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Wikisource:Scriptorium

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;Archives
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*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/November 2003 to January 2004|November 2003 to January 2004]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Feb 2004 - Jun 2004|Feb 2004 - Jun 2004]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Jul 2004 - Oct 2004|Jul 2004 - Oct 2004]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Oct 2004 - Feb 2005|Oct 2004 - Feb 2005]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Feb 2005 - Apr 2005|Feb 2005 - Apr 2005]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Apr 2005 - Aug 2005|Apr 2005 - Aug 2005]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Aug 2005 - Sep 2005|Aug 2005 - Sep 2005]] (through the move to language subdomains)
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Sep 2005 - Jan 2006|Sep 2005 - Jan 2006]] (months following the move language subdomains)
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Jan 2006 - Dec 2006|Jan 2006 - Dec 2006]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Jan 2007 - Dec 2007|Jan 2007 - Dec 2007]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Jan 2008 - Dec 2008|Jan 2008 - Dec 2008]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Jan 2009 - Dec 2009|Jan 2009 - Dec 2009]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/Jan 2010 - Dec 2010|Jan 2010 - Dec 2010]]

:''Note: all archives are made by copy&paste, so that the whole history is here.''

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== Login link to secure login ==

Would an admin be so kind to edit (create) [[Mediawiki:Loginend]] to add a link to the site's [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikisource/sources/wiki/Special:Userlogin secure login]. If it helps …[[:en:Mediawiki:Loginend|enWS's]] . Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/112.213.211.216|112.213.211.216]] 22:41, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

: done, regards [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 23:51, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

== [[:en:Wikisource:WikiProject Translation|WikiProject Translation]] ==

Announcing the creation of a new interlingual cooperative WikiProject- [[:en:Wikisource:WikiProject Translation|WikiProject Translation]]! The goal is inter-wiki collaboration with the aim of making source texts available in multiple languages. The project is very much in the formation phase, and would benefit from voices giving input. Please feel free to express any ideas, concerns, or questions at the [[:en:Wikisource talk:WikiProject Translation|project talk page]]. If you don't speak English, you have two options: Use [http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&u=http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_Translation Google Translate], or start your own WikiProject Translation at your local Wikisource. (This is recommended in any case.) If we pool our resources we can accomplish great things! --[[User:Eliyak|Eliyak]] 15:10, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== bureaucrat ==

As of today, I am no longer a bureaucrat at ws.org.
Please send your requests to [[User:Eclecticology]], or elect a new bureaucrat.
[[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 12:33, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

== Wikisource copyright policy ==

''Sorry for my possibly bad English.''

I just saw [[:ru:Универсальная общественная лицензия GNU|Russian translation of GNU General Public License]] in <s>ruwikiquote</s> ruwikisource and wanted to see English original in <s>enwikiquote</s> enwikisource, but found out that it deleted there “as it is under copyright.”

The text of this license is distributed under the following terms: “Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed.” De facto, this is the Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs, right?

Why we in Wikiquote can’t allow the use of texts distributed under such licences?

Wikiquote is a library of texts. Texts, in theory, should correspond to their originals, ie they should not change.

I think it would be quite correct to use Attribution-NoDerivs in Wikisource. What do you think?

~ [[User:Aleksandrit|aleksandrit]] 17:30, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

:CC-Attribution-NoDerivs is not [http://freedomdefined.org 'Free']. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 17:35, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
::To complete John answer, that's different, it's only our internal policy to disallow changing a text, but our text can be modified by anyone who want to do it until he does that outside wikisource and he comply to its local law so we can't present GPL because it's NoDerivs. [[User:Phe|Phe]] 17:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

::: Thank you for the reply, I got it. Okay, so I’ll ask ruwikisource admins to delete above mentioned page. ~ [[User:Aleksandrit|aleksandrit]] 18:17, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

:The statement from the licence does not necessarily make it ND. It all depends on the perspective from which you interpret "changing it is not allowed.” Is it about changing the text, or is it about changing the licence? If it is about the licence, the changed version, or any complete translation of the entire licence for that matter, would be a new document and could not be called a CC licence. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 08:54, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

:::: If you think about licences, you are not authorized to change any one (including licences for free contents), because they are necessarily copyrighted and signed (otherwise it becomes impossible to assert that a free content is licenced to some specific terms).
:::: What this means, is that derivatives are allowed, but only in copies that are labelled differently. But all references from allowed free contents to their licence must remain stable.
:::: We probably need a specific namespace in all Wikimedia projects, where we can store Licence documents which, once they have been proofed, will remain stable and unmodifiable at that location, and then referenceable as such from any free content.
:::: In my opinion, this namespace should be shared across all Wikimedia projects, and probably hosted by Commons. These documents would have an essential status: (1) "Modifiable" means that it is still not usable as a valid licence for other contents. And (2) "Frozen" where it can be used as a valid reference to the licence (when it is frozen, it has to be digitally signed by his author, and it must never be renamed, that's why freeing a licence should only be made by an admin).
:::: Currently, licences are managed through a nightmare of templates, which are very hard to verify, notably across wikis.
:::: This "Licence:" namespace should avoid transcluding any unfrozen templates ; their presentation don't have to be unified, and only technical edits for rendering compatibility should be allowed (or corrections of typos if the text was actually imported from another source), or metadata edits (such as categories).
:::: All contents in this namespace would be fully copyrighted, according to the terms specified in themselves. If this text allows derivations, derivations will be done into other pages in the same namespace, but with another name.
:::: All pages stored in this "Licence:" namespace should work like templates : i.e. when viewed directly, you get the full text, but in transclusions, you get only a view such as a box built over a layout template, which it self would be translatable. But the licence itself should not be translated. We could use the noinclude section for the frozen text and for transcluding an unfrozn subpage containining the metadata, and the includeonly sections would contain the transcludable view (exactly like the existing licence templates visible in Commons in the description page of free medias). [[User:Verdy p|Verdy p]] 02:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

== Dragging into djvu text layer ==

After some talk into wikisource-l, I'd like to open here a page covering the topic of djvu text layer manipulation. I'd like to share links, scripts and ideas.

I'm an active user into it.source and en.source, but I don't know at all policies into this community, so I thought better to ask your opinion about.

Could be "Wikisource:Djvu text layer" a good page name? Have you a better suggestion? Thanks. --[[User:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] 23:36, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:Of course it's a good name. If it isn't just rename it ;) -[[User Talk:Aleator|Aleator]] 23:53, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Ok, thank you. So, I'll create [[Wikisource:Djvu text layer]] page and I'll upload locally a "dummy" djvu file with a good text layer, just to have a shared file to work on and to use for running examples, screenshots and test. --[[User:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] 07:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
::: All is ready to start: therea are
# a main page: [[Wikisource:Djvu text layer]]
# a [[:Category:Djvu text layer]]
# an example, locally loaded djvu file for running examples and screenshots: [[:File:Poems.djvu]].

OK? --[[User:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] 09:01, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== On which template/language and to which address the author can send his permission ? ==

Help me, please. I tend to include article from newspaper(2010) (Nogai language) to Wikisource. Suppose, the author want to give his permission on it. But previously I must know a template for corresponding text and I must know the rule: at which language (Russian , English) text must/can be written? Where I can find answers on these questions? And more: to which address this text must be sended by e-mail? Thanks. [[User:Winni ru|Владимир aka Winni]] 12:16, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

:If you have the author's permission to use the text, you can send the confirmation email to the [[m:OTRS|volunteer response team]] at permissions@wikimedia.org. There are both English- and Russian-speaking OTRS volunteers, so either language should be fine. Remember to indicate what free license the author has agree to use for the text. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] 13:03, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

== new section behaviour ==

I just went to add a new section to a Wikisource: name page by clicking on "New section", and ended up starting a new talk page instead of adding it to the project page. This seems like a bug to me. It seems to work correctly if the talk page already exists. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 10:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

: I cannot find it. I saw you edited and deleted [[Wikisource talk:Proposal]], but on the page [[Wikisource:Proposal]] there is no button or "add new section"; in last days there are still some not expected changes due to the last upgrade of the software - maybe this was one. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 13:40, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

::hmmm! It seems to be skin dependent. I have used the Cologne Blue skin from the beginning when I modernized from the Classic skin. (I still keep my WP skin at Classic.) I haven't checked if this is happening outside the Wikisource: namespace. In Cologne Blue the "New Section" button is retained in the sidebar. If the talk page does not exist it will start it. (Thus my deletion.) If it does exist it will add the new section at the bottom, as expected. Strange! [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 22:36, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

::: button in the sidebar?? I guess it happens because of the skin as other skins has not been updated for a long time; it never happened me with Vector (or Monobook earlier). [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 00:02, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

::::Thanks. Looks like I'll just have to live with it. Not too serious now that I know what's happening. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 09:02, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

== New projects ==

Since the new projects have opened, I wonder when the pages here can be deleted.

sah: seems ok (I imported the pages myself and all seems to be complete), someone should ask whether the importing of eo: and sa: are done as well. -- [[User:Prince Kassad|Prince Kassad]] 23:46, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

: Could you be a bit more precise? With some links or more description. Thanks, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 00:45, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

::Three new language domains were recently created: [[s:sah:|sah.wikisource]], [[s:eo:|eo.wikisource]], [[s:sa:|sa.wikisource]]. The corresponding categories are [[:Category:Sakha]], [[:Category:Esperanto]] and [[:Category:Sanskrit]]. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] 14:32, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

:::Please don't delete those pages from eo: until we finish the importing process and confirm that it's complete. We can ask their deletion here in Scriptorium or by putting {{tl|delete}} in the [[:Category:Esperanto|category]]. We won't forget that, I promise. [[User:Castelobranco|CasteloBranco]][[User talk:Castelobranco|msg]] 02:12, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

::::All right, CasteloBranco, we will wait for your signals. --[[User:Zyephyrus|Zyephyrus]] 07:34, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
:::::Ok we’ll wait for eo, what about sah and sa ? Could we start the deletion ? Cdlt, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] 16:54, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

::::::Sah: can be deleted per Prince Kassad above, I think. As for sa:, I've left a note on Shijualex's talk page so he can comment on it himself. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] 08:33, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

The import is done for Sanskrit. I have imported all the pages that I could locate. Please let me know in case if I missed something--[[User:Shijualex|Shijualex]] 09:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

:The import is done for Esperanto, too. Thank you very much. [[User:Castelobranco|CasteloBranco]][[User talk:Castelobranco|msg]] 11:29, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Esperanto]] deleted. --[[User:Zyephyrus|Zyephyrus]] 14:57, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Please add information to [[Wikisource:Subdomain coordination]] whenever information is available. As Sakha is spoken in Russia and Sanskrit is spoken in India, perhaps these two new subdomains should consider the Russian and Indian copyright laws to develop their copyright policies, such as pre-1923 works still copyrighted there.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 07:54, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
::::There are still several Esperanto pages on wikisource.org (check out [[:Category:Aŭtoroj]], for example). Are they needed any longer? -- [[User:Prince Kassad|Prince Kassad]] 16:24, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::[[:Category:Aŭtoroj]], as well as everything else in the now-deleted parent category, has already been transferred. Compare [[:Category:Enhavtabelo]] (red link, but still has content) with [[s:eo:Kategorio:Enhavtabelo]]. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] 22:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

What about Sanskrit? The import of [[:Category:संस्कृत|these]] [[:Category:Sanskrit|pages]] is done as per Shijualex' comment above, so it should be okay to delete them now. -- [[User:Liliana-60|Liliana-60]] 12:59, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

== Template namespace initialisation script ==

Hello. Some years ago, developpers used [[Special:Contributions/Template_namespace_initialisation_script|Template namespace initialisation script]] to move some pages from the MediaWiki to the Template namespace, and left some useless redirects.

Consequently, the following pages should be deleted :
# [[MediaWiki:Sitesupportpage]]
# [[MediaWiki:Gnunote]]
# [[MediaWiki:All messages]]

For more informations, please see [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Speedy_deletions&oldid=2490887#MediaWiki_pages_by_Template_namespace_initialisation_script this request (meta)].

Thanks -- [[User:Quentinv57|Quentinv57]] 11:34, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Done. [[User:Candalua|Candalua]] 16:56, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Block request ==

Would an admin please indef-block [[User:Jared's Ballsack]]? He's only made one edit, but it was offensive vandalism, and it's definitely an offensive user name. Thanks! —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 09:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
:I see the offensive vandalism and block the user for 2 hours, but please explain how offensive the username is, before a longer block. Thanks.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 15:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
::"Ballsack" is vulgar slang for the [[w:scrotum|scrotum]]. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 05:05, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
:::'''Done''' the request for infinite block.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 04:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Speedy delete request ==

Please delete [[:File:Oileain na mBlascaod.png]] as I accidentally uploaded it here instead of at Commons. It is at Commons now under the same name. Thanks! —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 21:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] 21:04, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

== Include pages (and possibly indexes and authors) in official article count ==

:''See also [[mailarchive:wikisource-l/2010-January/000658.html]], [[:en:Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2010-04]], [[mailarchive:wikisource-l/2011-April/000964.html]]
I propose to request to set [[mw:Manual:$wgContentNamespaces|$wgContentNamespaces]] to <code>array (0, 102, 108, 110)</code> on all Wikisources which have such namespaces so that pages in Page:, Author: and Index: are considered for the official article count shown on [[Special:Statistics]] and <nowiki>{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}</nowiki>, which is currently greatly underestimated on most projects.
Pages are without doubt content; I think that the same applies to index and author pages, which are like lists on Wikipedia or rather galleries on Commons (both part of a content namespace). Anyway, they're way less. What do you think? If there's consensus, I'll request it on bugzilla. (I've wanted to do so since more than a year ago but I forgot...) [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 20:36, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
:I've nothing against this proposal but people must be aware than for statistical purpose and for wikisource using widely the Page: namespace, the most reliable statistics are [http://toolserver.org/~phe/], especially [http://toolserver.org/~phe/statistics.php], using NUMBEROFARTICLES as statistics can mislead people. Transclusion habits vary a lot among wikis, some wikis prefer tiny page, some other medium page, some other huge (meaning you can transclude a book by chapter, by part or as a whole book in only one page). Another problem is transclusion dynamically generated like [http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/L%E2%80%99Encyclop%C3%A9die/Volume_1 L’Encyclopédie/Volume_1], we have only 17 pages in namespace 0 for 70K articles of the ''Encyclopédie''. Also a technical point, you can't use (0, 102, 108, 110) for all wikisource, the namespace number vary over wikisource. See [[MediaWiki:MatchSplit.js]] for namespace number for Page:, I'm unsure where to find the other namespace number. [[User:Phe|Phe]] 23:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you for your reply and the correction about numbers. I know that we should mostly use ThomasV statistics, but I think it's still useful to make the "official article count" more similar to the reality: the use of Page: namespace varies less among Wikisources, so adding such pages would mitigate the effect you described. [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 06:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
:::It is also quite important for recording the number of edits. If you have a look at the pages from http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikisource/EN/Sitemap.htm you will see the edits on those pages grossly misrepresented. The main ns may be where the bulk of edits are done at WP, however, for the other sites, they utilise their namespaces differently. I support the proposal. [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]'' 14:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
::::I've collected some data around; the actual configuration would be [[User:Nemo_bis/wgContentNamespaces]] (!). [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 16:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
:Sounds logical [[s:he:User:Ori229]] -- אוֹרי 08:49, 27 במאי 2011 (IDT)

I like it, but first we should get '''same id''' for a "Author:" namespace in all subdomains (where it exists, of course). This table was composed in 2010:
{| class="standard"
! Language
! colspan="2" | "Author:" namespace
|-
|en || 102 || Author:
|-
|fr || 102 || Auteur:
|-
|cs || 100 || Autor:
|-
|hu || 100 || Szerző:
|-
|ko || 100 || 저자:
|-
|la || 102 || Scriptor:
|-
|pl || 104 || Autor:
|-
|it || 102 || Autore:
|-
|hr || 100 || Autor:
|-
|pt || 102 || Autor:
|-
|bg || 100 || Автор:
|-
|hy || 100 || Հեղինակ:
|-
|sv || 106 || Författare:
|-
|da || 102 || Forfatter:
|-
|no || 102 || Forfatter:
|-
|tr || 100 || Kişi:
|-
|}

Looks like id=100 and canonical namespace name = "Author:" will most acceptable. -- [[User:Sergey kudryavtsev|Sergey kudryavtsev]] 20:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

:This is not possible. As written above, we just have to adapt the configuration for each wiki. An updated table is on [[User:Nemo bis/wgNamespaceAliases]]. [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 12:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The bug has been fixed by JeLuF. [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 06:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Search Index and Author namespaces by default ==
If nobody objects, I'll also request to change [[mw:Manual:$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault|$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault]] so that the internal search engine searches by default both Index and Author namespaces, so that users can easily find the author or work they're looking for, even if there's no relevant page in main namespace. I see that all Wikisources which bothered to change this configuration added either Author namespace or both, except de.source which doesn't have an Author namespace and added both Index and Page namespace (I don't know why, this seems a way to get overwhelming search results), so they wouldn't be affected. The proposed configuration is [[User:Nemo_bis/wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault]]. 
This affects the default search with the search bar and the checkboxes checked by default on [[Special:Search]] (advanced view) for anonymous users, while as far as I understand existing users will keep their preferences. [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 13:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
:Definitely add Author, as that is content for the world to see. I am not sure about Index, do you think that it is ready for the world to see without some context? I find that adding a link to Index: pages from the author pages (and at enWS we use [[:en:Template:Small scan link]] at least a context setter. Otherwise, if you arrive at an index page and there is no indication to what it is, what it means, or how to use it. [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]'' 14:35, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
::People will arrive there anyway via general search engines, won't they? With the current configuration, though, users won't find actual content (entire books available on the wiki) unless they know how to search the wiki; at least, in this manner, users will find what's available (instead of thinking there isn't anything) and then they'll click and see or they'll look around to learn more. [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 15:32, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

The bug has been fixed by JeLuF. [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 06:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Questions and issues ==

I recently imported an Afrikaans translation of the public domain World English Bible from a site I operate to this site at [[Bybel]]. I believe I got everything right but encountered several problems along the way:
* Subpages appear to be disabled for this wiki, so relative path links don't work like they do on en.wikisource for the World English Bible. I got around this by faking it with titles containing slashes and putting full names in links.
* Interwiki links like <nowiki>[[:en:Bible]]</nowiki> link to the English ''Wikipedia'' instead of the English Wikisource, and links like <nowiki>[[en:Bible]]</nowiki> don't appear in the sidebar but in the text. I got around this by using links of the form <nowiki>[[s:en:Bible]]</nowiki>, but this is really odd.
* I'd like to add an interwiki link from [[:s:en:World English Bible]] to [[Bybel]], but have no idea how to do this.
Thanks. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] 05:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:Interwikis don't work on this wiki, see -> [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Interwikis]]. [[User:Electron|Electron]] [[File:Smiley kabelsalat.gif|18px]] [[User Talk:Electron|''<Talk?>'']] 07:25, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== secure.wikimedia.org for WS language subdomains? ==

Is it possible to access WS language subdomains through https://secure.wikimedia.org? I notice that the [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sources/wiki/Main_Page secure URL for WS] uses a scheme in common with other Wikimedia projects which don't have language subdomains. [[Special:Contributions/71.200.137.85|71.200.137.85]] 01:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

:I found that there are secure subdomains accessible through URLs imitating the scheme of Wikimedia projects with language subdomains (e.g. [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikisource/en/wiki/Main_Page English]). However, these aren't accessible from the multilingual page linked from https://secure.wikimedia.org because the javascript used to rewrite URLs with their secure equivalents isn't used on multilingual. Can an admin here please add the following to [[Mediawiki:Common.js]]?

<source lang="javascript">
/**
* Script to rewrite external links to other Wikimedia projects to
* use the secure server when already browsing from https://secure.wikimedia.org
*/

if ( mw.config.get('wgServer') == 'https://secure.wikimedia.org' ) {
mw.loader.load('http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js/secure.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
}
</source>

:Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/71.200.137.85|71.200.137.85]] 04:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

::Come to think of it, it might be better to use
::<source lang="javascript">mw.loader.load('https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js/secure.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');</source>
::instead. [[Special:Contributions/71.200.137.85|71.200.137.85]] 18:48, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

== Seeking consensus for working interlanguage links ==

I put up a [[bugzilla:29534|bug report]] for one side of the multilingual wikisource interlanguage link problem. The responder wants to verify it's the community's will. Please leave a note here with your take. [[User:Prosody|Prosody]] 05:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''' proper IWL (evel everywhere). Cdlt/A galon, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] 11:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. [[User:Electron|Electron]] [[File:Smiley kabelsalat.gif|18px]] [[User Talk:Electron|''<Talk?>'']] 21:09, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''', there's no reason to have a different behaviour just for this wiki. Thanks to Prosody for putting it up. [[User:Candalua|Candalua]] 21:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''', [[User:Phe|Phe]] 23:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Language links should go to Wikisource subdomains by default (instead of Wikipedia as they do currently) and the interwiki links should be in the sidebar like in every other project. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] 08:33, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
*:+1 for language links with 'source subdomains as default. Do we need to open a separate bug, or can we add this request to the current one? [[User:Candalua|Candalua]] 08:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
*::A separate bug, apparently. But someone needs to fix all existing links to Wikipedia (<nowiki>[[:?<lang>:<link>]] -> [[w:<lang>:<link>]]</nowiki>). Will you, Candalua? Otherwise I can do it but I need [[user:AnankeBot|AnankeBot]] to be flagged. [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 08:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC) P.s.: I found 1269 pages to be corrected with the following command (although there's plenty of incorrect links right now, because people expect language interwikis to point to Wikisource): <pre style="overflow:auto">python replace.py -family:wikisource -lang:- -xml:... -regex -recursive -summary:"Bot: removing short interwiki links to Wikipedia per [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Seeking_consensus_for_working_interlanguage_links|discussion]]" "\[\[:?(aa|ab|af|ak|als|am|an|ang|ar|arc|arz|as|ast|av|ay|az|ba|bar|bat-smg|bcl|be|be-x-old|bg|bh|bi|bm|bn|bo|bpy|br|bs|bug|bxr|ca|cbk-zam|cdo|ce|ceb|ch|cho|chr|chy|co|cr|crh|cs|csb|cu|cv|cy|da|de|diq|dsb|dv|dz|ee|el|eml|en|eo|es|et|eu|ext|fa|ff|fi|fiu-vro|fj|fo|fr|frp|fur|fy|ga|gan|gd|gl|glk|gn|got|gu|gv|ha|hak|haw|he|hi|hif|ho|hr|hsb|ht|hu|hy|hz|ia|id|ie|ig|ii|ik|ilo|io|is|it|iu|ja|jbo|jv|ka|kaa|kab|kg|ki|kj|kk|kl|km|kn|ko|kr|ks|ksh|ku|kv|kw|ky|la|lad|lb|lbe|lg|li|lij|lmo|ln|lo|lt|lv|map-bms|mdf|mg|mh|mi|mk|ml|mn|mo|mr|ms|mt|mus|my|myv|mzn|na|nah|nan|nap|nb|nds|nds-nl|ne|new|ng|nl|nn|no|nov|nrm|nv|ny|oc|om|or|os|pa|pag|pam|pap|pdc|pi|pih|pl|pms|pnt|ps|pt|qu|rm|rmy|rn|ro|roa-rup|roa-tara|ru|rw|sa|sah|sc|scn|sco|sd|se|sg|sh|si|simple|sk|sl|sm|sn|so|sq|sr|srn|ss|st|stq|su|sv|sw|szl|ta|te|tet|tg|th|ti|tk|tl|tn|to|tokipona|tp|tpi|tr|ts|tt|tum|tw|ty|udm|ug|uk|ur|uz|ve|vec|vi|vls|vo|wa|war|wo|wuu|xal|xh|yi|yo|za|zea|zh|zh-classical|zh-cn|zh-min-nan|zh-tw|zh-yue|zu):([^|]+\|?[^]]*)\]\]" "[[w:\1:\2]]"</pre>
*:::Ok, I can do it, after this other bug has been fixed [[User:Candalua|Candalua]] 09:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
*::::Perhaps it's better to do it before, so sysadmins know there will now broken links (the w: prefix always works). [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 17:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
*:::::{{Done}} for ns0, 457 pages were changed. [[User:Candalua|Candalua]] 19:27, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''' ---[[User:Vikiyazar|Vikiyazar]] 14:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''' As noted above, this issue caused me some pain at [[Bybel]]. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] 12:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''', what a great idea. Wish someone had done this five or six years ago. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 12:16, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 17:28, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''', and thanks to those who took care of this problem. [[User:Dovi|Dovi]] 19:56, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:Loginend ]] ==

Hi!

Could someone change the link
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:UserLogin
to
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sources/wiki/Special:UserLogin
? [[b:pt:User:Helder.wiki|Helder]] 13:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

{{Done}} [[User:Candalua|Candalua]] 19:36, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== Interwiki ==

I understand that they are working only in one direction, from here to other wikisources. Is there a problem to fix:
*<nowiki>[[:oldwikisource:page_on_old_wikisource]]</nowiki>
to work in the same way (I mean as interwiki from an wikisource to the old wikisource, not as a plain link how it works now)? [[User:Electron|Electron]] [[File:Smiley kabelsalat.gif|18px]] [[User Talk:Electron|''<Talk?>'']] 14:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

:There's [[bugzilla:13334]] for the general case, and [[bugzilla:26124]] for a language-specific workaround solution. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] 20:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

*There is a work-around that can be used in the interim: 
<nowiki>
{{Interwiki-info|ar1|(Old Wikisource)}}
</nowiki> <nowiki>
[[ar:oldwikisource:{{FULLPAGENAME}}]]
</nowiki> 
I chose 'ar' only because it would generally be at the top, any language will work. Obviously {{tl|Interwiki-info}} has to exist on the wiki, but it can be imported. There is no need for it here, but it exists at [[s:en:Template:Interwiki-info|en:Template:Interwiki-info]] and there are interwiki links from there to the template on several other subdomains. Most have the same form as above, although 'ru' and 'uk' have local Cyrillic names for the template. 
--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 09:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
**'''N.B.''' - if you aren't in the mainspace, you have to specify the namespace unless it's the same as on here or the above will give you the namespace name on the sending project (e.g. if you link your user page to here from de.ws with the above code it will produce a link to e.g. [[Benutzer:Doug]] instead of [[User:Doug]]. Just replace <nowiki>{{FULLPAGENAME}}</nowiki> with the wording of the link on this site. Also, there is some difference in the css I think on fr.ws causing this to fail, but you can see my userpage there to see how I've gotten around that. Not pretty but works for a user page.--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 10:12, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
*I'm wondering if there is a .css or .js solution to make this display in just ''Old Wikisource'' rather than having to display a language first. Thereby making it look like the other language links, in essence emulating the real thing.--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 10:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
*'''N.B.''' - the above relies on the common.js having the proper code. fr.ws has different code and thus behaves differently in this. That code would have to be imported to any other wikis together with the template, which would require at local-admin or steward privileges to be able to edit the .js. I am working on a further solution.--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 10:38, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
*New script pending that makes a more complete solution.--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 05:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

== orphans ==

I wonder if we could host orphan works here that would belong on a subdomain but for being rejected there for technical reasons. A few examples that come to mind:
#Works that don't have scans and for which none are likely to become available anytime soon on a subdomain that requires scans
#Works that are in the public domain in the United States but not in the country of primary readership where the language of a subdomain is largely spoken: two examples from de.ws 1) works seized from the Nazis are generally considered still in copyright in Germany; 2) works published before 1923 but whose authors lived beyond 1940 (a specific example: [[w:Hermann Hesse|Hermann Hesse]]; his works are in the public domain in the United States and would be eligible to be hosted on en.ws if they had been first published in English (even if first published in Germany) and English derivatives (such as translations) are eligible for hosting on en.ws if in the PD or published under a free license; yet the basic works cannot be because of a self-imposed rule).
#Other works that are declined by a subdomain for technical reasons (e.g. de.ws rejects works over 50 pages unless multiple proofreaders can be found - to the point of deleting indices so the user can't even work on the project in the background).
I wonder whether we could consider orphans to be within scope and put up such works here. If they later came into scope for a subdomain, they could easily be transwikied.--[[User:Doug|Doug]] 00:32, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:I just noticed that the system message when I went to add some content (actually on user talk) reads:
<blockquote>
You are about to create a new page. This is the multilingual Wikisource. Please note that Wikisource now has language subdomains for the following languages:

ar - az - bg - bn - br - bs - ca - cs - cy - da - de - el - en - eo - es - et - fa - fi - fo - fr - gl - he - hr - hu - hy - id - is - it - ja - kn - ko - la - li - lt - mk - ml - nl - no - pl - pt - ro - ru - sa - sah - sk - sl - sr - sv - ta - te - th - tr - uk - vec - vi - yi - zh - zh-min-nan

You should not create your page here if it is written on one of those languages. Exceptions may apply for pre-1923 work still copyrighted in its home country and forbidden in the specific language subdomain. See also how to submit a text for further information.
</blockquote>
:That implies that we can allow #2 above, at least; so maybe the others could be allowed by analogy.--[[User:Doug|Doug]] 07:23, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::Furthermore, I note this work [[Słownik_geograficzny_Królestwa_Polskiego]], just as a recent example, that shows this is being done, so #2 appears to be accepted practice. How about the others by analogy?
:::''Any work that is within scope of Wikisource and in the public domain in the United States but not eligible to be hosted on a subdomain for any reason, may be hosted here'' ??
::--[[User:Doug|Doug]] 13:28, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
*See also this discussion: [[:la:Vicifons:Scriptorium#Interproject_transclusion]], involving a case of an multilingual work being outright rejected on de.ws (per [http://de.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Skriptorium&oldid=1103234#Interwiki_Hilf this discussion] and related case here [[:de:Wikisource:Skriptorium/Archiv/2010/April#Agricola]]. Because it's impossible to set such works up in anything but page/index space there might be the possibility of transcribing the non-latin text here under the third case above. Though I'm not sure of this result, the ones above seem more certain to me, these multilingual works could reside entirely on the one language. But la.ws seems even more like the wrong place for the German text and some subdomains might have a problem with the idea of transcription of works outside their language. I don't really have a position on this one but list it here only for further background/discussion.--[[User:Doug|Doug]] 12:19, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
::I don't understand this proposal completely. If you consider it just a trick to circumvent local community policies, it would work, but I don't think it's a good idea. If you think it might be useful to avoid respecting some local laws, I don't see why the domain should matter: the servers and the people are the same; we usually respect local laws as well because contributors and readers reside in that country although the servers don't, and this wouldn't change. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 10:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC) P.s.: Don't call them "orphan works" or people will understand another thing.
:::The only part that has to do with any local laws is the copyright issue which old wikisource specifically allows (it's also discussed at [[Wikisource:subdomain coordination]]). That is because of a WMF policy relating to projects that have the majority of their readership coming from a particular country. The rest are matters where local projects have made internal decisions to exclude certain works that are otherwise within scope.--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 17:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
:::BTW, this wasn't intended to be a proposal so much as trying to get some feedback on how to deal with works that subdomains don't want/don't allow for reasons peculiar to the subdomain. The alternative is to put such works off project, such as at Wikilivres, but that seems entirely unnecessary when the work is within the scope of wikisource and PD ''at least'' in the United States. That's all. --[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 17:25, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== interwiki coordination, where and how? ==

Do we have a place dedicated to finding ways to make cross-subdomain work easier. Although the subdomains bring in a lot of editors who might not feel comfortable on a multilingual project, in part because it would tend towards work in a few major languages, particularly English; subdomains also [[w:Balkanize|Balkanize]] us. This is immediately apparent if you start doing cross-subdomain work because of issues like differences in templates, differently named templates, different formatting policies, and special rules that require users to set things up according to a particular guideline or even request permission before setting up a work. I have no difficulty transcribing French, German, or Latin (or any other language with a largely latin derive alphabet); however, I understand the first two only a little and the last one not at all - I can't read policies written in German or French and I can't find templates unless they are interwiki linked. Some things that can be done:
#we could establish a core set of templates (like center, underline, etc.) and work to ensure that they exist on all projects with redirects from major language names and interwiki links
#work to establish major language translations of core policies on subdomains, the way mw does; el.ws has done a good job on this but has low usership so maintaining such things is hard.
#ensuring system messages and the sidebar menu, etc. are translated
#identifying deficiencies such as a clear understanding of what to do with multilingual works and how best to set them up
For just a few of the many issues. Thoughts? And again, if we have a special place for this sort of thing, please let me know.--[[User:Doug|Doug]] 01:07, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

On [[Wikisource:Subdomain coordination]] there are some useful infos, we could start from that. Especially your point 1 seems to me like a good (and not too difficult) thing to do [[User:Candalua|Candalua]] 10:37, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
: Great, persisting troubles in interwiki transclusion, and lots of multi-lengual books, suggested me by a long time that wikisouce should be something like Commons, i.e. a big, unique, large multilingual project. Obviously this would solve any trouble; and I presume that a bold try to keep such a revolution into account would be a great goal.
: I think that it's an almost impossible task to keep template aligned among projects. The same, more subttly, happens with css: very good templates are unuseful without specific css settings. I agree that a core of common, shared templates & associated css settings would be useful; my suggestion is, to avoid translation of name of templates and parameters so that they could slowly get a feature of "common source syntax"; nevertheless, as long as interwiki transclusion is a dream, the only real solution would be, a common, unique, multilingual source project. --[[User:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] 14:23, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::Well, I am quite interested in this kind of issues, but I am torn between the technical and the political POV. I'm more inclined towards the second ones, but I'll try to understand and suggest what I can.
::As far as the first point is concerned, I'd like to see some effort to compile the "best" synthesis of common.css and common.js: I think that many hidden treasures should be shared and that a lot of legacy code could be stripped. In an ideal state a single common.css/js should be used: It's already working with [[Wikisource:Shared Scripts]]...
::As for the policies, I'm afraid that [[Wikisource:Subdomain coordination]] is currently the best effort with little margin for better definitions. every user should know that before uploading a new work there must be a check-in from local users, otherwise he should be ready to face deletions, warnings and so on: It's a matter of common sense. On it.source non acceptance of collaborative translations is seen as an anomaly, while on de.source there is a strict policy about the quality of the source which prevents the upload of existing transcriptions... I see no problem in it until there is wikilove and an approach aiming to dialogue and explanation.
::I'd like to propose something like [[:sk:s:Wikisource:Embassy]], a place where users from other projects can ask about policies and so on.
::As for Templates, I quote Candalua (see [[Template:delete]] working on almost every WMF project). - '''[[:it:s:Utente:OrbiliusMagister|εΔ]][[:it:s:Discussioni utente:OrbiliusMagister|ω]]''' 14:50, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I whole heartedly agree with [[User:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]], strategically speaking, although the subdomains have been great for getting works added and maintaining harmony over issues of what language to use, the subdomains have also become our greatest weakness. Multilingual works are held back and these are some of the most important works as they help expose people to ideas from other cultures and promote the study of language. I suggest these as baby steps and the core templates idea as just a point of departure, together with the thread above which discusses a (very trivial) scope clarification to ensure there aren't works that could go on an WMF project but are not allowed only because of a local rule.
:::I also think we need to develop and promote ''best practices'' in cross-subdomain work; such as is {{tl|iwpage}} the best solution for a truly multilingual work and how exactly can it best be implemented to leave room for future developments; just as an example.
:::[[User:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]], what do you mean by ''the technical and the political POV"?
:::--[[User:Doug|Doug]] 15:21, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:By the way, I appreciate the link though I don't see much discussion there; just a chart. I also note that many of the links are incorrectly formatted and result in linking to non-existent wikipedia pages. I'll work on that.--[[User:Doug|Doug]] 15:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::I have updated it, the problem was with the form of some links creating links to wikipedia and/or language links unintentionally.--[[User:Doug|Doug]] 09:57, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
*An example of a problem is here [[s:fr:Livre:Satires d'Horace et de Perse.djvu]]. half the pages are in latin and should be on la.ws. [[User:ThomasV]] started to move them but got an objection from the major editor. He deferred the matter until import was enabled on la.ws. It was enabled and I have now imported all of the latin pages here [[s:la:Liber:Satires d'Horace et de Perse.djvu]]. This one was not too bad but still I found the editors on fr had used [[s:fr:Modèle:Titre2ModePage]] and [[s:fr:Modèle:Titre3ModePage]]. I don't want to create these on la.ws and with some templates (not these) there could be conflicts. So, I replaced all of these templates with equivalent html/css (cf. [[s:fr:Page:Satires d'Horace et de Perse.djvu/244]] with [[s:la:Pagina:Satires d'Horace et de Perse.djvu/244]]). I don't really like the formatting used but the pages are already in use on fr, so I don't want to change them. That is two problems: 1) I can't improve it because I might mess up the other project's mainspace and 2) I can't even see that the page is in use elsewhere. Another problem is that fr has ''corrected'' the work! There is only one case but it is not something we do on la.ws: [[s:fr:Page:Satires d'Horace et de Perse.djvu/303]] (changing ''dans le tribu Véline'' in the original to ''dans la tribu Véline''). We can only fix this on fr and the editors there may object. These are just a few of the many problems one encounters.--[[User:Doug|Doug]] 09:57, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
*:More coordination is always a good thing; I just wanted to say that the decision to open subdomains has been taken long time ago and with good reason. I don't think that Commons is a good example, it's always failed to involve users of all languages and/because it's impossible to make it truly multilingual; and this despite having the obvious advantage over Wikisource that images are (usually) not language-dependent and that most of the content is self-published and in a CC license (which is more or less the same worldwide). --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 10:20, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
*::en: I agree, coordination is a good thing but it shouldn’t be imposed in a authoritary maner.
*::fr: Je suis d’accord, la coordination est une bonne chose mais elle ne doit pas s’imposer autoritairement.
*::de: Koordination ist eine gute Sache, aber es sollte keine autoritär.
*::br: A-du on, kenurzhiañ zo un dra vat met arrabat bezañ re greñv.
*::it: Sono d'accordo, coordinamento è una cosa positiva, …
*::zh: 我同意，协调是一件好事，…
*::Beginning with the template is a very good idea. I just discover there was no interwikilink in this template anywhere. I add some of them on the french template ([[:fr:template:Centré]]) but it’s a bit of a shame it wasn’t already done. Moreover, templates ''Center'' don’t use exactly the same code so odd behaviour may occur. So I think we must start somthing like [[Wikisource:Shared templates]].
*::For me, another good point is to stop uploading files locally. Commons is a better place for files (especially for multinlingual files).
*::By the way, I think that the first phrase is a good example to prove that being truly multilingual is an hard thing! Merge all the projet like on Commons could solve some problems but it will create new problems too. ''In fine'', I’m not sure it is a good idea. Moreover, with the breton wikisource, I’ve seen that since the project is independant it grows far much faster !
*::Cdlt/A galon, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] 23:56, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
*:::I agree, I don't mean to suggest the re-consolidation of the projects (or at least not to argue for it), but rather that the subdomains cause issues that need to be recognized and addressed. You're right, templates are a mess and {{tl|center}} (which apparently doesn't even exist here) on other projects is among the worst (some have the divs on above an below which creates padding, some are affected by indentation, some use the deprecated <code><nowiki><center></center></nowiki></code>, etc). I have taken to using a priority of choices: 1) wiki-markup, 2) html4.0/css, 3) templates. Using the latter only for convenience or when the html would make the page really messy, such as to underline individual words throughout a page.--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 10:30, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

== DougBot ==

Do I need to request permission to use [[User:DougBot|DougBot]] here? The above job would be a small botable job, but others would occur if I start setting up works, which I intend to do. [[User:DougBot|DougBot]] operates flagged on en.ws and la.ws currently and is a pywikipedia bot running a few custom scripts, mostly developed with help from [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]. 
Could I get a flag for [[User:DougBot|DougBot]]? 
--[[User:Doug|Doug]] 15:27, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:What job, sorry? --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 10:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
::ha! Sorry, I forgot to say what I wanted to do. I was going to use it to fix some links, but found there were fewer than I thought and fixed them by hand. I use the bot on en.ws and la.ws to bot in the ocr and then clean up the work, removing stray characters and applying standard formatting to an individual work that I am working on. I find this greatly aids in proofreading, especially with poetry as most of the formatting can be bot-ed in and one must only check for spelling and the like. I also use the bot to run reports, so it may write to my userspace, particularly reports on backlinks. I can use the bot for more general replace.py jobs but on en.ws and la.ws this is normally only on request. At the moment, I am intending to set up several of the shorter works of Hermann Hesse, which are out of copyright in the United States but still in copyright in Germany, thus they must be hosted here until about 2033. Thanks.--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 10:48, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
::: I have seen Doug's work on the English and Latin Wikisource using a bot. He does a good job. I think he should get the bot flag. He would use it responsibly. --[[User:Mattwj2002|Mattwj2002]] 23:16, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

== Annotations? ==

Hi all,

Here’s a translation of what we have on the [http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Qu%E2%80%99est-ce_que_Wikisource_%3F#Neutralit.C3.A9_de_l.E2.80.99.C3.A9dition French « Qu’est-ce que Wikisource ? »]

:<Translation>

:There are a few possible cases of non-neutrality: as long as we faithfully reproduce and cite text, we don't violate the principle of neutrality. In contrast, highlight parts of a text, or copy only a portion can be considered as a point of view. We aim the sober presentation of full texts.

:Introductions and explanatory material in the most general case are not accepted, but if it is necessary to have them, they should always be written in accordance with this principle.

:</Translation>.

We intend to create a system in order to accommodate annotations on Wikibooks and texts without notes on Wikisource, offering readers a button to see the text and the notes or the text alone. It hasn’t been done yet. And you, have you tried some solutions like that? I believe ThomasV has been making something of the kind but hasn’t achieved it as far as I know. We were looking for some means to show different notes in different colors when the annotators were multiple. -- Try [http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Aaafly/traduction_juxtapos%C3%A9e2 Options d’affichage] here in the left menu-- We wonder if this might be a possible tool. Any ideas? -[[User:Zyephyrus|Zyephyrus]] 09:00, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

:We are discussing similar topics at [[s:en:Wikisource talk:Annotations]] and other pages listed there and [[User:Inductiveload]] has made a script to change all interwikilinks to black so they won't show unless you mouse-over them; though it has not yet been adopted. I have also noticed a mention of annotations by [[User:Dovi]] at [[Wikisource talk:Subdomain coordination]] and wonder what system they have at he.ws. I think it would be good to make regular notes here about the progress of this on different projects so we can all learn from each other.--[[User:Doug|Doug]] 09:41, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

::Hi, to answer your question, we have a special namespace for annotated texts at Hebrew Wikisource. [[User:Dovi|Dovi]] 16:56, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

== New Script to Display Language Sidebar Links to Old Wikisource ==

As a follow up to the [[#Interwiki|discussion above]]: [[User:Kingpin13]] and I (well, mostly Kingpin), have developed a script to display language sidebar links to old wikisource. Three things are required: 1) [[:s:en:User:Doug/oldws.js|the script]], 2) an extra language link (I recommend an Arabic link at the top of the list with a note so that it won't be accidentally removed) on the page you want the link, and 3) a line of html in the form: <code><nowiki></nowiki></code>, where "Foo" is the full page name (page name and namespace) for the target page here. This could of course be templatized but I am leaving the instructions showing the html to avoid issues with translation of templates, etc. Full documentation is [[:s:en:User:Doug/oldws|here]]. The script is currently in the common.js on both en.ws and la.ws and links are showing on the main page and scriptorium of both subdomains. Note that you will initially see two Arabic links, the first of which should quickly be replaced by a link to "Old Wikisource". The script is fully compatible with ThomasV's script (used with <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[:en:Template:Interwiki-info|Interwiki-info]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> on several projects) to add notes after language links, so long as you don't try to declare the same links as having both a note and a link to here; if you do, the link to here will take precedence.--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 10:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, thanks for the effort, but honestly I don't like it. This "fake interwiki" will probably interfere with interwiki bots. Moreover, it looks like there's an easier way to achieve this. Any link like <nowiki>[[oldwikisource:Foo]] renders in html as: <a href="http://wikisource.org/wiki/Foo" class="extiw" title="oldwikisource:Foo">oldwikisource:Foo</a>. So maybe you can just look in the content body for every a.extiw node with title beginning with oldwikisource, move it to the sidebar and modify it to make it look like an interwiki.</nowiki> (Anyway, the best solution at all will be to fix it at bugzilla, but...) [[User:Candalua|Candalua]] 11:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

:Well, I have an interwiki bot too and they are not easy to run on wikisource for many other reasons that are a lot more of an issue than this script. I welcome improvements to the script and easier ways to do this but I think you'll find that it's not easy to simply "move [links] to the sidebar", at least not the language sidebar. But if you can do it, please do.--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 12:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Look [[:s:en:User:Candalua/vector.js|here]]! You'll see that using jQuery helps a lot! :-) This script creates the "other languages" section if there isn't one, then finds every link to oldwikisource and moves it to the sidebar. Now I will do some more testing, if it works well I think I'm going to put it into [[Wikisource:Shared scripts]]. [[User:Candalua|Candalua]] 13:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

*Excellent! Well, I'm glad I inspired you at least! ;-)--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 14:45, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

In [[Wikisource:Shared scripts]] you find OldwikisourceInterwiki.js with instruction to install. There's just a small problem, that <nowiki>[[oldwikisource:Foo]] and [[:oldwikisource:Foo]]</nowiki> produce the same result, so with this script will not be able to use plain inline links. On [[MediaWiki:OldwikisourceInterwiki.js]] I suggest some workarounds. The best solution at all will be to have a [[mul:]] prefix like proposed in [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13334 bug 13334] [[User:Candalua|Candalua]] 09:35, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

:Of course, but talking about the bug is not particularly useful; unless we can get the kind of response that came up (finally) re the babel extension. For the time being, even that still requires a work around as is used on meta and la.ws.--[[User:Doug|Doug.]]([[User talk:Doug|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doug|contribs]]) 11:15, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

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== Chile Ilustrado 1872 ==

Diego, I uploaded the DJVU file for you. It can be found [[Commons:File:Chile Ilustrado 1872.djvu|here.]] We might need to clean up the info for the file. Also, you'll have to create the index for the Spanish Wikisource. Anyways, I wanted to let you know that it is done. --[[User:Mattwj2002|Mattwj2002]] 12:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

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== Official works like edicts of governments still copyrighted at home ==
In addition to [[#Pre-1923 works that are public domain in the USA but still copyrighted in their home countries]] now accepted here if forbidden by language subdomains, I would like to raise a concern of [[w:official text|official text]] like edicts of governments still copyrighted at home. Most countries and areas copyrighting their edicts of governments officially speak English and possibly other languages. English Wikisource has [[s:Template:PD-EdictGov]] for official works considered by the US Copyright Office Practices to be ineligible for copyright even if they are still copyright-restricted at home. After intensive debates, some of these works were once deleted when considering the source country copyright, but they were undeleted after applying § 206.01 of the Compendium II: Copyright Office Practices while most users of English Wikisource users are Americans and non-American users have not raised major objections.

However, hosting edicts of governments still copyrighted at home may be unwise at other language subdomains. For example, Chinese Wikisource probably has at least Mainland China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan as the countries and areas where the project content is '''predominantly accessed''' defined by [[wmf:Resolution:Licensing policy]]. Whether to host Hong Kong edicts of governments still copyrighted there would cause more concern than on English Wikisource, so I am hosting a [[s:zh:Wikisource:投票#原作地有版權的官方作品|policy vote]]. For now, I do not expect hosting copyrighted Hong Kong edicts of governments on Chinese Wikisource feasible.

After all, I would like to propose allowing this multilingual portal to host edicts of governments still copyrighted at home and rejected by language subdomains due to "local" copyright concerns and policies. Any comments? If no major objections here, I will make necessary copyright tags to explain why host them here but not language subdomains.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 03:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:After waiting for several weeks, hosting edicts of governments still copyrighted at home has been passed 4-2 on Chinese Wikisource, so I will not bring Hong Kong edicts of governments still copyrighted there to this portal.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 04:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

== Collection extension ==

Are there plans to implement the [[:mw:Extension:Collection|Collections extension]] for us (wikisource.org) as well? [[User:Anrie|Anrie]] 12:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

:see [[bugzilla:15970]], [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 13:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

:As reported in mailing list it has been anabled for all Wikisources and - I hope - should be seen soon in the toolbox. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 08:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

:See [[bugzilla:15970]] - we have been forgotten :-) but now it is here. Enjoy, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 21:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Gadgets ==

Would it be okay to copy a gadget or two to [[MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition]]? It would really help some of the more time-consuming, tedious things I need to do. [[User:Anrie|Anrie]] 17:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:can you describe them a bit? If they are OK and if nobody protests so i can edit them in the page (it is open to admins only). [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 17:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::Well, the one I recently discovered, that could be very helpful is an editing gadget called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cacycle/wikEd wikiEd]]. The content of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-wikEd.js] will need to be copied to our [[MediaWiki:Gadget-wikEd.js]] and then linked to from [[MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition]]. I don't see how anyone can protest too much - if you want to use it, you'll have to say so in your preferences. Other people won't even notice it, since it's not installed in the Monobook.js. [[User:Anrie|Anrie]] 19:29, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:OK I'll do it this evening or tomorrow, then you will have it. Cheers, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:So, I've implemented the wikEd tool here and hope it works (the page is some 360 kB long). Cheers, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 11:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::-jkb- Thanks! ---[[User:Zyephyrus|Zyephyrus]] 13:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::Excellent! Thank you very much, jkb. [[User:Anrie|Anrie]] 16:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:The pleasure is on my side :-), [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 16:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Limburgish ==

Limburgish has its own Wikisource edition since May 2008. The texts were imported on that wiki. But the old ones (355 pages) are still present here. See [[:Category:Limburgish]]. Shouldn't they be deleted? --[[User:Slomox|::Slomox::]] [[User talk:Slomox|><]] 17:59, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

:yep, see [http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThomasV&diff=246375&oldid=246344], [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 21:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Applying the text advancement to other wikis ==

Hello,
I'm a User in the Arabic Wikisource and was wondering how I would put the button of text advancement in the edit menu to the Arabic wikisource. Applying this would help a lot in knowing the quality of Pages and is tremendously needed. Thanks a lot.--[[User:Diaa abdelmoneim|Diaa abdelmoneim]] ([[User talk:Diaa abdelmoneim|talk]]) 13:29, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
:You have an answer [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Applying_the_text_advancement_to_other_wikis here].---[[User:Zyephyrus|Zyephyrus]] 20:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

== Wikimania 2009 ==
Wikimania 2009, this year's global event devoted to [[foundation:Home|Wikimedia]] projects around the globe, is accepting submissions for presentations, workshops, panels, posters, open space discussions, and artistic works related to the Wikimedia projects or free content topics in general. The conference will be held from '''August 26-28''' in [[w:Buenos Aires|Buenos Aires]], [[w:Argentina|Argentina]]. For more information, check the official [[wm2009:Call for Participation|Call for Participation]]. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 18:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== me and the mutation ==

As some people asked me what's going on hereby I make a short statement concerning my edit on the Czech Wikisource beginning of November 2008 announcing my "75-%-wikibreak" there. 
Since say 2007, as there were more and more tensions on the Czech Wikipedia (RfC's and Arbcom's on mobbing and other problems, desysopings, personalizing of problems, other conflicts) I decreased my activity there and concentrated myself on cs.source. But by the time and since spring 2008 the conflicts swapped into the Wikisource subdomain. People who did not work in the subdomain tried to take influence on different questions; two admins of the cs.wiki accused me to be a dictator and the cs.source (i.e. me) should censore free meanings (more times contributed by two admins there, my request to clear this had no influence; this is quite serious as the cs.source needed new users); attempts to unify cs.source with other Czech projects were made, in the same time my wording "Czech Wikisource is a subdomain of the multilingual one" was reverted several times to a "Czech mutation"; after I deleted some 25 long time copyvios in October I was accused (BTW by one of the leading members of the Czech branch of the Wikimedia Foundation) that I decreased the value of the subdomain by fifty per cent (there are some 7000 pages); also in November the second bureaucrat (with some other people - ???) started an inquiry about the future of Wikisource - I got notice of it from an announcement in Scriptorium (my question, why nobody contacted me before is still without an answer, as well I do not know the results); etc. etc. etc. 
Additionally, I strongly do not agree when not active users - or even IP's - take influence on the future of the subdomain (posting bugs for new namespaces etc. without a consensus, after some IP's and not active users decided it); I do not agree when when conflicts from outside are imported. 
This is only a very short and simple (and probably POV) description of what happens on the Czech projects. Anyway, there must be a point to stop after I took part there since May 2004 although living in Germany; and I'm not like to colaborate with users (e.g. the second bureaucrat), who are reverting my former approved edits as "infantilities". After a long time of thinking about it I rejected my first decission, I will not stop being active on Wikimedia project. But I have to find new priorities. 
Thus, I do not see any chance to take influence on the development there, and thus I cannot take the responisbility there after November 1st 2008. I keep my bct rights however. And, I would not like to see any imports of problems I mentioned to this domain. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 21:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Probably many copyrigt violations here ==

I think there is a lack of information and control about possible copyright violations - here and also on some subdomains, primarilly on the small ones. We have to find a sollution, but I do not know which one. I noticed a discussion on meta at [[:m:Wikimedia Forum#Copyright policy on Albanian Wikipedia]] (after archiving: February 2009) and I followed also on the Albanian Wiki (oh gosh, the google translator is a unbelieviable horrible innovation), then I discovered some possible Copyvios (images + texts) here, too (see [[User talk:Tufche#Question on possible copyvios]] and [[User talk:Cradel#please see...]]). I will work on it this week, I gues the images and the texts must be tagged as copyvios, but there is a lot of another albanian pages which I do not understand and further pages which are a sort of "analysis" and "fragments" - I am very sceptical about this.

However, in the past we did not look at this problem, when a language section had a sufficient amount of pages a new subdomain was created. We assumed that the users learned something on copyright in the Wikipedias. But now it seems to me to be a mistake. Sure, languages like Limburgish or Upper Sorbian have no problem - they learn it e.g. in the German Wikipedia. But not all. And I am not sure whether we know how many copyrigt violations we host on this domain. Probably many ones. I am not sure how to solve this problem - just discuss. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 21:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I generally agree that many people have no idea about copyright issues, so a lot of copyrighted texts are published on Wikisource. The fact that, according to Mike Godwin, Wikimedia Foundation layer, any text should be public domain in USA, that the USA do not recognize the rule of shorter term, and that the copyright of many foreign texts were restored by URAA make explaining copyright issues very difficult. It is also difficult to do something when the language is not understood. [[User:Yann|Yann]] 21:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree that it is quite difficult here when we do not understand the most languages (so I do not). But, when I click on the links and see that the text comes from a living author born 1960 and when I do not find a notice (and an OTRS-mail, I can read them) that he or she allows the text under the PD conditions, so I can assume it '''is''' a copyvio. And I am like to tag some ones. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 16:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

==Albanian copyvios==
As I announced above ([[#Probably many copyrigt violations here]]) I will have to tag some more files and pages as copyvios. See
* [[Wikisource:Possible copyright violations/archive 4#Photos of Albanian authors]] - 6 files
* [[Wikisource:Possible copyright violations/archive 4#Albanian authors and their work]] - copyvio as not sufficient for 70 years after death
Please see there for further discussion, thanks, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 11:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== revisionjumper (gadget) ==

I have installed today here a provisory version of so called '''revisionjumper''' by [[:w:de:User:DerHexer]]. In the next days we shall continue to work on it and so I hope we shall have a manual soon. I guess it will be installed on en.wiki soon as well. The German manual is to be found here: [[:w:de:Benutzer:DerHexer/revisionjumper]], the English manual will be soon at [[Wikisource:Revisionjumper]]. Test it, you can find it in the preferences, active there the gadget ''revisionjumper''. '''Please use the page [[Wikisource talk:Revisionjumper]] to give us your experience''' with it. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 18:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== Admin is needed ==

Dear Colleagues! Hungarian Wikisource page surpassed the Thai one, see [http://hu.wikisource.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A1lis:Friss_v%C3%A1ltoztat%C3%A1sok Husource]. Please see to it, that this Wikisource gets in the circle on the front page of Wikisource. We are very happy to congratulate our Hungarian friends!! --[[User:Burumbátor|Burumbátor]] 08:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

First, congratulations for it. And then, I personally do not know how to handle it: the statistics say [http://th.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A8%E0%B8%A9:%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%96%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B4&action=raw thai 12636], [http://hu.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1lis:Statisztika&action=raw hungarian 12659], [http://pl.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Specjalna:Statystyka&action=raw polish 12550] (just now) that means that we could change it very often in the next days. Wait for another admins what they say. Go on, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 09:26, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

::I will not update it, because there is an ongoing discussion on changing the main page. see [http://wikisource.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Changing_the_main_page this discussion], and the mailing list. [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 11:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

You know it. Concerning frequent updating: Thai wiki moves one article/week, Polish wiki moves 10 articles/week, Hungarian wikisource moves 300 articles/month. But again, you know it, I cannot read all long discussions, just drew your attention: in the circle now there is a wikisource (Thai), which is already superseeded by another one, thus does not represent the real statistics. Regards, --[[User:Burumbátor|Burumbátor]] 17:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

:After 3 days: Hungarian 12,828, Thai still 12,636, Polish: 12,522. --[[Special:Contributions/89.237.252.122|89.237.252.122]] 10:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

:[[Image:Yes_check.svg|20px| ]] '''Done''' There is significant growth here, and while the discussions continue the Hungarians can enjoy their time in the sun. [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 13:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks, boys! :) We want to enjoy a few days in the sun, and I think the guys really made a very important effort, all legal texts! By now it is 12,898...
::Thanks again! --[[User:Burumbátor|Burumbátor]] 15:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wikipedia on the wheels ==

We seem to have a new Wikipedia here in Wikisource. Today, I saw by a chance the new page [[Main Page:Peçenek]], then I had a look at the [[:Category:Pecheneg]] which is full of subcategories and articles. I controlled some ten or twelve, the most of them from January or February 2009, and I am sure, somebody created here a new Wikipedia, not Wikisource. What now? [[User:-jkbx-|-jkbx-]] 08:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

:notice and delete, imo [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 10:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

See Wikisource:Proposed deletions, [[User:-jkbx-|-jkbx-]] 18:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Aeres ==

I'd propose to delete [[Main Page:Aeres]] and the whole project. It's a made-up language and the inventor isn't working on it anymore. Is there any reason to keep projects like that? --[[User:Slomox|::Slomox::]] [[User talk:Slomox|><]] 16:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

See Wikisource:Proposed deletions, [[User:-jkbx-|-jkbx-]] 18:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Czornaruski ==

And what's the language of [[:Category:Czornaruski]]? Google knows "Czornaruski" only as a surname. --[[User:Slomox|::Slomox::]] [[User talk:Slomox|><]] 17:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

See Wikisource:Proposed deletions, [[User:-jkbx-|-jkbx-]] 18:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Middle Dutch ==

And [[:Category:Middle Dutch]] is completely covered by the Dutch Wikisource. The test project should be deleted. --[[User:Slomox|::Slomox::]] [[User talk:Slomox|><]] 17:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

See Wikisource:Proposed deletions, [[User:-jkbx-|-jkbx-]] 18:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Bot run ==

I'd like to bot create a series of information templates about writers for the Low Saxon test project. It's a list of 630 pages. Should I apply for bot status (where?) or does anybody else with a bot-flag do the bot run for me? --[[User:Slomox|::Slomox::]] [[User talk:Slomox|><]] 20:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

:Or should I just go ahead without flag? --[[User:Slomox|::Slomox::]] [[User talk:Slomox|><]] 13:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

::I can give you bot flag; please create a separate user for the bot [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 15:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

:::My bot account is [[User:Slobot]]. --[[User:Slomox|::Slomox::]] [[User talk:Slomox|><]] 22:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

== it is summer time... ==

A little bit new feature: in the preferences you can choose your time zone, then you do not have to change the difference to the UTC even when the winter time changes to summer time. it should function. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 11:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wikimania 2009: Scholarships ==
Wikimania 2009, this year's global event devoted to [[foundation:Home|Wikimedia]] projects around the globe, is now accepting '''applications for scholarships''' to the conference. This year's conference will be handled from August 26-28 in [[w:Buenos Aires|Buenos Aires]], [[w:Argentina|Argentina]]. The scholarship can be used to help offset the costs of travel and registration. For more information, check the official [[wm2009:Scholarships|information page]]. Please remember that the [[wm2009:Call for Participation|Call for Participation]] is still open, please submit your papers! Without submissions, Wikimania would not be nearly as fun! - [[User:Rjd0060|Rjd0060]] 02:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== OTRS ==

Since maybe 2006 or 2007 I have the OTRS access, that I requested for me as user of the cs.source. I am not quite sure if this will be important here in the future, but maybe we could discuss if it would be advantageous to have a own OTRS address for the Oldwikisource or for all wikisources. To request it schould be easy. We could decide who should request the access for this channel (as OTRS is divided in many ones), I can do it by myself as well. What about it? [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 16:57, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:If current OTRS is too crowded, I have no objection having a separate Wikisource OTRS. As you are also a [[Wikilivres:|Wikilivres:]] administrator, your OTRS access also helps that Canadian site to help bypass some USA-specific copyright problems on Wikisource, as I no of no other Wikilivres administrator having OTRS access.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 19:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Possible documents for import ==

For enWS, I have been working through [[en:Category:Copy to Wikisource]]. There are a number of documents at that page that are tagged that actually are in non-English, and may be worth considering to be imported here. They are not marked according to language. -- [[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]] 07:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:Acknowledged, but English ones should be imported to English Wikisource if acceptable here. Others may be imported here if no subdomains may take them. If any is not copyright-okay, just delete without importing.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 04:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== When Candalua is editing... ==

... :-) or another very active user here, it is quite difficult to follow the recent changes. Please see [[bugzilla:15595]] and support it, it could be helpfull. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 16:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Bugs after software refresh ==

There will be some more bugs, I guess, but this one could be specific fot Wikisource: the autosumm messages do not work her, although they work on the German Wikipedia. See my edit [http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:-jkb-/third&curid=61953&diff=257203&oldid=257202 here], [http://wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Autosumm-blank this] should have appeared. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 16:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Import from Incubator ==

Hello, on Incubator we have currently at least two Wikisources. A Coptic and an Ancient Greek one. They should be transferred to here. On [[Special:ListUsers/import]] I see [[User:Jusjih]] is the only importer. He could do that, or if nobody objects I could ask import access at [[m:rfp]] so I can do it myself. (I'm used to import, I often do it when new wikis are created.) Thanks, [[User:SPQRobin|SPQRobin]] 23:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:You mean the 30 pages listed at http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:AllPages prefixed Ws/cop and Ws/grc, right? I have imported the edit history of these 30 pages. Please check. When moving to rename them, it is possible to suppress the redirect from the old page name if you prefer. It seems that administrator may import now, while import flag may be issued to non-administrator. I got the import flag when administrators could not import yet.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 01:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hi. I'm an editor from Ws/cop on incubator and I have reviewed all of the imports. From what I see, they are almost certainly as they should be, but, as you said, the pages here still require moves/renames, and the categories as well require renames & subsequent creations to fit with Oldwikisource. Also, I see that the templates (except for any foreign ones meant only for incubator) all need to be compatible with that of the original in order to function properly. Perhaps the first thing is to do is move the main page(s) to the correct title? [[User:Troy 07|~Troy]] 03:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::PS: I have just noticed that one thing was left out—talk pages. (See the prefix index for [http://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=Talk%3AWs%2Fcop&namespace=0 Ws/cop] & [http://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=Talk%3AWs%2Fgrc&namespace=0 Ws/grc].) Should the same be done for those? [[User:Troy 07|~Troy]] 06:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::FYI: as far as I know the ''transwiki import'' (possible to every admin) has been disabled since months, but even if now enabled, it is enabled for import from some 20 wikisource subdomains, not from the incubator (bug would be necessary). The ''import upload'' (i.e. what Jusjih did today via file at the local PC) can be done by Jusjih only. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 08:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Indeed, according to [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. Btw, you could've edited the XML file to change the titles, as I usually do when importing. That's much easier than renaming all those pages. Anyway it's too late now :-) [[User:SPQRobin|SPQRobin]] 10:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:::::Well, you are right when you edit a XML file with one article, that's quite easy, but when you import more articles at once it is rather irritating to edit and change it. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 11:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::A simple find and replace :-) [[User:SPQRobin|SPQRobin]] 16:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::::-) might be when you're exporting Dutch or English pages. But did you ever try to export a XLM file with some mor Coptic pages like Jusjih did today? Normally, how will you search and replace  with  when you do not have a Coptic characters and if you will controll what you are doing? :-) I have tried it now, it is similar to Czech pages etc. The xml file is not to be read. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 16:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:::::You're probably right, because I can view Coptic characters and I can tell you right now that those weren't copied right. I can't even see these characters in their native font (?????????). So, it may not be that bad to rename the files directly on Wikisource rather than to edit the XML files. (Besides, there are a couple of conflicting templates that weren't an issue on incubator.) [[User:Troy 07|~Troy]] 17:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::::::I haven't had any such problems yet. I can always download fonts so I can view it. Anyway the most important is that they are imported now, not the way how they were imported :-) [[User:SPQRobin|SPQRobin]] 19:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Quite true. And it's good that most/all of the data looks unharmed here. After the page/cat/template renames, it should look good as new ;) [[User:Troy 07|~Troy]] 19:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Request for Coptic characters in Edittools ==

Can somebody edit [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] to allow for Coptic characters (per the Unicode Standard for [http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2C80.pdf Coptic] and [http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0370.pdf Demotic Coptic] characters, respectively)? The [[:Category:Coptic|Coptic Wikisource Project]] was just transferred from Incubator where we had Coptic Unicode insert characters before. Now that it's here, it would be very useful and even necessary to have them here in order to type more conveniently and effectively. Here are the characters according to the latest [[Comprehensive Coptic Unicode 5.1 test page|Unicode Standard for Coptic characters]]:

{{Script/Coptic|
Ⲁ ⲁ Ⲃ ⲃ Ⲅ ⲅ Ⲇ ⲇ Ⲉ ⲉ Ⲋ ⲋ Ⲍ ⲍ Ⲏ ⲏ Ⲑ ⲑ Ⲓ ⲓ Ⲕ ⲕ Ⲗ ⲗ Ⲙ ⲙ Ⲛ ⲛ Ⲝ ⲝ Ⲟ ⲟ Ⲡ ⲡ Ⲣ ⲣ Ⲥ ⲥ Ⲧ ⲧ Ⲩ ⲩ Ⲫ ⲫ Ⲭ ⲭ Ⲯ ⲯ Ⲱ ⲱ Ⲳ ⲳ Ⲵ ⲵ Ⲷ ⲷ Ⲹ ⲹ Ⲻ ⲻ Ⲽ ⲽ Ⲿ ⲿ Ⳁ ⳁ Ⳃ ⳃ Ⳅ ⳅ Ⳇ ⳇ Ⳉ ⳉ Ⳋ ⳋ Ⳍ ⳍ Ⳏ ⳏ Ⳑ ⳑ Ⳓ ⳓ Ⳕ ⳕ Ⳗ ⳗ Ⳙ ⳙ Ⳛ ⳛ Ⳝ ⳝ Ⳟ ⳟ Ⳡ ⳡ Ⳣ ⳣ ⳤ ⳥ ⳦ ⳧ ⳨ ⳩ ⳪ ⳹ ⳺ ⳻ ⳼ ⳽ ⳾ ⳿ Ϣ ϣ Ϥ ϥ Ϧ ϧ Ϩ ϩ Ϫ ϫ Ϭ ϭ Ϯ ϯ}}

So, please include it in Edittools in the same format as the other languages. Thanks, [[User:Troy 07|~Troy]] 01:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

::To avoid problems: as i cannot read the characters, I would need a link or a hint how they were included on the incubator, then i could try. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 21:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

:::Good idea. I happened to look for it just in case before I asked. [[incubator:Incubator:Community_Portal/Archive/2008#Coptic_letters|Here]] is the first reference to a request being made, and the [[incubator:User_talk:SPQRobin/archive/3#Coptic_letters|discussion here]] carried on in SPQRobin's talk page. SPQRobin told me to request for it here on the Multilingual Wikisource so that a local sysop could do the job. Btw, the [[incubator:MediaWiki:Edittools|Edittools page on incubator]] is ordered differently than the one here, so I think it might be a little more of a challenge to re-format it into this style. As I can read the characters, I could try to do it myself on [[User:Troy 07/Sandbox|my Sandbox]] and let you transfer it, if you wish. [[User:Troy 07|~Troy]] 23:13, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

::I have done it, but now please have a look at it for I see ??????? only :-), [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 12:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

:::I have taken a look at it, and it worked fine on Firefox, but not Internet Explorer. I have fixed it, however. Unless I have missed something, it should work fine now. Can you please copy the [[User:Troy 07/Sandbox|current version]] now? Thanks. [[User:Troy 07|~Troy]] 22:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

:::I meant [http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Troy_07/Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=259107 this revision], to be precise. If one were to have just one of the fonts, than it should be displayed correctly as shown there. [[User:Troy 07|~Troy]] 01:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

::OK, done, pls controll, regards [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 13:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

:::Thanks, it should be better now. Since it's cluttered a bit, it would make sense for us to consider drop-down menus. I will notify you if we need anything otherwise. Cheers, [[User:Troy 07|~Troy]] 22:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

==ancient greek ==

who decided that ancient greek should go on ws.org?
are ancient greek texts refused at el.wikisource ?
[[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 04:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

:It will be decided by the language committee whether Ancient Greek should go on el.wikisouce or if it should have its own project. Meanwhile it should stay here. [[User:SPQRobin|SPQRobin]] 07:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::Some details about grc.wikisource.org are here [[meta:Language committee/Status/ws/grc]] (if it succed, I will probably ask for fro and/or frm wikisources). Cdlt, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] 15:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

== Do not restore files at the moment ==

There seems to be a bug: after restoring a file this is deleted but not restored / archived so that it is lost (when I understood it well). See [http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/07/internal-updates-moving-files-around/ tech blog] and the talk on de.wiki [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administratoren/Notizen#Bitte_derzeit_keine_gel.C3.B6schten_Dateien_wiederherstellen here]. The problem should be solved soon. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 09:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

<s>== Hotcat ==

Hi, does anyone know why [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hotcat Hotcat] script doesn't work here? I've added it to my monobook, cleared history & etc, but it doesn't work either. --[[User:George Mel|George Mel]] 11:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)</s>

== Proposing some functions for all Wikisource domains ==

I would like to propose two functions to potentially benefit all Wikisource domains, including this multilingual portal and language subdomains:
#As Wikimedia-wide announcements are sometimes made, I would like to propose enabling Wikisource-wide announcements when needed. For example, if what I write at [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] about acceptance of pre-1923 works copyrighted at home can be announced Wikisource-wide, more users will more likely report their local policies and ''de facto'' practices.
#As Wikisource domains may have works in the public domain in some countries and areas but still copyright-restricted without licenses compatible with CC or GFDL, I would like to propose enabling either of the following Wikisource-wide:
#:Collapsible pages may warn that works within the collapsible portions of pages are OK in Florida, USA where Wikisource server is located, but possibly copyright-restricted elsewhere. The situations may be explained outside the collapsible portions.
#:Floating messages may also warn the different copyright status in different parts of the world, but I am unsure how to do this.
To make examples why the second proposal to warn different copyright status around the world is important:
#English Wikisource has many texts public domain in the USA but still copyright-restricted in most other countries and areas. Applying the second proposal may better protect non-US users from unintentionally violating copyright in their home jurisdictions and better comply with [[wmf:Resolution:Licensing_policy]] regarding the law of countries where the project content is predominantly accessed.
#French Wikisource also has some texts public domain in the USA but still copyright-restricted in France. Applying the second proposal is even more important for users in France. Works by those died for France get 30 years of extra copyright term in addition to regular term of life + 70 years until year end.
#Without applying the second proposal yet, Chinese Wikisource considers it undesirable to host pre-1923 texts still copyright-restricted in Greater China copyrighting for life + 50 (70 in Singapore with the rule of the shorter term) years until year end. Yet works public domain in USA and Taiwan but copyright-restricted in Hong Kong and Singapore, such as Hong Kong and Singaporean legal texts, are accepted though discouraged.
Hopefully someone skillful is able to enable my proposed functions to better serve all Wikisource domains. Thanks in advance.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 03:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

::if chinese wikisource considers it undesirable to host pre-1923 texts still copyrighted in PRC, why should these texts be hosted at ws.org ?
::I have blanked the notice because it has been there for a very long time; it should not stay forever.
::I think that collapsable pages is a much better solution than to refuse to host texts at subdomains.
::[[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 08:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

:::First my remark to point 1, general sitenotices for all WS subdomains. OK, why not, but unfortunately we should not expect a great impact as the most subdomains have no tight relationship to the "mother" oldwikisource (my opinion). But nevertheless I vote with Yes. Point 2, collapsible parts of texts. I am not sure what is the situation ''de jure'', and there fore I am not sure if it helps in every case. In fact it remembers me on similar warnings on different internet websites, where you for the first time cannot see what the show, but after you klick on "I declare I am over 16 - OK" you get simply in. Might be we should continue like it is (pre-1923-works on oldwikisource), and when somebody thinks it would be better, we can collaps all these texts here. Regards, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 10:03, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Enabling collapsible pages is important to allow language subdomains to host texts in their languages when still copyright-restricted in countries where the project content is predominantly accessed. Does anyone know how to enable it? Once enabled, pre-1923 Chinese texts still copyright-restricted in Greater China can be sent out of here. My idea requires some coordination with subdomains once they have broken away and some do not even have formal copyright policies.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 00:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well it will concern some languages like Chinese, English, French etc. I use the collapsible templates in the German Wikipedia (see [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:-jkb-/Links]), normally they use a template [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Navigationsleiste Navigationsleiste], see also the interwikis there, but to install it you must also make some changes in monobook.css etc. Regards, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 23:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Wikisource news ==

The pages [[Wikisource:2005]] to [[Wikisource:2009]] were initially intended
to favor communication of news about subdomains. I do not think that this
goal has been achieved. Most subdomains do not make the effort of writing
things in there, so most entries remain empty. And when they do, it is mostly
in order to record that their subdomain has reached a given number of pages,
which nobody cares about.

I propose to replace this system with a single blog-style page, called
for example [[Wikisource:News]]. The page would display a list of
announcements about subdomains, and only this (no discussions).
Each announcement would be formatted with a title, date, icon and
username of the reporter. Most recent items should be prepended
to the top of the list.

[[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 15:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

:ack. And if I'm like to know the numbers so we have good [[http://s23.org/wikistats/wikisources_html.php statistics]. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 16:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

ok, since there was no opposition I created the page [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 12:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

==Proofread with multilingual books==
There are lots of books, specially about [minoritary] languages "B", written in a language "A" (usually Spanish, French, German and English), with poetry or very large texts written in "B", but also commented, annotated, prologued or extensively expanded in "A". For raw text, it is easy to allow navigation inter-wikisources with the correct links in the header. For example, a mainly Catalan-poems book with French, Occitan, Greek, Spanish and other languages' translations within the same book: [[Lou carlamusaire de Llobregat]] is an example. Please, comment it if you don't agree with that behaviour.

But now with Pages and Index, and with the impossibility to transclude from one domain to another, I ask you if you agree with me, because I am really not sure how to handle it. The first option of every case is my best preference, do you agree?:

("N" means "B language" and "C language" and "D language" etc, but not "A language")

* Case 1: If the book is written mainly in A, and has just a few pages in N:
#Option 1 (one Index, duplicate raw text): Include all the pages and Index at A-Wikisource, optional duplication of the N-"raw text" at N-Wikisources, but do not create Pages nor Index at N-Wikisources. Proofreading with Textquality template at N-Wikisource, and with Pagequality at A-Wikisource.
#Option 2 (duplicate Index and some Pages): Include all the pages and Index at A-Wikisource, and create N-Pages and N-Index at N-Wikisources just for those N-Pages. Proofreading with Pagequality template.
#Option 3 (duplicate Index but not Pages): Include just the A-pages and Index at A-Wikisource, create N-Pages and N-Index at N-Wikisources just for those N-Pages. The full text cannot be shown alltogether.

* Case 2: If the book is written in A, and has more N-pages than A-Pages:
#Option 1 (one Index, duplicate raw text): Include all the pages and Index at N-Wikisource, optional duplication of the A-"raw text" at A-Wikisources. Inversed option 1 of Case 1.
#Other options.

* Case 3: Same as Case 1, but N-Pages contain references in A:
#Option 1: same as Case 1, with the addition of the possibility ot Wikisource-translation of references from A to N at N-Wikisources.
#Other options.

A bit confusing... Regards. -[[User:Aleator|Aleator]] ([[User Talk:Aleator|talk]]) 13:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

:Duplication is evil. However, it is not impossible to transclude from one domain to another: Scary Transclusion does it. It currently works only for templates, but my long-term plan was to somehow extend it to 'page' ns. sorry that it did not happen yet. [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 06:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:well, after some testing, I found that Scary Transclusion already works well enough for cross-domain transclusion of pages. All we have to have it enabled. [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 10:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

==Enabling Scary Transclusion between wikisource subdomains==

(see above post about multilingual books)

Scary Transclusion is a configuration option that allows to transclude pages cross-domain.
I think it is the correct way to deal with multilingual books without duplicating data and effort.
I would like to propose its activation. Please let me know what you think here. [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 10:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

:Speaking about Wikisources, not other projects: I think it would be a very usefull utility solving such specific problems as described above. Pro. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 10:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

::hm, actually I found why it is not enabled at wmf websites : https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9890 [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 10:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

==Cross-wiki transclusion ==

Scary Transclusion is not going to be enabled anytime soon at WMF, if ever.
However, it is possible to fake cross-domains transclusion using
javascript. I just wrote a set of javascript functions that do this, using the new API.

You can see it working on la.ws. It uses [[:la:s:Formula:iwtrans|a template]] that
transcludes a single page from another domain.
It is used on these pages : [[:la:s:Usor:ThomasV/test]], and [[:la:s:Usor:ThomasV/test3]].

As you can see, the template inserts blank lines between pages, so it is not appropriate
if you want to transclude several pages. Here is another one that transcludes many pages
using the 'pages' command : [[:la:s:Formula:iwpages]]. Here is an example : [[:la:s:Usor:ThomasV/test2]].

These templates should work on all the subdomains that call the [[:Mediawiki:OCR.js]] page from here.

[[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 15:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:My god :O What can't be done? Thank you! I'll begin to play some tests at my local wiki in short. One bug: it didn't work me if not logged at la.source. Thanks a lot again ;) -[[User:Aleator|Aleator]] ([[User Talk:Aleator|talk]]) 15:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::not logged in, you probably want to refresh your javascript (type 'control-R') [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 16:09, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:::One additional "if" will allow transclude texts from oldwikisource ([http://ca.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js&curid=3290&diff=11687&oldid=7083]). What is it better, importing .js from oldwikisource, or adding just the necessary code? (OCR.js has specific code for de.source and extra button & function... a bit confusing for me). Regards. -[[User:Aleator|Aleator]] ([[User Talk:Aleator|talk]]) 21:00, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

== Bot flag ==
Hi, can I have a bot flag for [[User:CandalBot]]? I'm going to use it for pages in [[:Category:Vèneto]] to add subcategories and templates' parameters. This way we can avoid [[#When_Candalua_is_editing...|situations like this]]... :-) Thanks in advance! [[User:Candalua|Candalua]] 17:38, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

::appointed [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 11:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

== inactive bots ==

There are some inactive bots:
* [[Special:Contributions/Wolfbot]]
* [[Special:Contributions/CSNbot]]
and also
* [[Special:Contributions/Pathosbot]]
with nearly no edits, the last ones in 2005. I suggest to remove the bot flag for all. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 08:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hungary again ==

Dear Colleagues! Hungarian wikisource boosts 14,447 articles, surpassing the Polish one by a good 700 articles. I kindly request you to modify the circle at the front page and acknowledge the steady work done by the few editors in Hungary. Thanks a lot, --[[User:Burumbátor|Burumbátor]] 07:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

:we do not use articles to sort subdomains. see [[Wikisource:Votes]] and http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikisource/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
:[[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 07:07, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, forgive my ignorance. But then this is not reflected in the way the circle looks like... It still talks about "13 500+ articles" etc. --[[User:Burumbátor|Burumbátor]] 10:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== Interwiki/interlanguage wikilinks ==

I was wondering... why does [[:de:]] have [http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikisource/EN/PlotsPngDatabaseWikiLinks.htm such a huge amount] (and steeply increasing) of interwiki/interlanguage wikilinks/links to other Wikimedia sites, compared to the other subdomains? --[[User:Nemo bis|Nemo bis]] 16:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:Have you asked them? :-) [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 16:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

::That's what I'm doing, isn't it? I suppose there are some de.source users here. --[[User:Nemo bis|Nemo bis]] 18:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

:Siehe [[:s:de:Hauptseite]] - sie sind ausgezogen :-), [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 18:31, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== Bug with <nowiki><ref group="nb"> ... </ref></nowiki>? ==

I wanted to distinguish between the footnotes of the author and my (or somebody else's) footnotes. So I decided to mark up my footnotes with the above mentioned template. When I save the individual djvu page (http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Seite:Lorentzgruppe_(Klein).djvu/1) an error message is displayed.

It works fine in the display of the transluced text (http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/%C3%9Cber_die_geometrischen_Grundlagen_der_Lorentzgruppe).

Any ideas what do I do wrong?

[[User:TomyDuby|TomyDuby]] 03:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
: Don't worry, it's a standard behavior of references on mediawiki sites. If any <nowiki><ref></nowiki> and no matching <nowiki><references /></nowiki> tags are found, the error message is displayed. In this case: <nowiki><ref></nowiki> is on the [[:de:Seite:Lorentzgruppe (Klein).djvu/1]] subpage, which is transluded to [[:de:Über die geometrischen Grundlagen der Lorentzgruppe]] page and matching <nowiki><references /></nowiki> is there. --[[User:Milda|Milda]] 05:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

:: Milda, thanks for your reply. I will continue using this. [[User:TomyDuby|TomyDuby]] 09:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

:::To be sure to get a proper and quick answer you should ask directly in [[:s:de:Wikisource:Skriptorium]] next time. Regards, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 10:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

::you can also ask an admin to blank the error message [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 14:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
::or you can display them : see http://de.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Seite:Lorentzgruppe_(Klein).djvu/1&curid=182857&diff=851290&oldid=850218 [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 14:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== proofread index pages ==

For the friends of proofread: the German WP announced a software change, a new page [[Special:IndexPages]]. It works obviously on all WSs (see e.g. [[:s:de:Special:IndexPages]], but not here. Regards, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 06:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

::proofreadpage is not installed on ws.org. there is an request pending, however [[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 10:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Deleted pages ==

Hello. In 2005 Polish wikisource project was created and pages were transferred there by [[pl:s:User:tsca.bot]]. Original pages (on this project) were deleted. We are unable to contact people who created those pages (about missing information, permissions etc.). Is someone able to generate a list of contributors to each transferred page? I can do it myself using a bot, but I need a temporary sysop bit here. The beginning of the list is on [http://pl.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Specjalna:Wk%C5%82ad&dir=prev&target=Tsca.bot&uselang=en this contributions page]. I can produce list of pages in other format if desired. Is someone capable of doing this task? Thanks. [[User:Beau|Beau]] 21:01, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
: No replies... Should I request one-day adminship on [[Project:Administrators#Requests_for_adminship]] ? [[User:Beau|Beau]] 10:30, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

::If it were one or two pages, no problem, I did it several times for Nikki. But this time it is a great amount of work that should be done with a bot. There has never been granted the status of temporary sysop here, but that should not be a problem I guess. Anyway, you should ask the bureaucrat [[User:ThomasV]] and to make an agreement for the later desysoping. Regards [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 12:43, 3 October 2009 (UTC).

:I remember that the polish users copied pages from here to pl.ws, instead of waiting for their pages to be imported with their full history. I was quite upset about that, and about their unwillingless to cooperate; they did not communicate about which pages had to be deleted locally, and it was a real pain to work with them. I hope the people in charge now are more insightful.
:I do not think that I can give you a temporary sysop flag. you should ask on meta.
:[[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 13:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks. I am going check if there is a possibility to use transwiki to import lost history into existing pages. This will require restoring pages here, importing them, and deleting them again. I would like to clean this mess up, but this need to wait a couple of days, because I am not a sysop there yet (I have a pending RfA). [[User:Beau|Beau]] 15:23, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

:::With transwiki you can move pages '''+''' history at once. If the pages exist in pl.source yet so you cannot merge them - as far as I know. You could use the contributor tool http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Contributors.php to get a list of contributors. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 15:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:::: I have just tested it. I have created a page on [[testwiki:Main Page|testwiki]] and merged it with a page from en-wiki. So it is possible :-). I wonder if mass undeleting/deleting pages will not cause any disturbances here (I am unable to transwiki a deleted page). Should I ask for bot+sysop rights on meta, so my actions won't pollute recent changes here? I assure that I am not going to break anything. I am already a sysop on Polish Wikipedia and have there an account with sysop+bot rights ([[pl:User:Beau.bot.admin]]). I would be nice if I had some comments of approval bellow, so it won't be done without consent of local community :). [[User:Beau|Beau]] 16:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::I support this. Seems like the active users are in favor here so you could go ahead with the request on meta. [[User:Maximillion Pegasus|Maximillion Pegasus]] 20:53, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::I support this, too. Beau is going to be sysop on Polish Wikisource (he passed the RfA election). He knows good the technology of wiki's engine and is the one of trusted users on Polish wikis. [[User:Electron|Electron]] [[User Talk:Electron|''<Talk?>'']] 12:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

== Georgian BIBLY ==
I work with Georgian BIBLY which was on page http://wikisource.org/wiki/ბიბლია . I don know why, but administration deleted his content. please give me way to cominicate wikipedia with wikisource. as I know we have no georgian page like ka.wikisource.org.sicarely http://wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page:ქართული this is our- Georgian web page for wikisource[[User:Surprizi|Surprizi]] 13:54, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the page won't be created until you've translated all the mediawikis for your language. Also, if you have questions about creation ka wikisource, please contact meta.--[[User:Gaeser|Gaeser]] 14:35, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

== [[Wikisource]], [[Wikisource:Wikisource]], or [[Wikisource:Slogans]] ==

Moved to [[Talk:Wikisource]]. [[User:Dovi|Dovi]] 20:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== Wikisource ==

Hi, I've edited at Wikipedia before and I found Wikisource today. What exactly is Wikisource all about. Thanks, [[User:HeadCaptain|HeadCaptain]] 18:50, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

:First, you could maybe try [[Wikisource:What is Wikisource?]]. Secondly, you should read this before you recommend somebody for admin here :-). Regards, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 19:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

== Qur'an in 40 Languages ==

Hi guys! I am not sure if this is the right spot for this or not, but I found the Qur'an in 40 different languages. Considering we have Wikisource in so many different languages and this is a centralized discussion I decided to make a comment here. The DJVU files are on the Internet Archive and are still being processed (they have been processing for close to a month). The link to the page can be found [http://www.archive.org/details/sarajevo_dobrinja_35 here.] From what I can tell the license should be compatible. Please tell what you guys think about this. Also, I all ready started a discussion about this on my home wiki, English Wikisource. The link to this discussion can be found [[WS:S#Quran_translations_in_40_languages|here.]] --[[User:Mattwj2002|Mattwj2002]] 21:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)