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Happy 2015!

Here's to transcribing I look forward to what new works will be made available to the world this year. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:05, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm so happy to feel so many people working together just now in so many ways to help! This library will be a marvel! Thank you all of you, thank you Justin!

If you wish to test our new design for Visual Editor, you can do it here. I love it: so simple, so useful. --Zyephyrus (talk) 23:01, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to you guys! Let's go! & have a nice 2015! (-minus 19 days that already passed by due to a mix of laziness to read out of my world and permanent hangover) --C.R. (talk) 21:11, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I need a help for using ProofreadPage at Korean wikisource

Hello, there. I need a help for using ProofreadPage at Korean wikisource. I tried to contact local admin. But nobody answered me. At first, please see this page ko:색인:殺人書秘話 박문 제1집, 1938.10, 12-13 (2 pages).pdf, which doesn't work well. I think something is wrong in this. How should do for using ProofreadPage at Korean wikisource? HappyMidnight (talk) 13:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

@HappyMidnight: I am trying to help but I have limited skills and don't know Korean. It looks like there is not Title field to enter a name for the work and although I tried to enter pages, it didn't recognize them as well. Do you know of any other indices on ko.ws? You might need to file a bug at phabricator:... —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:20, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Update All indices are broken: ko:색인:Hanseong Sunbo 18831031.djvu, ko:색인:읍혈록(泣血錄).pdf, and ko:색인:The passing of Korea.djvu as well. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:22, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

@Koavf: Thank you for your attention and efforts to fix it. I would rather ask at phabricator which you referred to. HappyMidnight (talk) 04:01, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-03

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• Rotated PDF files in landscape format used to show too small. They will now display correctly. You may need to purge older files. [1]
• You can now use the {{!}} magic word instead of Template:!. Many wikis used the template to create a pipe (|) in tables and templates. You can delete the template. [2]

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf14) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since January 7. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from January 13. It will be on all Wikipedias from January 14 (calendar).
• A bug in VisualEditor sometimes added a ☀ (Sun) character. This is now fixed. [3]
• The search and replace tool in VisualEditor is now much faster in long pages. [4]
• The TemplateData editor now uses the same design as VisualEditor. [5] [6] [7]
• The thumb option is now shown in your language in the help of the classic editor toolbar. [8]

Future changes

• You can sign up to answer questions from designers. It will help them make editing easier. [9]

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16:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can download the new version of the Wikipedia app for Android. The new version shows lead images, better galleries and content from Wikidata. It also has many other new features.[10] [11]
• Programs and bots still can't read information about images on many wikis. You can see the list of wikis with the most files to fix. Wikipedia in Italian, Indonesian and Japanese language have the most files to fix. On the biggest wikis you should use bots. Bots can add information templates to groups of files. You can ask other tech users to help you.

Problems

• All JavaScript on Commons was broken for a few minutes on Tuesday. It was because of old code in the HotCat tool. The same problem happened on some Wikipedias on Wednesday. It is now fixed. [12]

Software changes this week

• There are no software changes this week and next week due to annual meetings. [13]

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18:12, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Upload a DjVu file created of text scans which were made not by me

Hello!

I have a question: if I upload to the Wikisource a DjVu file, constructed of images, which are originally the scans of some book (which itself is in the public domain) but these scans were made not by me (by some unknown person who posted them in some site in the Web) — is this action OK to Wikisource / Wikimedia copyright policies, or against them?

The book which was scanned — it is, as I said, in the public domain: it was firstly published in the 1901 year in the Russian Empire, and its' author died in the 1903. And, the scans are mere mechanical scans of pages of the book, and they does not appear to contain any artwork of the person who made the scans. --Nigmont (talk) 19:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

@Nigmont: No one owns the rights to any particular scan of a work: if the book is in the public domain, a digital reproduction of the book is in the public domain. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:58, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! --Nigmont (talk) 20:05, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-05

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• You can now translate articles with the new ContentTranslation tool on several wikis. [14]

This week

• There are no software changes this week due to annual meetings. [15]

Future changes

• You can join a project to improve WikiProjects. [16]
• The Compact Personal Bar will be removed for now. It has a bug that breaks the tool to choose your language. It will come back when the bug is fixed. [17]

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16:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-06

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• There was a security issue on Wikimedia Labs. Many Labs tools were down after the issue was fixed. [18]

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since January 14. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from February 3. It will be on all Wikipedias from February 4 (calendar).
• The "Save page" button in the VisualEditor toolbar is now blue rather than green. This is the same as on the mobile site. [19]
• You can now edit pages on the draft namespace with VisualEditor on the Russian Wikipedia and Hebrew Wikipedia. You can ask to get VisualEditor for a namespace on your wiki. When your community agrees, ask in Phabricator. [20] [21]

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16:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Transclusion problems

Can somebody help me with problems which I got on transclusion of proofread pages:

I created a page where I transclude all the pages of the book which I proofread before. I desired to got something like in the English Wikisource, for example: en:The_Boy_Land_Boomer/Chapter_1, en:The Lodger/Chapter I.

But really I got: Иоанн-вельденьне Шкайстонь Ёнь-куля/ВО/00, and the problems are:

1. The numbers (link in the square braces) of the transcluded pages are overlapped by the text. In the English Wikisource, the text is displayed with left margin wide enough to contain transcluded pages numbers and make them to be apart from the text.

2. The template Template:nop seemingly does not work as expected: for example, I added it at the end of the first transcluded page, but the desired paragraph is not present in the combined page —- the verse #12 is displayed in the same paragraph as the verse #11.

Is this something wrong that I did while formatting proofread pages and/or transclusion page? Or is this a problem with software installed in this wiki? Or something else? --Nigmont (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Addition: transcluding a portion of a page, as described here: en:Help:Transclusion, also doesn't work — you can see at Иоанн-вельденьне Шкайстонь Ёнь-куля/ВО/01. --Nigmont (talk) 01:09, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

I also have the same question! Thanks for pointing this out. --C.R. (talk) 08:03, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

I am very glad to know that my requests became useful not only for me! --Nigmont (talk) 19:46, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

• Concerning the last problem (transcluding a portion of the page): I figured out what's the matter: really two different labels were needed on the portioned page, but I had provided only one. Just now I created two section labels on the interjacent page — for chapter 1 and 2, and set the first of them as border in the transclusion page for chapter 1; and transcluding now works well on that point. But the other two problems (links are overlapped, and template "nop" doesn't work) are still remaining. --Nigmont (talk) 19:46, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

• @Nigmont: I have made a few edits

1) added margins for tr. text; on enwiki it is done with styles, here the width of the text is set only if you are using <pages> tag with the attribute header=1

2) besides {{nop}} you need to add extra blank lines

Zdzislaw (talk) 20:06, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

• @Zdzislaw: thank you!

Concerning {{nop}} — I checked and discovered that you are quite right, blank line is needed, I missed this moment.

On the matter of the margins. I consider to try to copy those settings from the enwiki to this wiki: is this possible without special admin (or any other) rights and/or sophisticated efforts? If yes: may be you (or smb. else) point me what settings and wiki-templates should be examined there to be imported here? --Nigmont (talk) 20:31, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

@Zdzislaw: sorry, I haven't noticed that you had already fixed one of my pages — Иоанн-вельденьне Шкайстонь Ёнь-куля/ВО/00 — and now I see this is displayed well, with margins; and nothing is needed to be imported from enwiki. Now I know what I need to do in order to fix that on any other transclusion pages. Zdzislaw, thank you very much, once again! --Nigmont (talk) 20:47, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-07

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• You can now use {{#lsth: PageName | SectionName }} to transclude a section with its title. [22]

Problems

• MediaWiki was reverted to the previous version on February 4. It was because of a performance issue. It was restored later. [23]
• UploadWizard was broken on February 4 because of the revert of MediaWiki. [24]
• All sites were broken for 30 minutes on February 5. It was due to a network problem. [25]

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since February 5. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from February 10. It will be on all Wikipedias from February 11 (calendar).
• You can have one user page for all wikis. Your Meta user page will show if you don't have a user page on a wiki. You can test this tool on test wikis. [26] [27] [28]
• You can search for media files in VisualEditor more easily. Images are bigger and you see the size and license. [29] [30]
• It is easier to review your changes when you save the page in VisualEditor. The window is wider. [31]
• You can read the latest news about VisualEditor. You can now join weekly meetings with developers. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The first meeting is on February 11 at 20:00 (UTC).

Future changes

• Administrators will soon be able to delete change tags used fewer than 5,000 times. [32]
• In the future you will be able to have personal lists of articles on the mobile site. [33]

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16:26, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-08

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since February 11. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from February 17. It will be on all Wikipedias from February 18 (calendar).
• On Wednesday your Meta user page will be shown if you don't have a user page on a wiki. [34] [35] [36]
• You can now change the order of categories in VisualEditor using drag-and-drop. [37]
• In VisualEditor, you now need to make a change before you can "Apply Changes" to citations and templates. [38]
• The way the cursor moves in VisualEditor is changing. Your browser now handles the cursor directly. Most of you will see no change. In right-to-left text, the cursor now moves in a 'visible' rather than 'logical' way. This is like other sites but you may be surprised at first.​ [39]

Meetings

• The VisualEditor Team had their first public bug triage meeting on February 11. They will post the results on the meeting page. [40]
• You can join the second weekly meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on February 18 at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join. [41]
• You can join a meeting with the developers of the Content Translation tool. It will be on February 18 at 13:00 (UTC). [42]

Future changes

• You can comment on a proposal about abandoned Labs tools.

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17:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Admin Activity Review

Per m:Admin activity review, we are subject to stewards' review of inactive admins and bureaucrats whenever they conduct a review. However, we have regularly nominated inactive admins and crats on Wikisource:Administrators and have regularly made meaningful consensus decisions to desysop or decrat inactive users. We have also forborn removal of rights when we have found that a user remained active elsewhere and was available when needed (see Wikisource:Nominations for adminship/Archives#Removals of adminship and Wikisource:Nominations for adminship/Archives#Removals of Bureaucrat rights). Stewards will take no such forbearance. I recommend we adopt the following local admin review process in lieu of global policy:

Users with advanced rights shall be subject to review on wikisource:Administrators whenever the community deems appropriate, commonly when they have zero edits and zero log actions for a period of 12 months or longer. Users who lose their rights due to inactivity are encouraged to reassume their rights whenever they wish, either by talking to a bureaucrat or initiating a new request for rights. Users who do not respond to notice of a review may automatically have their rights removed after 30 days. Activity on other Wikimedia Foundation projects shall be taken into account and the consensus of the community shall be the sole standard and the global policy shall not apply on this project.

The second and third sentences come from the language currently at wikisource:Administrators#Vote for removal of administrator privileges. I'm not stuck on any of that language and would certainly entertain simpler versions but I think we should emphasize 1) simple process, 2) community discretion.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 19:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Prior discussions on this topic are here: Wikisource talk:Administrators. We previously talked about six months but that is neither practical (IMNSHO) nor our recent practice, where admins are active elsewhere. It's a fact of life on mul.ws that experienced users here are likely far more active elsewhere.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 17:23, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Doug. I think it is very difficult to compare Oldwikisource wirh other projects - even those ones of Wikisource. Here there is no community in the normal sense, here small to marginal parts of other communities work, each divided from another. Thus the activity of the admins is very limited - but also from language reasons etc. I am sure I see some more copyright violations very often, but I can use the google translator, and then it is better to do nothing. Or, see Wikisource:Possible copyright violations#Works of Firuza Abdullina and Wikisource:Possible copyright violations#Works by User:CoderSIBot and some IPs. Regards, -jkb- (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

-jkb-, I'm unclear what you are saying. Your comment seems to fit more with what I mention below about patrolled pages than about review of inactive admins. My point is that there is a global policy on inactive admins. It applies to us because we didn't opt out and it could potentially result in the de-sysopping of admins by stewards without our involvement/consent. That may make sense for some tiny backwater xx.ws where all admins may be inactive but we have 17 admins all of whom are active somewhere and we have de-sysopped when someone is truly inactive everywhere. We could simply post to meta that we have a process and not say what it is or refer to the old six months of inactivity rule, but I think this is a good time to update and formalize our policy (but not too formal ;) ).--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 01:17, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Another option altogether: Users on mul.ws may be as active or inactive as they wish on this wiki, so long as they remain active on some WMF projects, they may retain all rights on this wiki. In the event of inactivity on all WMF projects, the community will remove privileges in its own good time. ;D Call this "Proposal 2". --Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 02:56, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

New Page Patrolling

We have New Page Patrolling enabled but we don't have an "autopatroller" right so only Admins and bots have autopatrolled edits (and only admins may mark edits as patrolled, which is a lot of work). The vast majority of new pages are therefore not patrolled and never get patrolled making the red exclamation mark or the yellow highlighting superfluous. At the same time, IP edits to existing pages have nothing to make them stand out. That means that "not patrolled" = new page not created by an admin or a bot (24 accounts including some very stale bots), users who generally create relatively few new pages here anyway. Recall also that all new pages are marked with an N.

I suggest we either 1) disable Patrolled Pages altogether or 2) enable recent changes patrolling (as is the case on en.ws and is the original mediawiki default), so that all edits by users without the patrol right are marked as unpatrolled, not just new pages. If we do the latter (or if we do nothing), we should enable the autopatroller right and grant admins the power to grant this right (as on en.ws and many other wikis). Another alternative, used on many wikis, would be to add the patrol right to autoconfirmed users. I think my preference would be to simply disable new page patrolling such that no pages are ever marked with an exclamation mark nor highlighted, particularly considering that many edits are in a language that only a few if any admins can read, there isn't much value to the information that a non-admin made a new page.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 19:30, 17 February 2015 (UTC).

See just now above: we do not have users for patrolling; we would need one admin for every language, but also in this case I am not sure if it would work. -jkb- (talk) 23:17, 17 February 2015 (UTC)