I think it should be using \MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices::getInstance()->getMainWANObjectCache() instead
:Have you tried filing a bug at https://github.com/lkucharczyk/mediawiki-PortableInfobox/issues i dont see anyone else complaining about this issue [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I haven't I guess it seemed like a long shot since some of the issues have gone a few months without response. I should definitely try it though... [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537|2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:629A:E080:CC19:98B0:78B6:E537|talk]]) 22:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

== Help please! I just broke my wiki, trying to change Manual:$wgPasswordResetRoutes ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

Hi, I wanted to change my tiny personal wiki (that ONLY I have access to). I wanted to remove the Login / Reset password based on Username, so folks couldn't gork me for fun.

I found this page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgPasswordResetRoutes

And as a result I added this to my LocalSettings.php:
:$wgPasswordResetRoutes 
:[ 
::'username' => false, 
::'email' => true, 
:]

But immediately got this error:

<code>Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '=>' (T_DOUBLE_ARROW), expecting ']' in [redacted]/LocalSettings.php on line 222</code>

I'm a novice to MediaWiki operation. I've tried lots of variations on the above, INCLUDING COMMENTING IT ALL OUT, and it STILL won't let me in.

I get the impression that the error lodged something in the wiki's database (or whatever) that's now effectively broken it.

I have MediaWiki v. 1.35.1

Help please?? I can't get into my wiki at all now.

Edit P.S.: Can some one tell me the ''right'' way to phrase $wgPasswordResetRoutes so it doesn't gork my wiki?

Why would there be a www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual page whose instructions immediately and permanently crash a wiki?

Thanks! [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 15:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:You have a syntaxerror in your LocalSettings.php
:In the directory, you can use <code>php -l LocalSettings.php</code> to check for syntaxerrors on your settings file. Make sure you don't have syntax errors. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 15:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Did you read what I said? Even commenting it out or removing it - restoring back to what it was before I touched it - still gives the exact same error. Yikes it's scary! [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 15:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Check you've saved the file after editing it :-) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:12, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks, btdt, laugh... but yes. I even triple-checked by downloading the updated file (where I commented out the new code that breaks my wiki) to my PC. I confirmed that it is no longer there.
:And my wiki is still completely broken. The entire site or trying to access any page on it gives that error. Even though the offending command is completely gone from LocalSettings.php now.
:How can this be? [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 16:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe type it in again but put the equals sign between the variable name and the [ ] - that missing equals is likely what caused the error.
:Maybe type some obvious nonsense earlier in the file to see whether it causes an error :-) Maybe somehow you have two MediaWiki installations and are editing the wrong one. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:25, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Also a semicolon after the ] [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:26, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe you've not successfully commented it out at all. If you use an editor like Notepad++ it'll make it easy to see using different text colours. Though you did say that completely removing it didn't stop the same error appearing... [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks for trying to help but gosh, isn't it clear that it's not my LocalSettings.php any more? At this point I've completely commented it out, I've completely stripped it out, I even replaced LS.php with a backup copy from February. And I STILL get the same error about a double-arrow at line 222, which doesn't even exist in that file any more. And No, there isn't a second wiki on my site. The only change I did was to the LS.php, which I've since reversed.
:Can we cut to the chase please -
:How can an LS.php entirely break a wiki's php such that it doesn't even matter what the LS.php is any more? How can it be fixed? Please god don't say re-install everything from top to bottom. I have no idea how to do that.
:This is so saddening. It's already so much work and hunting and pecking to try to improve even the smallest thing, like that Password Reset idea. And then I apparently kill my wiki by following simple instructions on a MediaWiki page. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 17:06, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I always blame caching when I can't understand something. Maybe somehow you're getting an old version? Maybe try on a different device that's never seen the error message. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 17:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:It's located on a SiteGround server. Were you thinking it was on my PC or something? I've tried hitting Control-F5 (I'm using Win10) which would rightly upload an old image I re-uploaded. But it doesn't help here. FWIW using your idea, I tried logging on with my phone (which I haven't done in months). It too gives the error. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 17:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:News flash: I am finding that if I access my wiki through specific pages, it ''does'' work just fine. E.g. [site]/wiki/index.php?title=[a specific page]
:Ten out of 12 of these work just fine, if addressed directly, or via links already on my pages. And I can edit them just fine. (That's 10 out of 12 of a recent project page and subpages. I haven't checked my dozens of other older pages.)
:But [site]/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page (my home page) still gives the error, and the page I had been working on at the time I edited my LS.php also gives the error, plus one other I haven't touched in a week.
:Hmm. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 18:08, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:Another update: I called my host provider and did what they call a complete backup of everything; the backup was from 12 hours ago (which is fine).
:It did not fix the problem!
:So I have to wonder if it could be some kind of cache issue. But where? On the host server? On my PC? I've completely closed an opened my browser several times. Also used ^F5. No joy. I don't know how the host service caches stuff, or if it even does. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 18:31, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::Note, for server side frontend caching (e.g. varnish, cloudflare, cloudfront, etc) try bypassing the caching by ending &x=1234 at the end of the url.
::This type of caching is usually not on by default (and mw has to be configured special for it to work properly) so that may or may not do anything. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:14, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::That worked! All the pages that previously gave the error (same as in OP) load okay, with &x=1234 appended.
::But if I try to load them yet again without &x=1234, they show the error again. Edit - if I keep reloading them, some are showing okay now without the x=1234.
::Could you please say a little more about what level (where) the caches are? Yet I don't know how to permanently flush caches with the error-causing page. Are they just on my host (SiteGround), or spread out all over (third party site caching for ISPs)?
::Anyway thanks! - at least now I'm seeing that all is not lost.
::And many thanks @Johnathan3 again for trying to hold my hand. Isn't it so weird that the erroneous page would persist as the cached one?? This probably explains how at first, many stayed broke no matter what I did. Then a bunch got better, though I effectively didn't do anything, at least at the point in time they got better (I had fixed LS.php much earlier). And now almost all of them seem okay (fingers crossed). [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 19:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::So its most likely your host (caching proxy middle boxes near the client used to be a thing in like the 90s, but they are extremely rare now). You can verify by checking if the site is broken on multiple computers using different internet connections.
::Most hosts have this sort of thing as an opt-in feature, as frontend caches can sometimes subtley break things.
::Typically the cached entries expire after some time. There is usually a way to manually clear (purge) but it varries depending on the product involved. Sometimes you can use an http purge request (e.g. from linux/mac command line:
::<code>curl 'https://url.to.my.site.com/index.php?title=...' -X PURGE</code>
::but that doesn't always work . [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:Ok, lets take a step back.
:<s>What is the current error message you are getting? Is it the same as the original one?
:What is the current contents of your LocalSettings.php? Can you put the entire thing (redacting any passwords or secret key variables) on to a pastebin so we can see it?</s>
:If there are pages that work, and you can edit those pages (not just view) and have the edits show up, then it is some sort of caching issue and not LocalSettings.php
:If you can, linking to your wiki might also be helpful. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
:I searched for "Siteground aggressive caching" and there's some information here: https://www.siteground.com/kb/siteground-dynamic-caching-configuration/ "Our Dynamic caching is a full-page caching mechanism powered by NGINX that’s enabled and running by default on all SiteGround servers. Applications that send the appropriate headers to allow caching will achieve unbeatable website loading speed. ... After this initial request, the SiteGround Dynamic Cache will store your page content in the server’s memory and subsequent requests to the same pages will be handled directly from it as shown ..." I don't know whether it's relevant but it might be a start. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::Most likely what's happening is by default mediawiki sends the cache-control header to prevent caching from happening (Unless [[manual:$wgUseCdn|$wgUseCdn]] is set, the default is to set no cache headers). However when LocalSettings.php has an error, no header is set at all. I'm going to guess that siteground interprets no header at all to mean, "it is ok to cache".
::Usually these type of systems also refuse to cache 500 status code responses. Maybe siteground doesn't follow that convention either. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 04:35, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
::Hey Bawolff, am I understanding correctly - if my MW is working properly, then any time I update a page, it ''is'' refreshed in their cache as a matter of course ("automatically")?
::IOW it was a problem with the gorked LS.php and '''''MW not running at all''''' that caused it to ''not'' refresh the cache... which led to my "apparently-systemic" crash.
::That sound right? It would take a load off my mind to know that this is true.
::I wordsmith and do lots of little edits, and haven't noticed anything not immediately updating (when MW is working okay). [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 15:50, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you! I would not have thought to search on that. Obviously it's suspect. At least now I what to look for ... and look out for. I'll call them about it. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 23:12, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
::I only searched using the word "aggressive" as I thought it might turn up some complaints :-) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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== "permissiondenied" on wikimedia REST API ==
{{Archive top|result=As {{FlowMention|Bawolff}} pointed out, the right "Create, edit, and move pages" is also required.|status=resolved}}

if this is not the right place to ask this, tell me, I'll delete it.

I am using the mediawiki api to upload a file. I am sending a mutlipart POST request to
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?format=json&action=upload&filename=xxx
I am using oAuth2 , so in the header I include my `Autherzation: Bearer accessToken123` and in the body I include my CSRF token, as well as my multipart file, all as per documentation.

However, the response I get from the server is the following:
"error": {
"code": "permissiondenied",
"info": "The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: *, [[Commons:Users|Users]].",
"*": "See https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php for API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at <https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/mediawiki-api-announce.lists.wikimedia.org/> for notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."
},
"servedby": "mw1448"
This would be quite self-explainatory by itself, however when I check my rights/groups with
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/rest.php/oauth2/resource/profile
I get the following:

<code>"sub":xxxx,"username":"xxxxx","editcount":7,"confirmed_email":true,"blocked":false,"registered":"xxxx", "groups":["*","user","autoconfirmed"], "rights":["read","writeapi","viewmyprivateinfo","abusefilter-view","abusefilter-log","upload","upload_by_url","reupload-own","purge","reupload","autoconfirmed","editsemiprotected","skipcaptcha","abusefilter-log-detail","transcode-reset"], "grants":["basic","uploadfile","uploadeditmovefile","privateinfo"],"realname":"","email":"xxxx"</code>

As you can see I am both a part of the required groups and also have the neccessairy `upload` right. The error message is quite clear, so I don't know what I am missing. It is not the CSRF token or access token, supplying these wrong results in a different error message. Any help is appreciated. [[User:UnderwhelmingToaster|UnderwhelmingToaster]] ([[User talk:UnderwhelmingToaster|talk]]) 09:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:Do you have edit and upload grants configured for your oauth app config. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:33, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}} If i view the key under meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:OAuthConsumerRegistration/list, the Applicable grants are:
::*Interact with media
:::Upload new files; Upload, replace, and move files
::*Access private data about you
:::Access private information
:Is this not sufficient? [[User:UnderwhelmingToaster|UnderwhelmingToaster]] ([[User talk:UnderwhelmingToaster|talk]]) 08:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:You might need "Create, edit, and move pages" since uploading an image involves creating a new page. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 10:31, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:This was indeed the problem, thanks :) [[User:UnderwhelmingToaster|UnderwhelmingToaster]] ([[User talk:UnderwhelmingToaster|talk]]) 11:01, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
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== In which file drop down field logic is mentioned for mediawiki ==
{{Archive top|result=Duplicate of [[Topic:Wjbfhw9i9gfk612a]].|status=resolved}}

In which file drop down field logic is mentioned for mediawiki ?

In our case, the drop down field is 'Product Version'. We want to load the product versions from one specific folder locations.

F.e

Navigation\mediawiki\

in the above path, we have created the below folders.

*V1
*V2

We want to load such folder names as DROP down field value. How can we populate such Drop dwon field? in which fie, we need to write the logic? [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 09:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|AshwiniUpasani}} Please stop asking the same thing again and again. Instead, please reply to answers. See [[Topic:Wjbey1qdhxdtaf0y]] and [[Topic:Wjbfhw9i9gfk612a]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 09:44, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Error updating Postgres database to MediaWiki 1.37 ==

MediaWiki Version 1.36.2 > 1.37 beta

Debian 10.11, Postgres 11.13, PHP 7.3

I'm encountering error when upgrade script tries to update database to new version using web interface:

''Changing column type of 'watchlist.wl_namespace' from 'integer' to 'INT'''

''An error occurred:''

''Error 23505: Error: can not create unique index "wl_user_namespace_title"''

''DETAIL: Key (wl_namespace, wl_title, wl_user)=(0, Parijata_-_liść1.jpg, 4) is duplicated.''

''Function: PostgresUpdater::changeField''

''Query: ALTER TABLE "watchlist" ALTER wl_namespace TYPE INT USING 0''

Of course it's duplicated because there are similar rows which differ in wl_namespace only, so when script tries to set it to zero an error occures.

Could you give me an idea of any workaround, please? [[User:MarcinKol|MarcinKol]] ([[User talk:MarcinKol|talk]]) 15:21, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:I would suggest filing a bug at phabricator for this one. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Same here. Upgrade from Version 1.35.1 to 1.36.2. Database PostgreSQL 12 PHP 7.4. Did you write a bugreport? [[Special:Contributions/2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D|2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D]] ([[User talk:2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D|talk]]) 15:27, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Found! T286779 works for me. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D|2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D]] ([[User talk:2003:C9:9F20:A00:5E87:9CFF:FE93:E24D|talk]]) 18:05, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Text-overflow:ellipsis and no-wrap for tables ==

In my case, the first few letters in the table cells are often enough for the reader, so I want to truncate the columns when needed to fit the screen, along with the cell content using ellipsis ("Abcde...") instead of wrapping the text in multiple lines.

Is there a tool for this function or do I have to apply the necessary CSS to the table (which may require div wraps or additional markup)?

I haven't seen any wiki site using this table style (the full cell content is often important), but is there any practical reason to advise against it?

Here's a GIF illustration (not wiki) of what I'm trying to achieve:

https://gifyu.com/image/ef7H [[Special:Contributions/180.190.110.112|180.190.110.112]] ([[User talk:180.190.110.112|talk]]) 18:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:I think you can just add the CSS to MediaWiki:Common.css [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:13, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

== Both password and Reset password not working? ==
{{Archive top|result=Delete browser cookies.|status=resolved}}

'''Update / Fix:''' After @Bawolff's recommend, I googled [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug/Login_problems Manual:How to debug/Login problems] and tried logging in using incognito - and it worked. Which told me it was probably my browser's cookies. So I deleted all the cookies in my local Win10 Chrome for my wiki site and voila, no more problem. Thanks everyone!

-----

What the title says. I didn't change my password but my usual one quit working. So I used Reset Password and typed in what it said ... and it ''still'' doesn't work. I keep getting a message that it's wrong that inevitably leads to the error message:
:There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please resubmit the form.
Fortunately I'm not panicked because it's my tiny personal wiki that only has two accounts for me. The one with problems is my User account, but the admin account has no issues and can log on okay. (But I do all edits with the User account, so folks won't see the admin username.)

If I try to google this, all I get are a zillion hits about how to reset my password. Can someone point me in the right direction? I'm using MW 1.35.1.

P.S. In case it matters: Yesterday I had problems that I later id'd as due to host-server caching problems, thanks to helpful people here. I have manually flushed the server cache to make sure that's not a problem. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 18:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:I had this once but can't remember how it resolved itself - there are LocalSettings.php cache settings you can change - search for something like "mediawiki session hijack cache error". [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks, sigh... I commented out everything I tried. I give up for the day:
:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
#See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:T7irqyk4rhfy3ohk
#$wgSessionCacheType = CACHE_DB;
#Made no difference, sigh
#11/3/21: Okay re: Login problem, let's try this from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Tvx6bgsxmwktdye9
#$wgCookieSecure = false;
#Nope.
#11/3/21 ok made folder and try this from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Pjby0sdeg3e60rfy
#session_save_path("temp");
#Nope
#11/3/21 ok try this from https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45575435/mediawiki-login-cancelled-to-prevent-session-hijacking
#$wgMainCacheType = CACHE_MEMCACHED;
#Crashes wiki
</syntaxhighlight> [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 23:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:Ok, i see you already tried $wgSessionCacheType = CACHE_DB;
:That normally fixes the most common cause. If its not that, probably something wrong with how cookies are set. Try looking in browser dev console. Mediawiku debug log may or may not have useful info. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, OMG it WORKED!
:I wasn't sure what you were even talking about... ''what'' "browser dev console"? The browser on my PC? Something on my SiteGround site tools? Cookies on my PC ... or ones on the host server? I have no idea where any of this would be on the host server, or if there even is such a thing.
:So I googled "Mediawiki browser dev console" and the top hit was [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug/Login_problems Manual:How to debug/Login problems]. One of the first bullets here was "Does it persist after clearing cookies for the wiki domain? When logging in in incognito mode?"
:At which point it hit me... Remember I said I could log in with my Admin account just fine, but not Editor account? Well, I had been logging into the Admin account incognito (Win10 Chrome) so it would not confuse my non-incognito Editor logon. So I tried logging into the Editor account incognito... and it worked!
:So then, given what the Manual said, it seemed quite possible that ''my'' cookies (on my own PC browser) were causing the problem. So I deleted all cookies associated with my tiny wiki website... and Bam, I can log in just fine! (not incognito) Problem fixed... it was just my local cookies!
:Wow this week has been a wringer for me. First on Monday I appear to have completely gorked my wiki due to a simple LocalSettings.php typo... but after hours of frustration, it turns out it wasn't my wiki's problem at all... it was my host's aggressive caching retaining the broke wiki (for up to 12 hours!)... who'd have thought that all my desperate fixes were thereby having zero effect? How is anybody supposed to know this? lol
:Then Wednesday I can't log in to my own site. Did I break something trying to deal with the caching problem? So I'm randomly trying crap (shown above) that I have no idea what it is, to fix I know not what. And ultimately, ''again'', it has nothing to do with my actual wiki... it's the cookies on my own PC. What in the heck do they have to do with the logon to a site on a completely separate server? Again, how can this even matter, and how is anybody supposed to know this?
:Anyway, you've rescued me twice now, @Bawolff. Seriously, can I send you some cash via PayPal or something? And @Jonathan3 and others here have tried to help mightily. Many thanks for all your aid!
:Wow MediaWiki and websites in general can be so obtuse. (And of course it's not just MW's problem; it goes for any web work.) It's as if you have to become fluent in 20 different languages and areas of knowledge to do one thing. Nobody told me that before I decided to make my own tiny website, ha ha.
:'''Edit:''' I updated the OP to put the solution up top. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 12:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Translation tools ==

When mediawiki is going to get the new tools available in beta in wikipedia ? I am especially interested in the translation tools to help translate the content of my site. [[User:Monstr6|Monstr6]] ([[User talk:Monstr6|talk]]) 20:32, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:All of these tools are available. However many of them require extensions to be installed.
:Content translation is a bit of a weird one though. Does [[Content translation/Developers/Setup]] help? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks for the info ... Maybe I dont know the right repository for all extensions ? [[User:Monstr6|Monstr6]] ([[User talk:Monstr6|talk]]) 15:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

== Error 406 on some sites ==

Hi,
I'm only an end user but suffer from the problem to be unable to edit quite a few of my pages, there's an error 406.
Forum: https://organindex.de

Software Version
MediaWiki 1.34.1
PHP 7.4.22 (fpm-fcgi)
MySQL 5.7.34-37-log
ICU 65.1

I even created a list of those faulty pages:
https://organindex.de/index.php?title=Kategorie:Defekt

Any clue what's going on here?
Thansk! Martin [[Special:Contributions/2A01:598:81BF:CC7E:3A43:290E:591A:4028|2A01:598:81BF:CC7E:3A43:290E:591A:4028]] ([[User talk:2A01:598:81BF:CC7E:3A43:290E:591A:4028|talk]]) 20:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
:406 is an unusual error. Assuming it is happening on normal web browsers, i would say server misconfiguration (probably not at the mediawiki layer but at the webserver layer) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks. These error message indeed redirects (here, oh, I triggered the abusefilter here ("linkspam"), please google "easyname+faq+406", also in english). Probably a firewall problem.
:But only a few sites are affected, for the majority there is no problem. And the blocking for edits seems to bei inifinite. Is it possible that only "heavy users" (as I am) are affected? What could have lead to this? Too many hits? Is the solution to turn the firewall off? Thanks again. [[Special:Contributions/2A01:598:B9A9:505:1124:2323:6CD4:F43E|2A01:598:B9A9:505:1124:2323:6CD4:F43E]] ([[User talk:2A01:598:B9A9:505:1124:2323:6CD4:F43E|talk]]) 04:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:If I look at your list, it seems that all pages that are not editable seem to be page titles with a comma in them, which seems like a likely culprit. There might be a rule somewhere in your web server that is not properly query parameters with comma's in it, for whatever reason. This is very particular to your web server setup and/or hosting platform, so without details on that it's very difficult to say.
:I suggest you get my theory for confirmation and then try to work from that, slowly going through each of the layers of your server to then pinpoint the layer that is messing up. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 10:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:No, the commas are not the culprit, we have them regularly in the titles. But it's of help to know that it is not related to mediawiki but the server config. I also thought that perhaps a faulty backup could have caused this? I see no rule whether a site is affected or not. The problem is I'm not an admin there and so can't investigate further. But I collect your tips for forwarding. Martin [[Special:Contributions/2A01:598:81BA:B9DD:1E45:435:5ED:E4A9|2A01:598:81BA:B9DD:1E45:435:5ED:E4A9]] ([[User talk:2A01:598:81BA:B9DD:1E45:435:5ED:E4A9|talk]]) 11:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Anyone? [[Special:Contributions/89.244.118.114|89.244.118.114]] ([[User talk:89.244.118.114|talk]]) 11:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
:Ah, I just noticed: the problem are linked external sites with PHP (or some other skripts).
:E.g.
:<code>http[s]://www.euleorgelbau.de/front_content.php?idart=106
:but also (afaics)
:htt[p]://orgbase.nl/scripts/ogb.exe?database=ob2&%250=2008372&LGE=NL&LIJST=lang (rmeove brackets, I got a linkspam block)
:If they are removed all is fine (as it was on creation date!) Is this perhaps a server security feature setting? It has really nothing to do with mediawiki. But I have no clue in this thematics.. Martin [[Special:Contributions/80.187.105.91|80.187.105.91]] ([[User talk:80.187.105.91|talk]]) 15:03, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

== LDAP Integration. ==

Hello,

I am trying to setup LDAP auth which will allow only users which belong to a group to be able to login to mediawiki page.

I am new to this and I don't really know if this enough or not for this type of auth.

Please help me out if this conf is ok or what am I missing to make it work.

Thank you!

This s my ldap.jso config:

<code>{</code>

<code> "ad.local": {</code>

<code> "connection": {</code>

<code> "server": "ad.local",</code>

<code> "port": "3268",</code>

<code> "user": "CN=MediawikiAuth,OU=Wiki,OU=Users,DC=ad,DC=local",</code>

<code> "pass": "test123#",</code>

<code> "enctype": "clear",</code>

<code> "options": {</code>

<code> "LDAP_OPT_DEREF": 1</code>

<code> },</code>

<code> "basedn": "dc=ad,dc=local",</code>

<code> "userbasedn": "dc=ad,dc=local",</code>

<code> "groupbasedn": "dc=ad,dc=local",</code>

<code> "searchattribute": "samaccountname",</code>

<code> "usernameattribute": "samaccountname",</code>

<code> "realnameattribute": "displayname",</code>

<code> "emailattribute": "mail",</code>

<code> "grouprequest": "MediaWiki\\Extension\\LDAPProvider\\UserGroupsRequest\\UserMemberOf::factory",</code>

<code> "presearchusernamemodifiers": [ "spacestounderscores", "lowercase" ]</code>

<code> },</code>

<code>"authorization": {</code>

<code>"rules": {</code>

<code>"groups": {</code>

<code>"required": { "WIKI" }</code>

<code> }</code>

<code> }</code>

<code> }</code>

<code>}</code>

and my localsettings.php

<code>// Safe IP or not (for bypassing external login via AD)</code>

<code>$safeIPs = array('127.0.0.1','localhost');</code>

<code>$ipsVars = array('HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR','HTTP_X_REAL_IP','REMOTE_ADDR');</code>

<code>foreach ($ipsVars as $ipsVar) {</code>

<code>if (isset($_SERVER[$ipsVar]) && mb_strlen($_SERVER[$ipsVar]) > 3 ) { $wikiRequestIP = $_SERVER[$ipsVar]; break; }</code>

<code>}</code>

<code>$wikiRequestSafe = (isset($wikiRequestIP) && ( in_array($wikiRequestIP,$safeIPs) ));</code>

<code>// Private Wiki. External LDAP login. Default NS requires login.</code>

<code>$wgEmailConfirmToEdit = false;</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['createaccount'] = false;</code>

<code>$wgGroupPermissions['*']['autocreateaccount'] = true;</code>

<code>$wgBlockDisablesLogin = true;</code>

<code>// Load LDAP Config from JSON</code>

<code>$ldapJsonFile = "/var/www/ldap.json";</code>

<code>$ldapConfig = false;</code>

<code>if (is_file($ldapJsonFile) && is_dir("$IP/extensions/LDAPProvider")) {</code>

<code> $testJson = @json_decode(file_get_contents($ldapJsonFile),true);</code>

<code> if (is_array($testJson)) {</code>

<code># $ldapConfig = true;</code>

<code> } else {</code>

<code> error_log("Found invalid JSON in file: $IP/ldap.json");</code>

<code> }</code>

<code>}</code>

<code>// Activate Extension</code>

<code>if ( $ldapConfig ) {</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'PluggableAuth' );</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'LDAPProvider' );</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'LDAPAuthentication2' );</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'LDAPAuthorization' );</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'LDAPUserInfo' );</code>

<code> wfLoadExtension( 'LDAPGroups' );</code>

<code> $LDAPProviderDomainConfigs = $ldapJsonFile;</code>

<code> $wgPluggableAuth_ButtonLabel = "Log In";</code>

<code> if ($wikiRequestSafe) { $LDAPAuthentication2AllowLocalLogin = true; }</code>

<code>}</code> [[User:Synack99|Synack99]] ([[User talk:Synack99|talk]]) 10:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

== Broken redirects - gateway timeout ==
{{Flow summary|Solution: $wgMiserMode = true and updateSpecialPages.php via crontab}}

MW 1.31.15, PHP 7.2 (productive wiki) - also MW 1.35.4 PHP 7.4 (test wiki)

The special page "broken redirects" always used to run veeery long but it finally came to an end and served the results. For a few weeks now we are encountering a gateway timeout after approx. 30-60 seconds (prod) or 300 seconds (test). This is curious because all relevant timeout settings (Apache & PHP) are 30 seconds and never did matter nor did I ever make a change ... Only thing I changed recently was moving from mod_php to php_fpm (which has its own ini file, yes, but uses the same timeouts). Next thing I don't understand, why does it run very much longer in the test wiki ignoring the timeout settings ...

Here at mediawiki.org, the "broken redirects" page shows a cached page. Very good idea! How can I achieve this? [[Special:Contributions/2003:C2:3F22:8200:245E:7224:C646:1623|2003:C2:3F22:8200:245E:7224:C646:1623]] ([[User talk:2003:C2:3F22:8200:245E:7224:C646:1623|talk]]) 12:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Its related to the size of your wiki.
:See [[manual:$wgMiserMode]] and [[manual:updateSpecialPages.php]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:24, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Excellent! Works. 1000 Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/2003:C2:3F22:8200:BDB0:2F72:D12F:EB85|2003:C2:3F22:8200:BDB0:2F72:D12F:EB85]] ([[User talk:2003:C2:3F22:8200:BDB0:2F72:D12F:EB85|talk]]) 10:29, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

== Deleting users ==

Is there an easy way to delete all inactive users or those who never contributed? I have a wiki which was inactive for 10 years and more than 10K users, most of them are fake/ghosts and never contributed .... Thanks [[User:Monstr6|Monstr6]] ([[User talk:Monstr6|talk]]) 15:09, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
:Fortunately there is - [[Manual:removeUnusedAccounts.php]]. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 18:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

== Hey folks, how can I help? ==

Wanna make the internet a better place. [[User:Codylodge|Codylodge]] ([[User talk:Codylodge|talk]]) 13:00, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, [[How_to_contribute]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 23:02, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Codylodge}} If you want to contribute on wikipedia then see this [[VisualEditor]] [[User:Tanbirzx|↠Tanbirzx]] [[User talk:Tanbirzx|(✉)]] 19:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
::{{FlowMention|Tanbirzx}} That's a team project page and not particularly helpful? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 11:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
::{{FlowMention|Malyacko}} Oh i am sorry, that is my mistake. [[User:Tanbirzx|↠Tanbirzx]] [[User talk:Tanbirzx|(✉)]] 18:36, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:If you're interested in contributing to wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia is probably a much better page than the visual editor page. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 00:50, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

== Lesson learned: Can't fix a gorked LocalSettings.php; whole wiki hosed? Might only be temporary; host server caching ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

Hi, this is a cautionary tale that I, an amateur web dev, hope will help others.

A few days ago I made a typo in my LocalSettings.php (LS.php) that appeared to completely break my wiki. No matter how I tried to fix it - even reverting to a LS.php from ''6 months before'' and ''even'' doing a backup of my entire site via a host-server utility - did not appear to fix what was a simple typo. Every page I checked gave the same LS.php error. Here are [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Wjkxucw6dx3t5zaa the gory details] if you want to see.

To jump to the end of a long day of hair-pulling: Thanks to @Jonathan3, @TheDJ, and especially @Bawolff, I found that actually my host provider (SiteGround or SG) was using aggressive server caching. Which is to say that when I typo'd my LS.php, the mistake was cached, and future external page calls only returned the broken file. Desperate, I opened a lot of wiki pages to see which ones worked. All this did was serve them with the cached broken page too, since they all use my LS.php.

After some hours, my various pages gradually magically got better, apparently without me doing anything. (I had applied LS.php fix hours before.) This is because the apparently-fixed pages refreshed their cache page over the course of hours.

On to the fixes:
*Bawolff said try "bypassing the caching by ending '''&x=1234''' at the end of the url.
This type of caching is usually not on by default (and mw has to be configured special for it to work properly) so that may or may not do anything." This worked fine for me and was my first solid clue as to my super-baffling problem. (Experientially it's a real mind bender because you ''know'' you fixed the typo - but everything still appears to stay broken!) But &x=1234 is only a bandaid... you still get the cached page if you don't use it. And of course, other people trying to access your site will not know to add &x=1234.
*Jonathan3 sent me [https://www.siteground.com/kb/siteground-dynamic-caching-configuration/ a page about SG using caching.] You can search on your host's name and caching or aggressive caching to see if it has it (or just use &x=1234 to see if it fixes it).
*In SG's Site Tools (modern equivalent of the old cPanel), there's a place to '''manually flush the cache''' for my whole site (Speed / Caching / Dynamic Caching / Flush Cache). But of course, this is a hassle to do every time you update a page.
*Bawolff added relative to LS.php:
::Most likely what's happening is by default mediawiki sends the cache-control header to prevent caching from happening (unless $wgUseCdn is set, the default is to set no cache headers). However when LocalSettings.php has an error, no header is set at all. I'm going to guess that siteground interprets no header at all to mean, "it is ok to cache".
::Usually these type of systems also refuse to cache 500 status code responses. Maybe siteground doesn't follow that convention either.
:Note that this is saying, it's only a problem with LS.php (or some similar "supra Mediawiki" file). IOW when MediaWiki is working correctly, it refreshes the cache for any wiki pages you update. Thus ordinarily you don't have to worry about your host's caching; updated wiki pages will be re-cached. But when the LS.php (or similar uber-file) breaks, '''you do''' have to worry about caching. Fixes to LS.php can effectively appear to have no effect.
*I talked extensively with SG tech support but they were unapologetic. Even when I explained the nightmare it caused to unaware clients, they said caching "is enabled by default because we would like to ensure the websites hosted on our platforms benefit from optimal response time." They have a plug-in called "SG Optimizer" that specifically refreshes any updated pages (nice!) but wouldn't you know it, it's only for ''WordPress'' (not MediaWiki). Everybody else has to use [https://www.siteground.com/kb/disable-dynamic-caching-website/ clunky all-or-none approaches;] there's no way to refresh the cache only for updated pages. Also their Site Tools don't simply let you turn it off (why not??), although I think you can submit a ticket to request it.

So this is just a cautionary tale that can really trip up a novice. For special files like LS.php, caching can keep showing an error that and make your whole site ''seem'' to be unable to be fixed. SG's caching can last up to '''12 hours!'''

'''''But''''' it only applies to special files like LS.php. Ordinarily - when MediaWiki is working right - it automatically refreshes cached pages for any wiki page you up date.

I'm sure there are other amateurs like me who get walloped hard by this very perplexing problem. Hope this helps. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 14:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Wikiseo setting ==

Hello I am new here please I want to make some settings to my wikiseo.

{{#seo:
|title=Your page title
|titlemode=append
|keywords=these,are,your,keywords
|description=Your meta description
|image=Uploaded_file.png
|image_alt=Wiki Logo
}}

Where will I get the file to use in the

image=Uploaded_file.png

Will I upload it on my Wiki site or I will upload it on my Server.

And secondly what will be in the Image alt. Will I just leave it as Wiki Logo [[User:Zamaniiiipusu|Zamaniiiipusu]] ([[User talk:Zamaniiiipusu|talk]]) 09:15, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, what is "wikiseo"? Please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar first. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 14:19, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
:I haven't used that extension, but im pretty sure its upload to your wiki. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:49, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

== Wiki title on google ==

Hello why does my wiki have this on google

Instead of

Mediawiki

It is like this

- mediawiki

https://paste.pics/aab51d683723fae517185fe43da02444 [[User:Zamaniiiipusu|Zamaniiiipusu]] ([[User talk:Zamaniiiipusu|talk]]) 09:21, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
:You need to ask Google for this. See also [[phab:T289634]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 14:18, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

== can't log in ==

I'm logged in on Edge. But I tried to log in on Chrome. I know my password. The website said it was the wrong password. I changed my password. I still can't log in. What do I do next? [[User:Reluctantspy|Reluctantspy]] ([[User talk:Reluctantspy|talk]]) 01:54, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:I guess the new password just took awhile. I'm logged in now. had to create a new account with a new name to access this help page.
:But now I have a new problem. I have 1 review for my book but it was posted before I sent the books out. How does that happen? And there is no actual review. Just a star rating. [[User:Reluctantspy|Reluctantspy]] ([[User talk:Reluctantspy|talk]]) 02:10, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:I think you're in the wrong place. Note, we are not associated with librarything if that's what you're talking about. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

== timestamp of the last contribution ==

Hello,

I would like to know if there is something that displays the timestamp of the last contribution of a user

Thank you [[Special:Contributions/77.152.229.29|77.152.229.29]] ([[User talk:77.152.229.29|talk]]) 14:38, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:The bottom of any page in MediaWiki has "Last edited: date, time" —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 18:06, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|TheDJ}}Thank you very much for this answer but I was looking for a way to display in a text the timestamp of the last contribution of a user for example the timestamp of my last contribution. [[Special:Contributions/77.152.229.29|77.152.229.29]] ([[User talk:77.152.229.29|talk]]) 16:43, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:You cannot currently do that, because there is no cache invalidation for that pattern (the rendering page would have to be informed each time the listed editor makes an edit) —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 19:02, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:Ok, thank you ! [[Special:Contributions/77.152.229.29|77.152.229.29]] ([[User talk:77.152.229.29|talk]]) 16:53, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

== Configuring LocalSettings: CSS not loading ==

Yes I know its a common issue but after browsing a few threads I still didn't get it to work. I am not a skilled sysadmin :(

I tried setting up a propper domain name using noip /ddns. Worked fine. Then I tried to change my default index landing page and added a .htaccess file. It did change my landing page but broke my site --> CSS not loading anymore.

Deleting the htaccess file didn't undo the error.

Inspecting the site I get the following error:

''Refused to apply style from '<nowiki>http://eidoswiki.ddns.net/eidosWiki/load.php?lang=en&modules=skins.vector.styles.legacy&only=styles&skin=vector'</nowiki> because its MIME type ('text/html') is not a supported stylesheet MIME type, and strict MIME checking is enabled.''

I believe it has to do something with my LocalSettings. I changed the wgServer variable. Any pointers into the right direction are very much appreciated :) Kind regards [[Special:Contributions/2003:C1:F20:F65D:28D4:C742:D930:E1E4|2003:C1:F20:F65D:28D4:C742:D930:E1E4]] ([[User talk:2003:C1:F20:F65D:28D4:C742:D930:E1E4|talk]]) 18:06, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:It looks like something is still wrong with rewrite rules. Are you sure you fully deleted .htaccess?
:http://eidoswiki.ddns.net/eidosWiki/load.php is being redirected to your landing page. It should not be. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 00:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:I have indeed removed the htaccess file in question. It still does not work.
:I changed the $wgServer var back to its ip aka "http----://123.123.123.123". I still have no clue why it is still redirecting tho...
:The only other htaccess files I could find were in subdirectories of the wiki root folder (which as far as I know are there by default) [[Special:Contributions/2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639|2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639]] ([[User talk:2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639|talk]]) 15:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:(Please ignore the extra lines in the link, but I tripped the anti link spam somehow :P) [[Special:Contributions/2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639|2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639]] ([[User talk:2003:C1:F20:F605:D19E:2FA8:A350:639|talk]]) 15:56, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

== Add revision comment after save ==

Is it possible to add a revision comment (to be seen in page history etc) if none was typed at the time of the edit? Thanks. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:08, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
:Not without manual db intervention.
:Sometimes people use tags for after the fact annotations. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 00:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

== Broken "next page" link on category page. ==

I have a category which has gone past the 200 mark. My media wiki shows the first 200 pages:

The following 200 pages are in this category, out of 238 total.
However it shows only the following below that:
(previous page) ()

The "next page" is not showing and I would like to fix it.

I am on media wiki 1.36.1 with PHP 7.45.25 and PostgreSQL 13.4. Also I have Cargo 3.0 installed

Thanks [[User:Lbundle|Lbundle]] ([[User talk:Lbundle|talk]]) 01:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:Try running [[Manual:recountCategories.php|recountCategories.php]] (do it one time for each --mode). If that doesn't fix it, run:
:[[manual:updateCollation.php|updateCollation.php]] --force [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:33, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:I have tried all the recountCategories and updateCollation and it did not help. The problem seems to be in the code generated:
:(previous page) (
: <a href="/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Books&amp;amp;pagefrom=Lewis+Carroll+in+Numberland%0Alewis+carroll+in+numberland#mw-pages" title="Category:Books"></a>
: )
:It seems to generate the right code, but somehow is missing the "next page" between <nowiki><a> and </a></nowiki>. Is my installation faulty?[[User:Lbundle|Lbundle]] ([[User talk:Lbundle|talk]]) 14:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:Oh weird. I have no idea. If the message was missing the output should be different. I guess its some sort of weird bug.
:You could try adding &uselang=qqx to end of page to figure out message name, and see what the corresponding mediawiki namespace page is set to [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Bawolff,
:I have added ?uselang=qqx and the next page link does show up as 'next-page'. Also if I choose French as a language it shows the page link. Anything with a fallback to English seems to fail. I have checked in i18n/en.json for any obvious problems and all the translations seem to be there. This is a mystery.
:In the meantime I have $wgCategoryPagingLimit set to 1000 to mitigate the issue for now.
:[[User:Lbundle|Lbundle]] ([[User talk:Lbundle|talk]]) 13:29, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Using copy of Wikipedia template 'Tlg' on fandom.com yields Lua error ==

I was trying to implement Wikipedia's 'Template link general' template (and related templates), along with the required modules. Everything went smoothly until I tried using the template, at which point it resulted in this error message: "'''Lua error in Module:Template_link_general at line 119: attempt to concatenate local 'titlePart' (a nil value)."'''. (When using <nowiki>{{tlc}}</nowiki> as follows: <nowiki>{{tlc|=}}</nowiki>.)

I tried using <nowiki>{{tlg}}</nowiki> and I'm not too sure what the result means in terms of if I've done things right, but it <nowiki>({{tlg|=}})</nowiki> yielded: <nowiki>{{'''Template:=/doc'''}}</nowiki> formatted as seen here. This is the name of the page that it was being used on (the template's <nowiki>({{=}})</nowiki> documentation page).

I asked on Wikipedia's 'Teahouse' (for a related but not identical issue), Wikipedia's 'Live Help Channel'-thing, and Wikipedia's help desk until someone helpfully pointed out that asking here would probably be a better idea, so here I am!

I should also point out that I'm not entirely sure if I'm using the correct (or at least proper) template for the job. I was really just trying to replicate a style I saw on Wikipedia and it was done using these templates, although I'm not sure what these are actually meant for. So, another solution could be to find a work around to achieve the same effect through a different method? (If that makes even a lick of sense!)

Either way, any help is greatly appreciated!

I would give the name of the wiki but its kinda cringy so I'm hoping I might not need to (though it seems that I will have to) as to not embarrass myself!

Anyway I've rambled enough, so I'll leave it to you experts! - Pigeon <3 [[User:Thatgaypigeon|Thatgaypigeon]] ([[User talk:Thatgaypigeon|talk]]) 11:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:P.S. Sorry for the bad and unreadable formatting :/ [[User:Thatgaypigeon|Thatgaypigeon]] ([[User talk:Thatgaypigeon|talk]]) 11:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:Replied at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=1054183500#Use_of_'Tlg'_template_on_fandom.com_causes_Lua_error after coming here to see the wrong usage of the templates which wasn't posted to Wikipedia. An unnamed parameter cannot contain an ordinary equals sign. You can write <code><nowiki>{{tlc|1==}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{tlc|{{=}}}}</nowiki></code>. It's the same with <code><nowiki>{{tlg}}</nowiki></code>. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
:Oh, got it. Thank you so much! <3 [[User:Thatgaypigeon|Thatgaypigeon]] ([[User talk:Thatgaypigeon|talk]]) 13:14, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

== Is there any ways to make an html link open a LAN folder? ==

We have users want to link to files directly on the LAN into the wiki pages. Is there any ways to do that? [[User:Frizzow|Frizzow]] ([[User talk:Frizzow|talk]]) 06:05, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
:[[Help_talk:Links#How_to_link_with_a_local_file?]] —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 09:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

== Incorrect or missing CAPTCHA. ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

[https://wiki-square.win/index.php/Watch_Out:_How_wizardofozslot.org_spartacus_Is_Taking_Over_and_What_to_Do_About_It https://wikisquare.win/index.php/Watch_Out:_How_wizardofozslot.org_spartacus_Is_Taking_Over_and_What_to_Do_About_It] want to create account even answering correct it is sayinh Incorrect or missing CAPTCHA. [[User:Suneetrana1989|Suneetrana1989]] ([[User talk:Suneetrana1989|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:You have to ask site admin of that wiki. We cant help. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:26, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:ok.Thanks [[User:Suneetrana1989|Suneetrana1989]] ([[User talk:Suneetrana1989|talk]]) 07:42, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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== help with some error ==

what usually cause this

'''Lua error in Module:TNT at line 159: Missing JsonConfig extension; Cannot load https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:I18n/Uses TemplateStyles.tab.''' [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 06:20, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Its caused by not having [[extension:JsonConfig]] (warning, its a bit of a pain to get working) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== wikibase/wikidata related question ==

== HElp with index.php ==

I changed my inde.php to wiki

it was like this before

https://en.wikipedia.org/index.php/Main_Page

and now it is like this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

but the problem is both of them are working...

If you check wikipedia own here https://en.wikipedia.org/index.php/Main_Page it said file not found... How do i set mine to that way??? [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 07:13, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:However,
:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php/Main_Page is found
:You can move index.php to a different place, but its important it still exists somewhere. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
::How How do I move the file without it causing problem.... Which path do you think i should move it to...On shared hosting [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 07:34, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
::You need to make sure $wgScriptPath (and possibly htaccess stuff) corresponds to whereever you move it, otherwise you can just move the mediawiki directory. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:How do I set up this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php/Main_Page I mean [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 07:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Main Page title hide ==
{{Archive top|result=the css was modified|status=resolved}}

Hello i hide my Main Page Title last month ..... today I Imported some template .. now it is back..what can i do? [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 07:19, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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== MediaWiki "broken" - professionel help wanted. ==

I have been running a Mediawiki for several years. Sadly I have never bothered to acquaint myself with how to back it up or update it. The Wiki cannot access the information in the database, although the database itself seems intact. Help (also payed help) would be gratly appreciated.

Tillman [[User:RembertRover|RembertRover]] ([[User talk:RembertRover|talk]]) 10:16, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar. Please share error messages instead of paraphrasing them, and please share where exactly these messages come from, and how you get to conclusions. Thanks a lot! [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 11:23, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Migration from Sharepoint to Mediawiki ==

Hi Team,
Is there any migration tool available that will covert from Sharepoint site contents to Mediawiki format? Please suggest valuable solution for the same.
Thanks [[Special:Contributions/1.39.78.247|1.39.78.247]] ([[User talk:1.39.78.247|talk]]) 10:37, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Team,
:There is a ticket(#2021110810004251) has been raised for the same query. Please help us
:Thanks [[Special:Contributions/1.39.78.247|1.39.78.247]] ([[User talk:1.39.78.247|talk]]) 10:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:(There is no "team", we are communities.) Ticket where (URL)? Please provide sufficient context - thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 11:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Is there any way to output Markdown in MediaWiki? ==

MediaWiki 1.36.1

I save the MediaWiki input containing Markdown just as I would save any other MediaWiki page but I need it to output the Markdown just an Markdown would be outputted anywhere else which supports Markdown (say, GitHub). [[Special:Contributions/49.230.139.94|49.230.139.94]] ([[User talk:49.230.139.94|talk]]) 12:51, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe this unmaintained extension?
:[[Extension:Markdown]] [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:23, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

== Remove a link from left sidebar menu of wiki. ==

Hi Team,

If we want to remove any link like download as pdf from my side bar menu.

pls suggets how to remove that one.

{| class="wikitable"
|[https://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki]
|1.35.3
|-
|[https://php.net/ PHP]
|7.4.23 (apache2handler)
|-
|[https://www.mysql.com/ MySQL]
|8.0.26
|-
|[http://www.lua.org/ Lua]
|5.1.5
|} [[User:Pooja2425|Pooja2425]] ([[User talk:Pooja2425|talk]]) 13:47, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:Is this something that's in the Mediawiki:Sidebar page? [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
::yes {{FlowMention|Jonathan3}} i need to remove a single link from mediawiki side bar .
::pls suggest any solution. [[User:Pooja2425|Pooja2425]] ([[User talk:Pooja2425|talk]]) 09:52, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:Remove the collections extension (if you dont want it) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:43, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:HI {{FlowMention|Bawolff}},
:By Removing Collection extension it removed the all links under Print/export .
:I just need to remove one single link ie.
:*[https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:DownloadAsPdf&page=Topic%3AWk2mi249e2li4k9h&action=show-download-screen Download as PDF] [[User:Pooja2425|Pooja2425]] ([[User talk:Pooja2425|talk]]) 09:15, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:You can hide with css in mediawiki:common.css (although i dont know what the selector is) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:55, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:Try this in MediaWiki:Common.css:
:<syntaxhighlight>
#coll-download-as-rl {
display: none;
}
</syntaxhighlight>
:I've not checked it but from looking at https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Help:Books, which uses the Collection extension, it looks like it might work. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 23:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== What is wrong with this API.php call? ==

While logged on to my wiki, one of my Javascripts does the following:

```

var xhr = new XMLHttpRequest();

var url = "/wiki4/api.php";

var params = {action: "purge", titles: title, format: "json"};

xhr.open ('POST', url, true);

xhr.setRequestHeader("Content-Type", "application/json;charset=UTF-8");

xhr.send(JSON.stringify( params ));

```

I get back HTML (instead of json) and the contenst is the Mediawiki Api help.

What am I doing wrong? [[Special:Contributions/2003:E7:5705:8000:1D2E:F0CF:5268:FE93|2003:E7:5705:8000:1D2E:F0CF:5268:FE93]] ([[User talk:2003:E7:5705:8000:1D2E:F0CF:5268:FE93|talk]]) 17:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
:You are sending the arguments as json. This is not supported. Send as application/x-www-form-urlencoded [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:42, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

== How can people give money to wikimedia ==

I am severely disabled. I have limited resources. Thus I rely on the generosity of the open source movement to survive. I contribute where I can. But one thing I can do is contribute money. Its not much and usually happens by money I have saved from my food budget (this is not a bad thing - I need autophagy to heal myself - but it helps keep me going by thinking I am contributing to an external project)

When I am asked to, and if I can, I contribute money to wikipedia but that's not wikimedia, and wikimedia supports a lot of things I use. Yet try as i might I can see how to give money when I can to wikimedia. I am sure you probably raise money from charitable foundations, companies etc, and I'm just a user but I want to help and sometimes money is all I can give

I have searched on how to contribute and there is no obvious route to giving money. Could wikimedia set up a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberapay account so I could contribute via that? I would prefer to not use tools such as Patreon - who whilst a great company, they do charge a tax on every contribution

Sorry for not logging in. I am trying to remember my user identity on here and if I can add it to this after I manage to log in I will. Thank you for your time. Kate [[Special:Contributions/82.6.141.57|82.6.141.57]] ([[User talk:82.6.141.57|talk]]) 13:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi and thanks! :) Please see https://donate.wikimedia.org/ , as this page is more about questions how to use the MediaWiki software instead. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 15:11, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:Wikimedia supports wikipedia and other things. The wikipedia brand is put first because it is more recognizable. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:53, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

== Fatal error in update ==

I upgraded from MediaWiki version 1.31 to version 1.35/1.36, and I got various errors. When I tried to replace the files in my AbuseFilter, I got this:

'''Fatal error''': Uncaught Error: Class 'MediaWiki\Extension\AbuseFilter\FilterUser' not found in /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/extensions/AbuseFilter/includes/ServiceWiring.php:104 Stack trace: #0 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(125): require() #1 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(410): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->loadWiringFiles(Array) #2 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(248): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices::newInstance(Object(GlobalVarConfig), 'load') #3 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/includes/exception/MWExceptionHandler.php(129): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices::getInstance() #4 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/includes/exception/MWExceptionHandler.php(184): MWExceptionHandler::rollbackMasterChangesAndLog(Object(Error), 'mwe_handler') #5 /home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/includes/exception/MWExceptionHandler.php(156): MWExceptionHandler::handleException(Object(Error), 'mwe_handler') #6 [internal function]: MWExc in '''/home/gjlxrtap/public_html/mw19/extensions/AbuseFilter/includes/ServiceWiring.php''' on line '''104''' [[User:Newman2|Newman2]] ([[User talk:Newman2|talk]]) 14:47, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:What exactly does "trying to replace the files in my AbuseFilter" mean? Please be very specific. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 15:10, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:I'm going to guess that you have copied the old extension folder across to your new version of MediaWiki. How about downloading the AbuseFilter extension's latest version instead? [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:58, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== How to use Google Analytics for my wiki? ==

Hey everyone. Hope all is well.

I currently opened a new account for google analytics to track my wiki. I was able to install and configure the HTML extension to my wiki and added the script what was given by google analytics. Now i am confused as to how to track each page on my wiki. not sure where to go from here. Can someone please help and provide instructions? I've checked several sources online for this but im not the most tech-savy person so a lot of the instructions are quite confusing to me.

TIA [[User:Thepainking|Thepainking]] ([[User talk:Thepainking|talk]]) 18:29, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar, and link to the exact extension this is about. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 20:35, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

== Error after update 1.26.4 to 1.35.4 ==
{{Archive top|result=fixed ;)|status=resolved}}

Hey everyone.

After update my MediaWiki to 1.35.4 i get the following error:

[d2973f697a062572400be24f] /WikiCallisto/ Wikimedia\Assert\ParameterTypeException from line 105 of /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/vendor/wikimedia/assert/src/Assert.php: Bad value for parameter $legacyEncoding: must be a string

Backtrace:

<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/Storage/SqlBlobStore.php(175): Wikimedia\Assert\Assert::parameterType(array, boolean, string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/Storage/BlobStoreFactory.php(114): MediaWiki\Storage\SqlBlobStore->setLegacyEncoding(boolean)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/Revision/RevisionStoreFactory.php(127): MediaWiki\Storage\BlobStoreFactory->newSqlBlobStore(boolean)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/ServiceWiring.php(1026): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStoreFactory->getRevisionStore()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(447): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->{closure}(MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(416): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->createService(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(1120): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->getService(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(540): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices->getRevisionStore()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(445): MessageCache->loadFromDB(string, NULL)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(368): MessageCache->loadFromDBWithLock(string, array, NULL)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1108): MessageCache->load(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1034): MessageCache->getMsgFromNamespace(string, string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1005): MessageCache->getMessageForLang(Language, string, boolean, array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(947): MessageCache->getMessageFromFallbackChain(Language, string, boolean)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>14 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/language/Message.php(1304): MessageCache->get(string, boolean, Language)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>15 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/language/Message.php(862): Message->fetchMessage()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>16 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/language/Message.php(954): Message->toString(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>17 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/Title.php(661): Message->text()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>18 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/MediaWiki.php(131): Title::newMainPage()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>19 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/MediaWiki.php(151): MediaWiki->parseTitle()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>20 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/MediaWiki.php(902): MediaWiki->getTitle()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>21 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/includes/MediaWiki.php(543): MediaWiki->main()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>22 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>23 /var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>24 {main}

Does anyone know what went wrong with the update?

Thank you in advance for your help. [[User:Cwrulez|Cwrulez]] ([[User talk:Cwrulez|talk]]) 00:25, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:The issue emerges from an extension calles "WikiCallisto". Unfortunately this extension is not described on mediawiki.org. I also didn't find any information about it on the web. It is probably some customization made specifically for callisto.com.br.
:The extension probably just has compatibility issues with the new MediaWiki version.
:You may check the file <code>/var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/extension.json</code> or <code>/var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/WikiCallisto.php</code> to find out about potential maintainers. [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 09:14, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Osnard, thanks for your reply.
:But "WikiCallisto" is not a extension.
:var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/ is a MediaWiki root.
:'''-> Files not found:'''
:var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/extension.json
:and
:/var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/WikiCallisto.php
:'''-> "/var/www/html/callisto.com.br/web/WikiCallisto/extensions" dir list:'''
:- CategoryTree
:- Cite
:- CiteThisPage
:- CodeEditor
:- ConfirmEdit
:- Gadgets
:- ImageMap
:- InputBox
:- Interwiki
:- LocalisationUpdate
:- MultimediaViewer
:- Nuke
:- OATHAuth
:- PageImages
:- ParserFunctions
:- PdfHandler
:- Poem
:- Renameuser
:- ReplaceText
:- Scribunto
:- SecureLinkFixer
:- SpamBlacklist
:- SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
:- TemplateData
:- TextExtracts
:- TitleBlacklist
:- VisualEditor
:- WikiEditor
:Any suggestions to fix this problem?
:Thank you in advance for your help. [[User:Cwrulez|Cwrulez]] ([[User talk:Cwrulez|talk]]) 12:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:'''Problem fixed ;)'''
:'''-> change this line in "LocalSettings.php"'''
:$wgLegacyEncoding = true;
:to
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>$wgLegacyEncoding = true;
:Nice !!!! [[User:Cwrulez|Cwrulez]] ([[User talk:Cwrulez|talk]]) 19:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
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== How to give MediaWiki webpages a minimal length correctly? ==

MediaWiki 1.36.1.

I have added a sticky "Call now" bar to my website.

It should appear horizontally, in the bottom of the viewport, in all webpages.

==My problem==
My problem is that in very "short" webpages (for example, in search pages were there are no search results) the sticky call now button doesn't stick to the bottom of the viewport.

==Image examples==

*'''ibb.co/56sdm3k''' (sticking to the bottom)
*'''ibb.co/X7GNQvv''' (doesn't stick to the bottom)

==My question==
How to solve that problem?

I thought about using CSS to give all MediaWiki webpages some minimal-height, maybe. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.139.94|49.230.139.94]] ([[User talk:49.230.139.94|talk]]) 03:22, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:If you're using position:fixed css on the call now button, and none of the parent elements have transform, perspective, or filter css properties set, it shouldn't matter how big the page is. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:15, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks, I should explore that approach. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.140.152|49.230.140.152]] ([[User talk:49.230.140.152|talk]]) 05:46, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}} there is a problem with fixed positioning in that usecase --- you may want to check the following discussion in SitePoint, from today:
:sitepoint.com/community/t/how-to-make-a-position-fixed-bar-not-to-cover-the-footer/377614 [[Special:Contributions/49.230.140.152|49.230.140.152]] ([[User talk:49.230.140.152|talk]]) 15:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

== Creating wikidata ==

Hello is it possible to clone Wikidata with the Dumps files.. I want to create a data wiki like wikidata.. And i am thinking of downloading the dump... Will it work.. or is there another way?? [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 10:54, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:yes, but it can be a bit of an involved process. Checkout also WBStack. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:13, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

== Errorwhile updating to 1.35.4 ==

When updating from '''1.34.4''' to '''1.35.4''' an error is occuring:

''Set the local repo temp zone container to be private.''

''Purging caches...done.''

''LogicException from line 406 of /var/www/websitepath/includes/cache/MessageCache.php: Process cache for 'en' should be set by now.''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/websitepath/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1108): MessageCache->load('en')''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/www/websitepath/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1034): MessageCache->getMsgFromNamespace('Seconds-abbrev/...', 'en')''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/websitepath/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1005): MessageCache->getMessageForLang(Object(LanguageEn), 'seconds-abbrev', true, Array)''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/websitepath/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(947): MessageCache->getMessageFromFallbackChain(Object(LanguageEn), 'seconds-abbrev', true)''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/websitepath/includes/language/Message.php(1304): MessageCache->get('seconds-abbrev', true, Object(LanguageEn))''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/websitepath/includes/language/Message.php(862): Message->fetchMessage()''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/websitepath/includes/language/Message.php(954): Message->toString('text')''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/websitepath/languages/Language.php(4637): Message->text()''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/websitepath/maintenance/update.php(206): Language->formatTimePeriod(0.41333699226379)''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/websitepath/maintenance/doMaintenance.php(107): UpdateMediaWiki->execute()''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/websitepath/maintenance/update.php(253): require_once('/var/www/websitepa...')''

''<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 {main}''

MediaWiki: '''1.35.4'''

PHP: '''7.3.31'''

Mysql:

+-------------------------+-------------------------+

| Variable_name | Value |

+-------------------------+-------------------------+

| innodb_version | '''5.7.36''' |

| protocol_version | 10 |

| slave_type_conversions | |

| tls_version | TLSv1,TLSv1.1,TLSv1.2 |

| version | 5.7.36-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 |

| version_comment | (Ubuntu) |

| version_compile_machine | x86_64 |

| version_compile_os | Linux |

+-------------------------+-------------------------+

I hope someone can help me. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:810D:47C0:2D2D:885:9953:362D:1259|2A02:810D:47C0:2D2D:885:9953:362D:1259]] ([[User talk:2A02:810D:47C0:2D2D:885:9953:362D:1259|talk]]) 16:40, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:Do you have any custom Localization cache of Message cache config set that's not the default? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:12, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:There is a Phabricator task about it [[:phabricator:T258860]] and this message is seen on MediaWiki 1.35, 1.36, 1.37 in various contexts and seems to be caused by timeouts (and memcached down from one reporter). One context is CirrusSearch described on [[:phabricator:T288233|task T288233]] where is solved for 1.37.
:Waiting for a more robust resolution, perhaps the workaround for CirrusSearch [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/CirrusSearch/+/713340/] could work for the update script <code>maintenance/update.php</code> around line 206:
:<syntaxhighlight lang="diff">
$time2 = microtime( true );
+ try {
+ wfMessage( 'ok' )->text();
+ } catch ( \LogicException $e ) {
+ // The first failure should trigger the fallback mode, this second
+ // try should work (and not throw the LogicException deep in the updates).
+ wfMessage( 'ok' )->text();
+ }

$timeDiff = $lang->formatTimePeriod( $time2 - $time1 );
$this->output( "\nDone in $timeDiff.\n" );
</syntaxhighlight> ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 14:18, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

== Instantly move up the translation page ==
{{Archive top|result=Tracked and fixed in [[:phabricator:T295655]].|status=resolved}}

On Special:Translate, where the largest number of messages is used, there is an unpleasant bug. If you reach the lowest messages, the page flips you to the top of the page, and then you don't know where you left off. Can you fix this problem? [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 22:39, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|DDPAT 2.0}} We here cannot; developers could with good instructions to reproduce. Please see [[How to report a bug]] - thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:34, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:Does [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual/uk&offset=&limit=500&action=history this] also apply to that tool? [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 00:40, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:To understand the issue, developers need to know your platform and software:
:*browser: Firefox/Chrome/Edge/Safari… + version
:*type of device: smartphone/computer/tablet…
:*preferably operating system: Windows, MacOS, Android, Linux…
:Could you create [[:en:Screencast|a screencast]] to capture a video of the issue?
:(Personnally, when I open [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Extension%3AScribunto%2FLua+reference+manual&action=page&filter=&language=uk Special:Translate] and go to the end of the page, more translation units are loaded during a few seconds, then appears after and the page remains where it is without moving.) ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 13:36, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:I have a Windows 10 Pro computer. I use Google Chrome with constantly updated versions. I will make the video a little later and drop it here (if I can without the use of video services). [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 13:41, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:I don't know how to share videos here, and I also can't upload to some Wikimedia. [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 17:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Can you upload it on Phabricator [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/file/upload/ with this form]?
:If you never logged in on Phabricator, you can use your Wikimedia account: on Phabricator, click on 'Log in' to top right, click on 'Log In or Register with MediaWiki', you will be redirected to MediaWiki.org website, click on 'Authorize', then you should be able to upload the file with the link above.
:(I hope your file will be accepted there, else I guess it should be accepted [[:commons:Special:UploadWizard|on Commons]].) ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 18:06, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Well, the download was successful. [[phab:F34746286|Here is the link]]. [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 18:14, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:I was able to reproduce it with Firefox 94 on Linux (Debian), so it’s probably reproductible with the video on multiple browsers. I remark it is only on the first tab (“List”) but there is no issue on the other tabs “Page” or “Review”.
:Do you want to open the bug yourself on Phabricator, or I do it? (If you want, it is [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/43/ this form] from “Report a Software Bug” on top right.) ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 18:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, if possible, create a request yourself, because I do not understand its form. [[User:DDPAT 2.0|DDPAT]] ([[User talk:DDPAT Knife Series|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:The task is created: [[:phabricator:T295655]]. You should receive email notifications when there are new comments.
:I identified the issue (see my comment on the task); this behaviour was created to open the first “transation unit” (=message to be translated) on small pages (less than 100 translation units) like [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Template%3AMain+page&action=translate&filter=&language=uk this page]. In my opinion, this behaviour is fine in this case. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 20:12, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:The patch is merged! It will be included in the deployment tomorrow on mediawiki.org, see [[MediaWiki 1.38/wmf.9]]. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 07:41, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Deployed on mediawiki.org! ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 17:03, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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== When to use namespace & repurpose the Project namespace. ==

Hi! I am thinking of using MediaWiki for my company's internal knownledge management system. One of the use cases is to document every project we have done throughout the years. The most straightforward way is probably to create a page in the Main namespace for each project and stick it to a Projects category, but I am also tempted to repurpose the built-in Project namespace to create pages like Project:ProjectCode, since it seems so intuitive to do so. I also want to create pages representing elements in our organization chart, so maybe something like Organization:OrgName.

My question here is two-fold:

#When should I use namespace instead of category to categorize my pages? What differences does it make? I know namespace pages (as in not Main namespace) get difference names and URLs. Also namespaces are often used for authorization purpose, and are more difficult to create (require specific privilege). But is there any other factor I should consider?
#In case of namespace, is there any problem if I repurpose the built-in Project namespace for my own use? As far as I know the Project namespace is supposed to be used for information about the Wiki itself, but otherwise it has no special feature or mechanic compared to the Main namespace, so it should be safe to use, but also somehow feels wrong to me.

Thank you for your time! [[Special:Contributions/27.72.96.31|27.72.96.31]] ([[User talk:27.72.96.31|talk]]) 05:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:For 1) up to you. Namespaces are a bit more heavyweight in that you can select them at search, and recentchanges, etc.you can also customize them easier. Pages can only be in one namespace but can be in many categories. But there is no right or wrong answer here.
:2) you can use project however you want - there's really nothing special about it beyond being builtin. Keep in mind its not [[manual:$wgContentNamespaces|$wgContentNamespaces]] by default (but you can add it) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 22:30, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:If you want to reuse the namespace 'Project', be aware this namespace is parametrised by [[Manual:$wgMetaNamespace|$wgMetaNamespace]], defaulting to the site name; you should probably set this parameter to 'Project' to force the use of the word 'Project'.
:On the French-speaking Wikipedia, there is a use of a namespace 'Projet' a bit similar to yours, used for thematic coordination about the editorial contents of the main namespace (see [[:fr:Projet:Accueil|main page of this namespace]]); in their case, it’s an extra namespace 'Projet', distinct of 1 letter from the built-in namespace 'Project'. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 10:08, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you for your help! [[Special:Contributions/2402:800:61CF:62F6:6429:BEE1:E06A:D019|2402:800:61CF:62F6:6429:BEE1:E06A:D019]] ([[User talk:2402:800:61CF:62F6:6429:BEE1:E06A:D019|talk]]) 12:07, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== Ver. 1.36.2; Search won't work. ==

Every time I attempt to search something, it comes up as "[YY9vrwBz@QnRZ2kdX3h6MQAAACs] 2021-11-13 07:56:31: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError" "

Any help? Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/96.33.180.250|96.33.180.250]] ([[User talk:96.33.180.250|talk]]) 07:58, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:See [[Manual:How to debug]] to get a stacktrace. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:33, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

== What would be a good printed book for MediaWiki theming? ==

I have some basic knowledge in:

*HTML
*JavaScript
*CSS

I need to custom the [[Skin:Timeless|Timeless]] skin a bit.

The main reason I want to custom Timeless is because it lacks support for Adsense, which Vector-Minerva have (but which I don't use).

I think I need to develop a more general and basic understanding of MediaWiki theming in general before I come to make changes in core theme.

I am having a hard time reading the MediaWiki English documentation from a computer screen; I am not a native speaker of English or any other Germanic language, I have an elementary and limited understanding of PHP and I find the "large" (already-compiled?) PHP files of the Timeless skin quite "heavy" to deal with. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.140.152|49.230.140.152]] ([[User talk:49.230.140.152|talk]]) 13:31, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:In terms of books - there is nothing really specific to mediawiki skinning that i am aware of, so generic books on html css and php are probably the best.
:Maybe try printing out the skin files so you can read a hard copy version. I know this isn't the most helpful, but try changing random things and see what happens in order to learn how different parts work. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 22:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:I do HTML and CSS for about 12 years and JavaScript for about 6 years, my problem is only with PHP and the theming standards in MediaWiki.
:I think that the idea to print the Timeless skin files is great, I should try it !
:I will say though that I am not sure what even to print; for example, what are the most basic skin files for any MediaWiki skin?
:Also, must I learn about another MediaWiki topic such as hooks, before I learn about MediaWiki theming? [[Special:Contributions/49.230.140.152|49.230.140.152]] ([[User talk:49.230.140.152|talk]]) 02:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:I have created two different new topics from my questions above:
:[[Topic:Wkdeezuatt6v97t5]]
:[[Topic:Wkdeifqpvxxgrqqy]] [[Special:Contributions/49.230.28.2|49.230.28.2]] ([[User talk:49.230.28.2|talk]]) 09:55, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== InfoBoxes impossible to "install"... ==

:I've tried to install the infobox template forever but it won't work. I have tested another template from another wiki page and that don't work either. Both give the lua errors.
:For example: '''Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:TNT' not found.''' Template:En-WP attribution notice (on the Template:infobox webpage)
:and: '''Lua error in Modul:TNT at line 158: Missing JsonConfig extension; Cannot load https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:I18n/Documentation.tab<nowiki/>.'''
:What is this and how am I suppose to solve this? One additional weird thing is that the other "info-box-type"-template from the other wiki does not "use" as much templates as my import according to the edit tab.
:One thing I've noticed is that my lua version is 5.1.4 when every other wiki's I stumble upon use 5.1.5. I tried to install lua 5.1.5 but it didn't change the number...
:Please help, I'm ripping my hair out... [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 14:14, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
::I think 5.1.4 vs 5.1.5 might be a windows vs linux thing. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 22:15, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
::https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto/+/739050 [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:35, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:Even though Scribunto is updated and having the 5.1.5 engine of lua the Special:Version tab still says it's running lua 5.1.4!? Where does it grab that version??!!! [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 18:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:Please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar. Please describe how you "installed" something from... somewhere? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 19:32, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:Ok, I've read it but I won't post link to it. Ask what you want to see and I shall send you a screenshot of it.
:OS: Windows Server 2012 Datacenter (64-bit)
:MediaWiki = 1.36.2
:PHP = 7.3.32 (cgi-fcgi)
:MySQL = 5.5.45
:ICU = 64.2
:Lua = 5.1.4
:When I install "something" from "somewhere" I go to their Special:Export page and specify a template for example Template:PlayerTemplate and I check the box for "Include templates" and "Save as file". I then upload it with the Special:Import page on my wiki. [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 20:08, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:So first of all, if you want to use the TNT extension,you have to install [[Extension:JsonConfig]] and configure commons as a foreign data namespace. (Unfortunately the docs on doing that are a bit lackluster)
:Are you getting both of these errors still? Because they kind of contradict each other (one is saying module:TNT is missing, the other is saying its there but has an error). [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 22:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:I have installed Extension:JsonConfig. "''Configure commons as a foreign data namespace.''", don't understand that.
:No, I'm not right now it's only the '''Lua error in Modul:TNT at line 158: Missing JsonConfig extension; Cannot load ...''' that's the problem. (On the page for the Template:PlayerTemplate)
:The infobox page has an additional text: "Template:En-WP attribution notice".
:I get this red box when I go to the Module:TNT page. "fX01s0G" on imgur
:The Template:PlayerTemplate also has a error that says: '''Lua error in Module:WikidataIB at line 665: attempt to index field 'wikibase' (a nil value).'''
:The thing I said before that bothers me is that my importation of the template PlayerTemplate uses much more Templates than the one on the origin wiki... [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 22:52, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
:Who is "their" in "their Special:Export page"? Where does "Configure commons as a foreign data namespace." come from / what displays that where? What "origin wiki"? How do you get to the conclusion in your last sentence (links)? Why is https://imgur.com/fX01s0G a 404 error? Why haven't you installed Wikibase if you'd like to use a module depending on it? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 12:27, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
::Oh, wait. That link should've been '''https://imgur.com/a/fX01s0G''' [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 19:01, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Their = The special:Export page on the page mentioned below.
:It comes from the comment above from Bawolff, I didn't understand what he meant.
:Origin wiki: 2b2t.miraheze.org
:This (ibb.co JktP5Bz)is a picture of "used templates" in the template "PlayerTemplate" from 2b2t wiki. And this (ibb.co HGcj6Gt) is from my importation of the template "PlayerTemplate" onto my wiki. '''N.B.''' Mall (Swedish) = Template (English), Modul (Swedish) = Module (English.
:Don't know, maybe because imgur is trash.
:I have installed Wikibase...
:The main problem right now seems to be the "'''Lua error in Module:TNT at line 158: Missing JsonConfig extension; Cannot load [link, cant post because of "linkspam"]."''' error that I seem to have on multiple templates. [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 18:58, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Sorry for the spam. I fixed the Wikibase problem, it wasn't fully initialized. I still have the "Missing JsonConfig extension" problem though. [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 19:25, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Follow example at: [[Extension:JsonConfig#Supporting_Wikimedia_templates]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}}
:I pasted those line of codes into LocalSettings.php and now I get this error: "'''Lua error in Modul:TNT at line 166: Missing Commons dataset I18n/Module:TNT.tab.'''". Now when I try to go onto pages I get error '''500 - Internal server error.''' Often I can just reload the page and it works but when I try to import xml files through the "Special:Import"-page I get the 500 error and can't go past it... [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 15:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:[[How to debug]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:(I can't "sub"-reply so that's why I'm tagging you instead.)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}}
:It's an error from IIS, I don't think I can solve that with editing debugging settings in the mediawiki folder...
:Nevertheless, I've already applied the lines of code from the PHP errors part of the "How to debug"-page. [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 23:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:webserver 500s are commonly (but not exclusively) caused by php errors. IIS should also have some sort of logfile somewhere. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}}
:Yeah, yeah. I've looked in the logs but those doesn't say much more. They just say "500 0 0 5314" or "500 0 0 2991" in the end of the line of the error. I just say that the site seems to be more unstable when I apply the changes to the LocalSettings.php you told about.
:Whatever, that's not the main problem... I still can't understand the "'''Lua error in Module:TNT at line 166'''[...]".
:And I think there is something wrong with the navbar/styles.css that I suppose would be handling the infoboxes position on the page. The "PlayerTemplate" is the only infobox working and it's on the left side of the page...
:Why is it this difficult to just install a simple infobox? [[Special:Contributions/193.11.104.21|193.11.104.21]] ([[User talk:193.11.104.21|talk]]) 01:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

== Le code LaTeX ne passe plus dans les titres des tables des matières des pages de mes travaux de recherche et des pages de discussion associées ==

Bonjour,

Cf. titre.

Dans les titres des corps de mes pages de mes travaux de recherche et des pages de discussion associées, le code LaTeX s'affiche correctement, par contre ce n'est plus le cas concernant ceux des tables des matières qui en découlent.

Certaines tables des matières contenant du code LaTeX avaient déjà dégénéré et la table des matières de la page de discussion d'une des pages d'un de mes travaux de recherche a dégénérée suite à une compilation.

Est-ce provisoire et transitoire ?

Pouvez-vous résorber le problème ?

Dorénavant, devra-t-on toujours fournir des titres sans code LaTeX, afin que les tables des matières soient lisibles ?

Dans mon cas, ça va être très difficile, sauf à créer des titres à rallonge ou des titres relativement courts mais très imprécis. [[Special:Contributions/77.140.106.198|77.140.106.198]] ([[User talk:77.140.106.198|talk]]) 23:22, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/77.140.106.198|77.140.106.198]] ([[User talk:77.140.106.198|talk]]) 23:24, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
:Please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== Hide authors on pages ==

Is there a way to hide authors of pages be default? [[User:Lumengl|Lumengl]] ([[User talk:Lumengl|talk]]) 06:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:First of all, where exactly do you see authors? Please read "Post a new question" in the sidebar. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:He'll mean the standard "This page was last modified at ... by ..." message in the footer.
:Here's an extract from [[Manual:Footer]]:
:;<code>lastmod</code>
::edit [[MediaWiki:Lastmodifiedat]]. If [[Special:MyLanguage/Manual:$wgMaxCredits|$wgMaxCredits]] is enabled then edit [[MediaWiki:Lastmodifiedatby]]. You may also want to edit [[MediaWiki:othercontribs]] that shows other contributors. ([[bugzilla:6518|6518]]) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:53, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Based on your last message, I guess you found how to remove the authors (by setting <code>$wgMaxCredits = 0;</code>), but if you want to remove the whole sentence you can either hide it with CSS (add <code>#footer-info-credits { display: none; }</code> in your MediaWiki:Common.css) or blank the message MediaWiki:Lastmodifiedat. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 12:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

== Visually Appealing Story Pages ==

Hi! This might be a big css ask, but for story text on my wiki, https://grandorder.wiki/Category:Story , I was wondering if there was any way I can have the individual pages like https://grandorder.wiki/Cosmos_in_the_Lostbelt_0:_Prologue/Story be centered on the page while keeping the text left-aligned, along with a black gradient on both sides to cover the empty space that would result from centering the page. A way to change the background color of the middle portion where the content would go would also be great. [[User:BlameLib|BlameLib]] ([[User talk:BlameLib|talk]]) 06:33, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Something like this test image: https://postimg.cc/xJMfkFfF?
:This should be achievable simply by the following code:<syntaxhighlight lang="html">
<div style="background-color: bisque;">
<div style="margin: auto; width: 75%; background-color: burlywood; padding: 10px;">
/* PAGE CONTENT */
</div>
</div>
</syntaxhighlight>To do the same with all pages in a category, you'll have to make use of [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|<bdi>Ciencia Al Poder</bdi>]]'s [[Snippets/Style pages based on categories|snippet]]. Copy the code from there into your [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] page.
:After that, in your [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] page, include something similar to the following:<syntaxhighlight lang="css">
body.cat-Story #bodyContent { background-color: bisque; }
body.cat-Story #mw-content-text {
margin: auto;
width: 75%;
background-color: burlywood;
padding: 10px;
}
</syntaxhighlight> [[User:AhmadF.Cheema|AhmadF.Cheema]] ([[User talk:AhmadF.Cheema|talk]]) 11:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks, this is perfect! [[User:BlameLib|BlameLib]] ([[User talk:BlameLib|talk]]) 14:26, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== Can we upload page[.txt file] in the mediawiki based on the location of the page [.txt file] ==

In our case we have the below situation.

*We want to upload the page based on the below condition.
*If the page [.txt file] does not exists in the Location1, then upload the page [.txt file] from the Location2.

In our case, we are upload the page using below functionality.

<nowiki>{{snippet:repository=|fielname=Navigation\Home\Product_Documentation.txt|branch={{#urlget:version}}}}</nowiki>

In the above scenario, if the txt file does not exist in location, then take from another location.

We want the conditional upload of the file in the page creation. [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 06:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:What "functionality" is that line above, and how does that work? You need to provide way more background. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe this: [[Extension:Git2Pages]]. If the extension doesn't let you do what you need, then I guess you'd need to use a modified version or something different. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 23:07, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe you want [[Extension:ParserFunctions]] to make a conditional template? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:10, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:It is [[Extension:Git2Pages]]. We are using this. Please do let me know, can we do a conditional file upload in that. [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 05:53, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:If snippet returns nothing when there's nothing at the file location then you could try something like:
:<syntaxhighlight>
{{#if: {{snippet:...filename=...Location1...}} | {{snippet:...filename=...Location1...}} | {{snippet:...filename=...Location2...}} }}
</syntaxhighlight>
:Or if it says something like "File not found" then:
:<syntaxhighlight>
{{#ifeq: {{snippet:...filename=...Location1...}} | File not found | {{snippet:...filename=...Location2...}} | {{snippet:...filename=...Location1...}} }}
</syntaxhighlight>
:This is pure guesswork. I can see why it probably won't work, but it might be worth trying. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 10:02, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

== How can I add Dropdown menu with dynamic values in the mediawiki page ==

How can I add Dropdown menu with dynamic values in the mediawiki page ?

In which Js file/php file I can define the logic [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 06:50, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Editing random JS or PHP files is not how it works; in general. You could look into extensions however, like [[Extension:Semantic Forms Select]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== What are the most basic skin files for any MediaWiki skin? ==

I ask this assuming that there are theming files which all skins make use of. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.28.2|49.230.28.2]] ([[User talk:49.230.28.2|talk]]) 09:53, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:I don't think anyone will list file names here. See [[Manual:Skins]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 14:46, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Aren't there just up to, say, 5 files which all skins share?... [[Special:Contributions/49.230.28.2|49.230.28.2]] ([[User talk:49.230.28.2|talk]]) 00:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:if all skins had the exact same file, we wouldn't bother including it in the Skin. However the core of the skin is usually a file named includes/Skin<Skinname>.php and includes/<Skinname>Template.php - e.g. in Timeless https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Timeless/blob/master/includes/SkinTimeless.php and https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Timeless/blob/master/includes/TimelessTemplate.php
:Perhaps what you are looking for is some of the MediaWiki core skin library files in https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/tree/master/includes/skins (Particularly Skin.php and SkinTemplate.php) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

== What should I learn about first, hooks or skin architecture? ==

I want to learn how to custom my website's skin thoroughly.

What should I learn about first, hooks (the general MediaWiki hooks system) or the skin's architecture? [[Special:Contributions/49.230.28.2|49.230.28.2]] ([[User talk:49.230.28.2|talk]]) 09:54, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:It depends what you prefer :) and what type of customisations you want on your website.
:For the skin, you can read [[Manual:Skinning Part 1]] even if it is now a bit outdated.
:For the [[Manual:Hooks|hooks]], their goal is to provide specific features quite independent of the design provided by the skin (*), so if you have an idea of a non-existent feature (there are already [[:Special:MyLanguage/Category:Extensions|plenty of extensions providing features]]), you can see how similar extensions implemented the idea and adapt it, and/or you can walk in the list of hooks to see what hooks fit best for your idea. (But I’m not aware of a dedicated tutorial about this.)
:(*) Although skins can use hooks, but it’s a minor use. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 12:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

== Sidebar ==

Hi! Is there a way to have all my categories on the sidebar?

I'm not a programmer and don't speak code, so please, if anyone has an answer in simple English. [[User:Misshiller|MsHiller]] ([[User talk:Misshiller|talk]]) 20:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, I think this is possible using [[Extension:CategoryTree]] or [[Extension:TreeAndMenu]]. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:46, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
:Yes there is.
:You have to create an infobox template page. Then you put everything in the template page you want to have in your sidebar.
:<nowiki>Then on any page you have you do this bracket { to open the Infobox but you use two of them and type the word Infobox after it.
1. { double Infobox
{{Infobox
2. This mark.... </nowiki>
:Tell ya what. Hit me up on messenger I'll give you the script. [[User:Karlpajak|Karlpajak]] ([[User talk:Karlpajak|talk]]) 23:21, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:Sounds helpful. So the script is? [[User:Misshiller|MsHiller]] ([[User talk:Misshiller|talk]]) 15:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Is there any way to customize login page for users? ==

Hello!

I really want to change how the login screen looks like for users. Today it looks like a normal Wikipage with the login window in it, but I want to change it so that the login window is the only thing visible. I want it to have the same simplicity as for example the wordpress login screen. Does anyone know how I can edit the login page?

Down below is an example from wordpress.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wordpress+login+page+for+users&rlz=1C1VDKB_svSE929SE929&sxsrf=AOaemvIACaVSf7s7lnqvs5fuN1IOhqsJiw:1637074424565&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiju6-8kZ30AhWMzYsKHSd0BTAQ_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1#imgrc=lsSkM0lGnA7mvM [[User:SebastianMortensen|SebastianMortensen]] ([[User talk:SebastianMortensen|talk]]) 14:58, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:You could probably do something custom with a skin.
:if you enable [[manual:$wgAllowSiteCSSOnRestrictedPages]] you can adjust with MediaWiki:common.css. see [[manual:CSS]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 15:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

== edit problem ==

I added a photo to our page and it replaced the entire 44 car photo gallery. How do I undo or re-do this? [[User:MorinReiff|MorinReiff]] ([[User talk:MorinReiff|talk]]) 16:04, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:never mind, found the fix myself. thanks anyway [[User:MorinReiff|MorinReiff]] ([[User talk:MorinReiff|talk]]) 16:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

== Mediawiki SSO: Table ‘simplesamlphp_kvatore’ already existed ==

Mediawiki 1.32.2
Php: 7.3.28 apache2handler
Mariadb:10.2.33
Simplesamlphp extension: 1.35 (github)
Pluggableauth extension: 1.35(github)
Simplesamlphp software:1.19.3

I’n trying to implement SSO in Azure AD for on prem

[acb3c984ef5311d0f7784f6f] /index.php/Special:PluggableAuthLogin PDOException from line 175 of E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\Store\SQL.php: SQLSTATE[42S01]: Base table or view already exists: 1050 Table 'SimpleSAMLphp_kvstore' already exists Backtrace:

0 E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\Store\SQL.php(175): PDO->exec(string)
1 E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\Store\SQL.php(78): SimpleSAML\Store\SQL->initKVTable()
2 E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\Store.php(52): SimpleSAML\Store\SQL->__construct()
3 E:\Apache24\htdocs\simplesamlphplib\lib\SimpleSAML\SessionHandler.php(138): SimpleSAML\Store::getInstance()
… .”

Anyone familiar with this error?
My user id has just received CREATE Command permmission to create the table and once the access has been granted it shows that the table has already existed. Do you think i should drop the table and re-run again? I will need to get approval before do any changes on our database. Is there anything i need to be cautious when setting this up.

Let me know if its a different case.

Thanks [[User:Frizzow|Frizzow]] ([[User talk:Frizzow|talk]]) 03:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:The MediaWiki extension SimpleSAMLphp does not maintain itself a database, and according to the paths it it the library SimpleSAMLphp which triggers this error, so you should search [https://simplesamlphp.org in their documentation].
:Make working the library is 80% of the work (they have a test to verify it is working independently of MediaWiki), then, when it works, the MediaWiki extension can be connected through the library. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 08:16, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

== Disable default image linking ==

Hi there, i need disable link on images when i write something like <nowiki><nowiki>[[file:imgname.png|200px]]</nowiki></nowiki>. I need it to work as <nowiki><nowiki>[[file:imgname.png|200px|link=]]</nowiki></nowiki> but i have more than 1000 images on my wiki, and adding 'link=' for all of it is terrible way.

I want to set images links only manual. for example if i set link='somesite' it must be linked. if link parameter not setted, it must be similar to "link="

Help me please

P.s. search give no answer. [[User:Graf.yura|Graf.yura]] ([[User talk:Graf.yura|talk]]) 07:17, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:If you have some php experience [[manual:hooks/ImageBeforeProduceHTML]] should allow you to dynamically override the link parameter (ie the link-url, link-title and/or no-link of $frameParams argument) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

== Issue with LocalisationCache giving back blank responses ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

I'm getting an error running 1.19 where the LocalisationCache appears to be giving me back a blank when calling getItem, and I can't work out where it's supposed to be getting the data from. Language.php is throwing an error because the call to getItem to get the 'namespaceNames' is coming back with a blank string, I think, and it's crashing on the line where it tries to combine it with wgExtraNamespaces.

I thought it was getting it from the l10n_cache table in my database, but I deleted the namespaceNames entry from it, and it didn't restore it, so I am stumped in an almighty way.

I experimented with removing the reference to $this->namespaceNames from the line in Language.php, however that generated a ton more errors such as "" is not a valid magic word for "forcetoc" so I think there is a cache file or something somwhere that has gotten stuck with a bunch of blank entries, but I can't work out from the Mediawiki code where that is. [[User:Abates|Abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 07:38, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Update: I have managed to resolve this by running rebuildLocalisationCache.php --force to rebuilt the cache. [[User:Abates|Abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 09:20, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Find all pages with links that lead to a non existing page. ==

Hello everyone!

Is there a way to find all pages, which has links in it, that are leading to a page which not has been created?

You know ... the links which are appearing in red color (by default) and when you click them, you´ll get lead to the creation of that page.

I have a few "placeholder" links in my wiki, but struggling to find all of them, so a function for that would be awesome.

Kind regards [[User:Hattabatatta|Hattabatatta]] ([[User talk:Hattabatatta|talk]]) 08:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Perhaps not exactly what you requested, but you might be interested by the special page [[Special:WantedPages]], which lists non-existent pages ranked by number of links toward them. ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 08:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Not exactly what I requested, but SO helpful anyway.
:Many many thanks! [[User:Hattabatatta|Hattabatatta]] ([[User talk:Hattabatatta|talk]]) 11:07, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:The api can also do more complex queries that can be helpful.
:If you know the target of the placeholder like try [[special:whatlinkshere]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:22, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

== How to show latest version selected for mediawiki, if someone hits the URL for the MediaWiki page ==

In our case, we have one dropdown list, which contains the product versions as below :

V1

V2

V3

V4

Now,we wnat when some one hits the URL for Product [F.e http://localhost/ovsmu/index.php/Product_Documentation_Beta], then lastest version which is V4 should be auto select on the URL hit.

how can we achieve such scenario ? [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 08:46, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

== "The token parameter must be set" when attempting to upload to commons ==
{{Archive top|result=As [[User:BDavis (WMF)|<bdi>BDavis</bdi>]] pointed out, an extra comma caused the the token parameter to be ignored.|status=resolved}}

Hi all

I am integrated Mediawiki OAuth2 into a Node application. Everything is working fine (login, data retrieval) except uploading a file to commons. When I attempt to upload I get this error:

<code>The "token" parameter must be set.</code>

The token parameter is set and I have checked the CSRF token (using [[API:Checktoken|checktoken]] API) and it is valid.

I am using axios 0.21.4 and this is my code:

const filePath = path.join(__dirname, publicVideoPath);
const file = fs.createReadStream(filePath);

const uploadParams = new FormData();
uploadParams.append('file', file, { knownLength: fs.statSync(filePath).size });
uploadParams.append('filename', title);
uploadParams.append('text', text.join('\r\n'));
uploadParams.append('token,', csrfToken);
uploadParams.append('author', author);
uploadParams.append('comment', comment);
uploadParams.append('client_id', CLIENT_ID);
uploadParams.append('client_secret', CLIENT_SECRET);
axios({
headers: {
'Content-Length': uploadParams.getLengthSync(),
Authorization: `Bearer ${accessToken}`,
...uploadParams.getHeaders(),
},
method: 'post',
url: 'https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=upload&format=json',
data: uploadParams,
})
.then(res => {
console.log(res);
})
.catch(err => {
console.log(err);
});

I prefer not use any extra libraries as I want to keep the code as lightweight as possibly and I am already using axios in other parts of the application. [[User:Khr2003|Khr2003]] ([[User talk:Khr2003|talk]]) 10:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:One possible problem, you typoed the name as <code>token,</code>. [[User:BDavis (WMF)|BDavis (WMF)]] ([[User talk:BDavis (WMF)|talk]]) 16:53, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|BDavis (WMF)}}
:Thanks a lot for this. I am both embarrassed and relieved to say that this what caused the issue. [[User:Khr2003|Khr2003]] ([[User talk:Khr2003|talk]]) 02:22, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Restrict Left Images to paragraph ==
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Hi. How can I restrict an image tagged with |left, to just the paragraph it sits in?

For example, on my page, the image moves everything, including the next title, to it's right. I want the "Terminator Skins" section to start under the image. For reference, this page can be found at https://alienshooter.org/Terminator [[Special:Contributions/62.31.154.248|62.31.154.248]] ([[User talk:62.31.154.248|talk]]) 13:19, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:try adding <nowiki> </nowiki> after the image before tge start of text. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:13, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Perfect, thank you! :) [[Special:Contributions/62.31.154.248|62.31.154.248]] ([[User talk:62.31.154.248|talk]]) 08:48, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
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== The content model 'Scribunto' is not registered on this wiki. ==

I followed the instructions on the wiki, i installed scribunto in the extension folder, and wrote:

wfLoadExtension( 'Scribunto' );
$wgScribuntoDefaultEngine = 'luastandalone';

at the end like it says in the guide on mediawiki, but when i try to import something it tells me:

The content model 'Scribunto' is not registered on this wiki. See <nowiki>https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_handlers</nowiki> to find out which extensions handle this content model.

how do i register scribunto on the wiki? Thankyou [[Special:Contributions/87.21.186.185|87.21.186.185]] ([[User talk:87.21.186.185|talk]]) 13:23, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Does Special:Version list scribunto as installed? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

== Upgraded Mediawiki, all appears intact except it throws an error when trying to log in as admin. ==

I recently upgraded my Mediawiki from 1.27.x to the latest stable <code>1.36.2</code> using the .zip archive of the installation. Database schema appeared to have updated successfully while going through the web-updater. After uploading the /images directory to restore all missing content, the wiki appears to be all intact. However quickly I found that I was prevented from logging into the admin account initially by a 520 (unknown) error, then after some localSettings.php adjustments, a 'this action has been cancelled as a precaution against session hijacking' error, this was possible by adding <code>$wgSessionCacheType</code> set to <code>CACHE_DB</code>. I have not been able to get further than this.

I'm fairly certain my password is correct, because when I enter it wrong the wiki states as such (wrong username/password), it's when I use the correct password it doesn't know what to do and blocks it. I tried running through the [Manual:How to debug/Login problems] page, but I feel I've exhausted all the common checks, apart from maybe the PHP handling, but I'm not sure how to change those on my server.

The wiki is HTTPS-only and currently secured according to my web-browser. I was able to stay logged in prior to the upgrade, even with HTTPS enabled. Account creation and editing had been disabled to prevent spam accounts from ruining the wiki (the reason for the upgrade was to be able to install extensions to round up and destroy said spam accounts).

If anybody can help tell me how to fix the session/log-in issue, I would appreciate it!

Wiki's <code>Special:Version</code> stats:

Mediawiki: 1.36.2

PHP: 7.4.15 (cgi-fcgi)

MySQL: 8.0.26-0ubuntu0.20.04.2

Database type: INNODB (Not absolutely sure, only discerned from the information_schema table next to my Mediawiki database) [[Special:Contributions/88.104.227.132|88.104.227.132]] ([[User talk:88.104.227.132|talk]]) 14:53, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Can you try deleting all your cookies to see if tgat has an affect? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Deleted the cookies from my browser and even force-refreshed the page and still no change.
:Response: 'There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been cancelled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please resubmit the form.' [[Special:Contributions/88.104.227.132|88.104.227.132]] ([[User talk:88.104.227.132|talk]]) 20:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Generally speaking this type of error is caused by cookies being mismatched. Usually either deleting cookies (to fix client side) or setting session cache to CACHE_DB (for server side) fixes it.
:If not that its a bit unclear. You can try using different computer web browser to see if that helps.try disabling any auth related mw extensions. Try enabling mw debug log to see if that says anything interesting. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Oho! I'm successful, managed to finally log into the wiki!
:The solution was to change <code>$wgSessionCacheType</code>to CACHE_DB as you stated. Although annoyingly, the initial change led to a 520 error at first, it was only the second time round that it just worked. While logged in, I can also claim that the session has been persistent so far, and I can do edits to pages and preferences too!
:Thank you for your help Bawolff! [[Special:Contributions/88.104.227.132|88.104.227.132]] ([[User talk:88.104.227.132|talk]]) 16:49, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Often this implies that there is a cache misconfiguration (e.g. the main cache type forgets things too fast) it can potentially also cause slownewss. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:06, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== "No interwiki prefix" error message when Importing template (despite prefix was given) ==

Hello, I am using MediaWiki v1.36. I tried to import the templates

[[:de:Vorlage_Diskussion:Literatur|de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Literatur]]

and

[[:de:Vorlage:Internetquelle|de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Internetquelle]]

via XML, but when i try to import them, i get a "No Interwiki prefix" error message. Since I am providing the correct prefix, I suspect the error message is caused by a different issue.

The Scribunto Extension is installed and loaded via the LocalSettings.php on my MediaWiki.

I hope someone can help. [[User:Mirghon|Mirghon]] ([[User talk:Mirghon|talk]]) 15:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:Are you importing via file or interwiiki transfer? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:i exported the wikipedia templates via XML and tried to reimport those [[User:Mirghon|Mirghon]] ([[User talk:Mirghon|talk]]) 07:52, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:it might be that your accidentally triggering the import by interwiki feature instead of import by file. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 08:11, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:how do I switch between the 2 if i have the user authority to use both? [[User:Mirghon|Mirghon]] ([[User talk:Mirghon|talk]]) 09:28, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Error 1146 in SQL Database when using Math-Extension ==

Hey guys!

I recently installed my first Wiki and need to use mathematical formulas.

So I installed the Math-Extension to get that functionality. I followd the instructions and used the Web-Updater due to lack of access to the server by myself (hostet at www.strato.de).

I just want to display some simple formulas, no complicated stuff. But when I edit a page and insert a formula, I get the error message "Error HTTP 500" in the visual editor during the saving-process. In the code editor with activated debug-commandline "$wgShowExceptionDetails = true;" there is some further explanation:

Error 1146: missing Table "<db-name>.<prefix>mathoid"

Can anybody tell me how to fix that or how to set up the Math-Extension properly? As I said I'm new to the mediawiki-game and don't get the issue... [[User:TKaeter|TKaeter]] ([[User talk:TKaeter|talk]]) 21:32, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:try running [[manual:update.php|update.php]] CLI script. It can usually fix missing tables. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:46, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks for that hint. Can you describe how to do that exactly? I can't find any information about a CLI-script... [[User:TKaeter|TKaeter]] ([[User talk:TKaeter|talk]]) 08:16, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:There are instructions at [[Upgrading#Run_the_update_script]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 08:44, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:I cannot run the skript using PuTTY. This is, what I got:
:<code>domain> cd maintenance</code>
:<code>domain> php update.php</code>
:<code>X-Powered-By: PHP/7.3.31</code>
:<code>Content-Type: text/html</code>
:<code>This script has to be run from the command line</code>
:I'm really frustrated -.- [[User:TKaeter|TKaeter]] ([[User talk:TKaeter|talk]]) 16:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Your php binary is probably named someone else. Try doing
:php-cli update.php
:Otherwise you need to ask your host or use the web updater instead. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:04, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:I tried the web updater. Unfortunately no success -.-
:I'll ask my hoster, if there are any restrictions in running php-scripts. I have no other clue than that.
:Thanks for your efforts! [[User:TKaeter|TKaeter]] ([[User talk:TKaeter|talk]]) 22:16, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe even at the command line you're running the web version (or whatever it's called) of php instead of the command line version. I think "php --version" would tell you (look for "cli"). If so, then you could just find the right cli version on your server and type "/path/to/php update.php". [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 08:22, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:> Maybe even at the command line you're running the web version (or whatever it's called)
:Just fyi its called the cgi version. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 08:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

== Arabic numerals on Sindhi Wikipedia ==

:Hi, I want to draw your attention towards a problem on Sindhi Wikipedia that Arabic numbers are showing on whole wiki, each page, each section is in arabic digits its hard to understand and digits are too small to comprehension, Persho-Arabic_Sindhi numbers are not widely used nowadays and its very hard to comprehended. on the behalf of Sindhi Wikipedia community and as an admin I request to change the arabic numbers with either perso-Sindhi numbers or to English digits. suppose [https://www.saitak.com/number ١٤٬٧٨٦] is arabic number (١٤٬٧٨٦ shows the current articles of sdwiki on special page). [[:sd:وڪيپيڊيا:ديوان_عام/تجويزون#%D8%B3%D9%86%DA%8C%D9%8A_%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7_%D8%AA%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%84%D8%B4_%DB%BE_%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%8E_%D9%84%DA%B3%D8%A7%D8%A6%DA%BB_%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1%D9%90_%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1%D9%90_For_English_numbering_on_Sindhi_Wiki|HERE IS THE CONSENSUS PAGE and VOTES FOr THIS CHANGE REQEUEST]]
:Reference: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes#Request_for_English_numbering_on_Sindhi_Wikipedia
:https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268203 [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 23:02, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
::{{FlowMention|JogiAsad}} You already received an answer months ago in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes#Request_for_English_numbering_on_Sindhi_Wikipedia. Why was this reposted? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:Phabricator is the place to request this type of change. We at the support desk can't do anything about this. (Sorry. It sounds like there has been much back and forth on this topic which i imagine has been frustrating.)
:Also just a note - the term "arabic numerals" in english more commonly refers to 1234567890 then the arabic letter style numerals, so it can be a bit of a confusing term in english. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:30, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:I've attempted to give this a little prod on phabricator, to hopefully move things forward.
:We (along with many other software projects) get translation data [https://github.com/unicode-org/cldr/blob/main/common/main/sd.xml#L4810] from the CLDR project, so you could also try filing a bug with the CLDR project to change what they have marked as the correct way to write numerals in Sindhi - https://cldr.unicode.org/index/bug-reports [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 04:56, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:CLDR project request seems complicated at the moment I'll try again to understand its process to request changes. However this problem of arabic-sindhi numberals on sdwiki is still problematic. screenshot https://ibb.co/mNyQ0c1 [[User:JogiAsad|JogiAsad]] ([[User talk:JogiAsad|talk]]) 17:51, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Donation Popup ==

:Is there a way to disable it (durably) for (active) Donors/... ? [[Special:Contributions/37.201.146.0|37.201.146.0]] ([[User talk:37.201.146.0|talk]]) 18:07, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
::Welcome to the support desk for the MediaWiki software. For future reference, some context is welcome.
::In case this is about a Wikipedia site, logging in or closing it once should be sufficient? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 22:22, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:For wikimedia sites, you can disable fundraising notices if you are logged in. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 01:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

== change URL ==

Hello {{FlowMention|Osnard}} , Much appreciate if you could help me with changing the url of my mediawiki.

Current url is <nowiki>http://xxxx.index.php/Home</nowiki> >> <nowiki>http://xxxx/wiki/index.php/Home</nowiki> , I want to add wiki in between.

using httpd.conf and LocalSettings.php

I am ready to change the document root if needed. [[User:Prabhu7778|Prabhu7778]] ([[User talk:Prabhu7778|talk]]) 06:38, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:The best resource would probably be [[Manual:Short_URL]] [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 07:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

== LatestSkinVersionRequirement missing since update to 1.37.0 ==

Hi

We updated our Mediawiki from 1.36.x to 1.37.0 but now we have the following error:

Original exception: [YZdcJa7JexYY9qajUDKq2wAAAAk] /index.php?title=Hauptseite Error: '''Class 'Vector\FeatureManagement\Requirements\LatestSkinVersionRequirement' not found'''

How we can fix this?

Thanks very much.

Best regards

Mike [[User:Ycinformatik|Ycinformatik]] ([[User talk:Ycinformatik|talk]]) 09:38, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:Please provide a stacktrace: [[Manual:How_to_debug]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 10:54, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:'''This is the trace, when I activate debugging:'''
:Original exception: [YZeDxUS0lqKYW3f0LRik4AAAAAU] /index.php?title=Hauptseite Error: Class 'Vector\FeatureManagement\Requirements\LatestSkinVersionRequirement' not found
:Backtrace:
:from /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/ServiceWiring.php(54)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(447): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer::{closure}(MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(416): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->createService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(279): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->getService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/SkinVector.php(72): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices->getService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/SkinVector.php(90): SkinVector->isLegacy()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory/ObjectFactory.php(244): SkinVector->__construct(array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory/ObjectFactory.php(150): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory::getObjectFromSpec(array, array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/skins/SkinFactory.php(125): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory->createObject(array, array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/context/RequestContext.php(456): SkinFactory->makeSkin(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/context/ContextSource.php(163): RequestContext->getSkin()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/OutputPage.php(2632): ContextSource->getSkin()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/MediaWiki.php(939): OutputPage->output(boolean)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/MediaWiki.php(952): MediaWiki::{closure}()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/MediaWiki.php(559): MediaWiki->main()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>14 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>15 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>16 {main}
:Exception caught inside exception handler: [YZeDxUS0lqKYW3f0LRik4AAAAAU] /index.php?title=Hauptseite Error: Class 'Vector\FeatureManagement\Requirements\LatestSkinVersionRequirement' not found
:Backtrace:
:from /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/ServiceWiring.php(54)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(447): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer::{closure}(MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php(416): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->createService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(279): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->getService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/SkinVector.php(72): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices->getService(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/skins/Vector/includes/SkinVector.php(90): SkinVector->isLegacy()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory/ObjectFactory.php(244): SkinVector->__construct(array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory/ObjectFactory.php(150): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory::getObjectFromSpec(array, array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/skins/SkinFactory.php(125): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory->createObject(array, array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/context/RequestContext.php(456): SkinFactory->makeSkin(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/context/ContextSource.php(163): RequestContext->getSkin()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/OutputPage.php(2632): ContextSource->getSkin()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/exception/MWExceptionRenderer.php(158): OutputPage->output()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/exception/MWExceptionRenderer.php(77): MWExceptionRenderer::reportHTML(Error)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/exception/MWExceptionHandler.php(107): MW
:'''When I activate PHP error reporting, I have this information additionally, but this is only a notice, so no problem:'''
:Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/objectcache/SqlBagOStuff.php on line 1090 Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/objectcache/SqlBagOStuff.php on line 1090 Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/objectcache/SqlBagOStuff.php on line 1090 Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/vhosts/yourchoice.ch/wiki.yourchoice.ch/includes/objectcache/SqlBagOStuff.php on line 1090 MediaWiki internal error. [[User:Ycinformatik|Ycinformatik]] ([[User talk:Ycinformatik|talk]]) 11:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:Is the version of vector the right ine for your version of mddiawiki? You need to upgrade skins when you upgrade rest of mediawiki. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:09, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

== MediaWiki Images Not Displaying When Switching to SSL ==

*MediaWiki 1.36
*Apache
*PHP 7.3

I recently turned on SSL for a site running MediaWiki. When I did that, the thumbnail and file: page images are no longer displaying. Switching back to Non-SSL corrects the issue. The LocalSettings.php file has been changed to reflect the protocol-agnostic // URL in the $wgServer variable. All HTTP:// references in the database (via SRDB) have been modified to be HTTPS://

For example and to duplicate the issue:

*https://www.spydiewiki.com/index.php?title=C07_Polices
*Scroll to the bottom to see broken thumbnails.
*If you click into the image, you see the content, but the image doesn't display here either
*If you click the link for the image on this page, you get a really funky URL with the absolute path (definitely not what I want) in the URL and the site URL tacked on at the end.

I have tried repairing images, re-importing all the images, clearing cache, purging a page, and adding a new image to a page. With no success.

Has anyone seen this before or have any ideas about what might be causing it? It's gotta be pathing but, man, I can't seem to crack it. [[User:OutsideEdge94|OutsideEdge94]] ([[User talk:OutsideEdge94|talk]]) 16:51, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:What is $wgUploadPath set to? What are other file related config directives set to? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 17:07, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:It seems the Apache/Plesk rewriting rules have some issues: on [https://www.spydiewiki.com/index.php?title=File:701MF_L.jpg this file], when I click on the image, http://www.spydiewiki.com/images/b/b2/701MF_L.jpg is redirected to https://www.spydiewiki.com/var/www/vhosts/spydiewiki.com/httpdocs/images/Spydiewiki.com ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|[^_^]]] 17:47, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:The problem is your [[Manual:$wgUploadPath|$wgUploadPath]] variable seems misconfigured. It should be an URL or URL path, not filesystem path. Don't confuse it with [[Manual:$wgUploadDirectory|$wgUploadDirectory]]! [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 17:22, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

== Can I add wiki markup (image) to a page with JavaScript/jQuery? ==

... [[Special:Contributions/180.190.110.1|180.190.110.1]] ([[User talk:180.190.110.1|talk]]) 16:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
:you can edit (see [[Api:edit]]) a page with jquery, and have the edit how up on next view.
:You can also use [[Api:Parse]] to turn some wikitext into html and add the resulting html. Generally though most people would add the html directly to avoid the time spent on a network connection. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 21:58, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

== 'behind the scenes' data pages—good/bad idea? ==

I'm wondering if someone could lend some advice on best practices for wiki organization for what I'm trying to do. I've poked around a lot but can't seem to find information that informs my situation. I'm basically trying to use the data transfer extension to batch upload template calls to hundreds of articles to create connections between pages on my wiki. The data transfer extension is exactly what I need but for the same reason it is scary in a sense because a single browser click uploads a csv which overwrites hundreds or more of pages all at once. There is an option during this upload to only 'replace fields' so that only fields are uploaded but content entered manually is not overwritten. This still seems dangerous as a wrong mouse click could do a lot of damage. I'm wondering if the best option to have my cake and eat it too is to have, for each page, a background data page—i.e. for page X that describes a given topic with normal manually entered text, there is a 'background' data page that I upload the template calls to and then in turn that data is routed to the real page. I'm wondering if there is any precedent to this elsewhere?—or whether this is overly clunky and bloated? Or whether there's a better way forward? [[User:Flyingratchet|Flyingratchet]] ([[User talk:Flyingratchet|talk]]) 03:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

== Ending letters in Hebrew ==

In Hebrew there are several words to describe a MediaWiki article, for example:

*מאמר (Ma'mar)
*ערך (Erech)

In case I decide to bulk-change one to another, I have created a template <code><nowiki>{{קת}}</nowiki></code> which includes the chosen word.

==Finalization variation==
In modern Hebrew there is a "finalization variation" for some letters and this can cause a template output problem.

For example, if the letter <code>'''כ'''</code> is final in a word, it becomes <code>'''ך'''</code>''',''' for example:

*'''Singular''': ער'''ך'''

*'''Plural''': ער'''כ'''ים
If I call my template this way:<pre dir="rtl">
{{קת}}
</pre>I get:
<pre dir="rtl">
ערך
</pre>

==My problem==
If I call my template this way:
<pre dir="rtl">
{{קת}}ים
</pre>I get:<pre dir="rtl">
ערךים
</pre>instead:<pre dir="rtl">
ערכים
</pre>

==My question==
How would you suggest to solve that problem? [[Special:Contributions/49.230.192.242|49.230.192.242]] ([[User talk:49.230.192.242|talk]]) 08:40, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe there is a Lua trick for this pseudocode:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
If x=x and we get {{x}}y than output is z?
</syntaxhighlight>It's not really identical to what I am trying to do because z is not a "finalization variation" for either but still? [[Special:Contributions/182.232.14.80|182.232.14.80]] ([[User talk:182.232.14.80|talk]]) 05:26, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Template:User page vandalised

2021-11-11T18:45:09Z

182.232.243.208: Replaced content with "<"

Project:Support desk/Flow/2021/10

2021-10-19T11:53:09Z

182.232.6.32: /* Limiting a user account to edit only up to a certain number of characters in each edit */ Added reply

{{flow imported revision}}
{{Project:Support desk/Header/{{#ifexist::Project:Support desk/Header/{{int:lang}}|{{int:lang}}|en}}}}
== Show all hooks for specific page ==
{{Archive top|result=Found how to show hooks for a specific page through profiling. Worked because I was looking to do once for a specific page, but would not work for routine listing of hooks used on a page.|status=resolved}}

Is there a way to see the hooks that are called for a specific page and they order they are called in? [[User:Lorenmaxwell|Lorenmaxwell]] ([[User talk:Lorenmaxwell|talk]]) 01:35, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
:You could enable [[Profiling]].
:Generally speaking though, no. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:45, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
:Wonderful -- that helped greatly! [[User:Lorenmaxwell|Lorenmaxwell]] ([[User talk:Lorenmaxwell|talk]]) 03:31, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Is it possible to search for punctuation marks? ==

I have to search for all the pages that contain '''- >''' punctuation marks.

When I simply type the '''- >''' in the search field nothing is being found.

Is this type of search possible in MediaWiki? [[User:MrJConstantine|MrJConstantine]] ([[User talk:MrJConstantine|talk]]) 09:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
:If you make use of [[Help:CirrusSearch|CirrusSearch]] and set it up correctly, you can use "insource:/regex/" to search for specific characters. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 11:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

== Help with this error ==

Lua error in Module:TNT at line 159: Missing JsonConfig extension; Cannot load <nowiki>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:I18n/Uses</nowiki> TemplateStyles.tab. [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 12:18, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
:> Missing JsonConfig extension
:Install [[Extension:JsonConfig]]. Profit [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 16:42, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
:While you also have to configure it to use commons as a repo (not really documented), or make your own repo and copy over data namespaces (kind of annoying to do). Not exactly trivial. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 23:23, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

== poi2gpx on WikiVoyage doesn't work ==

When trying to download GPX file (POIs) on WikiVoyage there is an error. [[Special:Contributions/93.103.160.29|93.103.160.29]] ([[User talk:93.103.160.29|talk]]) 14:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
:This is the support forum for the MediaWiki software stack, not for wikivoyage. Maybe try here https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Travellers%27_pub ? —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 19:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

== Hunk #2 FAILED at 245 when applying MW 1.31.16 patch ==

I tried to apply the patch 1.31.16 to two 1.31.15 installations with the following result:
...
checking file includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php
Hunk #2 FAILED at 245.
1 out of 2 hunks FAILED
checking file includes/widget/search/FullSearchResultWidget.php
... [[User:Krabina|Krabina]] ([[User talk:Krabina|talk]]) 14:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
:You mean this one
:https://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.31/mediawiki-1.31.16.patch.zip on top of this one: https://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.31/mediawiki-1.31.15.zip ???
:Worked without a hitch for me with a clean apply. Are you sure of your versions ? —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 19:09, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
:yes. I downloaded the .gzip version though. All the patching went great on MW 1.35, but in both my tries with MW 1.31.15 I got the messeage above.
:In my second instance, I even had to patch the installation up to 1.15 which also went smootly, only the last patch showed the problem. [[User:Krabina|Krabina]] ([[User talk:Krabina|talk]]) 08:12, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:so you applied multiple patches on 1.31 ? First to bring it to 1.31.15 and then to 1.31.16 ? —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 10:08, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:in one case yes. It was on 1.31.12 and I brought it up to 1.31.15 and failed with 1.31.16.
:The other installation was already on 1.31.15 (by applying patches when they were issued). [[User:Krabina|Krabina]] ([[User talk:Krabina|talk]]) 10:19, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:k, what I think is the simplest, is to download a 1.31.5 original zip, unpack it next to your own installation (be careful not to override when unzipping). Then run diff -ruN 1.31.5-download/includes yourinstallation/includes
:just to see what the differences between the 2 bases are. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 11:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
diff -ruN mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/api/ApiQueryRecentChanges.php silver/includes/api/ApiQueryRecentChanges.php
--- mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/api/ApiQueryRecentChanges.php 2021-06-23 16:27:44.000000000 +0200
+++ silver/includes/api/ApiQueryRecentChanges.php 2019-07-11 10:06:50.000000000 +0200
@@ -631,8 +631,8 @@
if ( isset( $params['show'] ) &&
$this->includesPatrollingFlags( array_flip( $params['show'] ) )
) {
- return 'private';
- }
+ return 'private';
+ }
if ( isset( $params['token'] ) ) {
return 'private';
}
diff -ruN mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/auth/AuthManager.php silver/includes/auth/AuthManager.php
--- mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/auth/AuthManager.php 2021-06-23 16:27:44.000000000 +0200
+++ silver/includes/auth/AuthManager.php 2020-09-28 09:58:27.739140044 +0200
@@ -897,8 +897,8 @@
// When the main account's authentication data is changed, invalidate
// all BotPasswords too.
if ( !$isAddition ) {
- \BotPassword::invalidateAllPasswordsForUser( $req->username );
- }
+ \BotPassword::invalidateAllPasswordsForUser( $req->username );
+ }
}
/**@}*/
diff -ruN mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/logging/LogEventsList.php silver/includes/logging/LogEventsList.php
--- mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/logging/LogEventsList.php 2021-06-23 16:27:44.000000000 +0200
+++ silver/includes/logging/LogEventsList.php 2019-07-11 10:06:56.000000000 +0200
@@ -568,7 +568,7 @@
* @return bool
*/
public static function userCanViewLogType( $type, User $user = null ) {
- if ( $user === null ) {
+ if ( $user === null ){
global $wgUser;
$user = $wgUser;
}
diff -ruN mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/specials/SpecialChangeEmail.php silver/includes/specials/SpecialChangeEmail.php
--- mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/specials/SpecialChangeEmail.php 2021-06-23 16:27:44.000000000 +0200
+++ silver/includes/specials/SpecialChangeEmail.php 2019-07-11 10:06:50.000000000 +0200
@@ -61,9 +61,9 @@
parent::execute( $par );
}
- protected function getLoginSecurityLevel() {
- return $this->getName();
- }
+ protected function getLoginSecurityLevel() {
+ return $this->getName();
+ }
protected function checkExecutePermissions( User $user ) {
if ( !AuthManager::singleton()->allowsPropertyChange( 'emailaddress' ) ) {
diff -ruN mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php silver/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php
--- mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php 2021-06-23 16:27:44.000000000 +0200
+++ silver/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php 2020-12-22 15:14:53.657816326 +0100
@@ -248,20 +248,20 @@
}
$work = new PoolCounterWorkViaCallback( 'SpecialContributions', $poolKey, [
'doWork' => function () use ( $pager, $out ) {
- # Show a message about replica DB lag, if applicable
- $lb = MediaWikiServices::getInstance()->getDBLoadBalancer();
- $lag = $lb->safeGetLag( $pager->getDatabase() );
- if ( $lag > 0 ) {
- $out->showLagWarning( $lag );
- }
+ # Show a message about replica DB lag, if applicable
+ $lb = MediaWikiServices::getInstance()->getDBLoadBalancer();
+ $lag = $lb->safeGetLag( $pager->getDatabase() );
+ if ( $lag > 0 ) {
+ $out->showLagWarning( $lag );
+ }
- $output = $pager->getBody();
- if ( !$this->including() ) {
- $output = '' . $pager->getNavigationBar() . '' .
- $output .
- '' . $pager->getNavigationBar() . '';
- }
- $out->addHTML( $output );
+ $output = $pager->getBody();
+ if ( !$this->including() ) {
+ $output = '' . $pager->getNavigationBar() . '' .
+ $output .
+ '' . $pager->getNavigationBar() . '';
+ }
+ $out->addHTML( $output );
},
'error' => function () use ( $out ) {
$msg = $this->getUser()->isAnon()
diff -ruN mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/specials/SpecialEditTags.php silver/includes/specials/SpecialEditTags.php
--- mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/specials/SpecialEditTags.php 2021-06-23 16:27:44.000000000 +0200
+++ silver/includes/specials/SpecialEditTags.php 2019-07-11 10:06:50.000000000 +0200
@@ -225,7 +225,7 @@
// phpcs:ignore Generic.CodeAnalysis.ForLoopWithTestFunctionCall
for ( $list->reset(); $list->current(); $list->next() ) {
$item = $list->current();
- if ( !$item->canView() ) {
+ if ( !$item->canView() ){
throw new ErrorPageError( 'permissionserrors', 'tags-update-no-permission' );
}
$numRevisions++;
diff -ruN mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/user/User.php silver/includes/user/User.php
--- mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/user/User.php 2021-06-23 16:27:44.000000000 +0200
+++ silver/includes/user/User.php 2021-10-01 16:45:58.107282616 +0200
@@ -1801,8 +1801,8 @@
? $sessionUser->getName()
: IP::sanitizeIP( $sessionUser->getRequest()->getIP() );
if ( $this->getName() === $globalUserName && !$this->isAllowed( 'ipblock-exempt' ) ) {
- $ip = $this->getRequest()->getIP();
- }
+ $ip = $this->getRequest()->getIP();
+ }
// User/IP blocking
$block = Block::newFromTarget( $this, $ip, !$bFromSlave );
diff -ruN mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/user/UserGroupMembership.php silver/includes/user/UserGroupMembership.php
--- mediawiki-1.31.15/includes/user/UserGroupMembership.php 2021-06-23 16:27:44.000000000 +0200
+++ silver/includes/user/UserGroupMembership.php 2020-05-26 14:33:37.903366159 +0200
@@ -396,7 +396,7 @@
// link to the group description page, if it exists
$linkTitle = self::getGroupPage( $group );
- if ( $format === 'wiki' ) {
+ if ( $format === 'wiki' ) {
if ( $linkTitle ) {
$linkPage = $linkTitle->getFullText();
$groupLink = "[[$linkPage|$groupName]]";
@@ -407,8 +407,8 @@
if ( $linkTitle ) {
$groupLink = Linker::link( $linkTitle, htmlspecialchars( $groupName ) );
} else {
- $groupLink = htmlspecialchars( $groupName );
- }
+ $groupLink = htmlspecialchars( $groupName );
+ }
}
if ( $expiry ) {
@@ -420,9 +420,9 @@
$expiryT = $uiLanguage->userTime( $expiry, $uiUser );
if ( $format === 'wiki' ) {
- return $context->msg( 'group-membership-link-with-expiry' )
- ->params( $groupLink, $expiryDT, $expiryD, $expiryT )->text();
- } else {
+ return $context->msg( 'group-membership-link-with-expiry' )
+ ->params( $groupLink, $expiryDT, $expiryD, $expiryT )->text();
+ } else {
$groupLink = Message::rawParam( $groupLink );
return $context->msg( 'group-membership-link-with-expiry' )
->params( $groupLink, $expiryDT, $expiryD, $expiryT )->escaped();
</syntaxhighlight> [[User:Krabina|Krabina]] ([[User talk:Krabina|talk]]) 13:43, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:I encountered the same problem when applying the mediawiki-1.31.16.patch on top of the 1.31.15. @Krabina did you find a solution? [[Special:Contributions/2003:ED:5F08:F000:DC70:E26C:CAC0:2AF|2003:ED:5F08:F000:DC70:E26C:CAC0:2AF]] ([[User talk:2003:ED:5F08:F000:DC70:E26C:CAC0:2AF|talk]]) 06:17, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:Not yet. I think it is always possible (and in our case I guess a good idea) to delete all folders except for images and other custom things (extension) and copy all files from a fresh 1.13.16 downloads in your document root.
:However, I hope that there is another solution. Thank you for mentioning that you have the same problem, this helps to relize that it is not my individual mistake. [[User:Krabina|Krabina]] ([[User talk:Krabina|talk]]) 12:02, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:hmm. those all seem like whitespace differences you have there Krabina... maybe a patch from an earlier update had the whitspace (tab vs space) incorrect ??? —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 22:07, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:When I try to install the mediawiki-1.31.16.patch on top of the 1.31.15, the includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php is rejected. In the newly created includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php.rej I get the following log:
:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
--- includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php 2021-06-23 16:27:44.768833900 +0100
+++ includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php 2021-09-30 17:44:14.791467700 +0100
@@ -245,21 +243,24 @@
$poolKey .= 'u:' . $this->getUser()->getId();
}
$work = new PoolCounterWorkViaCallback( 'SpecialContributions', $poolKey, [
- 'doWork' => function () use ( $pager, $out ) {
- # Show a message about replica DB lag, if applicable
- $lb = MediaWikiServices::getInstance()->getDBLoadBalancer();
- $lag = $lb->safeGetLag( $pager->getDatabase() );
- if ( $lag > 0 ) {
- $out->showLagWarning( $lag );
- }
+ 'doWork' => function () use ( $pager, $out, $target ) {
+ if ( !$pager->getNumRows() ) {
+ $out->addWikiMsg( 'nocontribs', $target );
+ } else {
+ # Show a message about replica DB lag, if applicable
+ $lag = $pager->getDatabase()->getSessionLagStatus()['lag'];
+ if ( $lag > 0 ) {
+ $out->showLagWarning( $lag );
+ }
- $output = $pager->getBody();
- if ( !$this->including() ) {
- $output = '
' . $pager->getNavigationBar() . '
' .
- $output .
- '
' . $pager->getNavigationBar() . '
';
+ $output = $pager->getBody();
+ if ( !$this->including() ) {
+ $output = $pager->getNavigationBar() .
+ $output .
+ $pager->getNavigationBar();
+ }
+ $out->addHTML( $output );
}
- $out->addHTML( $output );
},
'error' => function () use ( $out ) {
$msg = $this->getUser()->isAnon()
</syntaxhighlight> [[Special:Contributions/2003:ED:5F06:E300:AD5F:A404:4C52:34A2|2003:ED:5F06:E300:AD5F:A404:4C52:34A2]] ([[User talk:2003:ED:5F06:E300:AD5F:A404:4C52:34A2|talk]]) 07:01, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

== preferences tab not working ==

All went fine till 15 september but suddenly I cant see Wikieditor and preferences tab, such as editing apperance and other. I can not click on it, it is like disabled.

https://wrestlepedia.org/index.php/Special:Preferences please help me [[User:Wpsupport|Wpsupport]] ([[User talk:Wpsupport|talk]]) 17:03, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
:Check your web browser's developer tools for potential errors, try a different browser, and/or contact wrestlepedia.org if they changed anything. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 13:34, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

== Problem with Varnish caching with Hitch ==

I'm using Varnish caching with Hitch for SSL on my wiki. I have finished setting up the wiki itself (Nginx) (8081) which is behind Varnish (8443) which is behind Hitch (443). I tried to access my site with SSL, but it redirects me directly to port 8081. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? I use the aaPanel control panel, so if I generate a SSL certificate there, it will automatically apply it to my port 8081 site, and Varnish doesn't support SSL. So I generated a ZeroSSL certificate and placed it in <code>/etc/cert/cert.pem</code>.

This is my Varnish config (<code>/etc/varnish/default.vcl</code>):

https://gist.github.com/wolf20482/cc7d25b8674b969437b5193c2a836dba

This is my Hitch config (<code>/etc/hitch/hitch.conf</code>):

https://gist.github.com/wolf20482/9a1142f6e966fc1eb59611645c7eef26

This is my Nginx virtual host config:

https://gist.github.com/wolf20482/3ce1102dc3ae2aff0aa4f33192ab7bba

My wiki web address is https://scpvncommunitywiki.xyz (it will automatically redirect to 8081, the varnish backend, as you visit it)

Everything on the wiki is fine, except that when I visit it at port 443, it redirects to 8081, which is the varnish backend.

'''Special:Version information'''

MediaWiki: 1.36.1

PHP: 7.4.24 (fpm-fcgi)

MariaDB: 10.0.38-MariaDB

'''PS:''' The problem described above only happens when I visit https://scpvncommunitywiki.xyz (domain only), '''not''' https://scpvncommunitywiki.xyz/wiki/Trang_Chính [[User:Wolf20482|Wolf20482]] ([[User talk:Wolf20482|talk]]) 07:46, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
:What is $wgServer set to in your LocalSettings.php ?
:In your nginx you have
:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
#REWRITE-START URL rewrite rule reference, any modification will invalidate the rewrite rules set by the panel
include /www/server/panel/vhost/rewrite/scpvncommunitywiki.xyz.conf;
#REWRITE-END
</syntaxhighlight>
:Maybe its related to that? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 10:27, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:My $wgServer is https://scpvncommunitywiki.xyz
:My $wgInternalServer is http://scpvncommunitywiki.xyz:8081 [[User:Wolf20482|Wolf20482]] ([[User talk:Wolf20482|talk]]) 11:57, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

== Cyrillic URL encode ==

URL problem:

Cyrillic renders correctly in MediaWiki Sidebar, but Cyrillic is encoded in articles(titles).

Example:

On other WiKi, there is no problem.

What is the problem?

MediaWiki 1.36.1

PHP 7.4.21 (apache2handler)

MariaDB 10.5.11-MariaDB-1

It is necessary to correctly display the Cyrillic alphabet in articles (headings), and encode the URL only when copying.

Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/90.150.90.194|90.150.90.194]] ([[User talk:90.150.90.194|talk]]) 18:24, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
:My WiKi:
:arch-cat.ru/ [[Special:Contributions/90.150.90.194|90.150.90.194]] ([[User talk:90.150.90.194|talk]]) 18:26, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
:I dont see anything onviously wrong when i go to your site. Can you be more specific? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 10:26, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, the spam filter is in the way.
:When using the content(mw-toc-heading), the url is encoded. How to remove it?
:arch-cat.ru/index.php/Debian#'''URL encoded'''
:On other wiki, no problem.
:ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Александр_Сергеевич_Пушкин#'''URL not encoded'''
:When using content(mw-toc-heading), url is not encoded, encoded only when copied. How can I do the same?
:Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/90.150.90.194|90.150.90.194]] ([[User talk:90.150.90.194|talk]]) 19:57, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:Oh. See [[Manual:$wgFragmentMode]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 03:01, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:It works, thanks. [[Special:Contributions/90.150.90.194|90.150.90.194]] ([[User talk:90.150.90.194|talk]]) 08:37, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

== Get database without running server ==

We have a wiki running on a vm, but this VM got corrupted so we can't run it anymore. We do have access to the files however. Is there a way to get the database when the VM is mounted? It should be a postgresql DB. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:1810:849F:2100:36EE:1645:2D7D:A3DA|2A02:1810:849F:2100:36EE:1645:2D7D:A3DA]] ([[User talk:2A02:1810:849F:2100:36EE:1645:2D7D:A3DA|talk]]) 22:16, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
:Probably yes, as long as the db files aren't corrupted. You should ask this on a specialist postgres forum or maybe stack overflow. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 10:25, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

== Display entry in category ==

I have entries that are a person's name. I've flagged all of these for a specific category and use their last name as a sort key. This works great for keeping all the Smith's under the "S" subheading.

However, is there a way to indicate how each entry should be displayed on the category page?

For instance, I'd like "John Smith" to appear under the "S" category, perhaps as "Smith, John"? [[Special:Contributions/174.108.83.130|174.108.83.130]] ([[User talk:174.108.83.130|talk]]) 23:49, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe [[extension:DisplayTitle]] does that, not sure [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 10:23, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you very much. It does 99% of what I want, but it is still putting "Smith, John" under "J". I'll dig further to try fix this [[Special:Contributions/174.108.83.130|174.108.83.130]] ([[User talk:174.108.83.130|talk]]) 18:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:Fixed it using DEFAULTSORT! Now 100% solution. [[Special:Contributions/174.108.83.130|174.108.83.130]] ([[User talk:174.108.83.130|talk]]) 19:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

== forgot my password ==

Hey.

i forgot my password, entered my email but did not revcieve the email with a new password in it.

Hopefully i recieve the email with my new password so i can log in @ modplug forum again,

Best regards,

Ronald [[Special:Contributions/2A02:A46C:9AA:1:1E:B03C:6B3E:11EA|2A02:A46C:9AA:1:1E:B03C:6B3E:11EA]] ([[User talk:2A02:A46C:9AA:1:1E:B03C:6B3E:11EA|talk]]) 01:53, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:If your using your own server open terminal goto ur installation directory then goto maintence and run php Createandpremote.php --force YOURUSER YOURPASSWORD [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7E:2D3D:AF00:E469:1BCB:185C:2943|2A02:C7E:2D3D:AF00:E469:1BCB:185C:2943]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7E:2D3D:AF00:E469:1BCB:185C:2943|talk]]) 06:33, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

== How to get latest modified article title? ==

Hey,

I wanna get 'only one' recently modified article 'TITLE' name. how can I get?

I already know that function 'SimpleChanges' to get recently modified article title, but it has <nowiki><ul><li> list so that I cannot use it.</nowiki>

Best regards,

Smile. [[Special:Contributions/58.143.52.4|58.143.52.4]] ([[User talk:58.143.52.4|talk]]) 02:37, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:If you want to display the name of the most recently modified page, I'm sure you could do that using the DynamicPageList3 extension. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 08:25, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:Where do you want to get it from? As in, are you working in a php extension, js on the client side, wikitext, or a generic web api call? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 10:22, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

== Magic words in JWB [solved] ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

Hi. It's been years since I've used magic words in AWB. I thought the syntax was s.t. like %%PAGENAME%%, but can't figure out how to make it work w JWB. I'd like to add a category to a batch of files that incorporates the file name. I could use { + {PAGENAME} + }, but I'd want to modify the results. (Each file conveniently starts with the first word of the appropriate cat, so with a couple runs I should be able to cat them all properly.)

Thanks, [[User:Kwamikagami|Kwamikagami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 05:52, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Solved: prepend with $x. [[User:Kwamikagami|Kwamikagami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 18:44, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Central Notice help ==

Hello Everyone I need help with my centralnotice.. I Already have the Extension installed and configured, it is working perfectly..... But I want the banner should be permanent with no close button.. How do I set that.??? [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 07:34, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:I don't know the answer (sorry) but it sounds like MediaWiki:Sitenotice might work for you and be simpler. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 08:22, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:Alright thanks , and one quick question... I am having a course next week and i want to learn how to understand mediawiki language perfectly.. Which language would you recommend. is it Php or which one.. Thanks [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 08:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:> understand mediawiki language perfectly
:Understand what part and to what end?
:MediaWiki is mostly written in php but with some important client side bits in javascript. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 10:20, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:Alright Thanks so Much, I really appreciate [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 12:49, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

== Issue with Preferences ;- Number of edits: ==

Which ever i click my Preferences , and click my total edits i always get this error

[4ed30fdfb34764867a473194] /wiki/Special:Contributions/website RuntimeException: Failed to make ORES request to <nowiki>[https://ores.wikimedia.org/v3/scores/Username_/?format=json]</nowiki>, There was a problem during the HTTP request: 404 Not Found

Backtrace:

from /home/Username/en.website.org/extensions/ORES/includes/ORESService.php(131)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /home/Username/en.website.org/extensions/ORES/includes/Services/PopulatedSqlModelLookup.php(65): ORES\ORESService->request(array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /home/Username/en.website.org/extensions/ORES/includes/Services/PopulatedSqlModelLookup.php(56): ORES\Services\PopulatedSqlModelLookup->initializeModels(array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /home/Username/en.website.org/extensions/ORES/includes/Services/PopulatedSqlModelLookup.php(93): ORES\Services\PopulatedSqlModelLookup->getModels()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /home/Username/en.website.org/extensions/ORES/includes/Hooks/Helpers.php(65): ORES\Services\PopulatedSqlModelLookup->getModelId(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /home/Username/en.website.org/extensions/ORES/includes/Hooks/ContributionsHooksHandler.php(43): ORES\Hooks\Helpers::joinWithOresTables(string, string, array, array, array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/HookContainer/HookContainer.php(338): ORES\Hooks\ContributionsHooksHandler::onContribsGetQueryInfo(ContribsPager, array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/HookContainer/HookContainer.php(137): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookContainer->callLegacyHook(string, array, array, array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/HookContainer/HookRunner.php(1336): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookContainer->run(string, array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/specials/pagers/ContribsPager.php(396): MediaWiki\HookContainer\HookRunner->onContribsPager__getQueryInfo(ContribsPager, array)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/pager/IndexPager.php(466): ContribsPager->getQueryInfo()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/pager/RangeChronologicalPager.php(109): IndexPager->buildQueryInfo(string, integer, boolean)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/specials/pagers/ContribsPager.php(233): RangeChronologicalPager->buildQueryInfo(string, integer, boolean)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/pager/IndexPager.php(278): ContribsPager->reallyDoQuery(string, integer, boolean)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/pager/IndexPager.php(733): IndexPager->doQuery()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>14 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php(305): IndexPager->getNumRows()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>15 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(646): SpecialContributions->execute(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>16 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1386): SpecialPage->run(string)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>17 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/MediaWiki.php(309): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath(Title, RequestContext)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>18 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/MediaWiki.php(913): MediaWiki->performRequest()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>19 /home/Username/en.website.org/includes/MediaWiki.php(546): MediaWiki->main()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>20 /home/Username/en.website.org/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>21 /home/Username/en.website.org/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>22 {main} [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 08:54, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:Might i suggest either disabling, reconfiguring or updating the ORES extension? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 10:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

== Fatal error on loading Main page ==

Hey All.

I upgraded (actually newly installing and transfering DB) MW from 1.34.0 to 1.36.2.

I think all DBs are succesfully installed but it makes error on Main page.

[ type fatal error on "Wikimedia\Timestamp\TimestampException" ]

when I added [ $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; ] on LocalSettings.php, it prints out.

[e75cdd34c72b56a4aa946b1d] /index.php?title=%EB%8C%80%EB%AC%B8 Wikimedia\Timestamp\TimestampException: Wikimedia\Timestamp\ConvertibleTimestamp::setTimestamp: Invalid timestamp - 2.02E+13

Backtrace:

from /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/vendor/wikimedia/timestamp/src/ConvertibleTimestamp.php(240)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/vendor/wikimedia/timestamp/src/ConvertibleTimestamp.php(165): Wikimedia\Timestamp\ConvertibleTimestamp->setTimestamp()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/Revision/RevisionStoreRecord.php(73): Wikimedia\Timestamp\ConvertibleTimestamp->__construct()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/Revision/RevisionStoreCacheRecord.php(67): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStoreRecord->__construct()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/Revision/RevisionStore.php(1763): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStoreCacheRecord->__construct()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/Revision/RevisionStore.php(1569): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore->newRevisionFromRowAndSlots()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/Revision/RevisionStore.php(3217): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore->newRevisionFromRow()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/page/WikiPage.php(873): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore->getKnownCurrentRevision()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/page/WikiPage.php(912): WikiPage->loadLastEdit()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/page/Article.php(393): WikiPage->getRevisionRecord()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/page/Article.php(660): Article->fetchRevisionRecord()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/page/Article.php(561): Article->generateContentOutput()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/actions/ViewAction.php(74): Article->view()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/MediaWiki.php(531): ViewAction->show()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/MediaWiki.php(315): MediaWiki->performAction()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>14 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/MediaWiki.php(913): MediaWiki->performRequest()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>15 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/includes/MediaWiki.php(546): MediaWiki->main()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>16 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>17 /var/www/clients/client338/web1632/web/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>18 {main}

I think this means that there was a timestamp with 2.02E+13 but I cannont find it. I guess that There wound be time difference error because it print out the time now as 2021-10-03 18:05:35 but it is 2021-10-04 03:06:35 here in Korea. (9 hours difference)

I don't know how I can fix it. can somebody help me? [[Special:Contributions/58.143.52.4|58.143.52.4]] ([[User talk:58.143.52.4|talk]]) 18:07, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:I think maybe a timestamp is missing a digit and its interpreting it as a unix timestamp instead.
:Normal timestamps are 14 digits in YYYYMMDDHHMMSS.
:for the page in question, you could check in db what is the page_latest foeld for that page, which gives you a revision id. You could see what rev_timestamp is set to for the revision that has a rev_id matching the page_latest field. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:59, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

== correction to my previous complaint, it s map 4,283,503, american homefront, We can not research Medium tanks till day 4 how is it possible for North California able to have produced them allready ==
{{Archive top|result=Off-topic here; this is about MediaWiki software|status=resolved}}

This is an outragiously unfair practice and will be reported to the gaming commision [[Special:Contributions/2604:2D80:690D:BB00:34C3:5FE8:D820:345|2604:2D80:690D:BB00:34C3:5FE8:D820:345]] ([[User talk:2604:2D80:690D:BB00:34C3:5FE8:D820:345|talk]]) 22:23, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:You are in the wrong place. Please do read the sidebar. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 09:09, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Hide Main Page title, the second one ==

Hello Everyone i need help hiding my main page title..

I added body.page-Main_Page.action-view h1.firstHeading, body.page-Main_Page.action-submit h1.firstHeading { display: none; } on my css and it worked... But the other one is still showing.

=Main Page=
From Wikipedia

The One Showing (From Wikipedia) is still showing.. How can i remove it also. [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 23:46, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
:See [[Manual:Tagline (Site Subtitle)]]. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 06:42, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

== Right-to-Left issue: Flip parenthesis inside a link ==

MediaWiki 1.36.1 in Hebrew.

In the following text, the parenthesis adjacent to the English text should appear from the right but appears from the left.
<pre dir="rtl">
[[מתודת document.write()]]
</pre>I tried to fix it with a template changing right to left.

==Template:מל==
<pre>
{{{1}}}
</pre>

==Input==
<pre dir="rtl">
[[מתודת {{מל|document.write()}}]]
</pre>

==Output==
<pre dir="rtl">
[[מתודת document.write()]]
</pre>

==My question==
As my fix try failed, how would you suggest to try to fix it? [[Special:Contributions/49.230.58.235|49.230.58.235]] ([[User talk:49.230.58.235|talk]]) 00:41, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:I think that's just how the HTML pre tag works. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 11:36, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
<pre dir="rtl">
[[מתודת ()document.write]]
</pre>

You could just type it the wrong way round :-) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 13:49, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Jonathan3}} thanks, I really want to avoid such tricks to ensure easy maintenance in the long run.
:I might do it with JavaScript though. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.62.107|49.230.62.107]] ([[User talk:49.230.62.107|talk]]) 15:25, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:What effect (overall) are you trying to achieve? [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:57, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Jonathan3}}
:Just that the parenthesis in the output will be on the '''right'''. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.62.107|49.230.62.107]] ([[User talk:49.230.62.107|talk]]) 01:35, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
welcome to BIDI land!

So computers don't know if the parenthesis go with the hebrew or the english text.

One way to fix: add &lrm; immediately after the parenthisis. This is an invisible character called a LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK that looks like an english character in terms of directionality. If () is surrounded by "english" characters (including &lrm;) on both sides they should behave like english parenthesis

<pre dir="rtl">
[[מתודת document.write()&lrm;]]
</pre>

The other alternative is like you were doing with the direction tag, but just for the english part.

<pre dir="rtl">
[[מתודת document.write()|מתודת document.write()]]
</pre>

As you can see, the wikitext source looks messed up but it should look fine when rendered. (Dir=auto is newer compared to dir=ltr. Its a bit less confusing how it works compared to dir=ltr. Either should work in this case.).

if typing it out in a ltr wiki, the wikitext source looks like
<pre dir="ltr">
[[מתודת document.write()|מתודת document.write()]]
</pre>

There are also some other override characters. Honestly, they are rarely needed and a bit confusing how they work and difficult to type. 99% of the time &lrm; &rlm; (Or equivalently &רלמ; . RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK is the only one with a hebrew equivalent. The hebrew equivalent is a custom mediawiki thing and doesn't work in normal html) and . If you want to learn more on the subject see https://www.w3.org/International/articles/inline-bidi-markup/uba-basics and https://www.w3.org/International/articles/inline-bidi-markup/ which also lists the more obscure control characters and what they do. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:47, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks a lot Bawolff, I should seek some single-character-character which represents the multi-character-character &lrm; [[Special:Contributions/49.230.62.107|49.230.62.107]] ([[User talk:49.230.62.107|talk]]) 03:57, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:Things starting with & in wikitext are just another way to write a character. E.g. you can write → directly or you can do &rarr; which will make the same character.
:Similarly, you can write &lrm; directly. It can just be difficult because its an invisible character, so its hard to copy and paste. On windows you can insert by holding down alt, typing a + character and then 200E (200F if you want rlm instead of lrm) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 00:27, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== Update error v.1.32 to 1.36: Main slot of revision not found in database. ==

We're upgrading a Mediawiki website from version 1.22 to 1.36, but for sure on process, we are making release by release. We reached until version 1.34 with some warnings, but all solved. The issue is from version 1.34 > 1.35, the message next:

<code>[2da7d6b00d8c220c100c264d] / MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionAccessException: Main slot of revision not found in database. See T212428.</code>

<code>Backtrace:</code>

<code>from /var/www/wiki/includes/Revision/RevisionStore.php(1479)</code>

<code>#0 /var/www/wiki/includes/Revision/RevisionStore.php(1409): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore->constructSlotRecords(string, Wikimedia\Rdbms\ResultWrapper, integer, Title)</code>

<code>#1 /var/www/wiki/includes/Revision/RevisionStore.php(1405): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore->loadSlotRecords(string, integer, Title)</code>

<code>#2 /var/www/wiki/includes/Revision/RevisionStore.php(1518): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore->loadSlotRecords(string, integer, Title)</code>

<code>#3 [internal function]: MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore->MediaWiki\Revision\{closure}()</code>

<code>#4 /var/www/wiki/includes/Revision/RevisionSlots.php(167): call_user_func(Closure)</code>

<code>#5 /var/www/wiki/includes/Revision/RevisionSlots.php(109): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionSlots->getSlots()</code>

<code>#6 /var/www/wiki/includes/Revision/RevisionRecord.php(181): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionSlots->getSlot(string)</code>

<code>#7 /var/www/wiki/includes/Revision/RevisionRecord.php(164): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionRecord->getSlot(string, integer, NULL)</code>

<code>#8 /var/www/wiki/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1207): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionRecord->getContent(string)</code>

<code>#9 /var/www/wiki/includes/libs/objectcache/wancache/WANObjectCache.php(1707): MessageCache->{closure}(boolean, integer, array, NULL, array)</code>

<code>#10 /var/www/wiki/includes/libs/objectcache/wancache/WANObjectCache.php(1539): WANObjectCache->fetchOrRegenerate(string, integer, Closure, array, array)</code>

<code>#11 /var/www/wiki/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1227): WANObjectCache->getWithSetCallback(string, integer, Closure)</code>

<code>#12 /var/www/wiki/includes/libs/objectcache/BagOStuff.php(208): MessageCache->{closure}(integer)</code>

<code>#13 /var/www/wiki/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1229): BagOStuff->getWithSetCallback(string, integer, Closure)</code>

<code>#14 /var/www/wiki/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1131): MessageCache->loadCachedMessagePageEntry(string, string, string)</code>

<code>#15 /var/www/wiki/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1039): MessageCache->getMsgFromNamespace(string, string)</code>

<code>#16 /var/www/wiki/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1010): MessageCache->getMessageForLang(Language, string, boolean, array)</code>

<code>#17 /var/www/wiki/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(952): MessageCache->getMessageFromFallbackChain(Language, string, boolean)</code>

<code>#18 /var/www/wiki/includes/language/Message.php(1377): MessageCache->get(string, boolean, Language)</code>

<code>#19 /var/www/wiki/includes/language/Message.php(895): Message->fetchMessage()</code>

<code>#20 /var/www/wiki/includes/language/Message.php(987): Message->format(string)</code>

<code>#21 /var/www/wiki/includes/Title.php(687): Message->text()</code>

<code>#22 /var/www/wiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(136): Title::newMainPage()</code>

<code>#23 /var/www/wiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(156): MediaWiki->parseTitle()</code>

<code>#24 /var/www/wiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(874): MediaWiki->getTitle()</code>

<code>#25 /var/www/wiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(546): MediaWiki->main()</code>

<code>#26 /var/www/wiki/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()</code>

<code>#27 /var/www/wiki/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()</code>

<code>#28 {main}</code> [[User:Mauricioadriano|Mauricioadriano]] ([[User talk:Mauricioadriano|talk]]) 15:12, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:The title is "1.32" because I identified major changes from 1.32 to 1.33, so I think better recover the backup of this version... but the return was the same. I also have the log of the execution of update.php. [[User:Mauricioadriano|Mauricioadriano]] ([[User talk:Mauricioadriano|talk]]) 15:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:Does info at [[phab:T212428]] help? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:28, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:yes Bawolff, I did. [[User:Mauricioadriano|Mauricioadriano]] ([[User talk:Mauricioadriano|talk]]) 19:08, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

== Creating New Footer Icon ==

Hello i am trying to customize new footer icon

$wgFooterIcons['poweredby']['myicon'] = [
"src" => "/path/to/my/image.png",
<nowiki> </nowiki> // you may also use a direct path to the source, e.g. "<nowiki>http://example.com/my/custom/path/to/MyCustomLogo.png</nowiki>"
"url" => "<nowiki>http://example.com/</nowiki>",
"alt" => "Some text here...",
// For HiDPI support, you can specify paths to larger versions of the icon.
"srcset" =>
"/path/to/1.5x_version.png 1.5x, " .
"/path/to/2x_version.png 2x",
// If you have a non-default sized icon you can specify the size yourself.
"height" => "31",
"width" => "88",
];

I know where to add text and url... which of them will i edit to the image path.... [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 16:35, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:The one labelled src.
:Srcset is optional, its used to load higher resolution versions on browsers like iphones where the screen is higher resolution than normal screens. If you dont want that just dont include a srcset key. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

== I can't get my Wiki website to get indexed by Google Search Console ==

Hello, everyone.

I just created my MediaWiki website 2 days ago. I'm used to WordPress websites and have experience with PHP and SEO but the MediaWiki stuff is somewhat new to me. My website is working perfectly, I'm using Google Analytics with no issues and I ran a bunch of OnPage SEO reports which say my website is fully working.

However, I added my MediaWiki website in Google Search Console and in URL inspection tool, when I ask Google Search Console to index my website, they refuse indexation based on results in the real time test. In this real time results my site doesn't even get crawled. Also, I have a fully working sitemap.xml file which I added with AutoSitemap extension for MediaWiki. My XML sitemap is getting indexed by some other bunch of 3rd party tools around the internet, but Google can't recognize the file in Search Console.

My Wiki is this one, in pt_BR language: https://newworld.wiki.br/

Does anyone have experience with what I should do in this situation? Anything to point me to the right place? Thanks a lot! [[Special:Contributions/2804:14D:90A8:8251:8906:3583:833B:9FF0|2804:14D:90A8:8251:8906:3583:833B:9FF0]] ([[User talk:2804:14D:90A8:8251:8906:3583:833B:9FF0|talk]]) 17:15, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:What's the reason google search console gives for refusing to index? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

== Can't Edit Main Page after Deleting Revisions ==

Is there a way to overcome the following error?

<code>MWexception ... could not find text for current revision</code>

It prevents the user from editing the Main page.

Said user is a teacher in our network who has been using MediaWiki since 2009 to get learners to create a knowledge base. This semester, a student pointed out that it was possible to use page history to access pages from previous years. In this case, that'd be a strategy to cheat in the assignment.

One solution found was to delete revisions.

[[Help:RevisionDelete|Help:RevisionDelete - MediaWiki]]

This was done directly in the database. And it was working... until the user deleted revisions for the Main page.

Now, the Main page says that revision number NNNN doesn't exist and that it should be solved in the deletion log... which is empty.

Attempting to edit the Main page produces the aforementioned exception (which is apparently a “Sanity check for bug 37225”).

Adding and editing other pages still works.

The database backup would be difficult to retrieve.

What's the best course of action, at this point? Is there a way to create a new Main page? Creating a blank revision?

Thanks! [[User:AlexEnkerli|AlexEnkerli]] ([[User talk:AlexEnkerli|talk]]) 18:33, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:> This was done directly in the database. And it was working... until the user deleted revisions for the Main page.
:The page you linked does not suggest directly editing the db. Can you list exactly what commands you did?
:Generally speaking,bad things happen when you delete the most recent revision of a page (you should first make a new revision without the info and delete the old one).
:If you just modified rev_deletrd field you could just set it back to 0 on the page in question. If you actually deleted the whole row, you could try putting it back, or just delete the whole page entirely and recreate it. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:22, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}}: The teacher did delete the entire row for the latest revision. So I guess the best thing to do is to delete the page. How do we recreate it afterwards? (I did retrieve the Main page's content from a cache. I just want to know how to create a new Main page.)
:Of course, you're right, the instructions didn't talk about the db. The teacher and a ped counsellor were already using the db to delete pages in bulk. I do realize it wasn't the proper approach. It's the one which was most compatible with existing practice.
:For reference, here's how it went:
:We all went to the `revision` table and tested with a single revision, then with revisions for the same page. Once we checked that it had the desired result, we set about doing the same for all the other unwanted revisions. If memory serves, there were 17k of them.
:With the `revision` table set to 250 rows, we'd select all rows, unselect the initial and most recent revisions, and click delete. The teacher finished that process.
:So... As long as I know how to create a new Main page, I guess it'll be the best approach. Maybe I'll try that on a separate instance. [[User:AlexEnkerli|AlexEnkerli]] ([[User talk:AlexEnkerli|talk]]) 15:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:There is a workaround. Create a new page called "Main Page new". Put some content in it. Then move "Main Page new" to "Main Page" and let it overwrite the old one. [[User:Buster2223|Buster2223]] ([[User talk:Buster2223|talk]]) 23:41, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== Trouble with transfer/upgrading ==

I have a wiki at https://www.informationism.org<nowiki/>that I had hosted at Siteground. Because it was going to cost me so much to continue hosting it there I moved to Hostinger and got them to transfer the site. However after transfer there was no content on the pages. This issue may be a well known one: [[Topic:Sdqa68uut9dw9zo5]] and [[Manual:Common errors and symptoms#All pages have no content.2C but when editing a page the wiki text is there]]

The advice is to upgrade which I attempted to do so. However when I upgraded I got the message that the wiki couldn't access the database. So now I have two installations of mediawiki that don't work and Hostsinger say they can't help because they are not "software developers" is there anyone here who could help me get back on my feet? [[User:Andrewrutherford|Andrewrutherford]] ([[User talk:Andrewrutherford|talk]]) 23:23, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hmm mw 1.16 and php 5.3. That is pretty old. So yeah, you need to upgrade mediawiki (or downgrade pcre that php is linked to)
:To start with, to upgrade mw you would have to upgrade php.
:If command line php says it cant connect to db, that might meandb drivers are not installed for it or not enabled in php.ini. remember that cli php is totally different than web php and can have different version or config. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:15, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks very much for your help. On my new installation: https://www.informationism.org/mediawiki-1.25.2/index.php It says:
:=Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.=
:Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.
:(Cannot access the database)
:Is there any advised quick fix for this? [[User:Andrewrutherford|Andrewrutherford]] ([[User talk:Andrewrutherford|talk]]) 07:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:Sounds rough. Make sure you keep good backups. Keep in mind you'll run into trouble with different versions of mediawiki, mysql, and php.
:I think your best bet is to do gradual upgrades until you get to a Mediawiki version that supports php7.1. Then do a dump and a fresh install on the new server. (to change to 7.1 [https://www.hostinger.com/tutorials/how-to-change-your-php-version How to Change the PHP Version of Your Website – Hostinger Tutorials])
:It's kind of lame that your new host didn't know this. Another route might be just get a refund and try someone else. [[User:Buster2223|Buster2223]] ([[User talk:Buster2223|talk]]) 19:53, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

== Duplicate rows in Cargo ==

I have installed mediawiki and Cargo 3.0, using Postrgesql 13. I am following the book catalog example and have got it mostly working. However, I get duplicate rows of books. How can I fix this? [[User:Lbundle|Lbundle]] ([[User talk:Lbundle|talk]]) 01:39, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:This is a known problem - best to head over to Cargo's talk page with full details.
:My workaround is to use GROUP BY in all queries, and periodically to recreate the tables... [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 08:27, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

== How do I delete or edit the Donate link in side bar ==

How can i edit the donate link in side bar. [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 05:57, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:Side bar can be edited at: [[Mediawiki:Sidebar]] [[User:Fokebox|Fokebox]] ([[User talk:Fokebox|talk]]) 07:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:See [[manual:Sidebar]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:49, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== Creating Two media wiki on same domain ==

Hello I don't know if this is a good idea.

For Example I have a wiki website that function like Wikipedia to at www.en.website.com and I am trying to create another website that function like wikidata.

www.wikidata.website.com... Which is I created my wiki on a subdomain and I want to create another wiki on another subdomain... What do you think? Should i continue or i should buy different hosting for the wikidata.

Just Like the way there is Wikipedia and simple.wikipedia [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 16:43, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:Doesn't really matter, do whichever meets your needs. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 02:49, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== Problems with a project (links) ==

Hello there,

The problem is that when respondents click on the link, a blank screen appears, it is random, in some cases it happens yes and in others it does not. It is also that the password is incorrect although it is not, refreshing the page loads correctly.

We did the test on another server by exporting the survey and importing it and the same thing happens to us.

We want to know if the problem may be in the design of the form or is it a limesurvey bug and if someone can give us a solution or tip. [[User:Paulo Nuchi|Paulo Nuchi]] ([[User talk:Paulo Nuchi|talk]]) 17:04, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Paulo Nuchi}} We are not Limesurvey. You'll have to contact Limesurvey for Limesurvey questions. See the sidebar. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 20:03, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

== Thumbnail error in page ==

Hello Team ,

I am getting error in Employees:Data_Science page.

'''Error''' creating thumbnail: File with dimensions greater than 12.5 MP.

Thanks [[User:Apatha11|Akki30]] ([[User talk:Apatha11|talk]]) 05:52, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:Please see this- [[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Common_errors_and_symptoms#Error_creating_thumbnail:_File_with_dimensions_greater_than_12.5_MP Thumbnail error]] or you can change the picture size manually. [[User:Tanbirzx|↠Tanbirzx]] [[User talk:Tanbirzx|(✉)]] 08:45, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:[[Manual:$wgMaxImageArea]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:55, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

== JavaScript to search on double click but not when editing page ==

Using 1.31.16. and trying to achieve site search on double click on a word, but without having it triggered when editing a page. What I have so far is triggered even when double clicking while editing a page.

<pre>
document.addEventListener("dblclick", function () {
var w = String(window.getSelection());
if (w){
location.href="https://lsj.gr/index.php?search=" + encodeURIComponent(w)
}
});
</pre> [[User:Spiros71|Spiros71]] ([[User talk:Spiros71|talk]]) 07:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:Try looking at mw.config.get("wgAction") [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:54, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:Yes, that did it thanks! [[User:Spiros71|Spiros71]] ([[User talk:Spiros71|talk]]) 14:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:Is it possible not to have it triggered when a user is logged in? [[User:Spiros71|Spiros71]] ([[User talk:Spiros71|talk]]) 09:19, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:Use <code>mw.user.isAnon()</code>. Also [https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/js/#!/api/mw.user read docs] – [[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 16:15, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks! [[User:Spiros71|Spiros71]] ([[User talk:Spiros71|talk]]) 07:47, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

== translate : regression in the display of items to translate ==
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Hi all, I always use skin Vector and in my preferences, the "police style in modification area" I chosed -> Fixed case (i.e. style Courrier)

When I go to the list of items to translate via =>
[https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Timestamp&action=page&filter=&language=fr Special:Translate]

the text appears in the font of the page (police without serif) as always => ok.
When I click on an item to translate it,
BOTH the english text AND the text of the modification area appear now in fixed case
(in previous versions ONLY the translated text was concerned and the english text remain in police without serif).

Regression:
*font of english text MUST not be changed since it is NOT concerned by the preference option
*font of english text must remain the reference of what is displayed on the web page
*lost of immediate visual performance about the text i translate (the EN origin, the FR target)
*lose of space ont the page - in this case

Nb: skin Vector new or old dont solve the problem.

Any idea ?

[[User:Wladek92|Christian 🇫🇷 FR]] ([[User talk:Wladek92|talk]]) 10:53, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:That is intentional, see [[phab:T291147]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 10:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:If it was intentional :-( ...
:Welcome to the proposed workaround :-)
:"If you absolutely do want a monospace editor and a sans-serif source message, add the following to your common.css." :
:<code> .mw-special-Translate .sourcemessage.mw-editfont-monospace {</code>
:<code> font-family: inherit;</code>
:<code> }</code>
:[[User:Wladek92|Christian 🇫🇷 FR]] ([[User talk:Wladek92|talk]]) 16:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:well done, it works when creating user common.css subpage with the proposed contents - previous aspect has been restored !
:Thanks.
:[[User:Wladek92|Christian 🇫🇷 FR]] ([[User talk:Wladek92|talk]]) 16:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
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== Documentation on the benefits of Elasticsearch in Wikibase and what is missing without? ==

have had a look at each of the documentation links but I am still coming up short on why a user would need to run Elasticsearch as an extra feature, and what is missing without. Is there anything anyone can point to? Or if it's missing from the docs, is it something we can contribute to filling in? [[User:Beet keeper|Beet keeper]] ([[User talk:Beet keeper|talk]]) 12:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== How to enable Search results Box ==

Hello i want to enable the box that appear when ever you search something see screenshot below. https://prnt.sc/1v0tdf1 [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:[[Extension:AdvancedSearch]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 10:07, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

== Suddenly __NOINDEX__ magic word isn't effective ==

MediaWiki 1.36.1

I have checked various webpages which got the <code><nowiki>__NOINDEX__</nowiki></code> magic word in the start of their input and in all of them didn't have <code><meta name="robots" content="noindex"></code> anywhere in the output HTML source (CTRL+U).

In previous checks a few months back all webpages I checked had it and I don't know what happened that suddenly they don't; what's worth checking? [[Special:Contributions/49.230.57.142|49.230.57.142]] ([[User talk:49.230.57.142|talk]]) 13:35, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe [[Manual:$wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl]]? [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 17:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks Jonathan3.
:Firstly, I should apologize for my wrong deduction in the original post; by ''"all webpages I checked had it"'' I actually meant to different webpages that are created by the system and confused that I got the same test result for the aforementioned articles.
:I also never worked with [[Manual:$wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl]] before.
:==Change==
:I have added to '''LocalSettings.php''' the following code line:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
$wgExemptFromUserRobotsControl = [];
</syntaxhighlight>In my understanding it means "Don't restrict any <code><nowiki>__NOINDEX__</nowiki></code> and/or <code><nowiki>__INDEX__</nowiki></code> magic words;".
:==Outcome==
:After the change I have tested several articles to which I have added <code><nowiki>__NOINDEX__</nowiki></code> and all these had <code><meta name="robots" content="noindex,follow"/></code> in their source code.
:I also tested several articles to which I didn't add <code><nowiki>__NOINDEX__</nowiki></code> and all these didn't have <code><meta name="robots" content="noindex,follow"/></code>.
:So it seems to me that now the website works as exptected. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.62.230|49.230.62.230]] ([[User talk:49.230.62.230|talk]]) 19:57, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:Good :-) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:05, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== Main page title not visible in URL when $wgUseFileCache is enabled ==

Hey,

I'm having some kind of problem with displaying the main page title in the URL when <code>$wgUseFileCache</code> is enabled. When I access my domain by simply entering <code>domain.com</code> in the URL I get taken to my wiki and the URL looks like <code>domain.com/wiki/</code>. The main page title is not shown in the URL unless I enter it manually <code>domain.com/wiki/Main_Page_Title</code> Both ways work but I would like to show the main page title at all times, even when <code>$wgUseFileCache</code> is enabled. Is that possible? Could someone please point me in the right direction? [[User:Mukilol2|Mukilol2]] ([[User talk:Mukilol2|talk]]) 16:05, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:Id suggest apache rewrite rules [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:52, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

== Migrate Mediawiki to new server and upgrade it ==
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We are currently running Mediawiki 1.15 on CentOS release 6.10, plan is to migrate to Centos 7 and upgrade at the same time. Can you please advise how I should do it ?

1) Migrate MW 1.15 to new server and then upgrade

Or

2) Install MW 1.35 with latest mysql, php etc.. and migrate

Thanks,

Pritesh [[User:Pritesh j thakkar|Pritesh j thakkar]] ([[User talk:Pritesh j thakkar|talk]]) 17:17, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:I spent ages finding [[Topic:Wgjkdu5fvl1ebue9]] which is pretty much the same question, then realised you'd asked that question too :-) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 17:29, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:I have been trying 1) moving existing version and upgrade 2) building new server with packages required for 1.35 and migrate but not any luck so wanted to make sure what approach I should be taking.
:Appreciate if you could provide some input.
:Thanks, [[User:Pritesh j thakkar|Pritesh j thakkar]] ([[User talk:Pritesh j thakkar|talk]]) 18:39, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:Just download everything new on the new server, transfer across your LocalSettings.php and whatever else like images, and the old database, and run update.php. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:03, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:Though there are lots of pages about this so it's best to follow them rather than only what I've written above :-) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:03, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:Definitely try number 2. What does "not any luck" mean? [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:04, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:I agree, 2 will be easier most likely [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:51, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you {{FlowMention|Jonathan3}} {{FlowMention|Bawolff}}
:I managed to get it fixed, it was all working on a new mediawiki server. I am trying to refresh mysql db again since there are some new pages created by users that I would like to refresh db with. I tried to do that and now I am seeing following error :
:'''mysqldump -u <user> -p<pass>wikidb -c --skip-lock-tables > wikidb.sql'''
:'''gunzip -c wikidb.sql.gz | sudo mysql -C -u <user>-p wikidb'''
:'''php update.php'''
:Received following error :Original exception: [YWmRkgNQLmsYaojzRST7gQAAAAI] [no req] Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError from line 1699 of /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php: A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your application's database schema updater after upgrading?
:So tried running php migrateComments.php
:'''php migrateComments.php'''
:...comments already migrated.
:Can you please advise how I can fix following error ?
:MediaWiki internal error.
:Original exception: [YWmVIxnDqojwmKP6L2q8EgAAAAU] [no req] Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError from line 1699 of /var/www/html/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php: A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your application's database schema updater after upgrading?
:'''Error 1054: Unknown column 'ct_tag_id' in 'on clause' (localhost)'''
:Function: IndexPager::buildQueryInfo (NewPagesPager)
:Query: SELECT rc_id,rc_timestamp,rc_namespace,rc_title,rc_minor,rc_bot,rc_new,rc_cur_id,rc_this_oldid,rc_last_oldid,rc_type,rc_source,rc_patrolled,rc_ip,rc_old_len,rc_new_len,rc_deleted,rc_logid,rc_log_type,rc_log_action,rc_params,comment_rc_comment.comment_text AS `rc_comment_text`,comment_rc_comment.comment_data AS `rc_comment_data`,comment_rc_comment.comment_id AS `rc_comment_cid`,actor_rc_user.actor_user AS `rc_user`,actor_rc_user.actor_name AS `rc_user_text`,rc_actor,page_len AS `length`,page_latest AS `rev_id`,page_namespace,page_title,page_content_model,(SELECT GROUP_CONCAT(ctd_name SEPARATOR ',') FROM `change_tag` JOIN `change_tag_def` ON ((ct_tag_id=ctd_id)) WHERE ct_rc_id=rc_id ) AS `ts_tags` FROM `recentchanges` JOIN `comment` `comment_rc_comment` ON ((comment_rc_comment.comment_id = rc_comment_id)) JOIN `actor` `actor_rc_user` ON ((actor_rc_user.actor_id = rc_actor)) JOIN `page` ON ((page_id=rc_cur_id)) WHERE rc_new = 1 AND (rc_namespace = 0) AND page_is_redirect = 0 ORDER BY rc_timestamp DESC LIMIT 51
:Thanks,
:Pritesh [[User:Pritesh j thakkar|Pritesh j thakkar]] ([[User talk:Pritesh j thakkar|talk]]) 14:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:I haven't a clue. In your situation I'd just start from scratch again, seeing as it worked to begin with.
:When I used mysqldump and mysql I didn't use any extra parameters beyond username, password and database name.
:Maybe you need to empty the database before using mysql again? [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:15, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:I was able to fix it by dropping/refreshing database. Here is what I did.
:mysql -u root -p
:drop database wikidb;
:show databases;
:CREATE DATABASE wikidb;
:GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON wikidb.* TO '<USER>'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '<PASSWORD>' WITH GRANT OPTION;
:FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
:exit;
:gunzip -c wikidb.sql.gz | sudo mysql -C -u <USER> -p wikidb
:php update.php
:Thank you for help,
:Pritesh [[User:Pritesh j thakkar|Pritesh j thakkar]] ([[User talk:Pritesh j thakkar|talk]]) 16:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
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== ERROR: The certificate of ‘releases.wikimedia.org’ has expired. ==

Just tried to download a new version using <code>wget https://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.36/mediawiki-1.36.2.tar.gz</code> and get error
<code>
--2021-10-06 13:21:02-- https://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki//mediawiki-..tar.gz
Resolving releases.wikimedia.org (releases.wikimedia.org)... 2620:0:861:ed1a::1, 208.80.154.224
Connecting to releases.wikimedia.org (releases.wikimedia.org)|2620:0:861:ed1a::1|:443... connected.
ERROR: The certificate of ‘releases.wikimedia.org’ is not trusted.
ERROR: The certificate of ‘releases.wikimedia.org’ has expired.
</code> [[User:Tenbergen|Tenbergen]] ([[User talk:Tenbergen|talk]]) 20:24, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:Your wget (or something that it relies on) is outdated. Wikimedia uses letsencrypt certificates and the root for those kinds of certificates recently expired. Some OSes and some software on those OSes that have not been updated in the last half year might not be able to connect for that reason. See also [[meta:HTTPS/2021_Let%27s_Encrypt_root_expiry|2021 Let's Encrypt root expiry]] —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 22:10, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== creating Bot to import stuff from wikipedia ==

Hello i am trying to install Templates and module from Wikipedia, Is there a way to create a bot that will imports all the modules and templates from Wikipedia to my website. [[User:Web4funs|Web4funs]] ([[User talk:Web4funs|talk]]) 21:39, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

== Importing with Special:import ==

Hello I dont know why if i try to import xml file above 250kb I always get

=403=

==Forbidden==
Access to this resource on the server is denied! [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 11:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:Check if you have a WAF or apache mod_security installed.
:Check also for limitrequestbody directive in your apache config.
:Your apache error log might have more info. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 12:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:where do i see apache.. cause i cant find any file .....I am on hosting [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 17:43, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:That depends on your host and operating system, so it's a question for your hosting. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 20:54, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

== Error Message on webpage ==
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Hi everyone.

Whenever I go on my wiki or make any changes to my wiki pages i get redirected and receive a message that suddenly started today:

=Bad title=
The requested page title is too long. It must be no longer than 255 bytes in UTF-8 encoding.

Can anyone explain to me what this means and how i can resolve it?

TIA [[User:Thepainking|Thepainking]] ([[User talk:Thepainking|talk]]) 14:49, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:Error is saying pagd title is too long.
:What is the name of the page you are editing.
:Could be some issue with rewrite rules or proxy servers if you have that set up. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:encyclopediaoftouchbodysenseandpain.com
:I have noticed that when you type this in the URL address bar it gets repeated several times and becomes unnecessarily lengthy. I am not sure why...???? [[User:Thepainking|Thepainking]] ([[User talk:Thepainking|talk]]) 14:36, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:Looks like you have a rewrite rule in place that adds /Main_Page at the start of the URL everytime [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 17:07, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:what does that actually mean, "rewrite rule"?
:Also i added that to the URL to try and solve the problem but it didnt work. im going to change it back to its original [[User:Thepainking|Thepainking]] ([[User talk:Thepainking|talk]]) 17:38, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:i figured it out and it has been fixed. thanks everyone for their assistance! [[User:Thepainking|Thepainking]] ([[User talk:Thepainking|talk]]) 18:30, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
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== Wanted Pages ghost entries ==

In our Wiki, there are several instances in the Wanted Pages section where it claims a group of articles link back to a deleted article, despite all links being purged from said pages.

Example would be that there was once a page named "The Fairy's Wing". Mediawiki claims that there is a hyperlink on 21 pages, but none of them even have those three words.

Currently on MediaWiki version 1.35.1 [[User:Suzzie2|Suzzie2]] ([[User talk:Suzzie2|talk]]) 18:40, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:Example [https://wiki.massivecraft.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/The_Fairy%E2%80%99s_Wing here]. [[User:Suzzie2|Suzzie2]] ([[User talk:Suzzie2|talk]]) 18:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hmm. Looks like a job didnt get executed at one point.
:some options:
:*You could try making a null edit (where you add a newline to end of page) to all pages alleged to link there
:*you can use [[Api:Purge]] to purge cache via api (i just tested that with Greenface article and it worked). Make sure linkupdates option is on
:*you can run [[manual:refreshLinks.php|refreshLinks.php]] (generally slow if you have lots of articles) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:53, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hey, thank you for your response! Can you show me what you ran for Greenface? I'm trying to understand what to enter where, and the example for Api:Purge that MediaWiki provides is flying straight over my head. [[User:Suzzie2|Suzzie2]] ([[User talk:Suzzie2|talk]]) 22:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:I used https://wiki.massivecraft.com/Special:ApiSandbox#action=purge&format=json&forcelinkupdate=1&titles=Greenface
:To make the request.
:Just making dummy edits to pages is probably the easiest option. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 00:32, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
::Thank you for this! I have one more question for you- I'm very unfamiliar when using the API. When I enter the titles into the bar and hit submit request, I get an error: error":{"code":"mustbeposted","info":"The \"purge\" module requires a POST request.
::At the risk of sounding dumb, what is a POST request? [[User:Suzzie2|Suzzie2]] ([[User talk:Suzzie2|talk]]) 14:09, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
::Its kind of like when you submit a form vs when you just click on a link or go to a url (which is called a GET request). POST requests have extra data in them that's not included in the url [note: i oversimplified this a bit, there are a bunch of other technical details]. In web browsers they are often used for things that take some action (where GET is more read only or "idempotent")
::When using Special:ApiSandbox if you press the blue "make request" button in the top right, instead of copying the url, it will submit the request as a POST request. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 06:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

== Juxtaposing two magic words ==

In the start of a webpage I have the following pattern:<pre>
__NOINDEX__
__NOTOC__
Content
Content
Content
Content
Content
</pre>This causes a line break.

How should juxtapose the two magic words in one line correctly?

Thanks, [[Special:Contributions/49.230.57.177|49.230.57.177]] ([[User talk:49.230.57.177|talk]]) 02:40, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:Put them on the same line [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:Bawolff, like this (?)<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
__NOINDEX____NOTOC__
</syntaxhighlight>If it's the only option I will do it but is it?
:It's a bit "messy". [[Special:Contributions/49.230.63.69|49.230.63.69]] ([[User talk:49.230.63.69|talk]]) 07:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:I put that stuff at the bottom of the page, on separate lines. Maybe it creates a line return but I've never noticed it there [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 07:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

== MediaWiki registration spam despite anti-spam measures ==
{{Archive top|result=Even if I found a fix: To many SPAM users and SPAM pages (tens of thousands). I've decided to export all usable pages, create a new wiki and import them again.|status=resolved}}

Despite removing user registration I'm getting registration spam (users like "AJEShasta742286"). I followed the recommendations on how to secure my mediawiki from abuse and spam after a large-ish spam attack, so this comes unexpected. I believe there's a mechanism I still don't understand; There should be no possibility for a normal user to register right now and I don't see possibility any in my wiki as there is no "register" in the special pages or anywhere else in the wiki, the only thing someone should be able to do is to request an account because I installed the addon ''[[Extension:ConfirmAccount|Confirm User Accounts]].''

Any help would be highly appreciated.

I'm using mediawiki 1.361 and PHP 7.4.21 (fpm-fcgi) with the following LocalSettings.php:

http://paste.debian.net/plain/1214704 [[User:Hórdómr|Hórdómr]] ([[User talk:Hórdómr|talk]]) 07:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:I used ConfirmAccount for a while too, but it was a pain in the neck as you couldn't delete the spam registrations all at once.
:I was using ConfirmEdit which seemed absolutely useless until I moved to QuestyCaptcha. That seems to work! [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 10:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:Sorry for not knowing the answer to your actual question :-)
:What do you see when you go to Special:UserLogin or Special:CreateAccount? [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 10:27, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:Good hunch! Though it's only showing ''"Create another account"'' on the bottom when logged in as sysop. As an anonymous user ''"Create another account"'' isn't there as expected from the settings in ''LocalSettings.php''.
:Anonymous users trying to use ''Special:CreateAccount'' (which isn't visible in ''Special pages'') are redirected to ''Special:RequestAccount'', this is also what I expect. [[User:Hórdómr|Hórdómr]] ([[User talk:Hórdómr|talk]]) 10:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
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== Importing a page with templates doesn't work properly ==

In a staging environment I've imported this page from Wikipedia.it, but I get many errors. I've been playing with template errors since a few days, but I can't clearly understand how MediaWiki is thought to work. Can you help me to understand where to to start to look for fixing disambiguation error?

My blog is wordpress-251650-782015.cloudwaysapps.com/wiki/Cheeta [[User:Hyperreview|Hyperreview]] ([[User talk:Hyperreview|talk]]) 12:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:Looks like you haven't installed/enabled the [[Extension:ParserFunctions]] [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 17:05, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

== What is the use of the category "Dual template Parameters" ? ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

I noticed many pages with the category "Dual template Parameters" (actually 'dubbele sjabloonparameters')
This seems to be related to the use of a so called infobox is there any use or is it a bug in some template? [[Special:Contributions/83.81.245.170|83.81.245.170]] ([[User talk:83.81.245.170|talk]]) 13:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:This happens when one of the templates uses the same parameter name twice. This is an error, because only the last parameter with the same name will be used, meaning your editors may get confused as to why the parameter they're editing doesn't change in the template. [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 17:08, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you, will try to find out what parameter name is used twice .
:Next a real bug, I think, I used the __HIDDENCAT__ to prevent it from showing up, still after each source edit it shows up once.
:Hmm, makes some sense as, if it is an error report, the error itself happens after each edit. [[Special:Contributions/83.81.245.170|83.81.245.170]] ([[User talk:83.81.245.170|talk]]) 21:06, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:... I used __ HIDDEN CAT __ to prevent ...
:without spaces
:I wont say I give up, but I removed about any double value I found in:
:< avatar.fandom.com/nl/wiki/Sjabloon:Stad_vuur_infobox >
:What did I miss out ? [[Special:Contributions/83.81.245.170|83.81.245.170]] ([[User talk:83.81.245.170|talk]]) 11:13, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:Was an ancient piece of code
:Sorry to bother [[Special:Contributions/83.81.245.170|83.81.245.170]] ([[User talk:83.81.245.170|talk]]) 14:37, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
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== installing ==

i just downloaded the file and now... what? it may seem stupid but: how can i use the wiki for my company? [[Special:Contributions/79.210.43.125|79.210.43.125]] ([[User talk:79.210.43.125|talk]]) 14:04, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:Please see [[Manual:Installing MediaWiki|Manual:Installing]] [[User:Fokebox|Fokebox]] ([[User talk:Fokebox|talk]]) 14:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:You need a web host. (E.g. dreamhost, aws, rackspace,etc) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 00:29, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:And buy a domain name for your wiki [[User:Fokebox|Fokebox]] ([[User talk:Fokebox|talk]]) 05:10, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

== Add page with JSON content model to category ==

Hello! How would a page with content model JSON be added to a category? Thanks! [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 18:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:This is not supported currently. – [[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 16:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]]: Ah; thank you. [[User:Tol|Tol]] ([[User talk:Tol|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tol|contribs]]) @ 17:55, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

== Settings, there are NO boxes to check for several areas, and I do NOT want Surname in Uppercase ==
{{Archive top|result=wrong website|status=resolved}}

Under General Settings, these help pages show a box to be checked for Surname Uppercase, Enable FamilySearch and Problem Alerts. But on my computer, there are NO boxes showing at all in these areas. The program is not allowing me to uncheck the unseen box for Surname Uppercase / Display surnames uppercase. I do not like surnames in uppercase and have never used that feature. In RootsMagic ver 7, it was turned off. I do not know what is wrong, I can not get it to change to NORMAL, showing of surnames; ie: Kester vs the uppercase of KESTER. It did not transfer from my ver 7 settings, and as I already pointed out there are NO boxes showing as are shown in your examples, so there is no box to UN-check to turn this feature off. Can this please be either corrected in a program update, or can someone please advise how to disable this feature, Please! little ps: This MediaWiki is not currently letting me log in with my old user name and password, nor is it letting me open a new account, so it is showing me that it will add this topic anonymously. [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:C803:1E20:244E:9EF2:5CE6:480D|2601:647:C803:1E20:244E:9EF2:5CE6:480D]] ([[User talk:2601:647:C803:1E20:244E:9EF2:5CE6:480D|talk]]) 00:00, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:I think you're in the wrong place. I don't know which website you are talking about but it doesn't sound like mediawiki. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 00:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:What is "RootsMagic" and why do you think that we know about that? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 10:23, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
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== URl short ==

Hello how can i make my website look like this https://en.website.org/w/index.php?search= Mine looks like this https://en.website.org/index.php?search=s Where do i add the /w/ [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 11:20, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:See [[Manual:Short URL#Moving a wiki from /wiki to /w]] – [[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 16:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

== Heroku Hosting Error ==

Hi, I'm having trouble hosting mediawiki on heroku using the postgres extension. Here's what I've done so far:

*Set up the project locally
*Commit to a Github Repository
*Create a new project in Heroku
*Link to Github Repository
*Add the Postgres add-on in Heroku
*Run composer update
*Add the Heroku postgres credentials to LocalSettings.php
*Run composer update in terminal
*Push local postgres stuff to the heroku one using heroku pg:push

When I visit the website, it displays:

Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError: A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your application's database schema updater after upgrading?

Error 42P01: ERROR: relation "mediawiki.l10n_cache" does not exist

LINE 1: SELECT /* LCStoreDB::get */ lc_value FROM "mediawiki"."l1...

^

Function: LCStoreDB::get

Query: SELECT lc_value FROM "mediawiki"."l10n_cache" WHERE lc_lang = 'en' AND lc_key = 'deps' LIMIT 1

Backtrace:

from /app/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1719)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /app/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1703): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->getQueryException()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /app/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1678): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->getQueryExceptionAndLog()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /app/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1244): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->reportQueryError()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /app/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1929): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->query()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /app/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1768): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->select()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /app/includes/libs/rdbms/database/DBConnRef.php(68): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->selectField()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /app/includes/libs/rdbms/database/DBConnRef.php(300): Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBConnRef->__call()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /app/includes/cache/localisation/LCStoreDB.php(64): Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBConnRef->selectField()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /app/includes/cache/localisation/LocalisationCache.php(448): LCStoreDB->get()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /app/includes/cache/localisation/LocalisationCache.php(494): LocalisationCache->isExpired()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /app/includes/cache/localisation/LocalisationCache.php(413): LocalisationCache->initLanguage()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /app/includes/cache/localisation/LocalisationCache.php(332): LocalisationCache->loadSubitem()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /app/languages/Language.php(2652): LocalisationCache->getSubitem()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /app/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1052): Language->getMessage()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>14 /app/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1010): MessageCache->getMessageForLang()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>15 /app/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(952): MessageCache->getMessageFromFallbackChain()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>16 /app/includes/language/Message.php(1377): MessageCache->get()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>17 /app/includes/language/Message.php(895): Message->fetchMessage()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>18 /app/includes/language/Message.php(987): Message->format()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>19 /app/includes/title/MalformedTitleException.php(51): Message->text()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>20 /app/includes/title/MediaWikiTitleCodec.php(376): MalformedTitleException->__construct()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>21 /app/includes/Title.php(3359): MediaWikiTitleCodec->splitTitleString()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>22 /app/includes/Title.php(463): Title->secureAndSplit()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>23 /app/includes/MediaWiki.php(83): Title::newFromURL()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>24 /app/includes/MediaWiki.php(156): MediaWiki->parseTitle()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>25 /app/includes/MediaWiki.php(874): MediaWiki->getTitle()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>26 /app/includes/MediaWiki.php(546): MediaWiki->main()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>27 /app/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>28 /app/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>29 {main}

I've tried running the update script multiple times already. Any help would be greatly appreciated! [[User:Honeycombi98|Honeycombi98]] ([[User talk:Honeycombi98|talk]]) 13:25, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:Did you run the mediawiki installer to begin with? Are you sure database/schema name are correct? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 06:27, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:I'm not sure which mediawiki installer your referring to, but I followed the interactive prompt to get everything to work locally. I'm also sure that my LocalSettings.php has the correct heroku database information. [[User:Honeycombi98|Honeycombi98]] ([[User talk:Honeycombi98|talk]]) 19:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

== warning stat failed for WikibaseRepo.FederatedProperties.entitytypes.php ==

Turning on error reporting in my wiki, I am seeing this warning:<syntaxhighlight lang="php">
Warning: filesize(): stat failed for /var/www/vhosts/wiki_1_36/w/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes../../WikibaseRepo.FederatedProperties.entitytypes.php in /var/www/vhosts/wiki_1_36/w/includes/debug/MWDebug.php on line 593
</syntaxhighlight>I can see that this file exists in '''/var/www/vhosts/wiki_1_36/w/extensions/Wikibase/repo''', which is one level up not two levels up. Is there an include somewhere trying to go two levels up? It would seem so from this '''filesize()''' call.

I am on MediaWiki 1.36.2. [[User:Lwangaman|Lwangaman]] ([[User talk:Lwangaman|talk]]) 15:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:actually it's not just an issue of going two levels up, I believe there's an issue of a missing "/" character, or better yet an extra ".." after "repo/includes". Without that extra ".." the stat should work correctly. Still not sure what is calling filesize() here. [[User:Lwangaman|Lwangaman]] ([[User talk:Lwangaman|talk]]) 16:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:Can you include your LocalSettings.php (minus passwords and secret keys) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 06:25, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:<syntaxhighlight lang="php" lines="">
<?php
# This file was automatically generated by the MediaWiki 1.34.2
# installer. If you make manual changes, please keep track in case you
# need to recreate them later.
#
# See includes/DefaultSettings.php for all configurable settings
# and their default values, but don't forget to make changes in _this_
# file, not there.
#
# Further documentation for configuration settings may be found at:
# https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings
# Protect against web entry
if ( !defined( 'MEDIAWIKI' ) ) {
exit;
}
//ini_set("memory_limit","1024M");
//ini_set("opcache.memory_consumption", "256M");
error_reporting(E_ALL);
ini_set("display_errors", 1);
$wgShowExceptionDetails = true;
$wgShowDBErrorBacktrace = false;
$wgShowSQLErrors = true;
$wgResourceLoaderDebug = false;
//$wgDebugToolbar = true;
//$wgDevelopmentWarnings = true;
//$wgShowDebug = true;
$wgRunJobsAsync = true;
$wgJobRunRate = 0.5; //most jobs will be handled by the mw-jobqueue service created at /etc/systemd, a minimal part we will allow on opening of pages
$wgCookieExpiration = 86400; //make the login cookie last at least a day
$wgExtendedLoginCookieExpiration = null;
$validWikiIDs = ["en","it","es","fr","de","pt"];
if ( defined( 'MW_DB' ) ) {
// Set $wikiId from the defined constant 'MW_DB' that is set by maintenance scripts.
$wikiId = MW_DB;
$wgServer = "https://{$wikiId}.seminaverbi.bibleget.io";
} elseif (isset($_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'])) {
$wikiId = explode(".",$_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'])[0];
if(in_array($wikiId,$validWikiIDs)){
$wgServer = "https://{$wikiId}.seminaverbi.bibleget.io";
} else {
die( $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] . ' is not a valid language wiki. The currently available language wikis are: ' . PHP_EOL . implode(".seminaverbi.bibleget.io, \n",$validWikiIDs) . '.seminaverbi.bibleget.io' );
}
} else {
// Fail gracefully if no value was set to the $wikiId variable, i.e. if no wiki was determined
die( 'It was not possible to determine the wiki ID.' );
}
## Database settings
$wgDBtype = "mysql";
$wgDBserver = "localhost";
$wgDBname = "seminaverbi_" . $wikiId;
$wgDBuser = "##########";
$wgDBpassword = "##########";
$wgSharedDB = "seminaverbi"; //central database for user accounts
$wgSharedTables = [ 'user', 'objectcache' ]; // Note that 'user_properties' is not included.
# MySQL specific settings
$wgDBprefix = "";
# MySQL table options to use during installation or update
$wgDBTableOptions = "ENGINE=InnoDB, DEFAULT CHARSET=binary";
switch ($wikiId) {
case "en":
$wgSitename = "Seeds of the Word";
$wgLanguageCode = 'en';
$wgAmericanDates = true;
break;
case "it":
$wgSitename = "Semi del Verbo";
$wgLanguageCode = 'it';
break;
case "es":
$wgSitename = "Semillas de la Palabra";
$wgLanguageCode = 'es';
break;
case "fr":
$wgSitename = "Graines de la Parole";
$wgLanguageCode = 'fr';
break;
case "de":
$wgSitename = "Die Samen von das Wort";
$wgLanguageCode = 'de';
break;
case "pt":
$wgSitename = "Sementes da Palavra";
$wgLanguageCode = 'pt';
break;
}
## Uncomment this to disable output compression
# $wgDisableOutputCompression = true;
$wgMetaNamespace = "Semina_Verbi";
## The URL base path to the directory containing the wiki;
## defaults for all runtime URL paths are based off of this.
## For more information on customizing the URLs
## (like /w/index.php/Page_title to /wiki/Page_title) please see:
## https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
$wgScriptPath = "/w";
$wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1";
$wgUsePathInfo = true;
## The URL path to static resources (images, scripts, etc.)
$wgResourceBasePath = $wgScriptPath;
$wgCacheDirectory = "$IP/cache/$wgDBname";
$wgUploadDirectory = "$IP/images";
$wgUploadPath = "$wgResourceBasePath/images";
$wgSharedUploadPath = "https://en.seminaverbi.bibleget.io/w/images";
$wgSharedUploadDirectory = "$IP/images";
$wgSharedUploadDBname = "seminaverbi_en";
$wgUseSharedUploads = true;
$wgCrossSiteAJAXdomains = [
'*.wikipedia.org',
'*.seminaverbi.bibleget.io'
];
## The URL path to the logo. Make sure you change this from the default,
## or else you'll overwrite your logo when you upgrade!
$wgLogos = [
'1x' => "$wgServer/assets/holy-bible-xxl_SeminaVerbi_135.png"
];
$wgFavicon = "$wgServer/assets/favicon_32.png";
## UPO means: this is also a user preference option
$wgEnableEmail = true;
$wgEnableUserEmail = true; # UPO
$wgEmergencyContact = "admin@bibleget.io";
$wgPasswordSender = "admin@bibleget.io";
$wgEnotifUserTalk = true; # UPO
$wgEnotifWatchlist = true; # UPO
$wgEmailAuthentication = true;
$wgAllowUserJs = true;
$wgObjectCaches['redis'] = [
'class' => 'RedisBagOStuff',
//'servers' => [ '127.0.0.1:6379' ],
'servers' => [ '/run/redis/redis-server.sock' ]
// 'connectTimeout' => 1,
// 'persistent' => false,
// 'password' => 'secret',
// 'automaticFailOver' => true,
];
## Shared memory settings
$wgMainCacheType = 'redis';
//$wgMemCachedServers = [];
$wgParserCacheType = 'redis';
$wgMessageCacheType = 'redis';
$wgLanguageConverterCacheType = 'redis';
# Changing this will log out all existing sessions.
$wgAuthenticationTokenVersion = "1";
$wgSessionCacheType = 'redis';
$wgJobTypeConf['default'] = [
'class' => 'JobQueueRedis',
//'redisServer' => '127.0.0.1:6379',
'redisServer' => '/run/redis/redis-server.sock',
'redisConfig' => [],
'claimTTL' => 3600,
'daemonized' => true
];

## To enable image uploads, make sure the 'images' directory
## is writable, then set this to true:
$wgEnableUploads = true;
$wgUseImageMagick = true;
$wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/local/bin/convert";
# InstantCommons allows wiki to use images from https://commons.wikimedia.org
$wgUseInstantCommons = true;
# and this should allow to use images from wikipedia...
$wgForeignFileRepos[] = [
'class' => 'ForeignAPIRepo',
'name' => 'enwiki',
'apibase' => 'https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php',
'hashLevels' => 2,
'fetchDescription' => true,
'descriptionCacheExpiry' => 43200,
'apiThumbCacheExpiry' => 86400,
];
$wgForeignFileRepos[] = [
'class' => 'ForeignAPIRepo',
'name' => 'itwiki',
'apibase' => 'https://it.wikipedia.org/w/api.php',
'hashLevels' => 2,
'fetchDescription' => true,
'descriptionCacheExpiry' => 43200,
'apiThumbCacheExpiry' => 86400,
];
# Periodically send a pingback to https://www.mediawiki.org/ with basic data
# about this MediaWiki instance. The Wikimedia Foundation shares this data
# with MediaWiki developers to help guide future development efforts.
$wgPingback = true;
## If you use ImageMagick (or any other shell command) on a
## Linux server, this will need to be set to the name of an
## available UTF-8 locale
$wgShellLocale = "C.UTF-8";
## Set $wgCacheDirectory to a writable directory on the web server
## to make your wiki go slightly faster. The directory should not
## be publicly accessible from the web.
#$wgCacheDirectory = "$IP/cache";
$wgSecretKey = "####################################################";
# Site upgrade key. Must be set to a string (default provided) to turn on the
# web installer while LocalSettings.php is in place
$wgUpgradeKey = "##########";
## For attaching licensing metadata to pages, and displaying an
## appropriate copyright notice / icon. GNU Free Documentation
## License and Creative Commons licenses are supported so far.
$wgRightsPage = ""; # Set to the title of a wiki page that describes your license/copyright
$wgRightsUrl = "https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/";
$wgRightsText = "Creative Commons Attribution";
$wgRightsIcon = "$wgResourceBasePath/resources/assets/licenses/cc-by.png";
# Path to the GNU diff3 utility. Used for conflict resolution.
$wgDiff3 = "/usr/bin/diff3";
# The following permissions were set based on your choice in the installer
$wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;
$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
$wgEnableDnsBlacklist = true;
$wgDnsBlacklistUrls = array( 'xbl.spamhaus.org.', 'dnsbl.tornevall.org.', 'spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net.', 'rbl.dnsbl.im.', 'noptr.spamrats.com.', 'all.s5h.net.', 'z.mailspike.net.' );
$wgDnsBlacklistUrls['edit'] = true;
$wgDnsBlacklistUrls['create'] = true;
$wgDnsBlacklistUrls['createtalk'] = true;
$wgDnsBlacklistUrls['addurl'] = true;
$wgDnsBlacklistUrls['createaccount'] = true;
$wgRateLimits['edit']['newbie'] = [ 4, 60 ];
$wgGroupPermissions['reupload']['*'] = false;
$wgEmailConfirmToEdit = true;
$wgShowIPinHeader = false;
# Enabled extensions. Most of the extensions are enabled by adding
# wfLoadExtensions('ExtensionName');
# to LocalSettings.php. Check specific extension documentation for more details.
# The following extensions were automatically enabled:
wfLoadExtension( 'CategoryTree' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Cite' );
wfLoadExtension( 'CiteThisPage' );
wfLoadExtension( 'CodeEditor' );
wfLoadExtension( 'ConfirmEdit' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Gadgets' );
wfLoadExtension( 'ImageMap' );
wfLoadExtension( 'InputBox' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Interwiki' );
wfLoadExtension( 'LocalisationUpdate' );
wfLoadExtension( 'MultimediaViewer' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Nuke' );
wfLoadExtension( 'OATHAuth' );
wfLoadExtension( 'PageImages' );
wfLoadExtension( 'ParserFunctions' );
wfLoadExtension( 'PdfHandler' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Poem' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Renameuser' );
wfLoadExtension( 'ReplaceText' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Scribunto' );
wfLoadExtension( 'SpamBlacklist' );
$wgBlacklistSettings = [
'spam' => [
'files' => [
"https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spam_blacklist&action=raw&sb_ver=1",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist&action=raw&sb_ver=1"
],
],
];
wfLoadExtension( 'SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi' );
//wfLoadExtension( 'SyntaxHighlightPages' );
wfLoadExtension( 'TextExtracts' );
wfLoadExtension( 'TitleBlacklist' );
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['tboverride'] = false;
$wgTitleBlacklistSources = [
[
'type' => 'url',
'src' => 'https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Title_blacklist&action=raw'
]
];
wfLoadExtension( 'WikiEditor' );
# End of automatically generated settings.
# Add more configuration options below.
//$wgScribuntoUseGeSHi = true;
//$wgScribuntoUseCodeEditor = true;
//$wgSyntaxHighlightPagesSuffixes = ['txt', 'html', 'css', 'xml', 'js', 'php'];
$wgPygmentizePath = '/usr/local/bin/pygmentize';
//$wgPygmentizePath = '/var/www/vhosts/bibleget.io/seminaverbi_1_36/w/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/pygments/pygmentize';
# The following are default values, no need to set them
#$wgInterwikiMagic = true;
#$wgHideInterlanguageLinks = false;
$wgInterwikiCentralDB = 'seminaverbi_en';
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['interwiki'] = true;
wfLoadExtension( 'StopForumSpam' );
$wgSFSIPListLocation = '/var/www/vhosts/bibleget.io/seminaverbi.bibleget.io/w/stopspam/listed_ip_30_ipv46_all.txt';
wfLoadExtension( 'AbuseFilter' );
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['abusefilter-modify'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['*']['abusefilter-log-detail'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['*']['abusefilter-view'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['*']['abusefilter-log'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['abusefilter-privatedetails'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['abusefilter-modify-restricted'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['abusefilter-revert'] = true;
wfLoadExtension( 'AntiSpoof' );
$wgSharedTables[] = 'spoofuser';
wfLoadExtension( 'TorBlock' );
$wgGroupPermissions['user']['torunblocked'] = false;
$wgTorLoadNodes = false; //run a cron job on loadExitNodes.php
$wgTorAllowedActions = [ 'read' ];
wfLoadExtension( 'CheckUser' );
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['checkuser'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['checkuser-log'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['investigate'] = true;
wfLoadExtension( 'GeoData' );
wfLoadExtension( 'MobileFrontend' );
$wgMFAutodetectMobileView = true;
$wgMFDefaultSkinClass = 'SkinMinerva';
$wgMFNearby = true;
# Enabled skins.
# The following skins were automatically enabled:
wfLoadSkin( 'MinervaNeue' );
wfLoadSkin( 'MonoBook' );
wfLoadSkin( 'Timeless' );
wfLoadSkin( 'Vector' );
## Default skin: you can change the default skin. Use the internal symbolic
## names, ie 'vector', 'monobook':
$wgDefaultSkin = "vector";
wfLoadExtension( 'Elastica' );
wfLoadExtension( 'CirrusSearch' );
$wgSearchType = 'CirrusSearch';
$wgCirrusSearchUseCompletionSuggester = 'yes';
$wgCirrusSearchCompletionSettings = 'fuzzy-subphrases';
//$wgCirrusSearchPhraseSuggestProfiles = 'default';
$wgCirrusSearchCompletionSuggesterSubphrases = [
'build' => true,
'use' => true,
'type' => 'anywords',
'limit' => 10,
];
$wgCirrusSearchCompletionSuggesterUseDefaultSort = true;
$wgDebugLogGroups['CirrusSearch'] = "$IP/extensions/CirrusSearch/error.log";
//$wgDebugLogGroups['resourceloader'] = "$IP/debug-resourceloader-{$wgDBname}.log";
//$wgDebugLogFile = "$IP/debug-{$wgDBname}.log";
//$wgDisableSearchUpdate = true;
wfLoadExtension( 'Echo' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Babel' );
wfLoadExtension( 'cldr' );
wfLoadExtension( 'CleanChanges' );
$wgCCTrailerFilter = true;
$wgCCUserFilter = false;
$wgDefaultUserOptions['usenewrc'] = 1;
wfLoadExtension( 'LocalisationUpdate' );
$wgLocalisationUpdateDirectory = "$IP/cache";
wfLoadExtension( 'Translate' );
$wgGroupPermissions['user']['translate'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['user']['translate-messagereview'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['user']['translate-groupreview'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['user']['translate-import'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['pagetranslation'] = true;
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['translate-manage'] = true;
$wgTranslateDocumentationLanguageCode = 'qqq';
$wgExtraLanguageNames['qqq'] = 'Message documentation'; # No linguistic content. Used for documenting messages
wfLoadExtension( 'UniversalLanguageSelector' );
wfLoadExtension( 'TemplateStyles' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Popups' );
wfLoadExtension( 'JsonConfig' );
if ( !isset( $wgJsonConfigModels ) ) {
$wgJsonConfigModels = [];
}
if ( !isset( $wgJsonConfigs ) ) {
$wgJsonConfigs = [];
}
$wgJsonConfigEnableLuaSupport = true;
// https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JsonConfig#Configuration
$wgJsonConfigModels['Tabular.JsonConfig'] = 'JsonConfig\JCTabularContent';
$wgJsonConfigs['Tabular.JsonConfig'] = [
'namespace' => 486,
'nsName' => 'Data',
// page name must end in ".tab", and contain at least one symbol
'pattern' => '/.\.tab$/',
'license' => 'CC0-1.0',
'isLocal' => false,
];
$wgJsonConfigModels['Map.JsonConfig'] = 'JsonConfig\JCMapDataContent';
$wgJsonConfigs['Map.JsonConfig'] = [
'namespace' => 486,
'nsName' => 'Data',
// page name must end in ".map", and contain at least one symbol
'pattern' => '/.\.map$/',
'license' => 'CC0-1.0',
'isLocal' => false,
];
// Enable Tabular data namespace on Commons - T148745
// Enable Map (GeoJSON) data namespace on Commons - T149548
// TODO: Consider whether this hard-coding to Commons is appropriate
if ( $wgDBname === 'commonswiki' ) {
// Ensure we have a stable cross-wiki title resolution
// See JCSingleton::parseTitle()
$wgJsonConfigInterwikiPrefix = "meta";
$wgJsonConfigs['Tabular.JsonConfig']['store'] = true;
$wgJsonConfigs['Map.JsonConfig']['store'] = true;
} else {
$wgJsonConfigInterwikiPrefix = "commons";
$wgJsonConfigs['Tabular.JsonConfig']['remote'] = [
'url' => 'https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php'
];
$wgJsonConfigs['Map.JsonConfig']['remote'] = [
'url' => 'https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php'
];
}
wfLoadExtension( 'TemplateData' );
$wgTemplateDataUseGUI = true;
wfLoadExtension( 'TimedMediaHandler' );
$wgFFmpegLocation = '/usr/bin/ffmpeg'; // Most common ffmpeg path on Linux
// The minimum size for an embed video player ( smaller than this size uses a pop-up player )
$wgMinimumVideoPlayerSize = 200;
// If transcoding is enabled for this wiki (if disabled, no transcode jobs are added and no
// transcode status is displayed). Note if remote embedding an asset we will still check if
// the remote repo has transcoding enabled and associated flavors for that media embed.
$wgEnableTranscode = true;
// The total amout of time a transcoding shell command can take:
$wgTranscodeBackgroundTimeLimit = 3600 * 8;
// Maximum amount of virtual memory available to transcoding processes in KB
$wgTranscodeBackgroundMemoryLimit = 2 * 1024 * 1024; // 2GB avconv, ffmpeg2theora mmap resources so virtual memory needs to be high enough
// Maximum file size transcoding processes can create, in KB
$wgTranscodeBackgroundSizeLimit = 3 * 1024 * 1024; // 3GB
// Number of threads to use in avconv for transcoding
$wgFFmpegThreads = 1;
// The NS for TimedText (registered on MediaWiki.org)
// https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_namespace_registration
// Note commons pre-dates TimedMediaHandler and should set $wgTimedTextNS = 102 in LocalSettings.php
$wgTimedTextNS = 710;
// Set TimedText namespace for ForeignDBViaLBRepo on a per wikiID basis
// $wgTimedTextForeignNamespaces = array( 'commonswiki' => 102 );
//$wgTimedTextForeignNamespaces = array();
/**
* Default enabled transcodes
*
* -If set to empty array, no derivatives will be created
* -Derivative keys encode settings are defined in WebVideoTranscode.php
*
* -These transcodes are *in addition to* the source file.
* -Only derivatives with smaller width than the source asset size will be created
* -Regardless of source size at least one WebM and Ogg source will be created from the $wgEnabledTranscodeSet
* -Derivative jobs are added to the MediaWiki JobQueue the first time the asset is uploaded
* -Derivative should be listed min to max
*/
// Starting from 1.31
// All valid string values are listed in the extension's extension.json file
$wgEnabledTranscodeSet = [
'160p.webm' => true,
'240p.webm' => true,
'360p.webm' => true,
'480p.webm' => true,
'720p.webm' => true,
'1080p.webm' => true,
];
$wgEnabledAudioTranscodeSet = [
'ogg' => true, // ogg+vorbis
'opus' => false, // ogg+opus
'mp3' => true, // raw mp3
'm4a' => false, // mp4+aac (mp4a.40.5)
];
// If mp3 source assets can be ingested:
$wgTmhEnableMp3Uploads = true;
wfLoadExtension( 'Score' );
$wgScoreTrim = true;
$wgScoreLilyPond = "/usr/bin/lilypond";
$wgScoreAbc2Ly = '/usr/bin/abc2ly';
$wgScoreFluidsynth = '/usr/bin/fluidsynth';
$wgScoreSoundfont = '/usr/share/sounds/sf2/FluidR3_GM.sf2';
$wgScoreTimidity = '/usr/bin/timidity';
$wgScoreLame = '/usr/bin/lame';
$wgScoreSafeMode = true;
$wgShellRestrictionMethod = 'firejail';
//$wgShellboxUrl = 'http://shellbox.internal/shellbox';
//$wgShellboxSecretKey = '##################################';
// LoginNotify code loaded before Notifications
wfLoadExtension( 'LoginNotify' );
$wgNotifyTypeAvailabilityByCategory['login-success']['web'] = false;
$wgLoginNotifyAttemptsNewIP = 3;
wfLoadExtension( 'GlobalPreferences' );
// No need to set $wgGlobalPreferencesDB if it's the same as $wgSharedDB.
//$wgGlobalPreferencesDB = '<global_preferences_database>';
wfLoadExtension( 'MassMessage' );
wfLoadExtension( 'TemplateSandbox' );
wfLoadExtension( 'UserMerge' );
// By default nobody can use this function, enable for bureaucrat?
$wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['usermerge'] = true;
// Don't let users get deleted outright (T69789)
$wgUserMergeEnableDelete = false;
wfLoadExtension( 'CodeMirror' );
# Enables use of CodeMirror by default but still allow users to disable it
$wgDefaultUserOptions['usecodemirror'] = 1;
wfLoadExtension( 'CharInsert' );
wfLoadExtension( "timeline" );
$wgTimelinePloticusCommand = "/usr/bin/ploticus";
$wgTimelinePerlCommand = "/usr/bin/perl";
putenv("GDFONTPATH=/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont"); // Directory containing FreeSans.ttf.
wfLoadExtension( 'LabeledSectionTransclusion' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Math' );
// ensure 'mathml'; is added to the $wgMathValidModes array;
$wgMathValidModes[] = 'mathml';
// Set Mathoid as default rendering option;
$wgDefaultUserOptions['math'] = 'mathml';
$wgMathFullRestbaseURL = 'https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_';
$wgMathMathMLUrl = 'https://mathoid-beta.wmflabs.org/';
wfLoadExtension( 'wikihiero' );
wfLoadExtension( 'PagedTiffHandler' );
// Path to identify
$wgImageMagickIdentifyCommand = '/usr/bin/identify';
// Use exiv2? if false, MediaWiki's internal EXIF parser will be used
$wgTiffUseExiv = true;
// Path to exiv2 (Mediawiki core configuration option)
$wgExiv2Command = '/usr/bin/exiv2';
// Use tiffinfo? if false, ImageMagick's identify command will be used
$wgTiffUseTiffinfo = true;
// Path to tiffinfo
$wgTiffTiffinfoCommand = '/usr/bin/tiffinfo';
$wgTiffMaxMetaSize = 1048576;
$wgMaxImageArea = 10e7; // 100MP
$wgMaxAnimatedGifArea = 10e7; // 100MP
wfLoadExtension( 'VipsScaler' );
$wgVipsCommand = '/usr/bin/vips';
$wgVipsOptions = [
[
'conditions' => [
'mimeType' => 'image/png',
'minArea' => 2e7,
],
],
[
'conditions' => [
'mimeType' => 'image/tiff',
'minShrinkFactor' => 1.2,
'minArea' => 5e7,
],
'sharpen' => [ 'sigma' => 0.8 ],
],
];
wfLoadExtension( 'RelatedArticles' );
$wgRelatedArticlesLoggingBucketSize = 0;
$wgRelatedArticlesUseCirrusSearch = true;
$wgRelatedArticlesOnlyUseCirrusSearch = false;
#$wgRelatedArticlesDescriptionSource = 'wikidata';
#Requires Extension:TextExtracts, fetched from the prop=extracts api.
$wgRelatedArticlesDescriptionSource = 'textextracts';
#Requires Extension:Description2 (or any other extension that sets the description page property).
#$wgRelatedArticlesDescriptionSource = 'pagedescription';
/**
* Wikibase Settings
* for Repo and Client
*/
$wgEnableWikibaseRepo = false;
if($wikiId === 'en'){
require_once "$IP/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.php";
call_user_func( function() {
global $wgContentHandlerUseDB,
$wgDBname,
$wgExtraNamespaces,
$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault,
$wgWBRepoSettings;

$wgContentHandlerUseDB = true;

$baseNs = 120;

// Define custom namespaces. Use these exact constant names.
define( 'WB_NS_ITEM', $baseNs );
define( 'WB_NS_ITEM_TALK', $baseNs + 1 );
define( 'WB_NS_PROPERTY', $baseNs + 2 );
define( 'WB_NS_PROPERTY_TALK', $baseNs + 3 );

// Register extra namespaces.
$wgExtraNamespaces[WB_NS_ITEM] = 'Item';
$wgExtraNamespaces[WB_NS_ITEM_TALK] = 'Item_talk';
$wgExtraNamespaces[WB_NS_PROPERTY] = 'Property';
$wgExtraNamespaces[WB_NS_PROPERTY_TALK] = 'Property_talk';

// Tell Wikibase which namespace to use for which kind of entity
$wgWBRepoSettings['entityNamespaces']['item'] = WB_NS_ITEM;
$wgWBRepoSettings['entityNamespaces']['property'] = WB_NS_PROPERTY;

// Make sure we use the same keys on repo and clients, so we can share cached objects.
$wgWBRepoSettings['sharedCacheKeyPrefix'] = $wgDBname . ':WBL/' . rawurlencode(MW_VERSION );
$wgWBRepoSettings['sharedCacheKeyGroup'] = $wgDBname;

// NOTE: no need to set up $wgNamespaceContentModels, Wikibase will do that automatically based on $wgWBRepoSettings

// Tell MediaWiki to search the item namespace
$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault[WB_NS_ITEM] = true;

// the special group includes all the sites in the specialSiteLinkGroups,
// grouped together in a 'Pages linked to other sites' section.
$wgWBRepoSettings['siteLinkGroups'] = [
'wikipedia',
'wikinews',
'wikiquote',
'wikisource',
'wikivoyage',
'wikibooks',
'wiktionary',
'commons',
'special',
'seminaverbi'
];

// these are the site_group codes as listed in the sites table
$wgWBRepoSettings['specialSiteLinkGroups'] = [ 'commons', 'wikidata' ];

// Example configuration for enabling termbox
// both exemplary and used to enable it for CI tests
$wgWBRepoSettings['termboxEnabled'] = true;
$wgWBRepoSettings['ssrServerUrl'] = 'http://termbox-ssr.example.com';
$wgWBRepoSettings['ssrServerTimeout'] = 0.1;
} );
$wgEnableWikibaseRepo = true;
$wgLocalDatabases = [ 'seminaverbi_en', 'seminaverbi_it', 'seminaverbi_es', 'seminaverbi_fr', 'seminaverbi_de', 'seminaverbi_pt' ];
$wgWBRepoSettings['localClientDatabases'] = array(
'en' => 'seminaverbi_en',
'it' => 'seminaverbi_it',
'es' => 'seminaverbi_es',
'fr' => 'seminaverbi_fr',
'de' => 'seminaverbi_de',
'pt' => 'seminaverbi_pt',
);
}
require_once "$IP/extensions/Wikibase/client/WikibaseClient.php";
// The global site ID by which this wiki is known on the repo.
// Defaults to $wgDBname.
$wgWBClientSettings['siteGlobalID'] = $wikiId;
$wgWBClientSettings['injectRecentChanges'] = true;
$wgWBClientSettings['showExternalRecentChanges'] = true;
// If this wiki also runs the Wikibase repo extension,
// use the automatic defaults for repo-related settings.
// If this wiki isn't running the repo extension,
// configure an example repo.
if ( !defined( 'WB_VERSION' ) ) {
// Base URL for building links to the repository.
// Assumes your wiki is setup as "http://repo.example.org/wiki/"
// This can be protocol relative, such as "//www.wikidata.org"
$wgWBClientSettings['repoUrl'] = "https://en.seminaverbi.bibleget.io";
// This setting is optional if you have the same type of setup for your
// repo and client. It will default to using the client's $wgArticlePath setting,
// and if you do not have $wgArticlePath set anywhere, MediaWiki has a default for it.
$wgWBClientSettings['repoArticlePath'] = "/wiki/$1";
// Assuming your wiki is setup with such script path as "http://repo.example.org/w/api.php". This
// should be the same as the $wgScriptPath setting if you have it set in your repo. If $wgScriptPath
// is not set, then MediaWiki assumes a default.
//
// If your client and repo are setup in the same way, then the below setting is optional and will
// default to what you have $wgScriptPath set in the client.
$wgWBClientSettings['repoScriptPath'] = "/w";
// Tell the client which namespace ID on the repo holds which type of entity.
$baseRepoNs = 120;
define( 'WB_REPO_NS_ITEM', $baseRepoNs );
define( 'WB_REPO_NS_PROPERTY', $baseRepoNs + 2 );
$wgWBClientSettings['repositories'] = [
'' => [
'repoDatabase' => 'seminaverbi_en',
'baseUri' => $wgWBClientSettings['repoUrl'] . '/entity',
'entityNamespaces' => [
'item' => WB_REPO_NS_ITEM,
'property' => WB_REPO_NS_PROPERTY
],
'prefixMapping' => [ '' => '' ],
]
];
}
$wgEnableWikibaseClient = true;
$wgWBClientSettings['siteLinkGroups'] = [
'wikipedia',
'wikinews',
'wikiquote',
'wikisource',
'wikivoyage',
'wikibooks',
'wiktionary',
'commons',
'special',
'seminaverbi'
];
$wgWBClientSettings['siteGroup'] = 'seminaverbi';
$wgWBRepoSettings['enableEntitySearchUI'] = false;
//Only load WikibaseLexeme if WikibaseRepo is enabled
if($wgEnableWikibaseRepo){
wfLoadExtension( 'WikibaseLexeme' );
}
wfLoadExtension( 'CentralAuth' );
# General CentralAuth configuration
$wgCentralAuthCookies = true;
$wgCentralAuthDatabase = 'seminaverbi';
$wgCentralAuthAutoMigrate = true;
$wgCentralAuthAutoMigrateNonGlobalAccounts = true;
$wgCentralAuthCookieDomain = '.seminaverbi.bibleget.io';
$wgCentralAuthAutoLoginWikis = [
# Mapping from domain name to wiki id for other wikis to automatically login into
"https://en.seminaverbi.bibleget.io" => "seminaverbi_en",
"https://it.seminaverbi.bibleget.io" => "seminaverbi_it",
"https://fr.seminaverbi.bibleget.io" => "seminaverbi_fr",
"https://de.seminaverbi.bibleget.io" => "seminaverbi_de",
"https://es.seminaverbi.bibleget.io" => "seminaverbi_es",
"https://pt.seminaverbi.bibleget.io" => "seminaverbi_pt"
];
# Create the local account on pageview, set false to require a local login to create it.
$wgCentralAuthCreateOnView = true;
# Activates the redirect to the "central login wiki"
$wgCentralAuthLoginWiki = 'seminaverbi_en';
# Skips the "login success" page
$wgCentralAuthSilentLogin = true;
$wgCookieSameSite = "None";
$wgUseSameSiteLegacyCookies = true;
$wgConf = new SiteConfiguration;
$wgConf->wikis = [ 'seminaverbi_en', 'seminaverbi_it', 'seminaverbi_es', 'seminaverbi_fr', 'seminaverbi_de', 'seminaverbi_pt' ];
$wgConf->localVHosts = ['localhost'];
function efGetSiteParams( $conf, $wiki ) {
$site = null;
$lang = null;
foreach( $conf->suffixes as $suffix ) {
if ( substr( $wiki, 0, strlen( $suffix ) ) == $suffix ) {
$site = $suffix;
$lang = substr( $wiki, strlen( $suffix ) + 1 );
break;
}
}
return [
'suffix' => $site,
'lang' => $lang,
'params' => [
'lang' => $lang,
'site' => $site,
'wiki' => $wiki,
],
'tags' => [],
];
}
$wgConf->suffixes = ["seminaverbi"];
$wgConf->settings = [

'wgServer' => array(
'default' => "https://{$wikiId}.seminaverbi.bibleget.io", //default means applied to all wikis. We want our location to be http://localhost/(wiki). If your wikis are hosted on different domains, then you would override this, but let's keep it simple
),

'wgCanonicalServer' => array(
'default' => "https://{$wikiId}.seminaverbi.bibleget.io",
),

'wgScriptPath' => [
'default' => '/w', //script path, where index.php is located
],
'wgArticlePath' => [
'default' => "/wiki/$1",
],
'wgLanguageCode' => array( //dont change, if all wikis are english *BE careful not to alter this line if you use RegEx to replace COD with your wiki name!
'default' => $wikiId,
),

'wgLocalInterwiki' => [
'default' => $wikiId,
],
];
$wgConf->siteParamsCallback = 'efGetSiteParams';
$wgConf->extractAllGlobals( $wgDBname );
wfLoadExtension( 'WikimediaBadges' );
wfLoadExtension( 'AdvancedSearch' );
wfLoadExtension( 'BetaFeatures' );
wfLoadExtension( 'CentralNotice' );
//$wgCentralNoticeGeoIPBackgroundLookupModule = 'ext.centralNotice.freegeoipLookup';
if($wikiId === 'en'){
$wgNoticeInfrastructure = true;
$wgNoticeProjects = array('it', 'de', 'es', 'fr', 'pt');
} else {
$wgNoticeInfrastructure = false;
$wgNoticeProject = $wikiId;
$wgCentralHost = 'https://en.seminaverbi.bibleget.io';
$wgCentralSelectedBannerDispatcher = 'https://en.seminaverbi.bibleget.io/wiki/Special:BannerLoader';
$wgCentralDBname = 'seminaverbi_en';
$wgCentralBannerRecorder = 'https://en.seminaverbi.bibleget.io/wiki/Special:RecordImpression';
}
wfLoadExtension( 'CommonsMetadata' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Disambiguator' );
wfLoadExtension( 'DismissableSiteNotice' );
$wgDismissableSiteNoticeForAnons = true; // T59732
$wgMajorSiteNoticeID = '2';
wfLoadExtension( 'ExternalGuidance' );
$wgExternalGuidanceMTReferrers = [
'translate.google.com',
'translate.googleusercontent.com'
];
$wgExternalGuidanceKnownServices = [
'Google',
'translate.google.com',
'translate.googleusercontent.com'
];
wfLoadExtension( 'FileExporter' );
wfLoadExtension( 'FileImporter' );
$wgFileImporterCommonsHelperServer = 'https://www.mediawiki.org';
$wgFileImporterCommonsHelperBasePageName = 'Extension:FileImporter/Data/';
$wgFileImporterCommonsHelperHelpPage = 'https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FileImporter/Data';
$wgFileImporterSourceSiteServices = []; //empty will allow imports from any wikimedia site
//Set the list to [ 'FileImporter-WikimediaSitesTableSite' ] if you only want to allow imports from sites that are in the sites table.
$wgFileImporterInterWikiMap = [
'en.seminaverbi.bibleget.io' => 'en',
'it.seminaverbi.bibleget.io' => 'it',
'es.seminaverbi.bibleget.io' => 'es',
'fr.seminaverbi.bibleget.io' => 'fr',
'de.seminaverbi.bibleget.io' => 'de',
'pt.seminaverbi.bibleget.io' => 'pt',
'mediawiki.org' => 'mw',
'en.wikipedia.org' => 'enwiki'
];
$wgFileImporterWikidataEntityEndpoint = 'https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/';
$wgFileImporterWikidataNowCommonsEntity = 'Q5611625';
$wgFileImporterSourceWikiDeletion = true;
$wgFileImporterSourceWikiTemplating = true;
// Temporarily enable for testing, see T228851
if ( $wgDBname === 'testwiki' ) {
$wgFileImporterWikidataEntityEndpoint = 'https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/';
$wgFileImporterWikidataNowCommonsEntity = 'Q210317';
}
wfLoadExtension( 'GlobalBlocking' );
$wgGlobalBlockingDatabase = 'seminaverbi_globalblocking';
$wgApplyGlobalBlocks = true;
$wgGlobalBlockingBlockXFF = true; // Apply blocks to IPs in XFF (T25343)
wfLoadExtension( 'GlobalCssJs' );
// Setup seminaverbi as central wiki
$wgResourceLoaderSources['seminaverbi'] = [
'apiScript' => 'https://en.seminaverbi.bibleget.io/w/api.php',
'loadScript' => 'https://en.seminaverbi.bibleget.io/w/load.php',
];
$wgGlobalCssJsConfig = array(
'wiki' => 'seminaverbi_en',
'source' => 'seminaverbi',
);
wfLoadExtension( 'GlobalUserPage' );
$wgGlobalUserPageAPIUrl = 'https://en.seminaverbi.bibleget.io/w/api.php';
$wgGlobalUserPageDBname = 'seminaverbi_en';
wfLoadExtension( 'GuidedTour' );
wfLoadExtension( 'InterwikiSorting' );
$wgInterwikiSortingSort = 'alphabetic';
wfLoadExtension( 'MobileApp' );
wfLoadExtension( 'OAuth' );
$wgMWOAuthCentralWiki = 'seminaverbi_en';
$wgMWOAuthSecureTokenTransfer = true;
$wgOAuth2GrantExpirationInterval = 'infinity';
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['mwoauthproposeconsumer'] = true;
wfLoadExtension( 'PageViewInfo' );
wfLoadExtension( 'PoolCounter' );
wfLoadExtension( 'ReadingLists' );
$wgReadingListsMaxEntriesPerList = 500;
wfLoadExtension( 'RevisionSlider' );
wfLoadExtension( 'SandboxLink' );
wfLoadExtension( 'SecureLinkFixer' );
wfLoadExtension( 'SecurePoll' );
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['securepoll-create-poll'] = true;
wfLoadExtension( 'TemplateWizard' );
wfLoadExtension( 'Thanks' );
wfLoadExtension( 'TwoColConflict' );
wfLoadExtension( 'WebAuthn' );
wfLoadExtension( 'WikimediaMessages' );
wfLoadExtension( "timeline" );
$wgTimelinePloticusCommand = "/usr/bin/ploticus";
$wgTimelinePerlCommand = "/usr/bin/perl";
putenv("GDFONTPATH=/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont"); // Directory containing FreeSans.ttf.
wfLoadExtension( 'WikibaseImport' );
$namespaceConstantDefs = ['NS_USER','NS_USER_TALK','NS_PROJECT','NS_FILE','NS_FILE_TALK','NS_TEMPLATE','NS_TEMPLATE_TALK','NS_HELP','NS_HELP_TALK','NS_CATEGORY','NS_CATEGORY_TALK']; //'NS_MEDIAWIKI','NS_MEDIAWIKI_TALK',
$namespaceAliases = ['U', 'UT', 'P', 'F', 'FT', 'T', 'TT', 'H', 'HT', 'C', 'CT']; //'MW', 'MWT',
foreach($namespaceConstantDefs as $idx => $NSC){
if(defined($NSC) ){
$wgNamespaceAliases[$namespaceAliases[$idx]] = constant($NSC);
if($NSC==='NS_PROJECT'){
$wgNamespaceAliases['WP'] = NS_PROJECT;
}
}
}
wfLoadExtension( 'EmbedVideo' );
$wgEmbedVideoRequireConsent = false;
$wgEmbedVideoDefaultWidth = 640;
wfLoadExtension( 'VisualEditor' );
//$wgReadOnly = ( PHP_SAPI === 'cli' ) ? false : 'This wiki is currently being upgraded to a newer software version. Please check back in a couple of hours.';
</syntaxhighlight> [[User:Lwangaman|Lwangaman]] ([[User talk:Lwangaman|talk]]) 13:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

== Sticker "Powered by MediaWiki" ==

Why it showing sticker '''Powered by MediaWiki'''? [[Special:Contributions/47.234.198.142|47.234.198.142]] ([[User talk:47.234.198.142|talk]]) 16:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:Probably because "it" (?) is. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 21:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:That can be disabled:
:[[Manual:$wgFooterIcons#Disable icons]] [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 13:34, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

== No sucess installing mediawiki on Fedora 34 ==

...have ipb_id field in ipblocks table.

...have ipb_expiry field in ipblocks table.

...already have interwiki table

...indexes seem up to 20031107 standards.

...have rc_type field in recentchanges table.

...index new_name_timestamp already set on recentchanges table.

...have user_real_name field in user table.

...querycache table already exists.

...objectcache table already exists.

...categorylinks table already exists.

...have pagelinks; skipping old links table updates

...il_from OK

...have rc_ip field in recentchanges table.

...index PRIMARY already set on image table.

...have rc_id field in recentchanges table.

...have rc_patrolled field in recentchanges table.

...logging table already exists.

...have user_token field in user table.

...have wl_notificationtimestamp field in watchlist table.

...watchlist talk page rows already present.

...user table does not contain user_emailauthenticationtimestamp field.

...page table already exists.

...have log_params field in logging table.

...logging table has correct log_title encoding.

...have ar_rev_id field in archive table.

...have page_len field in page table.

...revision table does not contain inverse_timestamp field.

...have rev_deleted field in revision table.

...have img_width field in image table.

...have img_metadata field in image table.

...have user_email_token field in user table.

...page_namespace is already a full int (int(11)).

...ar_namespace is already a full int (int(11)).

...rc_namespace is already a full int (int(11)).

...wl_namespace is already a full int (int(11)).

...qc_namespace is already a full int (int(11)).

...log_namespace is already a full int (int(11)).

...have img_media_type field in image table.

...already have pagelinks table.

...image table does not contain img_type field.

...already have unique user_name index.

...user_groups table exists and is in current format.

...have ss_total_pages field in site_stats table.

...user_newtalk table already exists.

...have iw_trans field in interwiki table.

...wl_notificationtimestamp is already nullable.

...index times already set on logging table.

...have ipb_range_start field in ipblocks table.

...no page_random rows needed to be set

...have user_registration field in user table.

...templatelinks table already exists

...externallinks table already exists.

...job table already exists.

...have ss_images field in site_stats table.

...langlinks table already exists.

...querycache_info table already exists.

...filearchive table already exists.

...have ipb_anon_only field in ipblocks table.

...have user_newpass_time field in user table.

...redirect table already exists.

...querycachetwo table already exists.

...have ipb_enable_autoblock field in ipblocks table.

...index pl_namespace on table pagelinks includes field pl_from.

...index tl_namespace on table templatelinks includes field tl_from.

...index il_to on table imagelinks includes field il_from.

...have rc_old_len field in recentchanges table.

...have user_editcount field in user table.

...page_restrictions table already exists.

...have log_id field in logging table.

...have rev_parent_id field in revision table.

...have pr_id field in page_restrictions table.

...have rev_len field in revision table.

...have rc_deleted field in recentchanges table.

...have log_deleted field in logging table.

...have ar_deleted field in archive table.

...have ipb_deleted field in ipblocks table.

...have fa_deleted field in filearchive table.

...have ar_len field in archive table.

...have ipb_block_email field in ipblocks table.

...index cl_sortkey on table categorylinks includes field cl_from.

...have oi_metadata field in oldimage table.

...have ar_page_id field in archive table.

...have img_sha1 field in image table.

...protected_titles table already exists.

...page_props table already exists.

...updatelog table already exists.

...category table already exists.

...category table already populated.

...have ar_parent_id field in archive table.

...have user_last_timestamp field in user_newtalk table.

...protected_titles table has correct pt_title encoding.

...have ss_active_users field in site_stats table.

...ss_active_users user count set...

...have ipb_allow_usertalk field in ipblocks table.

...change_tag table already exists.

...user_properties table already exists.

...log_search table already exists.

...l10n_cache table already exists.

...ct_rc_id key doesn't exist.

...have rd_interwiki field in redirect table.

...*_mime_minor fields are already long enough.

...iwlinks table already exists.

...index iwl_prefix_title_from already set on iwlinks table.

...have ul_value field in updatelog table.

...have iw_api field in interwiki table.

...iwl_prefix key doesn't exist.

...have cl_collation field in categorylinks table.

...categorylinks up-to-date.

...module_deps table already exists.

...ar_page_revid key doesn't exist.

...skipping index ar_revid because index ar_revid_uniq already set on archive table.

...user_last_timestamp is already nullable.

...index user_email already set on user table.

...up_property in table user_properties already modified by patch patch-up_property.sql.

...uploadstash table already exists.

...user_former_groups table already exists.

...have rev_sha1 field in revision table.

...batch conversion of user_options: nothing to migrate. done.

...user table does not contain user_options field.

...have ar_sha1 field in archive table.

...index page_redirect_namespace_len already set on page table.

...have us_chunk_inx field in uploadstash table.

...have job_timestamp field in job table.

...have ipb_parent_block_id field in ipblocks table.

...index ipb_parent_block_id already set on ipblocks table.

...category table does not contain cat_hidden field.

...have page_content_model field in page table.

...site_stats table does not contain ss_admins field.

...recentchanges table does not contain rc_moved_to_title field.

...sites table already exists.

...have fa_sha1 field in filearchive table.

...have job_token field in job table.

...have job_attempts field in job table.

...have us_props field in uploadstash table.

...ug_group in table user_groups already modified by patch patch-ug_group-length-increase-255.sql.

...ufg_group in table user_former_groups already modified by patch patch-ufg_group-length-increase-255.sql.

...index pp_propname_page already set on page_props table.

...index img_media_mime already set on image table.

...iwl_prefix_title_from index is already non-UNIQUE.

...index iwl_prefix_from_title already set on iwlinks table.

...have ar_id field in archive table.

...have el_id field in externallinks table.

...have rc_source field in recentchanges table.

...have page_links_updated field in page table.

...have user_password_expires field in user table.

...have pp_sortkey field in page_props table.

...recentchanges table does not contain rc_cur_time field.

...index wl_user_notificationtimestamp already set on watchlist table.

...have page_lang field in page table.

...have pl_from_namespace field in pagelinks table.

...have tl_from_namespace field in templatelinks table.

...have il_from_namespace field in imagelinks table.

...img_major_mime in table image already modified by patch patch-img_major_mime-chemical.sql.

...oi_major_mime in table oldimage already modified by patch patch-oi_major_mime-chemical.sql.

...fa_major_mime in table filearchive already modified by patch patch-fa_major_mime-chemical.sql.

...comment fields are up to date.

...hitcounter doesn't exist.

...site_stats table does not contain ss_total_views field.

...page table does not contain page_counter field.

...msg_resource_links doesn't exist.

...msg_resource doesn't exist.

...bot_passwords table already exists.

...have wl_id field in watchlist table.

...cl_collation key doesn't exist.

...index cl_collation_ext already set on categorylinks table.

...collations up-to-date.

...index rc_name_type_patrolled_timestamp already set on recentchanges table.

...rev_page_id index already non-unique.

...pl_namespace, tl_namespace, il_to indices are already non-UNIQUE.

...have ct_id field in change_tag table.

...rc_ip in table recentchanges already modified by patch patch-rc_ip_modify.sql.

...have el_index_60 field in externallinks table.

...ug_user_group key doesn't exist.

...have ug_expiry field in user_groups table.

...img_media_type in table image already modified by patch patch-add-3d.sql.

...ip_changes table already exists.

...index PRIMARY already set on categorylinks table.

...index PRIMARY already set on templatelinks table.

...index PRIMARY already set on pagelinks table.

...index PRIMARY already set on text table.

...index PRIMARY already set on imagelinks table.

...index PRIMARY already set on iwlinks table.

...index PRIMARY already set on langlinks table.

...index PRIMARY already set on log_search table.

...index PRIMARY already set on module_deps table.

...index PRIMARY already set on objectcache table.

...index PRIMARY already set on querycache_info table.

...index PRIMARY already set on site_stats table.

...index PRIMARY already set on user_former_groups table.

...index PRIMARY already set on user_properties table.

...comment table already exists.

...revision_comment_temp table already exists.

...have ar_comment_id field in archive table.

...have fa_description_id field in filearchive table.

...img_description field does not exist in image table, skipping modify field patch.

...have ipb_reason_id field in ipblocks table.

...have log_comment_id field in logging table.

...have oi_description_id field in oldimage table.

...have pt_reason_id field in protected_titles table.

...have rc_comment_id field in recentchanges table.

...rev_comment field does not exist in revision table, skipping modify field patch.

...have img_description_id field in image table.

...index PRIMARY already set on l10n_cache table.

...bot_passwords.bp_user is already unsigned int.

...change_tag.ct_log_id is already unsigned int.

...change_tag.ct_rev_id is already unsigned int.

...page_restrictions.pr_user is already unsigned int.

...user_newtalk.user_id is already unsigned int.

...user_properties.up_user is already unsigned int.

...slots table already exists.

...have slot_origin field in slots table.

...content table already exists.

...slot_roles table already exists.

...content_models table already exists.

...actor table already exists.

...revision_actor_temp table already exists.

...have ar_actor field in archive table.

...have ipb_by_actor field in ipblocks table.

...have img_actor field in image table.

...have oi_actor field in oldimage table.

...have fa_actor field in filearchive table.

...have rc_actor field in recentchanges table.

...have log_actor field in logging table.

...rev_text_id field does not exist in revision table, skipping modify field patch.

...table site_stats already modified by patch patch-site_stats-modify.sql.

...index rc_namespace_title_timestamp already set on recentchanges table.

...change_tag_def table already exists.

...el_index_60 in table externallinks already modified by patch patch-externallinks-el_index_60-drop-default.sql.

Running maintenance/deduplicateArchiveRevId.php...

Deduplicating ar_rev_id...

'''An error occurred:'''

'''Precondition failed: MediaWiki\User\DefaultOptionsLookup::getOption called on a registered user''' [[User:Agompel|Agompel]] ([[User talk:Agompel|talk]]) 21:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:Which exact MediaWiki version, taken from where, following which installation steps? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 22:07, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

== Help With Protection ==

Hello I want the only person Who can '''MOVE''' an article or any pages for my wiki to be an administration /sysop..... Don't want user to move page [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 08:34, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:Check out the move permission here -
:https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 13:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

== Show recent changes since start of last session ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

I'd like to show all the recent changes since a registered user's last session.

For example, if a registered user visited on Jan 1 and then again on Jan 20, for the entire session on Jan 20 I'd like to show the recent changes since their session on Jan 1.

If they visit again on Jan 25, then for their entire session on Jan 25 I'd like to show the recent changes since their session on Jan 20.

Is there anywhere that captures the start of the last session even though a new session has started?

If not, what would be the best hook to get the session ID from so that I could store this myself? I'm currently looking at BeforeInitialize, but am not sure that's the best one. [[User:Lorenmaxwell|Lorenmaxwell]] ([[User talk:Lorenmaxwell|talk]]) 13:13, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:This unmaintained extension might be a good place to start - https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LastLoginTime
:You could maybe calculate the necessary days for the days= url filter on special:recentchanges. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 13:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks, Jonathan3. I had looked at that but I believe it only shows the last time a user fully logged in, not the last time they started a session. Since a user can stay logged in for a year, it's not quite what I was hoping for. [[User:Lorenmaxwell|Lorenmaxwell]] ([[User talk:Lorenmaxwell|talk]]) 17:36, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:I see. You could maybe look at how email notification of changes to watched pages work.
:That is able to show "changes since last visit". [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 18:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:Great idea -- I'll dig around there! [[User:Lorenmaxwell|Lorenmaxwell]] ([[User talk:Lorenmaxwell|talk]]) 18:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== How to make a tooltip? Can't make heads or tails of Help pages ==

I have a tiny personal wiki but am not very skilled and for the life of me, can't figure how to make a tooltip. I just want to show readers a sentence or two of more detail (text) if they hover over my tooltip'ed text. That's all I want! laugh

Googling produces results like:

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tooltips which says use <code><nowiki>{{H:title|The tool tip|The text}}</nowiki></code>
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Hover_title which defines a Hover title or something.
But they both seem to point to:

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tooltip which has completely different examples

And then they're all talking about '''''templates''''', which has this god-awful page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:A_quick_guide_to_templates

If I try a single one of the tooltip examples, my wiki text has a red-colored, e.g., "Template:Tooltip " which has a tooltip of "Template:Tooltip (page does not exist)".

I seem to be completely missing one or more things here. Do I have to install some extension in my common.css or something? Do I have to make some new separate Template page for the actual text of every single tooltip? (This would be incredibly labyrinthine - I just want a 10 word tooltip!)

I'm so lost I don't know where to start.

I'm using MediaWiki 1.35.1.

Thanks if you can help! [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 13:20, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:The extension SimpleTooltip will do this and is easy to use.
:I'd link to it but can't copy and paste into this page any more on the iPhone. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 13:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks, you must mean [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SimpleTooltip MediaWiki's Extension:SimpleTooltip]. I could get this to work. So I appreciate it.
::It's a little buggy; it indents everything down the rest of the page, to whatever level the paragraph that the tooltip was in. I'm presenting technical analyses and have lots of bullets and indenting. As a workaround I have to force the tooltip's paragraph to have zero indentation. So it's kind of gimped. I see templates for Outdent but pfft...
::Anyway, you've shown me to an extension that also held my hand for how to successfully install an extension. Maybe I'll look at some of those other more sophisticated tooltip extensions some day. But for today, it's enough that I sunk four hours already just to get one buggy tooltip to show, lol.
::If anybody knows a way to stop SimpleTooltip from forcing indentation on the remainder of the page, that's great. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 11:18, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
::What do you have that it messes up? I'm still on MW 1.34 (naughty me) and haven't noticed any problems. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 19:30, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
::Hi, bullets (*) and indents (:). Try indenting a paragraph you have a SimpleTooltip in. Eh, make it three colons.
::Doesn't it indent all the subsequent paragraphs on the page, for you? [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 19:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:You could use a title attribute on a span, div or abbr element
:e.g.
:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
normal text
</syntaxhighlight> [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 06:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, Yes that works, but it doesn't signal that the "normal text" has a tooltip to view. A reader would have to accidentally hover over it to realize that one is there. I guess I could force it by making the normal text say "(tooltip)". So there's that. But it's still not as nice as the type of tooltip (with underscored text) that is commonly used. Hmm.
:Thanks. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 11:48, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:I think the dotted underscore comes from using the abbr attribute instead of span.
:You can also use css to add an underline via the style attribute (Either directly, or via border-bottom) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 04:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

== Failed to invoke Pygments: Error clone: main.c:2608 main: Operation not permitted [Called from SyntaxHighlight::highlightInner ==

With MediaWiki 1.35.3, I was able to get the SyntaxHighlight extension to work by using an external pygmentize:

<syntaxhighlight lang="php">
$wgPygmentizePath = '/usr/local/bin/pygmentize';
</syntaxhighlight>

However after upgrading to MediaWiki 1.36.2, pygmentize is no longer working correctly. If I turn on error reporting:

<syntaxhighlight lang="php">
error_reporting(E_ALL);
ini_set("display_errors", 1);

$wgShowExceptionDetails = true;
$wgShowDBErrorBacktrace = false;
$wgShowSQLErrors = true;
$wgResourceLoaderDebug = false;
$wgDebugToolbar = true;
$wgDevelopmentWarnings = true;
$wgShowDebug = true;
</syntaxhighlight>

I then get these errors:

<syntaxhighlight>
Notice: Failed to invoke Pygments: Error clone: main.c:2608 main: Operation not permitted [Called from SyntaxHighlight::highlightInner in /path/to/mediawiki_1_36/w/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/includes/SyntaxHighlight.php at line 316] in /path/to/mediawiki_1_36/w/includes/debug/MWDebug.php on line 499
</syntaxhighlight>

Same or similiar problem for lilypond:

<syntaxhighlight>
Unable to obtain LilyPond version:
Error clone: main.c:2608 main: Operation not permitted
</syntaxhighlight>

In the debug data I see the following information:

<syntaxhighlight>
[exec] Executing: '/usr/bin/firejail' '--quiet' '--profile=/path/to/mediawiki_1_36/w/includes/shell/firejail.profile' '--blacklist=/path/to/mediawiki_1_36/w/LocalSettings.php' '--noroot' '--seccomp' '--private-dev' '--net=none' -- /bin/bash '/path/to/mediawiki_1_36/w/vendor/wikimedia/shellbox/src/Command/limit.sh' ''\''/usr/local/bin/pygmentize'\'' '\''-l'\'' '\''js'\'' '\''-f'\'' '\''html'\'' '\''-O'\'' '\''cssclass=mw-highlight,encoding=utf-8,linenos=inline'\''' 'SB_INCLUDE_STDERR=;SB_CPU_LIMIT=180; SB_CGROUP='\'''\''; SB_MEM_LIMIT=314572800; SB_FILE_SIZE_LIMIT=104857600; SB_WALL_CLOCK_LIMIT=180; SB_USE_LOG_PIPE=yes'
[exec] Error running '/usr/bin/firejail' '--quiet' '--profile=/path/to/mediawiki_1_36/w/includes/shell/firejail.profile' '--blacklist=/path/to/mediawiki_1_36/w/LocalSettings.php' '--noroot' '--seccomp' '--private-dev' '--net=none' -- /bin/bash '/path/to/mediawiki_1_36/w/vendor/wikimedia/shellbox/src/Command/limit.sh' ''\''/usr/local/bin/pygmentize'\'' '\''-l'\'' '\''js'\'' '\''-f'\'' '\''html'\'' '\''-O'\'' '\''cssclass=mw-highlight,encoding=utf-8,linenos=inline'\''' 'SB_INCLUDE_STDERR=;SB_CPU_LIMIT=180; SB_CGROUP='\'''\''; SB_MEM_LIMIT=314572800; SB_FILE_SIZE_LIMIT=104857600; SB_WALL_CLOCK_LIMIT=180; SB_USE_LOG_PIPE=yes': Error clone: main.c:2608 main: Operation not permitted
[objectcache] fetchOrRegenerate(global:highlight:f3eb16b7c32d4a36f595352942cb4e1b): miss, new value computed
[error] [YWLA1o0mAVG7arGqGzx1GAAAAA4] /wiki/User_talk:Johnrdorazio ErrorException: PHP Notice: Failed to invoke Pygments: Error clone: main.c:2608 main: Operation not permitted
[Called from SyntaxHighlight::highlightInner in /path/to/mediawiki_1_36/w/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/includes/SyntaxHighlight.php at line 316]
[warning] Failed to invoke Pygments: Error clone: main.c:2608 main: Operation not permitted
[Called from SyntaxHighlight::highlightInner in /path/to/mediawiki_1_36/w/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/includes/SyntaxHighlight.php at line 316]
</syntaxhighlight>

I opened a [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Wi5aflltr737qg77 discussion] on the '''SyntaxHighlight extension''' discussion page, but seems to me to be more of a problem with MediaWiki Shellbox::Command. In any case on that discussion page there are a few tests I carried out to try to figure out what is happening... [[User:Lwangaman|Lwangaman]] ([[User talk:Lwangaman|talk]]) 15:29, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:I guess you could do $wgShellRestrictionMethod = false; its a bit less secure. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 00:14, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:$wgShellRestrictionMethod = false; does at least get Lilypond and Pygments working again. Not sure what is needed to get it to work with firejail. [[User:Lwangaman|Lwangaman]] ([[User talk:Lwangaman|talk]]) 17:53, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:Based on the error message, I would guess something is wrong with the firejail profile, and its blocking things it shouldn't [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 04:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

== Add New Admin group ==

I am the Admin of my wiki and the group are Administrators, Autoconfirmed users, Bureaucrats, Interface administrators, Users.

Where do I add the rest? [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 16:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:See [[Manual:User rights]]. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 18:18, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

== redirect list fails at some result lines ==

< https://avatar.fandom.com/nl/wiki/Speciaal:Doorverwijzinglijst?limit=1&offset=468 > -until- < https://avatar.fandom.com/nl/wiki/Speciaal:Doorverwijzinglijst?limit=1&offset=479 >

The result is not a list of the redirect but some random? page

Traveller in Time [[Special:Contributions/83.81.245.170|83.81.245.170]] ([[User talk:83.81.245.170|talk]]) 18:59, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:it seems to redirect to a comment inside that article actually. Not sure why. Please contact fandom for support regarding fandom. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 19:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

== User doesn't have edit rights ==

I've created a new wiki with me as the admin. In my preferences page, I see I'm part of the autoconfirmed users and users. But in the user list special page my user is listed without these two groups (it is in bureaucrat, interface administrator, administrator). As a result, I can't edit any pages. In fact, the group drop down in that page doesn't have those groups either.

What is the result of this and how to fix it? Maybe I should have a designated 'admin' user and then create a normal user for me to use that for edits? [[Special:Contributions/84.111.224.227|84.111.224.227]] ([[User talk:84.111.224.227|talk]]) 07:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:This seems to be related to the MinervaNeue skin I'm using. When I change to another, I get the edit tab (as well as others), but when I click it, VisualEditor tries to load and I get "Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server: (curl error: 7) Couldn't connect to server". I'm using 1.36 with the VisualEditor that came with it. I also see in the debug log the following exception
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 {main}
:[GlobalTitleFail] MessageCache::parse called with no title set.
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/html/includes/language/Message.php(1331): MessageCache->parse(string, NULL, boolean, boolean, Language)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/www/html/includes/language/Message.php(922): Message->parseText(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/html/includes/language/Message.php(953): Message->format(string)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/html/includes/TemplateParser.php(173) : eval()'d code(73): Message->__toString()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/html/includes/TemplateParser.php(291): TemplateParser->{closure}(array, array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/html/includes/skins/SkinMustache.php(143): TemplateParser->processTemplate(string, array)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/html/includes/skins/SkinTemplate.php(146): SkinMustache->generateHTML()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/html/includes/OutputPage.php(2634): SkinTemplate->outputPage()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/html/includes/MediaWiki.php(927): OutputPage->output(boolean)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/html/includes/MediaWiki.php(940): MediaWiki::{closure}()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/html/includes/MediaWiki.php(546): MediaWiki->main()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /var/www/html/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /var/www/html/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()
:<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 {main} [[Special:Contributions/84.111.224.227|84.111.224.227]] ([[User talk:84.111.224.227|talk]]) 09:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:I looked at the troubleshooting section for VisualEditor and it says: "Ensure that the mediawiki container name does not equal to the domain the wiki is running on. If both names are equal, the api will try to connect to the domain the wiki is running on, but only receive the local ip of the container. This will cause errors when ssl is enabled."
:My container is running on my laptop with port mapping (8080 to 80) I access it via 127.0.0.1. The container name is whatever docker picked (tender_tereshkova) [[Special:Contributions/84.111.224.227|84.111.224.227]] ([[User talk:84.111.224.227|talk]]) 09:48, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:A skin problem. Started a thread there. [[Special:Contributions/84.111.224.227|84.111.224.227]] ([[User talk:84.111.224.227|talk]]) 12:24, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

== Fehler bei Server Umzug ==

Hallo, bekomme folgenden Fehler nach einem Serverumzug.

'''[YWPydfcfsMXdxCjZFNZeowAABHo] /index.php?title=Spezial:Anmelden Error from line 402 of /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php: Class 'SpecialUserLogin' not found'''

'''Backtrace:'''

'''#0 /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(255): MediaWiki\Special\SpecialPageFactory->getPage()'''

'''#1 /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(860): MediaWiki->performRequest()'''

'''#2 /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/includes/MediaWiki.php(517): MediaWiki->main()'''

'''#3 /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/index.php(42): MediaWiki->run()'''

'''#4 {main}'''

Und ich finde einfach keinen Lösungsansatz. [[User:MarkusBoehm85|MarkusBoehm85]] ([[User talk:MarkusBoehm85|talk]]) 08:18, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hallo!
:Existiert die genannte Datei "/mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php" auf dem Webserver denn? Falls nicht ist beim Umzug etwas schiefgegangen, denn sie sollte Teil der MediaWiki-Anwendung sein.
:Bitte auch mal die Dateisystemberechtigungen überprüfen. Darf der Webserver-Benutzer auf die Code-Dateien zugreifen?
:Um welche Version von MediaWiki handelt es sich? Gibt es Details zur Serverumgebung? [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 09:51, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hallo, ja die Datei existiert noch/wieder auf dem Server.
:Server liegt bei Strato. Ich bin gerade am prüfen der dateiberechtigungen. danke für den tip. [[User:MarkusBoehm85|MarkusBoehm85]] ([[User talk:MarkusBoehm85|talk]]) 12:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Dateiberechtigungen wurden nun auf 755 gesetzt trotzdem kommt der Fehler weiterhin genau gleich.
:Es handelt sich um die Version 1.32 des MediaWiki. [[User:MarkusBoehm85|MarkusBoehm85]] ([[User talk:MarkusBoehm85|talk]]) 06:27, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:<code>Class 'SpecialUserLogin' not found</code> bedeutet, dass der MediaWiki-Classloader entweder die Datei nicht laden konnte, oder dass die Klasse/Datei nicht am Classloader registiert ist. Ersteres haben wir bereits abusgeschloßen.
:Existiert denn in der Datei <code>autoload.php</code> der entsprechende Eintrag? https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/1.32.6/autoload.php#L1416
:Generell würde ich empfehlen auf die MediaWiki Version 1.35 (derzeitiger Long Term Support Release) zu aktualisieren.
:Sind denn Erweiterungen installiert, welche das Login-Verfahren beeinflußen? Z.B. [[Extension:Auth_remoteuser]] oder [[Extension:PluggableAuth]]?
:P.S.: Ich sehe gerade, dass es im Zusammenhang mit der SpecialPageFactory eigentlich "Userlogin" heißen müsste, nicht "SpecialUserLogin": https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/1.32.6/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php#L104
:Ich vermute daher, dass es auch irgendetwas mit einer Erweiterung oder einem Eintrag in der LocalSettings.php zu tun haben könnte. [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 06:15, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:Noch eine Idee: Es könnte an einem "Redirect Loop" liegen. Das scheint bei einem Server-Umzug nicht unwahrscheinlich. Bitte mal die Konfigurationen zu [[Manual:$wgUsePathInfo]] und [[Manual:$wgArticlePath]], sowie eventuelle URL-Rewrite-Rules in der Webserver-Konfiguration prüfen. [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 06:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:Wollte nun das Update auf die 1.35.4 machen und bekomme nun folgende Meldung:
:'''[YWaZqAdlbNNS1tlyJakpKgAADBg] /mw-config/?page=ExistingWiki Exception from line 177 of /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/AA_NEU/includes/registration/ExtensionRegistry.php: Unable to open file /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/AA_NEU/extensions/UploadLocal/extension.json: filemtime(): stat failed for /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/AA_NEU/extensions/UploadLocal/extension.json'''
:'''Backtrace:'''
:'''#0 /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/AA_NEU/includes/GlobalFunctions.php(51): ExtensionRegistry->queue()'''
:'''#1 /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/AA_NEU/LocalSettings.php(162): wfLoadExtension()'''
:'''#2 /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/AA_NEU/includes/installer/Installer.php(661): require(string)'''
:'''#3 /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/AA_NEU/includes/installer/WebInstallerExistingWiki.php(29): Installer::getExistingLocalSettings()'''
:'''#4 /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/AA_NEU/includes/installer/WebInstaller.php(269): WebInstallerExistingWiki->execute()'''
:'''#5 /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/AA_NEU/mw-config/index.php(82): WebInstaller->execute()'''
:'''#6 /mnt/web304/c0/87/52226087/htdocs/medwiki/AA_NEU/mw-config/index.php(40): wfInstallerMain()'''
:'''#7 {main}'''
:habe den Ordner UploadLocal aber schon gelöscht und in der LocalSettings deaktiviert mit #. [[User:MarkusBoehm85|MarkusBoehm85]] ([[User talk:MarkusBoehm85|talk]]) 08:34, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

== How to render uploaded text file inside another page of mediawiki similar to image ? ==

Please let us know, someone knows this [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 09:03, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:I don't think this can be done out of the box. It sounds like a task for a [[:Category:Media_handling_extensions|media handling extension]]. But it does not seem that there is one available for regular text files. You may want try to [[Manual:Developing_extensions|create one]] though. [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 09:54, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

== How to hide few content of page of mediawiki based on sitename ==

In the media wiki page, we want to hide few content of the page based on the sitename.

In this, apart from few content, other content should be visible to user. Is there any way that, we can hide the content based on the sitename in media wiki page. [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 09:14, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Please have a look at [[Help:Magic_words#Technical_metadata]] and [[Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#ifeq]]. You should be able to do something like <code><nowiki>{{#ifeq:{{SITENAME}}|Wiki1|Text for wiki 1|Text for other wikis}}</nowiki></code> [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 10:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Btw. if you meant "pagename" rather than "sitename", this is also possible using <code><nowiki>{{FULLPAGENAME}}</nowiki></code> rather than <code><nowiki>{{SITENAME}}</nowiki></code>. [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 10:03, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

== How to embed one mediawiki page into the another have ==

In one mediawiki file, we would like to embed another mediawiki page whithout using the page links. [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 09:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:The only way to archive this would be using [[Transclusion]]. Basically it is the same as using [[Help:Templates|wikitext templates]], but with an explicit namespace prefix. E.g. <code><nowiki>{{:Some_page_from_the_main_namespace}}</nowiki></code>. [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 09:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

== How to use conditional if inside the page for showing the content based on sitename condition ==

Inside the media wiki page, we want to use the if condition excute few things based on the sitename .

how can we do this ? [[User:AshwiniUpasani|AshwiniUpasani]] ([[User talk:AshwiniUpasani|talk]]) 09:43, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Please make One Thread! [[User:MarkusBoehm85|MarkusBoehm85]] ([[User talk:MarkusBoehm85|talk]]) 09:46, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:See [[help:extension:ParserFunctions]] (#ifeq:) and [[help:Magic Words]] (the SITENAME magic word) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:39, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

== CSS per category ==
{{Archive top|result=Not possible.|status=resolved}}

I can set CSS per namespace in Common.css, but can't work out whether this is possible per category. I don't think so but it seems to have been possible 11 years ago: [[Topic:Pwavyvtwc5rps14f]]. Thanks for any advice. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 09:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:The body element has a different class depending on the page title. You could use that. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:37, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks. That could be useful but not in my case, unless I were to rename the pages. I'll likely move them to a separate namespace and apply CSS that way (see [[Topic:Wi7fz2aqcngiqmxv]]). [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 09:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
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== Move every page in a category to custom namespace ==
{{Archive top|result=moveBatch.php|status=resolved}}

Is there a quick way of doing this?

I'd be happy for the pages to remain in the category (I can remove that later using ReplaceText).

My reason for considering using namespaces instead of categories is to stop the pages (ordinarily) showing up on search results and (less importantly) to indicate that the pages are of a different type by the namespace itself and by a using different page background colour. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 09:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:One simple way would be to save the list of pages into a text file, then use "search&replace" on that file to compose the target page names and feed it into the command line script [[Manual:MoveBatch.php]].
:The list of pages can either be obtained from the respective category page, or by using the [[API:Categorymembers|MediaWiki API]]. [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 10:09, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you :-)
:Mainly for my own reference: there are further ideas on the talk page at [[Manual talk:MoveBatch.php]] under the heading "Moving a bunch of pages to another namespace". [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 15:39, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks again. This worked perfectly! [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:31, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
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== installing some template ==

Hello when ever I tried to import some template i always get White screen. Help please

Example Template:3-el perm inversions [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 10:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:[[How to debug]] please enable php error reporting. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:I have done that, but the problem is when i try to import some template or create them manually.. the screen will just be white....wont display anything [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 06:45, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:Does apache error log say anything? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
::The Thing is I am not running it on server. I am using a hosting service. So i added error_reporting( -1 ); ini_set( 'display_errors', 1 ); at the begging of my localsetting and it display this error .
::'''Warning''': Use of undefined constant NS_POLICY - assumed 'NS_POLICY' (this will throw an Error in a future version of PHP) in '''/home/database/en.website/LocalSettings.php''' on line '''355'''
::'''Warning''': Use of undefined constant c - assumed 'c' (this will throw an Error in a future version of PHP) in '''/home/database/en.website.org/LocalSettings.php''' on line '''390'''
::'''Deprecated''': Caller from MediaWiki::restInPeace ignored an error originally raised from MediaWiki\Extension\Math\MathRenderer::readFromDatabase: [1146] Table 'Mydatabase.mwnq_mathoid' doesn't exist (localhost) in '''/home/database/en.website.org/includes/debug/MWDebug.php''' on line '''376'''
::on my '''LINE 355''' i Have $wgNamespaceProtection[NS_POLICY] = array( 'editpolicy' );
::on Line 390
::389 $wgImportTargetNamespace = null;
::390 $wgExportAllowHistory = c;
::391 $wgExportMaxHistory = 0;
::392 $wgExportMaxLinkDepth = 0; [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 08:49, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
::what its saying is that
::define("NS_POLICY", number of policy namespace here);
::Is either missing or after the namespace protection line instead of before it.
::i have no idea what you are trying to do with
::$wgExportAllowHistory = c;
::You probably meant true instead of c.
::And last of all, there is something wrong with math extension. Either run update.php or disable the extension (this is the major error) [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:Nope, it just wen blank...I have tried the code on some other new wiki and it seems to work perfect on there... so don't know why i am getting the error [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 08:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

== It's impossible to log in ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

[[Manual:Resetting passwords]]

Rested my password at least 10 times.

Email adress ? not working. Apparently I need to install an extra extension, thanks for telling me that, did not lose 30mn trying to find out why it wasn't working.

Using the script ? writes on the DB fine, still unable to login.

Modifying the database directly ? Still unable to login.

I'm litteraly copy pasting the password string I've inputed in all of that methods. Still unable to login.

Restarted apache. Reloaded apache. Restarted the entire machine.

Still. unable. to. login.

Apparently, for unknown black magic, my password is STILL wrong.

Please tell me what's happening. I'm losing my mind. [[User:Themistik|Themistik]] ([[User talk:Themistik|talk]]) 17:52, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:> Email adress? not working. Apparently I need to install an extra extension, thanks for telling me that, did not lose 30mn trying to find out why it wasn't working
:You don't? Idk even know what you could install that would be relavent. If you selected disable during the install process you would have to change it.
:To confirm, the error message is incorrect password? (And not say something about session hijacking)?
:For the purpose of debugging can you set your password to something else (as the following will reveal what it is to us):
:Can you enable mediawiki debug log (see [[How to debug]]) and give us the output when trying to login. Can you also include the row from the user table corresponding to your user and tell us what you think the password is? [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 19:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:It seems I do, because mail simply does not work, despite being the right mail adress. I saw a post on this board that you need to install an SMTP extension.
:Yes, the message is indeed incorrect password.
:I don't understand what kind of debug I'm supposed to choose, there is a ton of them. [[User:Themistik|Themistik]] ([[User talk:Themistik|talk]]) 19:49, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:I found out by changing my password to something simple, without letters, numbers or special characters.
:Apparently you're not allowed to put special characters into your password otherwise it will simply not work. Great major security issue here.
:Solved, but not really solved. [[User:Themistik|Themistik]] ([[User talk:Themistik|talk]]) 19:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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== Embeding FLAC ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

Is there a way to embed a flac file in a wiki page? "Media:" does not embed the way it does for OGG, it just creates a link on my Wiki. [[User:Andrew Branscom|Andrew Branscom]] ([[User talk:Andrew Branscom|talk]]) 01:40, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
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== Targeted harassment ==

I am being harassed across wikis by an IP user. Can someone direct me to the administrator noticeboard where I can receive assistance with this on Media Wiki? [[User:Citrivescence|Citrivescence]] ([[User talk:Citrivescence|talk]]) 02:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:Unless the harrasment is happening on this wiki (in which case see [[CoC]] or in a clear cut case pick a random active admin and leave a message on their talk page) we aren't the people to deal with it.
:For cross wikimedia (non-technical) project issues try https://meta.wikimedia.org especially https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Harassment [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 07:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

== How to securely appoint an helper editor? ==
{{Archive top|result=Superseded by Topic:Wil0u07fcqbxi336|status=resolved}}

MediaWiki 1.36.1, all core website, with just one user (for myself); only I and users I appoint can edit the website.

My website may be starting to become too large for me to maintain it myself and I would need to appoint an helper, a general content editor which by definition most of hers/his edits would be dwarf edits, typo fixing, wikization and alike.

Is there any guide on this particular problem and how to solve it? How to do it securely by any mean of information security? How to "correctly" monitor edits by the helper (maybe there is something extra to <code>contribs</code> available and handy without installing any extension?)

How would you suggest to do that? [[Special:Contributions/182.232.53.152|182.232.53.152]] ([[User talk:182.232.53.152|talk]]) 08:03, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:This topic just had a trolling attempt about 5 hours ago, I found it by chance. [[Special:Contributions/182.232.145.95|182.232.145.95]] ([[User talk:182.232.145.95|talk]]) 10:20, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:A better discussion may continue at:
:[[Topic:Wil0u07fcqbxi336]] [[Special:Contributions/182.232.145.95|182.232.145.95]] ([[User talk:182.232.145.95|talk]]) 10:20, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
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== White screen after forcing https ==
{{Archive top|result=The issue was related to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235554 and disabling output compression solved the issue.|status=resolved}}

I am running MW 1.35.0, MySQL 5.7.33, PHP 7.4 on shared webspace (ionos 1&1) and have recently activated a SSL-certificate for the page.

When I just set <code>$wgServer = "https:// ...;"</code> nothing happened.

When I set <code>$wgForceHTTPS = true;</code> The Wiki only shows a white page, no favicon. Oddly Special:Version loads nicely with a green and closed lock symbol.

I called my provider and everything seems to work fine on their end.

php-Error logs don't show anything.

Can someone point me to where else to look for a solution? Could it be some extension? Im using among others SemanticMediawiki, Lockdown, Skin:Chameleon

Any idea or hint is highly appreciated [[User:ThiloSch|ThiloSch]] ([[User talk:ThiloSch|talk]]) 09:27, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:Check the browser console and see if there are server responses erroring out and then see what error they give. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 11:22, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hi and thanks for your help.
:so meanwhile I could use the wiki with a secure connection on FireFox seemingly without issues. Chrome still showed a white screen with following Error in the browser console:
:<code>GET <Wiki address> net::ERR_HTTP2_PROTOCOL_ERROR 200</code>
:Also, but I don't know if this is related. After I tried to use HTTPS yesterday I couldn't log into the wiki using chrome this morning. The problem persisted even when I changed back to http. Is this a separate issue?
:Finally I stumbled across [[phab:T235554|this]] and now both issues went away. I only sort of know what I am doing here, so should I make sure output compression works?
:Thanks again [[User:ThiloSch|ThiloSch]] ([[User talk:ThiloSch|talk]]) 14:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
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== Update Mediawiki to latest ==

:I got an message sayijg i should update my mediawiki from 1.36.1 to 1.36.2.. SHould I? [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 09:28, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
::Yes, you should. [[User:Joseph202|Joseph202]] ([[User talk:Joseph202|talk]]) 15:09, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:Is that a serious question? [[Release notes/1.36]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 12:31, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:I am just asking if i wont loose my previous work [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 12:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:Usually nothing breaks with minor version changes so you might as well go ahead. There are some security patches so that's another reason to do it. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 13:47, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

== Pages permission by user ==

Is it possible to show pages to an AD group only? My Wiki has been set with LDAP config [[User:FedericoSalaEm|FedericoSalaEm]] ([[User talk:FedericoSalaEm|talk]]) 10:21, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:What did you mean by AD group? [[User:Tanbirzx|↠Tanbirzx]] [[User talk:Tanbirzx|(✉)]] 17:05, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

== Unable to edit over a VPN ==

Hi,

I have a mediawiki used as a user knowledgebase at work, in the office. But over a VPN from home, I can't edit, but I can read the pages. Pressing Save, or Preview, does nothing. Does anyone have any idea what am I doing wrong? [[User:CherryHinton|CherryHinton]] ([[User talk:CherryHinton|talk]]) 10:59, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:Have you checked the browser console ? Have you checked the webserver logs ? Have you checked the mediawiki debug log ? —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 11:21, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

== Easy way to find URL for an image? ==

I'm trying to put a background (watermark) image on a page and found this code:
<code><pre><div style="background-image: url('image_path');"></pre></code>
As I understand it, I'd need to log onto my host site's server to find this actual URL.

Isn't there any way for me to find the URL through my wiki's interface (like, on the image's page), rather than go through that rigmarole every time I need a URL? Seems like my wiki ought to be able to tell me, since obviously it's aware of it already. Somehow.

This is for a tiny personal wiki (MW v 1.35.1) where the images are internal to my site and everything on the wiki is mine.

Thanks if you can help! [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 11:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:I don't think you would use the file path. You could use the absolute URL from your wiki, e.g. on https://www.example.com/wiki/File:Background.jpg click on the image and it'll be something like https://www.example.com/wiki/images/a/b/Background.jpg [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 19:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:Ah right I see it now... I didn't think to look there. Many thanks!
:Still can't get it to show as a background image though. Nothing happens. Oh well, I'm not going to worry about this any more for now. [[User:RedKnight7|RedKnight7]] ([[User talk:RedKnight7|talk]]) 20:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
::So that should work (background-image in common.css). In your web browser there is an inspect element feature where you can see what css applies to an element which can help you figure out why its not working. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe you could include it using Common.css based on the page name. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:24, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:Nope, I tried it and it doesn't work. it's discussed here: [[Topic:T9xl4l0esx07loqq]]. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:30, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
::All they are saying over there is the person could not add it to common.css as they weren't an admin, but it should work fine if they were an admin. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
::I must have failed to make it work for some other reason :-) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:You can't include background-image in inline css (stylr attribute). You have to put it in mediawiki:common.css or use [[extension:TemplateStyles]]
:As Johnathan said, be sure to use a direct url to the image or thumbnail,not the file description page [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:22, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

== Skin Minerva styles ==

Hi,
It appears that my site (https://en.famepedia.org) is loading <code>skins.minerva.content.styles</code> instead of <code>skins.minerva.base.styles</code>...
Please how do I load <code>skins.minerva.base.styles</code> or is it possible to load both? [[User:Joseph202|Joseph202]] ([[User talk:Joseph202|talk]]) 15:13, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

== If statement in Template:Infobox breaking lines outside Infobox ==

Hello everyone, how are you?

I'm having a strange issue and I can't find a way to fix this.

I'm developing a New World wiki in portuguese language and I'm using an Infobox to display certain details about game items in my wiki. I started using #if and #ifeq statements so I can use parameters as optional. When I don't add them, they shouldn't show up. This is working correctly. However, whenever I don't add a specific parameter, a new paragraph/line break is created in the HTML just '''before''' the Infobox. This is quite strange and adds a lot of space between the wiki page title and the rest of the content, where my Infobox starts.

Does anyone know how to fix this weird behavior? I have no idea how.

This is the infobox template I'm using: https://newworld.wiki.br/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox

This is an example of page using this infobox template where I didn't add some parameters and for each parameter I don't add, a new paragraph line is inserted in the top of the content: https://newworld.wiki.br/wiki/Escudo_Circular_de_A%C3%A7o

As you can see, there are 5 paragraphs added with no content before the infobox.

Does anyone have a clue about what's going on?

I appreciate your help. [[Special:Contributions/2804:14D:90A8:8E77:D927:5272:C882:8F07|2804:14D:90A8:8E77:D927:5272:C882:8F07]] ([[User talk:2804:14D:90A8:8E77:D927:5272:C882:8F07|talk]]) 17:17, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:It's a pain in the neck, but all the line returns between your if statements are probably doing this.
:If that's the case, then one solution would be to make sure all the if statements are on one line.
:I think the line returns appear before the table because the if statements are outside the table structure, i.e. not within tr or td tags. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 19:48, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:I had a similar issue but with #if statements and inside the table. For me, it went away when I inserted the last pipe for the else statement.
:Could it possibly work if you wrap an if around the ifeq, so it only gets evaluated when the variable is not empty? [[User:ThiloSch|ThiloSch]] ([[User talk:ThiloSch|talk]]) 08:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:So, I tried almost EVERYTHING I could think of, with no success. The only thing I was able to change is that the line breaks are now inside the infobox and not outside. I found some help in other Wiki pages, such as Help:Conditional_tables in Wikipedia and Help:Table#Conditional_table_row in MediaWiki.
:I was able to arrive to this code, closer to what they provide:
:<code>
:{| class="infobox {{#ifeq: {{{raridade|}}} | Comum | comum }}{{#ifeq: {{{raridade|}}} | Incomum | incomum }}{{#ifeq: {{{raridade|}}} | Raro | raro }}{{#ifeq: {{{raridade|}}} | Épico | epico }}{{#ifeq: {{{raridade|}}} | Lendário | lendario }}"
: <tr class="topo">
: <td style="text-align:left; width: 22%;">{{image}}</td>
: <td><h3>{{PAGENAME}}</h3><div class="categoria">{{categoria}}</div>{{#if:{{{raridade|}}}|<div class="raridade">{{{raridade}}}</div>}}</td>
: </tr>
:{{#if:{{{pontuacao|}}}|{{!}}-
:! {{{pontuacao}}}
:{{!}} Pontuação do Equipamento
:}}
:{{#if:{{{dano|}}}|{{!}}-
:! {{{dano}}}
:{{!}} Dano
:}}
:{{#if:{{{chance|}}}|{{!}}-
:! {{{chance}}}
:{{!}} Chance de Acerto Crítico
:}}
:{{#if:{{{multiplicador|}}}|{{!}}-
:! {{{multiplicador}}}
:{{!}} Multiplicador de Dano Crítico
:}}
:{{#if:{{{bloquear|}}}|{{!}}-
:! {{{bloquear}}}
:{{!}} Bloquear Dano de Vigor}}
:{{#if:{{{estabilidade|}}}|{{!}}-
:! {{{estabilidade}}}
:{{!}} Estabilidade de Bloqueio}}
:{{#if:{{{armadurafisico|}}}|{{!}}-
:! {{{armadurafisico}}}
:{{!}} Avaliação da Armadura - Físico{{!}}-
:! {{{armaduraelemental}}}
:{{!}} Avaliação da Armadura - Elemental}}
:{{#if:{{{danocortante|}}}|{{!}}-
:! [[File:Dano-Cortante-icon.png]] {{{danocortante}}}
:{{!}} Dano Cortante}}
:{{#if:{{{danocontundente|}}}|{{!}}-
:! [[File:Dano-Contundente-icon.png]] {{{danocontundente}}}
:{{!}} Dano Contundente}}
:{{#if:{{{danoperfurante|}}}|{{!}}-
:! [[File:Dano-Perfurante-icon.png]] {{{danoperfurante}}}
:{{!}} Dano Perfurante}}
:{{#if:{{{danoimaterial|}}}|{{!}}-
:! [[File:Dano-Imaterial-icon.png]] {{{danoimaterial}}}
:{{!}} Dano Imaterial}}
:{{#if:{{{danodegelo|}}}|{{!}}-
:! [[File:Dano-de-Gelo-icon.png]] {{{danodegelo}}}
:{{!}} Dano de Gelo}}
:{{#if:{{{danoarcano|}}}|{{!}}-
:! [[File:Dano-Arcano-icon.png]] {{{danoarcano}}}
:{{!}} Dano Arcano}}
:{{#if:{{{bonus1|}}}|{{!}}-
:! [[File:Bonus-icon.png]]
:{{!}} {{{bonus1}}}}}
:{{#if:{{{bonus2|}}}|{{!}}-
:! [[File:Bonus-icon.png]]
:{{!}} {{{bonus2}}}}}
:|}
:</code>
:I just don't have a clue on why I would add ifnotempty instead of #if.
:However, I still get the problem. Tables and #if conditionals just really don't work together in wiki! Mostly it seems to be because the | (pipe) character, which you should change to {{!}} so they are not part of the #if parserfunction.
:However, I tried so many times for the past 3 days and I didn't achieve a simple result of not getting a line break in the wrong place! This is so disappointing. The only thing I could see is the line breaks when I have multiple blank conditionals. It's the blank ones that are not working very well.
:If anyone knows how to overcome this, please help.
:Thanks a lot again. [[Special:Contributions/2804:14D:90A8:8251:2531:3AD3:8BF8:1734|2804:14D:90A8:8251:2531:3AD3:8BF8:1734]] ([[User talk:2804:14D:90A8:8251:2531:3AD3:8BF8:1734|talk]]) 20:46, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:This is the actual code I tried:
:<nowiki>
:<nowiki><tr class="topo"></nowiki><nowiki><td style="text-align:left; width: 22%;"></nowiki><nowiki>{{{image}}}</nowiki><nowiki></td></nowiki><nowiki><td></nowiki><nowiki><h3>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki><nowiki></h3></nowiki><nowiki><div class="categoria">{{{categoria}}}</nowiki><nowiki></div></nowiki><nowiki>{{#if:{{{raridade|}}}|<div class="raridade">{{{raridade}}}</div>}}</nowiki><nowiki></td></nowiki><nowiki></tr></nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{#if:</nowiki><nowiki>{{{pontuacao|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:{| class="infobox <nowiki>{{#ifeq: {{{raridade|}}} | Comum | comum }}</nowiki><nowiki>{{#ifeq: {{{raridade|}}} | Incomum | incomum }}</nowiki><nowiki>{{#ifeq: {{{raridade|}}} | Raro | raro }}</nowiki><nowiki>{{#ifeq: {{{raridade|}}} | Épico | epico }}</nowiki><nowiki>{{#ifeq: {{{raridade|}}} | Lendário | lendario }}</nowiki>"
:!<nowiki>{{{pontuacao}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Pontuação do <nowiki> </nowiki>Equipamento
:<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{#if:</nowiki><nowiki>{{{dano|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:!<nowiki>{{{dano}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Dano
:<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{#if:</nowiki><nowiki>{{{chance|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:!<nowiki>{{{chance}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Chance de Acerto Crítico
:<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{#if:</nowiki><nowiki>{{{multiplicador|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:! <nowiki>{{{multiplicador}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Multiplicador de Dano Crítico
:<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
:{{#if:<nowiki>{{{bloquear|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:! <nowiki>{{{bloquear}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Bloquear Dano de Vigor}}
:{{#if:<nowiki>{{{estabilidade|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:! <nowiki>{{{estabilidade}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Estabilidade de Bloqueio}}
:{{#if:<nowiki>{{{armadurafisico|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:! <nowiki>{{{armadurafisico}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Avaliação da Armadura - Físico<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:! <nowiki>{{{armaduraelemental}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Avaliação da Armadura - Elemental}}
:{{#if:<nowiki>{{{danocortante|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:! <nowiki>[[File:Dano-Cortante-icon.png]]</nowiki> <nowiki>{{{danocortante}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Dano Cortante}}
:{{#if:<nowiki>{{{danocontundente|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:! <nowiki>[[File:Dano-Contundente-icon.png]]</nowiki> <nowiki>{{{danocontundente}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Dano Contundente}}
:{{#if:<nowiki>{{{danoperfurante|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:! <nowiki>[[File:Dano-Perfurante-icon.png]]</nowiki> <nowiki>{{{danoperfurante}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Dano Perfurante}}
:{{#if:<nowiki>{{{danoimaterial|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:! <nowiki>[[File:Dano-Imaterial-icon.png]]</nowiki> <nowiki>{{{danoimaterial}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Dano Imaterial}}
:{{#if:<nowiki>{{{danodegelo|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:! <nowiki>[[File:Dano-de-Gelo-icon.png]]</nowiki> <nowiki>{{{danodegelo}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Dano de Gelo}}
:{{#if:<nowiki>{{{danoarcano|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:! <nowiki>[[File:Dano-Arcano-icon.png]]</nowiki> <nowiki>{{{danoarcano}}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> Dano Arcano}}
:{{#if:<nowiki>{{{bonus1|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:<nowiki>! [[File:Bonus-icon.png]]</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> <nowiki>{{{bonus1}}}</nowiki>}}
:{{#if:<nowiki>{{{bonus2|}}}</nowiki>|<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki>-
:<nowiki>! [[File:Bonus-icon.png]]</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> <nowiki>{{{bonus2}}}</nowiki>}}
:|}
:</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/2804:14D:90A8:8251:2531:3AD3:8BF8:1734|2804:14D:90A8:8251:2531:3AD3:8BF8:1734]] ([[User talk:2804:14D:90A8:8251:2531:3AD3:8BF8:1734|talk]]) 20:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:I couldn't make sense of that code even from the source but have you tried putting all the if statements on one line? e.g.
:<syntaxhighlight>
{{#if:....|...}}{{#if:...|...}}{{#if:...|...}}
</syntaxhighlight>
:If you're using tables it's probably easier to just use the table/tr/td html tags rather than wikitext.
:Also you could use a div instead of a table for the infobox. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

== Warning someone that you're leaving the wiki ==

Is there any existing extension or tool that warns readers that they're leaving the wiki? It's common for some types of websites and usually displays a message like "You are now leaving OurSite.com for an external site. OurSite is not responsible for the content of other websites". Does that exist in MediaWiki? [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 20:37, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
:Personally i find those types of things annoying.
:We do have it for certain special cases - e.g. [[special:search/google:foo]], where open redirects can happen (open redirect is a type of security vuln where you trick a person into thinking they are on a different website than they actually are. Its sometimes used in phishing attacks)
:So outside of open redirects, no i'm not aware of anything. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 16:17, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:You may be able to just intercept any external link click and show some alert dialog using JavaScript in MediaWiki:Common.js
:<code> $(document).on( 'click', 'a.external', function() { alert( 'You are leaving ' + mw.config.get('wgSiteName') ); } );</code>
:But that of course will only work for clients with JavaScript enabled. [[User:Osnard|Osnard]] ([[User talk:Osnard|talk]]) 12:43, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

== Exclude redirects from search results ==

It looks like this has been discussed a lot over the years, usually beginning with questions like mine here (I'd really like to have redirects excluded from search results). What's the current situation on this? I wasn't able to find a definitive answer. Thanks. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:37, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

== Call to undefined function enableSemantics() ==

hello i am having problems in my wiki to install semantic mediawiki, i followed the steps as mentioned in the [https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Installation/Using_Composer_with_MediaWiki_1.25%2B official page] but when enabling the enableSemantics function ( ), mediawiki shows me the following error:

[932dc61b19f096e65daeff2b] / wiki / mw-config /? Page = ExistingWiki Error: Call to undefined function enableSemantics ()

I have no idea what it could be but is there a solution? [[User:Gota de agua|Gota de agua]] ([[User talk:Gota de agua|talk]]) 02:08, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:Please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar, plus [[Manual:How to debug]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 05:25, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Malyacko}}, Well, I already tried to get more details about this error, apparently I have not been able to find more details it always shows only that "Call to undefined function enableSemantics ()" error, I don't know if this also has to do with the installation problem of the extension validator, as far as I know, is a dependency for semantic mediawiki, these are the resources installed in my wiki:
:{| class="wikitable"
:!Producto
:!Versión
:|-
:|[https://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki]
:|1.36.2
:|-
:|[https://php.net/ PHP]
:|7.3.27-1~deb10u1 (cgi-fcgi)
:|-
:|[https://www.mysql.com/ MySQL]
:|5.5.62-0+deb8u1
:|-
:|[http://site.icu-project.org/ ICU]
:|63.1
:|-
:|[https://www.lua.org/ Lua]
:|5.1.5
:|} [[User:Gota de agua|Gota de agua]] ([[User talk:Gota de agua|talk]]) 15:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:Please provide a stacktrace of the error. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

== download old e-mails into TRASH in mass? ==

download old e-mails in mass into trash (1200) ? [[Special:Contributions/23.84.48.89|23.84.48.89]] ([[User talk:23.84.48.89|talk]]) 04:27, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:"Before you post" here in sidebar? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 05:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

== Footer links ==

Hello,

I would like to remove from the footer the imprint, the privacy notice and the about us text. I have a theme which adapts XenForo and MediaWiki, where the style is passed along, so I don't need that anymore. How can I remove this?

I do not want to use CSS because of SEO.

Kind regards

~Nicklas

[https://ibb.co/vsVdd3x View image] [[User:RealStaticDev|RealStaticDev]] ([[User talk:RealStaticDev|talk]]) 06:08, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, have you tried the search? [[Manual:Footer]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 07:16, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:Hello, yes I have already tried 3 hours around but I am to no ergebniss gekommem. Do you know how I can solve this? [[Special:Contributions/2003:D3:A70B:8600:98D2:76F9:E9B4:F4EA|2003:D3:A70B:8600:98D2:76F9:E9B4:F4EA]] ([[User talk:2003:D3:A70B:8600:98D2:76F9:E9B4:F4EA|talk]]) 12:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:Generally you can just edit the relevant message page so that it's a hyphen only. Has that not worked?
:"To remove the privacy, about and/or disclaimer links entirely, replace the link text with a single dash ("<code>-</code>")." [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 18:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

== Bug/CSS: list of other projets overlapping with their logos ==

Hello,

I was redirected from Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T293046 . Please see the ticket for details.

I would like to report and potentially fix a bug reported in some wikis. How to fix a bug on local wiki (e.g. https://ar.wikiversity.org/) ? [[User:ForzaGreen|ForzaGreen]] ([[User talk:ForzaGreen|talk]]) 07:45, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:You check and fix the CSS for "li.wb-otherproject-link" on the page "MediaWiki:Common.css" [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 14:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

== Maps not loading with Form ==

Hi, We are facing issue to load Maps if we are using pageform /forms on same page.

Maps bwlow js are not loading properly.

'''<script src="//maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/js?language=en&amp;amp;amp;key=XXXXXXXXXXXXXX"></script>'''

'''"ext.maps.googlemaps3","ext.maps.googlemaps3ajax"'''

MediaWiki 1.35.3

PHP 7.4.23 (apache2handler)

MySQL 8.0.26

Maps :9.0

PageForms :5.2.1

---Maps & Page from text -----------------------------------

{{IIA map heading}}<div style="float:left; width:600px">
<nowiki>{{#ask: </nowiki>[[coordinates::+]]<nowiki> |limit=20000|?coordinates|?BASIN |format=map |type=hybrid |hidenamespace=on |kml=url |searchmarkers=all }}</nowiki>

{{Special:RunQuery/carbonate seismic atlas querys}}.
</div> [[User:Pooja2425|Pooja2425]] ([[User talk:Pooja2425|talk]]) 09:53, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

== Wiki SEO confg ==

How do Configure the Description on google with . [[Extension:WikiSEO]]

I know this is the setting

{{#seo:|title_mode=append|title=Example SEO Wiki|keywords=WikiSEO, SEO, MediaWiki|description=An example description for this wiki|image=Wiki_Logo.png|image_alt=Wiki Logo|site_name=Example SEO Wiki|locale=en_EN|type=website|modified_time={{REVISIONYEAR}}-{{REVISIONMONTH}}-{{REVISIONDAY2}}|published_time=2020-11-01}}

Apart from putting it in my Mainpage, where can i insert it? [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 13:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:You can put the #seo thing on any page. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

== How to backup sqlite ==

I thought the only backup i need is for the <wiki>.sqlite file. But the following restore fails:

#A new wiki container (no database or LocalSettings.php file)
#Download the <wiki>.sqlite file
#Go through the new wiki wizard in browser. It detects there is an existing files and suggest to update it
#Copy the LocalSettings.php file to the wiki

When I open the wiki I get an error: Error 1: no such table: l10n_cache

I didn't backup the I10n_cache file, since it is not mentioned in [[Manual:SQLite/Back-up]] and also its name suggests it is something that can be recreated.

How do I fix this? [[Special:Contributions/84.111.224.227|84.111.224.227]] ([[User talk:84.111.224.227|talk]]) 13:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:you can use the sqlite command line tool to create a new db.
:sqlite3 wiki.l10n_cache.sqlite
:And then give it the following input
:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
CREATE TABLE l10n_cache (
lc_lang BLOB NOT NULL,
lc_key TEXT NOT NULL,
lc_value BLOB NOT NULL,
PRIMARY KEY (lc_lang, lc_key)
);
PRAGMA journal_mode=WAL;
</syntaxhighlight>
:Which should recreate the l10n table. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 04:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

== Dead Wiki ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

Hey guys,

so I just stumbled upon a wiki called "logopaediewiki.de"

And I wanted to add stuff, so I tried to make a account, but it gives me a error message.

Something like "The E-Mail can not be send, there's a php error".

The thing is, the last time someone has edited something on the page was in 2017.

So I guess that the admin is not taking care of the site anymore and no one can add or edit anything because he can't/won't fix that issue.

Is there anyway to get that fixed to use that wiki? [[Special:Contributions/2001:16B8:10E5:D200:5823:8FA0:DE4D:518C|2001:16B8:10E5:D200:5823:8FA0:DE4D:518C]] ([[User talk:2001:16B8:10E5:D200:5823:8FA0:DE4D:518C|talk]]) 16:03, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:We dont control that wiki. You would have to contact whomever is in charge of it [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 20:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
[[User:Velashi|Velashi]] ([[User talk:Velashi|talk]]) 13:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:Found him. Thanks. [[User:Velashi|Velashi]] ([[User talk:Velashi|talk]]) 13:38, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== Mediawiki Extensions ==

Hope all are well.

Wondering if there is a page i can find extensions, specifically for version 1.31.10? Seems like all the extensions i want (i.e. wikieditor) are not compatible due to this old version and i do not want to update this version and lose all my work. [[User:Thepainking|Thepainking]] ([[User talk:Thepainking|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
:WikiEditor is definitely compatibe. You might have to download the REL1_31 branch directly from github though. https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-WikiEditor/archive/refs/heads/REL1_31.zip
:However we strongly encourage upgrading and upgrading does not delete any data. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 20:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

== Dropdown menu of pages not showing. ==

When clicking on "More" to "Delete", "Move" or "Protect" a page, there is this little dropdown selection... but it won't show. Only the little arrow next to "More" is switching up or down.

https://rammwiki.net/
{| class="wikitable"
|[https://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki]
|1.36.2
|-
|[https://php.net/ PHP]
|7.4.13 (cgi-fcgi)
|-
|[https://mariadb.org/ MariaDB]
|10.3.23-MariaDB-0+deb10u1
|-
|[http://site.icu-project.org/ ICU]
|57.1
|-
|[http://www.lua.org/ Lua]
|5.1.5
|} [[User:Rasputin 93|Rasputin 93]] ([[User talk:Rasputin 93|talk]]) 19:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

== Loading Minerva Base Styles ==

Hi, It appears that my site ([https://en.famepedia.org/ https://en.famepedia.org]) is loading <code>skins.minerva.content.styles</code> instead of <code>skins.minerva.base.styles</code>... Please how do I load <code>skins.minerva.base.styles</code> or is it possible to load both?

Any one has Idea??? [[User:Joseph202|Joseph202]] ([[User talk:Joseph202|talk]]) 20:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

== Can not log in to another media wiki called "Schnupptrupp" ==

Hello, I need help because I cannot log in to another wiki called "Schnupptrupp". Please help, thank you :) [[User:König Molinox|König Molinox]] ([[User talk:König Molinox|talk]]) 00:21, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:Contact the owner of that wiki. We have no control over their wiki. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 04:37, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

== MW migration problems ==

Hi,

we are using multiple MW instances ($wgVersion = '1.19.2';) on an old MS Server 2008 R2 with PHP 5.3.2

Now I´m trying to migrate this MWs wo a new server: Ubuntu - Apache2 - MySQL - PHP 7.4 - MW 1.36.2

First Problem is, I cannot simply copy the MW and the database to the new server, because of the newer PHP version.

What would be the correct way to migrate the old MWs to the new server with PHP 7.4 and MW 1.36.2?

Thy for the help! [[User:Horst0r|Horst0r]] ([[User talk:Horst0r|talk]]) 07:32, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:There was a similar question here recently. You download the new software on the new server, transfer across the database and your own files (including LocalSettings.php), then run update.php. There's a page about upgrading and a page about moving a wiki that should help.
:Check what version to move to first. I think it might have to be in steps - to 1.35 first maybe? It's mentioned on the upgrade page. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 10:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Jonathan3}} thx for the hint, I will give it a try to update the old MW in multiple steps; hopefully this will work; [[User:Horst0r|Horst0r]] ([[User talk:Horst0r|talk]]) 13:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:Good luck.
:The [[upgrading]] page says:
:If you are '''upgrading to MediaWiki 1.36''' or later, only upgrades from the last two LTS releases will be supported ([[phab:T259771]]). This will mean that for very old versions, that you first upgrade to MediaWiki 1.35 and then upgrade to 1.36. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 13:59, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:hmm, for my understanding I will have to follow the following upgrade path, as mentioned under "[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#How_do_I_upgrade_from_a_really_old_version?_In_one_step,_or_in_several_steps? How do I upgrade from a really old version?]":
:1.19.2 --> 1.5.8 --> 1.35.4 --> 1.36.2 [[User:Horst0r|Horst0r]] ([[User talk:Horst0r|talk]]) 10:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:Version numbers aren't like decimal numbers. So 1.19 is newer than 1.5. So you wouldn't need to go via 1.5.8. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Jonathan3}} sorry, my bad. Thanks for the hint!
:I have two MWs to migrate;
:1.15.3 --> 1.35.4 --> 1.36.2
:1.19.2 --> 1.35.4 --> 1.36.2
:hopefully this works; [[User:Horst0r|Horst0r]] ([[User talk:Horst0r|talk]]) 08:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

== User Page Design ==

Hello everyone,

I notice this new feature on simple wiki on User page

'''Special:Homepage'''

https://paste.pics/995398f21101ee2bcff79c59170c785d

What Extension would i use or how.

How do i activate

'''Newcomer homepage''' [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 08:51, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:[[Extension:GrowthExperiments]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 10:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

== update.php error 1.31 -> 1.35: duplicate database entry ==
{{Archive top|result=Odd records in logging table. Applying a simple DB update via SQL (preferably before running update.php) solves the problem..|status=resolved}}

Howdy,

we are migrating from MW 1.31.15 (PHP 7.2.24, MySQL 5.7.34) to 1.35.4 (PHP 7.4.24, same DB). When running update.php, I get:

<nowiki><code></nowiki>

Beginning migration of logging.log_user and logging.log_user_text to logging.log_actor

... log_id=100

... log_id=200

...

... log_id=4800

Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError from line 1699 of /var/www/test/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php: Error 1062: Duplicate entry <nowiki>''</nowiki> for key 'actor_name' (localhost)

Function: MigrateActors::addActorsForRows

Query: INSERT INTO `actor` (actor_name) VALUES (<nowiki>''</nowiki>)

<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/test/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1683): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->getQueryException()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 /var/www/test/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1658): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->getQueryExceptionAndLog()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/test/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(1227): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->reportQueryError()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/test/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(2343): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->query()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/test/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php(2323): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->doInsert()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/test/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/DBConnRef.php(68): Wikimedia\Rdbms\Database->insert()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/test/mediawiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/DBConnRef.php(369): Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBConnRef->__call()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/test/mediawiki/maintenance/includes/MigrateActors.php(219): Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBConnRef->insert()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/test/mediawiki/maintenance/includes/MigrateActors.php(305): MigrateActors->addActorsForRows()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/test/mediawiki/maintenance/includes/MigrateActors.php(115): MigrateActors->migrate()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/test/mediawiki/maintenance/includes/LoggedUpdateMaintenance.php(45): MigrateActors->doDBUpdates()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /var/www/test/mediawiki/includes/installer/DatabaseUpdater.php(1385): LoggedUpdateMaintenance->execute()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /var/www/test/mediawiki/includes/installer/DatabaseUpdater.php(554): DatabaseUpdater->migrateActors()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /var/www/test/mediawiki/includes/installer/DatabaseUpdater.php(517): DatabaseUpdater->runUpdates()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>14 /var/www/test/mediawiki/maintenance/update.php(181): DatabaseUpdater->doUpdates()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>15 /var/www/test/mediawiki/maintenance/doMaintenance.php(107): UpdateMediaWiki->execute()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>16 /var/www/test/mediawiki/maintenance/update.php(253): require_once('/var/www/test/m...')

<nowiki>#</nowiki>17 {main}

<nowiki></code></nowiki>

I would like to ask if there is a script to cleanup the database, or whatelse I could do to avoid the error. Kind regards, K. [[Special:Contributions/2003:C2:3F22:8200:ADF6:543E:2092:8D2|2003:C2:3F22:8200:ADF6:543E:2092:8D2]] ([[User talk:2003:C2:3F22:8200:ADF6:543E:2092:8D2|talk]]) 16:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:Looks like your logging table has some rows with log_user_text empty but different log_user.
:You can try to set them to an "external" user and see if that works. Example:
:<code> update logging set log_user_text = 'unknown>unknown' where log_user_text = '';''</code> [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 17:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you, I'll try that tomorrow. After the DB update, can I simply re-run the update.php script or will I have to clear or prepare the DB tables prior to that? [[Special:Contributions/2003:C2:3F22:8200:9C76:A21A:B4C4:D86A|2003:C2:3F22:8200:9C76:A21A:B4C4:D86A]] ([[User talk:2003:C2:3F22:8200:9C76:A21A:B4C4:D86A|talk]]) 18:15, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:I found out all of the odd logging records were from the year 2007, long before I came along. After applying the update to the logging table, I re-run update.php script. The script is stable, it continues working where it stopped before.
:Problem solved, thanks a lot! [[Special:Contributions/2003:C2:3F22:8200:3D5E:3CF4:4409:5FFA|2003:C2:3F22:8200:3D5E:3CF4:4409:5FFA]] ([[User talk:2003:C2:3F22:8200:3D5E:3CF4:4409:5FFA|talk]]) 08:52, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
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== Upgrading from 1.34 ==

:I am fairly sure it should be possible to upgrade straight to 1.36 but is this right?
:The wording on the upgrading page isn't entirely clear, at least to me! Thanks. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:48, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
::You can do that without doubt. And most welcome. [[User:Tanbirzx|↠Tanbirzx]] [[User talk:Tanbirzx|(✉)]] 12:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure that's right. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 23:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks. It looked like to get to 1.36 you had to be on a LTS version, but that wouldn't make sense on an ongoing basis. It must mean you need to be starting from ''no earlier than'' the relevant LTS version. Which in my case I think is 1.31. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 16:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

== Why does Timeless, a core skin, contains about 300KB of resources in each webpage load? ==

MediaWiki 1.36.1 with Timeless skin in Hebrew.

When I test any MediaWiki webpage of my website in ''Google Pagespeed Insights'' (GPI) I get these two resource webpages:

*example.com/load.php?lang=he&modules=startup&only=scripts&raw=1&skin=timeless
*example.com/load.php?lang=he&modules=skins.timeless&only=styles&skin=timeless

Both webpages contain about '''35201''' characters (about 4MB in size each) which is a huge amount of JavaScript and CSS for "wiki pages" (mostly if not only containing text).

Maybe it does with the fact that my website is Hebrew (due to the <code>lang=he</code> query string).

I assume that my SEO could have been much better if I wouldn't have to load so much JavaScript and CSS in any webpage.

Please opine about what to do (or not to do) with this situation. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.134.86|49.230.134.86]] ([[User talk:49.230.134.86|talk]]) 03:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:You're not just counting timeless there, most of it is probably base mediawiki not timeless.
:35201 characters = 35 kb (?)
:But the answer is probably related to the choice of embedding images used in ui inside css. Which has a lot of pros and cons for performance (probably less useful on sites using http/2).
:If you don't like it, i guess use a different skin. However i'm doubtful this affects SEO. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 05:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|Bawolff}}
:Sorry, yes, 8KB not 8MB, I confused.
:My website is imageless in general (doesn't even have an image logo).
:From what I recall, none of my article webpages was ever loaded with any (skin-originated) image.
:The errors in PGI are:
:*Remove unused JavaScript
:*Eliminate render blocking resources
:I also found another JavaScript file with '''278,970''' characters (275KB):<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
example.com/load.php?lang=he&modules=jquery%2Csite%7Cjquery.client%7Cmediawiki.String%2CTitle%2Capi%2Cbase%2Ccldr%2CjqueryMsg%2Clanguage%2Cutil%7Cmediawiki.libs.pluralruleparser%7Cmediawiki.page.ready%7Cskins.timeless.js%7Cuser.defaults&skin=timeless&version=40y9s
</syntaxhighlight>Why would such a large file get loaded alongside any webpage?... [[Special:Contributions/49.230.134.86|49.230.134.86]] ([[User talk:49.230.134.86|talk]]) 06:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:> Why would such a large file get loaded alongside any webpage?
:Because MediaWiki is a complicated website, with lots of different functionalities that it has to facilitate.
:> I also found another JavaScript file with 278,970 characters (275KB):
:This query, fetches the jQuery framework, string utilities, title parsing, api clients, language information, translation information, the initial page setup and timeless specific javascript. All functionality needed.
:> I assume that my SEO could have been much better
:I very much doubt that. This is peanuts compared to something like the website of the New York Times. People are obsessed over SEO in the wrong places. SEO primarily is a function of content and interest. Only after that performance starts mattering. Have good content and SEO will follow. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ (Not WMF)]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 09:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|TheDJ}}
:A website being "complicated" doesn't justify loading so much content for webpages of a heading and text.
:Why not load only what's really needed per each page?
:(did you develop that?)
:SEO is much more than "the function of content and interest" and program performance (amount of load content, loading times, code quality, etc.) has a great role in it from my personal experience with various CMSs and from the experience of everyone I know that do it professionally. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.134.86|49.230.134.86]] ([[User talk:49.230.134.86|talk]]) 15:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
::"Why not load only what's really needed per each page?" That is already the case. If you think it is not, then feel free to locally experiment with somehow loading less things. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 13:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{FlowMention|ערן}}
:Is there any connection to Hebrew? If so, how would you in Hebrew wiki deal with that? [[Special:Contributions/49.230.20.227|49.230.20.227]] ([[User talk:49.230.20.227|talk]]) 07:37, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:You can replace the lang to en (either by changing the URLs about from lang=he to lang=en, or loading the original page with uselang=en parameter, or if you have admin access change the language in LocalSettings.php and compare to en. I doubt Hebrew have much to contribute here.
:You can also load the page with debug=1 parameter - this will ask MW to load the resources separately and can help to deduce what are the resources that consume more size. (note that in this mode there is no minification) [[User:ערן|Eran]] ([[User talk:ערן|talk]]) 07:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

== Sidebar image ==

I want to add an image to the sidebar of my site with an external link. When I edit Mediawiki:Sidebar the image is successfully added and the link works, but when I refresh the sidebar the image does not appear.

www.jerripedia.org
{| class="wikitable"
!Product
!Version
|-
|[http://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki]
|1.17.2
|-
|[http://www.php.net/ PHP]
|5.6.40 (litespeed)
|-
|[http://www.mysql.com/ MySQL]
|10.3.31-MariaDB-log-cll-lve
|} [[User:Mikebisson|Mikebisson]] ([[User talk:Mikebisson|talk]]) 08:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:Your software version has been unmaintained for nine years and is full of security issues. Please upgrade first for your own safety. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 15:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:Also the sidebar doesn't support adding images. It's only for links, and a different link text at best [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 17:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

== Struggling with Pretty URLs | No Root Access ==

I want to rewrite my URLs from:

'''example.com/w/index.php/Main_Page'''

to

'''example.com/wiki/Main_Page'''

I've done this before, several years ago, with the same hosting provider and similar instructions. I am not exactly a newby, but I am not super-knowledgeable - I'm starting over, and I'd like to get this task done before I add many more articles.

Most of the steps I've followed simply lead me to 404 errors or worse.

'''However'''...

I have followed various manuals over recent days, and somehow have currently arrived at the following result:

'''example.com/w/Main_Page'''

Note that the '''/index.php''' section of the URL is now gone. '''Progress'''? Maybe. It makes me want to leave well enough alone while I determine why I'm getting '''/w''' out of my rewrite rules instead of '''/wiki''', but I am more than willing to reset my '''.htaccess''' and '''LocalSettings.php''' files back to their original state if you think I should start from scratch. I'm open to ideas because it's really important to be to get this done.

'''My files:'''

'''.htaccess'''

<code><IfModule mod_rewrite.c></code>

<code>RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_URI} !-f</code>

<code>RewriteCond %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_URI} !-d</code>

<code>RewriteRule ^(.*)$ %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/w/index.php [L]</code>

<code></IfModule></code>

'''LocalSettings.php'''

<code>$wgScriptPath = "/w";</code>

<code>$wgArticlePath = "{$wgScriptPath}/$1";</code>

<code>$wgUsePathInfo = false;</code>

<code>$wgScriptExtension = ".php";</code>

Please let me know if I haven't provided enough information. I'm really trying here.

Thanks in advance for reading. I look forward to more ideas. I just feel like I'm missing something obvious because I'm up in the middle of the night. [[User:Ikevinax|Ikevinax]] ([[User talk:Ikevinax|talk]]) 10:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:Try:
:.htaccess
:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_URI} !-f
RewriteCond %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_URI} !-d
RewriteRule ^/?wiki/(.*)$ %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/w/index.php [L]
</IfModule>
</syntaxhighlight>
:LocalSettings.php
:<syntaxhighlight lang='text'>
$wgScriptPath = "/w";
$wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1";
$wgUsePathInfo = false;
$wgScriptExtension = ".php";
</syntaxhighlight> [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 17:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks so much, but it didn't work. It looked ''similar'' to steps I've tried. I gave it a shot anyway. Strangely, it rewrites the URL exactly right, but the pages do not load. I get a 404 error. [[User:Ikevinax|Ikevinax]] ([[User talk:Ikevinax|talk]]) 00:30, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:I assume your wiki is installed at %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/w/. Is that correct? [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 09:36, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:I think $wgScriptPath is to do with the URL rather than the file path so how about trying <code>$wgScriptPath = "/wiki";</code>?
:On my .htaccess I have <code>RewriteRule ^(.*)$ %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/index.php [L]</code> so how about trying <code>RewriteRule ^/?wiki/(.*)$ %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/index.php [L]></code> (i.e. without the <code>/w</code>).
:Maybe try without <code>$wgUsePathInfo = false;</code>. I used to use this but had to change it when changing from someone's home computer to a shared host years ago. Now I just leave it to whatever the default is.
:Maybe try without <code>$wgScriptExtension = ".php";</code>. It was removed in MW 1.31. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 20:13, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
:The article path should not be inside or the same as the script path. [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 21:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
:I think it would be ok for script path to be /wiki and article path to be /wiki/$1
:Not 100% sure but worth trying? [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 22:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
:<code><IfModule mod_rewrite.c></code>
:<code>RewriteEngine On RewriteCond %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_URI} !-f</code>
:<code>RewriteCond %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_URI} !-d</code>
:<code>RewriteRule ^(.*)$ %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/w/index.php [L]</code>
:<code></IfModule></code> [[Special:Contributions/82.222.61.58|82.222.61.58]] ([[User talk:82.222.61.58|talk]]) 07:05, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:We will get there in the end! [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 08:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:Everything is inside IfModule mod_rewrite.c
:Maybe mod_rewrite is not enabled, or even the .htaccess is completely ignored (no Option Override) [[User:Ciencia Al Poder|Ciencia Al Poder]] ([[User talk:Ciencia Al Poder|talk]]) 18:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

== Wiki corrupt after upgrade ==
{{Archive top|status=resolved}}

My wiki got somehow/somewhere corrupt during, as I expect, an upgrade.

I am not using it often so I didnt discovered it directly, I assume the update is done automatically done by Installatron from my provider. The wiki first was setup somewhere in 2015.

First I thought I lost my password, because I was able not able to logon. However the forgot my password links wore not working for the admin user. So I created a new user and discovered that the orginal admin user was gone, also the page content is completly gone.

Offcourse I don't have any backup from a working version :( The backup I have is also containing a corrupted wiki.

Is there a way to recover the content without a backup? [[User:Jerroen12|Jerroen12]] ([[User talk:Jerroen12|talk]]) 18:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:It's all stored in the database so I guess you could look in there to begin with. Good luck. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe you'd like to contact "Installatron"... [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 13:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

== I want to know my login details ==

I want to know my login details.

I have the same email address as used in creating my account.

I think my name is GarrisonRoo but I am not sure ... and I have forgotten my password.

Kind regards,

Garry Richards

garrynrichards@gmail.com [[Special:Contributions/116.240.37.54|116.240.37.54]] ([[User talk:116.240.37.54|talk]]) 00:41, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:[[User:GarrisonRoo]] is not a registered user on mediawiki.org. For other websites, please contact other websites. Thanks. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 13:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

== How can I make the headings white? ==

I want to make all the headings white in '''class=darkbackground''' used here:

<nowiki>*</nowiki>http://cannabis.shoutwiki.com/wiki/User:Timeshifter/Sandbox23 [[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 02:39, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:You define CSS either for the class mw-headline, or for the elements h1 to h6. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 13:23, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]]. This worked:
:.darkbackground .mw-headline { color: white }
:I wish I had more of a clue on how to use Firefox developer mode via F12 key. [[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 14:15, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

== How could I embed Media wiki module into my own webpage ==

I want to insert / embed Wiki function into my own webpage so all the visitor could edit or create topic together.

How could I do that? Is there any tutorial? OR process guideline?

Thank you for your help! [[User:Yiyok|Yiyok]] ([[User talk:Yiyok|talk]]) 15:08, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:There is no "module" to "embed". Either your website runs on MediaWiki. Or it does not. :) [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 12:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

== Search suggestions diff. namespace in default search, MW 1.35? ==
{{Flow summary|Removed the Extension:TitleKey.}}

Howdy,

I have recently upgraded our test wiki from 1.31 to 1.35.4 (PHP 7.4.24, MySQL 5.7.35). It is just a test environment, so the question is not urgent but I would appreciate if s.o. could give me a hint someday.

We are using the default search without any extensions (no CirrusSearch, ...), it has always been sufficient for us. The default behaviour is: When beginning to type, a small dropdown box opens, showing up to 10 matches. This feature has always been active for the main namespace (and continues working after the upgrade). Additionally, one could have typed <namespace>:<searchstring> and then the dropdown shows the matches within the given namespace. Which does not work any longer.

For comparison, check www.perrypedia.de vs. test.perrypedia.de and try searching "Hilfe:" or "Mediawiki:" - works fine in live wiki, doesn't find anything in test. Is this change intended or did I do something wrong? Kind regards, K. [[Special:Contributions/2003:C2:3F22:8200:3D5E:3CF4:4409:5FFA|2003:C2:3F22:8200:3D5E:3CF4:4409:5FFA]] ([[User talk:2003:C2:3F22:8200:3D5E:3CF4:4409:5FFA|talk]]) 15:28, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:is your skin the correct version, and are there errors in the web browser's developer console?
:You could try using the opensearch api module manually [[Api:Opensearch]] and see if it gives any errors. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 09:07, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
:Currently I am using Vector, which was part of the Mediawiki 1.35 bundle, but I have also tested other skins and the behaviour (missing search suggestions) is the same in any skin.
:No errors in the developer console.
:No errors in the Apache error log. (lots of PHP warnings that don't matter: deprecated hooks)
:No errors when using the opensearch api. It works but I notice the opensearch api slightly differs from the search suggestions in the way it searches namespaces ...:
:The documentation states I could supply the namespace within the URL, like "api.php?action=opensearch & search=N & namespace=12" *) This parameter seems to be ignored, the search result shows articles of the main namespace.
:On the other hand I can supply the namespace as part of the search string "api.php?action=opensearch & search=Hilfe%3aN" *) The search results are then limited to the "Hilfe" namespace but shows all articles containing an "n", i.e. a fulltext search - in contrast to the search suggestions dropdown, where I expect to see all articles beginning with "n".
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>)the editor rejects the full url (spam filter) [[Special:Contributions/2003:C2:3F22:8200:D974:5731:741:FB6B|2003:C2:3F22:8200:D974:5731:741:FB6B]] ([[User talk:2003:C2:3F22:8200:D974:5731:741:FB6B|talk]]) 10:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
:Found and fixed! The trouble resulted from Extension:TitleKey. Removed the extension, now the namespace search works as before.
:(Even without TitleKey, the search is case insensitive so I dont know a reason why to have it installed.) [[Special:Contributions/2003:C2:3F22:8200:88FF:1B74:E990:1633|2003:C2:3F22:8200:88FF:1B74:E990:1633]] ([[User talk:2003:C2:3F22:8200:88FF:1B74:E990:1633|talk]]) 09:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

== How can I make the bullets and brackets white? ==

I want to make all the bullets and brackets white in '''class=darkbackground''' used here:
*http://cannabis.shoutwiki.com/wiki/User:Timeshifter/Sandbox23 [[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 16:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

== Is there a way to make an editor edit only dwarf edits or edits up until a certain number of characters? ==

Is there a way to make an editor edit only dwarf edits or edits up until a certain number of characters?

The purpose is to ensure that the editor (with a new user account that I will create for her/him) will only do things like typo fixing, phrasing changes, wikization and alike. [[Special:Contributions/49.230.21.5|49.230.21.5]] ([[User talk:49.230.21.5|talk]]) 12:17, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe experimenting with [[Extension:AbuseFilter]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks,
:I am looking for guidelines / tips rather than extensions. [[Special:Contributions/182.232.145.95|182.232.145.95]] ([[User talk:182.232.145.95|talk]]) 09:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:Then I think the answer is No :-) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 11:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

== How to change font size throughout wiki ==

When I change the font used on my wiki to Times New Roman, it seems tiny in comparison with Arial... what is the best way to increase the font size slightly throughout the whole wiki? Thanks. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 21:29, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
:[[Topic:Rlh02nwq7plg9i93]] [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks. I'd read that and it didn't help me, either with Vector or the main skin I use, Foreground. I'll try again though. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 08:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:P.S. I've now asked the question on the Foreground skin talk page at [[Topic:Win59vfzm0kkpukv]]. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 11:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

== how to add "in other languages" section in the sidebar? ==

Hi team, I just a new user for mediawiki. And I just start up mediawiki system in a linux server. And it can be access, but seems can't find "in other languages" section in the sidebar on the left side of the page. Please let me know if there is something I missed, thanks! [[Special:Contributions/2409:8928:430:53EC:98F:4D5F:1790:A842|2409:8928:430:53EC:98F:4D5F:1790:A842]] ([[User talk:2409:8928:430:53EC:98F:4D5F:1790:A842|talk]]) 07:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:On Wikimedia wikis, this is provided by the Wikidata extension and relies on Wikidata. Please elaborate on your use cases and underlying problems you want to solve. [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
::Hi Malyacko, could you provide the extension page link? thanks! I can't find the extension you mentioned. [[User:ChenjingJiang|ChenjingJiang]] ([[User talk:ChenjingJiang|talk]]) 08:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
::[[Extension:Wikibase]]
::There is also an older system built into core that requires less setup - interwiki links that have the language code as the link name [[help:interwiki]] [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 08:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
::hi Bawolff, Many thanks! [[User:ChenjingJiang|ChenjingJiang]] ([[User talk:ChenjingJiang|talk]]) 08:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks for your answer! I will research the Wikidata extension, thanks! [[User:ChenjingJiang|ChenjingJiang]] ([[User talk:ChenjingJiang|talk]]) 08:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

== MW migration - update.php problem with DB ==

Hi,

I´m migrating a v1.15.3 MW to another Server with v1.35

I copied the database an the update.php gives the following error:

'''...batch conversion of user_options: Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError from line 1699 of /var/www/wiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php: Error 1146: Table 'wiki.mw_revision_comment_temp' doesn't exist (127.0.0.1)'''

'''Function: MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore::fetchRevisionRowFromConds'''

Any hints for me?

The Table 'wiki.mw_revision_comment_temp' indeed does not exist in the DB.

I only have 'wiki.mw_revision' [[User:Horst0r|Horst0r]] ([[User talk:Horst0r|talk]]) 10:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:I did some research and generated the db tables manually; four tables were missing:
:mw_revision_comment_temp
:mw_comment
:mw_revision_actor_temp
:mw_actor
:now I get another error from the update.php:
:'''Beginning migration of revision.rev_user and revision.rev_user_text to revision_actor_temp.revactor_actor'''
:'''Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError from line 1699 of /var/www/wiki/includes/libs/rdbms/database/Database.php: Error 1242: Subquery returns more than 1 row (127.0.0.1)'''
:'''Function: MigrateActors::migrateToTemp''' [[User:Horst0r|Horst0r]] ([[User talk:Horst0r|talk]]) 14:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:I´m still messing around with the problem :/
:does anybody have a hint for me to fix this? [[User:Horst0r|Horst0r]] ([[User talk:Horst0r|talk]]) 11:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
:Maybe start from scratch but move to a different version, eg 1.31? I know what you're doing is supposed to work but... [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 11:34, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

== Upgrade from mediawiki-1.34.4 to mediawiki-1.35.4 broke "CategoryTree" ==

My recent upgrade from mediawiki-1.34.4 to mediawiki-1.35.4 broke "CategoryTree"

With the CategoryTree extension enabled, I'm getting this backtrace:

[e0ca81d2e988f2b008313688] /index.php?title=Kategorie:Standard_Operating_Procedures MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionAccessException from line 1033 of /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/Revision/RevisionStore.php: Failed to load data blob from tt:1921: Unable to fetch blob at tt:1921

Backtrace:

<nowiki>#</nowiki>0 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/Revision/RevisionStore.php(1280): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore->loadSlotContent()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1 [internal function]: MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore->MediaWiki\Revision\{closure}()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>2 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/Revision/SlotRecord.php(307): call_user_func()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>3 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/Revision/RevisionRecord.php(175): MediaWiki\Revision\SlotRecord->getContent()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>4 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1202): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionRecord->getContent()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>5 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/libs/objectcache/wancache/WANObjectCache.php(1529): MessageCache->{closure}()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>6 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/libs/objectcache/wancache/WANObjectCache.php(1376): WANObjectCache->fetchOrRegenerate()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>7 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1222): WANObjectCache->getWithSetCallback()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>8 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/libs/objectcache/BagOStuff.php(149): MessageCache->{closure}()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>9 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1224): BagOStuff->getWithSetCallback()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>10 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1126): MessageCache->loadCachedMessagePageEntry()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>11 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1034): MessageCache->getMsgFromNamespace()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>12 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(1005): MessageCache->getMessageForLang()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>13 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/cache/MessageCache.php(947): MessageCache->getMessageFromFallbackChain()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>14 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/language/Message.php(1304): MessageCache->get()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>15 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/language/Message.php(862): Message->fetchMessage()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>16 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/language/Message.php(966): Message->toString()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>17 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/extensions/CategoryTree/includes/CategoryTree.php(655): Message->plain()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>18 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/extensions/CategoryTree/includes/CategoryTree.php(506): CategoryTree->renderNodeInfo()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>19 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/extensions/CategoryTree/includes/CategoryTree.php(379): CategoryTree->renderChildren()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>20 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/extensions/CategoryTree/includes/CategoryTreeHooks.php(176): CategoryTree->getTag()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>21 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/parser/Parser.php(3922): CategoryTreeHooks::parserHook()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>22 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/parser/PPFrame_Hash.php(340): Parser->extensionSubstitution()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>23 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/parser/Parser.php(2887): PPFrame_Hash->expand()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>24 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/parser/Parser.php(1556): Parser->replaceVariables()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>25 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/parser/Parser.php(651): Parser->internalParse()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>26 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/content/WikitextContent.php(374): Parser->parse()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>27 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/content/AbstractContent.php(590): WikitextContent->fillParserOutput()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>28 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/Revision/RenderedRevision.php(263): AbstractContent->getParserOutput()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>29 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/Revision/RenderedRevision.php(235): MediaWiki\Revision\RenderedRevision->getSlotParserOutputUncached()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>30 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/Revision/RevisionRenderer.php(215): MediaWiki\Revision\RenderedRevision->getSlotParserOutput()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>31 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/Revision/RevisionRenderer.php(152): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionRenderer->combineSlotOutput()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>32 [internal function]: MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionRenderer->MediaWiki\Revision\{closure}()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>33 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/Revision/RenderedRevision.php(197): call_user_func()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>34 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/poolcounter/PoolWorkArticleView.php(216): MediaWiki\Revision\RenderedRevision->getRevisionParserOutput()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>35 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/poolcounter/PoolCounterWork.php(162): PoolWorkArticleView->doWork()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>36 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/page/Article.php(810): PoolCounterWork->execute()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>37 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/page/CategoryPage.php(63): Article->view()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>38 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/actions/ViewAction.php(74): CategoryPage->view()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>39 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/MediaWiki.php(527): ViewAction->show()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>40 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/MediaWiki.php(313): MediaWiki->performAction()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>41 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/MediaWiki.php(940): MediaWiki->performRequest()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>42 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/includes/MediaWiki.php(543): MediaWiki->main()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>43 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/index.php(53): MediaWiki->run()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>44 /var/www/mediawiki-1.35.4/index.php(46): wfIndexMain()

<nowiki>#</nowiki>45 {main} [[Special:Contributions/193.175.73.219|193.175.73.219]] ([[User talk:193.175.73.219|talk]]) 10:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:MediaWiki 1.35.4
:PHP 7.4.3 (apache2handler)
:MySQL 8.0.26-0ubuntu0.20.04.3 [[Special:Contributions/193.175.73.219|193.175.73.219]] ([[User talk:193.175.73.219|talk]]) 10:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:I'll be doing the same upgrade soon, so will follow this with interest. Have you upgraded the CategoryTree code? Maybe experiment with different versions of the code (REL1_34, REL1_35, master etc). [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 11:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:The CategoryTree code comes as a core plugin, so it is automagically up-to-date. [[Special:Contributions/193.175.73.219|193.175.73.219]] ([[User talk:193.175.73.219|talk]]) 11:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:Of course... sorry! [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 11:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:There's some stuff at [[phab:T205936]] though I don't understand it... It mentions running [[Manual:findBadBlobs.php]]. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 12:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:<nowiki>#</nowiki> seq 2000 2100 | php findBadBlobs.php --revisions=-
:Scanning 101 ids
:! Found bad blob on revision 2048 (main slot): content_id=1115, address=<tt:1920>, error='Unable to fetch blob at tt:1920', type='MediaWiki\Storage\BlobAccessException'. ID: 2048
:! Found bad blob on revision 2049 (main slot): content_id=1116, address=<tt:1921>, error='Unable to fetch blob at tt:1921', type='MediaWiki\Storage\BlobAccessException'. ID: 2049
:! Found bad blob on revision 2050 (main slot): content_id=1117, address=<tt:1922>, error='Unable to fetch blob at tt:1922', type='MediaWiki\Storage\BlobAccessException'. ID: 2050
:- Scanned a batch of 101 revisions
:Found 3 bad revisions. [[Special:Contributions/193.175.73.219|193.175.73.219]] ([[User talk:193.175.73.219|talk]]) 13:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
:Don't do this just on my day so but would the --mark parameter be the next step? From
:the manual page:
:mark
:Mark the blob as "known bad", to avoid errors when attempting to read it. The value given is the reason for marking the blob as bad, typically a ticket ID. Requires --revisions to also be set. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 15:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

== Simple dark mode auto change ==

Good morning. I would like to configure my wiki via LocalSettings.php to automatically switch to the DarkVector skin if the user's desktop browser prefers dark themes. I'd also like to not interfere with Mobilefrontend. I'm assuming it is something like <nowiki>[[Simple mobile skin auto change]]</nowiki> . Any ideas? [[User:Buster2223|Buster2223]] ([[User talk:Buster2223|talk]]) 15:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

== Version history with no user names ==

Hi everyone!

I want to show the rider "version history" only to users who are admins and with hidden user names. So no one, except sysops, could see who made an edit.

function efAddSkinStylesAnon( OutputPage &$out, Skin &$skin ) {

global $wgUser;

if( !$wgUser->isLoggedIn() )

{

// Hide history tab

if ( $skin->getSkinName() == 'vector' ) {

$out->addInlineStyle( '#ca-history { display:none; }' );

}

}

return true;

}

$wgHooks['BeforePageDisplay'][] = 'efAddSkinStylesAnon';

The "hide feature" works, but I don't know how to hide the user names for everyone except the sysops.

Thank you very much for support! [[User:Weejan91|Weejan91]] ([[User talk:Weejan91|talk]]) 16:15, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

== Filters Not Applying to RSS Feed ==

I've recently started using an RSS bot in our wiki's Discord server to log recent changes to a channel, but ran into an issue where some filters specified in Recent Changes don't affect the feed. Despite hidenewpages=1 and hidelog=1 functioning as intended on the Recent Changes page, they don't remove new pages and move/deletion/block logs from the raw feed. I am aware of extensions that add more dedicated activity feeds to a server, but I do not have control over what extensions get installed so they aren't an option.

Currently I've had to specify filters on the bot's side, but since it's filtering by what's in the <description> tags, as that's the best I can do, an edit summary containing the filtered phrases will prevent that change from being posted by the bot, which is obviously not desirable.

For the record, the namespace filter does affect the feed, so surely other filters not doing so is unintentional behaviour, right? This can be observed on any wiki's Recent Changes page, including this one. [[User:PlasmoidThunder|PlasmoidThunder]] ([[User talk:PlasmoidThunder|talk]]) 19:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

== Help with finding all wikipedia links ==

I need help with my wiki.. I recently import some templates from wikipedia.. And some of the imported page has link from wikipedia. example below Wikipedia:How to post, Is there a way i can access all of them so i can update it to mine. [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 00:37, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
:There's an "allpages" special page you could use, if I understand the question correctly. [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 11:32, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

== Moving from shared Hosting to VPS ==

I have been facing issue and some limitation using Shared hosting and i am about to upgrade my plan to VPS .. Which Web Panels do you think i should go for...

interworx OR cpanel [[User:Thatnewman|Thatnewman]] ([[User talk:Thatnewman|talk]]) 00:54, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
:I've only used cpanel, and found it fine (although that was probably five years ago). But surely one of the points of a VPS is that you get full shell access to do whatever you want, and so the web control panel is less important? [[User:Samwilson|Sam]] [[User_talk:Samwilson|Wilson]] 04:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
:I second that. I suppose I was spoiled as on my shared host I had shell access. But just get a basic unmanaged VPS. You won't look back. I don't even know whether mine has a control panel. I assume not :-) [[User:Jonathan3|Jonathan3]] ([[User talk:Jonathan3|talk]]) 11:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

== Limiting a user account to edit only up to a certain number of characters in each edit ==

I want to limit a certain user account only to fix typos and add symbols such as <code>(CONTENT)</code>, <code>[URL LINK_TEXT]</code> <code><nowiki>[[INTERNAL_LINK]]</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>{{TEMPLATE_CALL}}</nowiki></code> and so forth.

I assume that in my particular website, limiting the that user account up until 500 characters per edit would be enough.

Is there any way to do so without installing any extension and without any JavaScript limitations? [[Special:Contributions/182.232.6.32|182.232.6.32]] ([[User talk:182.232.6.32|talk]]) 05:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
:Is this question different from [[Topic:Wil0u07fcqbxi336]]? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
:Because here I focus only on characters. [[Special:Contributions/182.232.6.32|182.232.6.32]] ([[User talk:182.232.6.32|talk]]) 11:53, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

== Coolest Tool Award 2021: Call for nominations ==

<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">

The third edition of the [[m:Coolest Tool Award]] is looking for nominations!

Tools play an essential role for the Wikimedia projects, and so do the many volunteer developers who experiment with new ideas and develop and maintain local and global solutions to support the Wikimedia communities. The Coolest Tool Award aims to recognize and celebrate the coolest tools in a variety of categories.

The awarded projects will be announced and showcased in a virtual ceremony in December. Deadline to submit nominations is October 27. More information: [[m:Coolest Tool Award]]. Thanks for your recommendations! -- [[User:SSethi (WMF)|SSethi (WMF)]] for the [[m:Coolest Tool Award#Coolest Tool Award 2021|2021 Coolest Tool Academy team]] 05:57, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
</div>

[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 05:57, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

== my new image files will not listed ==

when i go to special pages and listed the new files all will show but not the of my user.

even when i write my user name into the selection textbox nothing will found.

did someone had a idea?

regards Jan [[User:JanTappenbeck|JanTappenbeck]] ([[User talk:JanTappenbeck|talk]]) 07:39, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
:Please see "Post a new question" in the sidebar. Also, which exact page? What does not show mean? No entry? A broken thumbnail? Something else? Does the autocomplete in the textbox work? Does it work for other usernames? [[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 08:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)