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# [[User:Wwwwolf|Wwwwolf]]</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide&diff=3932127Requests for comment/Travel Guide2012-07-20T17:26:06Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Support */</p>
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| en = Proposal: That we as the Wikimedia community ask the [[Wikimedia Foundation]] to approve a '''[[Travel Guide]]''' project and allocate resources to support any technical aspects of starting the new project. This work would combine efforts on many free knowledge travel sites, some of which (e.g., Wikivoyage) want to migrate completely with their content and communities to the new travel guide project. <br />
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'''Please be sure to read over [[Travel Guide]] and [[Talk:Travel Guide]] for more background on this proposal.'''<br />
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| ca = Proposta: que nosaltres, com a comunitat de la Viquipèdia, demanem a la WMF aprovar un projecte de '''[[Travel Guide]]''' (guia de viatges) i distribuir recursos per donar suport a qualsevol aspecte tècnic que pugui sorgir durant el desenvolupament del nou projecte. Aquesta obra podria combinar esforços presents en molts llocs web de coneixement lliure de viatges (per exemple Wikivoyage), alguns dels quals volen migrar completament el seu contingut i comunitat al nou projecte de guia de viatge.<br />
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'''Si us plau, assegureu-vos de llegir [[Travel Guide]] i [[Talk:Travel Guide]] per tenir tota la informació referent a aquesta proposta.'''<br />
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| de = Antrag, dass wir als Wikimedia-Gemeinschaft die WMF bitten, einem '''[[Travel Guide|Reiseführer]]-Projekt''' zuzustimmen und Ressourcen bereitzustellen, um alle technischen Aspekte für den Start des neuen Projekts abzusichern. Dadurch würden die Anstrengungen vieler Open-Content-Reisewebsites gebündelt werden, von denen einige (z.B. Wikivoyage) vollständig mit ihren Inhalten und ihren Communitys zum neuen Reiseführer-Projekt migrieren wollen.<br />
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'''Um mehr Hintergrundinformationen zu diesem Antrag zu erhalten, lesen Sie bitte unbedingt [[Travel Guide]] und [[Talk:Travel Guide]].'''<br />
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| es = Propuesta: Nosotros, como comunidad de Wikimedia, solicitamos a la WMF que apruebe un proyecto de '''[[Travel Guide]]''' (guía de viaje) y que otorgue los recursos necesarios para los aspectos técnicos y el desarrollo de este nuevo proyecto. El proyecto tiene como objetivo combinar los esfuerzos de muchos sitios de conocimiento libre sobre viajes (por ejemplo Wikiviaje) que quieren migrar completamente sus contenidos y sus comunidades al nuevo proyecto. <br />
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'''Para más información concerniente esta propuesta, por favor lea los artículos [[Travel Guide]] y [[Talk:Travel Guide]].'''<br />
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| fi = Ehdotus: On ehdotettu, että aloitettaisiin matkailuopasprojekti. Tällä sivulla kysytään Wikimedian käyttäjäyhteisöltä '''[[Travel Guide]]''' -projektin aloittamisesta. Lisäksi pyritään antamaan apua projektin teknisiin haasteisiin. Projekti voisi yhdistää monien ilmaisien matkustussivustojen tietoja (kuten. Wikivoyage), jotka haluavat yhdistää sisältönsä uuteen matkailuopasprojektiin.<br />
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'''Ole hyvä ja lue [[Travel Guide]] (englanniksi) ja [[Talk:Travel Guide]] (englanniksi) saadaksesi lisää taustatietoja tästä projektista.'''<br />
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| fr = Proposition : Nous, en tant que communauté de Wikimédia, demandons à la WMF d'approuver un projet de '''[[Travel Guide]]''' (guide de voyage) et de donner des moyens pour les aspects techniques et le développement de ce nouveau projet. Ceci a pour but de combiner les efforts de chacun des sites gratuits de voyage (par exemple Wikivoyage) qui veulent entièrement migrer leur contenu et leur communauté vers le nouveau projet. <br />
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'''Pour en savoir plus cette proposition : lire les pages [[Travel Guide]] et [[Talk:Travel Guide]].'''<br />
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| it = Proposta: Che noi, come comunità di Wikimedia, chiediamo a WMF di approvare un progetto di '''[[Travel Guide|Guida turistica]]''' e allochi risorse per supportare gli aspetti tecnici dell'avvio del progetto. Questo lavoro dovrebbe combinare gli sforzi di molti siti di viaggi a contenuto libero, alcuni dei quali (p.e., Wikivoyage) vogliono migrare completamente i loro contenuti e comunità nel nuovo progetto di guida turistica.<br />
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'''Per favore, leggere con cura [[Travel Guide]] e [[Talk:Travel Guide]] per avere un backgroud su questa proposta.'''<br />
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| ja = 提案内容：ウィキメディア財団が'''[[Travel Guide]]'''（旅行ガイド）プロジェクトを承認し、当該プロジェクトを立ち上げるのに必要な技術的支援に労力を割り当てるよう、私たちウィキメディアコミュニティが要請すること。新しいプロジェクトには、数あるフリーナレッジ旅行ガイドサイトの取り組みが集約され、Wikivoyage など一部のサイトのコンテンツとコミュニティが完全に移管される。<br />
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'''この提案の背景は [[Travel Guide]] と [[Talk:Travel Guide]] に詳しく書かれていますので、必ずご確認ください。'''<br />
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| nl = Voorstel: Wij, de Wikimedia gemeenschap, vragen de WMF om een '''[[Travel Guide|reisgidsenproject]]''' goed te keuren en de noodzakelijke middelen toe te wijzen om de technische aspecten van het nieuwe project te ondersteunen. Met dit project worden de krachten van verschillende open-content-reisgidsen gebundeld, en zullen sommige gidsen (zoals Wikivoyage) met hun volledige inhoud en gemeenschap migreren naar het nieuwe project.<br />
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'''Lees [[Travel Guide]] en [[Talk:Travel Guide]] voor meer achtergrondinformatie over dit voorstel.'''<br />
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| ru = Предложение: Мы, сообщество Викимедиа, просим Фонд Викимедиа утвердить проект '''[[Travel Guide]]''' (Путеводитель) и выделить ресурсы для поддержки любых технических аспектов, связанных с его созданием. Эта работа объединит усилия, которые сейчас распылены по множеству сайтов со свободными знаниями в области путешествий, некоторые из которых (например, Wikivoyage) хотят полностью перейти со своими материалами и сообществом в новый проект путеводителя.<br />
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'''Пожалуйста, прочтите [[Travel Guide]] и [[Talk:Travel Guide]], чтобы более полно понять контекст этого предложения.'''<br />
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| sv = Förslag: Att vi i Wikimedia-communityn ber [[Wikimedia Foundation]] att godkänna ett '''[[Travel Guide|reseguideprojekt]]''' och fördela resurser för att för att stödja alla tekniska aspekter att starta det nya projektet. Detta arbete skulle kombinera insatser på många fria resewebbplatser, varav några (t.ex. Wikivoyage) vill migrera helt och hållet med sitt innehåll och communitys till det nya reseguideprojektet.<br />
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'''Läs igenom artikeln [[Travel Guide]] och [[Talk:Travel Guide|dess diskussionssida]] för mer information om bakgrunden till detta förslag.'''<br />
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| vi = Đề xuất: Chúng ta, tức cộng đồng Wikimedia, yêu cầu WMF phê chuẩn một dự án '''[[Travel Guide]]''' và cung cấp tài nguyên để hỗ trợ về khía cạnh kỹ thuật để khởi động dự án mới. Dự án này sẽ bao gồm đóng góp từ các trang kiến thức du lịch mở (như Wikivoyage) muốn sáp nhập nội dung và cộng đồng của họ cho dự án mới.<br />
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'''Xin hãy đọc trang [[Travel Guide]] và [[Talk:Travel Guide]] để biết các thông tin chi tiết về đề xuất này.'''<br />
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| | zh = 提议：作为维基百科社群，我们建议WMF（维基媒体基金会）通过'''[[Travel Guide]]（旅游指南）'''这一计划。与此同时对所需的资源进行定位和估计，从技术层面上做好开始新计划的准备。我们可以整合许多自由知识旅行网站上的资源，而这些网站中的一些（比如Wikivoyage）希望完全把它们的内容和社群迁移到这个新的旅游指南项目中。<br />
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'''请额外阅读完[[Travel Guide]]和[[Talk:Travel Guide]]（英文）这两项，以便获得更多关于这一提案的背景知识。'''<br />
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== Votes ==<br />
''Initial votes and comments moved from [[Talk:Travel Guide]]''. (Initial votes yet to be moved from [[Travel Guide/supporters]])<br />
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===Support===<br />
# '''Support'''. [[User:ExplosionRadiative|ExplosionRadiative]] ([[User talk:ExplosionRadiative|talk]]) 16:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''': Why not? Isn't a travel guide in book form a similar form to books, we are using for creating our articles for example in the german topic biology. So I cannot imagine not taking those travel guides in book form and bringing it to a similar form like wikipedia articles. Of course we can also add information not mentioned in those books, and that's what this platform will be. But on the other hand we do not want to advertise specific hotels and other accomodations. So it should be a short description about the place. Currency, language, maybe some sentences and words, dangers, sights, maps, climate, history, just the most important information needed for traveling there. But there should be no prices at all. --[[User:Marco74|Marco74]] ([[User talk:Marco74|talk]]) 23:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
##I see great potential, but I think we should allow articles about hotels. Personally I don't see it as advertisement if there is relevant information and both positive and negative information (like "the hotel is located next to a noisy road" or "The rooms are cleaned only once a month"). Imagine if you can get information about nearly every hotel in the world! And with free photos of the rooms. I agree about the prices, but there could maybe be some sort of scale so that you can compare other hotels in the area, like ''cheap'', ''expensive'', or somewhere in between. /[[User:abbedabb|<b style="font-family:'Arial black'; color:#ff9c15">abbedabb</b>]][[Användardiskussion:abbedabb|<sup><i>talk</i></sup>]] 09:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:::There is discussion on how Wikidata could help organize this sort of content. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 16:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' and Suggestion as we merge WikiTravel and WikiVoyage, we could also make use of google maps when we develop contents for different travel destinations. Apart from images or videos ... the google3d maps features will greatly improve the user virtual travel experience. [[User:Guitaristrock|Guitaristrock]] ([[User talk:Guitaristrock|talk]]) 14:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
##I have to object to the suggestion of using Google maps. Geo-tagging is one thing and using that data on Google maps is the reader's choice, but if an online map is to be used, I think OpenStreetMap makes more sense because of its (CC BY-SA) licence. I personally '''support''' this idea in part because I see it as having a great deal of potential for reinforcing existing WM activities, such as ''WikiProject Geographical coordinates'', ''Wiki Loves Monuments'' and others. There is also the benefit of consolidating more ''wikipower'' under one roof. This could certainly make the next Wikimania more interesting. (I am user U5K0 on english wikipedia) --[[Special:Contributions/84.41.86.38|84.41.86.38]] 20:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
##Yes, Images from Google Maps are not free, but Open Streetmap is. It would be great to implement geotagging, just as on Wikipedia, so that the articles pop up as icons in a layer on Google Maps or Google Earth. /[[User:abbedabb|<b style="font-family:'Arial black'; color:#ff9c15">abbedabb</b>]][[Användardiskussion:abbedabb|<sup><i>talk</i></sup>]] 09:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:::Yes travelers love maps and hopefully this new initiative will lead to improvements to Wikipedia's maps as well. Are that we should use open maps.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 16:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' A good sister project that a lot of Wikipedia articles should be able to link to. Wikipedia editors who add content more suitable for a travel guide than an encyclopedia won't need to be directed towards a non-Wikimedia wiki (Wikitravel) anymore. Images from Wikimedia Commons should make it look attractive. I am curious about whether it would be expected to have a NPOV and if more informal language than is permitted on Wikipedia would be allowed.--[[User:Simon Peter Hughes|Simon Peter Hughes]] ([[User talk:Simon Peter Hughes|talk]]) 09:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' A very useful project would be! A wonderful idea!--[[User:Илья Яковлев|Илья Яковлев]] ([[User talk:Илья Яковлев|talk]]) 07:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' It must be a great program for people who love travelling!--<b>Jack No1</b> ([[w:zh:user:Jack_No1|中文]]/[[w:en:user:Jack_No1|English]]) ([[user talk:Jack_No1|talk]]) 07:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' This will be a great successful and useful wiki. Travelling is one of the best methods of learning. If supported by a Travel Guide, the trip will be really great. Though there are many existing travel guide web portals, one like wiki is necessary for a relaible and expanded information. I hope it will be successful like wikipedia. There are many encyclopedias online, but there is no match for wikipedia. It can help in learning about various specialities of different locations and chosing the correct destination that suits the user. All that is needed is support from the people and active contributors. At the same time we should ensure that it doesn't become an advertisement site. Let us do this. --[[User:Jayabharat|Jayabharat]] ([[User talk:Jayabharat|talk]]) 04:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' This proposal will have benefits for the WM movement through expanding our community. As travel is educational in nature and thus a travel guide an education resource this is in line with our mission to: " empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content" --[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 02:16, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Humans are natural explorers. We read and contribute to WM in order to explore new ideas and learn about new people, artefacts and places. But sometimes reading is not enough and the only way to truly understand a subject is to experience it first-hand. [[:en:Great Barrier Reef]] is a good article, but what will it cost me to see this wonder for myself, how do I get there, where do I stay, who can I trust to take me on a diving tour that will not damage the reef? Those are questions that an encyclopaedia can never answer, but a travel guide can. --[[User:NJR ZA|NJR ZA]] ([[User talk:NJR ZA|talk]]) 05:20, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' WM is a natural home for a wiki-based travel guide, and the Internet community is not well-served by having such an educational resource hosted in less-friendly hands. -[[User:J1729|J1729]] ([[User talk:J1729|talk]]) 10:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' A travel guide wiki certainly fits into the Wikimedia Foundation's mission of making educational content available worldwide and for free. WMF gets an existing and mature wiki with a well-developed culture that is compatible with Wikimedia's own. The Wikitravel and Wikivoyage communities get the benefit of an established host, and the sum of the world's knowledge is improved in the process [[User:Ravikiran r|Ravikiran r]] ([[User talk:Ravikiran r|talk]]) 17:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''', provided that the new project be founded in a way that makes it possible for the Wikivoyage community to join in a merger of equals. By and large, I think Wikimedia projects could gain a great deal by including a travel guide. As "Wikitravel" already is a registered name, I suggest to call the new project '''"Wikimedia Voyage"''', or '''"Wikivoyage"''', if the Wikivoyage community agrees.--[[User:Aschmidt|Aschmidt]] ([[User talk:Aschmidt|talk]]) 21:40, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: Yes would be happy with Wikivoyage and definitely see the two groups joining as equals.--[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: I don't think we are discussing naming yet, but I would be quite happy is we simply call it ''Wikimedia Travel'' with travel.wikimedia.org as url. --[[User:NJR ZA|NJR ZA]] ([[User talk:NJR ZA|talk]]) 16:20, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. As has been pointed out by others, a travel guide is complementary to the educational mission of WMF and fills a niche that falls outside of the encyclopedic goals of Wikipedia. -- [[User:Wrh2|Wrh2]] ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) 02:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' I really need dumps of WT, and the current host of WT [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Database_dump does not want] to release dumps. [[User:Nicolas1981|Nicolas1981]] ([[User talk:Nicolas1981|talk]]) 05:24, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. No doubt, that travelling is education. Why so many people watch documentations about foreign cultures? And I strongly agree [[User:Wrh2|Wrh2]]. There is a niche in the WP content. We often see discussions about content that should be removed from WP and fits better to a Travel Guide. Can not estimate how many usefull information are shredded already. The WT/WV contributors are keen on providing geo referenced information as well. This can be an important input for the Wikipedia and Wikidata. I would love to se '''Wikivoyage''' as the project's name. -- [[User:DerFussi|DerFussi]] ([[User talk:DerFussi|talk]]) 06:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' As mentionned above, I believe a travel wiki brings a new perspective to Wikimedia's educational purpose and that it definitely falls under our mission of making knowledge accessible. [[User:Notafish|notafish]] [[User talk:Notafish|}&lt;&#39;;&gt;]] 08:14, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' I think [[User:Ravikiran r]] set out the reasons perfectly for why this is a good idea. [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] ([[User talk:Mike Peel|talk]]) 08:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' As mentioned above, travel information is practical knowledge and education. This is also the reason why the Wikivoyage association is supported by the German tax authorities. --[[User:RolandUnger|RolandUnger]] ([[User talk:RolandUnger|talk]]) 09:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# I '''support''' the proposal based on the arguments I gave on the wikimedia-l mailing list. Travelling is one of the ways, if not the most important ways, of acquiring and dissemination of free knowledge, and in this perspective a travel guide fits well into our Mission. I had specific objections which may be relevant for the realization (for instance, I do not believe in the universal travel guide which is equally useful for everyone, in real life one always have different types of the guides which target specific audiences), but I do not think we should discuss these objections at this stage.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 09:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' I see a fit in our missin and a huge benefit for all involved parties here. I already look forward having Collection Extension available on the new wiki-based travel guide... --[[de:User:80686|Manuel Schneider]]<sup>[[de:User Talk:80686|(bla)]]&nbsp;[[de:User:80686/Bewertung|(+/-)]]</sup> 11:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Clearly within the scope of the Wikimedia movement, and the benefits for all the involved would be many: the project would get a world-leading hosting platform and a continuously up-to-date mediawiki installation; two communities with the same goal could be re-joined to work together, making the whole endeavor more efficient and productive; the community could grow with a fresh influx of new editors; Localization support would be greatly improved, leading to a truly global wiki travel guide project; not to mention the other benefits listed at [[Wiki Travel Guide#Benefits]] --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 14:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. A major lump of knowledge that is not covered by any other Wikimedia project at present, and an extremely useful one at that. [[User:Spinningspark|<font style="background:#FFF090;color:#00C000">'''Sp<font style="background:#FFF0A0;color:#80C000">in<font style="color:#C08000">ni</font></font><font style="color:#C00000">ng</font></font><font style="color:#2820F0">Spark'''</font>]] 16:50, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' The communities of Wikipedia and Wikitravel have strong links for a long time. [[User:Rein N.|Rein N.]] ([[User talk:Rein N.|talk]]) 21:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. The project is in scope for Wikimedia and seems to have good potential, especially with the freely-licensed material that is already available. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 07:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. I would also support this including guidebook-type information for locals and citizens of communities, as well as for travellers. Let us assimilate the [[w:city wiki|city wikis]]!--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 19:35, 20 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: Yes! Great idea. NYCwiki has been mentioned at [[Wiki Travel Guide#Educational in nature]], but making this more explicit and generic, inviting all city wikis to join, would be great. --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 09:24, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Absolutely, this seems like it would be beneficial to everyone. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<font color="green">"?!"</font>]] 20:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Contributors, readers, and re-users of Wikitravel (which of course includes many Wikimedians) will benefit from accelerated feature development, bug fixes, and database dumps; Wikimedia will benefit from an enlarged contributor base and readership; and there are tons of potential synergies to exploit (collaboration on map-making is a great example—check out all the [http://wikitravel.org/shared/Category:Maps original maps] being made at Wikitravel!). As Wikitravel and Wikivoyage are established, mature wiki communities, this project should be a guaranteed success in terms of organization, content, and contributor base. And for lovers of warm fuzzies, moving forward with this proposal would offer us the happy possibility to reunite our splintered communities, and forge a new, stronger one in the process. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 21:25, 20 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' With a travel and aviation background, it has always miffed me why WMF projects didn't tackle this area long before. Well-travelled people are generally well-informed people, and this goes to the very basis of what WMF projects are about -- encouraging people to be better informed. So absolutely support. [[User:Russavia|Russavia]] ([[User talk:Russavia|talk]]) 22:33, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' I think this is the best solution for all three communities concerned. -- [[User:MarkJaroski|MarkJaroski]] ([[User talk:MarkJaroski|talk]]) 04:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' As others have said, travelling and travel information is educational, and there are existing communities and information to get this off the ground and make it a success. - [[User:Shaundd|Shaundd]] ([[User talk:Shaundd|talk]]) 04:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. The existing WT/WV content is a great educational resource not only on travelling, but also about culture, history and geography. - [[User:Cardboardbird|Cardboardbird]] ([[User talk:Cardboardbird|talk]]) 14:03, 23 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' If the existing WT/WV communities like the idea of joining us, we should welcome them! --[[User:Theredmonkey|trm]]<sup>[[:de:Benutzer:Theredmonkey|ger]]</sup> 19:20, 23 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Travel is definitely educational in nature, and this will be a great complement to our existing geography coverage. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 03:37, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Wikitravel fits into the Wikimedia Foundation's mission: educational content available worldwide and for free. And whoever visit other countries before know that traveling is knowledge! [[User:Benoit Rochon|Benoit Rochon]] ([[User talk:Benoit Rochon|talk]]) 05:00, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Mutually beneficial, especially considering the spinoff effects to other Wikimedia projects. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] ([[User talk:MER-C|talk]]) 11:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. This proposal would greatly enhance the Wikimedia family. [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|talk]]) 12:42, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Would be great if this could help to integrate WT/WV and bring them back together; the project fits well with our other projects. &mdash;[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 12:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' A welcome member of the family. Main concern is the reliability of the info, knowing how dodgy a site as tripadvisor is. [[User:Night of the Big Wind|Night of the Big Wind]] ([[User talk:Night of the Big Wind|talk]]) 17:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' I'd always hoped this day would come, and am glad to see it might arrive soon. [[User:PhnomPencil|PhnomPencil]] ([[User talk:PhnomPencil|talk]]) 20:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' for many of the above reasons. It will enhance the diversity of "products" and opportunities in the WM family of communities. [[User:Imzadi1979|Imzadi1979]] ([[User talk:Imzadi1979|talk]]) 20:44, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Hopefully the new travel wiki community will grow fast as soon as all Wikimedia sister projects will be interconnected for everyone's benefit. [[User:Fogg|Fogg]] ([[User talk:Fogg|talk]]) 00:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. As a longtime bureaucrat/admin on Wikitravel who has pretty much given up editing due to the current owners' neglect of the site and a Wikipedia user of nearly 10 years' standing, I fully welcome this long-overdue move. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 11:50, 25 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#*Wikitravel is very glad to have you back, now that the 1.17 site upgrade is complete and new features are being added. If you have any concerns about the site, please feel free to contact an active admin -- I'm sure they will tell you how well the site is running!--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 20:45, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. I think it's a useful complement of existing wm projects. --[[User:ArséniureDeGallium|ArséniureDeGallium]] ([[User talk:ArséniureDeGallium|talk]]) 16:06, 25 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# I '''Support''' the proposal, first and foremost as an avenue to save Wikitravel, which has been running on fumes for quite some since the brand owners lack even the most basic understanding of how the collaborative web works, and besides doesn't seem to be all that interrested since the expected revenue streams have not materialized - This has cost the project some its of most valued editors and adminitrators. Coming under the Wikimedia umbrella is the only avenue I see where we can escape the current mismanagement with meaningful editor retention, and hence save thousands of hours of work voulenteers have contributed to the project in the exact same spirit as most of us to do other wikimedia projects. Secondly two quotes from these discutions clearly shows why a travel wiki has a place under the said umbrella; "Travel is an avenue of education, possibly a more important one than an encyclopedia" and "Frankly, every single time I've read a travel guide.... I've learned something". Besides as administrator on wikitravel I have read more wikipedia city articles than most, and there clearly is a need for an alterntive place to put destination related content than in the current encyclopedic form of those articles. [[en:User:Sertmann|Stefan Ertmann]] ([[en:User talk:Sertmann|talk]]) 21:02, 25 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. A wonderful complement to the existing Wikimedia projects. Fits well and there is certainly no good reason not to. Serves the Wikimedia Foundations Goal and Vision. Plus it's been far too long since a new project has been started :-) [[User:Dovi|Dovi]] ([[User talk:Dovi|talk]]) 10:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. I don't find the arguments about NPOV that convincing and they smack heavily of Wikipedianism (at Wikinews and Wiktionary and other projects, eager Wikipedians have to be reminded that they are no longer at Wikipedia!). I'm a big fan of inter-wiki collaboration (when it works), and building out a travel guide is something where being tied in with the other wikis is useful. Think of it as tourism-related portals onto the existing wealth of Wikimedia content. Take a city like London or Paris and think: we've got interesting Wikipedia articles about that city, we've got a whole wealth of photos, we've got work being done by the GLAM partners, we've got Wikinews, we can link it into Wiktionary for local dialects... a non-commercial port/fork/recasting of Wikitravel that melds more freely into the other WMF projects could be extremely useful. The other way to deal with the NPOV concerns is like this: think of the articles as a series of if-then statements, and just apply something like Wikipedia's UNDUE weight. "If you are a business traveler, then x", "if you are an impoverished student, then y", "if you love art, go to museums a, b and c" etc. That doesn't eliminate the NPOV issues, but it certainly reduces them quite substantially. Then you develop community consensus on what are 'valid' if-then statements that the guide answers. Travel guides that exist on the market already cater for different types of people: there are budget or student travel guides, gap year travel guides, walking or cycling guides, guides for people who want to party, guides for people who love bookshops and culture, guides for gay/lesbian travellers... you name it, there's a different frame you can put on the concept. —[[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] ([[User talk:Tom Morris|talk]]) 22:29, 27 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#* Wikiravel uses a price index for hotels, restaurants etc. How about Budget, midprice and luxery as index? --[[User:Rein N.|Rein N.]] ([[User talk:Rein N.|talk]]) 06:52, 1 May 2012 (UTC) <br />
# '''Support'''. I know very well from running my own Mediawiki projects that 1. a few people systematically maintaining many such projects requires much less work/overhead than many people managing many projects; 2. WMF's people are much more skilled and professional at it than a random webmaster, especially when it comes to scaling; 3. WMF projects naturally get more editors and more interwiki links than external wikis, because of global accounts, because editors trust them more, and because editors get a greater boost to their reputation for editing a WMF project than an external one. These are all very good things for Wikitravel. Will it "save" Wikitravel from falling into decay? That remains to be seen, but I think if they promote some good admins and get cooperation from devs on necessary settings changes, they can take any necessary measures to preserve the active content. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|talk]]) 23:27, 27 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''; this is an opportunity to reduce some of the duplication of effort (vis a vis images and maps, and technical improvements) on Wikitravel. How many times have I wished I could just link to a Commons file instead of downloading and uploading it? Technical support from the site's current owners is sparse at best, and they are learning MediaWiki as they go. Waiting for them to figure out how to operate a wiki is killing the community. [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]]) 01:19, 28 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#* Small note: including Commons files in any Mediawiki wiki is as simple as turning on [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/InstantCommons InstantCommons]. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|talk]]) 20:32, 29 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#** Sadly, Wikitravel is currently running under MediaWiki: 1.11.2 (r24791), not MediaWiki 1.16 (r59428). Slow updating of Mediawiki is only one of our problems with our current host, IB --[[User:Rein N.|Rein N.]] ([[User talk:Rein N.|talk]]) 06:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
#** Yes, what Rein said. IB claims to be in the midst of an upgrade, but we'll all believe it when we see it. If we can get InstantCommons turned on, great. [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]]) 14:32, 2 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
#*** Next week we can try it out after the update to Mediawiki 1.17. [[User:Rein N.|Rein N.]] ([[User talk:Rein N.|talk]]) 15:26, 5 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
#**** The upgrade was completed and Commons is active and functional, as is the rest of the site!--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 20:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. As a WT contributor (:en and :ru), I feel that joining WM would be an excellent opportunity for invigorating the very idea of free travel guide. The detailed reasoning has been laid out earlier in this thread, so I simply add my voice and look forward to working on the new project! [[User:Atsirlin|Atsirlin]] ([[User talk:Atsirlin|talk]]) 15:21, 10 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. I'm one of two founders of Wikitravel, and I think the project would do well with the WMF. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] ([[User talk:Evan|talk]]) 12:20, 12 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Agree with most that has been said above :-) --[[User:Globe-trotter|Globe-trotter]] ([[User talk:Globe-trotter|talk]]) 23:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Very interested in the possibility of a Wiki Travel Guide among WMF projects. One question is what kind of technical support it really will get? Obviously, I think it would be much better than the current situation, but then sister projects like Wikisource sometimes get a bit neglected when it comes to tech support and especially feature requests. But then volunteers can get involved with the tech stuff and I think there are number of Wiki Travel techies and others who can help. [[User:Aude|Aude]] ([[User talk:Aude|talk]]) 16:35, 17 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. As a new contributor to the Wikitravel community, I can see how IB is tearing the place apart. Their tech support is abysmal, and it's causing the wiki to lose many editors/admins, which will result in the loss of viewers. This is a great opportunity to save the ailing Wikitravel content and community. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] 11:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
#* I hope you have a chance to test drive the new site, and view firsthand how quickly and comprehensively technical issues and feature requests are being responded to; in fact this has been the case for over a year, but now that the MW upgrade is complete I think you'll see a whole new site. Enjoy it.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 20:49, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
##Yes, I have had a chance, and I have experience the usual slow loading speeds. I have also noticed nothing being done about the feature requests, plus the huge number of bug reports, especially the login/create account issue which really irritates me. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] ([[User talk:JamesA|talk]]) 10:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Author on german Wikipedia and german Wikivoyage. --[[User:Dirk Schmidt|Dirk Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Dirk Schmidt|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Sounds like a useful complement for the Wikimedia universum. [[User:Raymond|Raymond]] ([[User talk:Raymond|talk]]) 14:28, 11 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Author on german Wikitravel - The german Wikitravel has no aktiv Admins since January 2012 -- [http://wikitravel.org/de/Benutzer:Knut Knut] [[Special:Contributions/84.58.154.137|84.58.154.137]] 20:13, 12 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud Koot]] ([[User talk:Ruud Koot|talk]]) 00:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Let's create a Wiki Travel Guide that's really good. [[User:Grauesel|Grauesel]] ([[User talk:Grauesel|talk]]) 08:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC) (WP:de and WV editor)<br />
# '''Support''' A good complement to the existing Wikimedia projects. --[[User:Wvk|Wvk]] ([[User talk:Wvk|talk]]) 20:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' (lately rather inactive) admin on WV and member of Wikivoyage e.V. - Having been at WV almost since the beginning and being aware of the situation at WT, I think becoming part of the WMF would be beneficial to all involved parties. It would re-unite WV and WT, allow to complement each other as far as language versions are concerned and allow a more direct and efficient collaboration with WMF projects. This of course just in addition to all other main advantages already mentioned. --[[User:Mulleflupp|Mulleflupp]] ([[User talk:Mulleflupp|talk]]) 13:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Sounds like a fine complement to our projects. --[[User:Holder|Holder]] ([[User talk:Holder|talk]]) 18:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - a dream can come true. We hoped for years to be able to create a travel guide that is not only free but also part of the wikimedia movement. So why waiting any longer. Admin on Wikivoyage - we are ready. --[[User:Der Reisende|Der Reisende]] ([[User talk:Der Reisende|talk]]) 11:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - finally! I'm one of two founders of [http://hitchwiki.org/ Hitchwiki] and asked for a database dump of Wikitravel back in 2004 :) [[User:Guaka|Guaka]] ([[User talk:Guaka|talk]]) 21:01, 25 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''': Good to see this possibility coming to light. This is a chance to save wikitravel that struggles under the management of it's commercial owners. It makes sense for a wiki travel guide to exist under the Wikimedia umbrella. Having a wiki based travel guide would also be well within wikimedia's educational mandate. --[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]]) 19:40, 30 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Admin on Wikitravel en:, pt:, and es:. I've been hoping for this for years. IB's neglect has caused Wikitravel's once vibrant communities to largely fall apart. It will be great to have a fresh start in a more supportive environment.[[User:Texugo|Texugo]] ([[User talk:Texugo|talk]]) 03:41, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' I was a very active admin and supporter of the project, and left entirely due to the project falling into the hands of Internet Brands. Stuck it out for a good while, but it quite simply isn't going to ever flourish in its current setup. Let's change that. &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 03:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - Semi-regular user on Wikipedia and Wikitravel. Agree with everything above. [[User:Eco84|Eco84]] ([[User talk:Eco84|talk]]) 04:26, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support with a reservation''' - I am an administrator on Wikitravel and a longtime user and sometime editor on Wikipedia. I approve of the Wikipedia project, which I see as a revival of the medieval concept of collective authorship for the computer age, complete with marginalia (the talk pages), and I definitely see the advantages of Wikitravel being brought under the Wikimedia umbrella. However, I do not think making it NPOV would be useful to travelers. So let's please talk more about NPOV. Wikitravel does not have an NPOV policy, nor do I think one would be beneficial. Travel guides have to have some degree of appraisal built into them, in terms of which things are deemed as attractions (e.g.: the Raffles Hotel in Singapore gets a photo, whereas the Holiday Inn does not) and which restaurants and hotels are and are not listed. If Wikitravel is taken under the Wikipedia umbrella, would we have to use some circumlocutions - "if, then" statements as per Tom Morris' remarks - to get around an NPOV policy that would be imposed on Wikitravel? [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 04:49, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: See [[Talk:Travel_Guide#NPOV|#NPOV]] below: Wikimedia has made it clear that Wikitravel will be allowed to retain existing policies, including "the traveller comes first". [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 23:42, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: Thanks. Reservation withdrawn. '''Fully support'''. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 02:33, 3 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - Quite new contributor on Wikitravel. Would love to see the guide as part of WM. [[User:Jjtkk|Jjtk]] ([[User talk:Jjtkk|talk]]) 07:15, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Waiting for this for a long time. Admin on Wikitravel en:, [[User:Vidimian|Vidimian]] ([[User talk:Vidimian|talk]]) 20:56, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. I have come very close to walking away from WT many times due to considerable frustrations with the functionality of the site. A considerable body of contribution time has been lost to server errors and similar frustrations. It is a great project in principal and offers a considerable asset to travellers. However we must be careful to ensure the outcome, (or the quest for it) does not break the project. The proposal may offer the opportunity to improve or enhance both the WP and the travel related project. Some discussion might be appropriate in regard to the different culture of consensus and conflict resolution apparent in the two separate domains. WT and WP have a quite different ''culture'' in that regard and I am sure other editors here who contribute to both projects will be familiar with the different outlooks and style in seeking 'consensus'.-- [[User:Felix505|Felix505]] ([[User talk:Felix505|talk]]) 07:59, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Formerly an active admin and contributor to Wikitravel en:. Basically, what cacahaute said above. [[User:Gorilla Jones|Gorilla Jones]] ([[User talk:Gorilla Jones|talk]]) 15:00, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Former admin on Swedish Wikitravel (http://wikitravel.org/sv/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Jonas_Ryberg) who dropped out when WT has handed over to Internet Brands, currently adding information regarding rail travel to English site. I fully support this move, it's long overdue. [[User:Jonas Ryberg|Jonas Ryberg]] ([[User talk:Jonas Ryberg|talk]]) 20:21, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''', It will be pleasant to work with upload times that don't allow me to make a cup of tea while I wait, or crash and lose my edits. Ok to be fair that can also happen on WP, but the difference in speed and frequency is very noticeable when uploading large files. Also I prefer to upload only once to Commons. Cheers! [[User:Pbsouthwood|Pbsouthwood]] ([[User talk:Pbsouthwood|talk]]) 15:15, 5 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: Using files that are available on Commons is already possible after the resent Mediawiki upgrade on Wikitravel, without the need of reupload. [[User:Rein N.|Rein N.]] ([[User talk:Rein N.|talk]]) 10:43, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#* Read and upload times are very good since the upgrade, actually.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 20:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''', <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">'''[[User:Emperyan|<span style="color:#00ccff;">Emperyan</span>]]-[[User_talk:Emperyan|<span style="color:#000;">message/<small>ileti</small></span>]]'''-[http://gel.io/Baia WMTR]</span> 13:00, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Amazing idea. [[User:W.D.|W.D.]] ([[User talk:W.D.|talk]]) 14:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Very good idea. I am in support if it should there enough potential contributors to such a wiki. '''<font color="#003366">[[User:LouriePieterse|Lourie]]</font><font color="#1A4F85">[[User talk:LouriePieterse|Pieterse]]</font>''' 15:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''- A great idea and useful project. I have no problems with this. '''[[User:Bzweebl|<font color="#D60047">B</font><font color="#F0A000">zw</font><font color="#00A300">ee</font><font color="#0A47FF">bl</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Bzweebl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bzweebl|contribs]]) 15:05, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. A Wonderful project to start.--[[User:Shijualex|Shijualex]] ([[User talk:Shijualex|talk]]) 17:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Complements existing Wikimedia projects, large potential to further mission&vision moreso than would occur if main forks outside Wikimedia. [[User:Mike Linksvayer|Mike Linksvayer]] ([[User talk:Mike Linksvayer|talk]]) 17:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Absolutely! --[[User:Iketsi|Iketsi]] ([[User talk:Iketsi|talk]]) 17:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Ja natuurlijk/selbstverständlich!, Oui biensur!, Sì va benissimo!, Yes of course! etc. <br/>Kind regards,&nbsp;[[User_talk:ZeaForUs|Klaas]]&nbsp;&zwnj;&nbsp;[[User:ZeaForUs|V]] 18:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' This seems like a great way to complement Wikipedia. [[User:Argos&#39;Dad|Argos&#39;Dad]] ([[User talk:Argos&#39;Dad|talk]]) 19:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''For.''' I've been lookin' for free travel guides for a while; this is pretty much it. [[Special:Contributions/68.173.113.106|68.173.113.106]] 21:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''', as proposed. [[User:Lankiveil|Craig Franklin]] ([[User talk:Lankiveil|talk]]) 00:17, 7 July 2012 (UTC).<br />
# '''Support''' - there are things existing projects say they're "not", and travel guides is one of them.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|talk]]) 01:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - So long as Wikitravel is the project being absorbed - would not support a duplication. --[[Special:Contributions/108.80.181.47|108.80.181.47]] 15:29, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Fully support'''. [[User:Saint Johann|Saint Johann]] ([[:ru:User:Saint Johann|ru]]) 21:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - sounds like a project perfectly matching our designs. [[User:Pundit|Pundit]] ([[User talk:Pundit|talk]]) 21:45, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. <small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap"><font color="#000">[[User talk:Mabdul|mabdul]]</font></small> 21:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''', with Philippines backing up. --[[User:Exec8|Exec8]] ([[User talk:Exec8|talk]]) 02:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Dede2008|Dede2008]] ([[User talk:Dede2008|talk]]) 05:44, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' This is definitely more than a travel guide on Wikibooks. :)--[[User:Nickanc|Nickanc]] ([[User talk:Nickanc|talk]]) 18:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' I like using WT I think its a great site, but I have only ever edited there half heartedly because I hate the idea of a for profit organisation benefiting monetarily from something I'm giving for free to other readers, and from the reaction from the WT community commenting here that others feel th same.--[[User:KTo288|KTo288]] ([[User talk:KTo288|talk]]) 19:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' sounds good to me. --[[User:Claritas|Claritas]] ([[User talk:Claritas|talk]]) 19:45, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#This has long been the most obvious hole in the family of sister projects. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 22:02, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' A great positive step forward for everybody. -- [[User:Elelicht|Elelicht]] ([[User talk:Elelicht|talk]]) 23:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''', and I intend to be an active member of the project.-[[User:Gadfium|Gadfium]] ([[User talk:Gadfium|talk]]) 23:41, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' as it falls within the scope of our movement -free [travel] knowledge for everyone in their ''own'' language. --[[User:Jewbask|Jewbask]] ([[User talk:Jewbask|talk]]) 02:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' This would be a great contribution to the Wikimedia community, only strengthening it as a whole. -- [[User:Forty Seven Nine|Forty Seven Nine]] ([[User talk:Forty Seven Nine|talk]]) 01:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - our two communities evoluated until now quite independantly but by sharing the same vision, so it’s great to fuse. By seeing some comment about city wikis, I’m not sure it would be desirable for all city wikis (I’m thinking for instance to Wiki-Brest or Wiki-Rennes who are acting as a ''local'' website for local history). ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|<small>[^_^]</small>]] 07:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. A quick look around on Wikitravel shows that its community morale is low, and spam is rife. I think that a Wiki Travel Guide project on WMF will be a great addition to our family of projects, and what's more, it will hopefully bring with it not just one, but ''two'' existing communities of editors. Much better than starting from scratch! [[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] ([[User talk:This, that and the other|talk]]) 07:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''', per many of the arguments above. WT/WV and its community have achieved good things, and supporting them to do more is well within the scope of our mission and a worthwhile use of our resources. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|talk]]) 10:50, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Wikitravel is a great resource, and if the community behind it thinks this is a good move, I can't see any reason not to do it. -[[Special:Contributions/98.209.136.52|98.209.136.52]] 12:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - we need a new project after about 7 years. This will be a valuable addition. WikiTravel has lots of valuable content.--[[User:Kozuch|Kozuch]] ([[User talk:Kozuch|talk]]) 15:38, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' I think rejoining of wikitravel and wikivoyage and geting it truely free is a good case.--[[User:Saehrimnir|Saehrimnir]] ([[User talk:Saehrimnir|talk]]) 15:47, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Strong Support'''. Suspending the issue of technical limitations, this would be an amazing addition to the WMF family. The travel resources currently available on the Internet are highly commercialized, so a freely licensed travel wiki with a NPOV policy would be a great asset to Wikimedians and society in general. As an expert in travel & tourism, I would personally be interested in contributing to such a project (currently I'm turned off by the commercial nature and administrative neglect of WikiTravel). As for naming, my !vote goes to '''WikiVoyage''', since the word "voyage" lends itself to multilingualism better than "travel." [[User:Jmajeremy|Jmajeremy]] ([[User talk:Jmajeremy|talk]]) 19:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Will be a great addition to the WMF projects. [[User:David1217|David1217]] ([[User talk:David1217|talk]]) 15:19, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''', as a non-commercial, global travel guide is highly useful. Hope to see parallel versions in ''all'' the languages of other Wikimedia projects. [[User:Amahoney|A. Mahoney]] ([[User talk:Amahoney|talk]]) 19:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''', and also particularly endorse taking a more generalized "[[#Location guide?|location guide]]" approach.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 20:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - this will definitely benefit a lot of people who don't know where to go for travel tips. I'm just a tad bit worried about how editors will be neutral enough on travel guides, though. The only thing not to be neutral about are travel advisories, but we'd seriously need some NPOV users. --[[User:Jeffwang|Jeffwang]] ([[User talk:Jeffwang|talk]]) 20:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - as a way to reunite Wikitravel and Wikivoyage under the WMF, in order to create a repository for travel information.[[User:Yutsi|Yutsi]] ([[User talk:Yutsi|talk]]) 01:14, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - For myself, i will be more than happy to contribute to a travel project on WWF and write about place i've visited. I will never do that on web site like WT, for the obvious commercial reason. -- [[User:ChristianT|ChristianT]] ([[User talk:ChristianT|talk]]) 15:51, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' This would be great. I am a wikitravel admin and have been contributing since 2004 [[User:Elgaard|Elgaard]] ([[User talk:Elgaard|talk]]) 20:46, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''—this just makes sense to me. [[User:Imzadi1979|Imzadi1979]] ([[User talk:Imzadi1979|talk]]) 06:57, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' of course [[User:Przykuta|Przykuta]] ([[User talk:Przykuta|talk]]) 12:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''support''' [[User:MichChemGSI|MichChemGSI]] ([[User talk:MichChemGSI|talk]]) 14:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Seems a good idea. '''[[Special:Emailuser/Vibhijain|<sup><span style="color:dark red"><small>Email</small></span></sup>]] [[User:Vibhijain|<span style="color:#A50B5E">Vaibhav</span>]] [[User talk:Vibhijain|<sup><span style="color:red"><small>Talk</small></span></sup>]]''' 16:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Win-win outcome. Don't worry about editorial viewpoint after the merger: each Wikimedia project is allowed their own set of content policies anyway. [[User:Deryck Chan|Der]][[User talk:Deryck Chan|yck C.]] 16:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC) ({{ec}} This is so popular that I got an EC while voting.)<br />
# '''Support'''. Seems like a very interesting project, and Wikimedia Commons could benefit from the content of the Wikivoyage media repository (and possibly WikiTravel Shared). [[User:InverseHypercube|InverseHypercube]] ([[User talk:InverseHypercube|talk]]) 16:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# It has only to be free content! Who says, free content must be follow the NPOV? Wikitravel is not Wikipedia. [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] ([[User talk:Marcus Cyron|talk]]) 00:59, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. Win/win/win (for Wikimedia/Wikitravel/Wikivoyage). This should help resolve an already existing fork, and fill a major gap in the Wikimedia stable. Without meaning to cast aspersions on the existing content, I think the most important thing Wikimedia stands to gain here is the communities of editors who have decided (and may yet decide) to move over, and their years of experience building such content. --[[User:Avenue|Avenue]] ([[User talk:Avenue|talk]]) 05:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. A WMF sponsored travel site will be a useful addition. At Wikipedia, it is impossible to recommend hotels, restaurants, places to see etc. in a tourist article, without risking a violation of NPOV, NOR, (insert a 3 or 4 letter policy here), etc. [[User:EngineerFromVega|EngineerFromVega]] ([[User talk:EngineerFromVega|talk]]) 07:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. Travel is a domain where good information is really useful, even if when we start out it is piecemeal. I'm really interested to see if we can achieve a broad perspective on what it means to visit a place. For example, in Baltimore, I encourage tourists to go anywhere but the tourist district, since they pay their employees badly and a lot of the money doesn't filter back into the city. This is the kind of information I'd hope we could include. Some POV might be inevitable and we need to be prepared to handle that. [[User:Groupuscule|Groupuscule]] ([[User talk:Groupuscule|talk]]) 12:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#*Have you checked out [[:Wikitravel:Baltimore#Districts]]? I've been doing a ton of work on that lately, but am a little burnt out. We could use help especially with the North and Southeast articles for information on Hampden, the Johns Hopkins area, and Greektown in the Southeast. Check the other adjacent district article maps for an idea of what the boundaries are. This is all if you're interested, of course ;) The site does seem to be down right now, though—sigh... --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 14:15, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. A travel project fits well into the WMF mission. --[[User:Denny|denny]] ([[User talk:Denny|talk]]) 14:18, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. I'm a normal editor on Wikitravel (not an administrator). Used to be more active but lost interest due to constant technical problems as well as too far-going commercialisation plans. I always loved the idea of an open, free travel guide and Wikimedia seems like the perfect environment. I've always considered traveling one of the most educational activities possible. As a traveler, I keep switching between Wikipedia and Wikitravel, in order to have both the practical (tourist) information ánd the deeper knowledge and backgrounds on places and sights. It will be great to have them closer together and I'm sure it will encourage people to learn even more about the places they visit. [[User:Justme2|Justme2]] ([[User talk:Justme2|talk]]) 14:21, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. Das fehlende Puzzleteil. [[User:Liesel|Liesel]] ([[User talk:Liesel|talk]]) 14:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. Willkommen in der Familie. ;) [[User:MichaelSchoenitzer|MichaelSchoenitzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer|talk]]) 14:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' I'm really looking forward to become a contributer to the Wikimedia Travel Guide. --[[User:David Ludwig|David Ludwig]] ([[User talk:David Ludwig|talk]]) 15:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:Chaddy|Chaddy]] ([[User talk:Chaddy|talk]]) 17:19, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Suport''' Another kind of knowledge collected in a collobrative process. Perfectly fits the Wikimedia Movement. [[User:Sebastian Wallroth|Sebastian Wallroth]] ([[User talk:Sebastian Wallroth|talk]]) 18:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Suport''' --[[User:Michail|Michail]] ([[User talk:Michail|talk]]) 18:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - don't see any reason to oppose if those communities are sure about their favourite future -- [[User:Achim Raschka|Achim Raschka]] ([[User talk:Achim Raschka|talk]]) 18:40, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Wvk|Wvk]] ([[User talk:Wvk|talk]]) 19:27, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:El Grafo|El Grafo]] ([[User talk:El Grafo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Jan Luca|Jan Luca]] ([[User talk:Jan Luca|talk]]) 19:43, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Joergens.mi|Joergens.mi]] ([[User talk:Joergens.mi|talk]]) 22:19, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# Strong '''support''' --[[User:Morten Haan|Morten Haan]] ([[User talk:Morten Haan|talk]]) 22:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Mauerquadrant|Mauerquadrant]] ([[User talk:Mauerquadrant|talk]]) 00:41, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Prolineserver|Prolineserver]] ([[User talk:Prolineserver|talk]]) 01:23, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Peter.C|Peter.C]] ([[User talk:Peter.C|talk]]) 02:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' - It will be interesting to see how we can maintain a neutral POV on this project, but it's worth trying at least :-) [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 04:07, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:Yes agree there are a number of challenging including this one ahead of us. However if we have a large community of people using common sense and consensus I am sure that it can be overcome. Wikipedia too only works in practice and not theory.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 10:58, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::Yeah, and I'll also do whatever I can to help. As someone who does travel often, this project interests me and I'll gladly contribute to it. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 19:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' --[[User:Ayacop|Ayacop]] ([[User talk:Ayacop|talk]]) 06:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' -- [[User:Balou46|Balou46]] ([[User talk:Balou46|talk]]) 09:47, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' --[[User:Timmaexx|Timmaexx]] ([[User talk:Timmaexx|talk]]) 10:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' --[[User:Church of emacs|Tobias]] <small>[[User talk:Church of emacs|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Church of emacs|contrib]]</small> 12:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' The project will fill an information gap that we currently can't address on other project. Yes, there are issues but they're not impossible to overcome. --[[User:Dimi z|Dimi z]] ([[User talk:Dimi z|talk]]) 15:43, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. It would be a great idea and helpful in may ways. It will increase the mobile users of the Wikipedia as well. Waiting for the approval, and will contribute the to the Bengali version. Cheers. [[User:Nasir8891|Nasir Khan Saikat]] ([[User talk:Nasir8891|talk]]) 16:53, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. Overlaps a bit with Wikipedia and is too big for Wikibooks. Nice pictures are also good for Wikimedia Commons. The project will get more public attention. --[[User:Headbreak|Headbreak]] ([[User talk:Headbreak|talk]]) 18:15, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. as Wikivoyager. --[[User:J. Patrick Fischer|J. Patrick Fischer]] ([[User talk:J. Patrick Fischer|talk]]) 19:08, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' --[[User:Patkenel|Patkenel]] ([[User talk:Patkenel|talk]]) 23:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. There are people who are enthusiastic about joining and sharing their content with us - we would be quite stupid to turn them and their content down.--[[User:Poupou l&#39;quourouce|Poupou l&#39;quourouce]] ([[User talk:Poupou l&#39;quourouce|talk]]) 00:32, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. How often do we have to revert in Wikipedia telling the contributor "WP is not a travel guide!" Now we know where to send this contributor to the benefit of both sides. Wikitravel won't be the first NPOV project. Wikiversity, or Wikibooks aren't either. I would even like to see differnt POVs presented in Wikitravel, because not all travelers are alike or have the same preferences. --[[User:Wuselig|Wuselig]] ([[User talk:Wuselig|talk]]) 01:35, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:Exactly and one of the proposals is the use of Wikidata to allow travelers to sort listing based on what kind of traveler they are.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 12:07, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. you're welcome. --[[User:NatiSythen|NatiSythen]] ([[User talk:NatiSythen|talk]]) 04:39, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. --[[User:Don-kun|Don-kun]] ([[User talk:Don-kun|talk]]) 09:01, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. Good idea. -- [[User:Alan ffm|Alan ffm]] ([[User talk:Alan ffm|talk]]) 09:49, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:Andim|Andim]] ([[User talk:Andim|talk]]) 10:56, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:Krokofant|Krokofant]]<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Stillhart|Stillhart]] ([[User talk:Stillhart|talk]]) 14:08, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Steschke|ST]] [[:de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Steschke|○]] 15:36, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Digr|Digr]] ([[User talk:Digr|talk]]) 18:00, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' -- [[User:Common Good|Common Good]] ([[User talk:Common Good|talk]]) 18:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Weak support''' People have been comparing [[wikitravel:|Wikitravel]] with Wikipedia, but I think that this is wrong: Wikitravel should be compared with Wikibooks instead. In Wikitravel, you get instructions on what to do as a tourist at a specific location. In Wikibooks, you get, for example, instructions on how to use a specific product. I have compared a Wikitravel page ([[wikitravel:Stockholm]]) with a Wikibooks page ([[b:A Beginner's Guide to MS Windows Optimization]]) and both seem to contain the same level of [[w:WP:OR]] and [[w:WP:NPOV]]. I guess that this is the way you would normally write an instruction manual: you have to violate some ''Wikipedia'' policies. However, Wikipedia policies are designed for Wikipedia, and I assume that it is fine to violate them on other projects. Thus, Wikitravel seems to fit the Wikimedia concept of educational websites. I am concerned about the performance of Internet Brands' server: I often notice that it is extremely slow when I try to access Wikitravel. I rarely make any edits there, but when I have tried doing so, I have sometimes noticed that I am suddenly logged out without notice and that I am suddenly editing as an IP. Then I go to [[wikitravel:Special:UserLogin]] and try to log in only to notice that I am already logged in, so I click on "Show preview" in the edit window. Oops, logged out again! Not a big issue for me, but Wikitravel admins might not be happy if lots of users accidentally end up using IP sockpuppets due to server errors. I feel that something has to be done, but I am also afraid that the community might split so that some users remain at the old site whereas other users move to Wikimedia. --[[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 21:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#''Conditional Support'' -- I think it may be true that we will get more editors, and it is definitely true we will get more content and make travel information on the Internet not suck. I am concerned that the Wikimedia Foundation appears to have ignored their little projects such as Wikibooks, Wikiversity, Wikisource. Wikiquote, Wikispecies. This project will probably in short order joint them. If they are to be brought into the fold, I propose they be added to the goals for 2015 for the foundation, that they all have their own individual plans for development and growth for the future, and that funding and technical resources be allotted to them for their further development, which will inevitably bleed over into Wikipedia improvements.[[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] ([[User talk:Judgesurreal777|talk]]) 14:18, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:At last check 32 Wikitravel admins and a whole lot of Wikitravel users have committed to moving over, so there will most definitely be new editors joining. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 03:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' -- [[User:Avantenor|Avantenor]] ([[User talk:Avantenor|talk]]) 23:43, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. I'm a long term contibutor to Wikitravel. I strongly agree with what [[User:Wuselig|Wuselig]] said. --[[User:Inas66|Inas66]] ([[User talk:Inas66|talk]]) 00:22, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' -- [[User:Hubertl|Hubertl]] ([[User talk:Hubertl|talk]]) 05:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects|OTRS='''Support'''|[[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px|Support]] '''Support'''}} --[[User:Berthold Werner|Berthold Werner]] ([[User talk:Berthold Werner|talk]]) 09:31, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:Hinkelstein|Hinkelstein]] ([[User talk:Hinkelstein|talk]]) 11:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Enst38|Enst38]] ([[User talk:Enst38|talk]]) 12:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' There are serious costs to this but the benefits far outweigh them. I am particularly persuaded by the opportunity to attract new users from existing travel projects. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="cursor:help"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span></span>]] 14:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' This could be a great addition to the WMF projects --[[User:Michael Sch.|Michael Sch.]] ([[User talk:Michael Sch.|talk]]) 14:54, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''': This projet will be a great addition for Wikipedia, because many aspects of travel guide are misplaced in Wikipedia and would violate the WP:NOT rule. [[User:Wind|Wind]] ([[User talk:Wind|talk]]) 15:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''': I'm convinced by the proposal analysis of the educative value of the project. The set of rules and the licensing policies are correct and in adequation with other Wikimedia projects standards. A discussion is needed for a standard domain name. --[[User:Dereckson|Dereckson]] ([[User talk:Dereckson|talk]]) 17:48, 17 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Strong support''': There is no sense in having various projects - Wikipedia anyway is mostly the starting point for many tourists to search information about destinations (talking about experiences in the travel business). It is better to keep one strong project than various weaker ones. We are considering to create a group within a motorbiker's network that would be interested in exactly such a project to support, so learning about Wikimedia talking about a travel guide was really good.--[[User:SabineCretella|Sabine]] ([[User talk:SabineCretella|talk]]) 09:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Gildemax|gildemax]] ([[User talk:Gildemax|talk]]) 10:30, 18 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''': A travel project would fit well into WMF, and there are historical ties between the projects anyway (see Evan's vote). --[[User:Zeno Gantner|zeno]] ([[User talk:Zeno Gantner|talk]]) 13:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - Here is my thinking. [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wikitravel.org Wikitravel] is HUGE–more popular than [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.wikiquote.org Wikiquote], [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.wikibooks.org Wikibooks] and [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wikisource.org Wikisource]. The increased viewership could be a huge asset for increasing Wikimedia's brand awareness. [[User:Marcus Qwertyus|Marcus Qwertyus]] ([[User talk:Marcus Qwertyus|talk]]) 19:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - God, I dread this. The multiplication of sub-guides will almost certainly make rabbits look like monks. But I can also easily see that it might draw a few more people to become editors in general, probably including a fair number of people from smaller areas, and that would probably be a good thing. And, yeah, if other existing sites want to merge into one here, that will provide a reasonably sound basis for a start. But this might make the English wikipedia look like an easy project to manage. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 00:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' simply, it will be very useful for people around the world , so i'm supporting it . {{unsigned|Mr AkRaM}}<br />
# '''Support''' - It will be better if the local designation will have an allowance by supplying mapping and facts. However, will make disadvantages through misguidance. <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#1589FF 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#1589FF -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;color:#800080">[[User:V838 Monocerotis|<span style="font-family:Arial Narrow; color:dark blue; background:white"><b>Jonas'VM</b></font>]][[User talk:V838 Monocerotis|<font color="#FFFF00"><sup></sup> ☼</font>]]</font> 9:18 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - I hope to be a quality such as Wikipedia. --[[User:Vhorvat|Vhorvat]] ([[User talk:Vhorvat|talk]]) 01:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - I can understand opponents' concern for this proposal. But, I believe in power of this community. We can do it.--[[User:かぬま|かぬま]] ([[User talk:かぬま|talk]]) 02:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - Would be a great addition to the WMF. --[[User:J36miles|J36miles]] ([[User talk:J36miles|talk]]) 02:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Jivee Blau|Jivee Blau]] ([[User talk:Jivee Blau|talk]]) 02:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' -[[User:Jean.julius|Jean.julius]] ([[User talk:Jean.julius|talk]]) 02:19, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - --[[User:Soyescritor|Soyescritor]] ([[User talk:Soyescritor|talk]]) 02:27, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - [[User:Evad37|Evad37]] ([[User talk:Evad37|talk]]) 02:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - [[User:Umarfarooq111|Umarfarooq111]] ([[User talk:Umarfarooq111|talk]]) 02:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Not so bad, do it. but I have no money to travel to other country. <nowiki>:P</nowiki> --[[User:Yodamgod|Yodamgod]] ([[User talk:Yodamgod|talk]]) 02:54, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:We hope to also have content to help people travel around their own communities. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 03:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - This is a nautral way. [[User:Vini 175|Vinicius Siqueira]] ([[User talk:Vini 175|talk]]) 03:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - I like the idea behind Wikitravel, and I like the WMF. Join alliances. [[User:Maximilianklein|Maximilianklein]] ([[User talk:Maximilianklein|talk]]) 03:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' The project would attract lots of people from the tourism industry. [[User:Karthikndr|Karthikndr]] ([[User talk:Karthikndr|talk]]) 03:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Would be a good addition. -- [[User:Laberkiste|Laberkiste]] ([[User talk:Laberkiste|talk]]) 04:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' I like travel.--[[User:Qa003qa003|Qa003qa003]] ([[User talk:Qa003qa003|talk]]) 04:19, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Suport'''—I don't think it is relevant whether we can import WikiTravel and WikiVoyage with the click of a button. The simple fact is, there is a sector of knowledge not covered by our existing projects, and this is our chance to cover it. If the new project garners the expected interest, the editors will be able to import WT and WV manually over time, if necessary. —[[User:Ynhockey|Ynhockey]] ([[User talk:Ynhockey|talk]]) 04:22, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' as it really bugs me that the existing Wikitravel is a for-profit entity. I'm reluctant to contribute to that site when I know that someone is profiting off of my work.--[[User:Bdell555|Bdell555]] ([[User talk:Bdell555|talk]]) 04:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Slight support''' - Yeah, it can be helpful and gives a completion to WMF projects, particularly related articles in WP. Though we already have links to it, wikification of WT is necessary and becomes possible quickly when it comes under the WMF umbrella. I also worry about the following<br />
#* I hope that the info given in WT would be reliable enough. We can give WB as an example for not having refs, but here it is slightly different.<br />
#* This is about personal experiences and will provide a good mask for efficient trolls. This can be experienced ''effectively'' as the project gets bigger.<br />
#:It seems that ''many'' of those who support are deeply interested in having more editors. Some are just very excited to hear about a new project. I think the current editors at WMF and WT/Y have very different styles. Getting a large number of editors with these styles is different from getting inexperienced editors. [[User:Vanischenu|Vanischenu]] ([[User talk:Vanischenu|talk]]) 04:25, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Strong support''' We are utilizing existing infrastructure of WikiTravel, WikiVoyage, and NYCwiki. This project is completely in line with the foundation's mission and could quite possibly increase editorship in other projects.[[User:Ryan Vesey|Ryan Vesey]] ([[User talk:Ryan Vesey|talk]]) 04:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - But Wiki should not compromise with its reliability quotient and it should not be a advertisement platform. Appropriate rules should be made. Anyway Travel wiki is a welcome step ahead.--[[User:Bharathiya|Bharathiya]] ([[User talk:Bharathiya|talk]]) 05:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Good idea. --[[User:Stryn|Stryn]] ([[User talk:Stryn|talk]]) 05:14, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Strong Support''' This is a great idea. A travel guide would be a great expansion to the Wikimedia Foundation. [[User:Hadger|Hadger]] ([[User talk:Hadger|talk]]) 05:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Good idea, since ad-free. --[[User:Olli|Olli]] ([[User talk:Olli|talk]]) 06:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:DILIN|DILIN]] ([[User talk:DILIN|talk]]) 06:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''.amazing idea.--[[User:Geronimixxx|Geronimixxx]] ([[User talk:Geronimixxx|talk]]) 06:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Let's make something really good!! [[User:Octavius 909|Octavius 909]] ([[User talk:Octavius 909|talk]]) 07:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' High demand, good synergies with other wikimedia-projects, opportunity to win more participiants also in other projects.--[[User:Karsten11|Karsten11]] ([[User talk:Karsten11|talk]]) 07:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' All my articles about roman and italian buildings and churches could be packed together in a good way for travellers. --[[User:Capaci34|Capaci34]] ([[User talk:Capaci34|talk]]) 08:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''': As active user both in ru.WP and WT.ru, I believe that it would be a much needed and useful addition to WP and other WMF projects. --[[User:Л.П. Джепко|Л.П. Джепко]] ([[User talk:Л.П. Джепко|talk]]) 08:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Good idea. –'''[[User:ElmA|ElmA]] <small>([[User talk:ElmA|<span style="color:#0070FF">Talk</span>]] – [[Special:Contributions/ElmA|<span style="color:#0070FF">My contributions</span>]] – [[Special:EmailUser/ElmA|<span style="color:#0070FF">E-mail]]</span>)</small> 09:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support'''. I've consulted Wikitravel fairly often, and I've even edited it a few times. For all its shortcomings, Wikitravel does have some excellent content and a fairly active, if small, editor base. Thus, we've seen that a wiki travel guide can work. A Wikimedia-backed project would be far more technically reliable than Wikitravel, and would attract more editors from the various other Wikimedia communities. In particular, the new project would need experienced administrators, bureaucrats, and other functionaries, which Wikitravel seems to lack. <font color="green">[[en:User:Szyslak|szyslak]]</font> 09:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' Good Idea and helpful in many points of view. --[[User:IlSignoreDeiPC|IlSignoreDeiPC]] ([[User talk:IlSignoreDeiPC|talk]]) 09:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' Good idea.--[[User:David1010|David1010]] ([[User talk:David1010|talk]]) 09:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' Good idea to put information inside that is not "relevant" as most says for articles -- [[User:P.oppenia|P.oppenia]] ([[User talk:P.oppenia|talk]]) 10:03, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' It will be really helpful for traveling... [[User:Slaven Kosanovic|Slaven Kosanovic]] ([[User talk:Slaven Kosanovic|talk]]) 10:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' Very-very good idea! --►[[User:Cekli829|'''<font face="AzPresident"><font color="blue">Safir</font> <font color="red">yüzüklü</font> <font color="green">Cekli</font></font>''']]<sup>[[User talk:Cekli829|mesaj]]</sup> 10:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' --[[User:Hydriz|Hydriz]] ([[User talk:Hydriz|talk]]) 10:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Support''' Traveling is best education for understanding the world and its people. --[[User:Benreis|Benreis]] ([[User talk:Benreis|talk]]) 10:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Travels are a part of the culture. It is important to join force to do the best. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 11:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:Noritaka666|Noritaka666]] ([[User talk:Noritaka666|talk]]) 11:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' ''Travellation''. Great idea. Wish we've done this a long time ago yet and of course to quote a famous American leader: "Yes, we can!" <br/>Kind regards,&nbsp;[[User_talk:ZeaForUs|Klaas]]&nbsp;&zwnj;&nbsp;[[User:ZeaForUs|V]] 11:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' <span style="font-size: 120%">Go ahead!!</span> [[User:Rursus|rursus]] ([[User talk:Rursus|talk]]) 11:36, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Good idea! Yes, of course! [[User:Rajasuu|Rajasuu]]<br />
# '''Support''' Wikipedia cannot cover every possible tourist destination in minute detail. - [[User:Presidentman|Presidentman]] ([[User talk:Presidentman|talk]]) 12:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:Grekube|Grekube]] ([[User talk:Grekube|talk]]) 12:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:Atlasowa|Atlasowa]] ([[User talk:Atlasowa|talk]])<br />
# '''Support''' Thumbs up! As mentioned above, travel information is practical knowledge and education. I never learned so much other than during my travels. [[User:Benoit Rochon|Benoit Rochon]] ([[User talk:Benoit Rochon|talk]])<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:LightBringer|LightBringer]] ([[User talk:LightBringer|talk]]) 13:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# <strike>'''Support''' I would support this project, as a tourism lover and as a Tourism student. Maybe local tourist boards want to dump some of their info into this new site and, anyway, W'pedia already hosts a lot of tourist vaulable information. --[[User:Schumi4ever|Schumi4ever]] ([[User talk:Schumi4ever|talk]]) 13:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)</strike> Sorry, changed my mind...<br />
# '''Support''' I will support and defend this project because I believe it would be great for the community. It will also, I hope, expand the Wikipedia/Wikimedia project, make it better.[[User:Steve92341|Steve92341]] ([[User talk:Steve92341|talk]]) 14:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Very good idea![[User:Duval|Duval]] ([[User talk:Duval|talk]]) 14:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' If the WT and the WV communities want to merge into a new Wikimedia project, I think we should welcome them. I vote for "Wikivoyage" to name the project, it's more multilingual than using "travel". [[User:Surt Fafnir|Surt Fafnir]] ([[User talk:Surt Fafnir|talk]]) 14:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' as a major contributor for articles about American places on jawp. [[User:Yassie|Yassie]] ([[User talk:Yassie|talk]]) 14:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. --[[User:פדיחה|פדיחה]] ([[User talk:פדיחה|talk]]) 14:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''.--[[File:Wibot.jpg|30px]]''' <big>[[User:Cyrax Cyborg|<font color="Yellow"><span style="text-shadow:Gray 0.1em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Cyrax</span></font>]]</big>''' <small>''[[User talk:Cyrax Cyborg|<font color="#88cc44">(Comando)</font>]]''</small> 14:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. [[User:בנימין|בנימין]] ([[User talk:בנימין|talk]]) 15:22, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''.-- Thumbs up.Sounds like a plan.[[BrightStarSky]],19 July 2012<br />
# '''Support'''.-- Sounds great! --[[Special:Contributions/92.73.192.149|92.73.192.149]] 15:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. Excellent idea!! --[[User:Arzino|Arzino]] ([[User talk:Arzino|talk]]) 15:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. --[[User:Netha Hussain|Netha Hussain]] ([[User talk:Netha Hussain|talk]]) 16:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects|OTRS='''Support'''|[[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px|Support]] '''Support'''}} Cool idea... long as everyone who are giving support, be future editors :) --[[User:ProtoplasmaKid|ProtoplasmaKid]] ([[User talk:ProtoplasmaKid|talk]]) 16:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''', as long as neutrality is enforced. --[[User:NaBUru38|NaBUru38]] ([[User talk:NaBUru38|talk]]) 16:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' -- [[User:Milad A380|Milad A380]] ([[User talk:Milad A380|talk]]) 16:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. It's a great idea. This site will increase the world's knowledge. [[User:Gullit Torres|Gullit Torres]] ([[User talk:Gullit Torres|talk]]) 17:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. [[User:Bogdanpax|Bogdanpax]] ([[User talk:Bogdanpax|talk]]) 17:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' A very logical step. [[User:Joadl|Joadl]] ([[User talk:Joadl|talk]]) 17:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' interesting proposition. --[[User:Ne0Freedom|Ne0Freedom]] ([[User talk:Ne0Freedom|talk]]) 17:39, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' &mdash;[[User:Derschueler|Derschueler]] 17:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC) <small>good idea!</small><br />
# '''Support''' [[User:B1mbo|B1mbo]] ([[User talk:B1mbo|talk]]) 17:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' it'll be a very useful project.--[[User:Àlex|Àlex]] ([[User talk:Àlex|talk]]) 18:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Find it a very interesting idea (as a former contributor on WikiTravel besides) --[[User:Floflo|Floflo]] ([[User talk:Floflo|talk]]) 18:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''' WikiTravel should have been assimilated by WMF long time ago. --[[User:Piotrus|Piotrus]] ([[User talk:Piotrus|talk]]) 18:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - I peek at Wikitravel occasionally, but it could really use some love; far too often, it's outdated, incomplete, or (if you're looking for accomodation, pubs etc.) biased towards a few businesses that you can't help but feel inserted themselves into the pages. Having a project like this under the WMF umbrella could bring in new contributors (and bring back old ones) and increase the content's quality, thus ultimately benefit everyone who makes use it. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] ([[User talk:Schneelocke|talk]]) 18:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '"Support"'- Would be very helpful and educational. If kept to the standards of the WMF and Wikipedia community, I'm definitely in. -- [[User:Edgehead1212|Edgehead1212]] ([[User talk:Edgehead1212|talk]])<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Nicor|Nicor]] ([[User talk:Nicor|talk]]) 18:50, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px|Support]] '''Support!''' Long overdue IMHO! It fits thematically and would be a strong statement against misguided commercial interests on the back of a volunteer community. --[[User:Brsmain|Boris Marinov]] ([[User talk:Brsmain|talk]]) 18:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# --[[User:Pelz|Pelz]] ([[User talk:Pelz|talk]]) 19:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Derzno|Derzno]] ([[User talk:Derzno|talk]]) 19:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Broaden the community! [[User:Billdanbury|Bill D]] ([[User talk:Billdanbury|talk]]) 19:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px|Support]] '''Support!''' the arguments of the opposers let me say yes. A Travel Guide is good for education. The influence of Advertisement is overestimated.--[[User:Mdarge|Mdarge]] ([[User talk:Mdarge|talk]]) 19:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Skizzik|Skizzik]] ([[User talk:Skizzik|talk]]) 19:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Bin im Garten|Bin im Garten]] ([[User talk:Bin im Garten|talk]]) 20:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Very interesting idea!--[[User:Алексей Гоманков|Алексей Гоманков]] ([[User talk:Алексей Гоманков|talk]]) 20:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Kdkeller|Kdkeller]] ([[User talk:Kdkeller|talk]]) 20:54, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' -- [[User:ترجمان05|ترجمان05]] ([[User talk:ترجمان05|talk]]) 21:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' Very good idea --[[User:Mbs z|Mbs z]] ([[User talk:Mbs z|talk]]) 21:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:ToBeFree|ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 21:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' I was going to oppose this as a duplication of Wikitravel, but if a majority of that project's admins and all its contributors who responded are interested in migration to WMF, that's a very good thing. The project is already developed, and its content can be moved here without substantial licensing issues. Why not? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 21:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - Would by very helpful to have one strong base for all the active editors --[[User:Wivoelke|Wivoelke]] ([[User talk:Wivoelke|talk]]) 21:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - [[User:Kpjas|Kpjas]] ([[User talk:Kpjas|talk]]) 22:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:LZ6387|LZ6387]] ([[User talk:LZ6387|talk]]) 22:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - Intriguing idea, very logical, Wikipedia is filled with pages of villages and townships and places people would never search for on an encyclopedia, such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uher_%28village%29 this town], or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokr%C3%B3wka this one] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horodyszcze-Kolonia this little village], most of these would seem more belonging in a project dedicated solely to the topic. [[User:Pluto and Beyond|Pluto and Beyond]] ([[User talk:Pluto and Beyond|talk]]) 00:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:Generous|Generous]] ([[User talk:Generous|talk]]) 00:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' This will be a massive project, we are in we support it.--[[User:Maxwell gauss|Maxwell gauss]] ([[User talk:Maxwell gauss|talk]]) 01:47, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''. I'm a co-founder of Wikitravel, a longtime MediaWiki developer and Wikipedia admin, and I support this proposal. --[[User:EvanProdromou|EvanProdromou]] ([[User talk:EvanProdromou|talk]]) 01:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:FrankyLeRoutier|FrankyLeRoutier]] ([[User talk:FrankyLeRoutier|talk]]) 02:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' [[User:Denis Barthel|Denis Barthel]] ([[User talk:Denis Barthel|talk]]) 02:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC) Co-founder of German Wikitravel, Wikipedian, Wikimedian. [[User:Denis Barthel|Denis Barthel]] ([[User talk:Denis Barthel|talk]]) 02:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''': Why not? --[[User:MadriCR|MadriCR]] ([[User talk:MadriCR|talk]]) 03:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''': Not only be a support to all users of wikimedia, if not all travel agents who want to contribute their bit this project. It's a great idea. I fully support. --[[User:Juancameneses11|Juancameneses11]] ([[User talk:Juancameneses11|talk]]) 06:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{strong support}}: Its a great idea. [[User:Hindustanilanguage|Hindustanilanguage]] ([[User talk:Hindustanilanguage|talk]]) 07:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC).<br />
# '''Support''': Good idea --[[User:Feuerst|Feuerst]] ([[User talk:Feuerst|talk]]) 07:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:9xl|9xl]] ([[User talk:9xl|talk]]) 07:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - Good Move ---[[User:Captainofhope|<font face="zapfino" color="blue">...Captain......</font>]][[User_talk:Captainofhope|<font face="Papyrus" color="brown" >Tälk tö me..</font>]] 09:23, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' - C'est une très belle idée. [[User:Mulunda Selenge Bienvenu|Mulunda Selenge Bienvenu]] ([[User talk:Mulunda Selenge Bienvenu|talk]]) 09:29, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' --[[User:BambooBeast|BambooBeast]] ([[User talk:BambooBeast|talk]]) 10:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''' -[[User:Stauffenberg|Stauffenberg]] ([[User talk:Stauffenberg|talk]]) 11:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''': Sounds like a great new idea and it goes well with the WMF's other projects. Spread the knowledge, even if it's in a travel guide format. --[[User:Rev-san|Rev-san]] ([[User talk:Rev-san|talk]]) 11:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support''': --[[User:Tkarcher|Tkarcher]] ([[User talk:Tkarcher|talk]]) 12:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Support'''': after careful consideration of arguments on the talk page [[User:Teemeah|Teemeah]] ([[User talk:Teemeah|talk]]) 12:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}}. [[Special:Contributions/88.176.129.199|88.176.129.199]] 12:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC).<br />
# '''Support'''': Somebody read my mind! --[[User:Sefer|Sefer]] ([[User talk:Sefer|talk]]) 12:42, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}} good idea. [[w:en:User:Ramesh Ramaiah|<span style="text-shadow:gray 4px 4px 3px;"><font color="#663300">'''''Ramesh Ramaiah'''''</font></span>]][[w:en:User Talk:Ramesh Ramaiah|<span style="text-shadow:gray 3px 3px 2px;"><sup> talk</sup></span>]] 12:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}} Yes, strengthen the Wikimedia super-community. Good prospects for success. --[[User:Ettrig|Ettrig]] ([[User talk:Ettrig|talk]]) 13:42, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}} Have always wished that this community was part of Wikimedia. +1 for new blood :) [[User:Seddon|Seddon]] ([[User talk:Seddon|talk]]) 14:35, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}} why not. [[User:Lukas²³|Lukas²³]] ([[User talk:Lukas²³|talk]]) 14:42, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}} I am looking for a useful wiki travel guide for long time, Wikivoyage just has Germany and Italin version; Wikitravel is not so active as wikipedia. It looks like a difficult project to integrade Wikivoyage&Wikitravel into wiki Travel Guide, however, there some non-profit(or half)wiki sites have collapsed so as to waste plenty wonderful resources. It's worth starting the project by WMF rather than other wiki communities going to be in a dilemma. We deeply need nature knowledge as well travel guide.----[[User:Davisan|Davisan]] ([[User talk:Davisan|Talk]][[zh:User talk:Davisan|留言]]) 14:57, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{support}} As a long-time bureaucrat/admin/contributor to Wikitravel and Wikitravel Shared, I can only support this idea. Internet Brands haven't been able to take care of the site, and the stalwart users, such as myself, are rapidly loosing interest. The recent MediaWiki upgrade was a welcome action by Internet Brands, but I fear it is a bit late. Actually, I suggested a move like this [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/shared/index.php?title=Talk:Advertising_policy&diff=141767&oldid=141761 last year]. [[User:Riggwelter|Riggwelter]] ([[User talk:Riggwelter|talk]]) 15:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Strong Support'''. Most of the people who will write in such a project are not the same as those who are writing in wikipedia just now. But if they get involved in one of the wikimedia projects it is more likely they will get involved in other wikimedia projects. Additionally they will advertise for wikimedia distribute the understanding what’s going on here. Greetings from Germany [[de:Benutzer:Luha|Lutz Hartmann]]. [[Special:Contributions/217.245.252.81|217.245.252.81]] 15:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{support|strong support}} --[[User:Katarighe|<b style="color:#00C">Katarighe</b><b style="color:#009"></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Katarighe|<font color="maroon">'''Talk'''</font>]])</small> 15:29, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{support|strong support}} - [[User:Фаренгейто|Фаренгейто]] ([[User talk:Фаренгейто|talk]]) 15:31, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}} The fit is quite good - we have wikipedia and wikibooks already, in style this could fit between the two, and this should be a good way to gain contributors for both projects. [[User:ChrisHodgesUK|ChrisHodgesUK]] ([[User talk:ChrisHodgesUK|talk]]) 16:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}} Shoot, why not, especially if we are capturing all of those volunteers and content. Thats a way to add another part of to the community that will have interest in the movements success, [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 16:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}}, it's a great opportunity both for WikiTravel/WikiVoyage and for the Wikimedia projects. Cdlt, [[User:VIGNERON|V<span style="font-size:75%">IGNERON</span>]] * [[User talk:VIGNERON|<sup>discut.</sup>]] 16:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}}. I have always been reluctant to contribute to WT, because of its commercial purpose. A Wikimedia-supported travel site seems to be a good idea. [[User:BrightRaven|BrightRaven]] ([[User talk:BrightRaven|talk]]) 16:18, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}} --[[User:MichaelK|MichaelK]] ([[User talk:MichaelK|talk]]) 16:29, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{support}} because it would be a much more acceptable place for certain kinds of content that people feel iffy about in Wikipedia, like minute trivia about places, information about famous local personalities and all those local businesses. Everybody wins! --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 17:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
# '''Oppose''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_manual.2C_guidebook.2C_textbook.2C_or_scientific_journal Wikipedia is not a manual, '''guidebook''', textbook, or scientific journal] and Wikipedia should not be the one and only guide for everything. --[[User:Arcy|Arcy]] ([[User talk:Arcy|talk]]) 21:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: Note that the proposal is to migrate content (and communities) from the existing Wikivoyage and Wikitravel projects to a new WMF site (similar to wikinews or wikiquotes); nothing has been proposed that would change Wikipedia in any way. -- [[User:Wrh2|Wrh2]] ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) 22:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: Wikipedia is not a collection of quotes, but ''Wikiquote'' is. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, but ''Wiktionary'' is. The proposal is about starting a new project, not about changing Wikipedia in any way. /[[User:abbedabb|<b style="font-family:'Arial black'; color:#ff9c15">abbedabb</b>]][[Användardiskussion:abbedabb|<sup><i>talk</i></sup>]] 10:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# <s>Oppose</s> '''Very strong Oppose''' This isn't as simple as changing the URLs and calling it a day. I don't see it as being possible to do a seamless import, i.e. bring over all of the content, all of the editors, all of the policies, all of the page histories, etc., and leave nothing behind at the old domain. If that's not possible to do, then we're going to end up not doing an import, but a fork. In my opinion, forking a functional project at best creates one mostly functional project and one heavily damaged project, and at worst, creates two heavily damaged projects. Let's not break things that work. All of that being said, if this does go forward, I'd be willing to help coordinate the integration of Wikitravel Shared with Wikimedia Commons. [[User:Sven Manguard|Sven Manguard]] ([[User talk:Sven Manguard|talk]]) 04:15, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: The reason why this proposal exists is that WT is not functional. Yes we do not want to create two heavily damaged projects. We will hopefully be bringing in WV. Thus we will hopefully be bringing together a broken project, integrating it with a non-broken one and helping them both grow from there.--[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 06:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: The fork already happened when Wikivoyage started and Wikitravelists were pissed off by Wikitravel hoster. What we can do here is bring the dissolving community back together in one place. I read the comments from Wikivoyage folks here that way that if we do it right with Wikitravel then they would come and join us, too. So in the end we create a fork with people who want to fork ''anyway'' plus we may integrate another, already existing fork. If someone can do this, it is Wikimedia — of course it only works if the WT/WV community really want and support that. But it has been their initiative so far to contact us. So we should give them a warm welcome. --[[de:User:80686|Manuel Schneider]]<sup>[[de:User Talk:80686|(bla)]]&nbsp;[[de:User:80686/Bewertung|(+/-)]]</sup> 06:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: By all means, I'd be quite happy if you prove my cynicism on this matter unfounded. Rarely is it unfounded though. [[User:Sven Manguard|Sven Manguard]] ([[User talk:Sven Manguard|talk]]) 17:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::: I can vouch that it is near certain that WT admins will fork independently if this proposal falls through, as we were planning to before it became evident that moving to Wikimedia was a possibility. So yes, wikitravel.org will continue to exist without its defectors (and I think virtually all regular contributors will leave if a) this move happens, and b) they are aware of this move). The current hosts will likely lock down editing, chop articles into bits to improve SEO, increase space dedicated to advertising, and generally see the state of things degrade, as it has been even in spite of the effort we, the contributors, continue to put into the site. But, the choice is between welcoming the WT and WV folks to Wikimedia, offering the potential to re-unite those communities, increasing the likelihood that the WT crowd keeps its contributor base intact in the move, and to join them with Wikimedia's own—or seeing the travel wiki communities further fractured and with ever less support. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 19:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: @Manguard: When we decided to leave WT years back we wanted to keep the original spirit. We still might be a fork, but in the meantime most content is genuine WV ([http://www.wikivoyage.org/de/Spezial:Statistik statistic in german]). So we think that migrating our project (as we tried to suggested to WMF back in 2006)is not supporting a fork but integrating at least two communities into WMF projects. Therefore we bring a domain, a community and a large site under the roof of WM. WT de is without any administrator for months now. A lot of language versions just exist because they have been started once but are not living any more. Unfortunately so far none of the en WT community has joined our project before. But this time can be a major step forward to reunite the communities. Technical support on WT has been poor at least. We know that there seem to be old issues of the founding community which are based on our fork. But hurt feelings should not stop the project from beeing started. --[[User:Der Reisende|Der Reisende]] ([[User talk:Der Reisende|talk]]) 14:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:::I find it disturbing that only one of the fifteen opposes tendered thus far has not solicited some sort of response from the support camp. On the projects that I'm active at that's called badgering, and it's looked down upon because of the chilling effect it has on discussions. The vast majority of the people commenting thus far have supported the proposal. You don't need to continue to respond to every single oppose, it's not helpful, it's not polite, and to me, it's not remotely acceptable. Therefore I've upgraded my opposition to very strong oppose. [[User:Sven Manguard|Sven Manguard]] ([[User talk:Sven Manguard|talk]]) 01:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::::This is a public discussion, and in public discussions it is expected that users will discuss the topic at hand. RfCs are not just a strict vote, they are a request for comments from a wide variety of perspectives - and as such, it is expected and normal that people of opposite viewpoints take time to refute arguments presented by the other side. Thank God that not all Wikimedians share enwiki's unproductive view on discussions occurring with these sorts of things. <small>Also, I hate to mention this, but adding the word "strong" to before the oppose changes absolutely nothing about the argument you presented and won't be counted any more than it would have been before.</small> [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 01:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:::::As Ajr said, this is a discussion, not a vote. Just because there are 10 supports to every 1 oppose, it doesn't mean one side is "winning". We are simply trying to discuss the issues the opposition has and point out our opinions. We are not copying and pasting the same response every time. If the opposition feel the burning desire to respond to some of the supporters comments above, nothing is stopping them. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] ([[User talk:JamesA|talk]]) 06:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} - For anyone with a question about the full functionality of Wikitravel, including its software, infrastructure, community and host, my response is simple: go visit. http://wikitravel.org/en/Main_Page Make some edits. Add content. Come to the world’s largest travel wiki, and see why seven million other travelers will do the same this month, viewing and printing 18 million pages to take on a trip, adding listings of their own and contributing to this unique resource. This community ought not be deprived of some of its finest administrators, editors, curators and writers. The Traveler Comes First.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 00:13, 29 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: <small>(Note: IBobi is one of the employees at Wikitravel) [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 01:04, 29 June 2012 (UTC)</small><br />
#::: <small>Clarifying: ibobi is an employee of Internet Brands, rather than an active WT community member &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 03:52, 2 July 2012 (UTC) </small><br />
#:::: <small>(Note: clarifying: ibobi is an employee at Internet Brands and user of Wikitravel)--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 19:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)</small><br />
#::::: I invite readers to examine [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/IBobi&limit=500&target=IBobi IBobi's contributions on Wikitravel] and decide for themselves. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 04:25, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: I think he made IB's point of view clear to all. Literally censorship is on the way (understandable for a company who might loose the cow that can be milked). --15:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: In reviewing this RFC, I thought to respond to IBobi's suggestion to check out the Wikitravel site. Thinking I would create an account and make a few edits to get a feel for what they have, I decided to login using OpenID. Unfortunately, the response after following the [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Main_Page provided link] said [http://wikitravel.org/en/Special:OpenIDLogin "No such special page"]. With all due respect, something is definitely not working over there. [[User:Cindamuse|Cindamuse]] ([[User talk:Cindamuse|talk]]) 13:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} [[wikitravel:]] exists. I see no need to replicate something that already exists within wikis. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:90%;">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 13:52, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: All of Wikitravel's most active users see a very real need for just that. Have you spent much time on Wikitravel? [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]]) 17:30, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::: Then why is that information omitted from the RFC? The RFC is pretty blank about why not enhance one of the existing travel sites, or what is the enhancement over the existing wikis. If the part of the argument is about either the unsustainability or the issues of other ventures, then it would have been helpful to have these raised in the RFC. My opinion/vote is solely based on the existing proposition and my use of the existing site that I quoted, and my perception of the benefits of another travel wiki. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:90%;">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 11:33, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:::: We would be rejoining two communities of editors (WV and WT) and the subsequent site would be free of adverting. WV split off because of the commercial issues. I know that I myself would not be here writing for Wikipedia if it was run by a for profit company.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 12:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} - Don't see the point of a whole new project. Why not set up a travel guide section on Wikibooks, and migrate their content to that instead? Seems like a waste of resources to have 2 wikiprojects with content that could happily fit into one. [[User:BarkingFish|BarkingFish]] ([[User talk:BarkingFish|talk]]) 19:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: One could say the same thing about Wikipedia and Wiktionary. Why not set up an encyclopedia section on Wikibooks? [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]]) 02:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::: Have you discussed your idea with other wikibooks editors to see how they feel? The German Wikivoyage project is 60% the size of all of German Wikibooks. Travel doesn't obviously fall within the wikibooks notion of 'textbook'. I see that you have worked on 'edge case' projects within Wikibooks: the cookbook and wikijunior. Both are cool, but have at times had their status on the project debated. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">&ndash;[[User:Sj|SJ]]<small>&nbsp;[[User Talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f90;">talk</font>]]&nbsp;</small></span> 20:51, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}}. One point that people don't seem to have brought up is that the WMF, as it stands, has scaling difficulties supporting the projects we ''do'' have. This is a natural outcome when you have so many variations on a theme run by such a small org. During his Board of Trustees Q&A at last year's Wikimania, Jimmy made the point that he doesn't think we should add additional projects until we can support the ones we have, and I agree with him. Wikitravel will invariably have individual and independent developer needs that the WMF will be expected to meet, and we can't promise they will be met. [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 19:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: At their meeting this Wednesday (July 11), the Board will decide whether they are willing to support the project. Opposing this just because you think they might say no seems a bit odd. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 11:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::: You don't seem to have read my comment; I'm not opposing because they say no. I'm opposing because if they say yes, we have another project to add to the list that cumulatively outstrips our ability to technically support. Most of our developers are focused on the Wikipedia model, which is understandable, because it's our flagship project and is currently in the doldrums, technically speaking. This is great. I think we ''should'' be focusing on Wikipedia. But I also appreciate that there are a lot of other projects that are also worthy and will need technical support and customised software, and that we don't have the resources to support all of them. Until we do, adding another one seems silly. [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 12:09, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:::: A number of people who are with WT have programing skills so hopefully they will join our volunteer programing team to improve Media Wiki. This new site also has a good possibility to bring in extra funding and thus allow the WMF to increase technical support for all projects.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 12:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} 1) Per Ironholds, and 2) Doesn't seem like the kind of project the WMF would want anyway... Everything else is verifiable, encyclopedic, news worthy, etc. but Travel stuff could be so opinionated. Further, if this is just supposed to be a database of places and attractions, it may serve better as a WikiProject on ENWP, not its own Wiki. [[User:AndrewN|AndrewN]] ([[User talk:AndrewN|talk]]) 06:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: A Wikitravel travel guide is considerably more than a "database of places and attractions", and even for those places and attractions Wikipedia's goals explicitly rule out core travel information like prices, opening hours, directions for getting there, contact information, etc. Also, the vast majority of the world's hotels, restaurants, nightclubs etc do not meet WP's notability requirements. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 11:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: I invite you to glance over these examples; The [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Star_articles Star Articles], our [http://wikitravel.org/en/Previous_Destinations_of_the_month Destinations of the Month], or the [http://wikitravel.org/en/Previously_Off_the_beaten_path Off the beaten path] places, for a taste of the aspirations. It is not just a database of places, many sites do that, probably better than Wikitravel too, its writing true travel guides anyone can edit that is the unique part of wikitravel. [[User:Sertmann|Sertmann]] ([[User talk:Sertmann|talk]]) 18:06, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Unfortunately. A travel site would fit nicely in the WMF remit. However ''this'' travel site is not a good fit for our culture; there is resistance to basic things like removal of advertising (I suggested to a secondary reviews portal on the mailing list, where it would be more utile, but to no avail), increased use of (or encouragement of) source material. WikiTravel, in these circumstances, would not be a useful free resource. In addition I have read the talk page discussions related to this proposal; I am concerned that the WT people are interested in the WMF for its technical support (which is fine) but are unwilling to adopt some of the basic tenets of the movement - particularly worrying was the discussion over "BLP" which is such a core facet of our movement, but which they seem to have no understanding of in context, nor how it would apply to WT. There seems no established mechanism for investigating copyright violations. The WT admins who are pioneering this movement have made claims that most of the users will move to this new project; but have not substantiated this with any explanation. Details on how many active users there are, how aware they would be of this change, etc. would be critical for my support. Looking over the recent changes; a lot of contributions seem to be spam or advertising - and there is no apparent strategy to combat this in the future; a critical tenet of the movement is that there is no advertising. --[[User:ErrantX|ErrantX]] ([[User talk:ErrantX|talk]]) 08:49, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: The horrendous spam and advertising is a result of the poor technical support of the current host, Internet Brands. For awhile, there was no CAPTCHA mechanism when signing up for an account; the block tool didn't even work for a few days! A WMF-run site would allow the introduction of bots to prevent obvious spamming, along with a multitude of other basic ideas that IB never bothered with. Plus, there would also be an influx of returning admins (who've voiced their support and interest) to the WMF-run site to help with maintenance and vandalism-removal. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] ([[User talk:JamesA|talk]]) 11:11, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: I presume that by "advertising" you mean spam? The [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Don%27t_tout Don't tout] core policy addresses this head on. The present problem with spam being entered faster than it can be reliably removed is partly because Wikitravel's present owners have managed to drive away most of the active users who used to do the janitorial work, but mostly because they have been extremely slow in implementing any of the countless technical anti-spam measures pioneered by Wikipedia. Shifting to the WMF and simply applying the same filters, bots etc that are used for other WMF wikis would drastically cut down on the problem.<br />
#:: Also, BLP has not been much of an issue on Wikitravel to date, simply because individual living people are virtually never covered by its articles. But as already stated in [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Travel_Guide#Pillars.2Fprinciples the discussion], Wikitravel admins have no objections to applying the policy to the Wikimedia fork. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 11:20, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::Patrolling WT is a nigtmare due to slow speed. This makes getting rid of the advertising more difficult, so in spite of the policy against it it has become more difficult to keep up with the touting. Blaming the editors and admins for this is not particularly fair, and there has been a decline in numbers due to burnout and frustration with the (lack of) support. BLP is pretty much a non-issue, so has never really needed to be addressed. The no-recognizable photos of people rule is probably far more restrictive than the BLP policies on Wikipedia. Adding BLP rules would have about as much impact as forbidding fish the use of bicyles. [[Special:Contributions/41.243.200.45|41.243.200.45]] 18:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# We have enough neglected, inactive projects. Let's focus on what already needs to get done. Our limited resources, in my opinion, could be directed toward more worthwhile endeavors. [[User:Blurpeace|<span style="color:#002BB8;">'''Blurpeace'''</span>]] 17:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: As all of the Wikitravel and Wikivoyage admins would be signing up to the new project, the resources would come right along with them. One of the exciting things I see happening is the rejoining of those two communities, and the return of former invaluable contributors who have been driven off by advertising, poor tech support, and other concerns about hosting and data integrity. They (er..., we) also would become much more involved in helping out with the other WMF projects, especially Commons, which is what I was getting at in mentioning synergies above. Expectations for what tech support looks like are not high, only because the bar has been set so low in the past, and we'd be thrilled just to have the permissions so that skilled members of our community could work on feature development. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 21:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::: There is increased efficiency in volume which is why we see corporations involved in similar businesses merging. A travel guide would hopefully improve our revenue and thus result in better technical support for all projects.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 23:12, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#Wikimedia struggles to maintain most non-Wikipedia sites, such as Wikinews, Wikisource, et al. I cannot see how WMF will manage to make this last much longer than a couple years before the entire structure of a travel wiki fails. [[User:Frood|Frood]] ([[User talk:Frood|talk]]) 23:37, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: I guess I have more faith in the abilities of the WMF than you :-) I think these non Wikipedia sites are having trouble maintaining their communities of editors rather than their infrastructure. And it is the community of editors that makes a site succeed or fail. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 00:24, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: So, by that logic, if somebody were to build a store, and provide basic utilities, customers would go to the store and put their items on a shelf. WMF needs to try to get editors, not just provide the bare necessities of technical stuff. [[User:Frood|Frood]] ([[User talk:Frood|talk]]) 01:42, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::: The Wikimedia movement is the one who needs to get the editors. While the WMF may be able to help with this I do not see it as their primary purpose. The WMF is to keep the lights on. Getting editors is exactly what this proposal is going to accomplish. What we have here is at least another 50 dedicated contributors who wish to join the WM movement. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 01:52, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:::: If a WMF travel site languishes in the future then by all means a discussion should take place about whether it should be transitioned to another hosting provider (after all, the content is open source). However, your opposition (and that of several others here) seems to pre-suppose failure, and given that the project has already survived for nearly a decade it seems that the existing evidence is that it stands an excellent chance of being successful. -- [[User:Wrh2|Wrh2]] ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) 03:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::::: We already have at least 40 people willing to contribute to the English-language version. That makes it a more worthwhile endeavour than a couple hundred small projects. Besides, if it isn't active, we can close it down. Projects are closed all the time around here... Why not even give it a try? [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 04:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: <s>Mild oppose.</s> &nbsp;The Travel Guide strikes me as a great project that's beyond the immediate scope of the WMF; I also have concerns about NPOV and resource allocation. &nbsp; [[User:GChriss|GChriss]] ([[User talk:GChriss|talk]]) 16:55, 9 July 2012 (UTC) <br /> ''Undecided.'' More discussion needed + a revised, comprehensive proposal. &nbsp;I like the idea of a location guide + wikidata. [[User:GChriss|GChriss]] ([[User talk:GChriss|talk]]) 04:58, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::: Additional explanation [[User_talk:GChriss#Open_Meetings|here]]. Sincerely, [[User:GChriss|GChriss]] ([[User talk:GChriss|talk]]) 02:02, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose''' - Against further Wikimedia scope creep and empire building. Wikimedia runs on donations, it's lean enough as it is, and I'm not convinced that the proposed travel vertical would bring in any significant new audience, engagement or revenue for other Wikimedia projects. The argument for would be more convincing if Wikitravel/WikiVoyage came from a position of strength. They don't. The WMF is not in the business of catching falling knives. People donated to keep Wikipedia free, not to bail out/subsidise travel guides.<br />
#: And it's not one wiki fits all, you can't just throw WMF/mediawiki at it and expect it to be a success - just look at wikinews. Travel is so clearly not served by mediawiki software, to get travel right requires mapping, recommendations, localised listings, booking/payment systems. Mediawiki software is so deficient in this regard, and it always will be if its main concern (which it will be) is Wikipedia.<br />
#: There's an argument about commercialisation above, but that's just totally irrelevant. I really couldn't care less that editors would be put off editing a travel guide if it were run by a for-profit enterprise, no one should. Wikia has clearly shown that there are legions of editors out there who would, and it continues to innovate (such as the editing interface) without having to deal with the red tape consensus that plagues WMF projects. Wikipedia doesn't even allow users to sign in with Facebook (due to NPOV/advertising issues I assume) regardless of its benefits, yet Wikia does.<br />
#: In conclusion, Mediawiki will not serve the travel vertical well, and so the audience will remain negligible. A travel project would be better served by a for-profit company which is free to innovate and deliver the features that vertical needs. If the Wikitravel guys had any sense, they'd be cap in hand on Sand Hill Road, not at the WMF's doorstep. And if they can't do it, Wikia should. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnchen]] ([[User talk:Hahnchen|talk]]) 03:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: Wikitravel ''is'' owned and operated by a for-profit company, which has focused for the past 5 years on maximizing ad revenue at the expense of everything else, and the whole reason for the fork is that it's quite demonstrably not working out at all. As for "negligible audience", Google's estimates for Wikitravel traffic in May 2012 are as follows:<br />
#::: Unique visitors (estimated cookies): 4.6M<br />
#::: Unique visitors (users): 2M<br />
#::: Page views 8.3M<br />
#:: By most measures this is larger than all existing WM projects except Wikipedia, Wiktionary and Wikibooks, plus there's an untold number of websites that mirror or remix Wikitravel content (Triposo, Offbeat Guides, you.travel, etc etc). [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 06:42, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::::If the Wikitravel and Wikivoyage editors wanted to edit under Wikia's terms they would already be doing so. Your advocacy lacks understanding of the people involved. We do not want a commecial host, we have been tolerating it for want of something better, It has become almost intolerable, and as a direct result, WT has been losing editors and admins. Your suggest that the donors to WMF would not want the money spent this way, but how many have you asked? I have donated to WMF and I suppoort this proposal. I guess you also donate to WMF and dont support it - that balances us out. The others have not been consulted as far as I know. [[Special:Contributions/41.243.200.45|41.243.200.45]] 18:29, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: Wikitravel was acquired by Internet Brands 5 years ago; advertisements were not even placed on the site for 3 years after that, and have not changed since. Meanwhile over the past year-plus, feature requests have been completed, and an enormous software, hardware, and database upgrade has just finished, resulting in a Wikitravel that is the best it has ever been, by a significant margin. There's daily engagement between the WT administrators and IB technical and community support teams.<br />
#: It's unfortunate that the timing of this upgrade coincided with the WMF fork proposal, which was first made two months after the upgrade began; this has resulted in a number of "support" votes that are based on outdated information about the site's technical capabilities. It's simply a different situation now, and presumably the WMF board will take this into consideration. Thank you.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 18:49, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: The advertisements have changed since their introduction. I took the lead personally in pushing for a durable consensus to introduce Google text ads, as we hoped that ad revenue might lead to an interest on the part of IB to take tech support and feature development seriously. That engagement did not happen, and IB unilaterally, overnight, without any advance notice or discussion introduced image ads, which remain in violation of our advertising policy. IB maintains plans to introduce further commercialization over community objection. Even the ads that the community have approved have turned away would-be contributors uncomfortable with the for-profit status of Wikitravel's host.<br />
#::: The clash of a closed, secretive, corporate culture with our open, pro bono publico culture has been nearly as big a problem as neglect and restricted access. This is why we think the WMF is a much better fit, as we share the same ethos as the various Wikimedia projects—indeed, our project was inspired by them and directly modeled after them. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 19:56, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} A travel Wiki would be an open forum for promotion of commercial interests (spam) personal opinions (POV), and as such, would be impossible to police as the commercial interests of travel and hospitality sector would likely to conflict with the non-commercial mission of the Wikimedia Foundation. There is already an going conflict between these interests in Wikipedia, where there is an ongoing debate on whether topics or content should be allowed to be added on the basis of "notability" (where significant coverage from reliable secondary sources is required) or some other inclusion criteria, such as the desire to provide a comprehensive coverage of every single aspect of human existence (such as the travel). Limiting the inclusion of topics and content on the basis of notability has the effect of excluding content that is purpose is purely to promote a political, commercial or personal interest, whereas it is not possible to exclude promotional content such as spam or private fueds about hotel service if the criteria for inclusion are not objective enough to be applied in consistent way that results in balanced coverage. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin.collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 14:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Wikipedia and its sister projects like Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Commons and so on (except of Wikispecies, which I don't support either) are not dedicated to one single field, but rather are different ''forms'' of presenting knowledge about various topics. To me, this integrative aspect seems to be crucial for Wikipedia and its sister projects. With establishing a travel wiki this strategy will be abandoned. This probably will give rise to a lot of other topic-related wikis under the umbrella of Wikimedia. Everyone has to judge by himself or herself if this is a desireable way. I don't think so. --[[User:OnkelDagobert|OnkelDagobert]] ([[User talk:OnkelDagobert|talk]]) 09:06, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:I tend to disagree that a WMF travel wiki would be a "topic-related" wiki and not fit in with the Foundation's scope and direction. Although it is true that Wikitravel is about travel, it is not merely a travel encyclopaedia where we have hundreds of articles about travel-related things. The site is designed to provide information to benefit the traveller, and this is done through listing practical information, experiences and listings. This is a unique way to present knowledge, and is different to the thousands of wikis you see on wikifarms like Wikia who simply write all the info they can think of about particular topics or items. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] ([[User talk:JamesA|talk]]) 03:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# Oppose, unless some very stringent rules are put in place to restrict what can be included. A travel guide is inheretently littered with opinion, which wikiprojects have been very bad at handling at. I can see value in making available on a wiki actual travel information: public transport, roads, public healthcare information, locations of government owened tourist information. This is only part of a travel guide. The important parts are opinions on quality of hotels/hostels, restaurants, which are the 'good' sights to see, what are the 'fun' things to do, where to go for drinks, where you can find good private tour operators etc. etc. These are all POV, and - apart from the spam problem it would have - it would also have a large foundation in opinion. Keeping all opinion in sets some serious challenges for what to include and what not to include on a policy level. Leaving it out leaves you with a crippled and virtually useless travel guide, being better served by other sources. This is a project I don't think the foundations knowledge model can accomodate. [[User:Martijn Hoekstra|Martijn Hoekstra]] ([[User talk:Martijn Hoekstra|talk]]) 11:34, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: The model has been successful so far. And WMF already has wikis that don't have an NPOV policy. [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]]) 11:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} for the reasons stated by ''OnkelDagobert''. The proposed project is strongly thematic and belongs to places like Wikia, not Wikimedia. --[[User:Eugrus|eugrus]] ([[User talk:Eugrus|talk]]) 19:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose''' All the Wikimedia projects have a somehow educative, scientific or rational - however you prefer to call it - approach. A travel guide is the opposite of that. Policies like NPOV which are good guidelines for those science-based projects are at least meaningless for a travel guide. The wikimedia projects so far reproduce kind of canonical knowledge, that's why i call it "scientific". A travel guide however ist based on highly personal evaluations of "good", "nice" or whatever leisure-related categories. I really don't seeany affinity between wikitravel/Wikivoyage and the wikimedia projects beyond the technology used. Btw: Anybody remembering the ban of videogame guides from wikibooks? Quite similar to this case i think.--[[User:Wiggum|Wiggum]] ([[User talk:Wiggum|talk]]) 20:19, 17 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:The content of a travel guide is rational. Where a hotel is, how much a hotel costs, and if a hotel is open is all factual content and are the key components to a travel guide. No personal evaluation needed.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 13:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::No it is not. Open a travel guide, you'll have plenty of subjective comments wherever people liked or not the place for different reasons: too dirty or really clean, staff welcoming or not depending of the mood of the traveler, good drinking atmosphere,... When I open a travel guide, I don't want a Encyclopedia with rational stuff, I want advices and tips from people who did travel their on their own.[[User:Kormin|Kormin]] ([[User talk:Kormin|talk]]) 02:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:::Also, which hotel should be chosen if there are many in an area? I can see this potential project as creating so much chaos and argument that the negatives far outweighs the positives. [[User:Sp33dyphil|Sp33dyphil]] ([[User talk:Sp33dyphil|talk]]) 07:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} There is already [[Wikibooks]] for that --<small style="background:#f00">'''★ [[User:Airon90|<span style="color:#000">→ A</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Airon90|<span style="color:#f00;background:#000">ir</span>]][[User talk:Airon90|<span style="color:#000">on Ĉ</span>]]'''</small> 00:49, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:: Given the nature of the proposed content, it would be highly subjective. If it only consisted of hotel names and prices that would be great, but it's not going to happen. Travel opinions will abound and I for one believe that is beyond the scope of Wiki. [[User:FoCuSandLeArN|FoCuSandLeArN]] ([[User talk:FoCuSandLeArN|talk]]) 00:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::: The travel guides are not only hotel lists. The main aim is to help and explain sites for travelers of all kind. See for instance: [http://www.wikivoyage.org/de/Baschandi Bashandi]. Bashandi itself is a really small village unimportant for an encyclopedia (not yet mentioned at any Wikipedia language branch). But we give here a complete explanation of the Greco-Roman tomb chapel which goes fare behind the needs of an encyclopaedia. That's my idea of travel guides. --[[User:RolandUnger|RolandUnger]] ([[User talk:RolandUnger|talk]]) 05:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::::In response to Airon, I believe this has already been discussed; this sort of travel wiki does not fit into Wikibooks at all. WT gives destinations their own articles, whereas Wikibooks attempts to merge them into one big book. We have over 25,000 articles at WT, and it'd be a disaster merging them into Wikibooks. Already, the travel guide genre has proven to not work on Wikibooks; from looking around the site, I can count the travel destination guides on one hand, and they are not structured well at all. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] ([[User talk:JamesA|talk]]) 06:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::::: Don't care: POV opinions/spam is not tolerated in Wikimedia's projects. NPOV Travel guide book should stay in WB (even if there are more than one billlion pages). Leave this project to wiki farms as Wikia (which have a wiki for everything useful and useless) --<small style="background:#f00">'''★ [[User:Airon90|<span style="color:#000">→ A</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Airon90|<span style="color:#f00;background:#000">ir</span>]][[User talk:Airon90|<span style="color:#000">on Ĉ</span>]]'''</small> 11:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC) <br />
#'''Oppose''' Per Ironholds. And as for the argument that it'll get more editors, well, we need to focus on keeping the editors we have right now instead of putting a lot of effort into gaining new ones. --[[User:Kangaroopower|'''<span style="color:#009933;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;">Kangaroo</span>''']][[User Talk:Kangaroopower|'''<span style="color:#000080;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;">powah</span>''']] 01:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Strong Oppose''' Like [[User:Wiggum|Wiggum]] and [[User:FoCuSandLeArN|FoCuSandLeArN]]: a travel guide isn't for educative purpose. A travel guide is ALWAYS subjective, depending on the person who used the service, their experience, the moment they used it, the condition, etc... This project is a good idea, but I do not think it should join Wikimedia projects. --[[User:Kormin|Kormin]] ([[User talk:Kormin|talk]]) 02:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#'''Strong Oppose''' Waste of time and money. Articles will always have an opinion bias, and interest groups will attempt to hijack it. Travel experiences always also depend on the money spent, respectively one intents to spend. Then there is the issue of providing references, ... Not worth the trouble. [[Special:Contributions/121.218.143.50|121.218.143.50]] 05:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose''' I strongly believe that this proposal falls outside of the scope of Wikipedia. Furthermore, absorption of such a project would only bring unnecessary complexity to the foundation. Hence, I am VERY opposed to the "Travel Guide Project". [[User:Ltr,ftw|Ltr,ftw]] ([[User talk:Ltr,ftw|talk]]) 05:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#* Just to be clear, do you mean "outside the scope of Wiki'''''m'''''edia"? Wikipedia's scope is not relevant to this RFC. [[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] ([[User talk:This, that and the other|talk]]) 07:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose''' subjective ([[en:Travel literature]]), too many variables (money spent, services chosen, weather), plus, as mentioned above, biased groups will surely attempt to promote their products and/or services. Also mentioned by Blurpeace, let's channel all the funds into some of our inactive projects. [[User:Sp33dyphil|Sp33dyphil]] ([[User talk:Sp33dyphil|talk]]) 07:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose''' No open doors for promotion of commercial interests and personal opinions (POV), no support for tourism, which is simply a branch of economic activity not interested very much in the locals. Wikimedia is a means of education. - All in all contradictory to our aims, which hopefully are still the same. Admin and author, german Wikipedia, --[[User:Hans-Jürgen Hübner|Hans-Jürgen Hübner]] ([[User talk:Hans-Jürgen Hübner|talk]]) 07:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose''' I just oppose for setting up any new project now, even the wikipedia project isn't active enough. In Chinese, a word called "heat for three minutes" (meaning brief period of enthusiasm).--[[User:Wangxuan8331800|Wangxuan8331800]] ([[User talk:Wangxuan8331800|talk]]) 08:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose''' I don't think a travel guide is within the scope of the Wikimedia project; also I think the efforts ought to go towards other stuff nowadays. Also I'm worried about neutral POV. Finally, I agree with a comment above: "Wikimedia is a means of education" - Wikitravel is not.--[[User:Arnaugir|Arnaugir]] ([[User talk:Arnaugir|talk]]) 08:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose'''. Per Hans-Jürgen Hübner. [[User:Bibi Saint-Pol|Bibi Saint-Pol]] ([[User talk:Bibi Saint-Pol|talk]]) 09:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} As a casual user I found Wikitravel most helpful when I needed it and therefore oppose any website infringing on its terrain. It's a point of not fragmenting knowledge across the web. --User:BjKa@Wikipedia-en/de 09:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose''' - My feeling is that such a project is out of the wikimedia philosophy. Its relevance would be to remove promotional content to WP articles. But in my humble opinion, it would be more valuable to link relevant content (educational ones like small places, monument, etc) from the WikiData project (which was launched some weeks ago by the german WP IIUC ?) in each WP article ...... [[User:Genium|Genium]] ([[User talk:Genium|talk]]) 09:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} All the Wikimedia projects, at least in theory, are educational and neutral. Once we start writing tour guides, we're explicitly making ourselves a repository for the value-judgements of anyone who happens to come by, quite aside from the spam implications. To be frank, this proposal looks like English Wikipedia trying to create a fresh dumping ground for their problem editors, now that Wikiversity and Simple English Wikipedia have finally begun refusing to act as en-wiki's penal colony. [[User:Mogism|Mogism]] ([[User talk:Mogism|talk]]) 10:22, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# ({{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}}) '''Very strong Oppose''' Wikimedia is a non-profit-organisation. Each person, which will travel round the world, in a country, is able to look into WP and will get all informations, which is needed. Wikimedia is to give informations into the project-sites. More than only travel-informations. [[User:Zabia|Zabia]] ([[User talk:Zabia|talk]]) 10:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} As has been stated many times above, a travel guide is always going to be a collection of subjective viewpoints. Putting aside the issue that this would lend the authoritative weight of Wikimedia to the viewpoints put forth, the very nature of the subjectivity would undoubtedly cause much heated debate as to each entries content and validity. Entries would be constantly edited to remove contentious opinions, which would undoubtedly harm the reputation of Wikimedia as reliable reference source. [[User:Jim0thy|Jim0thy]] ([[User talk:Jim0thy|talk]]) 11:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
##'''Agree''': What if a place wants to be in the routine? If I add my home in the Beijing Travel Guide, will wikitravel accept that? --[[User:王小朋友|王小朋友]] ([[User talk:王小朋友|talk]]) 12:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}}: Wikimedia should concentrate on more educational projects. Don't be like MS and Google. They tried to occupy every eara. Now Google is deleting it project and try to concentrate on search and social metworks. Entertainment, like Travel, is a Wikia thing. Rather than Travel Guide, I will support if wikimedia import more educational projects like [http://rationalwiki.org rationalwiki]. (I don't mean science. Religous wikis are OK.) But if Travel Guide is established, I will take part in too.--[[User:王小朋友|王小朋友]] ([[User talk:王小朋友|talk]]) 12:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Waste of time and money. [[User:SallesNeto BR|SallesNeto BR]] ([[User talk:SallesNeto BR|talk]]) 12:36, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} No comercial support in WP. Why we shold help traval & tourism? Their are already many platform within the www. --[[Special:Contributions/194.113.59.80|194.113.59.80]] 12:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Waste of money.--[[User:TheAnnoymousUser|TheAnnoymousUser]] ([[User talk:TheAnnoymousUser|talk]]) 13:10, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Bad idea, difficult to implement. We will face a lot of spam and we will have to dedicate resources to a failing project.--[[User:Louisbeta|Louisbeta]] ([[User talk:Louisbeta|talk]]) 13:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} At first sight, it looked a marvelous idea to me. But WikiTravel gives only a very restricted choice of adresses etc. and therefore adresses chosen are publicity. If the choice means a judgment of quality, that is also not for encyclopedia wikipedia. And what is good today, is bad tomorrow. Or does wikipedia want to turn commercial? --[[User:Havang(nl)|Havang(nl)]] ([[User talk:Havang(nl)|talk]]) 14:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 15:45, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}}, for the same reasons as all the other opponents. Wikitravel is perfect enough. Why can't anybody '''''ignore''''' the ads? And besides, Wikitravel can get rid of it's own spam, but good editors leaving the site just exacerbates the spamfest. Wikitravelers who want to leave, leave. I don't care. I think this project is going to be a problem. I may be wrong, though. (Note: I am Wikipedia contributor Hillcrest98) [[Special:Contributions/174.95.254.215|174.95.254.215]] 15:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:Yes however this is an opportunity to bring Wikivoyage and Wikitravel editors back together and improve the non commercial philosophy of the editing community. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 16:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#::In point of fact, nobody even needs to ignore the small number of advertisements on Wikitravel; since the moment they were added to the site a few years ago, a user preference "Do not show ad column" has been available to all users. You can just turn the ads off and you will never see them.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 21:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} I think the WMF could over-stretch itself with this. [[User:Cloudbound|Cloudbound]] ([[User talk:Cloudbound|talk]]) 17:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Why is this even being debated? This is outside the [[Mission statement|mission statement of the WMF]] to "develop educational content". A Travel Guide will fundamentally involve the organization and processing of opinionated statements. [[User:Jason Quinn|Jason Quinn]] ([[User talk:Jason Quinn|talk]]) 18:22, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} In my opinion a travel-project doesn´t fit with WMF / Also this project opens doors to advertisment / It cannot be objective. [[User:Bodhi-Baum|Bodhi-Baum]] ([[User talk:Bodhi-Baum|talk]]) 18:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# Yes, let's try to become the only site on the 'net! - [[User:Nabla|Nabla]] ([[User talk:Nabla|talk]]) 19:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose''' Besides the already mentioned problems ("Out of wikimedia's educational scope", "May lead to fragmentation", "Costs too much ressources") of the previous opponents I think that Wikipedia contains already far more touristical information than the two "old" wikis Wikivoyage and Wikitravel - and IMHO also more information that the new wiki will ever have. <br />
#::Wikitravel english version has currently 26'000 articles, German wikivoyage (the largest language version there) has 12'000 articles. For comparison, if you search in en:wikipedia for tourism, you get 45'000 hits ("Tourism in Israel", "Ecotourism", "Climbing", "Tourism in metropolitan Detroit" are some of the top 50 hits).<br />
#::Most of the articles in both wikivoyage and wikitravel seem to be places (countries to towns). Quite many of these containing only a table of contents or general information which can also be found in wikipedia. For comparison: en:wikipedia contains alone 140'000 articles about cities (tool "categorycount" on category "cities by country" with search depth 4). Even if you count only every fourth article (to exclude double entries and touristically irrelevant cities) you would have more articles than wikitravel with all its additional articles about counties and countries. <br> And the wikipedia articles are often already quite useful for planning a vacation. For example I used it for planning a trip to London. In wikipedia you find the climate diagram, information about how far the airports are from the city centre and how to get from there to the centre, as well as information about when the Birmingham Palace is open to the public.<br />
#::So either the new Travelguide wiki would copy all this information (and every future change would have to be done twice: in wikipedia and travelguide). Or you try to separate the content - touristically relevant information in travelguide, other information in wikipedia. But how would you define "touristically relevant" and how would you enforce wikipedia editors to not enter "touristically relevant" information?<br />
#::And even if you decide that travelguide shall only contain information that is irrelevant for wikipedia, it won't work. For example if you decide to turn travelguide in a hotel database, it is hard to offer more entries than commercial sites. For comparison: wikivoyage has information about 10 hotels in London with one rating per hotel. booking.com has 1000 hotels in London with more than 100 ratings per hotel. <br />
#::So the main question is what travelguide really should become and how it will differ from wikipedia and its city articles on the one side and commerical rating sites / hotel databases on the other side. I think between these two poles there is only few space for project travelguide. <br />
#::A first step could be to create a special wikibook ("Travelguide to England" or an equivalent to "1000 places to see before you die") to get a feeling for the complexity of creating a free travelguide for the whole world in more than 10 languages. --[[User:Torsch|Torsch]] ([[User talk:Torsch|talk]]) 19:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# Travel guides? Aren't they all about personal preferences and tastes? The Wikipedia can strive for functionality since its ideals would be stripping the contributors off their irrational likes and dislikes. Travel guides wouldn't. The point of a travel guide is deciding someone else's course of action. Such project begs for being overtaken by some segregated group of pov-pushers, by definition. [[Special:Contributions/128.72.151.88|128.72.151.88]] 20:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<sup>this comment was written by [[:ru:Участник:Легат Ская]]</sup><br />
#:No, they are not "all about personal preferences and tastes" There may be some content that is personal preference or taste, but most of WT and WV is factual, though often not citable, as there is a considerable amount of original research, which is not allowed on WP, but is allowed on some wikimedia projects. The point of WT and WV is to provide information to allow the traveller to make their own informed choices. That is the whole point of this proposed project. [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 10:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#Per reasons outlined above, just doesn't seem like it would work. Things about scope are more iffy, but without the resources to support existing projects effectively, adding another is a pile of unfortunateness waiting to happen. -— [[User:Isarra|Isarra]] [[User talk:Isarra|༆]] 20:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Very strong oppose/Tre forta kontraŭstaro''': It is better to integrate the travel information into the existing Wikipedia than to use ressources for a new mostly redundant project/vojaĝinformojn en la ekzistantan vikipedion ol foruzi energion kaj fortan por nova plejparte redundanta projekto![[User:DidiWeidmann|DidiWeidmann]] ([[User talk:DidiWeidmann|talk]]) 20:45, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:Much of the most valuable travel information can not be integrated into Wikipedia as it is in conflict with No Original Research. Original research is vital for a travel guide, otherwise it will always be out of date. [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 10:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# ''Oppose'' Empires fall when they extend their reach further than they can handle. [[User:WikiEditor709|WikiEditor709]] ([[User talk:WikiEditor709|talk]]) 00:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:By that logic, we're already extended too far (take a look at hundreds of inactive projects), so we might as well take on an active project which would only further Wikimedia's readership. It also really doesn't take much resource-wise to run a wiki... The big issue is editors, and we have plenty of those planning to join. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 00:14, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose'''. A travel guide would not fit well at all as a Wikimedia project. Adding this would eliminate boundaries to what could become a Wikimedia project. Right now we have a reasonable number of projects dealing with large categories of education content. (Okay, we also have Wikispecies, but I think it's a reasonable expectation that that will be merged with Wikidata or something at some point.) A travel guide would simply be a collection of opinions about a small area of knowledge, unlike the other Wikimedia projects. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 22:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: Have you actually looked at the content of the better travel guide articles? [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 10:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose'''. Wikipedia has enough problems keeping the main site running. And why should I donate money to help tourists? I would support it if it would finance itself, but not if it's based on donations like Wikipedia now! --[[User:Newsflash|Newsflash]] ([[User talk:Newsflash|talk]]) 22:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose''' : from France ==> Wikipedia est une encyclopédie ! Pourquoi en faire un guide de voyage ? C'est ridicule ! [[User:Sg7438|Sg7438]] ([[User talk:Sg7438|talk]]) 07:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#: Il ne s'agit pas de Wikipédia. Le but de e vote est d'ajouter un nouveau projet soutenu par la fondation Wikimédia. On aurait ainsi Wikivoyage à ôté de Wikipédia, du Wiktionnaire, de la Wikiversité, de Wikinews, ... [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 08:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''oppose''': there is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage Wikivoyage] with a free license. --[[User:Dktz|Dktz]] ([[User talk:Dktz|talk]]) 08:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:The Wikivoyage people decided that they want to join Wikimedia. So all existing Wikivoyage content as well as the community would be part of this new project - it might be even named Wikivoyage. -- [[User:Akl|Arne (akl)]] ([[User talk:Akl|talk]]) 09:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose'''. I think that a new project should not be created unless the answers to these questions are "Yes": Is there already some content which will be moved to the new project? Does the Wikimedia Foundation already own the domain where the different language editions will be located? (In this case the answer to the last question is certainly "No" because the name of this Travel Guide is still under discussion.) For example, Wikijunior (a collection of textbooks for children until the age of 12) might be created right now because there is already some content for it (see [[wikibooks:Wikijunior|here]] for the English language, but also note all the interwikis) and because the Wikimedia Foundation seems to own the domain [http://www.wikijunior.org wikijunior.org].--[[User:Erasmo Barresi|Erasmo Barresi]] ([[User talk:Erasmo Barresi|talk]]) 09:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#:In answer to your questions: <br />
#::Yes there is already some Wikipedia content which would fit better in a travel guide. Why is this relevant? There is also a very large amount of information available from other travel guides which is far more relevant.<br />
#::Several possible domain names are already owned, but why is this relevant? <br />
#::What has this proposal to do with other possible proposals? All should be judges on their own merits.[[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 10:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# '''<s>Oppose<s> Very strong oppose''': Undoubtedly is an awesome project. But visibly the Wikimedia hasn't a clear plan to improve, and even to think of improvements to other projects outside Wikipedia<ref name="test">this can be confirmed [http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF_StrategicPlan2011_spreads.pdf here], where the name Wikipedia is quoted several times while the other projects are rarely mentioned.</ref> (with the exception of commons which has direct link to wikipedia). Wikimedia is good at creating a free encyclopedia, but was not successful in other segments which was proposed. If keep a multilingual project is summarized just to give some money to maintain the servers, leaving the rest with the editors and continue thinking about improvements only for Wikipedia. So no, thanks. And this election is rhetorical, because who does not know the stance of wikimedia when it comes to think of improvements for projects not related to Wikipedia(wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikinews, wikivercity, Wikiquote etc) will vote positive, then this is already a question answered. --[[User:Raylton P. Sousa|Raylton P. Sousa]] ([[User talk:Raylton P. Sousa|talk]]) 13:23, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}}: At first I voted for the Travel Guide, but after a deeper look into the topic, I have decided to change my mind. I guess the plans are creating a new W'media site, which would use economical and technical resources. Given the World's economy, I do not think W'media should spend money on that when, if we/they want, it is possible to dump Wikitravel's information into W'pedia. Wikimedians also should look for their/our interests, Wikipedia already hosts far more tourist info than Wikitravel. If I look for Wikitravel page about my city, I can only find a Tourist's Yellow Pages. Given the fact that both licenses are nearly the same, I think Wikitravellers should just dump missing yet adequate and relevant information into the different Wikipedia language editions. I think that would make everyone happy. --[[User:Schumi4ever|Schumi4ever]] ([[User talk:Schumi4ever|talk]]) 13:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
#{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Users must improve their articles, not a new travel guide. --[[User:Nightfly85|Nightfly85]] ([[User talk:Nightfly85|talk]]) 13:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose''': Out of the scope of the Foundation, imho. [[User:Pymouss|Pymouss]] <small>[[User Talk:Pymouss|Tchatcher]]</small> - 16:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] [[User:Paradoctor|Paradoctor]] 01:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] [[User:Wim b|Wim b]] 02:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] A very good logo, words are built by letters. The book on the left is too expressionless. [[User:Cadfaell|Cadfaell]] 06:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] This one is nice but the current one is really good. {{unsigned|Jahnavi7}}<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Not anglocentric as the left one, therefore suitable for various language editions of Wiktionary. [[User:Bogorm|Bogorm]] 08:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Much better than the left one. Logo with gradient fill would be difficult to print on mugs, T-shirts, etc. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] 09:23, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] [[User:Tvdm|Tvdm]] 09:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|OosWesThoesBes]] 09:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] -- [[User:Isaac Mansur|Isaac Mansur]] 10:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] --[[User:ValJor|ValJor]] 10:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC). I'm amazed that ''anyone'' could prefer the one on the left!<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] [[User:Manoel-Rio|Manoel-Rio]] 10:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] --[[User:Kibira|<span style="color:#C00060"><u><tt>'''K'''</tt></u></span>]][[Discussion user:Kibira|<span style="color:#E00000"><u><tt>ibira</tt></u></span>]] 11:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] -- [[User:AKA MBG|AKA MBG]] 11:52, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] The other logo is nice, but has too many grey shades and the "big idea" is not very easy to distinguish from distance, let alone scaled down. This one has more contrast and works in small scale too. I really like the concept. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 12:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary/logo/refresh/voting/tally2&diff=1786123Wiktionary/logo/refresh/voting/tally22010-01-01T12:08:03Z<p>Wwwwolf: </p>
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# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] [[User:Paradoctor|Paradoctor]] 01:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] [[User:Wim b|Wim b]] 02:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] A very good logo, words are built by letters. The book on the left is too expressionless. [[User:Cadfaell|Cadfaell]] 06:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] This one is nice but the current one is really good. {{unsigned|Jahnavi7}}<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Not anglocentric as the left one, therefore suitable for various language editions of Wiktionary. [[User:Bogorm|Bogorm]] 08:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Much better than the left one. Logo with gradient fill would be difficult to print on mugs, T-shirts, etc. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] 09:23, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] [[User:Tvdm|Tvdm]] 09:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|OosWesThoesBes]] 09:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] -- [[User:Isaac Mansur|Isaac Mansur]] 10:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] --[[User:ValJor|ValJor]] 10:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC). I'm amazed that ''anyone'' could prefer the one on the left!<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] [[User:Manoel-Rio|Manoel-Rio]] 10:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] --[[User:Kibira|<span style="color:#C00060"><u><tt>'''K'''</tt></u></span>]][[Discussion user:Kibira|<span style="color:#E00000"><u><tt>ibira</tt></u></span>]] 11:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] -- [[User:AKA MBG|AKA MBG]] 11:52, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
# [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] -- The other logo is nice, but has too many grey shades and the "big idea" is not very easy to distinguish from distance, let alone scaled down. This one has more contrast and works in small scale too. I really like the concept. ''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 12:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary/logo/refresh/voting/tally&diff=1785157Wiktionary/logo/refresh/voting/tally2009-12-31T12:26:41Z<p>Wwwwolf: </p>
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! [[User:Waldir|Waldir]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Waldir|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Eusbarbosa|Eusbarbosa]]<br />
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| [[wikt:pt:Special:Contributions/Eusbarbosa|pt]]<br />
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! [[User:Nihiltres|Nihiltres]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Moez|Moez ]] <sup>[[user talk:Moez|''talk'']]</sup><br />
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| [[wikt:fr:Special:Contributions/Moez|fr]]<br />
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! [[User:Acer11|Acer11]]<br />
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! [[User:Gdgourou|Gdgourou]]<br />
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! [[User:Szyx|Szyx]]<br />
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! [[User:Tempodivalse|Tempodivalse]]<br />
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! [[User:Kernitou|Kernitou]]<br />
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! [[User:Hégésippe Cormier|Hégésippe Cormier]]<br />
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! [[User:Yarl|Yarl]]<br />
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! [[User:Kaltwach|Kaltwach]]<br />
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! &mdash;[[User:msh210|msh210]]<span class="Unicode" style="font-family:{{Unicode fonts}}; font-family /**/:inherit;">&#x2120;</span><br />
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! [[User:Spacebirdy|<font color="black">birdy</font> <small style="color:gray">geimfyglið</small>]] [[User talk:Spacebirdy|<sub style="color:teal">(:>&nbsp;)=|</sub>]]<br />
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! [[User:VonTasha|VonTasha]]<br />
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! [[User:Jesielt|Jesielt]]<br />
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! -- '''[[User:Internoob|Internoob]]''' ([[wiktionary:User:Internoob|Wikt.]] | [[User talk:Internoob|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Internoob|Cont.]])<br />
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! [[User:Samwb123|Samwb123]]<br />
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! [[User:Valley2city|<b><span style="background: blue; color: white;"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Valley</font></span></b>]]2[[User talk:Valley2city|<b><span style="background: skyblue; color:white;">city</span></b><sup>‽</sup>]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Valley2city|en]]<br />
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! [[:en:User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[:en:User talk:HereToHelp|talk]])<br />
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! [[User:Amorim Parga|Amorim Parga]]<br />
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! [[User:LaFolleCycliste|LaFolleCycliste]]<br />
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! [[User:Razorflame|<b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b>]][[User talk:Razorflame|<b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b>]]<br />
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! [[User:SimpleBeep|SimpleBeep]]<br />
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! [[User:Danilo Andres Ramirez|Danilo Andres Ramirez]]<br />
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! [[User:Amorymeltzer|Amorymeltzer]]<br />
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! [[User:Bellayet|Bellayet]]<br />
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! [[User:Retro00064|Retro00064]]<br />
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! [[User:Afc0703|Afc0703]]<br />
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! [[User:SeanR|SeanR]]<br />
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! [[User:Béotien lambda|Béotien lambda]]<br />
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! [[User:tpa2067|tpa2067]]<br />
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! [[User:LERK|LERK]]<br />
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! [[User:Balû|Balû]]<br />
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| [[wikt:de:Special:Contributions/Balû|de]]<br />
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! [[User:Einhanderkiller|Einhanderkiller]]<br />
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! [[User:Arkanosis|Arkanosis]]<br />
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! [[User:Carsrac|Carsrac]]<br />
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! [[User:Chstdu|Chstdu]]<br />
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! [[User:Einstein2|Einstein2]]<br />
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| [[wikt:hu:Special:Contributions/Einstein2|hu]]<br />
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! [[User:Sissssou|Sissssou]]<br />
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| 3,59<br />
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! [[User:Markadet|Markadet]]<br />
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! [[User:Grenadine|Grenadine]]<br />
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| 13:11, 8 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[Special:Contributions/Dodoïste|Dodoïste]]<br />
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! [[User:EvanKroske|EvanKroske]]<br />
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! [[User:Pyerre|Pyerre]]<br />
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! [[User:Skippy le Grand Gourou|Skippy le Grand Gourou]]<br />
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| [[wikt:fr:Special:Contributions/Skippy le Grand Gourou|fr]]<br />
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! [[User:David Nemati|David Nemati]]<br />
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! [[User:Hamtechperson|Hamtechperson]]<br />
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! [[User:CMBJ|CMBJ]]<br />
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! [[User:Anypodetos|Anypodetos]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Anypodetos|en]]<br />
| 17:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[User:Soeb|Soeb]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Soeb|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Soeb|contribs]]</sup><br />
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! [[User:Mirek2|Mirek2]]<br />
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! [[User:Daedalus-prime|Daedalus-prime]]<br />
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! [[User:V85|V85]]<br />
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! [[User:Kevang|Kevang]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Kevang|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Slizekalfer|Slizekalfer]]<br />
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! [[User:Mephiles602|Mephiles602]]<br />
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! [[User:Krystoffer|Krystoffer]]<br />
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! [[User:Stephane8888|Stephane8888]]<br />
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! [[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]]<br />
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! [[User:Johann Wolfgang|Johann Wolfgang]]<br />
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! [[User:Ludmiła Pilecka|Ludmiła Pilecka]]<br />
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! [[User:Vearthy|Vearthy]]<br />
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! [[User:Grinchilla|Grinchilla]]<br />
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! [[User:Mikimik|Mikimik]]<br />
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! [[User:Braidcutter|Braidcutter]]<br />
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! [[User:Olaf|Olaf]]<br />
| 2<br />
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| [[wikt:pl:Special:Contributions/Olaf|pl]]<br />
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! [[:en:User:JB82|JB82]] ([[:en:User talk:JB82|talk]])<br />
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! [[User:Hydreptsi|Hydreptsi]]<br />
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! [[User:Jklamo|Jklamo]]<br />
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! [[User:S3xk1t10| S3xk1t10]]<br />
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! [[User:Jyril|Jyril]]<br />
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! [[User:Caladein|Caladein]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Caladein|en]]<br />
| 08:23, 9 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[:ru:User:Infovarius|User:Infovarius]] ([[:ru:Обсуждение участника:Infovarius|talk]])<br />
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! [[User:Darolew|Darolew]]<br />
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! [[User:Irodori|Irodori]]<br />
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! [[User:Piano|Piano]]<br />
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! [[User:Bogorm|Bogorm]]<br />
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! [[User:Kess|Kess]]<br />
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! [[User:Jonathan Webley|Jonathan Webley]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Opiaterein|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Dvdrtrgn|Dvdrtrgn]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Dvdrtrgn|en]]<br />
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| [[wikt:pl:Special:Contributions/PiotrekSzwecja|pl]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Wang.Yi|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Funkycatdogfish|Funkycatdogfish]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Funkycatdogfish|en]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/WilliamKF|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Circeus|Circeus]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Circeus|en]]<br />
| 05:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[User:Sergey kudryavtsev|Sergey kudryavtsev]]<br />
| 8<br />
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| [[wikt:ru:Special:Contributions/Sergey kudryavtsev|ru]]<br />
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! [[User:Thv|Thv]]<br />
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| [[wikt:fi:Special:Contributions/Thv|fi]]<br />
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! [[:en:User:OwenBlacker|OwenBlacker]] ([[:en:User talk:OwenBlacker|Talk]])<br />
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| [[wikt:LANG:Special:Contributions/OwenBlacker|LANG]]<br />
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! [[User:Ptcamn|Ptcamn]]<br />
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| [[wikt:fr:Special:Contributions/Darkdadaah|fr]]<br />
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! [[User:MathiasRav|MathiasRav]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/MathiasRav|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Ms2ger|Ms2ger]]<br />
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! [[User:Ysangkok|ysangkok]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Ysangkok|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Cybercobra|Cybercobra]]<br />
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! [[User:Cdhaptomos|Cdhaptomos]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/BirdValiant|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Elleff Groom|Elleff Groom]]<br />
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! [[User:Qyb|Qyb]]<br />
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| [[wikt:nl:Special:Contributions/Qyb|nl]]<br />
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! [[User:Altenmann|Altenmann]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Altenmann|en]]<br />
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! [[User:QuicksilverJohny|QuicksilverJohny]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/QuicksilverJohny|en]]<br />
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! <span style="font: 13pt 'Arial';">«</span>&nbsp;'''[[User:dtrebbien|D.&nbsp;Trebbien]]&nbsp;([[User talk:dtrebbien|<span style="color: black;">talk</span>]])'''<br />
| 59<br />
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! [[User:Stepro|Stepro]]<br />
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! [[User:Daniellef99|Daniellef99]]<br />
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! [[User:ImPerfection|ImPerfection]]<br />
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! [[User:Waiwai933|Waiwai933]]<br />
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| 59,47,20,52,55<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Waiwai933|en]]<br />
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| 4,5,14,15,18,27,28,31,30,29,54,51,44,52,60,61<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/RedWordSmith|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Bobertoq|Bobertoq]]<br />
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! [[User:Richard416282|Richard416282]]<br />
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! [[User:Acf|Acf]]<br />
| 1<br />
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| [[wikt:de:Special:Contributions/Acf|de]]<br />
| 07:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[Special:Contributions/Manoel-Rio|Manoel-Rio]]<br />
|43<br />
|2, 10<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Manoel-Rio|pt]]<br />
| 11:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[wikt:User:Krun|User:Krun]] ([[:wikt:User talk:Krun|talk]])<br />
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! [[User:Romaine|Romaine]]<br />
| 1<br />
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! [[User:334a|334a]]<br />
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! [[User:Pharamp|Pharamp]]<br />
| 59<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Pharamp|en]]<br />
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! --[[User:Pill|Pill]] ([[User talk:Pill|talk]])<br />
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| [[wikt:de:Special:Contributions/Pill|de]]<br />
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|-<br />
! <b style="color:#0B0080">[[User:Ephemeron|Ephemeron]]</b><br />
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| 27, 28, 51<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Ephemeron|en]]<br />
| 19:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Rabidharpist|Rabidharpist]]<br />
| 1<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Rabidharpist|en]]<br />
| 20:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Rashaln|Rashaln]]<br />
| 2<br />
| 59,30,44<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Rashaln|en]]<br />
| 20:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Bcorr|BCorr]]<font color="chartreuse">|</font>[[User talk:Bcorr|Брайен]]<br />
| 14<br />
| 52,8<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Bcorr|en]]<br />
| 22:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Visviva|Visviva]]<br />
| 30<br />
| 33,53<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Visviva|en]]<br />
| 02:37, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Jamesjiao|Jamesjiao]]<br />
| 1<br />
| 47, 59<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Jamesjiao|en]]<br />
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! [[User:CF84|CF84]]<br />
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| 03:43, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:FXC|FXC]]<br />
| 59<br />
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! [[User:Logan|Logan]]<br />
| 59<br />
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! [[User:Dijan|Dijan]]<br />
| 1<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Dijan|en]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Mutante|Mutante]]<br />
| 28<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Mutante|en]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Timeastor|Timeastor]]<br />
| 5<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Timeastor|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Jérôme|Jérôme]]<br />
| 24<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Jona|Jona]]<br />
| 51<br />
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| [[wikt:fr:Special:Contributions/Jona|fr]]<br />
| 15:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:ModernEleatic|ModernEleatic]]<br />
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| 3,44,1,30,2<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/ModernEleatic|en]]<br />
| 15:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:MorganLvr|MorganLvr]]<br />
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! [[User:TMaster150|TMaster150]]<br />
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| [[wikt:nl:Special:Contributions/TMaster150|nl]]<br />
| 18:01, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Konsgn|Konsgn]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Gustavb|Gustavb]]<br />
| 15<br />
| 28,8,14,52,16<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Gustavb|en]]<br />
| 18:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Uniquely Fabricated|Uniquely Fabricated]]<br />
| 46<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Uniquely Fabricated|en]]<br />
| 18:43, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! '''[[User:Super Sam|<font color=blue>Super</font>]] [[User talk:Super Sam|<font color=green>Sam</font>]]'''<br />
| 46<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Super Sam|en]]<br />
| 18:45, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Sonnejw0|Sonnejw0]]<br />
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| 8,44,59<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Sonnejw0|en]]<br />
| 19:00, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:CKyle22|CKyle22]]<br />
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! [[User:WATP|WATP]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/WATP|en]]<br />
| 19:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Jagro|Jagro]]<br />
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| 6, 8<br />
| [[wikt:cs:Special:Contributions/Jagro|cs]]<br />
| 21:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Deilbh|Deilbh]]<br />
| 5<br />
| 39, 14, 24<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Deilbh|en]]<br />
| 22:33, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[User:ReCover|ReCover]]<br />
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| 8<br />
| [[wikt:sv:Special:Contributions/ReCover|sv]]<br />
| 22:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Paradoctor]]<br />
| 8<br />
| 8<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Paradoctor|en]]<br />
| 23:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:The spesh man|The spesh man]]<br />
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| 1, 25, 62<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/The spesh man|en]]<br />
| 23:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[User:MrSomeone|MrSomeone]]<br />
| 52<br />
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| 04:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:LordAmeth|LordAmeth]]<br />
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| 50, 59, 8<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/LordAmeth|en]]<br />
| 07:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Pmlineditor|Pmlineditor]]<br />
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| [[wikt:simple:Special:Contributions/Pmlineditor|simple]]<br />
| 08:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:IGEL|IGEL]]<br />
| 31<br />
| 59,18,15<br />
| [[wikt:de:Special:Contributions/IGEL|de]]<br />
| 10:35, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:George Shuklin|George Shuklin]]<br />
| 20<br />
| 8,15,14,53,30<br />
| [[wikt:RU:Special:Contributions/George Shuklin|RU]]<br />
| 11:13, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Matthiasb|Matthiasb]]<br />
| 6<br />
| 55, 24<br />
| [[wikt:de:Special:Contributions/Matthiasb|de]]<br />
| 11:33, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[User:Rovdyr|Rovdyr]]<br />
| 20<br />
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| [[wikt:pl:Special:Contributions/Rovdyr|pl]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Thrissel|Thrissel]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Thrissel|en]]<br />
| 13:07, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:afa86|afa86]]<br />
| 8<br />
| 59,31,3<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/afa86|en]]<br />
| 10:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Slomox|::Slomox::]] [[User talk:Slomox|&gt;&lt;]]<br />
| 1<br />
| 3, 59<br />
| [[wikt:nds:Special:Contributions/Slomox|nds]]<br />
| 13:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[Utente:Kibira|<span style="color:#C00060"><u><tt>'''K'''</tt></u></span>]][[Discussioni utente:Kibira|<span style="color:#E00000"><u><tt>ibira</tt></u></span>]]<br />
| 1<br />
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| [[wikt:it:Special:Contributions/Kibira|it]]<br />
| 14:22, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[User:Colfulus|Colfulus]]<br />
| 27<br />
| 24, 28, 31, 39, 42, 44, 51<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Colfulus|en]]<br />
| 15:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:GreyCat|GreyCat]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/GreyCat|en]]<br />
| 16:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[User:Mlpearc|Mlpearc]]<br />
| 1<br />
| 2,22,30<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Mlpearc|en]]<br />
| 17:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:FergusRossFerrier|FergusRossFerrier]]<br />
| 37<br />
| 44, 59, 30<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/FergusRossFerrier|en]]<br />
| 19:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[User:Trap The Drum Wonder|Trap The Drum Wonder]]<br />
| 44<br />
| 59, 30<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Trap The Drum Wonder|en]]<br />
| 20:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Onix GCI|Onix GCI]]<br />
| 1<br />
| 8, 59<br />
| [[wikt:ru:Special:Contributions/Onix GCI|ru]]<br />
| 20:21, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Crux|Crux]]<br />
| 15<br />
| 19, 14, 6, 41<br />
| [[wikt:de:Special:Contributions/Crux|de]]<br />
| 20:53, 13 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:ReubenGarrett|ReubenGarrett]]<br />
| 59<br />
| 8, 38<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/ReubenGarrett|en]]<br />
| 01:52, 14 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Dodde|Dodde]]<br />
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| 4, 15, 18, 59<br />
| [[wikt:sv:Special:Contributions/Dodde|sv]]<br />
| 07:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Vriullop|Vriullop]]<br />
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| [[wikt:ca:Special:Contributions/Vriullop|ca]]<br />
| 10:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[User:Imz|Imz]]<br />
| 62<br />
| 8,4,39,40,52,36<br />
| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Imz|en]]<br />
| 15:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Eikern|Eikern]]<br />
| 59<br />
| 27, 30, 44<br />
| [[wikt:no:Special:Contributions/Eikern|no]]<br />
| 16:56, 14 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:CaptainCookie|CaptainCookie]]<br />
| 1<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/CaptainCookie|en]]<br />
| 20:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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! [[User:Mewasul|Mewasul]]<br />
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| 4,28,48,59<br />
| [[wikt:no:Special:Contributions/Mewasul|no]]<br />
| 21:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Lockesdonkey|Lockesdonkey]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Lockesdonkey|en]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Dajagr|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Ralmin|Ralmin]]<br />
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! [[User:Juisu|Juisu]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Sanguis Sanies|en]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Altales Teriadem|en]]<br />
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! [[User:The-wiz|The-wiz]]<br />
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! [[User:Kazjako|Kazjako]]<br />
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! [[User:Nnttt|Nnttt]]<br />
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| 4<br />
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! [[User:Limonadis|Limonadis]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Mahmudmasri|Mahmudmasri]]<br />
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! [[User:Tntdj|Tntdj]]<br />
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| [[wikt:de:Special:Contributions/Wutzofant|de]] [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Wutzofant|en]] [[wikt:bg:Special:Contributions/Wutzofant|bg]]<br />
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! [[User:Edd3|Edd3]]<br />
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! [[User:Amalthea|Amalthea]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Amalthea|en]] [[wikt:de:Special:Contributions/Amalthea|de]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Lvb314|Lvb314]]<br />
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! [[User:Quantum Lipids|Quantum Lipids]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Quantum Lipids|en]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:朝彦|朝彦 (Asahiko)]]<br />
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| [[wikt:ja:Special:Contributions/朝彦|ja]] [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/朝彦|en]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Shizhao|Shizhao]]<br />
| 1<br />
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| [[wikt:zh:Special:Contributions/Shizhao|zh]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Tcnuk|Tcnuk]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Tcnuk|en]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[user:Anthere|anthere]]<br />
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| [[wikt:fr:Special:Contributions/Anthere|fr]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Nicolas1981|Nicolas1981]]<br />
| 5<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Nicolas1981|en]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Brian McNeil|Brian McNeil]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Brian McNeil|en]]<br />
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! [[User:Jollyroger|Jollyroger]]<br />
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! [[User:Excalibre|Excalibre]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Svenji|Svenji]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Squeaky201|Squeaky201]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Kollision|Kollision]]<br />
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! [[User:Jonste|Jonste]]<br />
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! [[User:Pilpi|pilpi]]<br />
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! [[User:Mxn|mxn]]<br />
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! [[User:Alexdubr|Alexdubr]]<br />
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! [[User:B9_hummingbird_hovering|B9_hummingbird_hovering]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/B9_hummingbird_hovering|en]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Kevinhksouth|Kevinhksouth]]<br />
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! [[User:Bcnof|Bcnof]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Meganmccarty|Meganmccarty]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Saga City|Saga City]]<br />
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! [[User:NqpZ|NqpZ]]<br />
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| 2, 59, 21<br />
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! [[User:Psbsub|Psbsub]]<br />
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! [[User:NicoBorst|NicoBorst]]<br />
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! [[User:StrawberryBlondy|StrawberryBlondy]]<br />
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! [[User:JoolzWiki|JoolzWiki]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Kennercat|Kennercat]]<br />
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| 23:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Ofol|Ofol]]<br />
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| [[wikt:fr:Special:Contributions/Ofol|fr]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Ughhhg|Ughhhg]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Elbloggers|Elbloggers]]<br />
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| 2, 17, 50, 18, 33<br />
| [[wikt:it:Special:Contributions/Elbloggers|it]]<br />
| 08:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Joao Xavier|João Xavier M.Santos]]<br />
| 7<br />
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| [[wikt:io:Special:Contributions/Joao Xavier|io]]<br />
| 08:00, 19 December 2009 (BST)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Александр Сигачёв|Александр Сигачёв]]<br />
| 50<br />
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| [[wikt:ru:Special:Contributions/Александр Сигачёв|ru]]<br />
| 10:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Уральский Кот|Уральский Кот]]<br />
| 53<br />
| 2, 4, 15, 19, 25, 28, 35, 59<br />
| [[wikt:ru:Special:Contributions/Уральский Кот|ru]]<br />
| 12.24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
|-<br />
! [[User:Glennb28|Glennb28]]<br />
| 30<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Glennb28|en]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Senet|Senet]]<br />
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! [[User:Dispe|Dispe]]<br />
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! [[User:Mavrisa|Mavrisa]]<br />
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|-<br />
! '''<font face="verdana">[[User:Glacier Wolf|<font color="#084C9E">Gl</font><font color="#4682b4">ac</font><font color="#6495ED">ier</font>]] [[User talk:Glacier Wolf|<font color="#4682b4">Wo</font><font color="#084C9E">lf</font>]]</font>'''<br />
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! [[User:XalD|×α£]]'''[[User Talk:XalD|đ]]'''<sup>[[:w:es:Usuario:XalD|es]]</sup><br />
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! [[User:SiamakT|SiamakT]]<br />
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! [[User:Nascarfans|Nascarfans]]<br />
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! {{User:Emír Balduin Hallef Omar Ali al-Adid bin Abú Sharee al-Kerak/sig}}<br />
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|-<br />
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! [[User:Bencmq|Bencmq]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Conorbrady.ie|Conorbrady.ie]]<br />
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! [[User:Epson291|Epson291]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:OhanaUnited|OhanaUnited]]<br />
| 8<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/OhanaUnited|en]] [[wikt:zh:Special:Contributions/OhanaUnited|zh]]<br />
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! [[User:Embryomystic|Embryomystic]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Embryomystic|en]]<br />
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! [[User:S4ndm4n|S4ndm4n]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Deblopper|Deblopper]]<br />
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! [[User:FollowTheMedia|FollowTheMedia]]<br />
| 1<br />
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| [[wikt:it:Special:Contributions/FollowTheMedia|it]]<br />
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|-<br />
! [[User:Avraham|Avi]]<br />
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! [[User:TNolte|Tom]]<br />
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| [[wikt:de:Special:Contributions/TNolte|de]]<br />
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! [[User:Fetchcomms|Fetchcomms]]<br />
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! [[User:Xie8|Xie8]]<br />
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| [[wikt:zh:Special:Contributions/Xie8|zh]]<br />
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! [[User:Squidonius|Squidonius]]<br />
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! [[User:Håkon|Håkon]]<br />
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! [[User:RJFJR|RJFJR]]<br />
| 1<br />
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! [[User:Eiku|Eiku]]<br />
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! [[User:Quentinv57|Quentinv57]]<br />
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| [[wikt:fr:Special:Contributions/Quentinv57|fr]]<br />
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! [[User:Imperialocity|Imperialocity]]<br />
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! [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]]<br />
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! [[User:Wesha|Wesha]]<br />
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| [[wikt:ru:Special:Contributions/Wesha|ru]]<br />
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! [[User:Unimath|Unimath]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/Unimath|en]]<br />
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! [[User:ppapadeas|Pierros Papadeas]]<br />
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| [[wikt:en:Special:Contributions/ppapadeas|en]]<br />
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! [[User:N-true|N-true]]<br />
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! [[User:Willking1979|Willking1979]]<br />
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! [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] | [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]]<br />
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! '''[[w:User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]][[w:User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #35628F">Why</span>]]'''<br />
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! [[User:Rje|Rje]]<br />
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! [[User:Locos epraix|Locos]] <small>[[User talk:Locos epraix|epraix]] ~ [[w:en:User talk:Locos epraix|Beastepraix]]</small><br />
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! [[User:Lyc. cooperi|Lyc. cooperi]]<br />
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! [[User:Makingyouhungry|Makingyouhungry]]<br />
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! [[User:Coren|Coren]]<br />
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! [[user:Kalan|Kalan]]<br />
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! [[User:FischX|FischX]]<br />
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! [[User:Victor LP|Victor LP]]<br />
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! [[User:Panglossa|Panglossa]]<br />
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! [[User:Voltin|Voltin]]<br />
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! [[User:Electricnet|Electricnet]]<br />
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! [[User:Jeandré du Toit|Jeandré]]<br />
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! [[User:David0811|David0811]]<br />
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! [[User:Noian|Noian]]<br />
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! [[User:Joey the Mango|Joey the Mango]]<br />
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! [[User:Prillen|Prillen]]<br />
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! [[User:5ko|5ko]]<br />
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! [[User:Church of emacs]]<br />
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! [[User:EdwinGreenwood|EdwinGreenwood]]<br />
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! [[User:Merlin G.|Merlin G.]]<br />
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! [[User:Znakus|Znakus]]<br />
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! [[User:Rsvk|Rsvk]]<br />
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! [[User:Wikiperson0202|Wikiperson0202]]<br />
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! [[User:Keith111|Keith111]]<br />
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! [[User:Zvika|Zvika]]<br />
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! [[User:Pyntix|Pyntix]]<br />
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! [[User:Leonardo Rossi|Leonardo Rossi]]<br />
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| 12:26, 31 December 2009 (UTC)</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary/logo/refresh/proposals&diff=1500900Wiktionary/logo/refresh/proposals2009-06-01T19:44:52Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Stylised magnifying glass */</p>
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This page is for nominations for the [[Wiktionary/logo/refresh|new Wiktionary logo vote]]. Each proposal should be added under a new section title with a short descriptive name. Logos from the [[Wiktionary/logo/archive-vote-1|previous vote]] can be included, and users are encouraged to design new ones. It does not have to be the author of the logo that proposes it, but this is likely to be more common for the newly created ones. The proposal should consist of:<br />
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* an image that is 135x135 px to be used as the logo<br />
* either an image that is 16x16 px to be used as the [[w:favicon|favicon]], or a short description of how such an image could be created.<br />
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After a proposal has been added, please abide by the following:<br />
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* Anyone may comment on or improve any proposal.<br />
* The logo in the proposal may be replaced by an improved version of the same logo.<br />
* Only one logo should be present in one section. Multiple similar proposals should have multiple sections.<br />
* Do not vote on this page.<br />
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The proposals on this page should not be modified after '''2009-07-31 23:59''', voting (in a manner yet to be determined) will then occur.<br />
<div style="float:left">{{current logo discussion}}</div><br />
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=="Tile" logo==<br />
Proposal for logo for all editions. It won the [[Wiktionary/logo|2006 vote]] and is currently used by 16 Wikitionary editions ([[wikt:ar:Main_Page|Arabic]], [[wikt:co:Main_Page|Corsican]], [[wikt:nl:Main_Page|Dutch]], [[wikt:fr:Main_Page|French]], [[wikt:el:Main_Page|Greek]], [[wikt:it:Main_Page|Italian]], [[wikt:ko:Main_Page|Korean]], [[wikt:lt:Main_Page|Lithuanian]], [[wikt:fa:Main_Page|Persian]], [[wikt:scn:Main_Page|Sicilian]], [[wikt:sv:Main_Page|Swedish]], [[wikt:tr:Main_Page|Turkish]], [[wikt:uk:Main_Page|Ukrainian]], [[wikt:vi:Main_Page|Vietnamese]], [[wikt:wo:Main_Page|Wolof]], and [[wikt:yi:Main_Page|Yiddish]]). It follows the multilingual aproach to the [[:File:Wikipedia-logo.png|Wikipedia logo]], and the tiles resemble tiles from games such as in [[:fr:Jarnac (jeu)|jarnac]], [[:en:scrabble|scrabble]] and [[:en:mahjong|mahjong]]. The [[:en:favicon|favicon]] is simply the centre piece. The author of the image is [[User:Smurrayinchester]].<br />
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{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"<br />
|- style=text-align:center;vertical-align:center;<br />
! With text<br />
! Favicon<br />
|- style=text-align:center;vertical-align:center;<br />
| [[File:WiktionaryEn.svg|131px]]<br />
| [[File:Wiktsister en.png|16px]]<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="0" | [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wiktsister en.png|36px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
|}<br />
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=== Comments ===<br />
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* That's a misstatement. The Greek, Korean, Persian, and others use variations that replace the W in the middle with a character in their own script. [[Special:Contributions/70.112.20.23|70.112.20.23]] 08:30, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
** Also, this logo DID NOT win the 2006 vote. There were 108 votes in favor of this logo and 135 votes that were not in favor of this logo. That's by no means a consensus. It isn't even a majority. Once we figure out which logo has the most support, we should have a simple vote that says, this logo is to be adopted yes or no? I can't see reaching a definitive conclusion any other way. If that had been the case last time, it wouldn't have reached any sort of supermajority, and could have very well lost outright, meaning less than half. That's not surprising given how haphazardly the entire process was handled. [[Special:Contributions/70.112.199.133|70.112.199.133]] 03:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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* I dislike this logo. It is too text-centered, neither resembles a dictionary. -[[User talk:Diego UFCG|Di]][[User:Diego UFCG|ego UFCG]] 10:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
** Mind you, neither the Wikisource or even, when you really consider it objectively, Wikipedia logos immediately bring to mind the idea of "out of copyright texts" or "an encyclopedia". Yes, they have symbolism, but unless you already know what they are symbolic of, they're just pretty icons (mind you, that's valid for a GREAT many brands. Just try thumbing through a compendium of commercial logos in use and figuring what types of companies use them!). [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 14:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
***I don't think resembling a dictionary is necessarily necessary. This logo does in fact relate to a dictionary though (i.e., Wiktionary), because all words all made up of letters, the basic building block if you will of language. Overall, this is by far my favourite design. - [[User:Epson291|Epson291]] 08:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
**** Respectfully, I disagree. You are right that many languages are commonly written using letter-based writing systems, but whatever the building blocks of language might be, surely they must be in language itself, rather than in writing systems? —[[wikt: User:Ruakh |Ruakh]]<sub ><small ><i >[[wikt: User talk:Ruakh |TALK]]</i ></small ></sub > 13:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*But the lack of resemblance must be compensatede by an aesthetically pleasant design, and the design of this logo isn't good. It doesn't solve the cultural centrism problem (why only 9 scripts? why not other ones?), and the logo and its favicon must be changed for languages with different scripts. -[[User talk:Diego UFCG|Di]][[User:Diego UFCG|ego UFCG]] 11:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
** It won the 2006 vote. And has ''any'' of the wiktionaries voted against it? Is somebody aware of a language wiktionary clearly against this logo, after an internal vote? [[User:Lmaltier|Lmaltier]] 15:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*This is my favorite. I do like the IPA image below, but I think it would be nice if all the various languages used a similar theme. Certainly better than what is currently used. -[[User:Kslays|Kslays]] 21:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t like this. It’s ugly, IMHO (sorry, author). Certainly worse than what is currently used. I don’t like other logos here either and cannot propose my own. This is very sad. --[[User:Vahagn Petrosyan|Vahagn Petrosyan]] 01:09, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*Darkdadaah made an interesting point regarding this logo on the mailing list: [...] ''the logo should identify the project ("hey, it's Wiktionary!") without reference to something else ("hey, it's that dictionary that uses scrabble tiles!").'' Notwithstanding the copyright issues some have cried wolf (of which I firmly believe there are not), the logo is a clear reference to scrabble tiles, and that is a problem. Not to mention that involving the letter W makes localisation too complex by itself: the only thing that should ''ever'' change is the text below the logo. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 04:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
** No, it's not a clear reference to Scrabble tiles. It's not because somebody has mentioned Scrabble that this logo should be disqualified. These tiles '''cannot''' be confused with Scrabble tiles (though they can be confused with tiles from various other games...) [[User:Lmaltier|Lmaltier]] 21:02, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
***Who said they could be ''confused''? The point is that they are an ''obvious reference'' to them. Anybody who's ever seen a scrabble game in their life would immediately make the association, regardless whether it was intended. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 00:12, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
**** This is true only for people who have seen a scrabble game and never seen other games based on letter tiles. [[User:Lmaltier|Lmaltier]] 17:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*I was browsing the French wiktionary and I thought this logo was much better than the English version, in fact I think that this should be the standard for all languages as the Wikipedia logo is for all languages. I think the tiles are neutral and in fact I at first did not think of scrabble (as some suggested one would) but of mah-jongg, and I am not even a player of that game. All this to say that the issue of resemblance to some copyrighted work is not an issue, as many games and products make use of tiles with writing/symbology. In fact, I believe one of the earliest languages, cuneiform, utilized letter-tiles as its basis for writing.<br />
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* Thumb up. Corresponds well with the Wikipedia logo. &mdash;[[User:AugPi|AugPi]] 14:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
** Yeah, but, is that the point? What is it that makes it not just a rehash of the same idea Wikipedia's logo has going on? I mean, if you're going to say that, you may as well consider the two interchangeable, which is not what you want in a logo for an entirely different project. [[User:Buzgun|this raven is icy]] 22:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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* i have to agree with other people it doesn't resemble a dictionary at all <br/>It should be a dictionary with wiki in lots of languages on the front but i like it all the same. If it was a translation unit it might just work for me. {{unsigned|86.132.216.167|13:39, 28 May 2009}}<br />
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== IPA tiles ==<br />
[[File:Tiles wood IPA.png|thumb|left|135px]]<br />
:Symbols taken from the International Phonetic Alphabet. The favicon would consist of just the W tile: [[File:Tiles wood IPA thumb.png|16px]]<br />
{| class="prettytable"<br />
| [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Tiles wood IPA small.png|34px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
|}<br />
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===Comments===<br />
By the way, what license am I supposed to use for the image (on Commons)? [[User:DAVilla|DAVilla]] 00:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: If it is to be used for a Wikimedia project, I think you have to use [[Commons:Template:Copyright by Wikimedia|Template:Copyright by Wikimedia]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 21:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Exact same problem as the first replacement: many languages don't have the sound /w/, and the IPA is heavily skewed toward the Latin alphabet (which is, when you think about it, worse than the writing systems choice issues with the first replacement). [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 04:52, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Very true, but at least we can blame that on the IPA. Alternatively it would be cool to use symbols from ''phonetic'' alphabets in various languages, like Chinese bopomofo or the AHD's oo with a line on top. As it is, I don't think it matters if many languages have the sound or not, the symbols are just pretty. [[User:DAVilla|DAVilla]] 05:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I quite like this as a design, but I can't help feeling it's a little too strong to use as a logo. It doesn't blend in very well when put beside the other project logos and I think it would really stand out on the page. Maybe that's a good thing for some people, but it doesn't work for me. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 12:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Are you saying the quality must be low on account of poor logos already included, that ours should look as dull as [[Image:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]]? Sorry for being negative. In my opinion the best logos are the ones that stand out. Wikipedia. Wikinews. Wikisource even started as [[Image:Iceberg.jpg|25px]]. I'd be happy with something a little more symbolic than photographic as long as I could believe the characters to be etched into wood, having if not the texture then the right tone, at least, rather than the color of puke. [[User:DAVilla|DAVilla]] 05:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::Just saying that I think part of our brief ''is'' to find something that harmonises with the other project logos to some extent. Where we draw the line between too similar and too different is open for discussion, but if we can't even agree on a general principle like that then this whole exercise is doomed. Perhaps we've moved too quickly onto proposals and should've worked out the general principles of what we want from a logo first.<br />
::I don't agree that the other project logos are of low quality. In the case of Wikibooks I think you're confusing dull with simple. For an image that will be shown at different resolutions simple is a huge advantage.<br />
::I also don't think that any of the current logos have such radically different designs. The only one that is particularly different (apart from Wiktionary of course) is Wikipedia and even that is still circular. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: I know the difference. Wikiversity is detailed and Wikiquote is simple, though neither are very colorful. Wikibooks is both simple and dull, and not circular wherever that came from. Anyways we have two full months to not only discuss the principles but also to illustrate them with proposals and variations thereof. Speaking of principles, it appears some higher-ups don't want logos that are too close to the Wikimedia logo. I imagine Wikispecies is the primary impetus for that decision. The last time we voted on a Wiktionary logo, 3 of the 4 finalists said in the titles that the colors would have to be changed. And (possibly because of that) they all lost, by the way. [[User:DAVilla|DAVilla]] 17:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stone tiles ==<br />
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[[File:Tiles stone obsolete.png|thumb|left|135px]]<br />
: This logo is for everyone. It's for those who think wood doesn't make a permanent enough logo, or those who are still haunted by childhood memories of Scrabble. It's for those who are so good at word games that they could play a hand stacked with obsolete symbols, or those who don't like a logo concept to be trumped by flashy colors. The favicon would be a single tile etched with W ([[File:Tiles stone obsolete thumb.png]]) or whatever other character from the localized Wikipedia favicon.<br />
{| class="prettytable"<br />
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===Comments===<br />
I think this would work better with the oh-so-grey Monobook background than the wooden tiles, but after looking at them both for a while the warmth of the wooden ones is more appealing somehow. The Wiki gods won't let us do backgrounds, will they? Would be good to see how all these designs look in context. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 14:58, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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This looks great and at least ties-in with the grey and the characters of the Wikipedia logo. The "Wiki..." projects should all relate to one another. In fact, a professional update to all logos should be considered: not to change the logos per se, but to apply a consistent style and quality.<br />
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== Calligraphy ==<br />
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[[File:Wikt calligraphy logo color2.1.svg|thumb|left|135px]]<br />
:A variation by [[User:Darkdadaah]] of a design by [[User:Yorktown1776]]. The favicon would consist of just resizing the logo to 16px. [[File:Wikt calligraphy logo color2.1.svg|16px]]<br />
{| class="prettytable"<br />
| [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikt calligraphy logo color2.1.svg|40px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
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===Comments===<br />
One of the better variations proposed in the first round, though mildly language-centric. I think the idea of playing with the W is good. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 14:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: The biggest thing I don't like about this logo is it doesn't lend it self well to non Latin languages (ex. Greek, Cyliric (Russian), Arabic, Hebrew, and South/East Asian languages), where the stylized "W" means nothing. Plus every wiki project starts with a "W", why should this logo be used for this one, and how does it connect to its purpose of representing a wiki dictionary? - [[User:Epson291|Epson291]] 08:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: Looks more like Greek omega than double-yew, and I don't mind that.[[Special:Contributions/24.79.79.87|24.79.79.87]]<br />
::::The W part looks almost identical to the logo just introduced by the Woolworths supermarket chain in Australia.[[Special:Contributions/125.63.159.213|125.63.159.213]] 11:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Calligraphy in speech bubble==<br />
[[File:Wikt combined 7 10.svg|thumb|left|135px]]<br />
:Combination of a design by Yorktown1776 and one by [[User:Rei-artur]] made by [[User:Sannab]] on a proposal by [[User:Vildricianus]]. The favicon would consist of just resizing the logo to 16px, or using only the w-part. [[File:Wikt combined 7 10.svg|16px]]/[[File:Wikt calligraphy logo color2.1.svg|16px]]<br />
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{| class="prettytable"<br />
| [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikt combined 7 10.svg|40px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
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===Comments===<br />
Variation of the precedent, combines the calligraphic with a speech bubble. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 14:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: To me this looks far more like a logo for Wikiquote than the Wikiquote logo does (which to me looks like it should be about sound files). [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[wikt:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wikt]],[[:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wp]],[[:commons:User:Thryduulf|commons]]) 23:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: Yeah, I have that problem with Wikiquote too. The speech bubble is fairly universal, so I'm not sure why they didn't adopt it. [[User:DAVilla|DAVilla]] 08:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: Maybe they thought it was too obvious. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 08:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Speaking faces==<br />
[[File:Wikt face0.png|thumb|left|135px]]<br />
:Proposal by [[User:Happydog]]. Easily resized for favicon. [[File:Wikt face0.png|16px]]<br />
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{| class="prettytable"<br />
| [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikt face0.png|45px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
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===Comments===<br />
Another from the previous proposal process. Puts the accent on the "speech/language" aspect of Wiktionary. Possibly a good avenue if we toy with the speech bubble part. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 14:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I like this one much better than Calligraphy, I didn't realize before but yeah, the speech bubble is kinda weird, it may be worthwile to toy with it, but overall it is a nice logo. And, it has something to do with a dictionary, even if it focuses on the language part of it. - [[User:Epson291|Epson291]] 09:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think this fits a dictionary. This would be a perfect logo if the project had more audio or spoken parts to it. It just doesn't make me think of a dictionary. --[[user:penubag|penubag]] 03:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: Good point. It's a little off from what the project is about. - [[User:Epson291|Epson291]] 04:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: If we start from the (fairly legit IMHO) assumption that the logo should eschew the used of written characters of any sort, how are we to represent the idea of "language" or "words" that is central to this project? 04:53, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::: Didn't you just prove the point of why the idea to eschew the use of written characters of any sort is ''not'' a legit assumption? I mean, seriously - Wikiversity gets away with the not-language thing because it's not a language-centred project. Similarly, Wikisource has a clever little pun going on, etc. - but this is the one most languagey project. We'd be idiots ''not'' to use some sort of writing to represent it. [[User:Buzgun|this raven is icy]] 22:13, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: "Un!"<br />
: "Clear!"<br />
: "Un"..."clear."<br />
: "Unclear!"<br />
: Sorry, that's actually what I think of most of these logos, but it was fun to say. [[User:DAVilla|DAVilla]] 06:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::I think that maybe if you add some characters to the speech bubble, it might relate more to wiktionary.<br />
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== Dictionary on a monitor ==<br />
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[[Image:BookMonitor.svg]]<br />
I haven't decided on what the Favicon would be. Also, note this is an SVG so it will resize to any appropriate size automatically. Note the gold edge and the thumbpoints, similar to a dictionary.<br />
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[[en:User:Rfc1394|Paul Robinson (Rfc1394)]] 03:39, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
{| class="prettytable"<br />
| [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[Image:BookMonitor.svg|30px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
|}<br />
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=== Comments ===<br />
It's really more of an illustration than a logographic design.[[Special:Contributions/24.79.79.87|24.79.79.87]]<br />
: and thumbpoints would not be visible... [[User:Lmaltier|Lmaltier]] 15:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: IN my experience thumbpoints are a very English features of dictionaries. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 21:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: According to Landau, including a thumb index in a dictionary “is strictly a marketing decision,” and they are popular with American buyers, but “to the great relief of British publishers, thumb indexes have never caught on in the UK dictionary market.” (S.I. Landau 2001, ''Dictionaries: The Art and Craft of Lexicography'', 2nd ed.)<br />
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::: So I don't mind the thumb index, but it probably doesn't speak to everyone. To resemble a big dictionary at the micro-scale, the type on the book pages should probably be arranged in two or three columns without line spaces, rather than in evenly-spaced paragraphs.&nbsp;''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2009-05-22&nbsp;18:26&nbsp;z</small>'' 18:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::: I don't think looks nearly professional enough, it looks more like clip art than a logo for a dictionary. - [[User:Epson291|Epson291]] 04:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::: Well, hopefully people more competent will refine the logos at later points in the process. Not even all of them are in .svg to begin with. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 04:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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It's a bit of a strong picture when compared to the other logos. I like the idea, but I think it needs to be stylised a bit to fit. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[wikt:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wikt]],[[:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wp]],[[:commons:User:Thryduulf|commons]]) 23:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Current design ==<br />
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[[File:Wiktionary-logo-en.svg|thumb|left|135px]]<br />
:The favicon would be: [[File:Wiktionary-favicon.png|16px]].<br />
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{| class="prettytable"<br />
| colspan="2" | [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wiktionary-logo-en.svg|34px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
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===Comments===<br />
This is the current Wiktionary logo, the text it contains can be translated into different languages, as can be seen at [[commons:Category:Wiktionary logos]]. [[User:Conrad.Irwin|Conrad.Irwin]] 08:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: It's ''not'' a logo, it's just text; Which is why I would be very happy to see it replaced. [[User:Epson291|Epson291]] 09:11, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: Also, Favicon is identical to Wikipedia's.[[Special:Contributions/24.79.79.87|24.79.79.87]]<br />
::::Indeed. It's a ''mess'' to localize, and various little things (i.e. pronunciation in en:) are always causing trouble. Plus the logo itself cannot exist separately from the name/slogan, which removes any usefulness of having a logo in the first place: you cannot use the logo without using a specific language. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 21:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::: [http://images.google.com/intl/en_ALL/images/images_hp.gif There] [http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&sa=1&q=epson+logo&btnG=Search+Images&aq=f&oq= is] [http://national.nsbe.org/Portals/0/images/BCA/GM-Logo.jpg no] [http://web.mit.edu/lucha/www/logo_exxonmobil.jpg way] that a legit logo can contain only stylized text. (Google, Epson, GM, Exxon Mobil for those who don't want to click.) - [[User:TheDaveRoss|TheDaveRoss]] 16:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Very clever, but I think you just proved the point. Those are all ''stylized'', one is only two letters and two are single words. They are also ''never'' localized. How can you possibly compare that to a jumble of 10+ words that will be different in each language anyway? We're looking for a logo, not an essay. If it's too diffuse to use as a favicon then there's a good chance it's not a good logo. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 17:40, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Agreed. And “Wiktionary” is not a great name to use internationally (note that these companies no longer call themselves ''Daiwa Kogyo'', ''General Motors'', or ''Standard Oil''), and unless you think Wikisłownik, Βικιλεξικό, Вікісловник, and a dozen other projects that have already rejected this logo will rename themselves “Wiktionary,” then this logo is hopeless.&nbsp;''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2009-05-24&nbsp;19:09&nbsp;z</small>''<br />
::::::: Furthermore, the RP-centric nature of even the English version of this logo, while not overtly offensive, is pretty annoying. It's not just that ''dictionary'' has four syllables to me, or to my continent. It has four syllables to a lot of people (including, I'm pretty sure, many ESL students). It's just not very diplomatic. I think this logo is basically dead in the water anyway, it doesn't seem like anyone wants it, but I think it's important to realise why specifically we don't want this, even for en.wiktionary. A slight tangent now, forgive me - That reason, however, is not because other projects' names are different. Wikipedia has been quite all right creating new logos (although many of them are poorly rendered) for projects named ''Uiquipedia'' and so forth, which is my number one rebuttal for the idea that the ''W'', by itself, is ethnocentric: If anyone else wants to use a different symbol, they will. ''W'' is just what is most semantically appropriate for English - and a host of other languages. [[User:Buzgun|this raven is icy]] 22:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Schematic dictionary entry ==<br />
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[[File:Wiktionary-schematic.png|thumb|left|125px]]<br />
:The favicon would consist of just the paragraph mark. [[File:Wiktionary-schematic-favico.png|16px]]<br />
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{| class="prettytable"<br />
| [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wiktionary-schematic.png|30px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
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===Comments===<br />
This one's an oddball that came to me. It's a very rough representation (I'm no logo designer), but the concept, that of a schematic dictionary entry (as opposed to one with actual text), should be relatively straightforward. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 21:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: I like the concept of a schematic entry of a dictionary, but not this design in particular. It might have a certain continuity with the "current logo" above, with horizontal lines instead of words, but it should be still more schematic to use it as logo, and better with some colors. --[[User:Vriullop|Vriullop]] 09:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: I'm not going to pretend the proposal is very good. As I note, I'm no designer. I'm hoping some people will be able to build on it. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 00:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::But this looks more like an encyclopedia entry. Usually dictionaries don't have images (as I'm assuming that grey square is). Also, I'm not sure how anyone would be able to make this look professional.[[Special:Contributions/69.230.79.102|69.230.79.102]] 01:33, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Too dark. It doesn't fit in well with the other logos, which are overwhelmingly blue-ish. [[User:V85|V85]] 09:11, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== A dictionary as a wikilink ==<br />
[[File:Wiktionary logo-Syntax.svg|135px|left]] The square brackets "<nowiki>[[</nowiki>&nbsp;<nowiki>]]</nowiki>" refer to the wiki-syntax link that connects the user to other parts of a wiki-dictionary. When these brackets are connected with dotted lines, it appears to be an open book, or dictionary. They are connected with a dotted line rather than a solid one because the content of Wiktionary is open. The directed arrows coming out of a circle are inspired by the Wikimedia Commons Logo and refer to collaborative and the always expanding nature of wikis.<br />
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'''There are more color versions here: [[:File:Wiktionary_logo-Syntax_(alternate_colors).svg]]'''<br />
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By: [[User:Inkwina|Inkwina]] and [[user:penubag|penubag]]<br />
{| class="prettytable"<br />
| [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wiktionary logo-Syntax.svg|40px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
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===Comments===<br />
* So far, I really like this one the best. The rest of them just sort of go "no, I don't like that" to me. --[[User:Neskaya|Neskaya]] 18:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
* Nice work: clean, simple, good concept - personally I like it, best regards, --[[User:Spacebirdy|<font color="black">birdy</font> <small style="color:gray">geimfyglið</small>]] [[User talk:Spacebirdy|<sub style="color:teal">(:>&nbsp;)=|</sub>]] 21:23, 22 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
* I like this one too. Is there a favicon? - [[User:Epson291|Epson291]] 04:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
* I'm a bit meh at it. Yes it's a very nice logo, but it just ''doesn't ring much as a logo specifically for Wiktionary''. It could be the logo of just about any of the Wikimedia projects. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 04:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:But you can say that for all the logos on this page. (except the original) [[Special:Contributions/69.230.79.102|69.230.79.102]] 19:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: and except the tile logos... [[User:Lmaltier|Lmaltier]] 21:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: And seriously, the tile logos need to go into one of the places where things go to die. Sorry to the projects that use it, but I really don't like it and I will raise holy hell before the ENGLISH Wiktionary adopts anything of the like. --[[User:Neskaya|Neskaya]] 17:24, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::: I don't know why you said that here - it's not like this logo is any better, other than in how it services your need for a different kind of graphic design. I second Circeus; there's nothing that makes this a Wiktionary logo and not just a Wiki-stuff logo. In fact, this is basically just the same as the Mediawiki logo, without the media part, and I never liked that logo either. I'd support it as a logo for some other general Wiki thing, but not for Wiktionary. [[User:Buzgun|this raven is icy]] 21:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I'm not talking about the other logos, I'm talking about ''this'' logo, and you're wrong, most of them do have elements that are specifically thought for wiktionary, this one has no association that are unique in referring to a dictionary or even just language. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 00:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
* Thumb up. Looks good. &mdash;[[User:AugPi|AugPi]] 14:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
* I think that this looks more like a representation of a monitor or TV screen than anything else. The arrows do work as a representation of growth or expansion, but perhaps more in the “pushing the boundaries” or “innovating” sense, which is probably not meaningful for Wiktionary. Also, I agree with sentiments that it is too similar to the MediaWiki logo or applies to broadly to wikis in general. —[[Special:Contributions/195.194.50.3|195.194.50.3]] 12:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:God forbid that we'd give people the impression that any innovation was happening on a wiktionary. No, no boundaries being pushed here...oh wait, every word in every language... ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 14:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::The major issue is not that the symbolism is inappropriate, it's that the symbolism ''could applies to any WikiMedia projects''. The new should have some element(s) that applies specifically to Wiktionary, but this one doesn't. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 16:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::At least this one is as unbiased as it gets. Not eurocentric, US centric, or doesn't contain any overly vague concrete representation of a dictionary. --[[user:penubag|penubag]] 10:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
*The text 'Wiktionary, the free dictionary', is currently a part of the logo: None of the other wiki-projects do that: They all have a clean logo, with the text underneath, and this text can then be translated and localised. To fit in with the other logos, it would hav to be made a little longer. (A small detail, but it's the small stuff that most often is annoying...) [[User:V85|V85]] 09:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
*This is my favourite, for all the reasons above. The opposing arguments are too weak to change my mind. [[User:Dendodge|Dendodge]] 18:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Wiktionary user + speech bubble + at sign==<br />
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These logos are just sketches. I would be grateful if someone improve them.<br />
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{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"<br />
| [[File:Wikt user speech buble at sign.png| 135px]]<br />
| [[File:Wikt user speech buble at sign.png| 17px]]<br />
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| User alone<br />
| Favicon<br />
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| colspan="2" | [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikt user speech buble at sign.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
|}<br />
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They show a person (any Wiktionary user) inside his/her own speech bubble, meaning the (s)he is talking about his/her own universe. At the same time, the form of the bubble resembles an @, to emphatize that Wiktionary is an electronic dictionary. We can also interpet the circular arrow as that our knowledge always has feedback, due to the collaborative nature of the wikis. I haven't decided the final colors yet. -[[User talk:Diego UFCG|Di]][[User:Diego UFCG|ego UFCG]] 12:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Comments===<br />
I've split this proposal into two seperate ones in accordance with the rules at the top of this page. (Multiple logos in one proposal can lead to skewing the voting; while I much prefer the one without the monitor, if I voted for this proposal I would give equal support to both.) [[User:Conrad.Irwin|Conrad.Irwin]] 12:37, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
*Ooooh ooooh ooooh. In all seriousness though, I like this one even more than the other one that I said I liked. I highly prefer the gray colourscheme to anything with bright colours. This is influenced by the fact that I have a processing disability, and reducing unnecessary use of bright colours helps me to still be able to work on the project that I enjoy. Again, I like the one without the monitor, but either of these are highly preferable to anything else that I have seen so far. --[[User:Neskaya|Neskaya]] 17:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: This has great possibilities. How about just an at sign with the end of its tail curled down into a pointer. It becomes its own speech bubble. It would be more typographical a literal sketch of a person. It also includes the letter A, from alpha, the original first letter of any alphabet (not all-encompassing, but pretty universally understood as an important first for written language).&nbsp;''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2009-05-24&nbsp;19:16&nbsp;z</small>''<br />
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*The @ symbolism is great, but the only time that symbol is used on the internet is for email suits. Although a great logo for a mailing service, not good for representing a computer system, let alone a dictionary. --[[user:penubag|penubag]] 08:58, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*Once it has colours, it will fit in well with the other logos, I envision the head to be the same dot as Commons, the line around it blue, and the torso meta-green (but that's just my suggestion). Again: Wiktionary should ''not'' be a part of the logo, none of the other logos have the name of the project in the logo, it's just text beneath, which can be localised, the same should apply to Wiktionary. Also, the line around is not even, right after the little curl pointing in as a speech bubble, it should immediately become a circle, and not have a little straight line there... [[User:V85|V85]] 09:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Wiktionary user with monitor + speech bubble + at sign==<br />
{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"<br />
| [[File:Wikt user speech bubble at sign 2.png| 135px]]<br />
| [[File:Wikt user speech bubble at sign 2.png| 17px]]<br />
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|User with monitor<br />
|Favicon<br />
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| colspan="2" | [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikt user speech bubble at sign 2.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
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A slight variation on the theme above, also by -[[User talk:Diego UFCG|Di]][[User:Diego UFCG|ego UFCG]].<br />
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===Comments===<br />
Okay, so here's what I want: The monitor is given more prevalence and full of glyphs (stacked on top of each other, Kindle logo style, not given personal real estate like everything else we've seen). The curlicue is given either a smooth style or the rougher thing going on at its starting point (personally I dislike the whole "Everything is smooth!" fad), and its arrow is turned into the lower half of the pointer on a speech bubble so the whole thing more accurately represents the letter ''a'' as was mentioned in the previous proposal. I'd show what I'm talking about but the juxtaposition of my geekiness and homosexual tendencies has unfortunately not lent itself to the pursuance of graphic design skills. Anyway, I think this is the best idea so far, either with or without the monitor. I stand by what I said before about using some sort of written language to represent this project, and that's why I'm trying to take advantage of the monitor as a space to contextualise that without being ethnocentric. Honestly, if any one project should use written language, it should be this one, and not Wikipedia. [[User:Buzgun|this raven is icy]] 22:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:But like you seconded to the comment above, this doesn't relate to Witionary but for any Wikimedia project. --[[user:penubag|penubag]] 23:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Without considering whether this logo and the one without the monitor are any good in their own right, I think that they are incoherent with the other existing WikiMedia project logos. This is probably because they contain fewer colours and are set at a lower contrast against the background in comparison to the other logos. I do not think that this is necessarily a bad thing, but I think that the other logos would need to be modified to keep in line with it. —[[Special:Contributions/195.194.50.3|195.194.50.3]] 12:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:If you read above you'll find that [[User talk:Diego UFCG|Di]][[User:Diego UFCG|ego UFCG]] hasn't chosen colours yet so you can't dismiss the design because of colours. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 14:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Speech bubble + arrows==<br />
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They're also sketches.<br />
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{| class="prettytable"<br />
| [[File:Wikt speech bubble arrows d.png| 135px]]<br />
| [[File:Wikt speech bubble arrows d1.png| 16px]]<br />
| <br />
;See also<br />
:[[:File:Wikt speech bubble arrows a.png|Dark blue and green]]<br />
:[[:File:Wikt speech bubble arrows b.png|Bright purple and red]]<br />
:[[:File:Wikt speech bubble arrows c.png|Pastel purple and green]]<br />
|-<br />
| Logo (in blue and yellow)<br />
| Favicon<br />
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| colspan="3" | [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikt speech bubble arrows d.png|45px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
|}<br />
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This is a speech baloon, because Wiktionary is about languages. It has inward and outward arrows to mean that in Wiktionary anyone can acquire (reading) and provide (editing) knowledge. -[[User talk:Diego UFCG|Di]][[User:Diego UFCG|ego UFCG]] 12:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Comments===<br />
:Isn't the aspect ratio slightly wrong? Also, I have changed this to one colour variation, see the rules at the top. [[User:Conrad.Irwin|Conrad.Irwin]] 12:42, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*I can't see the colour things on this. However, I'm noting that anything with bright colours is incredibly detrimental to me trying to use the computer, due to some sensory issues that I have. They're pretty and squee in real life, but if there's bright colours where they don't need to be on the web page, it makes it harder for me to use. A lot harder. --[[User:Neskaya|Neskaya]] 17:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*The speech balloon resembles a hand for me, a C-shape holding one of the arrows between thumb and forefinger. I like your symbolism (acquire and provide knowledge) with your arrows, but sadly I can't understand that's what the arrows are about at first sight. Which direction are they going to? Maybe arrows that loop onto themselves (like the ''recycle'' logo) would work better to convey that, as we build from ''our own'' edits. --[[User:Icqgirl|Icqgirl]] 03:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*Horrible logo. No mercy. I created an account just to post this. Looks like "Web 0.5" and no where near something like "Web 2.5". Rough edges, contrasting colors. [[User:Tekboi|Tekboi]] 06:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stylised magnifying glass ==<br />
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{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"<br />
| [[File:Wikt rei-artur10.svg| 135px]]<br />
| [[File:Wikt rei-artur10-notitle.svg| 17px]]<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" | [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikt rei-artur10-notitle.svg|40px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
|}<br />
One of [[User:Rei-artur|Rei-artur]]'s more abstract designs from the previous logo discussion. Obviously the final favicon version wouldn't include the text. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 07:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Comments===<br />
I like this precisely because it's abstract. The task of representing everybody's idea of a dictionary (is it a book? no it's a website, etc., etc. ad infinitum) as well as catering for many different languages is probably an impossible one. A logo ''does not'' have to directly represent the item that it's branding. How many people's computers look like apples? And yet, Apple has an instantly recognisable and very effective logo.<br />
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Simply using a logo as the logo for wiktionaries will make it the symbol for wiktionaries. We just have to choose one we can all accept. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 07:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I went through all the images in this page, looking at only '''one''' thing, the favicon list. Which allowed me to analyze what place the proposed logos had compared to all the other logos. This is the only logo clean enough to be a part of WIKIMEDIA. One thing must be noted though, the text below the logo must be removed from the favicon. [[User:Tekboi|Tekboi]] 06:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I just took this from [[Wiktionary/logo/archive-vote-1#.2310_.28Speech_Bubbles.2C_Magnifying_Glasses_and_More.29|here]], just a variation that never had a version without text. I've made one now.<br />
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:Did you decide this one fits in based on colour or on shape? There seems to be some confusion about how similar to the others the logo should be. People have pointed to a document about the Foundation logo (which only talks about that logo and its use) as though it said something about how new logos should be different but I can't see it. So, it's possible someone may demand the colours be changed. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 01:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I actually like the concept of a magnifying glass the best. But IMHO this one is stylized a little bit too much to the degree that it no longer resembles a magnifying glass, so maybe make it less abstract - and the colors changed as well. [[User:Wyvernoid|Wyvernoid]] 05:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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[[File:Brennglas.jpg|60px|left]] I think it's meant to represent something like this rather than a glass with a handle. I think a magnifying glass with a handle would probably be a huge waste of space and wouldn't be clear at icon resolution at all, but hey why not put a proposal together if you think it's a good idea? ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 11:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC) <br clear="all" /><br />
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: [[File:Crystal Clear app kdvi.png|60px|right]] [[File:Crystal kghostview.png|60px|right]] Actually something can be put under the magnifying glass so there is something under the handle too, and in this way no space is wasted (like the two pictures on the right). Also maybe look at [http://cp.iciba.com/ this website] (it's in Chinese but doesn't matter), there's an icon at the left top corner which pretty much describes my idea, and the favicon is clear enough. Why don't I put up a proposal? Well my image handling skills aren't that good... but maybe I'll try. [[User:Wyvernoid|Wyvernoid]] 05:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Perhaps too similar to the [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/14/new_quark_logo/ Quark, Inc. logo that was too similar to the Scottish Art Council logo]. Plus we don't want to anger The Register even more than we do now. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 19:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stylised magnifying glass + Globe ==<br />
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{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"<br />
| [[File:WiktLogo-Mag-WikiGlobe-red.svg| 135px]]<br />
| [[File:WiktLogo-Mag-WikiGlobe-red.svg| 17px]]<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" | [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:WiktLogo-Mag-WikiGlobe-red.svg|40px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
|}<br />
A variation of [[User:Rei-artur|Rei-artur]]'s magnifying glass incorporating a flipped red version of the Meta logo globe. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 08:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Comments===<br />
Different enough from Meta? Not sure, but a globe is one way of emphasising the international nature of the project. I started out with some more detailed globes, but I'm a bit unsure about their licences and a stylised globe prevents arguments about whose country's on top. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 08:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:This would work very well as the logo of a maps-based project, but I think less well for that of a dictionary. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[wikt:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wikt]],[[:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wp]],[[:commons:User:Thryduulf|commons]]) 23:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::So is Meta is a mapping project? Or is it the magnifying glass that makes you think that? That's our dilemma though isn't it? What ''does'' represent a wiktionary? If you say a book, someone else will say "But it's a website". If you suggest text or a character, someone will say "But that doesn't include ''my'' language". ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 02:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::To me it doesn't look like a magnifying glass but a map pin (like a reversed and stylised version of [[File:Thumbtack.png|35px]]). [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[wikt:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wikt]],[[:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wp]],[[:commons:User:Thryduulf|commons]]) 07:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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An active imagination is a wonderful thing! ;) ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 03:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I like the magnifying glass. Maybe with a stylized book instead of a globe. [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]] 13:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC) It might be worth devoting more room to the handle. Instead of a point a rounded grip of some sort so the whole has the shape of a lop-sided double bubble with a smooth connection in the middle. [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]] 13:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I can picture what you mean, but it sounds like a different proposal. I like the simplicity of this shape and although it looks like there's lots of room in the large size, you have to consider the icon as well. I also really like that it ends in a point! ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 02:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stylised magnifying glass + cuneiform U ==<br />
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{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"<br />
| [[File:WiktLogo-Mag-U-en.svg| 135px]]<br />
| [[File:WiktLogo-Mag-U.svg| 17px]]<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" | [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:WiktLogo-Mag-U.svg|40px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
|}<br />
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A variation of [[User:Rei-artur|Rei-artur]]'s magnifying glass incorporating cuneiform character U 𒌋 (U+1230B), chosen mainly for its shape. Not a totally neutral choice of symbol, but going for a very early form of writing might bring us closer to something universal.<br />
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{| class="prettytable"<br />
! colspan="0" | '''Other variations'''<br />
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| [[:File:WiktLogo-Mag-cuneiform-variations.svg]]<br />
* U U U 𒌍 (U+1230D) www?<br />
* EME 𒅴 (U+12174) ''tongue, language''<br />
* PAN 𒉼 (U+1277C) looks like a W but the sound (or at least the name) implies something more universal<br />
* A 𒀀 (U+12000) merely the first character in the Unicode order because they used alpha order of the names<br />
| [[:File:WiktLogo-Mag-cuneiform-variations2.svg]]<br />
* ERIN2 𒂟 (U+1209F)<br />
* AN 𒀭 (U+1202D)<br />
* HAL 𒄬 (U+1212C)<br />
* KUR 𒆳 (U+121B3)<br />
|}<br />
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There are many other interesting shapes to choose from e.g. AN 𒀭 (U+1202D), ERIN2 𒂟 (U+1209F), HAL 𒄬 (U+1212C), IDIM 𒅂 (U+12142), KUR 𒆳 (U+121B3). ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 05:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Comments===<br />
I like this proposal a lot, particularly the 𒌋 version (the others are more complicated, this is simple - though I might flip the character so that it points forwards instead of backwards). I've edited this proposal to contain one image, to follow the rules at the top. [[User:Conrad.Irwin|Conrad.Irwin]] 20:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I think we're still in a kind of brainstorming phase really. Maybe it would've been better to start with a page with themes and variations on the understanding that concrete single proposals would have to be put on a new page for voting. Actually it would've been best to start with a discussion in general terms of what we want out of a logo, like you would do if you were employing a designer.<br />
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:On the question of logos with or without titles, I think it would be better if we could see every proposal in both forms since that's what we'll see in the end. They're hardly different versions, just different parts of the design. Surely ''someone'' will complain that they didn't vote for ''that'' font.<br />
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:If you flip this one it will look a little like a 'play' symbol...not that there's anything wrong with that. Think I've decided I like one of the others better now (so I'll give it its own section) but this one might need a little tweaking too. It's looking a little thin. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 23:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stylised magnifying glass + cuneiform ERIN2/ERIM ==<br />
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{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"<br />
| [[File:WiktLogo-Mag-ERIN2-en.svg| 135px]]<br />
| [[File:WiktLogo-Mag-ERIN2.svg| 17px]]<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" | [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:WiktLogo-Mag-ERIN2.svg|40px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
|}<br />
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[[User:Rei-artur|Rei-artur]]'s magnifying glass plus cuneiform character ERIN2 𒂟 (U+1209F). This one seems nicely ambiguous to me; sometimes it looks a bit like a lightning bolt, sometimes like a representation of wikilinking, sometimes like vegetation.<br />
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===Comments===<br />
To me it looks like golf tees, and not language or writing at all. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[wikt:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wikt]],[[:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wp]],[[:commons:User:Thryduulf|commons]]) 00:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, but are they ''memorable'' golf tees?<br />
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:Your criterion seems to be that whatever's chosen should be something instantly recognizable and totally understandable to everyone with only one meaning. That's not going to happen.<br />
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:To me it's enough that a logo looks good, is simple and recognizable enough to identify us at icon size and that it has a justification/explanation that is appropriate and ''discoverable'' even if not immediately obvious to everyone. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 02:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::To me, the favicon should just be the golf tees. Maybe a bit Anglo-centric, but those four golf tees could be seen to be a W cut into two pieces that have then been stacked ontop of each other.... ;-) [[User:V85|V85]] 09:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Speech bubble + Globe ==<br />
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{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"<br />
| [[File:WiktLogo-Bubble-WikiGlobe-red.svg| 135px]]<br />
| [[File:WiktLogo-Bubble-WikiGlobe-red.svg| 17px]]<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" | [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:WiktLogo-Bubble-WikiGlobe-red.svg|40px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
|} [[:File:WiktLogo-BubbleCirc-WikiGlobe-red.svg|Variation: circular bubble]]<br />
Speech bubble by [[User:Rei-artur|Rei-artur]] plus a flipped red version of the Meta logo globe. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 08:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Comments===<br />
Like all the speech bubble logos, when you see this in the lineup of Wikimedia logos I expect this to be the logo for Wikiquote. Wiktionary is about language, not just speech. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[wikt:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wikt]],[[:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wp]],[[:commons:User:Thryduulf|commons]]) 07:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:So what ''does'' suggest the totality of all language presented in an electronic, not paper, medium? ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 09:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Speech bubble + scroll==<br />
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{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"<br />
| [[File:Wikt speech bubble scroll.png|135px]] <br />
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[[:File:Wikt speech bubble scroll1.png|also with "Wiktionary" underneath]]<br />
| [[File:Wikt speech bubble scroll.png|17px]]<br />
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| colspan="2" | [[File:Commons-logo-31px.png|31px]] [[File:Wikipedia-logo.png|35px]] [[File:Wikinews-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikt speech bubble scroll.png|42px]] [[File:Wikiquote-logo-51px.png|51px]] [[File:Wikibooks-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikisource-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|35px]] [[File:Wikiversity-logo-41px.png|41px]] [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|35px]]<br />
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Speech bubble by [[User:Rei-artur|Rei-artur]], and I just replaced the schwa in "Speech bubble + schwa" proposal by ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> for a scroll.<br />
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In this logo there's a combination of the two main modalities of natural languages: spoken and written. -[[User talk:Diego UFCG|Di]][[User:Diego UFCG|ego UFCG]] 16:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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It's been a while since my dictionary came in the scroll format. Maybe with a clipart-style book (blank pages, same colours) would be better? [[User:V85|V85]] 09:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Speech bubble + schwa ==<br />
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Speech bubble by [[User:Rei-artur|Rei-artur]] plus a red schwa in Gentium font. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 08:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Yes, it's IPA and yes, you could argue it's Euro-centric. I'd prefer not to use any writing at all, but to some people IPA does suggest info about languages and perhaps dictionaries. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 08:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Of all the logos on this page at the time of writing, this is the only one that says to me “dictionary”. The speech bubble works because dictionaries document language, which can be spoken. IPA symbols, to me, instantly imply “dictionary” or “encyclopedia”. Not only that, but, from my point of view as a native English speaker, they are visually consistent with the Wikipedia logo and its non-English glyphs. Such glyphs have a strong connection to reference sources for me, since that is the only place I am likely to encounter them. However, this does seem fairly Euro-centric and hard to internationalise. But, then again, surely it is in the very nature of a dictionary to mean different things to people who speak different languages, and to be thought of in terms of the language it is written for. (Which is perhaps where the tile and IPA tile logos could shine, by having features of many languages.) —[[Special:Contributions/195.194.50.3|195.194.50.3]] 12:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure why the two posters above say it's Eurocentric. Do only European languages use the sound {{IPA|ə}}?&mdash;[[User:msh210|msh210]]<span class="Unicode" style="font-family:{{Unicode fonts}}; font-family /**/:inherit;">&#x2120;</span> 17:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::No, if fact there are a couple of non-European languages that use schwa as a regular letter in their alphabet, '''but''' it is just a flipped ''Roman'' letter. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 02:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Of the proposals I've seen so far, this is the only one that I actually like. <small>That said, it ''does'' make me think of someone not knowing a word, and saying {{IPA|əːː}} while trying to think of it <code>&nbsp;:-)&nbsp;</code>.</small>&mdash;[[User:msh210|msh210]]<span class="Unicode" style="font-family:{{Unicode fonts}}; font-family /**/:inherit;">&#x2120;</span> 17:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:''not knowing a word, and saying {{IPA|əːː}}'' Really I chose it as a familiar IPA char, but that did also cross my mind...the sound you make before reaching for the dictionary. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 02:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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* Nice color, everything is good except the bubble, it's not a speech, neither a quote, try to find what is that thing that should be there--[[User:LogicBloke|LogicBloke]] 18:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Super W ==<br />
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{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"<br />
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Super W by [[User:Rdquarles|Ralph Quarles]]. {{unsigned|76.228.207.72|01:19, 26 May 2009}}<br />
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I hope I did this right. I normally don't work with Wiki. Please forgive me if I did something wrong. {{unsigned|76.228.207.72|01:19, 26 May 2009}}<br />
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:Uploading the pictures would be a good next step. <br />
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::Ok, I figured it out. Someone should put link to instructions on how to upload for those who are not wiki saavy. {{unsigned|Rdquarles|21:04, 26 May 2009}}<br />
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Glad you got there. It took me a bit of figuring out too. '''Please''' don't just copy big blocks of text though. You keep copying my signature which makes it look like I'm saying what you're saying.<br />
* Put four tildes like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment to sign it<br />
Logo proposals must have copyright assigned to the Wikimedia Foundation...<br />
* go to the [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:WiktionaryContestLogoSuperW.png picture's page]<br />
* click on edit the page and change the copyright info at the end to <nowiki>{{CopyrightByWikimedia}}</nowiki><br />
* save<br />
☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 02:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Thank you so much for your help. I really appreciate it and am so sorry about the signatures. Hope you have a great day! [[User:Rdquarles|Ralph]] 03:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Wiktionary Dictionary Cover ==<br />
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{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"<br />
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Wiktionary Dictionary Cover by [[User:Rdquarles|Ralph Quarles]]. {{unsigned|76.228.207.72|01:19, 26 May 2009}}<br />
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===Comments===<br />
I wanted to make a more simple logo that would go with the other logos at Wiki. [[User:Rdquarles|Ralph]] 03:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not particularly for or against using a book, but I know some people will say that a website is a different thing. What I do have a problem with is using a W in the logo itself. While there are quite a few (European?) languages where the translation for Wiktionary starts with W, there are ''many'' where it doesn't (e.g. Irish: Vicífhoclóir, Chinese: 维基词典, Greek: Βικιλεξικό, Russian: Викисловарь). ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 04:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Good to know. I had another idea, but it too depended on the W. I will have to think about it. [[User:Rdquarles|Ralph]] 05:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It just reproduce the major issue with the original logo: that the logo cannot be used without a specific language marking it, unlike every single other WM project, which are language-independent. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 19:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
No wiktionary will be ever complete! [[User:Lmaltier|Lmaltier]] 08:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Wiktionary "Dictionary" ==<br />
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This is a hand drawn concept by me-as you can see I'm no artist! The idea is that the puzzle pieces are all the same size & we have enough of them to cover all of the main languages & no preference is shown to any of them, which should negate the issues with other alphabets. The letters I have drawn are either made up or borrowed from the globe so obviously not the ones we would want. Localisations of Wiktionary could change the top words "Wiktionary The Free Dictionary" to their language. In terms of colour-it doesn't really need that much colour I think, but that can obviously be open to debate. For the favicon, either a small book or a little puzzle piece with the letter of the localisation-in most cases a W. If anyone thinks this is any good, could you be so kind as to mock a computer version up for me & others to look at? Hope you guys like it! [[User:Dottydotdot|Dottydotdot]] 11:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I obviously support this one! [[User:Dottydotdot|Dottydotdot]] 11:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Looks good to me too! I heard a transient poster once say that it makes no sense to him that we don't just use the Wikipedia logo itself, as it has enormous brand power. Here we can keep that power while still having a different logo for the different project. A great idea I think, but I'm also no artist, so we'll have to wait for someone else to step in. -[[User:Oreo Priest|Oreo Priest]] 13:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::I too like the concept, but am an insufficiently good artist to make a useful version of it. [[user:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[wikt:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wikt]],[[:en:User:Thryduulf|en.wp]],[[:commons:User:Thryduulf|commons]]) 00:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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wiki book {{unsigned|203.206.81.193|09:58, 29 May 2009}}<br />
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I think it would be a ''dreadful'' idea to use the Wikipedia logo itself and not a very good idea to just copy bits of it. They are ''very'' different projects (especially the English ones) and we shouldn't be confusing them like we do now with the identical favicons.<br />
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You're also adding to the burden of localization if you want the favicon localized too. For some scripts it may not be practical at that size anyway. Surely the point of having a logo is that it serves as a unifying symbol. If the icon has to be changed for different projects wouldn't this be undermined? ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 02:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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* I like it, try to draw it on your computer, nice concept .... --[[User:LogicBloke|LogicBloke]] 18:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikimedian reading a book ==<br />
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This logo was created by [[User:Stephane8888]] last time around. It fits in quite well with the other Wikimedia logos: circular shape, same colours, even that 'dot' in the middle. The dot represents the head of a person consulting a dictionary. I have chosen to use two different logos here: One as the logo and for sister site links, and another (completely circular one) for the faveicon, this could of course be changed so that they are completely identical. [[User:V85|V85]] 12:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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It's beautiful in all its elegant simplicity. But is it a dictionary? [[Special:Contributions/70.112.199.133|70.112.199.133]] 02:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I think that's the wrong question. No one has come up with any way of representing the specificity of a wiktionary. No matter what you try it can be challenged as wiktionary is fairly unique and isn't even necessarily formatted the same way across different language versions. It's a person reading a book. That's close enough. If we ''say'' it's a dictionary then it ''is'' a dictionary. Sure it would be nice if we could come up with something that ''would'' say Wiktionary to everyone, but I think that's quite unlikely so the constant questioning about representation on this page is not very productive. Good to aim for, but it seems rather picky in this case.<br />
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:A much more pertinent criticism is the colours. There was a late problem last time about logos being too similar in colour or shape to the Foundation logo [[File:Wikimedia-logo.svg|17px]] and both the Wikispecies logo [[File:Wikispecies-logo-35px.png|17px]] and the Incubator logo [[File:Incubator-notext.svg|17px]] have come in for similar criticism. Put next to the others I think this logo does look quite similar [[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|17px]] [[File:Wiktionary logo Stephane8888 06.svg|17px]] [[File:Wikimedia-logo.svg|17px]] [[File:Incubator-notext.svg|17px]]. Something like changing the centre dot to black [[File:Wiktionary logo Stephane8888 06-black-blue.svg|17px]] [[File:Wiktionary logo Stephane8888 07-black-blue.svg|17px]] and maybe changing the colour of the 'arms' [[File:Wiktionary logo Stephane8888 06-black-red.svg|17px]] [[File:Wiktionary logo Stephane8888 07-black-red.svg|17px]] would probably be enough. ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 06:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Planet_Wikimedia&diff=831280Planet Wikimedia2008-01-12T17:17:52Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Requests for inclusion */ forgot to login, claining that as my own</p>
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* In my (Jakob Voss) blog http://jakoblog.de I also write about Wikimedia/Wikipedia topics in German and English. Can you please add this Feed URL to German Planet Wikimedia?<br> http://jakoblog.de/feed/atom?tag=Wikipedia,Wikimedia -- [[User:Nichtich|Nichtich]] 13:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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#I blog about Wikipedia. You can find my posts about Wikipedia on this URL (http://ikhnaton2.com/whisper/technology/wikipedia). The feed URL is (http://ikhnaton2.com/whisper/technology/wikipedia/feed). Please add it to the Arabic Planet Wikimedia.--[[User:Ikhnaton2|Ikhnaton2]] 22:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* This should be done by [[User:Shipmaster]], as soon as he's all set up with SVN access. Please contact him if the feed does not get included within the next couple of weeks.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 21:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
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#* This doesn't seem to be relevant anymore?--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 23:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
#** Hehe... Our communication is very fast :) No, it isn't relevant anymore. I asked people from #wikimedia-tech to do so. Also, I want to change gat from http://millosh.wordpress.com/category/wikimedia to http://millosh.wordpress.com/category/planet-wikimedia/feed/ because of better manipulation with categories. Again, I'll ask someone with svn access to change it. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 14:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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# <del>'''Update request''' Hello - I'm currently listed as "Urpo Lankinen". Since the Yahoo Pipes thingy is so slow to update at times ''and'' it appears this site can filter by tag anyway, please update that entry to just use the main blog page [http://wwwwolf.livejournal.com/], main feed [http://wwwwolf.livejournal.com/data/atom] and filter on tags "wiki" and "wikipedia" (all tags I use are lowercase). --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 20:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)</del><br />
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# Please, add my blog, El Malak Pharmacy blog, to the Arabic language section. I made a post about specifically about wikipedia urging people to share it and donate to it. <br />
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#Please add http://archiv.twoday.net/topics/Wikis/ with RSS http://archiv.twoday.net/topics/Wikis/index.rdf to the German planet --[[User:Histo|Histo]] 15:56, 3 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
#hi, i would like to be included on the german planet. the feed is under http://piratenblog.wordpress.com/category/wikipedia/feed/ (you can include http://piratenblog.wordpress.com/category/wiki/feed/ too, but it is more general and does not contail all articles about wikipedia) the name of the blog is "Ralphs Piratenblog" or just "Piratenblog" for short. [[User:Elvis untot|Elvis untot]] 15:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Hello please add the blog of Wikimedia Germany to the german planet. The Feed-URL is http://blog.wikimedia.de/feed/ --[[User:Finanzer|Finanzer]] 13:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Could you please change my filtered blog feed to: http://www.martinp23.com/blog/category/wikimedia/feed - thanks! [[User:Martinp23|Mart]]'''[[User_talk:Martinp23|inp23]]''' 20:08, 3 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Please add my notebook to the german planet: http://www.google.com/notebook/public/15241387604284059985/BDRkjSwoQj5rvytgh - feed: http://www.google.com/notebook/feeds/15241387604284059985/notebooks/BDRkjSwoQj5rvytgh --[[User:Thoken|Thoken]] 00:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
# please add the blog.zeno.org to the german planet. There is one section with Wikipedia/zeno-Stuff and in future I want to increase my activity in blogging about articles and stuff related to wikipedia there. -- [[User:89.196.54.202|89.196.54.202]] 19:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC) (Achim Raschka)<br />
# Please add [http://www.nointrigue.com/blog/category/wikipedia/feed/ this category feed] to the English planet, listed under my real name, Enoch Lau. The main page is [http://www.nointrigue.com/blog/ this]. Thanks. [[User:Enochlau|enochlau]] ([[User talk:Enochlau|talk]]) 12:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC) (moved down on 04:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC))<br />
#I have moved my blog. Because this please delete the address http://finanzer.spaces.live.com/ from german planet and add the new address http://www.finanzer.org/blog/. The Feed for entries about wikimedia is now http://www.finanzer.org/blog/index.php/category/wikimedia/feed. Thanks --[[User:Finanzer|Finanzer]] 11:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please add my blog at http://sebmol.com/ with the filtered feed url http://sebmol.com/blog/?cat=8&feed=rss2 to the English planet. [[User:sebmol|sebmol]] [[User talk:sebmol|<sup>?</sup>]] 13:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please add my Wikimedia-Blog "Der unpartheyische Correspondent" to the german planet. The feed is http://www.schulenburg.biz/correspondent/?feed=rss2 --[[User:Frank Schulenburg|Frank Schulenburg]] 21:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please, change my blog feed. Instead of Blogspot, please add a feed http://millosh.wordpress.com/tag/wikimedia/feed/ (Blogspot has some bug + I am moving my blog to Wordpress.) Thanks. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 09:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#: Hm. Blogger is weird. After more then a day, it added a the article to the feed, even I removed the article. It seems that it is better to move to Wordpress. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 18:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#My blog is about various Wikimedia projects, my life editing, and other stuff. See the sub-title on the page. [http://wikilaw.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default feeds page] [http://wikilaw.blogspot.com normal page] [[User:Swatjester|Swatjester]] 01:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* Can you add a generic "wiki" category so I can filter on it? Otherwise if it includes personal posts, I need to know the preferred tag to filter on.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 04:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#My Blog http://finanzer.spaces.live.com/ is mainly about Wikipedia and some other Wikimedia projects. Sometimes i will add some posts about other things. But i have a category called Wikipedia. The feed for this category is http://finanzer.spaces.live.com/category/Wikipedia/feed.rss. Please add it to german planet. Thanks --[[User:Finanzer|Finanzer]] 08:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Sure, count me in as an English blogger: [http://lunasantin.blogspot.com Here's] the blog, and http://lunasantin.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default/-/wikimedia for the specific feed. [[User:Luna Santin|Luna Santin]] 00:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# [http://blog.nickj.org/category/wiki/feed/ Filtered feed], listed under Nick Jenkins, please. -- All the best, [[User:Nickj|Nickj]] 09:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# I started a new blog in German centered on Wikimedia and its projects. The blog is at http://blog.dapete.de/, the feed url for wiki-relevant posts is http://blog.dapete.de/kategorie/wiki/feed. I'd like to be listed as "Peter Schlömer (Dapete)". --[[User:Dapete|Dapete]][[User talk:Dapete|ばか]] 09:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#I have created a new blog feed for the planned "Wikimedia Pennsylvania" chapter. The URL is: http://wmfpa.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default Could you please call it "Wikimedia Pennsylvania"? --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] 19:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Please change my RSS feed to [http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/category/wiki/feed this] link - that's just category "wiki" - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 22:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
#I would like to have my blog included in the '''German section'''. I am planning to blog from the Wikimania 2007 as well. The specific feed URL is: [http://www.perspektive89.com/taxonomy/term/1089/9/feed - Wiki Feed] [[User:Mario Behling|Mario Behling]] 06:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please add [http://pathos.ca/blog/?cat=3&feed=rss2 pathos.ca/blog/?cat=3&feed=rss2]. I really should have joined sooner— there is a detailed summary of the board candidates that I'd like aggregated before the board elections are over next week. —<small>{[[Meta:Admins|admin]]} [[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 07:51:26, 01 July 2007 (UTC)</small><br />
#Please include my free layers blog in the English section. The wiki specific feed URL is: http://freelayers.org/tag/wiki/feed/atom/ [[User:Mario Behling|Mario Behling]] 11:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# I would like to have my blog added in the English section. [http://wednesdaymorning.wordpress.com/tag/wiki/feed Here] is the filtered feed. Please add it with the signature Guillaume Paumier. Thanks in advance. [[user:guillom|guillom]] 13:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#:Thanks! [[user:guillom|guillom]] 19:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Update for sleepyhead.org, switched to tags rather than categories. New url is [http://sleepyhead.org/tag/wikipedia/feed http://sleepyhead.org/tag/wikipedia/feed]. Thanks. - [[User:Cohesion|Cohesion]] 03:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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# T. Mills Kelly's [http://edwired.org edwired]. "Wikis" category: http://edwired.org/?cat=14 (I'm not sure how to get the filtered feed for this category; if it can't be done, then better not to add it, as most posts are not wiki-related)--[[User:Ragesoss|Ragesoss]] 00:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* I'm currently only adding blogs with the permission of the bloggers, to avoid copyright issues.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 05:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
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# My main feed is at http://evan.prodromou.name/rss , and I've filtered it for wiki-specific tags through Yahoo Pipes, with a feed here: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=psLszYsE3BGPFsL71fC6Jw&_render=rss . Can I add myself? --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
#*Rather than having two different conversations about this feed (one in private email for wikiblogplanet between Evan and me, and one here for planet wikimedia), since they're very similar conversations, can we maybe have the conversation here? I ''very'' much want Evan's feed on both planets, but do I have to point out that the structure of this feed is a little different from most feeds. Let me take the feed output for "20 Floréal CCXV" as an example, which has 4 sections, that are tagged respectively as:<br />
#:*tags: wikitravel wiki montreal amitajune toc<br />
#:*tags: rocococamp barcamp barcampmontreal recentchangescamp<br />
#:*tags: kanren scheme the reasoned schemer logic prolog<br />
#:*tags: domains ib joker godaddy phonojournalist phrygian cap<br />
#:So what I would be expecting is the first and second items, but not the third and fourth (I'm here assuming the "barcamp" + "wiki" + "recentchangescamp" + "rocococamp" + "sxsw07" + "mediawiki" tags are the ones that yahoo pipes is filtering on, and those tags, or something very like them, would probably be suitable and on-topic for planet wikimedia). However, looking at the source of the feed, the 4 posts for 20 Floréal CCXV are inside one <item> tag (i.e. it's doing it by day, rather than by item or by section). Looking at the source http://evan.prodromou.name/rss feed, it's all one <item> per day too, so it's not anything that yahoo are doing. If I understand correctly, this means that the third and fourth non-wiki items / sections in the above example would not be filtered out. Maybe that's an issue, and maybe it's not. -- All the best, [[User:Nickj|Nickj]] 00:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
#:: As is I am reluctant to accept this feed, as it would lead to lots of posts that are off-topic on the main planet. Can this be fixed somehow? I'd love to have the wiki posts.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 19:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
#::: It won't lead to ''lots'' of posts that are off-topic. Just occasionally I have posts that include both wiki and non-wiki items on the same page. I'll see what I can do to filter the non-wiki sections out. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 15:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Flosse Posse blog about Free, Libre and Open Source Software and Content in Education. Feed at: http://feeds.feedburner.com/FlossePosse --[[User:Teemul|Teemul]] 14:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* No wiki category - blogs in the Wikimedia planet are filtered down to posts that are relevant to Wikimedia or wikis in general.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 19:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
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* [[/fr|Français]] - [http://fr.planet.wikimedia.org fr.planet.wikimedia.org]<br />
* [[/pl|Polski]] - [http://pl.planet.wikimedia.org pl.planet.wikimedia.org]<br />
* [[w:pt:Wikipedia:Planet|Português]] - [http://pt.planet.wikimedia.org pt.planet.wikimedia.org]<br />
* [[/sr|Српски / Srpski]] - [http://sr.planet.wikimedia.org sr.planet.wikimedia.org] (Domain name is being redirected to the planet)<br />
* [[:ru:Википедия:Планета Викимедиа|Русский]] - [http://ru.planet.wikimedia.org ru.planet.wikimedia.org]<br />
* [[/zh|中文]] - [http://zh.planet.wikimedia.org zh.planet.wikimedia.org]<br />
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[http://open.wikiblogplanet.com/ Open Wiki Blog Planet], run by [[:en:User:Nickj]], offers a less filtered feed. It can be edited [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nickj/open-wikiblogplanet-config.ini here].<br />
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[http://blog.nickj.org/2007/03/26/five-new-language-incubators-wiki-planets/ There are three incubator planets], which will be redirected to the Planet Wikimedia sites as and when they come online, so please add feeds following the directions on this page:<br />
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* [http://zh.incubator.wikiblogplanet.com/ Chinese / zh planet incubator] - [[User:Nickj/zh-incubator-wikiblogplanet-config.ini|edit zh feeds]].<br />
* [http://ru.incubator.wikiblogplanet.com/ Russian / ru planet incubator] - [[User:Nickj/ru-incubator-wikiblogplanet-config.ini|edit ru feeds]].</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Planet_Wikimedia&diff=777510Planet Wikimedia2007-12-04T20:35:20Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Requests for inclusion */</p>
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[http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ Planet Wikimedia] is a [[w:weblog|weblog]] [[W:aggregator|aggregator]] operated by the [[Wikimedia Foundation]], to bring together on-topic posts about wikis from Wikimedia community members. If you run a blog, and you want to be included, you need to explicitly ''opt-in'' (see below). <br />
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Planet Wikimedia fetches [[en:RSS|RSS]] feeds every hour from selected [[Wikimedians who blog]] and aggregates the content of on-topic posts at <http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/> (and other language subdomains).<br />
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== Who and what can be included? ==<br />
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* Any blogger who is also an active participant in any [[wikimedia:Our_projects|Wikimedia project]], or in the development of [[mw:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]], is qualified to be included in the aggregator.<br />
* Any post about wikis, Wikimedia projects, or MediaWiki is considered to be on-topic, unless there is consensus among readers to the contrary.<br />
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Please complain on the [[Talk:Planet Wikimedia|discussion page]] if you feel that a particular blogger's posts are causing the signal-to-noise ratio to decrease.<br />
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== How do I get in? ==<br />
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In order to be included, your RSS feed ''must'' either be filtered to on-topic posts (e.g. by tagging all relevant posts with "wiki" and providing a feed to this tag), or your blog must be almost exclusively focused on this topic. The very occasional off-topic post is permitted, but given that Planet Wikimedia is intended to scale to hundreds of blogs, please exercise appropriate self-restraint.<br />
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Common blogging engines like Wordpress and Blogger support label-specific feeds. In both cases, these are not obvious. For Wordpress, the feed URL is something like <http://yourwebsite.com/blog/?cat=9&feed=rss2> or <http://yourblog.com/blog/category/wiki/feed>. For Blogger, see [http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=53336 this help entry]. If you specify the URL of your blog, and make sure to add the category/tag/label "wiki" to your posts, we will help you to try to figure out whether a category-specific feed exists for your blog.<br />
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Blogs can be listed under your real name, your user name (which will be prefixed with "User:" in the list of authors), or both, e.g. ''Alan Smithee (Dogmaster3000)''. Please indicate your preference; if you indicate none, only the real name (if available) will be used. For group blogs the blog title will be used.<br />
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In the spirit of Wikimedia's commitment to free content, we encourage you to consider putting your blog content under a [http://freedomdefined.org/Definition free license]. In the spirit of Wikimedia's commitment to an unnecessary inflation of userboxes, you can also add a [[w:Template:User_Planet|Planet Userbox]] to your userpage. ;-)<br />
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=== Requests for inclusion ===<br />
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To be included in the planet, simply list your blog below, together with a '''feed URL''' (preferably to a filtered feed), and your signature. Any [[developer]] with access to the [[mw:Subversion|Subversion server]] can add your feed.<br />
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#I blog about Wikipedia. You can find my posts about Wikipedia on this URL (http://ikhnaton2.com/whisper/technology/wikipedia). The feed URL is (http://ikhnaton2.com/whisper/technology/wikipedia/feed). Please add it to the Arabic Planet Wikimedia.--[[User:Ikhnaton2|Ikhnaton2]] 22:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* This should be done by [[User:Shipmaster]], as soon as he's all set up with SVN access. Please contact him if the feed does not get included within the next couple of weeks.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 21:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Finally I realized that there is a problem with WordPress switch from "tag" to "category". Please, change all WordPress blogs: s#wordpress.com/tag#wordpress.com/category# --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 22:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* This doesn't seem to be relevant anymore?--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 23:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
#** Hehe... Our communication is very fast :) No, it isn't relevant anymore. I asked people from #wikimedia-tech to do so. Also, I want to change gat from http://millosh.wordpress.com/category/wikimedia to http://millosh.wordpress.com/category/planet-wikimedia/feed/ because of better manipulation with categories. Again, I'll ask someone with svn access to change it. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 14:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please add my recently created notebook to the portuguese planet:<br />
:http://www.google.com/notebook/public/05959439175835756100/BDQjbSwoQzfqqucci<br />
:Feed:<br />
:http://www.google.com/notebook/feeds/05959439175835756100/notebooks/BDQjbSwoQzfqqucci<br />
:--[[User:Spoladore|Spoladore]] 14:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Please add http://archiv.twoday.net/topics/Wikis/ with RSS http://archiv.twoday.net/topics/Wikis/index.rdf to the German planet --[[User:Histo|Histo]] 15:56, 3 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
# '''Update request''' Hello - I'm currently listed as "Urpo Lankinen". Since the Yahoo Pipes thingy is so slow to update at times ''and'' it appears this site can filter by tag anyway, please update that entry to just use the main blog page [http://wwwwolf.livejournal.com/], main feed [http://wwwwolf.livejournal.com/data/atom] and filter on tags "wiki" and "wikipedia" (all tags I use are lowercase). --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 20:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== Requests for Removal ===<br />
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# ''Wikinews Reports'' http://wikinewsreports.blogspot.com/ - please remove that blog from the planet, since it (mostly) does not contain related to Wikimedia projects but rather just content reproduced from Wikinews. -- [[Special:Contributions/89.13.186.155|89.13.186.155]] 18:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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#Could you please change my filtered blog feed to: http://www.martinp23.com/blog/category/wikimedia/feed - thanks! [[User:Martinp23|Mart]]'''[[User_talk:Martinp23|inp23]]''' 20:08, 3 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Please add my notebook to the german planet: http://www.google.com/notebook/public/15241387604284059985/BDRkjSwoQj5rvytgh - feed: http://www.google.com/notebook/feeds/15241387604284059985/notebooks/BDRkjSwoQj5rvytgh --[[User:Thoken|Thoken]] 00:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
# please add the blog.zeno.org to the german planet. There is one section with Wikipedia/zeno-Stuff and in future I want to increase my activity in blogging about articles and stuff related to wikipedia there. -- [[User:89.196.54.202|89.196.54.202]] 19:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC) (Achim Raschka)<br />
# Please add [http://www.nointrigue.com/blog/category/wikipedia/feed/ this category feed] to the English planet, listed under my real name, Enoch Lau. The main page is [http://www.nointrigue.com/blog/ this]. Thanks. [[User:Enochlau|enochlau]] ([[User talk:Enochlau|talk]]) 12:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC) (moved down on 04:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC))<br />
#I have moved my blog. Because this please delete the address http://finanzer.spaces.live.com/ from german planet and add the new address http://www.finanzer.org/blog/. The Feed for entries about wikimedia is now http://www.finanzer.org/blog/index.php/category/wikimedia/feed. Thanks --[[User:Finanzer|Finanzer]] 11:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please add my blog at http://sebmol.com/ with the filtered feed url http://sebmol.com/blog/?cat=8&feed=rss2 to the English planet. [[User:sebmol|sebmol]] [[User talk:sebmol|<sup>?</sup>]] 13:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please add my Wikimedia-Blog "Der unpartheyische Correspondent" to the german planet. The feed is http://www.schulenburg.biz/correspondent/?feed=rss2 --[[User:Frank Schulenburg|Frank Schulenburg]] 21:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please, change my blog feed. Instead of Blogspot, please add a feed http://millosh.wordpress.com/tag/wikimedia/feed/ (Blogspot has some bug + I am moving my blog to Wordpress.) Thanks. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 09:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#: Hm. Blogger is weird. After more then a day, it added a the article to the feed, even I removed the article. It seems that it is better to move to Wordpress. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 18:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#My blog is about various Wikimedia projects, my life editing, and other stuff. See the sub-title on the page. [http://wikilaw.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default feeds page] [http://wikilaw.blogspot.com normal page] [[User:Swatjester|Swatjester]] 01:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* Can you add a generic "wiki" category so I can filter on it? Otherwise if it includes personal posts, I need to know the preferred tag to filter on.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 04:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#My Blog http://finanzer.spaces.live.com/ is mainly about Wikipedia and some other Wikimedia projects. Sometimes i will add some posts about other things. But i have a category called Wikipedia. The feed for this category is http://finanzer.spaces.live.com/category/Wikipedia/feed.rss. Please add it to german planet. Thanks --[[User:Finanzer|Finanzer]] 08:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Sure, count me in as an English blogger: [http://lunasantin.blogspot.com Here's] the blog, and http://lunasantin.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default/-/wikimedia for the specific feed. [[User:Luna Santin|Luna Santin]] 00:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# [http://blog.nickj.org/category/wiki/feed/ Filtered feed], listed under Nick Jenkins, please. -- All the best, [[User:Nickj|Nickj]] 09:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# I started a new blog in German centered on Wikimedia and its projects. The blog is at http://blog.dapete.de/, the feed url for wiki-relevant posts is http://blog.dapete.de/kategorie/wiki/feed. I'd like to be listed as "Peter Schlömer (Dapete)". --[[User:Dapete|Dapete]][[User talk:Dapete|ばか]] 09:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#I have created a new blog feed for the planned "Wikimedia Pennsylvania" chapter. The URL is: http://wmfpa.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default Could you please call it "Wikimedia Pennsylvania"? --[[User:Whiteknight|Whiteknight]] 19:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Please change my RSS feed to [http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/category/wiki/feed this] link - that's just category "wiki" - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 22:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
#I would like to have my blog included in the '''German section'''. I am planning to blog from the Wikimania 2007 as well. The specific feed URL is: [http://www.perspektive89.com/taxonomy/term/1089/9/feed - Wiki Feed] [[User:Mario Behling|Mario Behling]] 06:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please add [http://pathos.ca/blog/?cat=3&feed=rss2 pathos.ca/blog/?cat=3&feed=rss2]. I really should have joined sooner— there is a detailed summary of the board candidates that I'd like aggregated before the board elections are over next week. —<small>{[[Meta:Admins|admin]]} [[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 07:51:26, 01 July 2007 (UTC)</small><br />
#Please include my free layers blog in the English section. The wiki specific feed URL is: http://freelayers.org/tag/wiki/feed/atom/ [[User:Mario Behling|Mario Behling]] 11:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# I would like to have my blog added in the English section. [http://wednesdaymorning.wordpress.com/tag/wiki/feed Here] is the filtered feed. Please add it with the signature Guillaume Paumier. Thanks in advance. [[user:guillom|guillom]] 13:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
#:Thanks! [[user:guillom|guillom]] 19:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Update for sleepyhead.org, switched to tags rather than categories. New url is [http://sleepyhead.org/tag/wikipedia/feed http://sleepyhead.org/tag/wikipedia/feed]. Thanks. - [[User:Cohesion|Cohesion]] 03:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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# T. Mills Kelly's [http://edwired.org edwired]. "Wikis" category: http://edwired.org/?cat=14 (I'm not sure how to get the filtered feed for this category; if it can't be done, then better not to add it, as most posts are not wiki-related)--[[User:Ragesoss|Ragesoss]] 00:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* I'm currently only adding blogs with the permission of the bloggers, to avoid copyright issues.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 05:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
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# My main feed is at http://evan.prodromou.name/rss , and I've filtered it for wiki-specific tags through Yahoo Pipes, with a feed here: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=psLszYsE3BGPFsL71fC6Jw&_render=rss . Can I add myself? --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
#*Rather than having two different conversations about this feed (one in private email for wikiblogplanet between Evan and me, and one here for planet wikimedia), since they're very similar conversations, can we maybe have the conversation here? I ''very'' much want Evan's feed on both planets, but do I have to point out that the structure of this feed is a little different from most feeds. Let me take the feed output for "20 Floréal CCXV" as an example, which has 4 sections, that are tagged respectively as:<br />
#:*tags: wikitravel wiki montreal amitajune toc<br />
#:*tags: rocococamp barcamp barcampmontreal recentchangescamp<br />
#:*tags: kanren scheme the reasoned schemer logic prolog<br />
#:*tags: domains ib joker godaddy phonojournalist phrygian cap<br />
#:So what I would be expecting is the first and second items, but not the third and fourth (I'm here assuming the "barcamp" + "wiki" + "recentchangescamp" + "rocococamp" + "sxsw07" + "mediawiki" tags are the ones that yahoo pipes is filtering on, and those tags, or something very like them, would probably be suitable and on-topic for planet wikimedia). However, looking at the source of the feed, the 4 posts for 20 Floréal CCXV are inside one <item> tag (i.e. it's doing it by day, rather than by item or by section). Looking at the source http://evan.prodromou.name/rss feed, it's all one <item> per day too, so it's not anything that yahoo are doing. If I understand correctly, this means that the third and fourth non-wiki items / sections in the above example would not be filtered out. Maybe that's an issue, and maybe it's not. -- All the best, [[User:Nickj|Nickj]] 00:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
#:: As is I am reluctant to accept this feed, as it would lead to lots of posts that are off-topic on the main planet. Can this be fixed somehow? I'd love to have the wiki posts.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 19:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
#::: It won't lead to ''lots'' of posts that are off-topic. Just occasionally I have posts that include both wiki and non-wiki items on the same page. I'll see what I can do to filter the non-wiki sections out. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 15:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Flosse Posse blog about Free, Libre and Open Source Software and Content in Education. Feed at: http://feeds.feedburner.com/FlossePosse --[[User:Teemul|Teemul]] 14:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* No wiki category - blogs in the Wikimedia planet are filtered down to posts that are relevant to Wikimedia or wikis in general.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 19:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Other languages ==<br />
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The Planet at en.planet.wikimedia.org is for English language posts and blogs. To request a planet in your language, please see [[Planet Wikimedia/New language]].<br />
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* [[/ar|العربية]] - [http://ar.planet.wikimedia.org ar.planet.wikimedia.org]<br />
* [[/pl|polski]] - [http://pl.planet.wikimedia.org pl.planet.wikimedia.org]<br />
* [[/zh|中文]] - [http://zh.planet.wikimedia.org zh.planet.wikimedia.org]<br />
* [[/de|Deutsch]] - [http://de.planet.wikimedia.org de.planet.wikimedia.org]<br />
* [[w:pt:Wikipedia:Planet|Portuguese]] - [http://pt.planet.wikimedia.org pt.planet.wikimedia.org]<br />
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== Alternatives ==<br />
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===English===<br />
[http://open.wikiblogplanet.com/ Open Wiki Blog Planet], run by [[:en:User:Nickj]], offers a less filtered feed. It can be edited [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nickj/open-wikiblogplanet-config.ini here].<br />
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===Polish===<br />
http://adamdziura.9g.pl/wikipedia/planetawiki/<br />
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=== French / Chinese / Russian incubator planets ===<br />
[http://blog.nickj.org/2007/03/26/five-new-language-incubators-wiki-planets/ There are three incubator planets], which will be redirected to the Planet Wikimedia sites as and when they come online, so please add feeds following the directions on this page:<br />
* [http://fr.incubator.wikiblogplanet.com/ French / fr planet incubator] - [[User:Nickj/fr-incubator-wikiblogplanet-config.ini|edit fr feeds]].<br />
* [http://zh.incubator.wikiblogplanet.com/ Chinese / zh planet incubator] - [[User:Nickj/zh-incubator-wikiblogplanet-config.ini|edit zh feeds]].<br />
* [http://ru.incubator.wikiblogplanet.com/ Russian / ru planet incubator] - [[User:Nickj/ru-incubator-wikiblogplanet-config.ini|edit ru feeds]].</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wwwwolf&diff=767738User:Wwwwolf2007-11-28T11:32:27Z<p>Wwwwolf: fi.wikinews; no idea how to link there for real =)</p>
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<div><p style="text-align: center; font-size: 130%;">'''A frequently confused wolf!!!'''</p><br />
[[Image:Canis lupus portrait.jpg|center|"What's going ''on''?"]]<br />
<p style="text-align: center;">"What's going ''on''???"</p><br />
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{| style="background: inherit; border: thin dashed black; padding: 3px; margin: 5px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; width: 400px; text-align: Center"<br />
! style="background: #ffe;" | Wikimedia projects<br />
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<div style="background: #eef; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[:en:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikipedia]] (sysop) • <br />
[[:fi:Käyttäjä:Wwwwolf|Suomenkielinen Wikipedia]] • <br />
[[b:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikibooks]] • <br />
[[q:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikiquote]] • <br />
[[wiktionary:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikitionary]] • <br />
[[wikispecies:User:Wwwwolf|Wikispecies]] • <br />
[[wikinews:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikinews]] • <br />
[[wikinews:fi:Käyttäjä:Wwwwolf|Wikiuutiset]] • <br />
[[v:User:Wwwwolf|Wikiversity]] • <br />
[[commons:User:Wwwwolf|Wikimedia Commons]] • <br />
[[wikisource:User:Wwwwolf|Wikisource]] • <br />
[[m:User:Wwwwolf|Wikimedia Meta-Wiki]]<br />
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<div style="background: #efe; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[wikicities:User:Wwwwolf|Wikia main]] • <br />
[[uncyclopedia:User:Wwwwolf|Uncyclopedia]] • <br />
[[wikia:ultima:User:Wwwwolf|Ultima]] (sysop) • <br />
[[wikia:doom:User:Wwwwolf|DooM]] • <br />
[[wikifur:User:Wwwwolf|WikiFur]] • <br />
[[finalfantasy:User:Wwwwolf|Final Fantasy]] • <br />
[[wikia:metroid:User:Wwwwolf|Wikitroid]] • <br />
[[memoryalpha:User:Wwwwolf|Memory Alpha]]<br />
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! style="background: #ffe;" | And elsewhere!<br />
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<div style="background: #efe; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[StrategyWiki:User:Wwwwolf|StrategyWiki]] • <br />
<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.uesp.net/wiki/User:Wwwwolf UESP]</span> • <br />
<span class="plainlinks">[http://zeldawiki.org/User:Wwwwolf Zelda Wiki]</span> • <br />
[[hrwiki:User:Wwwwolf|Homestar Runner Wiki]]<br />
</div><br />
|}</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wwwwolf&diff=756145User:Wwwwolf2007-11-21T20:17:50Z<p>Wwwwolf: more wikis</p>
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<div><p style="text-align: center; font-size: 130%;">'''A frequently confused wolf!!!'''</p><br />
[[Image:Canis lupus portrait.jpg|center|"What's going ''on''?"]]<br />
<p style="text-align: center;">"What's going ''on''???"</p><br />
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{| style="background: inherit; border: thin dashed black; padding: 3px; margin: 5px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; width: 400px; text-align: Center"<br />
! style="background: #ffe;" | Wikimedia projects<br />
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<div style="background: #eef; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[:en:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikipedia]] (sysop) • <br />
[[:fi:Käyttäjä:Wwwwolf|Suomenkielinen Wikipedia]] • <br />
[[b:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikibooks]] • <br />
[[q:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikiquote]] • <br />
[[wiktionary:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikitionary]] • <br />
[[wikispecies:User:Wwwwolf|Wikispecies]] • <br />
[[wikinews:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikinews]] • <br />
[[v:User:Wwwwolf|Wikiversity]] • <br />
[[commons:User:Wwwwolf|Wikimedia Commons]] • <br />
[[wikisource:User:Wwwwolf|Wikisource]] • <br />
[[m:User:Wwwwolf|Wikimedia Meta-Wiki]]<br />
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! style="background: #ffe;" | Wikia<br />
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<div style="background: #efe; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[wikicities:User:Wwwwolf|Wikia main]] • <br />
[[uncyclopedia:User:Wwwwolf|Uncyclopedia]] • <br />
[[wikia:ultima:User:Wwwwolf|Ultima]] (sysop) • <br />
[[wikia:doom:User:Wwwwolf|DooM]] • <br />
[[wikifur:User:Wwwwolf|WikiFur]] • <br />
[[finalfantasy:User:Wwwwolf|Final Fantasy]] • <br />
[[wikia:metroid:User:Wwwwolf|Wikitroid]] • <br />
[[memoryalpha:User:Wwwwolf|Memory Alpha]]<br />
</div><br />
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! style="background: #ffe;" | And elsewhere!<br />
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<div style="background: #efe; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[StrategyWiki:User:Wwwwolf|StrategyWiki]] • <br />
<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.uesp.net/wiki/User:Wwwwolf UESP]</span> • <br />
<span class="plainlinks">[http://zeldawiki.org/User:Wwwwolf Zelda Wiki]</span> • <br />
[[hrwiki:User:Wwwwolf|Homestar Runner Wiki]]<br />
</div><br />
|}</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Finnish&diff=751266Requests for new languages/Wikinews Finnish2007-11-17T14:28:17Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Arguments in favour */</p>
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<div>===Finnish Wikinews===<br />
{{ls-header|open|<br />
{{ls-status|wn-fi}} —<small>{[[Meta:Admins|admin]]} [[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 19:59:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)</small><br />
}}<br />
{{New language proposal<br />
|language = [[w:Finnish language|Finnish]] (''suomi'', fi ISO 639-1)<br />
|community = [[User:AtteL|AtteL]] ('''N''') [[User:Argus|Argus]] ('''N''') [[User:Str4nd|Str4nd]] ('''N''') [[User:Nysalor|Nysalor]] ('''NP''') [[User:Roquai|Roquai]] ('''N''')<br />
|links = [[Wikinews/Start a new edition#Finnish]], old signatures<br />
|external = [[incubator:Wn/fi|Finnish Wikinews in Incubator]]<br />
}}<br />
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Finnish is the main language of [[w:Finland|Finland]] with about 6 million speakers. [[fi:|Finnish Wikipedia]] is very popular in Finland, and it has over 120,000 articles, ranked with that amount the 13. biggest Wikipedia.<br />
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We had a suggestion in [[Wikinews/Start a new edition#Finnish|here]], but it didn't apparently pass (because of Incubator inactivity?), so I'm suggesting again to get own Finnish language Wikinews.<br />
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====Arguments in favour====<br />
*Active test project. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|OosWesThoesBes]] 06:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
*I agree with text above, finnish Wikipedia shows that there might be lot of editors to WikiNews too. Activity of finnish Wikinews in Incubator is growing day by day. Many editors add actual present news to Wikipedia daily, and what is those relevance after couple of years, zero. Wikipedia is not right place to news, Wikinews is. [[User:Argus|Argus]] 15:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
*And I agree with Argus. User AM. --[[User:Alexius Manfelt|Alexius Manfelt]] 21:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
*I agree with Argus too (see above). --[[User:Str4nd|Str4nd]] 15:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
* Finnish media use Finnish Wikipedia as a source, so there would be room for Finnish Wikinews, too. – [[User:Nysalor|Nysalor]] 16:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
*Yes, yes. Incubator is now more active.--[[User:AtteL|AtteL]] 19:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
*And I agree with Argus too. --[[User:Roquai|Roquai]] 21:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
* as Argus. --[[User:Joonasl|Joonasl]] 12:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
* as Argus. --[[User:Johney|Johney]] 17:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
* Why not? There are not many users at the moment, but they seem to be very enthusiastic. Furthermore, there aren't many active Finnish Wikipedians who'd find this project through Incubator, and I'd imagine that proper Wikinews could spur a significant increase in usership. –[[User:Ejs-80|Ejs-80]] 01:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
* Argus said it. [[User:Kallerna|Kallerna]] 13:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
* We definitely need this; Other Wikimedia projects have nice enough rate of participation in Finnish and I don't see any reason why Finnish Wikinews wouldn't fly. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 14:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wwwwolf&diff=636937User:Wwwwolf2007-07-29T07:53:35Z<p>Wwwwolf: Ultima</p>
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<div><p style="text-align: center; font-size: 130%;">'''A frequently confused wolf!!!'''</p><br />
[[Image:Canis lupus portrait.jpg|center|"What's going ''on''?"]]<br />
<p style="text-align: center;">"What's going ''on''???"</p><br />
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{| style="background: inherit; border: thin dashed black; padding: 3px; margin: 5px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; width: 400px; text-align: Center"<br />
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<div style="background: #eef; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[:en:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikipedia]] (sysop) • <br />
[[:fi:Käyttäjä:Wwwwolf|Suomenkielinen Wikipedia]] • <br />
[[b:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikibooks]] • <br />
[[q:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikiquote]] • <br />
[[wiktionary:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikitionary]] • <br />
[[wikispecies:User:Wwwwolf|Wikispecies]] • <br />
[[wikinews:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikinews]] • <br />
[[v:User:Wwwwolf|Wikiversity]] • <br />
[[commons:User:Wwwwolf|Wikimedia Commons]] • <br />
[[wikisource:User:Wwwwolf|Wikisource]] • <br />
[[m:User:Wwwwolf|Wikimedia Meta-Wiki]]<br />
</div><br />
|-<br />
! style="background: #ffe;" | Wikia<br />
|-<br />
|<br />
<div style="background: #efe; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[wikicities:User:Wwwwolf|Wikia main]] • <br />
[[uncyclopedia:User:Wwwwolf|Uncyclopedia]] • <br />
[[wikia:ultima:User:Wwwwolf|Ultima]] (sysop) • <br />
[[wikia:doom:User:Wwwwolf|DooM]] • <br />
[[wikifur:User:Wwwwolf|WikiFur]] • <br />
[[finalfantasy:User:Wwwwolf|Final Fantasy]] • <br />
[[wikia:metroid:User:Wwwwolf|Wikitroid]] • <br />
[[memoryalpha:User:Wwwwolf|Memory Alpha]]<br />
</div><br />
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! style="background: #ffe;" | And elsewhere!<br />
|-<br />
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<div style="background: #efe; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[StrategyWiki:User:Wwwwolf|StrategyWiki]] • <br />
[[hrwiki:User:Wwwwolf|Homestar Runner Wiki]]<br />
</div><br />
|}</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wwwwolf&diff=626586User:Wwwwolf2007-07-12T10:25:46Z<p>Wwwwolf: </p>
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<div><p style="text-align: center; font-size: 130%;">'''A frequently confused wolf!!!'''</p><br />
[[Image:Canis lupus portrait.jpg|center|"What's going ''on''?"]]<br />
<p style="text-align: center;">"What's going ''on''???"</p><br />
<br />
{| style="background: inherit; border: thin dashed black; padding: 3px; margin: 5px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; width: 400px; text-align: Center"<br />
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<div style="background: #eef; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[:en:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikipedia]] (sysop) • <br />
[[:fi:Käyttäjä:Wwwwolf|Suomenkielinen Wikipedia]] • <br />
[[b:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikibooks]] • <br />
[[q:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikiquote]] • <br />
[[wiktionary:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikitionary]] • <br />
[[wikispecies:User:Wwwwolf|Wikispecies]] • <br />
[[wikinews:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikinews]] • <br />
[[v:User:Wwwwolf|Wikiversity]] • <br />
[[commons:User:Wwwwolf|Wikimedia Commons]] • <br />
[[wikisource:User:Wwwwolf|Wikisource]] • <br />
[[m:User:Wwwwolf|Wikimedia Meta-Wiki]]<br />
</div><br />
|-<br />
! style="background: #ffe;" | Wikia<br />
|-<br />
|<br />
<div style="background: #efe; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[wikicities:User:Wwwwolf|Wikia main]] • <br />
[[uncyclopedia:User:Wwwwolf|Uncyclopedia]] • <br />
[[wikia:doom:User:Wwwwolf|DooM]] • <br />
[[wikifur:User:Wwwwolf|WikiFur]] • <br />
[[finalfantasy:User:Wwwwolf|Final Fantasy]] • <br />
[[wikia:metroid:User:Wwwwolf|Wikitroid]] • <br />
[[memoryalpha:User:Wwwwolf|Memory Alpha]]<br />
</div><br />
|-<br />
! style="background: #ffe;" | And elsewhere!<br />
|-<br />
|<br />
<div style="background: #efe; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[StrategyWiki:User:Wwwwolf|StrategyWiki]] • <br />
[[hrwiki:User:Wwwwolf|Homestar Runner Wiki]]<br />
</div><br />
|}</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wwwwolf&diff=626579User:Wwwwolf2007-07-12T10:23:47Z<p>Wwwwolf: A major revision with more links and stuff!</p>
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<div><p style="text-align: center; font-size: 130%;">'''A frequently confused wolf!!!'''</p><br />
[[Image:Canis lupus portrait.jpg|center|"What's going ''on''?"]]<br />
<p style="text-align: center;">"What's going ''on''???"</p><br />
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{| style="background: inherit; border: thin dashed black; padding: 3px; margin: 5px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; width: 400px; text-align: Center"<br />
! style="background: #ffe;" | Wikimedia projects<br />
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<div style="background: #eef; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[:en:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikipedia]] (sysop) • <br />
[[:fi:Käyttäjä:Wwwwolf|Suomenkielinen Wikipedia]] • <br />
[[b:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikibooks]] • <br />
[[q:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikiquote]] • <br />
[[wiktionary:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikitionary]] • <br />
[[wikispecies:User:Wwwwolf|Wikispecies]]<br />
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[[wikinews:User:Wwwwolf|English Wikinews]] • <br />
[[v:User:Wwwwolf|Wikiversity]] • <br />
[[commons:User:Wwwwolf|Wikimedia Commons]] • <br />
[[wikisource:User:Wwwwolf|Wikisource]] • <br />
[[m:User:Wwwwolf|Wikimedia Meta-Wiki]]<br />
</div><br />
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|-<br />
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<div style="background: #efe; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[wikicities:User:Wwwwolf|Wikia main]] • <br />
[[uncyclopedia:User:Wwwwolf|Uncyclopedia]] • <br />
[[wikia:doom:User:Wwwwolf|DooM]] • <br />
[[wikifur:User:Wwwwolf|WikiFur]] • <br />
[[finalfantasy:User:Wwwwolf|Final Fantasy]] • <br />
[[wikia:metroid:User:Wwwwolf|Wikitroid]] • <br />
[[memoryalpha:User:Wwwwolf|Memory Alpha]]<br />
</div><br />
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<div style="background: #efe; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><br />
[[StrategyWiki:User:Wwwwolf|StrategyWiki]] • <br />
[[hrwiki:User:Wwwwolf|Homestar Runner Wiki]]<br />
</div><br />
|}</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Planet_Wikimedia&diff=546657Planet Wikimedia2007-03-21T14:14:59Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Requests for inclusion */ forgot to sign</p>
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'''DISCLAIMER:''' The Wikimedia Foundation assumes no responsibility or liability for any posts aggregated on Planet Wikimedia. Blog aggregation is a computer-controlled process.<br />
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<center>[[/New language|Request a new language]]</center><br />
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[http://planet.wikimedia.org/ Planet Wikimedia] is a [[w:weblog|weblog]] [[W:aggregator|aggregator]] operated by the [[Wikimedia Foundation]], to bring together on-topic posts about wikis from Wikimedia community members. If you run a blog, and you want to be included, you need to explicitly ''opt-in'' (see below). <br />
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At the moment an English set is available at http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/; other languages will be added on request.<br />
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== What does it do? ==<br />
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Planet Wikimedia fetches [[en:RSS|RSS]] feeds every hour from selected [[Wikimedians who blog]] and aggregates the content of on-topic posts at <http://planet.wikimedia.org/>.<br />
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== Who and what can be included? ==<br />
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* Any blogger who is also an active participant in any [[wikimedia:Our_projects|Wikimedia project]], or in the development of [[mw:|mediawiki]], is qualified to be included in the aggregator.<br />
* Any post about wikis, Wikimedia projects, or MediaWiki is considered to be on-topic, unless there is consensus among readers to the contrary.<br />
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Please complain on the [[Talk:Planet Wikimedia|discussion page]] if you feel that a particular blogger's posts are causing the signal-to-noise ratio to decrease.<br />
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== How do I get in? ==<br />
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In the spirit of Wikimedia's commitment to free content, we encourage you to consider putting your blog content under a [http://freedomdefined.org/Definition free license]. In the spirit of Wikimedia's commitment to an unnecessary inflation of userboxes, you can also add a [[w:Template:User_Planet|Planet Userbox]] to your userpage. ;-)<br />
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=== Requests for inclusion ===<br />
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To be included in the planet, simply list your blog below, together with a '''feed URL''' (preferably to a filtered feed), and your signature. Any [[developer]] with access to the [[mw:Subversion|Subversion server]] can add your feed.<br />
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# My blog, Spontaneous Monotony, is at http://www.davidarussell.co.uk/ . The feed http://www.davidarussell.co.uk/category/wikimedia/atom is a dedicated feed for my Wikimedia category - the same URL except with /rss/ at the end also works if the aggregator doesn't support Atom, but Textpattern's RSS feed isn't as good as the Atom feed so use Atom if possible :). I would prefer to appear as David A. Russell (Cynical) in the participants list if possible. Thanks. [[User:Cynical|Cynical]] 17:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Hi, can you edit my name to leave out (cohesion), the standard formatting (like the rest of the list) would be better I think. :) - [[User:Cohesion|Cohesion]] 04:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Actually not my feed but I think it deserves inclusion [http://daveydweeb.com/ http://daveydweeb.com/] [[User:Kpjas|Kpjas]] 06:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* For copyright reasons we do not currently aggregate blogs without the explicit permission or request of the author.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 09:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please add my blog: http://jimbojw.com/wiki/index.php?title=Blog&action=feed&tags=mediawiki<br />
#: This filtered feed of [http://jimbojw.com/wiki/index.php?title=Blog my blog] contains only articles about MediaWiki from a technical development standpoint, including announcements of new or updated extensions that I've written. ''Bonus points'': The feed itself is a live demo of a MediaWiki Extension called [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiArticleFeeds WikiArticleFeeds].<br />
#: Thanks in advance. If possible, I'd like my name to appear as "Jim R. Wilson" in the credits. Thanks! --[[User:Jimbojw|Jimbojw]] 23:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# This is me (Urpo Lankinen, [[w:User:Wwwwolf|a random coffee-addled en.wikipedia admin]]): [http://feeds.feedburner.com/WikipediaNotesFromWwwwolf] - it's a filtered feed. I have no idea how well this works - it involves some Yahoo! Pipes hackery and Feedburnination. Basically, it's supposed to take posts from my blogs that are tagged Wikipedia/Wiki/Wikimedia, and I've been so busy with other stuff lately that only one post from last month shows up (I posted one today, let's hope it shows up then)... well, I hope it works =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 12:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
#: Oh, and if it's at all possible, link the user/blog name to [http://wwwwolf.livejournal.com/] where this blog really resides. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 14:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# '''Your feed here.'''<br />
<br />
Travelling - I won't be able to add new feeds until March 20. Bug another developer if it's urgent. ;-) --[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 18:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
====Recently added ====<br />
<br />
See [[/Archive]] for older additions.<br />
<br />
# My blog is a http://gpollard.wordpress.com. '''http://gpollard.wordpress.com/feed/''' Please put it under the name Gabriel Pollard. I am [[wikinews:User:Nzgabriel|Nzgabriel on wikinews]]. 08:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* Added with filter on tag "wiki".--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 18:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Feed: [http://eng.i-iter.org/berto-wikiblog i-iter blog] Hi! let me know if you need tech details. It's a feed made by the Views module under Drupal 5.1. I had no direct filtered feed in the platform, so I made one myself. --[[User:Bèrto 'd Sèra|Bèrto &#39;d Sèra]] 00:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# [http://beta.blogger.com/feeds/12152702/posts/full/-/wiki My filtered feed] <s>The feed is empty right now, as I've had to move some stuff around, but I intend to post to it soonish. I'd like to be identified as 'Sean Whitton (Xyrael)' on the participants list, if that's possible. Thanks. &mdash;[[User:Xyrael|Xyrael]] / 14:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)</s> This feed now does have a carefully filtered post. I've also realised that usernames are displayed under posts, so I am quite happy with just Sean Whitton in the bar on the left. Thanks. &mdash;[[User:Xyrael|Xyrael]] / 10:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# [http://sleepyhead.org/?cat=16&feed=rss2 feed] this is a feed of the "wikipedia" tag. cool idea! I would like my username after my name like "Judson Dunn (cohesion)" or something similar :) - [[User:Cohesion|Cohesion]] 23:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# [http://feeds.feedburner.com/enwikizine feed] - Wikzine - If you can do that only label that as "Wikizine" and not as "Walter Vermeir". --[[user:Walter|Walter]] <small>''Do you have news? [http://report.wikizine.org Report it to Wikizine]''</small> 13:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Joseph Reagle [http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/culture/wikipedia/?flav=rss]<br />
#* I just noticed my recent blog entry "Reuse vs. self plagiarism" is appearing on Wikipedia Planet, though it is not specific to the Wikipedia category feed that I provided. The entry is peripherally about Wikipedia, since it is about my methodology, but not specific to it. I don't mind if it ends up on Planet, but I think others might. If they do, I certainly don't object Planet focusing specifically on my Wikipedia category -[[User:Reagle|Reagle]] 19:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Other languages ==<br />
<br />
The Planet at planet.wikimedia.org is for English language posts and blogs. To request a planet in your language, please see [[Planet Wikimedia/New language]].<br />
<br />
== Alternatives ==<br />
<br />
===English===<br />
[http://open.wikiblogplanet.com/ Open Wiki Blog Planet], run by [[:en:User:Nickj]], offers a less filtered feed. It can be edited [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nickj/open-wikiblogplanet-config.ini here].<br />
<br />
===Polish===<br />
http://adamdziura.9g.pl/wikipedia/planetawiki/</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Planet_Wikimedia&diff=546654Planet Wikimedia2007-03-21T14:14:35Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Requests for inclusion */</p>
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'''DISCLAIMER:''' The Wikimedia Foundation assumes no responsibility or liability for any posts aggregated on Planet Wikimedia. Blog aggregation is a computer-controlled process.<br />
</div><br />
<br />
<center>[[/New language|Request a new language]]</center><br />
<br />
[http://planet.wikimedia.org/ Planet Wikimedia] is a [[w:weblog|weblog]] [[W:aggregator|aggregator]] operated by the [[Wikimedia Foundation]], to bring together on-topic posts about wikis from Wikimedia community members. If you run a blog, and you want to be included, you need to explicitly ''opt-in'' (see below). <br />
<br />
At the moment an English set is available at http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/; other languages will be added on request.<br />
<br />
== What does it do? ==<br />
<br />
Planet Wikimedia fetches [[en:RSS|RSS]] feeds every hour from selected [[Wikimedians who blog]] and aggregates the content of on-topic posts at <http://planet.wikimedia.org/>.<br />
<br />
== Who and what can be included? ==<br />
<br />
* Any blogger who is also an active participant in any [[wikimedia:Our_projects|Wikimedia project]], or in the development of [[mw:|mediawiki]], is qualified to be included in the aggregator.<br />
* Any post about wikis, Wikimedia projects, or MediaWiki is considered to be on-topic, unless there is consensus among readers to the contrary.<br />
<br />
Please complain on the [[Talk:Planet Wikimedia|discussion page]] if you feel that a particular blogger's posts are causing the signal-to-noise ratio to decrease.<br />
<br />
== How do I get in? ==<br />
<br />
In order to be included, your RSS feed ''must'' either be filtered to on-topic posts (e.g. by tagging all relevant posts with "wiki" and providing a feed to this tag), or your blog must be almost exclusively focused on this topic. The very occasional off-topic post is permitted, but given that Planet Wikimedia is intended to scale to hundreds of blogs, please exercise appropriate self-restraint.<br />
<br />
Common blogging engines like Wordpress and Blogger support label-specific feeds. In both cases, these are not obvious. For Wordpress, the feed URL is something like <http://yourwebsite.com/blog/?cat=9&feed=rss2> or <http://yourblog.com/blog/category/wiki/feed>. For Blogger, see [http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=53336 this help entry]. If you specify the URL of your blog, and make sure to add the category/tag/label "wiki" to your posts, we will help you to try to figure out whether a category-specific feed exists for your blog.<br />
<br />
Blogs can be listed under your real name, your user name (which will be prefixed with "User:" in the list of authors), or both, e.g. ''Alan Smithee (Dogmaster3000)''. Please indicate your preference; if you indicate none, only the real name (if available) will be used. For group blogs the blog title will be used.<br />
<br />
In the spirit of Wikimedia's commitment to free content, we encourage you to consider putting your blog content under a [http://freedomdefined.org/Definition free license]. In the spirit of Wikimedia's commitment to an unnecessary inflation of userboxes, you can also add a [[w:Template:User_Planet|Planet Userbox]] to your userpage. ;-)<br />
<br />
=== Requests for inclusion ===<br />
<br />
To be included in the planet, simply list your blog below, together with a '''feed URL''' (preferably to a filtered feed), and your signature. Any [[developer]] with access to the [[mw:Subversion|Subversion server]] can add your feed.<br />
<br />
# My blog, Spontaneous Monotony, is at http://www.davidarussell.co.uk/ . The feed http://www.davidarussell.co.uk/category/wikimedia/atom is a dedicated feed for my Wikimedia category - the same URL except with /rss/ at the end also works if the aggregator doesn't support Atom, but Textpattern's RSS feed isn't as good as the Atom feed so use Atom if possible :). I would prefer to appear as David A. Russell (Cynical) in the participants list if possible. Thanks. [[User:Cynical|Cynical]] 17:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Hi, can you edit my name to leave out (cohesion), the standard formatting (like the rest of the list) would be better I think. :) - [[User:Cohesion|Cohesion]] 04:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Actually not my feed but I think it deserves inclusion [http://daveydweeb.com/ http://daveydweeb.com/] [[User:Kpjas|Kpjas]] 06:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* For copyright reasons we do not currently aggregate blogs without the explicit permission or request of the author.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 09:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please add my blog: http://jimbojw.com/wiki/index.php?title=Blog&action=feed&tags=mediawiki<br />
#: This filtered feed of [http://jimbojw.com/wiki/index.php?title=Blog my blog] contains only articles about MediaWiki from a technical development standpoint, including announcements of new or updated extensions that I've written. ''Bonus points'': The feed itself is a live demo of a MediaWiki Extension called [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiArticleFeeds WikiArticleFeeds].<br />
#: Thanks in advance. If possible, I'd like my name to appear as "Jim R. Wilson" in the credits. Thanks! --[[User:Jimbojw|Jimbojw]] 23:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# This is me (Urpo Lankinen, [[w:User:Wwwwolf|a random coffee-addled en.wikipedia admin]]): [http://feeds.feedburner.com/WikipediaNotesFromWwwwolf] - it's a filtered feed. I have no idea how well this works - it involves some Yahoo! Pipes hackery and Feedburnination. Basically, it's supposed to take posts from my blogs that are tagged Wikipedia/Wiki/Wikimedia, and I've been so busy with other stuff lately that only one post from last month shows up (I posted one today, let's hope it shows up then)... well, I hope it works =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 12:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
#: Oh, and if it's at all possible, link the user/blog name to [http://wwwwolf.livejournal.com/] where this blog really resides.<br />
# '''Your feed here.'''<br />
<br />
Travelling - I won't be able to add new feeds until March 20. Bug another developer if it's urgent. ;-) --[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 18:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
====Recently added ====<br />
<br />
See [[/Archive]] for older additions.<br />
<br />
# My blog is a http://gpollard.wordpress.com. '''http://gpollard.wordpress.com/feed/''' Please put it under the name Gabriel Pollard. I am [[wikinews:User:Nzgabriel|Nzgabriel on wikinews]]. 08:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* Added with filter on tag "wiki".--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 18:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Feed: [http://eng.i-iter.org/berto-wikiblog i-iter blog] Hi! let me know if you need tech details. It's a feed made by the Views module under Drupal 5.1. I had no direct filtered feed in the platform, so I made one myself. --[[User:Bèrto 'd Sèra|Bèrto &#39;d Sèra]] 00:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# [http://beta.blogger.com/feeds/12152702/posts/full/-/wiki My filtered feed] <s>The feed is empty right now, as I've had to move some stuff around, but I intend to post to it soonish. I'd like to be identified as 'Sean Whitton (Xyrael)' on the participants list, if that's possible. Thanks. &mdash;[[User:Xyrael|Xyrael]] / 14:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)</s> This feed now does have a carefully filtered post. I've also realised that usernames are displayed under posts, so I am quite happy with just Sean Whitton in the bar on the left. Thanks. &mdash;[[User:Xyrael|Xyrael]] / 10:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# [http://sleepyhead.org/?cat=16&feed=rss2 feed] this is a feed of the "wikipedia" tag. cool idea! I would like my username after my name like "Judson Dunn (cohesion)" or something similar :) - [[User:Cohesion|Cohesion]] 23:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# [http://feeds.feedburner.com/enwikizine feed] - Wikzine - If you can do that only label that as "Wikizine" and not as "Walter Vermeir". --[[user:Walter|Walter]] <small>''Do you have news? [http://report.wikizine.org Report it to Wikizine]''</small> 13:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Joseph Reagle [http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/culture/wikipedia/?flav=rss]<br />
#* I just noticed my recent blog entry "Reuse vs. self plagiarism" is appearing on Wikipedia Planet, though it is not specific to the Wikipedia category feed that I provided. The entry is peripherally about Wikipedia, since it is about my methodology, but not specific to it. I don't mind if it ends up on Planet, but I think others might. If they do, I certainly don't object Planet focusing specifically on my Wikipedia category -[[User:Reagle|Reagle]] 19:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Other languages ==<br />
<br />
The Planet at planet.wikimedia.org is for English language posts and blogs. To request a planet in your language, please see [[Planet Wikimedia/New language]].<br />
<br />
== Alternatives ==<br />
<br />
===English===<br />
[http://open.wikiblogplanet.com/ Open Wiki Blog Planet], run by [[:en:User:Nickj]], offers a less filtered feed. It can be edited [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nickj/open-wikiblogplanet-config.ini here].<br />
<br />
===Polish===<br />
http://adamdziura.9g.pl/wikipedia/planetawiki/</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Planet_Wikimedia&diff=546617Planet Wikimedia2007-03-21T12:04:17Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Requests for inclusion */ me!</p>
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<div><div style="border-width:1px; border-color:#ff0000; border-style:groove; background:#fff6f6; -moz-border-radius:.5em; padding:0.5em; font-variant:small-caps; text-align:center;"><br />
'''DISCLAIMER:''' The Wikimedia Foundation assumes no responsibility or liability for any posts aggregated on Planet Wikimedia. Blog aggregation is a computer-controlled process.<br />
</div><br />
<br />
<center>[[/New language|Request a new language]]</center><br />
<br />
[http://planet.wikimedia.org/ Planet Wikimedia] is a [[w:weblog|weblog]] [[W:aggregator|aggregator]] operated by the [[Wikimedia Foundation]], to bring together on-topic posts about wikis from Wikimedia community members. If you run a blog, and you want to be included, you need to explicitly ''opt-in'' (see below). <br />
<br />
At the moment an English set is available at http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/; other languages will be added on request.<br />
<br />
== What does it do? ==<br />
<br />
Planet Wikimedia fetches [[en:RSS|RSS]] feeds every hour from selected [[Wikimedians who blog]] and aggregates the content of on-topic posts at <http://planet.wikimedia.org/>.<br />
<br />
== Who and what can be included? ==<br />
<br />
* Any blogger who is also an active participant in any [[wikimedia:Our_projects|Wikimedia project]], or in the development of [[mw:|mediawiki]], is qualified to be included in the aggregator.<br />
* Any post about wikis, Wikimedia projects, or MediaWiki is considered to be on-topic, unless there is consensus among readers to the contrary.<br />
<br />
Please complain on the [[Talk:Planet Wikimedia|discussion page]] if you feel that a particular blogger's posts are causing the signal-to-noise ratio to decrease.<br />
<br />
== How do I get in? ==<br />
<br />
In order to be included, your RSS feed ''must'' either be filtered to on-topic posts (e.g. by tagging all relevant posts with "wiki" and providing a feed to this tag), or your blog must be almost exclusively focused on this topic. The very occasional off-topic post is permitted, but given that Planet Wikimedia is intended to scale to hundreds of blogs, please exercise appropriate self-restraint.<br />
<br />
Common blogging engines like Wordpress and Blogger support label-specific feeds. In both cases, these are not obvious. For Wordpress, the feed URL is something like <http://yourwebsite.com/blog/?cat=9&feed=rss2> or <http://yourblog.com/blog/category/wiki/feed>. For Blogger, see [http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=53336 this help entry]. If you specify the URL of your blog, and make sure to add the category/tag/label "wiki" to your posts, we will help you to try to figure out whether a category-specific feed exists for your blog.<br />
<br />
Blogs can be listed under your real name, your user name (which will be prefixed with "User:" in the list of authors), or both, e.g. ''Alan Smithee (Dogmaster3000)''. Please indicate your preference; if you indicate none, only the real name (if available) will be used. For group blogs the blog title will be used.<br />
<br />
In the spirit of Wikimedia's commitment to free content, we encourage you to consider putting your blog content under a [http://freedomdefined.org/Definition free license]. In the spirit of Wikimedia's commitment to an unnecessary inflation of userboxes, you can also add a [[w:Template:User_Planet|Planet Userbox]] to your userpage. ;-)<br />
<br />
=== Requests for inclusion ===<br />
<br />
To be included in the planet, simply list your blog below, together with a '''feed URL''' (preferably to a filtered feed), and your signature. Any [[developer]] with access to the [[mw:Subversion|Subversion server]] can add your feed.<br />
<br />
# My blog, Spontaneous Monotony, is at http://www.davidarussell.co.uk/ . The feed http://www.davidarussell.co.uk/category/wikimedia/atom is a dedicated feed for my Wikimedia category - the same URL except with /rss/ at the end also works if the aggregator doesn't support Atom, but Textpattern's RSS feed isn't as good as the Atom feed so use Atom if possible :). I would prefer to appear as David A. Russell (Cynical) in the participants list if possible. Thanks. [[User:Cynical|Cynical]] 17:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Hi, can you edit my name to leave out (cohesion), the standard formatting (like the rest of the list) would be better I think. :) - [[User:Cohesion|Cohesion]] 04:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Actually not my feed but I think it deserves inclusion [http://daveydweeb.com/ http://daveydweeb.com/] [[User:Kpjas|Kpjas]] 06:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* For copyright reasons we do not currently aggregate blogs without the explicit permission or request of the author.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 09:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Please add my blog: http://jimbojw.com/wiki/index.php?title=Blog&action=feed&tags=mediawiki<br />
#: This filtered feed of [http://jimbojw.com/wiki/index.php?title=Blog my blog] contains only articles about MediaWiki from a technical development standpoint, including announcements of new or updated extensions that I've written. ''Bonus points'': The feed itself is a live demo of a MediaWiki Extension called [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiArticleFeeds WikiArticleFeeds].<br />
#: Thanks in advance. If possible, I'd like my name to appear as "Jim R. Wilson" in the credits. Thanks! --[[User:Jimbojw|Jimbojw]] 23:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# This is me (Urpo Lankinen, [[w:User:Wwwwolf|a random coffee-addled en.wikipedia admin]]): [http://feeds.feedburner.com/WikipediaNotesFromWwwwolf] - it's a filtered feed. I have no idea how well this works - it involves some Yahoo! Pipes hackery and Feedburnination. Basically, it's supposed to take posts from my blogs that are tagged Wikipedia/Wiki/Wikimedia, and I've been so busy with other stuff lately that only one post from last month shows up (I posted one today, let's hope it shows up then)... well, I hope it works =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 12:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# '''Your feed here.'''<br />
<br />
Travelling - I won't be able to add new feeds until March 20. Bug another developer if it's urgent. ;-) --[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 18:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
====Recently added ====<br />
<br />
See [[/Archive]] for older additions.<br />
<br />
# My blog is a http://gpollard.wordpress.com. '''http://gpollard.wordpress.com/feed/''' Please put it under the name Gabriel Pollard. I am [[wikinews:User:Nzgabriel|Nzgabriel on wikinews]]. 08:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
#* Added with filter on tag "wiki".--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] 18:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Feed: [http://eng.i-iter.org/berto-wikiblog i-iter blog] Hi! let me know if you need tech details. It's a feed made by the Views module under Drupal 5.1. I had no direct filtered feed in the platform, so I made one myself. --[[User:Bèrto 'd Sèra|Bèrto &#39;d Sèra]] 00:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# [http://beta.blogger.com/feeds/12152702/posts/full/-/wiki My filtered feed] <s>The feed is empty right now, as I've had to move some stuff around, but I intend to post to it soonish. I'd like to be identified as 'Sean Whitton (Xyrael)' on the participants list, if that's possible. Thanks. &mdash;[[User:Xyrael|Xyrael]] / 14:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)</s> This feed now does have a carefully filtered post. I've also realised that usernames are displayed under posts, so I am quite happy with just Sean Whitton in the bar on the left. Thanks. &mdash;[[User:Xyrael|Xyrael]] / 10:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# [http://sleepyhead.org/?cat=16&feed=rss2 feed] this is a feed of the "wikipedia" tag. cool idea! I would like my username after my name like "Judson Dunn (cohesion)" or something similar :) - [[User:Cohesion|Cohesion]] 23:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# [http://feeds.feedburner.com/enwikizine feed] - Wikzine - If you can do that only label that as "Wikizine" and not as "Walter Vermeir". --[[user:Walter|Walter]] <small>''Do you have news? [http://report.wikizine.org Report it to Wikizine]''</small> 13:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Joseph Reagle [http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/culture/wikipedia/?flav=rss]<br />
#* I just noticed my recent blog entry "Reuse vs. self plagiarism" is appearing on Wikipedia Planet, though it is not specific to the Wikipedia category feed that I provided. The entry is peripherally about Wikipedia, since it is about my methodology, but not specific to it. I don't mind if it ends up on Planet, but I think others might. If they do, I certainly don't object Planet focusing specifically on my Wikipedia category -[[User:Reagle|Reagle]] 19:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Other languages ==<br />
<br />
The Planet at planet.wikimedia.org is for English language posts and blogs. To request a planet in your language, please see [[Planet Wikimedia/New language]].<br />
<br />
== Alternatives ==<br />
<br />
===English===<br />
[http://open.wikiblogplanet.com/ Open Wiki Blog Planet], run by [[:en:User:Nickj]], offers a less filtered feed. It can be edited [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nickj/open-wikiblogplanet-config.ini here].<br />
<br />
===Polish===<br />
http://adamdziura.9g.pl/wikipedia/planetawiki/</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects&diff=531029Proposals for closing projects2007-02-15T17:01:07Z<p>Wwwwolf: Finnish WQ discussion was closed a long time ago, last I checked, and is thus indicated on the discussion page... hope no one minds if I mark it here as such</p>
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<div>{{/header}}<br />
<includeonly><!--<br />
<br />
!!! IMPORTANT NOTE !!!<br />
<br />
All statistics here are only for information.<br />
The final solution will be based on analysis of the discussion page.<br />
<br />
By increasing number of 'oppose' votes here and changing<br />
status to 'keep' you'll gain completely nothing :-)<br />
<br />
Status changes might be caused only by full and clear consensus<br />
except for cases with discussion inactivity ("status=inactive").<br />
Anyway, try to be as correct as it is possible here.<br />
<br />
-- Edward Chernenko<br />
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--></includeonly><br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Simple English<br />
| project = Wiktionary<br />
| start = 26 May 2006<br />
| support = 14<br />
| oppose = 34<br />
| status = keep<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Simple English<br />
| project = Wikibooks<br />
| start = 26 May 2006<br />
| support = 6<br />
| oppose = 18<br />
| status = keep<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Simple English<br />
| project = Wikiquote<br />
| start = 26 May 2006<br />
| support = 24<br />
| oppose = 16<br />
| status = discussion<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Akan<br />
| project = Wikipedia<br />
| start = 6 June 2006<br />
| support = 10<br />
| oppose = 15<br />
| status = discussion<br />
| ref = <ref name=gd>See also [[/General discussion about small, inactive wikis|general discussion about small, inactive wikis]].</ref><br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Hebrew<br />
| project = Wikinews<br />
| start = 17 June 2006<br />
| support = 6<br />
| oppose = 13<br />
| status = inactive<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Moldovan<br />
| project = Wikipedia<br />
| start = 21 June 2006<br />
| support = 106<br />
| oppose = 62<br />
| status = finished<br />
| freeze = 1<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Gothic<br />
| project = Wikipedia<br />
| start = 21 June 2006<br />
| support = -<br />
| oppose = -<br />
| status = inactive<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Zhuang<br />
| project = Wikipedia<br />
| start = 28 June 2006<br />
| support = 7<br />
| oppose = 13<br />
| status = discussion<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Latin<br />
| project = Wikibooks<br />
| start = 1 August 2006<br />
| support = 3<br />
| oppose = 9<br />
| status = keep<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Lombard<br />
| project = Wikipedia<br />
| start = 21 August 2006<br />
| support = -<br />
| oppose = -<br />
| status = vandalism<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Finnish<br />
| project = Wikiquote<br />
| start = 2 September 2006<br />
| support = 3<br />
| oppose = 33<br />
| status = keep<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Kanuri<br />
| project = Wikipedia<br />
| start = 17 September 2006<br />
| support = 13<br />
| oppose = 3<br />
| status = discussion<br />
| ref = <ref name=gd/><br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Chechen<br />
| project = Wikipedia<br />
| start = 23 October 2006<br />
| support = 3<br />
| oppose = 23<br />
| status = keep<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Siberian<br />
| project = Wikipedia<br />
| start = 2 November 2006<br />
| support = 161<br />
| support_confirmed = 146<br />
| oppose = 100<br />
| oppose_confirmed = 56<br />
| status = discussion<br />
| confirmation = 1<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Norwegian<br />
| project = Wikinews<br />
| start = 8 November 2006<br />
| support = 3<br />
| oppose = 6<br />
| status = discussion<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Low Saxon<br />
| project = Wikiquote<br />
| start = 18 November 2006<br />
| support = 9<br />
| oppose = 0<br />
| status = discussion<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Old English<br />
| project = Wikisource<br />
| start = 1 December 2006<br />
| support = 21<br />
| oppose = 1<br />
| status = discussion<br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Inuktitut<br />
| project = Wikipedia<br />
| start = 15 January 2007<br />
| support = 1<br />
| oppose = 9<br />
| status = discussion<br />
| ref = <ref name=gd/><br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Venda<br />
| project = Wikipedia<br />
| start = 17 January 2007<br />
| support = 4<br />
| oppose = 1<br />
| status = discussion<br />
| ref = <ref name=gd/><br />
}}<br />
{{/proposal<br />
| lang = Herero<br />
| project = Wikipedia<br />
| start = 22 January 2007<br />
| support = 3<br />
| oppose = 1<br />
| status = discussion<br />
| ref = <ref name=gd/><br />
}}<br />
{{/footer}}</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&diff=525537Talk:Spam blacklist2007-02-06T17:35:53Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* classicpcgames.info */</p>
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== Proposed additions ==<br />
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===emptynosesyndrome.org===<br />
Attached non-notable EL's to at a handful of nose-related articles from at least four different anon IPs. Warned numerous times, blocked during the latest run, but I suspect they'll be back. The warnings aren't taking much effect. --[[User:Mdwyer|Mdwyer]] 05:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/63.22.154.232<br />
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.63.243.65<br />
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/63.22.205.100<br />
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/63.22.198.217<br />
{{done}} as of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spam_blacklist&diff=525305&oldid=525239 this] [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 05:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== dqsoft.com, dqfree.com ===<br />
Per http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/10642#comment-60436 which was also discussed on WikiEN-l. DQsoft have been engaging, by their own frank admission, in a long-term spamming campaign. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 14:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:<s>In that case, I think a meta-blacklist is in order</s> [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 02:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::No evidence of being spammed to any wiki. The link given appears to be a post of someone other then that web site. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 00:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::: The spam was removed. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 15:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::: Do you have any diffs showing where it was spammed before? Or at least diffs of when it was removed. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 15:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===truegamesreviews.info===<br />
The ninth URL to a warez paysite, spammed into articles [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Master_of_Orion&diff=prev&oldid=103081430] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A-Train&diff=prev&oldid=102562961] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magic_Carpet_%28video_game%29&diff=prev&oldid=103125351] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SimFarm&diff=prev&oldid=102842985] by one-use anons. Exterminate. --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 12:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:looks like the IP's are on 3 seperate ranges, a link search turned up 4 more that I then removed. ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Return_to_Zork&diff=104502851&oldid=104252952] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Breakthru&diff=104502858&oldid=103769184] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sensible_Soccer_series&diff=104502900&oldid=103171717] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lands_of_Lore&diff=104502865&oldid=103315794]) By the looks of this this may be a problem that can be addressed by the blacklist. There currently are 0 links in the English wikipedia to this site, (others I have not checked), the search to the english wiki can be done [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.truegamesreviews.info here]. Hope this helps! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 04:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Without blacklisting, it appears this link is no longer being spammed into the english wikipedia. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 15:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== theoneworld.org ===<br />
An anon is repeatedly recreating an article about his or her website. The initial attempt went to AfD at [[w:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/One World Many Cultures]] and was deleted. Since then they have repeatedly overwritten the existing article [[w:One World Project]]. As the IP address changes frequently, blocks are not working.-[[User:Gadfium|Gadfium]] 05:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, does not look like this has any use on the english wikipedia, (as shown [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.theoneworld.org here], is linked 7 times, those can be modified to allow the pages to save with ease). A blacklist here to stop that IP would probably be of use at this point. I don't see where any harm would be done by a blacklisting. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 20:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::On second thought, you could simply protect the article. (a semi-protect, or if it is really bad, full-protect) for a few days or weeks. The IPs adding this are as follows, the link is to the diff of the IP, making the change:<br />
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_World_Project&diff=91754744&oldid=67628120 IP 219.88.143.149]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_World_Project&diff=102084856&oldid=100029597 IP 202.154.137.127]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_World_Project&diff=103964020&oldid=102111667 IP 202.154.137.125]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_World_Project&diff=104237316&oldid=104236888 IP 219.88.143.162] <br />
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Currently looks like the problem has been resolved for the time being using a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_World_Project&diff=104271327&oldid=104270300 semi-protection]. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 00:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I semi-protected the article while this was being considered. I thought the spam blacklist was preferred to semi-protection in these circumstances. However, we'll see if the anon comes back once the semi-protection expires.-[[User:Gadfium|Gadfium]] 02:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===communityhotline.com, etc.===<br />
*communityhotline.com, polkcountymuseum.com, johndeeretractors.net, earlyhistory.googlepages.com, state.information.googlepages.com<br />
These links belong to a thrice-banned spammer on en.WP, [[en:user:West wikipedia]]. He adds "communityhotline.org" and "polkcountymuseum.com" to communities in Wisconsin, for example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amery%2C_Wisconsin&diff=prev&oldid=91279586][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amery%2C_Wisconsin&diff=94396059&oldid=94385998][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amery%2C_Wisconsin&diff=96656581&oldid=95008537][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amery%2C_Wisconsin&diff=105740605&oldid=99792792], or [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polk_County%2C_Wisconsin&diff=96648746&oldid=96624830][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alden%2C_Wisconsin&diff=prev&oldid=96656436][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amery%2C_Wisconsin&diff=prev&oldid=96656581][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Apple_River%2C_Wisconsin&diff=prev&oldid=96656782]. <br />
He adds "johndeeretractors.net" to a variety of farm machinery articles. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hay_rake&diff=prev&oldid=91885190][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reaper&diff=prev&oldid=92094626][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steam_engine&diff=prev&oldid=92094347][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Threshing_machine&diff=prev&oldid=92093785]<br />
He adds "earlyhistory.googlepages.com" and "state.information.googlepages.com" to state articles (as well as some tractor articles and holidays). [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alabama&diff=prev&oldid=97073775][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alaska&diff=prev&oldid=97079800][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Backhoe&diff=prev&oldid=93099827][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thanksgiving_%28United_States%29&diff=prev&oldid=93098589]<br />
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His known identities are:<br />
*[[en:user:West wikipedia]]<br />
*[[en:user:69.4.121.216]]<br />
*[[en:user:64.33.177.170]]<br />
*[[en:user:Unity-north]]<br />
*[[en:user:Extreme outdoors]]<br />
*[[en:user:Eric outdoors]]<br />
The user has been rude and devious, and has often removed other external links before adding his own. <br />
-[[en:user:Will Beback]] 07:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:The IPs appear to be originating from the same company. [http://hemlock.knams.wikimedia.org/%7Ewizardrydragon/lookup_hostmask.php?ip=64.33.177.170&lang=en 64.33.177.170] is static, and can be blocked without fear of collateral. The other I can't tell. Are those the only two IPs that the problem is coming from as of now? [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 16:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Those are the only IPs that I've noticed so far. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] 19:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Ok in that situation, perhaps just block both IPs with account creation disabled? Then there would be no need to add the sites to the blacklist, as long as they don't switch IPs agian. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 19:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::It seems pretty easy to change IPs. I'll try it, but it seems like a partial solution. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] 21:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Virtual Grub Street-related domains===<br />
Domains spammed or owned by Gilbert Leslie Purdy<br />
* gilbertwesleypurdy.blogspot.com<br />
* vgs-wiki-watchdog.blogspot.com<br />
* gilbert-wesley-purdy.blogspot.com<br />
* vgs-index-and-specialty.blogspot.com<br />
* vgs-pbr-reviews.blogspot.com<br />
* vgscomputerarchive.myblogsite.com<br />
* virtual-grub-street.blogspot.com<br />
* catalyzerjournal.com<br />
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User has repeatedly spammed en:Wikipedia for many months using many IPs. Warned multiple times and blocked twice.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:209.215.55.111] Has made legal threats against another editor.<br />
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See these prior discussions if you have further questions:<br />
*[[en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#Gilbert Wesley Purdy]]<br />
*[[en:WP:ANI#Gilbert Wesley Purdy spam + outing editors]] -- list of IPs and articles spammed<br />
*[[en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/2006 Archive Mar & Apr#Repeat spammer on dynamic IPs]]<br />
*[[en:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive92#Legal threat against editor]]<br />
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As for diffs, see the contributions for this partial list of IPs used:<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.108]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.130]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.138]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.15]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.184]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.89]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.215.55.111]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.215.55.47]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.215.55.85]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.80.202]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.80.203]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.80.207]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.80.209]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.80.210]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.81.226]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.81.228]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.82.71]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.76.208.49]]<br />
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After all this history, editor is still adding links using these new accounts:<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/63.3.17.129]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/63.3.17.1]]<br />
--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Please do some diffs are [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Garfield&diff=prev&oldid=47572899] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fanny_Kemble&diff=prev&oldid=44140822] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michelangelo&diff=prev&oldid=45451677]. Thanks! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 16:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::{{done}} as of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spam_blacklist&diff=524918&oldid=523966 this]. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 16:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Hugeurl.com===<br />
{{closed|done}}<br />
Recently mentioned on Digg, this is a site that works in practically the same way as Tinyurl, an already blacklisted site. No spamming (yet), but just attempting to preempt any attacks. [[User:ArdoMelnikov|Logical2u]] 21:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
: '''Done'''. —<small>{[[Meta:Admins|admin]]} [[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 21:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)</small><br />
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===goatse.cz===<br />
[[en:Goatse.cx|Self explanatory]]—[[w:User:Ryulong|Ryūlóng]] ([[w:User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 22:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Has it been spammed? [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 23:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== all-car-photos.com ===<br />
Constant spam on de.wp since November 2006 by diverse accounts I've just blocked: [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/SimonaFergusson|SimonaFergusson]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/EffesOler|EffesOler]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/KilieRet|KilieRet]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/CaddyDaddy1|CaddyDaddy1]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/Georgia78|Georgia78]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/GiovanniH|GiovanniH]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/Licafors|Licafors]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/Gorte|Gorte]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/Vestarpfen|Vestarpfen]]. --[[User:Gardini|Gardini]] 23:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== digital-synthesizer.info and hostingphpbb.com ===<br />
{{closed|done}}<br />
Massive spamming from different IP addresses on several pages regarding currencies:<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/84.160.217.222]]<br />
*[[it:Speciale:Contributi/84.160.204.110]]<br />
*[[it:Speciale:Contributi/84.160.238.232]]<br />
*[[it:Speciale:Contributi/84.160.217.222]]<br />
*[[de:Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/84.160.238.232]]<br />
--[[User:Brownout|Brownout]] 01:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
: '''Done.''' —<small>{[[Meta:Admins|admin]]} [[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 01:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)</small><br />
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===Shayanashop.com===<br />
Spamming a lot of mushroom and psychedelic drug articles, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/85.242.226.223]. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]] 07:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===elfurl.com===<br />
Another url-shrinking service (like TinyURL). [[User:Veinor|Veinor]] 17:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== classicpcgames.info ===<br />
This is yet another head of the hydra that is old-classics.{com,info} etc; redirects to already blocked free-game-downloads.mosw.com - abandonware pay site.<br />
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* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Betrayal_at_Krondor&diff=106084730&oldid=105577293 example]<br />
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--''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 17:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Proposed removals ==<br />
{{messagebox<br />
|text=This section is for proposing that a website be ''un''listed; '''please add new entries at the ''bottom'' of the section'''. Remember to provide the specific URL blacklisted, links to the articles they are used in or useful to, and arguments in favour of unlisting. Completed requests will be marked as done or denied and [[/Archives|archived]]. See also [[Spam blacklist/recurring requests|/recurring requests]] for repeatedly proposed (and refused) removals.<br />
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=== A few sites ===<br />
<pre><br />
#These sites are redirecting requests from Wikimedia sites to a third-party site\.<br />
\.namebase\.org<br />
wikipedia-watch\.org <br />
google-watch\.org <br />
cia-on-campus\.org <br />
\.scroogle\.org<br />
yahoo-watch\.org<br />
</pre><br />
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I came across an [[w:Daniel Brandt|article]] with these external links that weren't links, then viewed the source to see why. They are listed as &lt;nowiki&gt;, and the [[w:Talk:Daniel Brandt|Talk page]] has a discussion about them being [[Spam blacklist|here]] because they redirect. However, after clicking the links from an editing preview page, they don't redirect. Regardless of whether we agree with the content of the links, I don't see why they should be blacklisted, since the reason they're blacklisted is not (at least now) the case. [[User:Nathanm mn|Nathanm mn]] 00:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
: A [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/08/msn_bans_scroogle/ news article] reports that MSN Messenger is blocking www.scroogle.org. If true, could MSN be importing the spam blacklist? What are the liability implications for the Foundation if a domain is on this list that cannot accurately be described as spam? [[User:216.60.70.68|216.60.70.68]] 01:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Request denied (again) - same reasons as before. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 22:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::What reasons? The stated one on the Spam blacklist is wrong. They '''don't''' redirect requests from Wikimedia, I tested it. [[User:Nathanm mn|Nathanm mn]] 02:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::: Nathan, please be aware that any link to these sites on enwiki would be immediately reverted, and any editor repeatedly inserting or re-inserting them would be blocked from editing and most likely permanently banned. This is per ArbCom ruling. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 14:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Why are they still blacklisted though, when they no longer redirect? And technically, they are not spam. --[[User:Majorly|Majorly]] 14:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] 02:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::So basically, there's an ArbCom ruling to censor these links because they disagree with the content? That's what it sounds like to me at least. [[User:Nathanm mn|Nathanm mn]] 08:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::The real reason is that Raul654 thinks I am in the business of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2006/12#Daniel_Brandt_sites stalking young children], but this is false and malicious and therefore libelous. I've never seen any evidence that there was an Arbcom statement on this topic. There is now a page at <b>wikipedia-watch.org/raul654.html</b> that places the blame entirely on Raul. If Arbcom is involved, and someone can provide a citation, I'll be happy to expand that page. --Daniel Brandt [[User:216.60.71.100|216.60.71.100]] 19:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::: Very droll. The real reason is that the arbitration committee on en: has ruled that linking to any site which "outs" the real identity of Wikipedia editors, or which contains personal attacks on editors, is a blockable offence. It is my understanding that mr. Brandt wants nothing to do with us, and the feeling is certainly reciprocated. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 21:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::: If the outing of Wikipedia editors is illegal, Wikipedia or the individual editors can take legal action. If it is not illegal, there is no reason to block links to his site. Even if we dislike him, giving the appearance of censorship on Wikipedia means he wins. If the redirection thing occurs again, then next to the text links there should be an explanation of why there are no "normal "links. It sure looked like censorship to me, and I'm a Wikipedia fan. -Alexbobp<br />
:::::I agree completely. If an editor's been "outed" on his site, alert them to that fact and let them take action on their own. It's not a reasonable justification for censorship. [[User:Nathanm mn|Nathanm mn]] 05:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Tell that to the arbitration committee on en. Oh, and do remember to use the word censorship - they especially like that, it's always a hallmark of a calm and reasoned request. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 15:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== hkmrr.hk.ohost.de/rundbrief.htm ===<br />
Used in [[:de:Rainer Riehn]]. Can't see what's wrong with that page, seems to be an application form to a reliable newsletter. --[[User:85.180.179.248|85.180.179.248]] 23:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:ohost.de is being used by spammers as well. You might try whitelisting on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Diskussion:Spam-whitelist. (No decision yet, if another admin does want to remove this from the blacklist, they have my blessing) - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 11:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===blog.myspace.com===<br />
Having trouble seeing how this is considered spam, but it's been recently added to the list, despite being pretty widly used (mostly on en.wikipedia) This site has a large number of user including a substancial number of musicians whose postings here had previouslly made it possible to link to copyrighted matrial this site had direct posting from the origional copyright owners and such was not a violation. There may have been a little spam from some, but the benifits that come from blacklisting this site are vastly outweighed by the problems that are caused... -- (sorry, no username on meta)<br />
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:I agree. Many celebrities, especially musicians, maintain MySpace pages and blogs, and the English Wikipedia, at least, allows these blogs to be used as sources. --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxamegalon2000]] 02:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::And I'm now unable to revert vandalism on any page that has a link to a MySpace blog without either going at it one section at a time or deleting the link, and deleting the link would itself be considered vandalism. I'd definitely like to see this hostname removed from the filters. --[[en:User:Psiphiorg|Psiphiorg (en.wikipedia.org)]] 19:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::I agree with the usefulnes of this site in general, and I'm not aware of any SPAM using it. --[[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 02:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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* Aha. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spam_blacklist&diff=509436&oldid=509204 Requested by Jimbo]. You may be wasting your time here. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 19:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::I've left a comment at his talk page. A small discussion has ensued, but he hasn't commented yet. --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxamegalon2000]] 18:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
: Well, this will mark the first time I disagree with Jimbo on something. MySpace blogs are very useful because they can be first-hand sources from many famous people (who have official MySpace pages). Will someone '''please''' whitelist this? --[[En:User:Liface|Liface]] 07:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Currently link articles in en:wikipedia:<br />
::* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.blogs.myspace.com current list] of articles that include the link *.blogs.myspace.com -- 1 link<br />
::* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.blog.myspace.com current list] of articles that include the link *.blogs.myspace.com -- 201 links<br />
::Here's the breakdown:<br />
::*5 links in 5 Image pages <br />
::* 42 links in 42 Article talk pages <br />
::* 19 in 17 User talk pages <br />
::* 42 in 40 User pages <br />
::* 1 in a Wikipedia talk page <br />
::* 49 in 45 Wikipedia pages <br />
::** 9 links in old articles for creation requests <br />
::** 32 links in AfD or VfD pages and logs <br />
::** 8 links in other Wikipedia<br />
::* 52 in 43 Article pages <br />
::--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've put the list on a user subpage: [[en:User:A. B./Sandbox9]] to give people a sense of the kinds of linked articles and the quality of the links. It can also serve as a clean-up list. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::There's also a discussion about this at [[en:Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources#Myspace|WP:Reliable Sources]] I've like to see this removed from the blacklist. If the authenticity of the MySpace owner is verified, I don't see why this can't be used as citations - [[User:60.240.174.126|60.240.174.126]] 10:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::I guess this is a final decision then as not only has it been blacklisted the link has just been deleted from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_Static Eat Static] breaking the reference it was part of which was to a blog on an official MySpace by a recognised authority (band member) - which is normally allowed by policy. I only found out it was blacklisted when I tried to restore it.[[User:82.41.98.219|82.41.98.219]] 02:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Just look at some of the MySpace blog citations [[en:User:Wizardry Dragon|Wizardry Dragon]] has been indiscriminately removing from articles even though their authenticity has been verified. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Southland_Tales&diff=prev&oldid=100999760], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hostel:_Part_II&diff=prev&oldid=100778095], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Towers_of_London&diff=prev&oldid=101003943], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lifehouse_%28band%29&diff=prev&oldid=101004093], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=White_%26_Nerdy&diff=prev&oldid=101912831], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ben_Folds&diff=prev&oldid=100752019], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rivers_Cuomo&diff=prev&oldid=100780542] and there's a lot more if you look at his contributions. - [[User:60.240.174.126|60.240.174.126]] 02:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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[[en:User:Wizardry Dragon|Wizardry Dragon]] has done the same thing to [[en:Feeder (band)|Feeder]] regarding a MySpaceblog that is the only way to back up the fact that the band raised 62,000 pounds at their gigs for the charity WarChild. I tried to re-add the link but he's blocked it and is definetly vandalism.<br />
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[[en:User:Marcus Bowen|Marcus Bowen]] 12:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I've reverted an edit to the [[en:Lance Bass|Lance Bass]] article that included a link to a MySpace blog as a citation, but I had to remove the link and just include the URL as text. I suppose until this site is removed from the blacklist, this is what we will have to do in order to properly cite our sources. --[[en:User:Psiphiorg|Psiphiorg (en.wikipedia.org)]] 19:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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I cannot understand why official sources are being blacklisted, this must be the single stupidest thing that I have ever seen Wikipedia do. Very confused and disappointed. --[[User:210.10.183.24|210.10.183.24]] 04:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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This a real pain in the ass. If you want to block MySpace images from getting inserted, then blacklist viewmorepics.myspace.com , and not blogs.myspace.com[[User:24.52.190.122|24.52.190.122]] 01:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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* We wanted to block myspace blogs, so blogs.myspace.com was exactly right. Thanks for asking, though :-) Myspace sites remain linkable, only the blogs are blocked. Individual blogs which are required as sources can be whitelisted on request, as at the [[:en:WP:AN|the admin noticeboard]]. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 14:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Well, I just tried editing the [[Kirk Cameron]] and [[Julie McCullough]] articles, in particular the portions that deal with how the former had the latter fired from ''[[Growing Pains]]'', which had a citation tag on it. I wanted to add a source so that I could remove the tag, and since McCullough discusses the matter on her MySpace page, I added a bit of material, and the source, but it got automatically reverted. I don't see why this should be so, and I'd like to know what Jimbo's reasoning is on this matter. And as far as reliable sources, well, I would think that McCullough herself is a pretty reliable souce on the matter. [[User:67.82.110.48|67.82.110.48]] 02:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===www.ohs.150m.com===<br />
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This is the legitimate home page of a legitimate high school. I don't know why it's blocked, maybe an issue with the hosting service, but I haven't been able to complete my edits to the school's wiki article because it contains a link to the school's website, which is a most necessary external link. [[User:Oknazevad|Oknazevad]] 20:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC) (sorry, didn't realize I wasn't logged in the first time.)<br />
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:Because of edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Everson_v._Board_of_Education&diff=prev&oldid=97744816 this one], 150m.com has been blacklisted. I haven't made a decision yet - I'll get back to this later if noone else beats me to it. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 13:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Andre the site 150m.com has multiple subdomains, each operated by different people. Blocking the whole site blocks all of those. Can't we just block by subdomain without blocking an entire domain? I ran across a user removing links to other subdomains based on the blacklist here, that are actually useful articles about a subject of an article on wikipedia. Thanks. [[User:Wjhonson|Wjhonson]] 21:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===iyisozluk.com===<br />
Hello my site (iyisozluk.com) is now black list.This site is online Multi language dictionary turkish from other 12 language therefor I'm adding my link to 3 article (dictionary,turkish,turkey) all wiki country sites. I thing this very much links for wikimedia. What can I do now for my site ?<br />
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:Looks like this link has been spammed, across multiple wikis, at least that is what I am taking "pan-wiki" spam to mean. From the blacklist [[Spam blacklist/Log|log]]:<br />
\.iyisozluk\.com # Jdforrester # pan-wiki spam<br />
Hope that helps. If there are pages in it that are good and relevent to a particular page, I suggest asking for white listing on that specific wiki. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 00:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===www.chiquitania.com===<br />
Please unblock this site. It is a non-profit, non-commercial site that exists only as an online resource for information regarding the Chiquitania, a geographic region of eastern Bolivia. I am trying to submit an article on this same region (none exists as yet on Wikipedia), and the Web site referred to is an invaluable source for further information. Thanks. --[[User ID: 3303832]] 11:47, 20 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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:It looks as if this was a problem on the Dutch Wikipedia with a Dutch tour operator spamming links to the chiquitania.com's links page. This happened after his own company's link was blacklisted as persistent spam. His company has a link on that chiquitania.com links page. See [[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2007/01#chiquitania.com]]. If the link is not removed from the blacklist here, you can probably get it whitelisted on the English Wikipedia only at [[en:MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist]]. Other language Wikipedias have similar provisions for whitelisting as well. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 05:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===mojeosiedle.pl===<br />
Dunno if this is considered 'widespread' but... The address above is a Polish site hosting various forums focused around different local communities in Polish cities of Tró)jmiasto (Tricity. The tagline on some of those reads: "Talk to your neighbour without leaving home.")<br />
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Link additions by:<br />
* http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specjalna:Wk%C5%82ad/Mojeosiedle_pl<br />
* various other IPs (see [http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specjalna:Szukaj?search=mojeosiedle&go=Przejd%C5%BA])<br />
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Since some of those edits came from one IPS, we blocked the whole subnet, pending addition to the blacklist. --[[User:TOR|TOR]] 17:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Can you please clarify? Is this a request to '''add''' a link to the blacklist? [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 02:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Suite101.com===<br />
Some of the writers in some of the topics on Suite101 have legitimate reasons to be cited. For example, one long gone movie columnist actually interviewed legit pros, and I published the ''only'' article on Loblaw's [[w:Sesame Beginnings]] licensing after Sesame Workshop issued a press release. I agree that yes, a lot of the time people post on Wikipedia only to drive traffic to the Suite's payment-per-2000-views structure. However, there are some legit writers there that don't do that, and let other Wikipedians link to their content. -- [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] 19:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:An additional information: we changed our writer payment model as of January 24, 2007. Writers do not directly benefit from page impressions in the future, (see Suite101's recruitment and payment terms) which was cited as one of the chief reasons when we were blacklisted. [[User:Bergerpeter|Bergerpeter]] 17:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::See the following for historical background on Suite101.com and its relationship to Wikipedia. <br />
::*[[en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/2006 Archive Dec]] <br />
::*[[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2006/12#suite101.com]]<br />
::*[[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2007/01#suite101.com]]<br />
::*[[en:MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist#Grandparent page on wikipedia]]<br />
::I copied the following from http:// www. suite101.com/writer_faq as of today:<br />
:::''"How long will it take before I start to earn money as a freelance writer?"''<br />
::::''"You start earning and accruing money right away, but how much depends on many factors including the rate at which you post new content, the quality of the articles, the aptness of your titles, the amount of promotion you do, the speed at which the search engines index and rank you... but you are paid your share of ad revenues on your material, in full, monthly."''<br />
::--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::: I really see no reason why Suite101 should be on the blacklist. The site is editorially controlled, reliable, and Wikipedia contributors acknowlege the referential value of many of its articles again and again. Our writers do get paid, and I believe that is appropriate for quality writing. If I understand correctly, Wikipedia is now adding rel="nofollow" tags to all external links (which I think is a great decision); that removes any incentive for people to abuse Wikipedia for search engine reasons. When Wikipedia contributors base their Wikipedia articles on Suite101 content, I strongly feel they should be able to refer to the original source of reference. [[User:Bergerpeter|Bergerpeter]] 17:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::There is currently a debate about possibly reversing the nofollow decision in the future, perhaps in several months after the current large SEO contest. It's unclear where that discussion's going. [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] has caught flack from many editors about this decision both from outside and inside Wikipedia (personally I support his decision). --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Our site is an editorially monitored writer network. Suite101 has tens of thousands of unique articles and currently 250 active Feature Writers. There has been no systematic spamming other than a few of our writers inserting links to their own articles. This has been solved and those writers won't do it again, since it was done in ignorance. The idea of the spam blacklist is to keep off persistent link spammers, not references to highly useful material or to ban sites that earn money and share revenues with writers; it would only be fair and in the interest of Wikipedia's rules to remove suite101.com from the spam blacklist. [[User:Bergerpeter|Bergerpeter]] 17:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::The site was blacklisted because someone promoted it. Your terms of use actually incorage people to link to items that they write. See the original blacklist request [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&oldid=472752#suite101.com here]. Sorry. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 22:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I've seen many examples of WP:OR issues from material referenced from this blacklisted site. This is in addition to the spam-linking which was regularly occurring before the blacklist was placed. I too I support the decision of [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] based on the spam concerns. [[User:71.111.138.207|71.111.138.207]] 01:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===wiener-gasometer.at===<br />
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Hello! I have uploaded some photos of the Gasometer in Vienna at the Commons of Wikipedia and wanted to add this photographs to the relevant pages on other language sites of Wikipedia. It was not my intention to produce spam. Please remove the URL from the Blacklist. I wont add a weblink to the URL on new image-descriptions any more and '''I am extremely sorry that I have done this'''. You will find on the website a non-commercial academic/scientific documentation of the Gasometer in Vienna. Greetings, Andreas Pöschek [[User:Andreas.poeschek|Andreas.poeschek]] 00:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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: Please remove this domain from the list. It is completely absurd to have this non-commercial site blacklisted. Today I was adding an entry to the Jean Nouvel list of works in the English Wikipedia, when suddenly I was transfixed by this spam filter unexpectedly blocking my edit, forcing me, in order to be able to save my contribution, to delete a perfectly legitimate link to a page from this domain (one showing illustrative photos and info on another of Nouvel's works), a link that was already there as part of the previous version, and it was there for a good purpose; it was not something I was adding in my edit, but I was inexplicably '''forced''' to remove that link because otherwise this automated filter bot wouldn't allow me to save a new version of the article. That was just crazy, and very frustrating and annoying. You want to have a spam filter to "protect" Wikipedia, that's OK, but please make sure its blacklist entries make sense and do not actually damage Wikipedia by forcing editors to remove existing legitimate links in order to be able to save their contributions. [[User:Uaxuctum|Uaxuctum]] 12:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:: '''Done.''' —<small>{[[Meta:Admins|admin]]} [[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 02:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)</small><br />
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=== whale.to ===<br />
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This is not a commercial site. Contains a lot of valuable information, with many external links and medical references from various sources. Lots of information on vaccination and various diseases. The site contains references needed for the pages [[en:Tetanus]] and [[fr:Tétanos]]. -- [[fr:Utilisateur:Bwass|Bwass]]<br />
:Looks like this was added a long time ago, needless to say we don't have any logs on when this was added or why. My assumption would be that it was added in in cross wiki spam. And what you are suggesting there looks to be adding it to multiple wikis. Are those the only wikis that need the link? If so I would suggest asking to have specific sections of the site added to the whitelists of the respective wikis. They can whitelist just the pages that are needed for references. Again without logs I really can't tell you why it was added in the first place, my assumption is that someone spammed it across multiple wikis, and or did so using multiple IPs. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 03:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd never heard of this site, so I spent about 10 minutes looking at the site and doing a quick Google search. Here's what I found:<br />
::First, take a look at the home page, scrolling all the way through it -- it looks very POV. Then a random sampling of pages:<br />
::*whale.to/m/map.html "Medical Mind Control"<br />
::**''"The methods used by Allopathic Monopoly to suppress the truth. Mostly propaganda---lies, hypnotism and Fearmongering. Aka Mind Control"''<br />
::*whale.to/w/nat.html "Natural Healing"<br />
::**''"80% of my patients were well just after doing my thorough bowel cleansing program."''<br />
::*whale.to/a/medical_mafia.html "The Medical Mafia"<br />
::**''"The worldwide Elite (Boss) of Allopathy. Aka The Drug Trust, Medical Monopoly, Cartel or Industry. Think IG Farben and Medical Fascism. Only the top people in Allopathy know the whole truth on Allopathic medicine, and covert-vaccine agendas."''<br />
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::A Google search on "whale.to wikipedia" turns up:<br />
::*whale.to/a/wikipedia.html "The Great Lie of Wikipedia: "the....encyclopedia that anyone can edit.""<br />
::*[[en:Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Whaleto]]<br />
::*[[en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Whale.to]]<br />
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::A narrower Google search on "whale.to spam wikipedia":<br />
::*[[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives]]<br />
::*[[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2006/07#vaccination.org.uk]]<br />
::*[[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2006/07#whale.to]]<br />
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::--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh nice! you found the logs. Great job A. B. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 17:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== ueuo.com ===<br />
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I have a website as a subdomain of ueuo.com and want to add a link on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jingshen my Wikipedia user page].<br />
Ueuo.com is part of the Free Web Hosting Area which provides free hosting space and it doesn't spam as far as I know. I've been using it for a while. --[[User:Jingshen|Jingshen]] 09:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== oseculoprodigioso.blogspot.com ===<br />
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Came across this being on the blacklist while trying to edit the [[w:Charles_Demuth|Charles Demuth]] article. The link in the article looks legitimate, as does the site itself -- I'm not sure why it's blacklisted. --[[User:24.7.101.196|24.7.101.196]] 22:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:The link was being spammed across wikis. See [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&oldid=521706#oseculoprodigioso.blogspot.com.2F2007.2F01.2Fmonet-claude-post-impressionismo.html this] for more info. In fact the link was actually added by the same IP that was spamming the other wikis. (See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Demuth&diff=95406887&oldid=92251942 here]) The IP was 81.84.142.19, and it hit 11 wikis with that link (counting the english wikipedia link). Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 22:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Hmm, odd. It doesn't look like they're trying to sell anything; maybe just the work of an overenthusiastic site creator? Well, anyway, I'll defer to the admins -- mostly just curious. -[[User:24.7.101.196|24.7.101.196]] 05:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Same here, on French Wikipedia, with Amadeo Modigliani, I don't think it deserve to be blacklisted. Because, non commercial and rich in iconographie. Please, leave it out. Best regards. -- [[User:Perky|Perky]] 10:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::It was blacklisted because of cross wiki spam, exactly what this list is for :P. If it is suitable on a particular wiki, you can always request that the site, or even specific pages of said site, be whitelisted on your respective local wiki. For example it is [[en:MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]] on the english wikipedia. If you need it for another wiki, just ask here, and I can point you in the right direction. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 19:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===www.gabrielleray.150m.com===<br />
This link and its sublinks was blacklisted, and the related links have been removed from articles. It contains very useful information about older English and American musicals and persons connected with the theatre. Can it be reinstated, please? -- [[User:66.65.114.133|66.65.114.133]] 19:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:The whole domain has been blacklisted becuase of edits like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Everson_v._Board_of_Education&diff=prev&oldid=97744816 this one]. If that particular link is useful, perhaps ask for it to be whitelisted on the respective wiki. For the english wiki it would be [[en:MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]]. If you need it for another wiki, just ask here, and I can point you in the right direction. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 19:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::See my remark above on another 150m.com subdomain. As I pointed out there and as other people have remarked, blacklisting the entire domain removes useful content. Is there not a way to blacklist by subdomain? If so, I'd like to request the domain be whitelisted and just those offending subs be black. [[User:Wjhonson|Wjhonson]] 21:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===nolico.com===<br />
The Spam Blacklist complains about nolico.com on the Talk page for [[w:Compact_fluorescent_lamp]]. What evidence is there that nolico.com should be on the Spam Blacklist? [[User:Chrike|Chrike]] 05:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Troubleshooting and problems ==<br />
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===artnet.de===<br />
please unblock (first of all all magazine-articles): artnet sometimes has excess value, e.g. artnet.de/magazine/features/brauneis/brauneis06-30-06.asp -> great article & songs from the artist. there is no reason to block such an interesting page..!?!! 138.246.7.114 20:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Partially done. I have restricted the block to only artnet.de/artist - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 11:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::<strike>Why? Because there is sometimes between all the ads maybe an information? That doesn't make sense.</strike> --[[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] 07:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::Because it blocks the pages that were spammed before, and not the one that is mentioned here. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::I obey whatever the META Admins decide! I checked that link and it seems to make sense! 8-))) --[[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] 02:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::This looks {{done}} [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 03:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Sledtv.org===<br />
Was curious as to what happened to the sledtv.org site, then i saw that it had been blacklisted, did a little poking around and never saw any removals but one and no infractions, warings etc, why was this blacklisted? I believe it should not be, and should be reversed<br />
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:It was blocked as being one of a series of URLs, added by the same spammer from different IPs. Examples given were [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snowmobile&diff=79286243&oldid=79180764] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snowmobile&diff=98432733&oldid=98384896]. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 08:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===[[Rake Yohn]]===<br />
I was trying to revert a lot of vandalism on the Rake Yohn wikipedia page and I keep getting the spam blacklist thing. What's going on? --[[User:164.82.144.3|164.82.144.3]] 18:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:There must be a link in the page that has been blacklisted. Remove it and you should be able to revert. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 00:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===StormBringer===<br />
I tried to put some code on the wiki in spanish but a message appeared that states that is black listed. This is part of the code:<br />
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I don't know what happened.<br />
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===<nowiki>http://ibtimes.com</nowiki>===<br />
Chronic spamming by [[en:User:Dck7777]], [[en:User:Wog7777]], and a bit by [[en:User:70.18.40.105]]. Total 118 contributions, all linkspam, all took forever and a day to cleanup: after reviewing, every link that proceded pattern <nowiki>http://ibtimes...</nowiki> was linkspam, and has been removed: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=ibtimes.com]. However, link with pattern <nowiki>http://www.ibtimes</nowiki> has quite a few valid links: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Linksearch&limit=250&offset=0&target=%2A.ibtimes.com]. I'm thinking it likely has something to do with how the link is placed to viewers on the outside vs. how they see them internally. Perhaps you could simply block <nowiki>http://ibtimes</nowiki>: it might be enough to slow the spammer down. -[[User:Patstuart|Patstuart]] 16:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{done}} - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 19:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::It appears to not be working. I ran a test page, and didn't get any problems: what's more, there were two more spammers added to the list of socks. All come from New York City. [[User:Patstuart|Patstuart]] 19:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Talk:Reparative therapy===<br />
I just tried to edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Reparative_therapy] and got the following:<br />
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::''Spam protection filter''<br />
::''From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia''<br />
::''Jump to: navigation, search''<br />
::''This is a talk page. Please respect the talk page guidelines, and remember to sign your posts using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).''<br />
::''The spam filter blocked your page save because it detected a blacklisted hyperlink. You may have added it yourself, the link may have been added by another editor before it was blacklisted, or you may be infected by spyware that adds links to wiki pages. You will need to remove all instances of the blacklisted URL before you can save.''<br />
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::''You can request help removing the link, request that the link be removed from the blacklist, or report a possible error on the Spam blacklist talk page. If you'd like to allow a particular link without removing similar links from the blacklist, you can request whitelisting on the Spam whitelist talk page.''<br />
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::''The following text is what triggered our spam filter: http://blog DOT myspace DOT com''<br />
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::''Return to Main Page.''<br />
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:(Note that in the above, I had to change the URL of the blacklisted text so I could post it here) After, I tried searching the text and found nothing. I copied all the text to my word processor, searched, found nothing. Please help. Thank you! [[User:Joie de Vivre|Joie de Vivre]] 18:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found the links and "broke" them -- the page is editable now. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thank you! Is this something that I, a standard editor, can do or learn to do? [[User:Joie de Vivre|Joie de Vivre]] 19:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Sure -- Look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Reparative_therapy/Archive1&diff=prev&oldid=104143418 what I did]. I just made sure there was not a complete, uninterrupted URL. I got rid of the http://www. part. <br />
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::::::Alternately, you could just put a spaces after the http:// and the www; a human can still interpret the link but browsers and MediaWiki software can't:<br />
::::::*http:// www .myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=7428306&Mytoken=20050611060821<br><br />
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::::::Blacklisted links often aren't very useful -- in such a case, just delete the link. I did not have the time to evaluate these links; we're less picky about link quality on talk pages. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===CSS code causing a hit===<br />
I recently tried to submit an error to [[w:Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser]]. As the error resulted in a fair amount of exception code, I posted this along with the report in case they needed it. To avoid cluttering up the page, I put it in an overflow section. However when I submitted it, the filter blocked it with the text cited being ''"overflow: auto; "'' and ''"height:"'' joined together (obviously I couldn't put it together as it would also trigger the filter. Surely this cannot be. '''''<font color="darkblue">[[User:Harryboyles|Harryboyles]]</font>''''' 10:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:See [[bugzilla:8829|bug #8829]]. --[[User:.anaconda|.anaconda]] 17:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===www.xs4all.nl/~wichm===<br />
There has been major vandalism to a featured article ([[Kinetoscope]]) involving the wholesale deletion of an entire top-level heading. I can't revert this edit because apparently this link in the original text exists. I am 100% certain it is not spam. As this article is likely to be on the front page soon, could this please be dealt with immediately so as to restore the featured article to its original text ASAP? Thanks, [[User:82.35.33.45|82.35.33.45]] (Girolamo Savonarola on en) 11:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:If you are referring to the English Wikipedia article, it appears that this problem has been fixed.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kinetoscope&diff=next&oldid=105759033] --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
* Removed from article, it was not necessary. As for not being spam, it appears it was wherever else it was added (see [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&oldid=510448]). "At least one website picked this up" in a ref which included a proper source suggests that perhaps it was. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 16:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Other discussions ==<br />
* '''[[Spam blacklist policy discussion]]'''<br />
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===List_of_nicknames_of_European_Royalty_and_Nobility==<br />
I tried to add a link to the 'List of Treaty Titles for Monarchs' page on this page, but the update failed due to a link I didn't include (to an elzibethtudor site) how should I address the 'blacklisting after linking' that apparently happened, and how do I get my link added? I'm user Bo on wikipedia.<br />
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:Depending on the nature of the link you can:<br />
:* Remove the offending link<br />
:* Replace the offending link by a URL in text<br />
:* Ask on your Wikipedia for whitelisting or here for removal from the blacklist.<br />
:- [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 13:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Robert Saxon===<br />
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This page can't be edited - but I'm not clever enough to work out why. Suggest it be removed from blacklisting - all I wanted to do was add a flag to say that it looked like a fan site and needed attention. Thanks [[User:Testbed|Testbed]] 10:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)testbed<br />
:All you have to do is remove the link from the article, and you should be able to save. The software even points out what link is the problem ''The following text is what triggered our spam filter: blah''. Hope this helps, Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 00:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&diff=525536Talk:Spam blacklist2007-02-06T17:34:41Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Proposed additions */ classicpcgames.info</p>
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== Proposed additions ==<br />
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===emptynosesyndrome.org===<br />
Attached non-notable EL's to at a handful of nose-related articles from at least four different anon IPs. Warned numerous times, blocked during the latest run, but I suspect they'll be back. The warnings aren't taking much effect. --[[User:Mdwyer|Mdwyer]] 05:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/63.22.154.232<br />
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.63.243.65<br />
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/63.22.205.100<br />
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/63.22.198.217<br />
{{done}} as of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spam_blacklist&diff=525305&oldid=525239 this] [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 05:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== dqsoft.com, dqfree.com ===<br />
Per http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/10642#comment-60436 which was also discussed on WikiEN-l. DQsoft have been engaging, by their own frank admission, in a long-term spamming campaign. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 14:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:<s>In that case, I think a meta-blacklist is in order</s> [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 02:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::No evidence of being spammed to any wiki. The link given appears to be a post of someone other then that web site. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 00:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::: The spam was removed. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 15:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::: Do you have any diffs showing where it was spammed before? Or at least diffs of when it was removed. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 15:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===truegamesreviews.info===<br />
The ninth URL to a warez paysite, spammed into articles [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Master_of_Orion&diff=prev&oldid=103081430] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A-Train&diff=prev&oldid=102562961] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magic_Carpet_%28video_game%29&diff=prev&oldid=103125351] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SimFarm&diff=prev&oldid=102842985] by one-use anons. Exterminate. --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 12:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:looks like the IP's are on 3 seperate ranges, a link search turned up 4 more that I then removed. ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Return_to_Zork&diff=104502851&oldid=104252952] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Breakthru&diff=104502858&oldid=103769184] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sensible_Soccer_series&diff=104502900&oldid=103171717] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lands_of_Lore&diff=104502865&oldid=103315794]) By the looks of this this may be a problem that can be addressed by the blacklist. There currently are 0 links in the English wikipedia to this site, (others I have not checked), the search to the english wiki can be done [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.truegamesreviews.info here]. Hope this helps! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 04:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Without blacklisting, it appears this link is no longer being spammed into the english wikipedia. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 15:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== theoneworld.org ===<br />
An anon is repeatedly recreating an article about his or her website. The initial attempt went to AfD at [[w:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/One World Many Cultures]] and was deleted. Since then they have repeatedly overwritten the existing article [[w:One World Project]]. As the IP address changes frequently, blocks are not working.-[[User:Gadfium|Gadfium]] 05:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, does not look like this has any use on the english wikipedia, (as shown [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.theoneworld.org here], is linked 7 times, those can be modified to allow the pages to save with ease). A blacklist here to stop that IP would probably be of use at this point. I don't see where any harm would be done by a blacklisting. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 20:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::On second thought, you could simply protect the article. (a semi-protect, or if it is really bad, full-protect) for a few days or weeks. The IPs adding this are as follows, the link is to the diff of the IP, making the change:<br />
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_World_Project&diff=91754744&oldid=67628120 IP 219.88.143.149]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_World_Project&diff=102084856&oldid=100029597 IP 202.154.137.127]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_World_Project&diff=103964020&oldid=102111667 IP 202.154.137.125]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_World_Project&diff=104237316&oldid=104236888 IP 219.88.143.162] <br />
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Currently looks like the problem has been resolved for the time being using a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=One_World_Project&diff=104271327&oldid=104270300 semi-protection]. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 00:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I semi-protected the article while this was being considered. I thought the spam blacklist was preferred to semi-protection in these circumstances. However, we'll see if the anon comes back once the semi-protection expires.-[[User:Gadfium|Gadfium]] 02:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===communityhotline.com, etc.===<br />
*communityhotline.com, polkcountymuseum.com, johndeeretractors.net, earlyhistory.googlepages.com, state.information.googlepages.com<br />
These links belong to a thrice-banned spammer on en.WP, [[en:user:West wikipedia]]. He adds "communityhotline.org" and "polkcountymuseum.com" to communities in Wisconsin, for example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amery%2C_Wisconsin&diff=prev&oldid=91279586][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amery%2C_Wisconsin&diff=94396059&oldid=94385998][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amery%2C_Wisconsin&diff=96656581&oldid=95008537][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amery%2C_Wisconsin&diff=105740605&oldid=99792792], or [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polk_County%2C_Wisconsin&diff=96648746&oldid=96624830][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alden%2C_Wisconsin&diff=prev&oldid=96656436][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amery%2C_Wisconsin&diff=prev&oldid=96656581][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Apple_River%2C_Wisconsin&diff=prev&oldid=96656782]. <br />
He adds "johndeeretractors.net" to a variety of farm machinery articles. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hay_rake&diff=prev&oldid=91885190][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reaper&diff=prev&oldid=92094626][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steam_engine&diff=prev&oldid=92094347][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Threshing_machine&diff=prev&oldid=92093785]<br />
He adds "earlyhistory.googlepages.com" and "state.information.googlepages.com" to state articles (as well as some tractor articles and holidays). [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alabama&diff=prev&oldid=97073775][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alaska&diff=prev&oldid=97079800][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Backhoe&diff=prev&oldid=93099827][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thanksgiving_%28United_States%29&diff=prev&oldid=93098589]<br />
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His known identities are:<br />
*[[en:user:West wikipedia]]<br />
*[[en:user:69.4.121.216]]<br />
*[[en:user:64.33.177.170]]<br />
*[[en:user:Unity-north]]<br />
*[[en:user:Extreme outdoors]]<br />
*[[en:user:Eric outdoors]]<br />
The user has been rude and devious, and has often removed other external links before adding his own. <br />
-[[en:user:Will Beback]] 07:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:The IPs appear to be originating from the same company. [http://hemlock.knams.wikimedia.org/%7Ewizardrydragon/lookup_hostmask.php?ip=64.33.177.170&lang=en 64.33.177.170] is static, and can be blocked without fear of collateral. The other I can't tell. Are those the only two IPs that the problem is coming from as of now? [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 16:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Those are the only IPs that I've noticed so far. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] 19:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Ok in that situation, perhaps just block both IPs with account creation disabled? Then there would be no need to add the sites to the blacklist, as long as they don't switch IPs agian. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 19:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::It seems pretty easy to change IPs. I'll try it, but it seems like a partial solution. -[[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] 21:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Virtual Grub Street-related domains===<br />
Domains spammed or owned by Gilbert Leslie Purdy<br />
* gilbertwesleypurdy.blogspot.com<br />
* vgs-wiki-watchdog.blogspot.com<br />
* gilbert-wesley-purdy.blogspot.com<br />
* vgs-index-and-specialty.blogspot.com<br />
* vgs-pbr-reviews.blogspot.com<br />
* vgscomputerarchive.myblogsite.com<br />
* virtual-grub-street.blogspot.com<br />
* catalyzerjournal.com<br />
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User has repeatedly spammed en:Wikipedia for many months using many IPs. Warned multiple times and blocked twice.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:209.215.55.111] Has made legal threats against another editor.<br />
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See these prior discussions if you have further questions:<br />
*[[en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#Gilbert Wesley Purdy]]<br />
*[[en:WP:ANI#Gilbert Wesley Purdy spam + outing editors]] -- list of IPs and articles spammed<br />
*[[en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/2006 Archive Mar & Apr#Repeat spammer on dynamic IPs]]<br />
*[[en:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive92#Legal threat against editor]]<br />
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As for diffs, see the contributions for this partial list of IPs used:<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.108]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.130]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.138]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.15]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.184]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.214.14.89]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.215.55.111]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.215.55.47]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/209.215.55.85]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.80.202]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.80.203]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.80.207]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.80.209]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.80.210]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.81.226]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.81.228]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.114.82.71]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/216.76.208.49]]<br />
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After all this history, editor is still adding links using these new accounts:<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/63.3.17.129]]<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/63.3.17.1]]<br />
--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Please do some diffs are [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Garfield&diff=prev&oldid=47572899] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fanny_Kemble&diff=prev&oldid=44140822] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michelangelo&diff=prev&oldid=45451677]. Thanks! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 16:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::{{done}} as of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spam_blacklist&diff=524918&oldid=523966 this]. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 16:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Hugeurl.com===<br />
{{closed|done}}<br />
Recently mentioned on Digg, this is a site that works in practically the same way as Tinyurl, an already blacklisted site. No spamming (yet), but just attempting to preempt any attacks. [[User:ArdoMelnikov|Logical2u]] 21:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
: '''Done'''. —<small>{[[Meta:Admins|admin]]} [[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 21:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)</small><br />
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===goatse.cz===<br />
[[en:Goatse.cx|Self explanatory]]—[[w:User:Ryulong|Ryūlóng]] ([[w:User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 22:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Has it been spammed? [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 23:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== all-car-photos.com ===<br />
Constant spam on de.wp since November 2006 by diverse accounts I've just blocked: [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/SimonaFergusson|SimonaFergusson]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/EffesOler|EffesOler]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/KilieRet|KilieRet]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/CaddyDaddy1|CaddyDaddy1]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/Georgia78|Georgia78]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/GiovanniH|GiovanniH]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/Licafors|Licafors]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/Gorte|Gorte]], [[w:de:Spezial:Contributions/Vestarpfen|Vestarpfen]]. --[[User:Gardini|Gardini]] 23:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== digital-synthesizer.info and hostingphpbb.com ===<br />
{{closed|done}}<br />
Massive spamming from different IP addresses on several pages regarding currencies:<br />
*[[en:Special:Contributions/84.160.217.222]]<br />
*[[it:Speciale:Contributi/84.160.204.110]]<br />
*[[it:Speciale:Contributi/84.160.238.232]]<br />
*[[it:Speciale:Contributi/84.160.217.222]]<br />
*[[de:Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/84.160.238.232]]<br />
--[[User:Brownout|Brownout]] 01:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
: '''Done.''' —<small>{[[Meta:Admins|admin]]} [[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 01:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)</small><br />
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===Shayanashop.com===<br />
Spamming a lot of mushroom and psychedelic drug articles, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/85.242.226.223]. -[[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]] 07:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===elfurl.com===<br />
Another url-shrinking service (like TinyURL). [[User:Veinor|Veinor]] 17:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== classicpcgames.info ===<br />
This is yet another head of the hydra that is old-classics.{com,info} etc; redirects to already blocked free-game-downloads.mosw.com.<br />
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* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Betrayal_at_Krondor&diff=106084730&oldid=105577293 example] --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 17:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Proposed removals ==<br />
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|text=This section is for proposing that a website be ''un''listed; '''please add new entries at the ''bottom'' of the section'''. Remember to provide the specific URL blacklisted, links to the articles they are used in or useful to, and arguments in favour of unlisting. Completed requests will be marked as done or denied and [[/Archives|archived]]. See also [[Spam blacklist/recurring requests|/recurring requests]] for repeatedly proposed (and refused) removals.<br />
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=== A few sites ===<br />
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#These sites are redirecting requests from Wikimedia sites to a third-party site\.<br />
\.namebase\.org<br />
wikipedia-watch\.org <br />
google-watch\.org <br />
cia-on-campus\.org <br />
\.scroogle\.org<br />
yahoo-watch\.org<br />
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I came across an [[w:Daniel Brandt|article]] with these external links that weren't links, then viewed the source to see why. They are listed as &lt;nowiki&gt;, and the [[w:Talk:Daniel Brandt|Talk page]] has a discussion about them being [[Spam blacklist|here]] because they redirect. However, after clicking the links from an editing preview page, they don't redirect. Regardless of whether we agree with the content of the links, I don't see why they should be blacklisted, since the reason they're blacklisted is not (at least now) the case. [[User:Nathanm mn|Nathanm mn]] 00:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
: A [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/08/msn_bans_scroogle/ news article] reports that MSN Messenger is blocking www.scroogle.org. If true, could MSN be importing the spam blacklist? What are the liability implications for the Foundation if a domain is on this list that cannot accurately be described as spam? [[User:216.60.70.68|216.60.70.68]] 01:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Request denied (again) - same reasons as before. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 22:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::What reasons? The stated one on the Spam blacklist is wrong. They '''don't''' redirect requests from Wikimedia, I tested it. [[User:Nathanm mn|Nathanm mn]] 02:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::: Nathan, please be aware that any link to these sites on enwiki would be immediately reverted, and any editor repeatedly inserting or re-inserting them would be blocked from editing and most likely permanently banned. This is per ArbCom ruling. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 14:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Why are they still blacklisted though, when they no longer redirect? And technically, they are not spam. --[[User:Majorly|Majorly]] 14:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] 02:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::So basically, there's an ArbCom ruling to censor these links because they disagree with the content? That's what it sounds like to me at least. [[User:Nathanm mn|Nathanm mn]] 08:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::The real reason is that Raul654 thinks I am in the business of [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2006/12#Daniel_Brandt_sites stalking young children], but this is false and malicious and therefore libelous. I've never seen any evidence that there was an Arbcom statement on this topic. There is now a page at <b>wikipedia-watch.org/raul654.html</b> that places the blame entirely on Raul. If Arbcom is involved, and someone can provide a citation, I'll be happy to expand that page. --Daniel Brandt [[User:216.60.71.100|216.60.71.100]] 19:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::: Very droll. The real reason is that the arbitration committee on en: has ruled that linking to any site which "outs" the real identity of Wikipedia editors, or which contains personal attacks on editors, is a blockable offence. It is my understanding that mr. Brandt wants nothing to do with us, and the feeling is certainly reciprocated. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 21:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::: If the outing of Wikipedia editors is illegal, Wikipedia or the individual editors can take legal action. If it is not illegal, there is no reason to block links to his site. Even if we dislike him, giving the appearance of censorship on Wikipedia means he wins. If the redirection thing occurs again, then next to the text links there should be an explanation of why there are no "normal "links. It sure looked like censorship to me, and I'm a Wikipedia fan. -Alexbobp<br />
:::::I agree completely. If an editor's been "outed" on his site, alert them to that fact and let them take action on their own. It's not a reasonable justification for censorship. [[User:Nathanm mn|Nathanm mn]] 05:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Tell that to the arbitration committee on en. Oh, and do remember to use the word censorship - they especially like that, it's always a hallmark of a calm and reasoned request. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 15:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== hkmrr.hk.ohost.de/rundbrief.htm ===<br />
Used in [[:de:Rainer Riehn]]. Can't see what's wrong with that page, seems to be an application form to a reliable newsletter. --[[User:85.180.179.248|85.180.179.248]] 23:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:ohost.de is being used by spammers as well. You might try whitelisting on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Diskussion:Spam-whitelist. (No decision yet, if another admin does want to remove this from the blacklist, they have my blessing) - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 11:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===blog.myspace.com===<br />
Having trouble seeing how this is considered spam, but it's been recently added to the list, despite being pretty widly used (mostly on en.wikipedia) This site has a large number of user including a substancial number of musicians whose postings here had previouslly made it possible to link to copyrighted matrial this site had direct posting from the origional copyright owners and such was not a violation. There may have been a little spam from some, but the benifits that come from blacklisting this site are vastly outweighed by the problems that are caused... -- (sorry, no username on meta)<br />
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:I agree. Many celebrities, especially musicians, maintain MySpace pages and blogs, and the English Wikipedia, at least, allows these blogs to be used as sources. --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxamegalon2000]] 02:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::And I'm now unable to revert vandalism on any page that has a link to a MySpace blog without either going at it one section at a time or deleting the link, and deleting the link would itself be considered vandalism. I'd definitely like to see this hostname removed from the filters. --[[en:User:Psiphiorg|Psiphiorg (en.wikipedia.org)]] 19:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::I agree with the usefulnes of this site in general, and I'm not aware of any SPAM using it. --[[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 02:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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* Aha. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spam_blacklist&diff=509436&oldid=509204 Requested by Jimbo]. You may be wasting your time here. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 19:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::I've left a comment at his talk page. A small discussion has ensued, but he hasn't commented yet. --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxamegalon2000]] 18:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
: Well, this will mark the first time I disagree with Jimbo on something. MySpace blogs are very useful because they can be first-hand sources from many famous people (who have official MySpace pages). Will someone '''please''' whitelist this? --[[En:User:Liface|Liface]] 07:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Currently link articles in en:wikipedia:<br />
::* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.blogs.myspace.com current list] of articles that include the link *.blogs.myspace.com -- 1 link<br />
::* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.blog.myspace.com current list] of articles that include the link *.blogs.myspace.com -- 201 links<br />
::Here's the breakdown:<br />
::*5 links in 5 Image pages <br />
::* 42 links in 42 Article talk pages <br />
::* 19 in 17 User talk pages <br />
::* 42 in 40 User pages <br />
::* 1 in a Wikipedia talk page <br />
::* 49 in 45 Wikipedia pages <br />
::** 9 links in old articles for creation requests <br />
::** 32 links in AfD or VfD pages and logs <br />
::** 8 links in other Wikipedia<br />
::* 52 in 43 Article pages <br />
::--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've put the list on a user subpage: [[en:User:A. B./Sandbox9]] to give people a sense of the kinds of linked articles and the quality of the links. It can also serve as a clean-up list. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::There's also a discussion about this at [[en:Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources#Myspace|WP:Reliable Sources]] I've like to see this removed from the blacklist. If the authenticity of the MySpace owner is verified, I don't see why this can't be used as citations - [[User:60.240.174.126|60.240.174.126]] 10:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::I guess this is a final decision then as not only has it been blacklisted the link has just been deleted from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_Static Eat Static] breaking the reference it was part of which was to a blog on an official MySpace by a recognised authority (band member) - which is normally allowed by policy. I only found out it was blacklisted when I tried to restore it.[[User:82.41.98.219|82.41.98.219]] 02:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Just look at some of the MySpace blog citations [[en:User:Wizardry Dragon|Wizardry Dragon]] has been indiscriminately removing from articles even though their authenticity has been verified. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Southland_Tales&diff=prev&oldid=100999760], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hostel:_Part_II&diff=prev&oldid=100778095], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Towers_of_London&diff=prev&oldid=101003943], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lifehouse_%28band%29&diff=prev&oldid=101004093], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=White_%26_Nerdy&diff=prev&oldid=101912831], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ben_Folds&diff=prev&oldid=100752019], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rivers_Cuomo&diff=prev&oldid=100780542] and there's a lot more if you look at his contributions. - [[User:60.240.174.126|60.240.174.126]] 02:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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[[en:User:Wizardry Dragon|Wizardry Dragon]] has done the same thing to [[en:Feeder (band)|Feeder]] regarding a MySpaceblog that is the only way to back up the fact that the band raised 62,000 pounds at their gigs for the charity WarChild. I tried to re-add the link but he's blocked it and is definetly vandalism.<br />
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[[en:User:Marcus Bowen|Marcus Bowen]] 12:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I've reverted an edit to the [[en:Lance Bass|Lance Bass]] article that included a link to a MySpace blog as a citation, but I had to remove the link and just include the URL as text. I suppose until this site is removed from the blacklist, this is what we will have to do in order to properly cite our sources. --[[en:User:Psiphiorg|Psiphiorg (en.wikipedia.org)]] 19:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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I cannot understand why official sources are being blacklisted, this must be the single stupidest thing that I have ever seen Wikipedia do. Very confused and disappointed. --[[User:210.10.183.24|210.10.183.24]] 04:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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This a real pain in the ass. If you want to block MySpace images from getting inserted, then blacklist viewmorepics.myspace.com , and not blogs.myspace.com[[User:24.52.190.122|24.52.190.122]] 01:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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* We wanted to block myspace blogs, so blogs.myspace.com was exactly right. Thanks for asking, though :-) Myspace sites remain linkable, only the blogs are blocked. Individual blogs which are required as sources can be whitelisted on request, as at the [[:en:WP:AN|the admin noticeboard]]. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 14:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Well, I just tried editing the [[Kirk Cameron]] and [[Julie McCullough]] articles, in particular the portions that deal with how the former had the latter fired from ''[[Growing Pains]]'', which had a citation tag on it. I wanted to add a source so that I could remove the tag, and since McCullough discusses the matter on her MySpace page, I added a bit of material, and the source, but it got automatically reverted. I don't see why this should be so, and I'd like to know what Jimbo's reasoning is on this matter. And as far as reliable sources, well, I would think that McCullough herself is a pretty reliable souce on the matter. [[User:67.82.110.48|67.82.110.48]] 02:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===www.ohs.150m.com===<br />
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This is the legitimate home page of a legitimate high school. I don't know why it's blocked, maybe an issue with the hosting service, but I haven't been able to complete my edits to the school's wiki article because it contains a link to the school's website, which is a most necessary external link. [[User:Oknazevad|Oknazevad]] 20:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC) (sorry, didn't realize I wasn't logged in the first time.)<br />
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:Because of edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Everson_v._Board_of_Education&diff=prev&oldid=97744816 this one], 150m.com has been blacklisted. I haven't made a decision yet - I'll get back to this later if noone else beats me to it. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 13:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Andre the site 150m.com has multiple subdomains, each operated by different people. Blocking the whole site blocks all of those. Can't we just block by subdomain without blocking an entire domain? I ran across a user removing links to other subdomains based on the blacklist here, that are actually useful articles about a subject of an article on wikipedia. Thanks. [[User:Wjhonson|Wjhonson]] 21:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===iyisozluk.com===<br />
Hello my site (iyisozluk.com) is now black list.This site is online Multi language dictionary turkish from other 12 language therefor I'm adding my link to 3 article (dictionary,turkish,turkey) all wiki country sites. I thing this very much links for wikimedia. What can I do now for my site ?<br />
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:Looks like this link has been spammed, across multiple wikis, at least that is what I am taking "pan-wiki" spam to mean. From the blacklist [[Spam blacklist/Log|log]]:<br />
\.iyisozluk\.com # Jdforrester # pan-wiki spam<br />
Hope that helps. If there are pages in it that are good and relevent to a particular page, I suggest asking for white listing on that specific wiki. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 00:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===www.chiquitania.com===<br />
Please unblock this site. It is a non-profit, non-commercial site that exists only as an online resource for information regarding the Chiquitania, a geographic region of eastern Bolivia. I am trying to submit an article on this same region (none exists as yet on Wikipedia), and the Web site referred to is an invaluable source for further information. Thanks. --[[User ID: 3303832]] 11:47, 20 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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:It looks as if this was a problem on the Dutch Wikipedia with a Dutch tour operator spamming links to the chiquitania.com's links page. This happened after his own company's link was blacklisted as persistent spam. His company has a link on that chiquitania.com links page. See [[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2007/01#chiquitania.com]]. If the link is not removed from the blacklist here, you can probably get it whitelisted on the English Wikipedia only at [[en:MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist]]. Other language Wikipedias have similar provisions for whitelisting as well. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 05:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===mojeosiedle.pl===<br />
Dunno if this is considered 'widespread' but... The address above is a Polish site hosting various forums focused around different local communities in Polish cities of Tró)jmiasto (Tricity. The tagline on some of those reads: "Talk to your neighbour without leaving home.")<br />
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Link additions by:<br />
* http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specjalna:Wk%C5%82ad/Mojeosiedle_pl<br />
* various other IPs (see [http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specjalna:Szukaj?search=mojeosiedle&go=Przejd%C5%BA])<br />
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Since some of those edits came from one IPS, we blocked the whole subnet, pending addition to the blacklist. --[[User:TOR|TOR]] 17:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Can you please clarify? Is this a request to '''add''' a link to the blacklist? [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 02:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Suite101.com===<br />
Some of the writers in some of the topics on Suite101 have legitimate reasons to be cited. For example, one long gone movie columnist actually interviewed legit pros, and I published the ''only'' article on Loblaw's [[w:Sesame Beginnings]] licensing after Sesame Workshop issued a press release. I agree that yes, a lot of the time people post on Wikipedia only to drive traffic to the Suite's payment-per-2000-views structure. However, there are some legit writers there that don't do that, and let other Wikipedians link to their content. -- [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] 19:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:An additional information: we changed our writer payment model as of January 24, 2007. Writers do not directly benefit from page impressions in the future, (see Suite101's recruitment and payment terms) which was cited as one of the chief reasons when we were blacklisted. [[User:Bergerpeter|Bergerpeter]] 17:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::See the following for historical background on Suite101.com and its relationship to Wikipedia. <br />
::*[[en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/2006 Archive Dec]] <br />
::*[[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2006/12#suite101.com]]<br />
::*[[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2007/01#suite101.com]]<br />
::*[[en:MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist#Grandparent page on wikipedia]]<br />
::I copied the following from http:// www. suite101.com/writer_faq as of today:<br />
:::''"How long will it take before I start to earn money as a freelance writer?"''<br />
::::''"You start earning and accruing money right away, but how much depends on many factors including the rate at which you post new content, the quality of the articles, the aptness of your titles, the amount of promotion you do, the speed at which the search engines index and rank you... but you are paid your share of ad revenues on your material, in full, monthly."''<br />
::--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::: I really see no reason why Suite101 should be on the blacklist. The site is editorially controlled, reliable, and Wikipedia contributors acknowlege the referential value of many of its articles again and again. Our writers do get paid, and I believe that is appropriate for quality writing. If I understand correctly, Wikipedia is now adding rel="nofollow" tags to all external links (which I think is a great decision); that removes any incentive for people to abuse Wikipedia for search engine reasons. When Wikipedia contributors base their Wikipedia articles on Suite101 content, I strongly feel they should be able to refer to the original source of reference. [[User:Bergerpeter|Bergerpeter]] 17:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::There is currently a debate about possibly reversing the nofollow decision in the future, perhaps in several months after the current large SEO contest. It's unclear where that discussion's going. [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] has caught flack from many editors about this decision both from outside and inside Wikipedia (personally I support his decision). --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Our site is an editorially monitored writer network. Suite101 has tens of thousands of unique articles and currently 250 active Feature Writers. There has been no systematic spamming other than a few of our writers inserting links to their own articles. This has been solved and those writers won't do it again, since it was done in ignorance. The idea of the spam blacklist is to keep off persistent link spammers, not references to highly useful material or to ban sites that earn money and share revenues with writers; it would only be fair and in the interest of Wikipedia's rules to remove suite101.com from the spam blacklist. [[User:Bergerpeter|Bergerpeter]] 17:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::The site was blacklisted because someone promoted it. Your terms of use actually incorage people to link to items that they write. See the original blacklist request [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&oldid=472752#suite101.com here]. Sorry. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 22:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I've seen many examples of WP:OR issues from material referenced from this blacklisted site. This is in addition to the spam-linking which was regularly occurring before the blacklist was placed. I too I support the decision of [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] based on the spam concerns. [[User:71.111.138.207|71.111.138.207]] 01:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===wiener-gasometer.at===<br />
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Hello! I have uploaded some photos of the Gasometer in Vienna at the Commons of Wikipedia and wanted to add this photographs to the relevant pages on other language sites of Wikipedia. It was not my intention to produce spam. Please remove the URL from the Blacklist. I wont add a weblink to the URL on new image-descriptions any more and '''I am extremely sorry that I have done this'''. You will find on the website a non-commercial academic/scientific documentation of the Gasometer in Vienna. Greetings, Andreas Pöschek [[User:Andreas.poeschek|Andreas.poeschek]] 00:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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: Please remove this domain from the list. It is completely absurd to have this non-commercial site blacklisted. Today I was adding an entry to the Jean Nouvel list of works in the English Wikipedia, when suddenly I was transfixed by this spam filter unexpectedly blocking my edit, forcing me, in order to be able to save my contribution, to delete a perfectly legitimate link to a page from this domain (one showing illustrative photos and info on another of Nouvel's works), a link that was already there as part of the previous version, and it was there for a good purpose; it was not something I was adding in my edit, but I was inexplicably '''forced''' to remove that link because otherwise this automated filter bot wouldn't allow me to save a new version of the article. That was just crazy, and very frustrating and annoying. You want to have a spam filter to "protect" Wikipedia, that's OK, but please make sure its blacklist entries make sense and do not actually damage Wikipedia by forcing editors to remove existing legitimate links in order to be able to save their contributions. [[User:Uaxuctum|Uaxuctum]] 12:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:: '''Done.''' —<small>{[[Meta:Admins|admin]]} [[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 02:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)</small><br />
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=== whale.to ===<br />
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This is not a commercial site. Contains a lot of valuable information, with many external links and medical references from various sources. Lots of information on vaccination and various diseases. The site contains references needed for the pages [[en:Tetanus]] and [[fr:Tétanos]]. -- [[fr:Utilisateur:Bwass|Bwass]]<br />
:Looks like this was added a long time ago, needless to say we don't have any logs on when this was added or why. My assumption would be that it was added in in cross wiki spam. And what you are suggesting there looks to be adding it to multiple wikis. Are those the only wikis that need the link? If so I would suggest asking to have specific sections of the site added to the whitelists of the respective wikis. They can whitelist just the pages that are needed for references. Again without logs I really can't tell you why it was added in the first place, my assumption is that someone spammed it across multiple wikis, and or did so using multiple IPs. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 03:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd never heard of this site, so I spent about 10 minutes looking at the site and doing a quick Google search. Here's what I found:<br />
::First, take a look at the home page, scrolling all the way through it -- it looks very POV. Then a random sampling of pages:<br />
::*whale.to/m/map.html "Medical Mind Control"<br />
::**''"The methods used by Allopathic Monopoly to suppress the truth. Mostly propaganda---lies, hypnotism and Fearmongering. Aka Mind Control"''<br />
::*whale.to/w/nat.html "Natural Healing"<br />
::**''"80% of my patients were well just after doing my thorough bowel cleansing program."''<br />
::*whale.to/a/medical_mafia.html "The Medical Mafia"<br />
::**''"The worldwide Elite (Boss) of Allopathy. Aka The Drug Trust, Medical Monopoly, Cartel or Industry. Think IG Farben and Medical Fascism. Only the top people in Allopathy know the whole truth on Allopathic medicine, and covert-vaccine agendas."''<br />
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::A Google search on "whale.to wikipedia" turns up:<br />
::*whale.to/a/wikipedia.html "The Great Lie of Wikipedia: "the....encyclopedia that anyone can edit.""<br />
::*[[en:Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Whaleto]]<br />
::*[[en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Whale.to]]<br />
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::A narrower Google search on "whale.to spam wikipedia":<br />
::*[[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives]]<br />
::*[[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2006/07#vaccination.org.uk]]<br />
::*[[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2006/07#whale.to]]<br />
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::--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh nice! you found the logs. Great job A. B. [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 17:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== ueuo.com ===<br />
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I have a website as a subdomain of ueuo.com and want to add a link on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jingshen my Wikipedia user page].<br />
Ueuo.com is part of the Free Web Hosting Area which provides free hosting space and it doesn't spam as far as I know. I've been using it for a while. --[[User:Jingshen|Jingshen]] 09:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== oseculoprodigioso.blogspot.com ===<br />
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Came across this being on the blacklist while trying to edit the [[w:Charles_Demuth|Charles Demuth]] article. The link in the article looks legitimate, as does the site itself -- I'm not sure why it's blacklisted. --[[User:24.7.101.196|24.7.101.196]] 22:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:The link was being spammed across wikis. See [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&oldid=521706#oseculoprodigioso.blogspot.com.2F2007.2F01.2Fmonet-claude-post-impressionismo.html this] for more info. In fact the link was actually added by the same IP that was spamming the other wikis. (See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Demuth&diff=95406887&oldid=92251942 here]) The IP was 81.84.142.19, and it hit 11 wikis with that link (counting the english wikipedia link). Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 22:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Hmm, odd. It doesn't look like they're trying to sell anything; maybe just the work of an overenthusiastic site creator? Well, anyway, I'll defer to the admins -- mostly just curious. -[[User:24.7.101.196|24.7.101.196]] 05:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Same here, on French Wikipedia, with Amadeo Modigliani, I don't think it deserve to be blacklisted. Because, non commercial and rich in iconographie. Please, leave it out. Best regards. -- [[User:Perky|Perky]] 10:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::It was blacklisted because of cross wiki spam, exactly what this list is for :P. If it is suitable on a particular wiki, you can always request that the site, or even specific pages of said site, be whitelisted on your respective local wiki. For example it is [[en:MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]] on the english wikipedia. If you need it for another wiki, just ask here, and I can point you in the right direction. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 19:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===www.gabrielleray.150m.com===<br />
This link and its sublinks was blacklisted, and the related links have been removed from articles. It contains very useful information about older English and American musicals and persons connected with the theatre. Can it be reinstated, please? -- [[User:66.65.114.133|66.65.114.133]] 19:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:The whole domain has been blacklisted becuase of edits like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Everson_v._Board_of_Education&diff=prev&oldid=97744816 this one]. If that particular link is useful, perhaps ask for it to be whitelisted on the respective wiki. For the english wiki it would be [[en:MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]]. If you need it for another wiki, just ask here, and I can point you in the right direction. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 19:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::See my remark above on another 150m.com subdomain. As I pointed out there and as other people have remarked, blacklisting the entire domain removes useful content. Is there not a way to blacklist by subdomain? If so, I'd like to request the domain be whitelisted and just those offending subs be black. [[User:Wjhonson|Wjhonson]] 21:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===nolico.com===<br />
The Spam Blacklist complains about nolico.com on the Talk page for [[w:Compact_fluorescent_lamp]]. What evidence is there that nolico.com should be on the Spam Blacklist? [[User:Chrike|Chrike]] 05:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Troubleshooting and problems ==<br />
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===artnet.de===<br />
please unblock (first of all all magazine-articles): artnet sometimes has excess value, e.g. artnet.de/magazine/features/brauneis/brauneis06-30-06.asp -> great article & songs from the artist. there is no reason to block such an interesting page..!?!! 138.246.7.114 20:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Partially done. I have restricted the block to only artnet.de/artist - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 11:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::<strike>Why? Because there is sometimes between all the ads maybe an information? That doesn't make sense.</strike> --[[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] 07:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::Because it blocks the pages that were spammed before, and not the one that is mentioned here. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::I obey whatever the META Admins decide! I checked that link and it seems to make sense! 8-))) --[[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] 02:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::This looks {{done}} [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 03:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Sledtv.org===<br />
Was curious as to what happened to the sledtv.org site, then i saw that it had been blacklisted, did a little poking around and never saw any removals but one and no infractions, warings etc, why was this blacklisted? I believe it should not be, and should be reversed<br />
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:It was blocked as being one of a series of URLs, added by the same spammer from different IPs. Examples given were [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snowmobile&diff=79286243&oldid=79180764] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snowmobile&diff=98432733&oldid=98384896]. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 08:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===[[Rake Yohn]]===<br />
I was trying to revert a lot of vandalism on the Rake Yohn wikipedia page and I keep getting the spam blacklist thing. What's going on? --[[User:164.82.144.3|164.82.144.3]] 18:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:There must be a link in the page that has been blacklisted. Remove it and you should be able to revert. Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 00:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===StormBringer===<br />
I tried to put some code on the wiki in spanish but a message appeared that states that is black listed. This is part of the code:<br />
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I don't know what happened.<br />
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===<nowiki>http://ibtimes.com</nowiki>===<br />
Chronic spamming by [[en:User:Dck7777]], [[en:User:Wog7777]], and a bit by [[en:User:70.18.40.105]]. Total 118 contributions, all linkspam, all took forever and a day to cleanup: after reviewing, every link that proceded pattern <nowiki>http://ibtimes...</nowiki> was linkspam, and has been removed: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=ibtimes.com]. However, link with pattern <nowiki>http://www.ibtimes</nowiki> has quite a few valid links: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Linksearch&limit=250&offset=0&target=%2A.ibtimes.com]. I'm thinking it likely has something to do with how the link is placed to viewers on the outside vs. how they see them internally. Perhaps you could simply block <nowiki>http://ibtimes</nowiki>: it might be enough to slow the spammer down. -[[User:Patstuart|Patstuart]] 16:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{done}} - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 19:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::It appears to not be working. I ran a test page, and didn't get any problems: what's more, there were two more spammers added to the list of socks. All come from New York City. [[User:Patstuart|Patstuart]] 19:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Talk:Reparative therapy===<br />
I just tried to edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Reparative_therapy] and got the following:<br />
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::''Spam protection filter''<br />
::''From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia''<br />
::''Jump to: navigation, search''<br />
::''This is a talk page. Please respect the talk page guidelines, and remember to sign your posts using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).''<br />
::''The spam filter blocked your page save because it detected a blacklisted hyperlink. You may have added it yourself, the link may have been added by another editor before it was blacklisted, or you may be infected by spyware that adds links to wiki pages. You will need to remove all instances of the blacklisted URL before you can save.''<br />
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::''You can request help removing the link, request that the link be removed from the blacklist, or report a possible error on the Spam blacklist talk page. If you'd like to allow a particular link without removing similar links from the blacklist, you can request whitelisting on the Spam whitelist talk page.''<br />
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::''The following text is what triggered our spam filter: http://blog DOT myspace DOT com''<br />
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::''Return to Main Page.''<br />
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:(Note that in the above, I had to change the URL of the blacklisted text so I could post it here) After, I tried searching the text and found nothing. I copied all the text to my word processor, searched, found nothing. Please help. Thank you! [[User:Joie de Vivre|Joie de Vivre]] 18:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found the links and "broke" them -- the page is editable now. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thank you! Is this something that I, a standard editor, can do or learn to do? [[User:Joie de Vivre|Joie de Vivre]] 19:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Sure -- Look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Reparative_therapy/Archive1&diff=prev&oldid=104143418 what I did]. I just made sure there was not a complete, uninterrupted URL. I got rid of the http://www. part. <br />
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::::::Alternately, you could just put a spaces after the http:// and the www; a human can still interpret the link but browsers and MediaWiki software can't:<br />
::::::*http:// www .myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=7428306&Mytoken=20050611060821<br><br />
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::::::Blacklisted links often aren't very useful -- in such a case, just delete the link. I did not have the time to evaluate these links; we're less picky about link quality on talk pages. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===CSS code causing a hit===<br />
I recently tried to submit an error to [[w:Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser]]. As the error resulted in a fair amount of exception code, I posted this along with the report in case they needed it. To avoid cluttering up the page, I put it in an overflow section. However when I submitted it, the filter blocked it with the text cited being ''"overflow: auto; "'' and ''"height:"'' joined together (obviously I couldn't put it together as it would also trigger the filter. Surely this cannot be. '''''<font color="darkblue">[[User:Harryboyles|Harryboyles]]</font>''''' 10:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:See [[bugzilla:8829|bug #8829]]. --[[User:.anaconda|.anaconda]] 17:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===www.xs4all.nl/~wichm===<br />
There has been major vandalism to a featured article ([[Kinetoscope]]) involving the wholesale deletion of an entire top-level heading. I can't revert this edit because apparently this link in the original text exists. I am 100% certain it is not spam. As this article is likely to be on the front page soon, could this please be dealt with immediately so as to restore the featured article to its original text ASAP? Thanks, [[User:82.35.33.45|82.35.33.45]] (Girolamo Savonarola on en) 11:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:If you are referring to the English Wikipedia article, it appears that this problem has been fixed.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kinetoscope&diff=next&oldid=105759033] --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
* Removed from article, it was not necessary. As for not being spam, it appears it was wherever else it was added (see [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spam_blacklist&oldid=510448]). "At least one website picked this up" in a ref which included a proper source suggests that perhaps it was. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 16:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Other discussions ==<br />
* '''[[Spam blacklist policy discussion]]'''<br />
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===List_of_nicknames_of_European_Royalty_and_Nobility==<br />
I tried to add a link to the 'List of Treaty Titles for Monarchs' page on this page, but the update failed due to a link I didn't include (to an elzibethtudor site) how should I address the 'blacklisting after linking' that apparently happened, and how do I get my link added? I'm user Bo on wikipedia.<br />
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:Depending on the nature of the link you can:<br />
:* Remove the offending link<br />
:* Replace the offending link by a URL in text<br />
:* Ask on your Wikipedia for whitelisting or here for removal from the blacklist.<br />
:- [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 13:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Robert Saxon===<br />
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This page can't be edited - but I'm not clever enough to work out why. Suggest it be removed from blacklisting - all I wanted to do was add a flag to say that it looked like a fan site and needed attention. Thanks [[User:Testbed|Testbed]] 10:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)testbed<br />
:All you have to do is remove the link from the article, and you should be able to save. The software even points out what link is the problem ''The following text is what triggered our spam filter: blah''. Hope this helps, Cheers! [[User:Eagle 101|Eagle 101]] 00:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=V%C3%A4%C3%A4r%C3%A4_versio&diff=515532Väärä versio2007-01-20T14:00:40Z<p>Wwwwolf: valittamiskäytäntöpätkä</p>
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<div>''Muilla kielillä: [[The Wrong Version|english]], [[La Mauvaise Version|fran&ccedil;ais]],[[Die falsche Version| Deutsch]], [[La versione sbagliata|italiano]]''<br />
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[[Image:The Wrong Version.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Varoituskuva, jonka voi näppärästi lisätä suojattuun väärään versioon.]]<br />
'''Väärä versio''' on versio, johon artikkeli [[:fi:Wikipedia:Suojatut sivut|suojataan]] [[:fi:Wikipedia:Muokkaussota|muokkaussodan]] seurauksena. Tiedossa ei ole yhtään tapausta, jossa olisi onnistuttu suojaamaan oikea versio.<br />
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==Valittaminen==<br />
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Jos muokkaamasi sivu on suojattu ''väärään versioon'', muista, että tärkeintä on huomauttaa suojauksen tehnyttä ylläpitäjää siitä, että kyseessä on ''väärä versio''. Sinun kannattaa muistuttaa ylläpitäjää niistä vakavista seurauksista, jotka suojaaminen ''väärään versioon'' aiheuttaa, ja vaatia, että sivu suojataan välittömästi ''oikeaan versioon''. Jos ylläpitäjä kieltäytyy, on suositeltavaa vaatia ylläpitäjän ylläpito-oikeuksien poistoa. Vähintään kannattaa valittaa asiasta [[:fi:Keskustelu Wikipediasta:Suojatut sivut|suojattujen sivujen keskustelusivulle]], artikkelin [[:fi:Wikipedia:Keskustelusivu|keskustelusivulle]], ja ylläpitäjän keskustelusivulle. Voit myös yrittää sähköpostin lähettämistä kyseiselle ylläpitäjälle ja muille satunnaisesti valituille ylläpitäjille. Myös [[:fi:Jimmy Wales|Jimbo]] on kiinnostunut ongelmasta, joten jätä viesti hänen keskustelusivulleen ja vaadi ongelman korjaamista. Äläkä unohda postituslistoja tai [[:fi:Wikipedia:IRC|IRCiä]], levittämällä valitustasi mahdollisimman laajalle alueelle annat hyvän vaikutelman itsestäsi. Lakiuhkaukset ovat joskus tarpeen &mdash; keskusrikospoliisi ja Euroopan ihmisoikeustuomioistuin saattavat olla kiinnostuneita tapauksesta.<br />
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==Paras tapa valittaa==<br />
Muista, että ylläpitäjä joka suojasi Väärän version sivusta teki sen pelkästään ollakseen ilkeä sinulle. Muista, että ylläpitäjä ei koskaan suojaa sivua, jollei hän ole kiistassa asianosainen, ja on aina suojatun version mielipiteen puolella.<br />
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Jos löydät harvinaisia virallisia käytäntöjä jotka osoittavat miten väärässä suojattu versio on, ne pitää tuoda yhteisön tietoon. Jos Jimbo kommentoi edes vähän tilannetta, tai postasi ehkä vähän aihetta sivuten 5 vuotta sitten Usenetiin, muista viitata siihen. Ennen kaikkea muista mainita, että suojattu versio on selkeästi vandaalin käsialaa.<br />
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Siinä erittäin harvinaisessa tapauksessa että suojattu versio on oikea, on suositeltavaa että olet hiljaa. Olet luultavasti joka tapauksessa väärässä, koska suojattu versio on kuitenkin aina Väärä versio.<br />
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==Esimerkkejä valituksesta==<br />
Säästät aikaa käyttämällä seuraavia mallivalituksia. Kaikki ovat todellisia esimerkkejä englannin- tai suomenkielisestä Wikipediasta.<br />
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*Ei näköjään riitä, että käyttäydyt aivan sopimattoman epäneutraalisti [artikkeli]n kohdalla, päätit myös suojata version joka on selkeästi [[fi:Ohje:Tyyliopas/Artikkelin nimi|artikkelien nimeämiskäytönnön]] vastainen.<br />
*[Käyttäjä] on vandaali. Ole hyvä ja palauta artikkeli [toisen käyttäjän] viimeiseen muokkaukseen.<br />
*Jäädyttämällä [artikkelin] muotoon jota [käyttäjä] yrittää runnoa läpi, otat käytännössä hänen puolensa kiistassa. Vaadin että palautat artikkelin tilaan jossa se oli ennen kuin [käyttäjä] alkoi sekoilla sen kanssa, ja suojaat artikkelin.<br />
* Olisi kuitenkin varmaan ollut sopivampaa jos olisit suojannut artikkelista sen version, mikä kirjoitettiin ennen kuin [käyttäjä] [teki kaikenlaisia hirveitä juttuja, joista tässä pitkä lista]. Pitkälti [käyttäjä]n näkökulman mukainen versio on nyt virallinen Wikipedian versio ja sitä ei kukaan voi muuttaa.<br />
* Pyydän että luet kummatkin versiot ja poistat suojauksen, koska muuten käytännössä palkitset [käyttäjä]n ja hänen ystäviensä aggressiiviset muokkaukset.<br />
*Tiedämme molemmat että ei ole yhteensattumaa että suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon.<br />
*Suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon selvästi koska olette molemmat [ natseja | kommunisteja | vapaamuurareita | oikeustoradikaaleja | liberaalisekoja | radikaalifeministeja | sionistejä | skientologeja | anti-amerikkalaisia | amerikkalaisia | ruotsinkielisen mafian palkkalistoilla ] – kiellä vaan.<br />
* Miksi suojasit [artikkeli]n jonka [käyttäjä] vandalisoi? Tämä on selkeää vandalismia, eikä missään nimessä mikään muokkaussota.<br />
* Olit samaa mieltä tämän käyttäjän kanssa [toisessa artikkeli]ssa. Annat siis mielipiteitesi näkyä. Sivun suojaus on siis selkeästi Wikipedian sääntöjen vastainen.<br />
* Tämä sivu on suojauttu, että huono journalismi, puolueellisuus ja propaganda voidaan säilyttää. Tuskin mikään keskustelu tästä räpellyksestä auttaa, koska ylläpitäjät ovat selkeästi auttamattoman puolueellisia. He laittavat artikkelin eristyksiin, koska eivät voi myöntää heidän mielipiteidensä olevan heikolla pohjalla. Voimme riidellä tästä hamaan tulevaisuuteen, mutta ei ole epäilystäkään että jos ette voi myöntää että tällä lähteellä on arvoa, hyvää lopputulosta ei voi syntyä.<br />
* Syytän sinua puolueellisuudesta ja VÄÄRÄN SIVUN tahallisesta suojaamisesta.<br />
* Se, että tämä sivu on suojattu nykyiseen epätietosanakirjamaiseen, puolueelliseen tilaansa, on hyvä esimerkki tämän sivuston käyttäjäkunnan [ mustien | valkoisten | harmaiden, joilla on purppuralaikkuja ] vastaisesta mielialasta näitä kysymyksiä koskevissa artikkeleissa. En ole rohjennut käyttää tätä termiä aikaisemmin täällä, mutta nyt käytän. Wikipedia on pohjiaan myöten rasistinen. Tämä on selkeä esimerkki miten systemaattinen puolueellisuus toimii. Kun vastustajat eivät voi kumota väitteitä järkisyillä, heidän pitää leimata, luokitella väärin ja loata nämä näkökannat. Tämänlainen paskapuhe on selkeästi tyypillistä tälle sivustolle.<br />
*On mahdotonta saavuttaa konsensus oikeasta versiosta kun artikkeli on suojattu väärään versioon. Koko Wikipedian uskottavuus on vaakalaudalla, jos sanomalehdet kuulevat, että Wikipedia on julkaissut väärän version. Artikkeli pitää siksi välittömästi korjata.<br />
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== Terminologiaa ==<br />
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* '''Konsensusversio''': Se versio, mikä ei tällä hetkellä ole suojattuna.<br />
* '''Viitteetön epäneutraali lisäys''': Kaikki muutokset, mitä on tehty sivuun, jonka suojaus poistettiin vastikään, tai joka tullaan pian suojaamaan<br />
* '''Natsi''': 1. Kuka hyvänsä joka suojaa tai muokkaa sivua, joka koskee uskontoa tai Euroopan maantiedettä. 2. Wikipedian käyttäjä, jolla on ylläpito-oikeudet.<br />
* '''NPOV-muokkaus''': Mikä hyvänsä muokkaus, jota itse teet sivuun. Erittäin käyttökelpoinen esimerkiksi muokkausyhteenvedoissa.<br />
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== Lisäohjeita Jimbolta ==<br />
(Käännös englanninkielisestä viestistä [[The Wrong Version]]-artikkelissa)<br />
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Haluaisin antaa hieman lisävihjeitä ihmisille, jotka kääntyvät suoraan minun (Jimbo) puoleeni.<br />
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Ensinnäkin, on erittäin tärkeää että kirjoitat vähintään kuusi sivua tekstiä, jossa selität ja puolustat sitä versiota, joka on mielestäsi oikea. Mitä yksityiskohtaisempi selitys, sen parempi. Olen erittäin kiinnostunut kaikkien vähemmän tunnettujen <del>Saksan</del> <del>Puolan</del> Preussin jokien nimistä. Kerro myös Bigfootin pään muodoista. Minä olen selkeästi paras ihminen päättämään, mikä on totta.<br />
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Toiseksi, kaikki tietävät että minulle on rutiinia pakottaa artikkeli näyttämään täsmälleen sellaiselta mitä haluat. Blokkaan pitkäaikaisia käyttäjiä ja ylläpitäjiä jos sille päälle satun, ihan vain jos joku sinun kaltaisesi pyytää sitä. Muista vain pyytää rohkeasti.<br />
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Kolmanneksi, parempi kun et vain pyydä, pikemminkin vaadi. Uhkaa poislähdöllä jos asiat eivät korjaannu 24 tunnissa. Tämä toimii aina.<br />
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Neljänneksi, jos tiedät että henkilökohtaiset poliittiset sympatiani ovat samat kuin sinulla, saat aivan vapaasti haukkua vastustajiasi. Esimerkiksi, koska olen yleisellä tasolla Israelin puolella, voit aivan vapaasti haukkua Israeliin kriittisesti suhtautuvia ihmisiä "Natseiksi". Innostun varmaan niin, että blokkaan heidät. Hitto, saatanpa kirjoittaa uutta MediaWiki-koodia, joka mahdollistaa sen, että vain sinä ja haluamasi henkilöt voivat muokata sivuja!<br />
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Ja lopuksi, jos jostain käsittämättömästä syystä en toimi kuten viisas ehdotuksesi edellyttää, muista kertoa kaikille että Wikipedia on huijausta ja vain jokin halpa keino kerätä rahaa. Se on kapitalistisen riiston väline. Se on liberaalien leikkikenttä jossa ei ole standardeja. Se pohjautuu kommunismin periaatteisiin. Se on kollektivistinen. Se on individualistinen. Se on tarpeeton. Se olisi tärkein asia maailmassa, jos vain minä en ryssisi koko hommaa. Siinäpähän vanha Jimbon jäärä saa sitten kuulla kunniansa paremmiltaan!<br />
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&mdash; Jimbo Wales 6. helmikuuta 2004, 13:32 UTC<br />
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=== fxwords.com gocurrency.com forextradingllc.com ===<br />
{{closed|done}}<br />
There's a medium-sized linkspam effort against Wikipedia underway from <br />
"gocurrency.com", "fxwords.com" , and "forextradingllc.com" (the parent organization of these.)<br />
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.fxwords.com fxwords.com Wikipedia references](48 links)<br />
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.gocurrency.com GoCurrency.com Wikipedia references] (5 links)<br />
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These sites have no real content; they exist to draw Google and Yahoo pay per click traffic. <br />
GoCurrency sales pitch: ''"Advertise with us! One of the fastest growing websites in its category, GoCurrency traffic has increased by twelve times the amount from May through October of 2006. Get on board to reach a unique global audience of 690,000 unique users with 2 Million page views per month!"'' gocurrency.com/advertise-with-us.htm Fxwords is a glossary of financial terms, which gives them an excuse to link from Wikipedia for many of the words in their vocabulary.<br />
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Some editors are cleaning out the links, per a discussion in Village Pump, but a link block might be in order. (User Nagle on Wikipedia; having trouble logging on Meta.)--[[User:71.139.171.30|71.139.171.30]] 22:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{done}}. Please, don't give direct links to these sites, they make this page uneditable. [[User:MaxSem|Max<font size="+1">''S''</font>em]] 23:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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We are not trying to spam Wikipedia. Yes we are adding links. But they are to decent additional definitions in the case of FX Words - if this is not wanted that is fine but too completely block us seems a little obsessive. GoCurrency provides travel information but more helpfully a free converter for people to use on their sites with other tools we have paid to get developed.<br />
:Hey, addition of unwanted links IS called spamming. See [[:en:WP:EL|relevant policy]]. [[User:MaxSem|Max<font size="+1">''S''</font>em]] 18:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== worldtopix.com ===<br />
Ongoing, repeated spam across multiple pages on multiple projects from a number of different Southwestern Bell IPs.<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HTML-f%C3%A4rger&diff=3323421&oldid=3184365]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Bukowski&diff=3324317&oldid=3087541]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Galileo_Galilei&curid=11071&diff=3453159&oldid=3425121]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Miller&diff=prev&oldid=3412822]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mario_Vargas_Llosa&diff=3353703&oldid=3192020]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hermann_Hesse&diff=3337937&oldid=3307577]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gabriel_Garc%C3%ADa_M%C3%A1rquez&diff=3329661&oldid=3187538]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annie_Lennox&diff=3331952&oldid=2836342]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annie_Lennox&diff=3335749&oldid=3331955]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=E-post&diff=3354270&oldid=3104455]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mozilla_Firefox&diff=3341416&oldid=3308540]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=G%C3%A4stbok&diff=3298304&oldid=2565357]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Webbplats&diff=3298410&oldid=3063418]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bosnien_och_Hercegovina&diff=3298611&oldid=3271518]<br />
[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Graz&diff=3378483&oldid=3356398]<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casablanca&diff=99526933&oldid=99307692]<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hermann_Hesse&diff=96539321&oldid=95504159]<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annie_Lennox&diff=96363196&oldid=95830722]<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bosnia_and_Herzegovina&diff=96506312&oldid=96496872]<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bosnia_and_Herzegovina&diff=96472118&oldid=96471298]<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=E-mail&diff=97099509&oldid=96923157]<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gabriel_Garc%C3%ADa_M%C3%A1rquez&diff=96505839&oldid=96325677]<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gabriel_Garc%C3%ADa_M%C3%A1rquez&diff=96325677&oldid=95338965]<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Galileo_Galilei&diff=100188328&oldid=100123283]<br />
...you get the idea. ''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 10:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 19:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::You get the idea?????All those pages from worldtopix.com are HIGHLY RELEVANT to the content,and provide a lot of information not found on wikipedia.It is a contribution,not spam,obviously!!!So,what can be done to unblock worldtopix.com url on wikipedia?Please answer this question.Thank You.(worldtopix.com editor). 13 January 2007<br />
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:::Please see the section on [[:en:Wikipedia:External links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided|links to be avoided]] in the English Wikipedia guideline on external links, particularly points one (there is no reason the information couldn't be found on Wikipedia, and I doubt you verified that it wasn't in the Swedish articles), three (please consider contributing beyond simply adding external links), and possibly five (my filtering kills the ads, but the source code gives the impression there might be quite a few of them). Then continue down to ''[[:en:Wikipedia:External_links#Advertising_and_conflicts_of_interest|Advertising and conflicts of interest]]'' and read the sentence "You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked." Read the section's main article on spam and [[:en:Wikipedia:Spam#How_not_to_be_a_spammer|how not to be a spammer]] and note point two and the point about adding the same link to many articles under point five.<br />
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:::I would also expect you to familiarise yourself with [[:sv:Wikipedia:Externa länkar|Swedish Wikipedia's views on external linking]]. (This may require you to learn Swedish first, which may seem harsh if it's a foreign language to you, but remember that ''you'' made the decision to add the links there, and when spamming in Rome...) In particular, note the bit that says that "svenskspråkiga webbplatser bör föredras framför sidor på andra språk" and "undvik att länka till webbplatser du själv har stark koppling till." Also note the bit on the appropriate number of external links.<br />
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:::''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 17:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== wichm sites ===<br />
Especially on the Dutch (nl) Wikipedia but also on the English (en), French (fr) and German (de) Wikipedia's someone anonymously (see <br />
[http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/213.46.120.163], <br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.46.120.163],<br />
[http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.46.120.163],<br />
[http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Contributions/213.46.120.163] and maybe other IP addressed too) or with the user name 'Wichm' (see [http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Contributions/Wichm] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wichm]) has added several dozens of external links to his own pages on Internet starting with<br />
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www.xs4all.nl/~wichm <br />
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members.chello.nl/a.wichmann <br />
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On the Dutch Wikipedia in the last few months several people informed him on his talkpage ([http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Wichm]) and the IP-talk page ([http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:213.46.120.163]) that he shouldn't add external links to his own pages and that he should stop spamming Wikipedia. He was informed on January 4 on his talkpage that I would request these links to be added to the blacklist if he would continue spamming. On January 6 he replied that all his links are relevant. Even after I confronted him with the evidence that his links are labeled by the local wikipedians of Wikipedia's in these 4 languages as spam and/or not-relevant he keeps claiming that he only added a few links and those had additional value. In total the number of links to his pages is probably more like 50 instead of only a few! And on January 10 he again added a link to one of his pages. [http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sekte&diff=5620956&oldid=5557560] So I think it is now time to add the following lines to the blacklist:<br />
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www\.xs4all\.nl\/\~wichm <br />
members\.chello\.nl\/a\.wichmann<br />
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to stop this spamming. Only on the nl-Wikipedia some 25 different articles were involved and on the en-Wikipedia the number is probably smaller but still significant. Protecting pages is therefore no option. - [[User:Robotje|Robotje]] 12:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I just checked the English Wikipedia -- 38 links total today across a wide range of articles. <br />
:*[[en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#cross-wiki spammer: xs4all.nl/~wichm and members.chello.nl/a.wichmann]]<br />
:I agree that the blacklist is the best way to stop him. Many thanks, [[User:Robotje|Robotje]] -- we didn't even know this guy had [[User talk:A. B.#Oookay!?|broken into the kitchen]] until we saw your listing here. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{done}} - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 19:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== ghazporkindustrial.com ===<br />
A site which hosts personal attacks on Wikipedia editors (including me), removed here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AOperation_CWAL&diff=100303458&oldid=95475994], also spammed to my talk page and other places, some remain in archives [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.ghazporkindustrial.com]. Per ArbCom ruling we do not link to sites which attack Wikipedia editors, and this is not a source for anything anyway. --[[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 21:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}}. The given links are clearly unwanted, and a cursory check of the site did not give any indication there is much useful for Wikipedia c.s. to link. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 11:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you, kind sir. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 13:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===royalessence.com, medi-vet.com===<br />
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Over many months, rosewater and dog pill peddlers spammed these links using 10 different accounts to many articles over a wide range of topics (from [[en:Rosewater]] to [[en:White Rose (oil field)]] to [[en:Sufami Turbo]]). Final warnings don't work -- spammer was at it again today within the last 24 hours. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rosewater&diff=prev&oldid=100381037] See [[en:ET:WPSPAM#royalessence.com and .medi-vet.com]] for links to user talk pages, edit histories, etc. Also, check this out (registration required/discretion advised) [[http://www.syndk8.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7543][http://www.syndk8.net/forum/index.php/topic,3970.msg82076.html#msg82076].<br />
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--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}}. I can however not follow the link that you provided - et: is the language code for Estonian, so I am brought to [[et:WPSPAM]], which does not exist. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 11:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry -- it was late when I typed that. It should have read [[en:WT:WPSPAM#royalessence.com and .medi-vet.com]] --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 05:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== xrl.us ===<br />
Automatic redirecting site similar to shorl.com used to bypass blacklistings. ''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 16:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Was already here. I fixed it, thank you. --[[User:.anaconda|.anaconda]] 01:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== abolishthegmc.blogspot.com ===<br />
There has been a long-running dispute on a number of articles both extant and deleted in respect of a campaign by a small group of poeple to abolish the [[:en:General Medical Council|General Medical Council]]. The blog, abolishthegmc.blogspot.com, has been linked to the GMC article, two new POV forks created today, other articles on related matters. [[:en:Talk:General Medical Council/Archive 1]] shows the kind of thing. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=General_Medical_Council&diff=100475871&oldid=100474450] is a typical edit, reverting removal of the blog for the umpteenth time. We've had to protect the GMC article in the past to stop this vandalism. Since the blog is tendentious in the extreme and is never ever going to be a reliable source for anything, I wonder if you wouldn't mind blacklisting it please. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 18:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== gentleurl.net and urlic.com ===<br />
Automatic redirecting sites similar to shorl.com used to bypass blacklistings. ''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 05:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{done}}, thank you. --[[User:.anaconda|.anaconda]] 15:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== www.declarationofindependents.net ===<br />
Ad-riddled site added to numeorus articles, often by banned edit warrior [[:en:User:JB196]] and his many socks and IPs. see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/198.138.41.183] for an example of JB196 re-inserting these links as anon, and here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tommy_Dreamer&diff=prev&oldid=100684874] as a sock.<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net linked from User talk:EthandeSade<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/187/homicideonmaff.html linked from Nelson Erazo<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/3pwcloses4gd.html linked from Pro-Pain-Pro Wrestling<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/awaaz.html linked from Azriael (wrestler)<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/chrisfeedback.html linked from Chris Candido<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/corinopcwst.html linked from Steve Corino<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/index1.html linked from Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/BooyakaDell<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/interviews/todgordon.html linked from Tod Gordon<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/interviews/alex.html linked from Alex Shelley<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/interviews/roderickstrong.html linked from Roderick Strong<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/interviews/carnagecrew.html linked from Matt Knowles<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/interviews/rickyvega.html linked from Ricky Vega<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/interviews/machete.html linked from Ricky Vega<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/interviews/jaylethal.html linked from Jay Lethal<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/interviews/rf.html linked from Rob Feinstein<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/johnsu.html linked from John Stagikas<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/kevingoalreached.html linked from Kevin Matthews (wrestler)<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/nigelmcinterv.html linked from Nigel McGuinness<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/reviews/mic_reviews/mctapereviews/ecw112396.html linked from Mass Transit incident (ECW)<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/reviews/mic_reviews/mctapereviews/fh.html linked from Mass Transit incident (ECW)<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/specialsubmits/xpwhistory.html linked from Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/BooyakaDell<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/specialsubmits/quebec.html linked from Jacques Rougeau<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/spotlight/april.html linked from April Hunter<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/spotlight/maff.html linked from Dan Lopez<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/spotlight/johnwalters.html linked from John Stagikas<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/spotlight/chrishero.html linked from Chris Hero<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/spotlight/cmpunk.html linked from CM Punk<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/tammy.html linked from Tammy Lynn Sytch<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/xpwbarberaug.html linked from Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/BooyakaDell<br />
#www.declarationofindependents.net/doi/pages/xpwbarberaug.html linked from Tommy Dreamer<br />
Cleaning this lot up now. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 13:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{done}} - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 08:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 13:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== makeminemarvel.com ===<br />
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From en-wiki: "The owner of www.makeminemarvel.com - which is an entirely non-notable blog is spamming various marvel comic pages from various ip addresses including www.makeminemarvel.com. He has been doing this for 3-4 months and refuses to stop. He takes no notice of comments or warnings left on the various ip pages. I emailed him directly and he indicated that he has no intention of stopping. Can it be added to the spam blacklist? --[[User:Larry laptop|Larry laptop]] 15:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)" --[[User:Majorly|Majorly]] 15:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{done}}<br />
:--[[User:M7|M/]] 15:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== beginwork.by.ru and testftp.by.ru ===<br />
Repeated porn linkspamming, always vandalizing and replacing existing articles, like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spoons_sex_position&diff=prev&oldid=100787363 here] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sexual_intercourse&diff=100787790&oldid=100787702 here] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.209.240.81 here]. Persistent and frequent. [[User:Fan-1967|Fan-1967]] 02:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Done. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 08:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===odele.ru et al===<br />
* odele.ru<br />
* chr.ru<br />
* atst.ru<br />
* iapb.ru<br />
* kamaztorg.ru<br />
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I previously requested [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2006/12#astore.amazon.com.2Fchuvashiaportal_etc here] that these sites are blacklisted. Although en.wikipedia did do a IP range block[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive146#Amazon_affiliate_spam], the spam has returned, most recently through sneaky template spamming ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Amazon_affiliate_spam discussed here]) which introduced 3500 links. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Bank-stub&diff=prev&oldid=100199320 example1], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Business-stub&diff=prev&oldid=100199669 example2]. We are monitoring the astore.amazon links, but please now blacklist these Russian affiliate sites. Thanks. -- [[User:Zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[User_talk:Zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 15:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Done. I checked on the Russian Wikipedia whether these didn't happen to be 'good sites with bad', but at least the first 4 gave the impression that the few links that were there had to be spammed (links to the home page from various city articles, in one case to three of them from the same article). The last one seemed to be validly linked once, but we cannot get rid of *all* collateral damage. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===nobelpr.com et al.===<br />
* poldow.com<br />
* nbaoh.com<br />
* nobelpr.com<br />
* npcart.com<br />
* nobmer.com<br />
These have been linked by spam bots of several IP addresses the last few days (see contribs [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.28.162.2] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/85.114.184.85]). <br />
These may also be part of the same or similar behavior:<br />
* brainparad.com<br />
* nobel-winners.com<br />
(these last two seem to be just plagiarizing Britannica online; some of the earlier ones may be doing the same)<br />
[[User:24.6.152.39|24.6.152.39]] 17:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} I have blocked the first 5 you gave. Brainparad.com seems to be set up different from the other five; I therefore do not have the impression it is the same people being behind it. Their actions may be bad, but we are here to stop spam, not to judge the internet. Of nobel-winners.com I could not even ascertain its existence. If you find it's being spammed, refer to this message and I'll blacklist semi-automatically. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
* Brainparad.com & nobel-winners.com seem to be exactly the same, but they have no advertising and are not selling any product. However, they do seem to be copying britannica without permission and claiming the content is GFDL. Compare [http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9062632/Norman-Foster-Ramsey] and [http://physics.nobel.brainparad.com/norman_foster_ramsey.html] for an example. [[User:J.smith|J.smith]] 02:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===shumilloff.jino-net.ru/===<br />
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Recently vandalised the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sexual_intercourse&diff=101004127&oldid=101004035|Sexual intercourse]] page, and also the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leapfrog_sex_position&diff=prev&oldid=101004551|Leapfrog Sex Position]] page... <shudder> -[[User:82.39.71.86|82.39.71.86]] 01:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Looks like that website redirects to aim-search.com. I support blacklisting that subdomain. However, I can't tel whats on www.jino-net.ru since it's in Russian. [[User:J.smith|J.smith]] 02:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 18:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===searchtexoma.com, nationwidebillrelief.com, surfquotes.com===<br />
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Spammer uses multiple anon. and sock accounts[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:71.96.181.77][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:24.116.127.234][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rhondahudson][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Johnnyhudson][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pumkin] to spam searchtexoma.com and cognigen.net (see next request below). Sample diffs: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lake_Texoma&diff=prev&oldid=92150875], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Texoma&diff=prev&oldid=93937843], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phone_card_depot&diff=prev&oldid=100734605]. Blocks[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:71.96.181.77][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:24.116.127.234], warnings and numerous appeals to reason[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:24.116.127.234] have not slowed this spammer down. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Two more accounts [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ronaugu], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rachelgarl] and two more domains: nationwidebillrelief.com[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Local_telephone_service&diff=prev&oldid=70323356] and surfquotes.com[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vehicle_insurance&diff=prev&oldid=101226119]. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 03:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::We keep finding more and more spam history. The spammer has been extremely disruptive when confronted. The most comprehensive summary of it all is at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ronaugu en:User talk:Ronaugu]. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===ld.net, myld.net, cognigen.net===<br />
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See this [[Talk:Spam blacklist/Archives/2006/12#providetechnology.com, etc|2006 comment]] from the December Blacklist talk archive. These interconnected companies have rich payment schemes. (They're the "next big thing" in affiliate marketing and multi-level marketing). We've gotten spam from several unrelated spammers[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#steelecommerce.com_and_related_sites][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#providetechnology.com] and now[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phone_card_depot&diff=prev&oldid=100734605] I thought these had been blacklisted earlier; in any event I'd like to request you do so now. Thanks, --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===modlibrary.net===<br />
modlibrary.net/proxy/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5kZWNsYXJhdGlvbm9maW5kZXBlbmRlbnRzLm5ldC9kb2kvcGFnZXMveHB3c2QuaHRtbA--&hl=1111101001 is a proxy link to a recently blacklisted site. This is an open proxy not a redirector, unlike tinyurl it adds a banner and post-processes the site. Unquestionably needs blacklisting.<br />
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Ditto www.waterfordhomeschool.org/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5kZWNsYXJhdGlvbm9maW5kZXBlbmRlbnRzLm5ldC9kb2kvcGFnZXMveHB3YmFyYmVyYXVnLmh0bWw-&hl=1111101001<br />
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[[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 11:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}}, thank you. --[[User:.anaconda|.anaconda]] 11:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===tiny.cc===<br />
Just a routine addition of a new Tiny URL domain name. All the existing domains are blacklisted, so there should be no requirement for diffs. [[User:Heligoland|Heligoland]] 12:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{done}}, thank you. --[[User:.anaconda|.anaconda]] 12:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===tutorial5.com===<br />
This site has been added to the Ping article on the English wiki three times from different IP locations and always with an anonymous user. --[[User:Mdwyer|Mdwyer]] 20:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
* http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ping&curid=24265&diff=100898516&oldid=100896319<br />
* http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ping&diff=prev&oldid=100292946<br />
* http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ping&diff=prev&oldid=99441676<br />
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:Currently two links on en-wiki. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.tutorial5.com]. Website has max amount of AdSense. [[User:J.smith|J.smith]] 02:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:: {{notdone}} Withdrawn. I'll try page protection, first. --[[User:Mdwyer|Mdwyer]] 17:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== jino-net.ru ===<br />
More massive pornlink spamming/vandalism of articles, from multiple IP's, like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leapfrog_sex_position&diff=prev&oldid=101004551 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sexual_intercourse&diff=101015214&oldid=101015087 here]. [[User:Fan-1967|Fan-1967]] 02:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:shumiloff.jino-net.ru has been blocked. Blocking the whole site would give too much collateral damage, I think. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 18:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== shoulderinstitute.co.za ===<br />
An annonymous user keeps adding the links back to the http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frozen_shoulder page, despite numerous warnings. There has NEVER been any response, they just keep adding it back. Since the IP addresses are from the NZ area, I think the adds in in violation of WP:EL, specifically adding links to youself. --[[User:Mdwyer|Mdwyer]] 16:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{notdone}} - it is my opinion that soft-protection should be tried first in such a case. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===www.old-classics.com===<br />
The eighth URL that leads to the same warez paysite. Spammed by one-use-only anons at a rate of maybe one or two per day. Appeared shortly after the first seven were blacklisted. Could you do the honors? --[[User:Kizor|Kizor]] 20:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===by.ru.ru===<br />
Latest round of the search engine linkspamming of sex articles on en, like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.83.34.44 these]. [[User:Fan-1967|Fan-1967]] 03:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== Another open proxy ===<br />
www.clandrake.org, "your preferred proxy destination" (same text as at least one of those blocked earlier today). There's a whole list of them at http://www.publicwebproxies.com/web_proxy_servers_1.html, actually. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 15:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Added most of them. Thank you. --[[User:.anaconda|.anaconda]] 21:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== pressreleasegold.com and 57 friends===<br />
Spams a wide range of articles with a number of domains:<br />
* asiannet.com , colonhealth.net , deerelkhunting.com, etanklesshotwaterheater.com, firsthearingaids.com, malektips.com , medicalhairtransplantation.org, nolico.com , pressreleasegold.com , southbeach-diet-plan.info, toxicblackmoldhelp.org, treatacidreflux.org, treatgenitalwarts.org, treatnailfungus.org<br />
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The owner's list of domains was identified 29 November 2006; we've seen him slowly roll them into Wikipedia one by one since then,<br />
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Additional sites are owned by the same owner and can be expected to appear soon. All are useless junk. If you're willing, I'd like to ask they be blacklisted now so as to save aggravation over coming weeks. Here they are:<br />
* aatrax.com, abilogic.com, alaska-adventures.net, alaskatrophyadventures.com, allthewebsites.org, bangkoksmiledental.com, biohealthchip.com, cancerhelponline.org, captainjacksalaska.com, cureheartburn.essential-sugar.com, datingsoftware.org, delllaptopreviews.info, disability-resource.com, drug-rehabcenter.com, fishswiftsure.com, fjaproducts.com, GlycoExpert.com, globaltelesis.com, h57-hoodia.net, homehealthcaredepot.com, investigation.com, jpidata.com, kenai-guides.com, kuuloakai.com, link-pimp.com, linkhelpers.net, medipro.com, mysolitaire.com, online-shopping-catalogs.com, phonecardsmile.com, profish-n-sea.com, purehealthsystems.com, riverpirate.com, seattlefishing.com, selfhealingexpressions.com, skagwayfishing.com, skincancernet.info, skoobe.biz, smartwomensupplements.com, surgeryconcerns.com, tgfusa.com, thehyips.info, yearstoyourhealth.com<br />
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User contributions:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.234.114.215][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Valueman][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.162.183.71] -- more domains being used and as yet unidentified. Still spamming today[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hearing_aid&diff=prev&oldid=101283841] after many warnings and a block. See my user subpage, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:A._B./pressreleasegold.com User:A._B./pressreleasegold.com] for more detail if desired. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===myspace.com/anchoredcross===<br />
Disruptive spammer and occasional vandal spams this link using 9 different accounts (that we know of) to multiple articles. Warnings and a block have only made this person feistier. Here is the busiest of the 9 accounts' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.213.157.206 edit history]; see the [[en:User talk:76.213.157.206#myspace.com/anchoredcross spam summary|detailed summary]] at [[en:User talk:76.213.157.206]] for more edit histories and accounts. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 04:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===joseplacido.net===<br />
It was suggested I post this case here - the full discussion can be found at: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#joseplacido.net Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#joseplacido.net]. Basically, two sites joseplacido.net and .com seem to have been created only to redirect to the Wikipedia page for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Pl%C3%A1cido_Caama%C3%B1o José Plácido Caamaño]. Also, the link was added to that page and the page for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pl%C3%A1cido_Domingo&diff=prev&oldid=84525839 Placido Domingo]. Is it just weirdness or something worth adding to the blacklist? [[User:24.26.130.181|24.26.130.181]] 17:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:From what I have been told, it looks like a hijack attempt (one of which succeded on the NL page). The .com version of the page should be blacklisted, too, then.[[User:24.26.130.181|24.26.130.181]] 21:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== Excessive list related===<br />
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Ecessive long term spammer Owns and spams All of these domains on a multitude of articles on the English Wikipedia. (whois confirms the same owner as does these being adsense account pub-3279714273926761). Obviousy he's adept at abusing and disrupting Wikipedia. Even wrote a how to article on it [http://www.crazysportsfan.com/sites/sports-search-engine-optimization.html Future of Sports Search Engine Optimization ]. Please strongly consider these, the abuse by this individual cleary is becoming unmanageable.<br />
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*onlineloanofficers.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interest-only_loan&diff=prev&oldid=77318557][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unsecured_loan&diff=prev&oldid=78956112][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benefactor&diff=prev&oldid=81363036][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antichresis&diff=prev&oldid=81367538][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adjustable_rate_mortgage&diff=prev&oldid=90287959][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bankruptcy_risk_score&diff=prev&oldid=90290532][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Debt_consolidation&diff=prev&oldid=91564567][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asset_protection&diff=prev&oldid=100990595][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Annuity_%28finance_theory%29&diff=prev&oldid=101372492][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Real_estate_appraisal&diff=prev&oldid=101374943][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Appraised_value&diff=prev&oldid=101376866][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asset_protection&diff=prev&oldid=100990595][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buydown&diff=prev&oldid=101381936][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Credit_rating&diff=prev&oldid=101384435][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asset_protection&diff=101378035&oldid=93457871][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cross-collateralization&diff=prev&oldid=101385871]<br />
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*shaadibliss.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mail-order_bride&diff=prev&oldid=95083621][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marriage_websites&diff=prev&oldid=79597830][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Madhuri_Dixit&diff=prev&oldid=77670559][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unrequited_love&diff=prev&oldid=77668640][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Friend_zone&diff=prev&oldid=77604822][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bipasha_Basu&diff=prev&oldid=76956914][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Udita_Goswami&diff=prev&oldid=76517112][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rati_Agnihotri&diff=prev&oldid=76512912][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Supriya_Pathak&diff=prev&oldid=76511578][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Smita_Patil&diff=prev&oldid=76509350][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pooja_Batra&diff=prev&oldid=76373413][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meenakshi_Seshadri&diff=prev&oldid=76372534][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jaya_Prada&diff=prev&oldid=76370790][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deepika_Padukone&diff=prev&oldid=76361809][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships&diff=prev&oldid=75416865][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Mark_Karr&diff=prev&oldid=73331425][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kal_Penn&diff=prev&oldid=69178019][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sexless_marriage&diff=prev&oldid=66514287][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marriage_websites&diff=prev&oldid=58166263][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marriage_crunch&diff=prev&oldid=57688134][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tamluk&diff=prev&oldid=56288758][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fresh_off_the_boat&diff=prev&oldid=51913062]<br />
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*crazysportsfan.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jay_Witasick&diff=prev&oldid=72769699][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamie_Walker&diff=prev&oldid=72768879][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Shields_%28pitcher%29&diff=prev&oldid=72768589][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jake_Woods&diff=prev&oldid=72768346][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greg_Aquino&diff=prev&oldid=72767664][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grant_Balfour&diff=prev&oldid=72767289][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giovanni_Carrara&diff=prev&oldid=72766974][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Sherrill&diff=prev&oldid=72766680][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gary_Majewski&diff=prev&oldid=72766302][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freddy_Garc%C3%ADa&diff=prev&oldid=72765970][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fernando_Cabrera&diff=prev&oldid=72765295][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fabio_Castro&diff=prev&oldid=72764863][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erik_Bedard&diff=prev&oldid=72764516][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emiliano_Fruto&diff=prev&oldid=72764101][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edwin_Jackson&diff=prev&oldid=72763791][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doug_Davis&diff=prev&oldid=72763445][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doug_Brocail&diff=prev&oldid=72763208][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Weathers&diff=prev&oldid=72762569][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dave_Gassner&diff=prev&oldid=72762114][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Darrell_Rasner&diff=prev&oldid=72761784][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Damion_Easley&diff=prev&oldid=72761365][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cristian_Guzm%C3%A1n&diff=prev&oldid=72760826][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Snyder&diff=prev&oldid=72760004][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Shelton_%28baseball_player%29&diff=prev&oldid=72759680][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Gomez&diff=prev&oldid=72759129][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Britton&diff=prev&oldid=72758528][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brian_Moehler&diff=prev&oldid=69167643][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brian_Anderson_%28outfielder%29&diff=prev&oldid=69167446][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brandon_League&diff=prev&oldid=69167204][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brandon_Fahey&diff=prev&oldid=69166944][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brandon_Duckworth&diff=prev&oldid=68140281][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brad_Radke&diff=prev&oldid=68139436][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Wheeler&diff=prev&oldid=68138963][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brad_Hawpe&diff=prev&oldid=68138116][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Bray&diff=prev&oldid=68137849][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ben_Johnson_%28baseball_player%29&diff=prev&oldid=68069745][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arthur_Rhodes&diff=prev&oldid=68069409][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ambiorix_Burgos&diff=prev&oldid=68069042][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adri%C3%A1n_Gonz%C3%A1lez&diff=prev&oldid=68068765][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aaron_Sele&diff=prev&oldid=68051513][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aaron_Miles&diff=prev&oldid=68050988][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aaron_Fultz&diff=prev&oldid=68050608][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bernie_Castro&diff=prev&oldid=68050314]<br />
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*gurusofdating.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Platonic_love&diff=91220859&oldid=89770031]<br />
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*yourmoviepal.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casablanca_%28film%29&diff=prev&oldid=90263437][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Gods_Must_Be_Crazy&diff=prev&oldid=90266350][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casablanca_%28film%29&diff=prev&oldid=90263437]<br />
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*presidentpolls2008.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ramsey_Clark&diff=prev&oldid=90280247]<br />
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*amifobornot.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fresh_off_the_boat&diff=prev&oldid=82852299][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fresh_off_the_boat&diff=prev&oldid=82852299]<br />
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*nflsystems.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bodog&diff=prev&oldid=79787911][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Added_game&diff=prev&oldid=66033467][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Circled_game&diff=prev&oldid=66031592][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buying_points&diff=prev&oldid=66030234][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Total_bases&diff=prev&oldid=58928234][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bounce_back_betting_system&diff=prev&oldid=58161305][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bounce_back_betting_system&diff=prev&oldid=58161176][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zig-zag_%28betting%29&diff=prev&oldid=56487188]<br />
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*camsfaq.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Streamate&diff=prev&oldid=79589171][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_Thailand&diff=prev&oldid=59251615][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Massage_parlor&diff=prev&oldid=59237662][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Azusa_Hibino&diff=prev&oldid=58169814][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Streamate&diff=prev&oldid=55548243]<br />
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*didbarrycheat.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jorge_Sedano&diff=prev&oldid=56293172]<br />
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*lasvegasbuyeragent.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inglewood%2C_California&diff=prev&oldid=52275983]<br />
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*sportus.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Odds_checker&diff=prev&oldid=58927411][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Middling&diff=prev&oldid=58547910][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soft_lines&diff=prev&oldid=58546769]<br />
*easybaseballbetting.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Action_bet&diff=prev&oldid=58168219][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sports_Betting_Systems&diff=prev&oldid=54210261]<br />
*gapsn.org [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fresh_off_the_boat&diff=prev&oldid=51913062]<br />
*wes.org [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Certified_Financial_Planner&diff=prev&oldid=81682306]<br />
*city-data.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Summerlin%2C_Nevada&diff=prev&oldid=79597227]<br />
*poojabatra.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pooja_Batra&diff=prev&oldid=76373413]<br><br />
I hope All could be added to the list. Thanks--[[User:Hu12|Hu12]] 17:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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* This is the result of some amazing detective work by Hu12 and is actively being discussed on the [[en:WP:AN#Community_ban_of_sneaky_spammer|enwiki Admin noticeboard]]. There is unanimous support for a ban on the user. The spam is being cleaned up slowly (there is a lot of it). [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 20:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===crazyarabs.moonfruit.com===<br />
This website has a large button on its front page soliciting viewers to spam the URL on Wikipedia, and indeed it's happening: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Restoration_literature&diff=101589921&oldid=101588893] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Restoration_literature&diff=101587327&oldid=101585503]. In addition, there is advertising of it on Wikinews: [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Arab_hatessite_sparks_massive_protests this] is just one of the examples. I think it's in the best interest that we do the best we can to stave off as much insertion of this URL as we can. [[User:Messedrocker|Messedrocker]] 21:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Added to the BL, removed the link from the Wikinews' article. Thank you. --[[User:.anaconda|.anaconda]] 21:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===—years.com===<br />
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There is already a filter <code>(?:cup|league|football|wayne|premiership|steven|united|athletic).*years\.com</code> for football (soccer)-related sites with little content and heavy advertising. The same people behind the site seem to have created more sites of a similar ilk and spammed Wikipedia with them recently, including:<br />
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*manchestercityyears.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manchester_City_F.C.&diff=prev&oldid=101640898]<br />
*arsenalfcyears.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arsenal_F.C.&diff=prev&oldid=101640652]<br />
*birminghamcityyears.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Birmingham_City_F.C.&diff=prev&oldid=101627629]<br />
*plymouthargyleyears.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plymouth_Argyle_F.C.&diff=prev&oldid=101544306]<br />
*sunderlandafcyears.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sunderland_A.F.C.&diff=prev&oldid=101544197]<br />
*fulhamfcyears.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fulham_F.C.&diff=prev&oldid=101544088]<br />
*portsmouthfcyears.com [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portsmouth_F.C.&diff=prev&oldid=101582184]<br />
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Could the established filter be extended to take these sites into account? A full list of sites this entity produces is available from e.g. [http://www.arsenalfcyears.com/links/index.html] [[User:Qwghlm|Qwghlm]] 22:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===ffi.travelscope.co.uk===<br />
Has been getting constantly added as link spam to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_World_Cup Rugby World Cup] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Rugby_World_Cup 2007 Rugby World Cup], despite constant warnings to stop. Has been added by multiple IP's. - [[User:132.181.172.129|132.181.172.129]] 01:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== Various en.wp spam sites ===<br />
* hotmailpk.com<br />
* apnamess.com<br />
* newbestweb.com<br />
* myspace-wallpapers.com<br />
* www.bookclub9.com<br />
All receiving multiple entries by the same user on the English Wikipedia. Diffs can be provided as necessary. The first three are owned by the same person. [[User:Ral315|Ral315]] ([[en:User talk:Ral315|talk]]) 04:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===xx-viewer.com===<br />
Few additions, but apparently cross-language, was added twice at en [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AThailand-related_topics_notice_board&diff=101764764&oldid=101416531], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AThailand-related_topics_notice_board&diff=100992697&oldid=100066880] at twice on fr [http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion_Utilisateur%3A80.193.98.46&diff=12868907&oldid=12778388], [http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion_Utilisateur:Escaladix/w/index.php&oldid=13394454]. Maybe other languages affected as well. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|Ahoerstemeier]] 11:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{done}}, thank you. --[[User:.anaconda|.anaconda]] 11:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===airport-shuttle.com===<br />
Site advertising a French airport taxi business. Spammed by Israeli IP addresses, several of which run web servers (serving up a blank page on port 80), presumably open proxies, to multiple language editions using poorly auto-translated link captions.[http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A%C3%A9roport_de_Paris_Beauvais_Till%C3%A9&diff=3497465&oldid=3281232][http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A%C3%A9roport_de_Paris_Beauvais_Till%C3%A9&diff=3497949&oldid=3497531][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beauvais&diff=96527263&oldid=96256657][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_de_Gaulle_International_Airport&diff=prev&oldid=98619868][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orly&diff=98619714&oldid=98463232][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paris_Beauvais_Till%C3%A9_Airport&diff=99522601&oldid=98953519] ''—[[User:LX|LX]] ([[User_talk:LX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/LX|contribs]])'' 14:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}}, spammed also on the French Wikipedia. --[[User:.anaconda|.anaconda]] 21:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===[[en:NICO Club|NICO Club]] Spam in en:Wikipedia===<br />
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There are numerous links to web sites affiliated with this organization and its webmaster.See these links for interesting background: first[http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=210074&highlight=Wikipedia], then [http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=2041351&postcount=16] (be sure to hit the links at the bottom), then [http://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=50538] and [http://www.webbrainiac.com/forums/profile,mode,viewprofile,u,190.html]<br />
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''"NICOclub's Nissan forums and Infiniti forums and all affiliated sites are the property of HDS Holdings, LLC. They are independent publications and are not affiliated with or endorsed by Nissan Motor Company or Nissan North America."''<br />
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Domains involved: 240sx.org, 240sxconvertible.com, 240sxtech.com, 350zclub.org, altimacoupe.com, g35club.org, gtrclub.org, HybridAltima.com, infiniticx.com, infinitionlinemechanic.com, J30club.com, M30club.com, Muranoclub.com, m35forum.com, m45forum.com, maximaclub.org, nissancommercials.com, nissanforia.com, nissanonlinemechanic.com, nissantech.com, nissanterranaut.com, nissanversa.org, Q45.org, QX56club.org, RB26DETT.com, VQ35DE.com, vh45de.com, vq35hr.com, azhitman.com/, homephotog.com, Z32club.org, webbrainiac.com<br />
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There is a remaining domain, nicoclub.com, but it's a link within [[en:NICO Club]] -- we need to get rid of that article somehow first (the organization may be notable, which makes that tricky).<br />
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[[en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#NICO Club links]] has the full story, including accounts doing the spamming, etc. We gave them one more chance and they blew it this morning.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nissan_200SX&diff=prev&oldid=101807975]<br />
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Thanks, --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Search engine optimization contest===<br />
There is apparently a contest that has been devised to essentially spam whatever they can. It has already hit the English Wikipedia at [[en:Globalwarming awareness2007]] (deleted and protected) and at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greenhouse_gas_inventory&diff=101669011&oldid=91785528] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Awareness&diff=101691321&oldid=101671692] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Awareness&diff=101529468&oldid=101441603], but members of the Spam WikiProject have found the main list of links. The full list is [[en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#SEO world championship|here]], and there is a discussion at [[en:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Globalwarming awareness2007/SEO world championship -- expect a spam onslaught.]] I am making this request on behalf of the English Wikipedia (mainly [[en:User:Wizardry Dragon|Peter M. Dodge]]).—[[w:User:Ryulong|Ryūlóng]] ([[w:User talk:Ryulong|<font color="gold">竜龍</font>]]) 08:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
* Seconded (as another admin on en:). None of these have any conceivable encyclopaedic use. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 09:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===old-classics.info===<br />
This is a website that hosts abandonware games, which is, as far as I know, ''not'' exactly why we have External links sections in en.wikipedia. Worse - it's a ''pay-for-access'' abandonware site, so linking there is pure spam of highly dubious nature, plain and simple. It keeps getting added to various articles on en.wikipedia by anonymous users.<br />
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.old-classics.info Link search on en.wikipedia]<br />
* Some samples of what's been done:<br />
** [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultima_VI&diff=101944944&oldid=99650142 link on Ultima VI by 216.160.19.26, Jan 20th]<br />
** [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wasteland_%28computer_game%29&diff=101588038&oldid=99629592 link on Wasteland (computer game) by 194.57.60.193, Jan 18th]<br />
** [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_Chess&diff=98541965&oldid=90299569 link on Battle Chess by 63.192.50.82, Jan 5th]<br />
Thanks in advance. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 12:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Proposed removals ==<br />
{{messagebox<br />
|text=This section is for proposing that a website be ''un''listed; '''please add new entries at the ''bottom'' of the section'''. Remember to provide the specific URL blacklisted, links to the articles they are used in or useful to, and arguments in favour of unlisting. Completed requests will be marked as done or denied and [[/Archives|archived]]. See also [[Spam blacklist/recurring requests|/recurring requests]] for repeatedly proposed (and refused) removals.<br />
}}<br />
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=== Middlesell ===<br />
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\.middlesell\.com<br />
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My name is Jared Fausnaught and I propose that this be removed from the Spam blacklist. I am one of the managers for Middlesell.com. Our website is not a spam site, it is a student portal. Please see for yourself.<br />
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Also, I would like to know why this was originally added here in the first place.<br />
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Regards,<br />
Jared<br />
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:If you're bored, here are a few of many links you could peruse:<br />
:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam/2006_Archive_Dec#University_of_Mary_Washington<br />
:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dannyisme#.22Right_to_Vanish.22_abused<br />
:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:67.131.148.171<br />
:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:A._B.#University_of_Mary_Washington<br />
:* http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Analyzethis<br />
:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/199.111.70.130<br />
:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/199.111.71.54<br />
:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/199.111.74.57<br />
:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/199.111.85.50<br />
:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/67.131.148.171<br />
:* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.202.109.43<br />
:--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== kunstmarkt.com ===<br />
Has been blocked upon a request saying that it were a commercial site (a lie), and there were too many links to it (too many being about 50) in the Wikipedia. <br />
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This is not a commercial site. It exists for more than a decade, and its content was always free, is free, and will remain free, as one of the makers told me. Unlike typical commercial news and newspaper portals, they never expire/delete their aticles. There is no comparable source (by size and depth of coverage) about art, artwork, artists, museums, exhibitions, etc. online in German language.<br />
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Imho, ''only'' about 50 links from the WP to a site having hundreds of thousends of free articles on paintings, artists, etc. etc. is really not too much. Disallowing such links completely, appears insane to me. <br />
--[[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 11:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Usually I agree with [[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]], in this case I strongly disagree. Kunstmarkt purpose is to sell art. The pictures there are not free, but under copyrights. It's a sad situatiion that we have such strong copyright-laws on photographs of art and I understand the problems wiki-contributers have. Nevertheless, Wikipedia is not a link-container, therfore kunstmarkt has to stay on the list. --[[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] 09:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Kunstmarkt.com does not sell art. They do sell advertizing space to art exhibitors, galleries, and the like. Of course what they publish is copyrighted, and free. This is the exact same situation of Wikipedia articles, which are copyrighted, and free. So where's the problem? --[[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 10:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::P.S. even ''if'' they were selling art, what is the problem linking to one or another of their excellent artists bios, which are free, and granted to stay as long as the Website exists? --[[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 10:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's a 100% commercial site, that's what I say. I really have a big problem with commercial website that have 50 entries on one(!) Wikipedia. We do not provide advertising webspace. That's not what I'm working for. And you are a hardcore-wikipedian, you know how much crap is already in "our" articles. We need to maintain high standards, otherwise we'll be nothing else than myspace, ebay or the yellow pages. Regarding the bios, it's our work to write an article about an artist, not generating a stub in the Wikipedia and linking to external information that we should provide. --[[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] 11:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I agree on better having own quality articles in the Wikipedias than links. When there is no one (up to now) who writes such an article, or when there is another ressource having (a considerable amount of) material for further reading, an image galley, etc., then there is no point in not linking to it - wether or not the site offering it is considered commercial by some or not - as long as its content is free, reliable, and good. If we are not even ruling links out because target sites are doublessly commercial, such as http://mircosoft.com/ or http://ibm.com/ or http://daimler-chrysler.com/ , even less can we generally forbid links to pages which are non-commercial, or at best dispudely commercial sites. We DO provide advertizing space. Recently there was an advert of a record company to be found on the top of all pages of all wikimedia foundation supported wikies, alongside with an advert fo the Wikimedia Foundation. Also noone, or at least not me, would not put any blame on you, if you did not suggest http: /kunstmarkt.com/ pages for further or supplementary reading in articles authored by you. But your intent to disallow the same for all other authors of all Wikimedia wikies, based on personal prejudice as it appears to me, is counterproductive and detrimental to the value of Wikipedia as a ressource for free information. --[[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 12:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::::The good news is, that both of us try to improve quality. The microsoft/daimler/whatsoever-links are not good examples. That's different. Maybe you have a look on the DE-Wikipedia where I deleted all most of the kunstmarkt links. You'll see that most of the articles are stubs or better stubs. The people go the easy way and that's another point. You are right, prejudice is counterproductive, but how's free of that. My decision to ask for further blocking is based on WP:WEB, the articles where the link has been and the website kunstmarkt itself. I do not try to fight for an old decision I made to have look like I was right then. It's not that I want to harm the kuinstmarkt guys or Wikipedia. For Wikipedia I try to do all I can to make it a better one. --[[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] 13:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Reading the above arguments makes me regard this blocking even more questionable. You didn't only remove "''most of the kunstmarkt links''" - you deliberately cut off each and every editors freedom to insert such links in any of the wikimedia wikies. Removing links to (usable) external ressources from stub articles serves the purpose of excessively downgrading the use of such articles for everyone. Readers now do not even find wanted information elsewhere. Editors of little knowledge willing to improve the article are deprived easy access to some of the information they should need to know. Editors who did not have the ressources to make a better article, but want to keep a note for others, likely feel set back when their effords are being wasted, and maybe leave the Wiki again in frustration. As I said, I don't mind when such a link is removed when it became superfluous after a stub article evolved, and the place a link points to isn't offering additonal information any more. I do mind global blocking of a useful ressource for everyone on every wiki based upon no real ground. Blocking is a countermeasure to linkSPAMming, i.e. excessive and/or unrelated, likely automated, mass-insertion of links. It has to be a last-resort type of decision, because otherwise editors freedom would be hampered. With about 50 articles in a half million+ having links to pages of a specialized thematic website of comparable size (332600 pages according to Google) I think you cannot speak of masses of links, and you never sugested, these links were made automatically, for ill reasons, nor that they were totally useless. So removing the blackmailing and restoring editors choices is imho the only sensitive solution. --[[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 16:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
Kunstmarkt.com is a news site. There is no organised spam from this site to be found. --[[User:88.76.209.112|88.76.209.112]] 23:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:The total ammount of articles is not an argument to block or leave it alone. I would agree on the stub use, but the result will be that the stub stays a stub. There will be no effort to improve, that is what I've learned in the Wikipdia so far. Create a stub, slam a few links into it and forget it. That's how it goes. And the Internet is no the only source we can use, there are still books around! I really don't think that somebody will leave the Wikipedia if one website is blocked. Nobody who is interested in Wikipedia work would do that. Every(!) possible information from this site has to be in the article and not on external websites. There is no need to allow a website for selling art on the Wikipedias. I'm sorry for any hardship that may occure here or there, the greater good is the Wikipedia itself. We are running in circles. --[[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] 07:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::This is not a website for selling art, even though [[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] keeps repeating that. Even it it was, this is not a cause for blocking. The opinion, editors were lazy, is not a valid argument for blocking a web site. There is no proof of SPAMming, not even a potential for suspiction therof. All there is, is a personal prejudice of a single user, who, so it appears to me, wants to use the power of blacklisting as an educational measure against disliked editors. Let's suggest [[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] to make articles better instead of calling for unjustified site blocks. --[[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 02:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::I agree; this should be removed. The spam blacklist should be specifically for spamming, not a repository of every commercial site on the web. Commercial sites that aren't being spammed should be included or not included in the normal manner---by just editing the pages, or talking on talk pages if there's a disagreement. --[[User:Delirium|Delirium]] 07:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== A few sites ===<br />
<pre><br />
#These sites are redirecting requests from Wikimedia sites to a third-party site\.<br />
\.namebase\.org<br />
wikipedia-watch\.org <br />
google-watch\.org <br />
cia-on-campus\.org <br />
\.scroogle\.org<br />
yahoo-watch\.org<br />
</pre><br />
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I came across an [[w:Daniel Brandt|article]] with these external links that weren't links, then viewed the source to see why. They are listed as &lt;nowiki&gt;, and the [[w:Talk:Daniel Brandt|Talk page]] has a discussion about them being [[Spam blacklist|here]] because they redirect. However, after clicking the links from an editing preview page, they don't redirect. Regardless of whether we agree with the content of the links, I don't see why they should be blacklisted, since the reason they're blacklisted is not (at least now) the case. [[User:Nathanm mn|Nathanm mn]] 00:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
: A [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/08/msn_bans_scroogle/ news article] reports that MSN Messenger is blocking www.scroogle.org. If true, could MSN be importing the spam blacklist? What are the liability implications for the Foundation if a domain is on this list that cannot accurately be described as spam? [[User:216.60.70.68|216.60.70.68]] 01:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Request denied (again) - same reasons as before. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 22:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::What reasons? The stated one on the Spam blacklist is wrong. They '''don't''' redirect requests from Wikimedia, I tested it. [[User:Nathanm mn|Nathanm mn]] 02:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::: Nathan, please be aware that any link to these sites on enwiki would be immediately reverted, and any editor repeatedly inserting or re-inserting them would be blocked from editing and most likely permanently banned. This is per ArbCom ruling. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 14:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Why are they still blacklisted though, when they no longer redirect? And technically, they are not spam. --[[User:Majorly|Majorly]] 14:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] 02:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::So basically, there's an ArbCom ruling to censor these links because they disagree with the content? That's what it sounds like to me at least. [[User:Nathanm mn|Nathanm mn]] 08:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== hkmrr.hk.ohost.de/rundbrief.htm ===<br />
Used in [[:de:Rainer Riehn]]. Can't see what's wrong with that page, seems to be an application form to a reliable newsletter. --[[User:85.180.179.248|85.180.179.248]] 23:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:ohost.de is being used by spammers as well. You might try whitelisting on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Diskussion:Spam-whitelist. (No decision yet, if another admin does want to remove this from the blacklist, they have my blessing) - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 11:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== www.animals-pictures-dictionary.com ===<br />
This site is in the blacklist for a long time, it was used in many articles. I think its a good animals information website, and it surly doesn't belong to the blacklist. 16:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam/2006_Archive_Sep#Spam_or_not_spam.3F for the background on these people. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes I've seen it already.<br />
*Many sites have links from more than 16 articles.<br />
*Many sites have AdSense... Even more agressive from this one.<br />
*For searching animals pictures, the site is very useful (with all due respect, in my opinion, google images is not the best place to search images...)<br />
*There are exactly 2 articles that are parts of a Wikipedia article in the "Domestic Cats" section, and both of them have links to the original.<br />
*The site has some useful articles that can be added to wikipedia as more info to the surfer.<br />
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I've seen many spam sites that don't belong here, I believe this site shouldn't be one of them...<br />
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:{{notdone}} - first specify a specific page and a specific link you want to put there, then I will consider. Not out of the blank. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 19:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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OK my friend, for example:<br />
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: Animals Article:<br />
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:*Animals Pictures and Information - http://www.[remove this]animals-pictures-dictionary.com<br />
:*Animals useless facts - http://www.[remove this]animals-pictures-dictionary.com/rec/415-1<br />
:*Creating new breeds - Frizzle chicken - http://www.[remove this]animals-pictures-dictionary.com/rec/297-1<br />
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:Snakes Article:<br />
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:*Dealing with non-venomous snake bites - http://www.[remove this]animals-pictures-dictionary.com/rec/408-1<br />
:*Treating and Preventing Venomous Snakes Bites - http://www.[remove this]animals-pictures-dictionary.com/rec/382-1<br />
:*Venomous Snakes breeds info - http://www.[remove this]animals-pictures-dictionary.com/cat/18-Snakes-Venomous/<br />
:*Non-Venomous Snakes breeds info - http://www.[remove this]animals-pictures-dictionary.com/cat/17-Snakes-Non-Venomous/<br />
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I couldn't add these links without changing the url to a fake one... so please remove the "[remove this]"...<br />
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I can give more examples but i think thats enough...<br />
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:{{not done}} Looks to me like 'where can I add a link to this site on Wikipedia', not 'where can I find a good link for this Wikipedia article'. In other words, spam. Given the reason for the addition, I need more convincing reasons to remove it. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 16:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===TVRage.com===<br />
I requested this a couple months ago to be removed from the Blacklist.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2007/01#TVRage.com] I thought the original request was laughable and unfair.[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spam_blacklist/Archives/2006/10#tvrage.com]. His response was "Spammed on a daily basis to lots of articles, its owner has also admited to spamming it." It was spammed? All articles with links to the site were completely relevant, and had just as much right to be in the article as the TV.com links. I thought the purpose of the lniks were to add other sites that gave more about it's subject. Just because TVRage was an article that has been deleted off of Wikipedia (something I disagreed at the time, but now that I understand the policies more clearly see that the site wasn't notable, and didn't meet [[en:WP:Web]]. I don't think that should decide whether or not the site is a "spam" site or not. The links weren't added on a daily basis. To "lots of articles"? So? Unless they were irrelevent, I don't see a big issue that couldn't be discussed on the Talk Page. The "owner admitted spamming it"? Um, that guy wasn't an owner. He was just affiliated with the site. Right here- h t t p : / / t v r a g e . c o m / p r o f i l e s / J o h n Q . P u b l i c / b l o g s / ? v t i m e = 2 0 0 6 1 1 2 2 (remove spaces) you can see that he left. He was shortly banned from Wiki, and is no longer associated with the site. I see no issue with him. This site isn't constantly spammed. I admit to adding a couple links to sites with no links at all, so I thought it could improve the article at anycase. (I discuss on Talk Pages now when it comes down to External Links). I really want the opinions of others, not a simple "REJECTED" See here where it was requested. I have see where it was. I read it. Links to two articles where an indef. blocked user spammed isn't a very good excuse. --[[User:Linalu24|Linalu24]] 20:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I wholeheartedly agree with you that TvRage should be removed from the blacklist or added to the whitelist (either way the result would be the same). But to add to your argument, you should indicate specific articles that would benefit from information from TvRage. Also a TvRage article should now be created seeing as how TvRage has been climbing in web traffic rank according to its alexa listing (http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=tvrage.com). [[User:129.7.254.33|129.7.254.33]] 23:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Linalu, I think a better place to rehash a dispute that occured on particular Wikipedia is to take it back to that Wikipedia. I suggest you open the discussion at [[en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam]] and get consensus there. Also, in a previous post, you mentioned you were active on some other Wikipedias? You might have people on those other Wikipedias leave comments on your other user talk pages, then include those talk page links [[en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam]] remarks. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===blog.myspace.com===<br />
Having trouble seeing how this is considered spam, but it's been recently added to the list, despite being pretty widly used (mostly on en.wikipedia) This site has a large number of user including a substancial number of musicians whose postings here had previouslly made it possible to link to copyrighted matrial this site had direct posting from the origional copyright owners and such was not a violation. There may have been a little spam from some, but the benifits that come from blacklisting this site are vastly outweighed by the problems that are caused... -- (sorry, no username on meta)<br />
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:I agree. Many celebrities, especially musicians, maintain MySpace pages and blogs, and the English Wikipedia, at least, allows these blogs to be used as sources. --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxamegalon2000]] 02:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::And I'm now unable to revert vandalism on any page that has a link to a MySpace blog without either going at it one section at a time or deleting the link, and deleting the link would itself be considered vandalism. I'd definitely like to see this hostname removed from the filters. --[[en:User:Psiphiorg|Psiphiorg (en.wikipedia.org)]] 19:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::I agree with the usefulnes of this site in general, and I'm not aware of any SPAM using it. --[[User:Purodha|Purodha Blissenbach]] 02:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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* Aha. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spam_blacklist&diff=509436&oldid=509204 Requested by Jimbo]. You may be wasting your time here. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 19:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
: Well, this will mark the first time I disagree with Jimbo on something. MySpace blogs are very useful because they can be first-hand sources from many famous people (who have official MySpace pages). Will someone '''please''' whitelist this? --[[En:User:Liface|Liface]] 07:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Currently link articles in en:wikipedia:<br />
::* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.blogs.myspace.com current list] of articles that include the link *.blogs.myspace.com -- 1 link<br />
::* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=*.blog.myspace.com current list] of articles that include the link *.blogs.myspace.com -- 201 links<br />
::Here's the breakdown:<br />
::*5 links in 5 Image pages <br />
::* 42 links in 42 Article talk pages <br />
::* 19 in 17 User talk pages <br />
::* 42 in 40 User pages <br />
::* 1 in a Wikipedia talk page <br />
::* 49 in 45 Wikipedia pages <br />
::** 9 links in old articles for creation requests <br />
::** 32 links in AfD or VfD pages and logs <br />
::** 8 links in other Wikipedia<br />
::* 52 in 43 Article pages <br />
::--[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've put the list on a user subpage: [[en:User:A. B./Sandbox9]] to give people a sense of the kinds of linked articles and the quality of the links. It can also serve as a clean-up list. --[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] [[User talk:A. B.|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::There's also a discussion about this at [[en:Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources#Myspace|WP:Reliable Sources]] I've like to see this removed from the blacklist. If the authenticity of the MySpace owner is verified, I don't see why this can't be used as citations - [[User:60.240.174.126|60.240.174.126]] 10:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::I guess this is a final decision then as not only has it been blacklisted the link has just been deleted from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_Static Eat Static] breaking the reference it was part of which was to a blog on an official MySpace by a recognised authority (band member) - which is normally allowed by policy. I only found out it was blacklisted when I tried to restore it.[[User:82.41.98.219|82.41.98.219]] 02:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Just look at some of the MySpace blog citations [[en:User:Wizardry Dragon|Wizardry Dragon]] has been indiscriminately removing from articles even though their authenticity has been verified. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Southland_Tales&diff=prev&oldid=100999760], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hostel:_Part_II&diff=prev&oldid=100778095], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Towers_of_London&diff=prev&oldid=101003943], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lifehouse_%28band%29&diff=prev&oldid=101004093], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=White_%26_Nerdy&diff=prev&oldid=101912831], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ben_Folds&diff=prev&oldid=100752019], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rivers_Cuomo&diff=prev&oldid=100780542] and there's a lot more if you look at his contributions. - [[User:60.240.174.126|60.240.174.126]] 02:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:I've reverted an edit to the [[en:Lance Bass|Lance Bass]] article that included a link to a MySpace blog as a citation, but I had to remove the link and just include the URL as text. I suppose until this site is removed from the blacklist, this is what we will have to do in order to properly cite our sources. --[[en:User:Psiphiorg|Psiphiorg (en.wikipedia.org)]] 19:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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I cannot understand why official sources are being blacklisted, this must be the single stupidest thing that I have ever seen Wikipedia do. Very confused and disappointed. --[[User:210.10.183.24|210.10.183.24]] 04:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===prv.pl===<br />
Hello there. I recently wanted to update [[:en:User:Halibutt|my user page]] and... tahdah! the entire domain of prv.pl seems to be blacklisted (and so is my former personal site of http://halibutt dot prv dot pl. The problem is that the www.prv.pl is simply a free-of-charge domain provider, perhaps the most popular in Poland ([http://www.google.pl/search?q=prv.pl&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:pl:official&client=firefox-a 2 million hits in Google). Hence the prv.pl suffix is used by, I guess, some 1 in every 4 home pages in Polish. I know some of them might include some malicious codes or something nasty, but blacklisting the entire domain is equal to blacklisting pretty much of the entire Polish internet. Regards, [[:en:User:Halibutt|Halibutt]]<br />
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P.S. It's not a major problem for me since I moved to [http://halibutt.pl halibutt.pl], but I guess it might be a problem for many more people, especially when it comes to citing sources from such sites.<br />
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:{{done}}. Block restricted to bxava.prv.pl only. Checking on the Polish Wikipedia showed that the site was linked on a good many articles for apparently valid reasons.<br />
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=== xoomer.alice.it ===<br />
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I came across this using a bot on the Italian wikipedia, and noticing that several pages where failing because of "spam error". This site is a web space provider for small user pages and such. If I understand the comments correctly, it was blocked for a single episode of spam three months ago not on wikipedia, but on another wiki. Since it's a webspace provider, it actually has many sites on it, also useful ones like the one linked from [[:it:Fisica delle particelle]] and others. Is it possible to remove it? [[:it:User:Alfio]] 15:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{done}}. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 08:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== awardspace.com ===<br />
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A whole hosting provider is blacklisted and it has some useful websites hosted on it (for example, adventurelt.awardspace.com, which is a Lithuanian website on adventure games with a database of such games and could not be linked to from Lithuanian wikipedia as of now due to this restriction; the issue was already raised in the Lithuanian wikipedia, [http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompiuterinis%20žaidimas 1]). If there are spam websites hosted on awardspace, they should be blacklisted separately instead of blacklisting whole awardspace. [[User:Lietwiki|Lietwiki]] 17:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== fremderfreiheitsschacht.de ===<br />
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It's a association for people of handicrafts. Nothing else. Why is it on the blacklist? [[User:85.2.29.76|85.2.29.76]] 07:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:It was being repeatedly added to multiple pages on the German Wikipedia. See the contributions of [[:de:Benutzer:85.176.182.162]], [[:de:Benutzer:85.176.154.161]] and [[:de:Benutzer:85.176.155.214]]. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===blog.mypace.com/eliroth===<br />
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I've been using this link on the page for Hostel Part 2 since June 2006 without incident. I understand that myspace or myspace blog links may be irrelevant in a lot of cases but I think in this case, the director's blog on his official myspace is a reliable source.<br />
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[[User:66.32.119.27|66.32.119.27]] 20:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC) Seelie at wikipedia<br />
* I'll get back to you on your Talk. That could, if it were appropriate, be sorted via the local whitelist. [[en:User Talk:JzG|Just zis Guy, you know?]] 18:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===www.ohs.150m.com===<br />
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This is the legitimate home page of a legitimate high school. I don't know why it's blocked, maybe an issue with the hosting service, but I haven't been able to complete my edits to the school's wiki article because it contains a link to the school's website, which is a most necessary external link. [[User:Oknazevad|Oknazevad]] 20:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC) (sorry, didn't realize I wasn't logged in the first time.)<br />
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===livevideo.com===<br />
I was working on a english wikipedia article on livevideo.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livevideo.com and I couldn't link to the website because "livevideo" is blacklisted. Please look at the wikipedia article and go to the website. -[[User:74.137.227.184|74.137.227.184]] 05:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== \.gameend\.net ===<br />
Hello<br />
A little correction, it's ''\.gamend\.net'' with only one e.<br />
Thanks !<br />
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[[:fr:Utilisateur:Chico75]]<br />
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===www.w9rh.org===<br />
Please unblock www . w9rh . org . I have an article that links to referenced material using citeweb. It worked earlier today, subsequent edits not even concerning this URL now return blocked. I don't know why it was blocked but the site is legit [[User:209.225.111.86|209.225.111.86]] 23:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anonym1ty User:Anonym1ty]<br />
:Should work now. --[[User:.anaconda|.anaconda]] 10:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==listen.to==<br />
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Why is it listed? it is a site that has a big music archive --[[User:24.232.234.212|24.232.234.212]] 01:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Troubleshooting and problems ==<br />
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===artnet.de===<br />
please unblock (first of all all magazine-articles): artnet sometimes has excess value, e.g. artnet.de/magazine/features/brauneis/brauneis06-30-06.asp -> great article & songs from the artist. there is no reason to block such an interesting page..!?!! 138.246.7.114 20:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Partially done. I have restricted the block to only artnet.de/artist - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 11:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::<strike>Why? Because there is sometimes between all the ads maybe an information? That doesn't make sense.</strike> --[[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] 07:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::Because it blocks the pages that were spammed before, and not the one that is mentioned here. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::I obey whatever the META Admins decide! I checked that link and it seems to make sense! 8-))) --[[User:Hedwig in Washington|Hedwig in Washington]] 02:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Sledtv.org===<br />
Was curious as to what happened to the sledtv.org site, then i saw that it had been blacklisted, did a little poking around and never saw any removals but one and no infractions, warings etc, why was this blacklisted? I believe it should not be, and should be reversed<br />
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:It was blocked as being one of a series of URLs, added by the same spammer from different IPs. Examples given were [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snowmobile&diff=79286243&oldid=79180764] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snowmobile&diff=98432733&oldid=98384896]. - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 08:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===[[Rake Yohn]]===<br />
I was trying to revert a lot of vandalism on the Rake Yohn wikipedia page and I keep getting the spam blacklist thing. What's going on? --[[User:164.82.144.3|164.82.144.3]] 18:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===<nowiki>http://ibtimes.com</nowiki>===<br />
Chronic spamming by [[en:User:Dck7777]], [[en:User:Wog7777]], and a bit by [[en:User:70.18.40.105]]. Total 118 contributions, all linkspam, all took forever and a day to cleanup: after reviewing, every link that proceded pattern <nowiki>http://ibtimes...</nowiki> was linkspam, and has been removed: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=ibtimes.com]. However, link with pattern <nowiki>http://www.ibtimes</nowiki> has quite a few valid links: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Linksearch&limit=250&offset=0&target=%2A.ibtimes.com]. I'm thinking it likely has something to do with how the link is placed to viewers on the outside vs. how they see them internally. Perhaps you could simply block <nowiki>http://ibtimes</nowiki>: it might be enough to slow the spammer down. -[[User:Patstuart|Patstuart]] 16:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:{{done}} - [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 19:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
::It appears to not be working. I ran a test page, and didn't get any problems: what's more, there were two more spammers added to the list of socks. All come from New York City. [[User:Patstuart|Patstuart]] 19:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Other discussions ==<br />
* '''[[Spam blacklist policy discussion]]'''<br />
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=== QUESTION ===<br />
I just did an edit to a page -- and was informed that it could not be posted because there was supposedly a blacklisted link. I had not added ANY links in my minor edit, and the link specified did not show up anywhere on the page when I searched for it. What's the problem ?? [[User:Davilance|Davilance]] 18:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:This means that this article ''already'' contains a blacklisted link. To be able to save this page, you'll have to remove that link. Actually, MediaWiki tell you which link triggered the spam filter along with error message: ''The following text is what triggered our spam filter: blah blah blah''. [[User:MaxSem|Max<font size="+1">''S''</font>em]] 19:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== Another question ===<br />
Should there be duplications on the list? --[[User:HappyCamper|HappyCamper]] 22:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:No... whats the duplication? [[User:J.smith|J.smith]] 23:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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=== Prevention of trouble by a banned user ===<br />
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On eN WikipediA, we have a very notorious troublemaker by the name of [[w:WP:LB|Lightbringer]]. One of his MOs is to add utterly unreliable and defective "sources" and external links to the articels he attacks. While this isn't "spamming by multiple sources", would some of the more egregious ones be allowed to be blacklisted? As above, there's no reason to link to these servers from any articel as they're all fringe conspiracy theories. [[User:68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] 14:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Hard to say. Why not submit them and we can review them one at a time? [[User:J.smith|J.smith]] 17:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Problem===<br />
I'm having a problem reverting a vandalism due to this filter (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Straight_Outta_Lynwood&action=edit&undo=101237364]). --[[User:141.158.218.244|141.158.218.244]] 03:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
==List_of_nicknames_of_European_Royalty_and_Nobility==<br />
I tried to add a link to the 'List of Treaty Titles for Monarchs' page on this page, but the update failed due to a link I didn't include (to an elzibethtudor site) how should I address the 'blacklisting after linking' that apparently happened, and how do I get my link added? I'm user Bo on wikipedia.</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Finnish_Wikiquote&diff=515112Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Finnish Wikiquote2007-01-19T18:21:14Z<p>Wwwwolf: opposition</p>
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<div>==Proposal for closing [[:wikiquote:fi:Etusivu|Finnish Wikiquote]]==<br />
We just don't have enough decent editors for watching this project. The project is vandalized heavily and used mainly for spreading political propaganda. --[[User:ML|ML]] 13:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
:If you have been following the article and the conversation about it you know that the only vandal is Frank. He was aso banned for this: http://fi.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Toiminnot:Log&type=block&page=K%C3%A4ytt%C3%A4j%C3%A4:Frank Maybe you are also motivated for political reasons here? --[[User:Jaakko Sivonen|Jaakko Sivonen]] 13:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Bullshit. There's only one (1) article which is now locked due to propaganda and vandalism. Nobody even noticed Wikiquote about this proposal. --[[User:83.102.20.151|83.102.20.151]] 13:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
::The number of locked articles is totally irrelevant here. Point is that project is so weakly supervised you can write virtually anything to it. This is seen many times. While there are couple of quite active admins, they are mostly very young of age and can deal only with the most obvious vandalism. --[[User:ML|ML]] 14:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::Not true, linnea and Alfred Dengan have been reverting vandalism very well. Here is one vandal banned by Dengan: http://fi.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Toiminnot:Log&type=block&page=K%C3%A4ytt%C3%A4j%C3%A4:Frank --[[User:Jaakko Sivonen|Jaakko Sivonen]] 13:51, 2 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
There are currently 200 pages in fi.Wikiquote, and I think that quality of those pages are mostly good. Sure it is looking for more active users/writers and moderators, but I think those problems will be fixed with time. So I would say "No" to this proposal. --[[User:JTS|JTS]] 14:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
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I agree with ML [http://fi.wikiquote.org/wiki/Heikki_Tala], [http://fi.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Anneli_J%C3%A4%C3%A4tteenm%C3%A4ki&oldid=10063], [http://fi.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tony_Halme], [http://fi.wikiquote.org/wiki/Paavo_Lipponen]. [[User:81.197.60.127|81.197.60.127]] 20:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
:The first is fine, now that it has been protected from the banned vandal Frank. Nothing wrong with the others. Do you close a whole project because of one Frank? If you do, Frank thinks it's mission accomplished for him. --[[User:Jaakko Sivonen|Jaakko Sivonen]] 13:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC) <br />
I personally have found fi.wikiquote very useful, and I think there's lots of other people too who think that wikiquote has been very useful. --Shovi (fi.wikipedia)<br />
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Finnish Wikiquote has been taken over by anti-Swedish forces. Their leader [[http://fi.wikiquote.org/wiki/Heikki_Tala Heikki Tala]] wants to show "central thoughts", instead of the hate quotes he often uses. F.ex. "There is a reason to hate Sweden and the Swedish". --[[User:Frank Armoton|Frank Armoton]] 05:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
:The thing here is that you, Frank in Finnish Wikipedia and Wikiquote, have been vandalising Heikki Tala quotes with POV, lies and advertisement: superviser Alfred Dengan agrees with this: you have been given a ban for example. Now that the page is protected, Frank is trying to destroy the whole project! That shows how far he is prepared to go: for him it's either a Svecomanic propaganda Wikiquote or no Wikiquote at all! Be reasoneble people and if you speak Finnish go see what this is about. --[[User:Jaakko Sivonen|Jaakko Sivonen]] 13:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Banned vandal Frank is lying: the quote he is talking about '''is''' in: http://fi.wikiquote.org/wiki/Heikki_Tala Frank is a vandal who is pushing his POV anti-Finnish agenda. He'd rather destroy Wikiquote than let it be neutral. --[[User:Jaakko Sivonen|Jaakko Sivonen]] 14:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
::There is following quote on that page, in (bad) English: "There is a reason to hate Sweden and the Swedes, because of their rasistic attitude against their own Finnish speaking people and Finnish language and because of they are installing their own political comissar in the Finnish Educational Government to conrol the obligatory Swedish (actually used: "making to Swedes") of Finnish children." (Note: there lives approx. half a million finnish speaking people in sweden) This was the quote Frank Armoton told you is not there --[[User:Mezqui|Mez]] 15:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
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About the Tala article Frank Armoton fights for in his comment: Mr. Frank Armoton is the svecomanic pain of the quotes. He makes everything to put his political opinions to rule. He uses not original sources, but for instance links to political Internet adresses. And now he blames others here. Possibly he hopes no one will notice. It has been proved that he is wrong but that doesn't make him to give up his demands. He was also banned for some days because of these reasons. I wish wikiquotes in Finnish can continue. --Mezqui in Wiki FI / Confirming this was mine --[[User:Mezqui|Mez]] 15:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Yes here is the ban that was given to him by superviser Alfred Dengan: ''"Artikkelin jatkuva palauttelu ilman kunnon perustelua"'' http://fi.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Toiminnot:Log&type=block&page=K%C3%A4ytt%C3%A4j%C3%A4:Frank (in English: "constant reverting of the article without a proper explanation") So, Frank is a vandal according to the superviser also. --[[User:Jaakko Sivonen|Jaakko Sivonen]] 13:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===Support closing Finnish Wikiquote (3)===<br />
#close it now! --[[User:Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti?|Fratele lui Bonaparte, il cunosti?]] 16:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
# Problems with vandals, POV-pushers, copyright, you name it. --[[User:Jannex|Jannex]] 19:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
#I agree and support the proposal to close the Finnish Wikiquote down for the following reason: it is mainly used by extreme nationalists like “Jaakko Sivonen” to spread his political propaganda. His attitudes in society include ideas of extreme nationalism. "'''Finn'''" 9 December 2006 (UTC) <br />
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===Oppose closing Finnish Wikiquote (21)===<br />
#'''No''' to the proposal. The vandalism of Frank is now prevented in Heikki Tala quotes, so there is no reason to do something like that. '''Closing Wikiquote would benefit only the vandals'''. --[[User:Jaakko Sivonen|Jaakko Sivonen]] 15:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
#I strongly oppose ML's proposal. I'm willing to become a moderator to help the project. Though I think right now the Finnish law seems to be a bigger hurdle than a couple of vandals. --[[User:Lumijaguaari|Lumijaguaari]] (Neofelis Nebulosa on [[:fi:Käyttäjä:Neofelis Nebulosa|fi-wiki]] and fi-wikiquote) 00:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' for closing. I agree with Jaakko Sivonen. --[[User:JTS|JTS]] 18:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
#There's '''no''' reason to close this growing project. --[[User:Alfred Dengan|Alfred Dengan]] 06:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' closing. Closing should only make the vandalism to a winner, as Jaakko Sivonen says. --[[User:Mezqui|Mez]] 10:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Defenite oppose'''. Vandalism is no reason to close it. Is it being said that if I gathered up a band of vandals and we went crazy on a slowly-growing Wikiquote, we could be victorious and get it shut down? --[[User:Gray Porpoise|Gray Porpoise]] 19:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
# No, if there'll be neutral moderators in the future. Heikki Tala's central thoughts are now locked, and not what he really has said. In oppose, in the quote collection on Finnish former prime minister, Anneli Jäätteenmäki, her central thoughts are not allowed. I am not a vandal. I am not allowed now to tell the quotes in their original form. --[[User:Frank Armoton|Frank Armoton]] 12:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)<br>:Original form? The original form of the quotes is on the page now, your "original" is based on the partial Internet address, you have not been able to show any original source at all. I did and I also delivered the source to the first published version long time ago, but you are still saying that the proved original form is not the original form, but yours unoriginal quotes are original. If you can read, you can also read on your source Internet address that the quotes there are not in original form, but in edited form. But nothing makes you to admit that. You say that "central thoughts" of A.Jäätteenmäki are not allowed. What you did add as her "central thoughts" was not quotes and you got a warning from the supervisor. Now you are telling here just an other story, an untrue story.--[[User:Mezqui|Mez]] 20:34, 5 September 2006 (UTC)<br>::The quote page of Heikki Tala is taken over by his political supportes, including the only active moderator. Tala has admitted he hates Sweden, Finland-Swedish and all things compared to them. Now it is about his "central thoughts", it isn't what he has said. I will take this issue to Swedish Wikipedia, if this article is not corrected with the quotes what he really said. --[[User:Frank Armoton|Frank Armoton]] 13:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''', Finnish Wikiquote is an active community. I oppose the proposal! --[[User:Totuus|Totuus]] 14:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''' Why should it close it is crowing project.--[[User:Tigru|Tigru]] 06:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Strong oppose'''. It is growing all the time and the proposal of ML is not true. The project has not policital propaganda and when it is vandalised, it is rollbacked quite shortly. -- [[User:80.223.109.231|80.223.109.231]] 17:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Oppose closing'''. The site looks perfectly respectable. It contains quotes, as it should; apparently vandalism is under control. There is a significant amount of recent activity on the site. The edit summaries are generally in Finnish, apparently (not English, anyway), which is a sign of significant activity by speakers of the language. --[[User:Coppertwig|Coppertwig]] 02:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
#'''Oppose''' of course. This is an active project. The stated reason ''...and used mainly for spreading political propaganda.'' is just pure nonsense with no basis in reality. Routine vandalism is no reason to close down anything. [[User:Jni|jni]] 07:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
# '''Oppose'''. The project works quite well. – [[User:Nysalor|Nysalor]] 14:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
# '''I OPPOSE''' the idea to close down FI-wikiquote.[[User:88.114.213.85|88.114.213.85]] 18:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
#'''No''', I like finnish wikiquotes very much. --[[User:Fuzzybyte|Fuzzybyte]] 20:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
#{{Oppose}} since it's an active project and the nom seems to be in bad-faith. [[User:J.smith|J.smith]] 00:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
# No--[[User:193.229.220.212|193.229.220.212]] 18:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
# No, closing would make the vandalism to a winner. Wiolet --[[User:85.194.197.161|85.194.197.161]] 18:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
#Comment: I don't see a link from the Main Page of that project to this vote. [[:wikiquote:simple:Main Page|Simple English Wikiquote]] has a link from every page to the vote to close it down. This vote taking place in English on a hard-to-find page on Meta may be unknown to many users of the project. Could someone put in links to this vote? --[[User:Coppertwig|Coppertwig]] 02:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
#:I have added a big Finnish language notice to local MediaWiki:Sitenotice. That should attract people. When can we close this vote? This has been around for a nearly half a year with very few support votes (none are from active users of Finnish Wikiquote). Why should some random passers by even be allowed to vote on closing our community? [[User:Jni|jni]] 09:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
#::I see no real reason to close this Wikiquote. (om)<br />
#. Never! I am really glad to have wikiquotes available in my native language. Do not give in to the vandals.<br />
#'''Oppose'''. The pages are generally good for the most part, but the real problem is vandalism and the lack of editors at the project. That really isn't grounds for closing the project. By keeping it open, we might have a few good editors who will join the site and make valued contributions. [[User:Nishkid64|Nishkid64]] 16:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)<br />
# Policing problems? Hire more coppers. Finnish user community on other wikis seems to be healthy enough, it'd be a wonder if they couldn't get WQ fixed. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 18:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wwwwolf&diff=515107User:Wwwwolf2007-01-19T18:13:19Z<p>Wwwwolf: </p>
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'''Väärä versio''' on versio, johon artikkeli [[:fi:Wikipedia:Suojatut sivut|suojataan]] [[:fi:Wikipedia:Muokkaussota|muokkaussodan]] seurauksena. Tiedossa ei ole yhtään tapausta, jossa olisi onnistuttu suojaamaan oikea versio.<br />
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Jos muokkaamasi sivu on suojattu ''väärään versioon'', muista, että tärkeintä on huomauttaa suojauksen tehnyttä ylläpitäjää siitä, että kyseessä on ''väärä versio''. Sinun kannattaa muistuttaa ylläpitäjää niistä vakavista seurauksista, jotka suojaaminen ''väärään versioon'' aiheuttaa, ja vaatia, että sivu suojataan välittömästi ''oikeaan versioon''. Jos ylläpitäjä kieltäytyy, on suositeltavaa vaatia ylläpitäjän ylläpito-oikeuksien poistoa. Vähintään kannattaa valittaa asiasta [[:fi:Keskustelu Wikipediasta:Suojatut sivut|suojattujen sivujen keskustelusivulle]], artikkelin [[:fi:Wikipedia:Keskustelusivu|keskustelusivulle]], ja ylläpitäjän keskustelusivulle. Voit myös yrittää sähköpostin lähettämistä kyseiselle ylläpitäjälle ja muille satunnaisesti valituille ylläpitäjille. Myös [[:fi:Jimmy Wales|Jimbo]] on kiinnostunut ongelmasta, joten jätä viesti hänen keskustelusivulleen ja vaadi ongelman korjaamista. Äläkä unohda postituslistoja tai [[:fi:Wikipedia:IRC|IRCiä]], levittämällä valitustasi mahdollisimman laajalle alueelle annat hyvän vaikutelman itsestäsi. Lakiuhkaukset ovat joskus tarpeen &mdash; keskusrikospoliisi ja Euroopan ihmisoikeustuomioistuin saattavat olla kiinnostuneita tapauksesta.<br />
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Säästät aikaa käyttämällä seuraavia mallivalituksia. Kaikki ovat todellisia esimerkkejä englannin- tai suomenkielisestä Wikipediasta.<br />
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*Ei näköjään riitä, että käyttäydyt aivan sopimattoman epäneutraalisti [artikkeli]n kohdalla, päätit myös suojata version joka on selkeästi [[fi:Ohje:Tyyliopas/Artikkelin nimi|artikkelien nimeämiskäytönnön]] vastainen.<br />
*[Käyttäjä] on vandaali. Ole hyvä ja palauta artikkeli [toisen käyttäjän] viimeiseen muokkaukseen.<br />
*Jäädyttämällä [artikkelin] muotoon jota [käyttäjä] yrittää runnoa läpi, otat käytännössä hänen puolensa kiistassa. Vaadin että palautat artikkelin tilaan jossa se oli ennen kuin [käyttäjä] alkoi sekoilla sen kanssa, ja suojaat artikkelin.<br />
* Olisi kuitenkin varmaan ollut sopivampaa jos olisit suojannut artikkelista sen version, mikä kirjoitettiin ennen kuin [käyttäjä] [teki kaikenlaisia hirveitä juttuja, joista tässä pitkä lista]. Pitkälti [käyttäjä]n näkökulman mukainen versio on nyt virallinen Wikipedian versio ja sitä ei kukaan voi muuttaa.<br />
* Pyydän että luet kummatkin versiot ja poistat suojauksen, koska muuten käytännössä palkitset [käyttäjä]n ja hänen ystäviensä aggressiiviset muokkaukset.<br />
*Tiedämme molemmat että ei ole yhteensattumaa että suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon.<br />
*Suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon selvästi koska olette molemmat [ natseja | kommunisteja | vapaamuurareita | oikeustoradikaaleja | liberaalisekoja | radikaalifeministeja | sionistejä | skientologeja | anti-amerikkalaisia | amerikkalaisia | ruotsinkielisen mafian palkkalistoilla ] – kiellä vaan.<br />
* Miksi suojasit [artikkeli]n jonka [käyttäjä] vandalisoi? Tämä on selkeää vandalismia, eikä missään nimessä mikään muokkaussota.<br />
* Olit samaa mieltä tämän käyttäjän kanssa [toisessa artikkeli]ssa. Annat siis mielipiteitesi näkyä. Sivun suojaus on siis selkeästi Wikipedian sääntöjen vastainen.<br />
* Tämä sivu on suojauttu, että huono journalismi, puolueellisuus ja propaganda voidaan säilyttää. Tuskin mikään keskustelu tästä räpellyksestä auttaa, koska ylläpitäjät ovat selkeästi auttamattoman puolueellisia. He laittavat artikkelin eristyksiin, koska eivät voi myöntää heidän mielipiteidensä olevan heikolla pohjalla. Voimme riidellä tästä hamaan tulevaisuuteen, mutta ei ole epäilystäkään että jos ette voi myöntää että tällä lähteellä on arvoa, hyvää lopputulosta ei voi syntyä.<br />
* Syytän sinua puolueellisuudesta ja VÄÄRÄN SIVUN tahallisesta suojaamisesta.<br />
* Se, että tämä sivu on suojattu nykyiseen epätietosanakirjamaiseen, puolueelliseen tilaansa, on hyvä esimerkki tämän sivuston käyttäjäkunnan [ mustien | valkoisten | harmaiden, joilla on purppuralaikkuja ] vastaisesta mielialasta näitä kysymyksiä koskevissa artikkeleissa. En ole rohjennut käyttää tätä termiä aikaisemmin täällä, mutta nyt käytän. Wikipedia on pohjiaan myöten rasistinen. Tämä on selkeä esimerkki miten systemaattinen puolueellisuus toimii. Kun vastustajat eivät voi kumota väitteitä järkisyillä, heidän pitää leimata, luokitella väärin ja loata nämä näkökannat. Tämänlainen paskapuhe on selkeästi tyypillistä tälle sivustolle.<br />
*On mahdotonta saavuttaa konsensus oikeasta versiosta kun artikkeli on suojattu väärään versioon. Koko Wikipedian uskottavuus on vaakalaudalla, jos sanomalehdet kuulevat, että Wikipedia on julkaissut väärän version. Artikkeli pitää siksi välittömästi korjata.<br />
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* '''Konsensusversio''': Se versio, mikä ei tällä hetkellä ole suojattuna.<br />
* '''Viitteetön epäneutraali lisäys''': Kaikki muutokset, mitä on tehty sivuun, jonka suojaus poistettiin vastikään, tai joka tullaan pian suojaamaan<br />
* '''Natsi''': 1. Kuka hyvänsä joka suojaa tai muokkaa sivua, joka koskee uskontoa tai Euroopan maantiedettä. 2. Wikipedian käyttäjä, jolla on ylläpito-oikeudet.<br />
* '''NPOV-muokkaus''': Mikä hyvänsä muokkaus, jota itse teet sivuun. Erittäin käyttökelpoinen esimerkiksi muokkausyhteenvedoissa.<br />
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== Lisäohjeita Jimbolta ==<br />
(Käännös englanninkielisestä viestistä [[The Wrong Version]]-artikkelissa)<br />
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Haluaisin antaa hieman lisävihjeitä ihmisille, jotka kääntyvät suoraan minun (Jimbo) puoleeni.<br />
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Ensinnäkin, on erittäin tärkeää että kirjoitat vähintään kuusi sivua tekstiä, jossa selität ja puolustat sitä versiota, joka on mielestäsi oikea. Mitä yksityiskohtaisempi selitys, sen parempi. Olen erittäin kiinnostunut kaikkien vähemmän tunnettujen <del>Saksan</del> <del>Puolan</del> Preussin jokien nimistä. Kerro myös Bigfootin pään muodoista. Minä olen selkeästi paras ihminen päättämään, mikä on totta.<br />
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Toiseksi, kaikki tietävät että minulle on rutiinia pakottaa artikkeli näyttämään täsmälleen sellaiselta mitä haluat. Blokkaan pitkäaikaisia käyttäjiä ja ylläpitäjiä jos sille päälle satun, ihan vain jos joku sinun kaltaisesi pyytää sitä. Muista vain pyytää rohkeasti.<br />
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Kolmanneksi, parempi kun et vain pyydä, pikemminkin vaadi. Uhkaa poislähdöllä jos asiat eivät korjaannu 24 tunnissa. Tämä toimii aina.<br />
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Neljänneksi, jos tiedät että henkilökohtaiset poliittiset sympatiani ovat samat kuin sinulla, saat aivan vapaasti haukkua vastustajiasi. Esimerkiksi, koska olen yleisellä tasolla Israelin puolella, voit aivan vapaasti haukkua Israeliin kriittisesti suhtautuvia ihmisiä "Natseiksi". Innostun varmaan niin, että blokkaan heidät. Hitto, saatanpa kirjoittaa uutta MediaWiki-koodia, joka mahdollistaa sen, että vain sinä ja haluamasi henkilöt voivat muokata sivuja!<br />
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Ja lopuksi, jos jostain käsittämättömästä syystä en toimi kuten viisas ehdotuksesi edellyttää, muista kertoa kaikille että Wikipedia on huijausta ja vain jokin halpa keino kerätä rahaa. Se on kapitalistisen riiston väline. Se on liberaalien leikkikenttä jossa ei ole standardeja. Se pohjautuu kommunismin periaatteisiin. Se on kollektivistinen. Se on individualistinen. Se on tarpeeton. Se olisi tärkein asia maailmassa, jos vain minä en ryssisi koko hommaa. Siinäpähän vanha Jimbon jäärä saa sitten kuulla kunniansa paremmiltaan!<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* On wikipedia-l:<br />
** http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28374/focus=28374<br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28413/focus=28413</small> <ref>Some replies aren't displayed in the main thread. URLs in small fonts links to these messages.</ref><br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28404/focus=28404</small><br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28385/focus=28385</small><br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28533/focus=28533</small><br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28547/focus=28547</small><br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28569/focus=28569</small><br />
* On commons-l<br />
** http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.commons/726/focus=726<br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.commons/761/focus=761</small><br />
* On wikisource-l<br />
** http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikisource/46/focus=46 <br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikisource/44/focus=44</small><br />
* On foundation-l<br />
** http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/11237/focus=11237<br />
* On Russian Wikipedia<br />
** [[w:ru:Википедия:Источники информации/Что мы хотим видеть в открытом доступе]]<br />
* On Slashdot<br />
** [http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/22/215238 The Thread is here], there are some nice ideas too !<br />
* On Metafilter<br />
** [http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/55738 "Dream Big."]<br />
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===[[User:Noclip|Noclip]]: Technology standards===<br />
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Buy out things like MPEG-4 and PDF, turn them into open standards.<br />
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===[[User:jwblase]]: Hardware version of the Wikipedia...===<br />
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Developing a wireless hardware version of the Wikipedia (ala HitchHiker's Guide) would let people access the Wiki without having to have access to a laptop computer. I would love to be able to pull a paperback-sized piece out of my briefcase to check/edit the wiki. No, I'm not talking about a WinCE machine or Palm machine... but something dedicated to the Wiki.<br />
::Why not just write new OS for existing systems. Also modifying them in away that would make them dedicated. Good possible platforms could include 80x68 tablets, Nokia 770, SmartPhones.<br />
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===[[User:brewster]]: digitize the Library of Congress Public domain works ===<br />
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It would cost about that much, and it would keep it open for all. There are those that would like to put the digital forms of LC's PD works under perpetual restrictions.<br />
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===[[User:Rojabuck]]: Complete set of DaVinci's notes, scanned of course ===<br />
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This would provide a detailed insight into the work of one of the worlds finest minds and make accessable some of the most beautiful and accurate diagrams ever drawn.<br />
:These works are in Public Domain. DaVinci died in 1519. [[User:555|555]] 05:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[User:FCsaszar|FCsaszar]]: Buy Web of Science, JSTOR, and a create a system to annotate them===<br />
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[[:en:JSTOR]] has back issues of several hundred well known journals, dating back to 1665. The bulk of scientific knowledge is in there. [[:en:Web of Science]] is an index of basically every scientific paper that has ever been published. I belive the puting these resources in the public domain would accelerate the creation of scientific knowledge. Imagine the millions of intelligent people that today can't access these sources because they are expensive. Also, making scientific knowledge available for public scrutiny would make scientists more accountable for their work. Note that this is the big promise of the Internet: to create Vannevar Bush's Memex, a system to annotate and cross reference all knowledge. This would even be better: a collaborative Memex.<br />
::I agree that releasing the contents of scientific journals would be an excellent use of this money however Web of Science, JSTOR etc. are generally not the copyright owners. Some possible ways to spend the money:<br />
::*Pay the publishers to release content under the GFDL<br />
::*Tackle the problem of generally taxpayer funded research ending up inaccessible to all but those at rich institutions by putting some of the money aside to pay for current research to be published in open journals - spending some on the current/future research output rather than the past. <br />
::*Make a major gesture - buying and releasing the rights to a flagship journal (eg. Nature, Science) for a decade or so. As well as having a direct affect - this would increase awarenes of open publishing and help solve the problem into the future.<br />
::*Couple any spending on rights with lobbying Universities, Research Councils, Governments etc. explaining the problem.<br />
::As FCsaszar suggests, making the scientific literature free is about more than just access (Though access is a big and real problem); when the content itsself is free there are endless possibilities for improved annotation, cross referencing, quality assessment along with more open access to routes to "publication" / promotion (Improving peer review). There could be an knock on effect on all aspects of the way science is conducted the distribution of grant funding as if science publiction became merit based, funding and academic appointments would find it difficult not to follow. <br />
::[[User:Richard Taylor|Richard Taylor]] 01:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::I believe JSTOR doesn't own any relevant rights to the works in their collection; they just have licenses from a stack of publishers. The Web of Science is owned by [[:en:The Thompson Corporation]], which is not generally known for its friendliness to the public domain. I wonder if they'd sell for a reasonable price. But maybe Google Print/Google Books would sell enough data from scanned journals (especially the abstracts and citations) to create a public domain competitor. -- [[User:Pde|Pde]] 04:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::I think releasing those journals would be great too. [[User:Philosophistry|Philosophistry]] 06:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[User:FCsaszar|FCsaszar]]: Build the equivalent of MIT's OpenCourseWare for K-12===<br />
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Create a basic hierarchy of topics and courses, create basic templates for typical courses, and allow teachers (and students, and everyone) from all over the world to upload their content. I imagine people sharing their slides, videos, quizzes, experiments, teaching tips, etc... This could potentially benefit billions of children.<br />
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:I agree this would be useful, however the continual advancement of knowledge and our relative lack of understanding about how to create good online teaching programs means that this kind of purchase would have a short shelf life. Many comments are focusing on archives simply because they are set in stone, if you will, and thus once freed never need to be touched again.<br />
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===[[User:FrancisTyers]]===<br />
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# [http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1206/p12s2-stin.html Abamedia: Russian Archives Online]. &mdash; contains a hell of a lot of stuff that can't be reproduced &mdash; photographs, films, sounds etc. Much of the stuff would be in the public domain (e.g. newsreels from the 1920s.) <br />
# Stuff formerly licensed as <nowiki>{{PD-Soviet}}</nowiki>. Some of the stuff that has been deleted should be able to be bought for a reasonable price... if the original author can be found. (I have an off-Wikipedia archive of around 3,000 of the former PD-Soviet images). - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 16:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
#: I think [[:en:ITAR-TASS]] agency is major copyright holder of Soviet photos.<br />
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# Another thing, it might be worth spending some of the money to get professional legal opinions/judgements on the copyright and historical copyright status of countries and items that are questionable. For example, who owns the rights to works published in X by Y at Z time. (I'm still thinking about PD-Soviet stuff here -- or stuff published during the Spanish Civil War. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 12:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===Frederick "FN" Noronha===<br />
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# Government-funded software.<br />
# Archives.<br />
# All UN-related publications.<br />
# Photographs of archival value.<br />
# Textbooks.<br />
# Out-of-print books.<br />
# Documentary film and sharable footage.<br />
# Music created by non-corporate artistes.<br />
# Recordings of state-funded radio stations.<br />
# Newspapers' content (which are over 24 hours old, in case of dailies)<br />
# Local language computing solutions<br />
# Translations tools across languages.<br />
# Archives of content of all websites prior to 2005.<br />
# Government records and files over five years old.<br />
# Old musical recordings on wax cylinders and especially porcelain, depicting the development of modern music around the world. Like films, these would have to be remastered, at a considerable costs.<br />
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===[[User:WarX|WarX]] ===<br />
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# Schemes (from designers of them) of machines throught all ages (especially 16th-21st century):<br />
#* ships<br />
#* steam engines<br />
#* warmachines<br />
#* fuel and electric engines<br />
#* full factorys/power plants/etc.<br />
#* cars<br />
#* locomotives (train engines)<br />
#* planes<br />
#* space ships<br />
#* etc.<br />
#* Especially vector versions would be very nice (or scans precise enought to construct all of those machines and vectorise the plans itself) --[[User:WarX|WarX]] 17:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:great idea. support! --[[User:Jacopo86|Jacopo86]] 08:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Support from me as well. Add [[:w:microprocessor]] schematics to that list as well. [[User:Shd|Shd]] 23:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Though I have no idea where these things may be obtained however such information would be most interesting, especially machines from the industrial revolution. I note however that they are more a matter of locating the schemes as at this point, most are already public domain.[[User:Idyll M|Idyll M]] 00:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===Erik Zachte===<br />
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* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code2000 Code2000]<br />
:Why reward non-community efforts when their is a community effort which also has latin type support which would make the font acceptable as the default face for the majority of the internet using world? See [http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/ DejaVu]. --[[User:Gmaxwell|Gmaxwell]] 00:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[User:Danny|Danny]]===<br />
Three things from me:<br />
# Power scanners to help absorb materials, including scanners with page-turning capacity that do not destroy old books.<br />
# Invest in the restoration of old films, mainly on celluloid, which would then be entered into the public domain, rather than controlled by the people who first manufactured them. These films, which are disintegrating day after day, are part of our cultural heritage, and include works by Chaplin, Theda Bara, Buster Keaton, etc. (for Americans) as well as the great European masters (Vigo, Eisenstadt, Lumiere Brothers, etc., for the Europeans. Old newsreels are an important historical document of key events such as World War I, the Russian Revolution, etc.<br />
# Old musical recordings on wax cylinders and especially porcelain, depicting the development of modern music around the world. Like films, these would have to be remastered, at a considerable costs. [[User:Danny|Danny]] 16:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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* These are great - I especially like the idea of buying a fleet of power scanners. Instead of just buying a fish ("a single copyrighted item") we could have a fishing pole instead ("a public domain digitizing machine"). --[[User:Jeresig|Jeresig]] 05:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::But there would still be the problem that even that you could scan (catch the fish) you could not share the fish because it would violate copyrights.<br />
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=== [[User:Bogdan|Bogdan]] ===<br />
There are a few types of photos for which a free equivalent is very hard to find:<br />
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# photos of 20th century presidents and other incumbents of various countries.<br />
# plants and animals in isolated places. Anyone can take photos of the plants which grow in the backyard or the nearest forest, but the greatest diversity of species in our world is found in places like Amazonia and Indonesia. A collection of identified plants would be of great value.<br />
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But also, it would be great to try to obtain Public Domain works:<br />
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Wikimedia could try to collaborate with various governments for the digitalization and preservation of public domain works and archives. The governments of many countries have extensive archives of old photographs, engravings or even paintings, which would be of great encyclopedical values for our history and biography articles.<br />
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Also, Wikisource and Project Gutenberg could try to collaborate with various libraries, also for the scanning and OCRing old books and periodicals.<br />
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=== [[User:555|555]] ===<br />
Copyright property of translations of classical texts that don't have yet a public domain/free use version, copyright property of best selling books to allow development of paralel universes and fan-fictions to everyone, copyright property for a high quality dictionary (monolingual/bilingual) and copyright property of Scansoft OminiPage to release it under GPL and port do Unix/Linux OS may be a good start point =D [[User:555|555]] 17:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Lincher|Lincher]] / [[:en:User:Lincher|on english]] ===<br />
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* Earth imagery to create nice images to go with articles.<br />
* University theses, if not copy-lefted, at least, available to everyone.<br />
* Pictures of artefacts that come from museums, galleries (even hidden ones like the Louvre), libraries and more.<br />
[[User:Lincher|Lincher]] 03:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Nichtich|Jakob Voss]] ===<br />
* You can invest the money in <br />
** promoting the idea of free knowledge and open content in general. We don't even have a simple open-content-for-dummies handout - the community fails on creating enough qualitative promoting material about our own projects.<br />
** promoting to cut down the today-70-years-tomorrow-even-longer copyright regime - it only helps big company copyright holders while its of no use for authors and hinders preservation of works where the copyright holder is unknown. A timespan of 20 years after publication should be enough for a monopoly.<br />
*** I agree with the idea. But copyright is for creative works and to promote creativity. Patents are for monopolies and they do have 20 years lifespan. It is a sad issue that xxAA are abusing copyright to drive their businesses instead of funding schools of art/music/etc. If they really respect the intent of copyright law, they should be promoting creativity. Shouldn't they? What I would like instead is a law that '''automatically''' converts copyright to creditright (yay! i invented a term. can I copyright it? just kidding.) after a period of 20 years. well, the length of the period can be debated upon but you get the idea. (I also made minor typo edits under this sub-section) - [[User:Jhshukla|Jhshukla]]<br />
** Freeing knowledge organization. License the Dewey Decimal Classification and other classification and thesauri.<br />
** Free fonts that cover all of Unicode (already mentioned)<br />
** Drawn illustrations and instructions for Wikibooks that are usable by non-english-speaking-geeks too (how do make fire, how to produce electricity, how to clean your water, how to learn to read...)<br />
** Methods that let the people free themselves :-)<br />
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===[[User:Dschwen|Daniel Schwen]]===<br />
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'''Geodata'''. Data to generate free maps (or a Wikiatlas, or better maps for [[:en:User:Dschwen/WikiMiniAtlas|the WikiMiniAtlas extension]]), country borders (up to date and high res). Major rivers, cites and roads ''worldwide''. The US is a model country in this respect, but for the rest of the world mos governments sell the data acquired by geographical surveys funded with tax-money to companies like TeleAtlas.<br />
* I agree! Basemaps + 1 meter satelite imagery of the world. --Amos<br />
* Also agree; being in Australia is a pain when it comes to availability of map data... always seemed unfair this information cost a fortune when it was already collected with tax money in the first place. --[[User:JerryJvL|JerryJvL]] 02:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
* One more vote for this idea. This is is better than satellite imagery which tends to change every few years and doesn't have as much practical use.<br />
* Another vote. This would be invaluable in so many respects. --[[User:Jeresig|Jeresig]] 05:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[:it:User:Bramfab|Bramfab]]===<br />
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The collections of the most relevant newspapers of the world (at least one per each language of wikipedia)<br />
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=== [[User:Paginazero|Paginazero]] ===<br />
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I have no direct references to mention, but I'd invest such a budget in world history and collective memory. Newspapers can be fine, but also the public governative archives of the nations of the world and of sovranational organizations. Although I'm scared of the huge work it'd take to "wikify" all that stuff.<br />
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=== [[User:The Doc|The Doc]] ===<br />
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May be the most practical request. Two books: one of chemistry (p. Silvestroni Fondamenti di chimica ISBN 88-408-0998-8 in italian to be traslated) and one of medicine (Harrison's principles of internal medicine McGraw-Hill U.S. ISBN 0-07-13914-1) that I consider the most complete books. Put them on source and books will give to the world a great amount of knowledge and their contents will continue to grow becouse of wiki principles<br />
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=== [[User:Jacopo86|Jacopo86]] ===<br />
I suggest illustrated text books such as art history books general history books or technical books with a lot of technical drawings. Also photography of people will be good. I mean photo of politician, scientist, writer, singer, film director and so on. Also the books suggested by The Doc are very useful.<br />
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:Oppose photographs of living people. They are not impossible to take your own free versions. Dead people is another matter. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 11:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::I mean large collections of photographs (if existing). Something like a sticker album or an illustrated who's who. However i don't know if this collection is alvaible... --[[User:Jacopo86|Jacopo86]] 13:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::I think something like some of the collection of Rolling Stone, BBC, Time, Life, or some other source of cultural benchmark photos. I know this is highly unlikely, but it'd be cool to be able to use even only a portion of these photos. [[User:Youngamerican|Youngamerican]] 17:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Youngamerican]] ===<br />
Something like a chunk of the video archive of the BBC might be nice to have. Basically, the foundation could have something along the lines of a youtube-type site that legally shows much of the archives of the Beeb (I only picked them due to their longevity and international scope, but some other tv outlet, network, or production company would work too). Imagine how much could be at the tip of your fingers if something like this was available, especially as broadbadn goes global. Just a thought. [[User:Youngamerican|Youngamerican]] 17:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:ALoan]] ===<br />
* How much would it cost to buy EB, or a smaller encyclopedia? (Even smaller ones tend to have better and more comprehensive "encyclopedic" content of many core categories... I know, we are working on it... )<br />
* The right to reproduce images from leading museums, such as the Louvre, British Museum, National Portrait Gallery, etc (we often claim that they don't own the copyright for 2-dimensional works, under ''Corel v Bridgeman'', but access is often difficult). <br />
* Rather than buying copyrights, it would be nice to have a mechanism (à la Rambot) to get existing free content into Wikipedia (as far as I am aware, we don't have the complete text of the 11th edition of EB from 1911, for example, and there are other out-of-copyright sources that could just be dumped in; 1st edition of the DNB and its supplements will give us decent biographical coverage to 1901; 2nd edition of Grove would give decent musical coverage to 1910; any number of encyclopedias of classical history, etc). Perhaps tarticles could be copied to a subpage, for ease of merging with existing content? -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] 17:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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(Just so you know, Distributed Proofreaders has been working to get the 1911 EB into Project Gutenberg for a while now (under the name "The Project Gutenberg Encyclopedia" for trademark reasons). It's a monumental task for a volunteer organization, though. I think I'd personally prefer to see the 1911 presented whole and complete on PG, so all the context is preserved, rather than melded into Wikipedia, but that's just my $0.02. --sparrow_hawk (on Wikipedia))<br />
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===[[User:Badlydrawnjeff]] ===<br />
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* Copies of (or actual) primary source material. Ease of ability to use it from, say, Wikisource or Wikibooks would be incredibly useful.<br />
* Equipment to incorporate any and all posible public domain materials into the servers and projects. Encouragement of PD use would be very helpful.<br />
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===[[User:Allen3]]===<br />
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*Photographs of 20th century politicians, scientists, athletes, and other celebrities.<br />
*Digital images of museum works (''Corel v Bridgeman'' helps with 2-D paintings but quality images can still be hard to obtain)<br />
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===[[w:User:Jdavidb]]===<br />
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*Bible translations<br />
*The complete archives of [[w:Mister Rogers' Neighborhood]]<br />
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===[[:w:User:Stbalbach|Stbalbach]]===<br />
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#Create a non-profit that researches "orphaned" works for copyright status. A large percentage of works published post-1923 are eligible for public domain status but it requires time and work to track down the copyright holders.<br />
#Purchase any number of excellent encyclopedia's that are usually only available at libraries. The 13-volume authoritative ''[[:w:Dictionary of the Middle Ages|Dictionary of the Middle Ages]]'' for example (which its self was paid for in part by grants).<br />
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=== [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Monk_of_the_highest_order Monk of the highest order] ===<br />
#Books, baby. Science books. Let's digest other encyclopedias. The best would be Textbooks and Schoolbooks for wikibooks to share and improve on forever. Knowledge baby; pure, unadulterated knowledge is what I want. Knowledge knowledge knowledge. The more the better. It's better to spend $5000 freeing a giant textbook than freeing three scientific papers, despite how cool it would be to set free scientific papers. Books. Please, please, please, books.<br />
#Source material. Like newspapers. We should consider, however, policy as to whether this source material can further be edited, or whether it will only be edited in a fork. Because quoting a source which has been edited by anonymous wiki users is just about as useful as quoting original or unfounded research - it doesn't mean anything. So if we are going to get stuff for source or reference material, we should have an untouched version of it for reference, and if need be, a fork wikibook for improvement.<br />
#Dictionaries have been suggested. That's cool. Double the reach of wiktionary. And if you could get them for multiple languages, you could like, multiply the amount of Mongolian words by like 100 or something.<br />
#Things which have a smaller knowledge-to-probable-price ratio like images or video should come second. <br />
#Images of famous people for whom we don't yet have a picture of yet and whom we are unlikely to get a public domain photograph of in the near future would be nice.<br />
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=== [[User:CBDunkerson]] ===<br />
#Images of characters/objects/places from fiction - These are generally 'derivative works' by definition and thus '''all''' existing images are often 'fair use'. Purchasing the right to freely release certain images from the copyright holders would vastly benefit these articles.<br />
#Images of notable people - these tend to be taken by news organizations and thus to be 'fair use'. Buying such photos from the press or having a 'Wikinews photographer' with press credentials to cover them would be an improvement. Individuals can and do take such pictures, but this is haphazard and often at a distance, in poor lighting, or otherwise of lower quality than those at staged press events.<br />
#Other 'fair use' images - In addition to the two large categories above just a general purchase of fair use images which are difficult to obtain through other means would be beneficial.<br />
#Out of print 'encyclopedias' - There are hundreds of topic specific 'encyclopedias' and similar compilations which are out of print, unlikely to ever be reprinted, but still under copyright for decades to come. Purchasing these from the copyright holders might be viable as it is income they would not otherwise get and could provide us with vast amounts of detailed material on plants, animals, diseases, civil war personages, dance steps, archaeological dig sites, embroidery patterns, ad infinitum.<br />
#Newspaper archives - These could go in Wikisource or a new sub-project and become a vast library of reliable/verifiable reference materials. The Times isn't likely to sell their archives, but newspapers which are shutting down might be willing to.<br />
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=== [[User:Dijxtra]] ===<br />
OK, Jimbo, you said think big. So I'll think big:<br />
* As Lincher said above: earth imagery. [[en:NASA World Wind|World Wind]] is free, but not detailed enough. If we could get better resolution, it'd be great. Unfortunately (since I'm not geodata expert), I don't know the service which offeres better quality except Google Maps, and I guess buying Google Maps is not an option :-)<br />
* Maps. Atlases, charts, maps. Lots of those. Detailed atlases of every country in the world. Buy it and release it into PD. Everybody will love you for it, and I'll buy you a beer (I guess that buying a beer to a guy which has $100M to spare is a lame thing, but I'd do that anyway).<br />
* Encyclopedias. Preferably more specific (pardon my bad English, but by specific I think of those that are not general, fot instance "maritime encyclopedia", "encyclopedia of aviation" and such) ones and local ones (which tend to have more information on history and geography of a location, for instance [[en:General Encyclopedia of Yugoslavian Lexicographic Institute]]).<br />
* Dictionaries. English-somelanguage dictionaries. Get few of these and dump it to Wiktionary. That gives you rudimental but imense somelanguage-someotherlanguage dictionary. And then you can brag like this: look, we didn't invest all of it into Wikipedia, we invested some in other projects ;-) If this option is chosen, I buy you another beer for Persian dictionary ;-)<br />
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Those are just my first ideas, maybe I think of something later. Am I thinking too big? :-) --[[User:Dijxtra|Dijxtra]] 18:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Regarding satellite imagery, Google mainly repurposes satellite data from [[w:DigitalGlobe|DigitalGlobe]]. Since the images make up a large part of the company's business, I don't think they'd be willing to set any of it free. I suspect the same is true of similar companies.<br />
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:: That's why we need $100M, because nobody will set anything free for free. ;-) But, if you buy the copyrights, then you are free to set it free for free. Lots of "free"s here. --[[User:Dijxtra|Dijxtra]] 11:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Maybe Wikimedia could buy a satellite to produce photos in-house. <code>:^P</code> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 21:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:: The best imagery comes from cameras on planes, not satellites. [[User:72.43.17.50|72.43.17.50]] 23:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not an option here, we're supposed to figure out which material we want to be set free, not how to spend that money ;-) --[[User:Dijxtra|Dijxtra]] 11:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::But it makes the point that purchasing satellite imagery is silly. To attempt to buy out such a big market asset is just wasteful. To be honest, the copyrighted material currently is pretty adequate already; for example the free version of Google Earth. Google's terms are hardly restrictive and provide very powerful access to very lightly watermarked imagery. Wikimedia isn't about communism, and I think digital mapping, at least for now, is an industry which is well suited to its current capitalist model. [[User:Bigbluefish|Bigbluefish]] 11:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I don't see what communism has to do with it. Communism as we have seen it is ideologically continual class struggle to return the means of production of market goods to the poor and thus equality, and in practice it has essentially been an incompletely succesful violent revolution leading to a sloppy authoritarian doling out of rights, because of the lack of resources after said violent revolution. Wikipedia isn't about the market, or money, or obtaining means of production for the purpose of enforcing social and economic equality. Rather, this is all about using our freedoms. Everyone already has access to the means of production (the ability to send satellites into space with sufficient cash, the ability to research and explain, and exercising our ability to license out our own works), we're just deciding what do with those means. No violent revolution or Marxism involved.<br />
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===[[User:Mion]]=== <br />
*Top level recent information ==<br />
I agree with Frederick, copyrighted information/publications from the United Nations (UN)[[http://www.un.org/copyright.htm]] and departmens of it and sortlike public funded organisations. (How about the EU ? which is doing the same) , Speeding up the circulation of that type of information is helpfull for society,<br />
*Or, where another part of information is created, in the Academic Journal/Peer review system.<br />
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* definately a library of pictures of notable people (current and 20th century politicians, scientists, artists, others...)<br />
* library of good resolution pictures of 2d and 3d art etc as found in museums and art galleries around the world both for work which is in the public domain and still under copyright (it's hard to legitimately get images of public domain works of art when they are housed in collections)<br />
* medical quality photographs and diagrams of the human body and its organs etc both in health and disease (all too often we have to fall back on a single image from gray's anatomy when any article could benefit from more than one diagram and photographs with different focus/perspectives)<br />
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=== Seed music ===<br />
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While [[James Brown]] was in jail, the upcoming [[rap]] artists used samples of his works extensively.<br />
If you could find some pieces of modern music with such a potential for reuse, that could be great.<br />
I wonder, [[Michael Jackson]] had the rights for [[The Beatles]] music.<br />
If he has not resold them yet, could he use 100 million dollars? {{unsigned|84.20.17.84}}<br />
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IIRC, the value of the catalog was estimated at 250 million in one of the stories about Jackson's deterioriating financial situation.<br />
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===[[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]]===<br />
Not sure if the funds would be enough, but I think buying down the royalties of past [[en:Associated Press|Associated Press]] photo collections (those before the 1990s) en-masse would be great.<br />
# Definitely encyclopedic. For every photo that a reputable news agency has shot, probably another Wikipedia article out there demands for it.<br />
# We can get rid of a whole lot of fair use images, especially when it comes to time-based events where there is no previously known free replacement other than from news agencies.<br />
# Benefits project-wide. These photos can then be uploaded to Wikipedia Commons, and then applies to all editions of Wikipedia.<br />
# Sustainable returns. Giving them away in return for crediting Wikipedia (GFDL) brings in more visitors to the project. - [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 19:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Yes! Many of these AP photos are just as encyclopedic as old paintings that have their own articles at Wikipedia. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 21:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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I second this idea, the AP catalog would be invaluable. [[User:Nhandler|Nhandler]] 02:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Angus|angus]] ===<br />
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Textbooks. --[[User:Angus|angus]] ([[User Talk:Angus|msgs]]) 20:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[User:AxelBoldt|AxelBoldt]]===<br />
Textbooks is seconded. Identify the 100 core subjects of standard undergraduate education, for each subject choose a leading textbook, then liberate these textbooks of all copyright restrictions, make them available for free download and use them to seed wikibook projects. (This might require a bit more than $10<sup>8</sup> though.) [[User:AxelBoldt|AxelBoldt]] 20:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:A wonderful qualifier, texts used as a basis of undergraduate education would provide a lot of information. Personally I would prefer engineering texts but that's just me. If we were to further specify, undergraduate texts used predominately during the third or fourth years of four year programs. Less complicated informations are more likely to have already been wiki'd or could be wiki'd for relatively less work (since more people complete the first or second year of an engineering program before being smashed to bits by something like a senior thesis.) [[User:Idyll M|Idyll M]] 00:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::MIT has put a number of its undergraduate and graduate textbooks online under a Creative Commons A-NC-SA license as part of the [http://ocw.mit.edu OpenCourseWare project]). I don't think that means you can pull their text directly into WikiBooks, but it's something to be aware of so you don't duplicate effort. --sparrow_hawk (on Wikipedia)<br />
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===[[User:jon513|Jon513]]===<br />
Textbooks is thirded (is that a word?). Textbooks much more than any other information consumed is a major financial burden. More so than news, encyclopedia, or pictures. It is also very difficult to find free alternatives. Also other information (news, pictures) is more a luxury than a necessity. Free textbooks can change the world allowing a global standardization of education. [[User:Jon513|Jon513]] 19:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br><br />
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If textbooks are freed, it's probably best to not spend good money on subjects that obsolete quickly. Math has more value over time than, say, web design. It wouldn't make much sense to invest millions of dollars on something that'll be useless in seven years.<br />
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===[[User:Improv|Improv]]===<br />
*Satellite imagery (there are many cool ways we could integrate such a database into MediaWiki software)<br />
*Sheet Music<br />
*Contents of scientific journals (this could be huge)<br />
*Back issues of political journals (e.g. Far East Review)<br />
*Judicial Commentary from Lexis-Nexis/Westlaw/etc, as appropriate by countries (although I suspect they would not be interested in sharing this information)<br />
*Archives from legislative summary services<br />
*Collections of Responsa/Fatwa/other religious rulings and discussions<br />
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Categorically, it would be interesting to enter into an agreement with journal companies whereby when specific journal issues become 10 years old, we acquire them under GFDL license - presumably they're not reselling them beyond that point, and it would not be hard to build a large list of journals we're interested in.<br />
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=== Instead of buying, spend money on persuading ===<br />
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A huge pile of content is non-free not because the author wants to control it or profit from it, but for purely historical reasons, negligence, and cluelessness. So I'd propose to spend part of the money on a low-noise, targeted promotional campaign. Mail personalized letters to world governments, various agencies, publishers, all kinds of content creators. Explain, persuade, help them make however much of their content free. I'm sure this will open up more content than outright buying. [[User:24.137.84.198|24.137.84.198]] 21:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I wholeheartedly agree. National archives, art galleries, scientific research, museums, geographical data, even governmental press releases containing useful images... most of the world knowledge is "owned" by the governments and paid with people's money. Lobbying them for releasing that materials under a free license would prove more worthwhile than paying slave traders to release their slaves. [[User:Cinabrium|Cinabrium]] 02:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::That's certainly a good point...see if you can get something for a few hundred before you buy it outright for thousands.--[[:en:User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[:en:User talk:HereToHelp|talk]]) 18:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I think this is the best idea yet. Instead of buying a limited amount of content and making it free, educate people about how information doesn't have to cost money. [[User:130.208.165.78|130.208.165.78]] 23:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:I also am for this idea. Somehow I think a lot of people would be more than happy to 'donate' or make their content free, as long as it is going to a good source. Personally I'd be glad to donate to such a great cause (as wiki).<br />
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:Though this may be the most efficient option, it will not succeed at helping Wikipedia in the areas that it needs the most, namely those copyrights that are held by people who will not give them up without actual money. [[User:169.229.89.53|169.229.89.53]] 06:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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I think 24.137.84.198 has a good point, but where is this $100M coming from? If it is from the 501(c)(3) foundation, aren’t there limitations as to how we can use the money? Personally, I want pictures archived by the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA--a Japanese equivalent of NASA). The Japanese government can claim copyrights under current Japanese laws and regulations……and there is (almost) no “fair use” concept in Japan. I can use most of NASA’s pictures in our Japanese Wiki pages thanks to U.S. taxpayers, but Japanese Wikipedians in Japan cannot use JAXA’s pictures (and/or most of pictures and photos made by Japanese government agencies) in Japanese Wiki pages thanks to......--[[User:Californiacondor|Californiacondor]] 16:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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*I like this idea, although I don't think this is a money issue (as this sum likely could not be used for this sort of thing) so much as it is a communication issue. We are talking about persuading large governments that have a lot invested in these things to make a major policy shift. A few letters will likely not do it -- it would be great if local chapters of Wikimania were to take this up as worthwhile causes, seeking help from the foundation as necessary and helpful. --[[User:Improv|Improv]] 19:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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**“Liberate” (copylefted by [[User: Shanes|Shanes]]) “the world knowledge ‘owned’ by the governments and paid with people's money” (copylefted by [[User:Cinabrium|Cinabrium]])! I ''love'' that! Delete this message if inappropriate (sorry, but I’m a newbie.). [[User:Improv|Improv]], who are “We” and where is this discussion taking place? I want to be part of this worthwhile cause. Yeah, we don’t need to pay for materials again when taxpayers have already paid for the materials. --[[User:Californiacondor|Californiacondor]] 02:55, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[:fr:User:Neuceu|NeuCeu]] ===<br />
*High definition pictures of medieval illuminated manuscripts (for example, low res pictures are available at Bibliothèque nationale de France, but you have de pay for the high res versions).<br />
*Photo sets of pieces in museums like the Louvre (similar to what was given by DirectMedia for the York Project on Commons).<br />
*Geodata : map templates, elevation terrain models, hydrographic data, etc.<br />
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===[[User:Mushroom|Mushroom]]===<br />
*Old manuscripts (to be scanned, transcribed and translated). They are already in the public domain but having free access to them is difficult, and this is a shame. Libraries, archives and universities often make you pay for high quality copies, or retain the copyright to the scanned images, or just refuse to digitize full manuscripts. Creating a new, free digitization project in collaboration with the major manuscript archives in the world would open up this sealed source of knowledge to anyone. If this can't be done, buying a single collection of manuscripts and funding its digitization could be a less expensive alternative.<br />
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*Another idea: abandonware. You could buy discontinued copyrighted software, release it under the GPL and create a free and legal Internet archive for it.<br />
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*And pictures! A free picture for every Wikipedia article, especially for those where it's difficult or impossible to make a new one.<br />
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*Corrupting politicians to make them change the copyright laws. Ok, not seriously ;D [[User:Mushroom|Mushroom]] 21:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[:en:User:American Patriot 1776|American Patriot 1776]]===<br />
I'll limit my book wishlist to 3:<br />
*Cold War Secret Nuclear Bunkers By: N.J. McCamley<br />
:*A comprehensive description of continuity of government programs in the Cold War and it's structures. Putting the exact wording of some sections into our articles would greatly augment ur Cold War knowledge.<br />
*To Save a City: The Berlin Airlift 1948 - 1949 By: Roger G. Miller<br />
:*A wonderful, detailed description of every aspect of the Berlin Airlift. Once again, the precise and gripping language of the book would fit perfectly into several different articles.<br />
*The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich By: William L. Shirer<br />
:*Accepted as a masterpiece and one of the most thorough descriptions of Nazi Germany ever. Not only would our own articles be improved, but also the world. [[User:69.142.46.197|69.142.46.197]] 00:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC) (American Patriot 1776)<br />
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===[[User:Piotrus|Piotrus]]===<br />
#Photos' archives, as they are something we most often use and is hardest to reproduce.<br />
#Maps, per above.<br />
#Film (documentaries) archives?<br />
#More archives :)<br />
#Perhaps some proprietary software that our devs would like to play with?<br />
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===[[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]]===<br />
The Library of Congress has a wide variety of folk music recordings, such as [http://www.loc.gov/folklife/folkcat.html#AFSL13 here], that are public domain (mostly, I think, IANAL) but are not easily available because you gotta pay for an audiocassette - some are downloadable, but not all, and not many of the most interesting ones. I'm not entirely sure how one would go about taking an audiocassette and making it an ogg vorbis file, but I'm sure it's possible. One way or another, we should be able to vastly increase the amount of free, educational folk music available on the Commons and other projects. Note that though this is the Library of Congress, there are recordings from all around the world, not just the US. I know there's a British library or two that also has recordings that are public domain but not easily available, and I suppose many other national libraries probably do as well. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 03:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[en:User:Kunzite|Kunzite]]===<br />
There would be several ways to go about this. Would you want the contentto be quickly integrated into the Wikisource or Wikipedia? Could you wait seveal months/years for content to be digitized? Digitization is costly in terms of staff time and digitizing works as a collaboration can be done, but it doesn't seem to fit the wiki model. Digitizing items using the collaboration would require physical materials to be sent to someone in order to be digitized. However, Wikimedia may want to outsource or partner with some organizations (archives, libraries, etc...) who want to do this. ([http://www.hti.umich.edu/m/moagrp/moa_conversion.html example conversion process]) <br />
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It may be more cost effective to purchase reference material that has been already digitized, batch digitized (which would be a good collabroation project for error correction), or "born digital" and batch integrate it into the collection. This could be something like a photo collection, newspaper items, or a database of biographies on authors. [[en:User:Kunzite|Kunzite]] -----<br />
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===[[en:User:Lachaume|Régis Lachaume]]===<br />
It'd be great to have free on-line access to the text of major specialised journals in the field of sciences, arts, and literature. And also to that of most striking novels of the 20th century ! It'd be costly though... [[User:132.248.81.29|132.248.81.29]] 17:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[en:User:MrDarcy|MrDarcy]]===<br />
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I'd go for history textbooks, preferably more than one on each subject (for NPOV reasons), and especially ones covering non-Western history. We could go beyond textbooks in English and rely on the community to help with interwiki translation. Any textbooks that cover more traditional encyclopedia topics would be great, in fact. Or, if you want to get really crazy, purchase the copyright to an older edition of a dead-tree encyclopedia, like a non-current edition of World Book, with the goal of assimilating all the information on topics that are no longer changing (world history, art history, literary history, etc.). | [[en:User:MrDarcy|MrDarcy]] 03:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Nojhan|Nojhan]] ===<br />
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* [[:en:ESA]] has lot of multimedia stuff : http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmghome.pl<br />
* [[:en:INA]] is the first audiovisual archive center in the world and the first digital image databank in Europe : http://www.ina.fr/archives/index.en.html<br />
* The french ''Réunion des musées nationaux''sells books, images, videos, CD-ROMs and DVD-ROMs from the main french museums (see [[:fr:Réunion des musées nationaux]]) : http://www.rmn.fr/index-gb.html<br />
* Press articles databases : [http://www.pressedd.com/ Pressed], [http://www.europresse.com/EuroPresse/NonMembers/frame_intro.asp Europresse] and [http://www.lexisnexis.fr/pressebusiness/produits.htm LexisNexis]<br />
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=== [[User:Ashibaka]] ===<br />
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Buy all of Bob Dylan's music. That deserves to be in the public domain. <br />
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Seriously, if you want to do something useful, '''don't''' buy history textbooks-- anyone can write a history textbook with the proper sources. Buy the primary sources: newspaper archives, firsthand accounts, videos, letters. And although this is more subjective, I wouldn't buy science stuff at all, there's little benefit in having a particular explanation of public domain facts made reprintable. I'd say the best use of money would be to buy huge amounts of out-of-print music and literature, so that they can be better preserved. [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] 15:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. Let's write our own textbooks; get the valuable stuff before it is lost to time.--[[:en:User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[:en:User talk:HereToHelp|talk]]) 19:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::I also agree. History-sources are very important to be free. THOMAS (German Wikipedia)<br />
::Ditto. [[User:555|555]] 05:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[:en:User:Renata3]]===<br />
Thinking big? [[:en:Factiva]] + [[:en:JSTOR]] :)<br />
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Thinking smaller? <br />
* Local (i.e. only about one country) or specific (i.e. on medicine, on aviation, on music) encyclopedias. There is nothing new in general encyclopedias (i.e. EB) that WP does not have already.<br />
* Textbooks, and lots of them. See [http://www.textbookmedia.com] for $0 textbooks.<br />
* Image and '''map''' archives / libraries.<br />
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=== [[User:Californiacondor]] ===<br />
Only if lawfully feasible, buy <s>all</s> some photos taken by Ernesto "Che" Guevara when he travled around the world (at least one photo from each country he visted) or all photos depicting him. --[[User:Californiacondor|Californiacondor]] 17:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Durova]] ===<br />
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I'd survey tenured professors at major universities and ask for their recommendations, particularly regarding out-of-print titles that they regard in high esteem. This would have several benefits:<br />
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*$100 million could buy a large number of copyrights for useful hard-to-find textbooks and reference works.<br />
*Wikipedia editors could cite these books to improve articles.<br />
*Professors could include these works in their assigned course reading without the usual misgivings: students would have free access to them (through Wikiversity?) rather than pay exorbitant prices for new textbooks or wait for short-term access to a single library copy.<br />
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Much of this material isn't cost-effective to republish via traditional book publishing and remains unavailable until copyright finally expires. [[User:Durova|Durova]] 21:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:I think thats a really cool idea, but how will those poor execs at (major college bookstore chain deleted) buy their new yachts if they can't sell used paperback copies of The Birdcage for 14.95? :) [[User:Youngamerican|Youngamerican]] 00:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Heh - they could always fill the shelves with other interesting titles. Remember that many of these are out of print, so the bookstores themselves wouldn't lose much. ;) [[User:Durova|Durova]] 01:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[User:Grahamec]]===<br />
Paintings are especially important. Even paintings that are out of copyright are hard to photograph under gallery rules. --[[User:Grahamec|Grahamec]] 00:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I don't think we need to buy old encyclopedias, we can already quote these sources and we should not need to plagiarise them. On the other hand images like paintings and the [[w:Tube map|London Underground map]] are hard to come by. --[[User:Grahamec|Grahamec]] 04:59, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::The problem is that we could spend a small fortune on just one image. Just think about the London underground map - it would cost lots of thousands to get the rights to print it in the back of a diary or something - but we want FREE access for all the world - which amounts to destroying the owner's ability to sell it over and over. That would cost a LOT of money - and even assuming we could get it - it could take months of negotiations and big financial outlay for what? One or two articles. It's just not cost effective. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] 02:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[en:User:Shanes|Shanes]]===<br />
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#Liberate as much and as recent images/media from as many [[en:Category:News agencies|News agencies]] as possible. The agencies who liberate their archives know it will give them good publicity, both because they're doing a favour to human mankind, and because the content (with courtesy attribution notes) will be seen by a larger audience, something their marketing departments will like. While the agencies who don't follow will know that the media they own the rights to will now drop in value anyway, since so much is being released by other agencies.<br />
#[[en:National Geographic Society|National Geographic]] media. They have lots of high quality pictures that is very hard for us to get even close to have.<br />
#Books and media (images, diagrams, etc) from modern medicine. If we could offer accurate and up to date media that can help people around the world learn modern medicine, that would be huge.<br />
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=== Neutrality ===<br />
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#Textbooks.<br />
#Map imagery.<br />
#The rights to ''[[w:Bartlett's Familiar Quotations|Bartlett's Familiar Quotations]]'' for [[Wikiquote]].<br />
#The rights to [[w:Shelby Foote|Shelby Foote's]] ''[[w:The Civil War: A Narrative|The Civil War: A Narrative]]''.<br />
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--[[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]] 03:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Your last entry makes me wonder. The Civil War is the most popular of American wars for publications. The ''Official Records ...'' in 128 volumes is already available on a single CD, as are the further 27 volumes of naval operations. Foote's book may give a particular perspective on the war, but I think that before real decisions are made we need to broadly evaluate the literature on a subject. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 06:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::That being said, if Bartlett's is up for grabs as a reasonable cost (and we know it won't be), it's a great idea.--[[:en:User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[:en:User talk:HereToHelp|talk]]) 19:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[w:User:Riana dzasta|User:Riana dzasta]] ===<br />
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Oh, wow. <br />
# Audio<br />
# Pictures, especially for biographical articles<br />
# Textbooks<br />
# Maps<br />
# Satellite images<br />
# Access to "pay-per-view" journal articles on the web? <br />
&mdash; '''[[User:Riana_dzasta|riana_dzasta]]''' <sub>[[w:User_talk:Riana_dzasta|wreak havoc]]'''|'''[[Special:Contributions/Riana_dzasta|damage report]] </sub> 05:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[:en:User:LiquidGhoul|LiquidGhoul]]===<br />
We are in real need of photos of endangered or recently extinct species. We have very few good photos of extinct speices, and we have few endangered speices also. Also, flora/fauna of areas with very few or no Wikipedians, such as New Guinea, areas of South America, etc. I am sure the community could come up with quite a good list of species we are in desperate need of. --[[:en:User:LiquidGhoul|LiquidGhoul]] 14:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I don't understand this need to buy the rights to other encyclopaedias. We can always use them as a source, and then we have a well referenced article. If we just copied an entire article from an encyclopaedia, it wouldn't make it a featured article. We would need to change it, expand it etc. and it probably wouldn't end up in the same shape in which we bought it. It is much better to use it as one of the sources, then there is less chance of innacuracies getting through. Go to the original source, not another encyclopaedia. Most will be out of date in no time as well, Wikipedia is better for its ability to stay up-to-date. Sounds like a waste of money to me. --[[:en:User:LiquidGhoul|LiquidGhoul]]<br />
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=== [[User:Zocky|Zocky]] ===<br />
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One word: Britannica. [[User:Zocky|Zocky]] 17:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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: Can we get the OED too? - [[User:TheDaveRoss|TheDaveRoss]] 22:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[:en:User:Andrew Levine|Andrew Levine]] ===<br />
'''Idea 1: Make a deal with national libraries that hold public-domain content to make it all easily available.''' For example, the Library of Congress has an extensive collection of mid-20th-century images from Look Magazine, the New York World Telegram, and U.S. News and World Report, which were all donated to the public domain by their copyright-holders, but only a small number are online. Tuf-Kat mentioned above the LoC's collection of folk music recordings for which you have to go through a lengthy process to get a reproduction. Pay the Library of Congress $5,000,000 to have all of these images, recordings, etc. uploaded in high-res format. Do the some with other major national libraries.<br/><br />
'''Idea 2: Buy the rights to old, specialized encyclopedias which are not yet out of copyright.''' This would be moot of we got the orphan-works laws passed, but it's a slightly more "down to earth" option. For example, my great-uncle used to have an enormous multi-volume encyclopedia of music that was published in the 1950s, some of it on compositions and composers which probably don't even have Wikipedia articles yet. Chances are, if the publisher even still exists anymore, they'd be willing to part with the rights to a half-century-out-of-date encyclopedia on classical music for less than a half million dollars. If not outright purchasing the material, an agreement to license the text under the GFDL or CC-SA might cost less. Do this with any number of other specialized encyclopedias (focusing on art, history, biographical, etc. Not so much science because that may be too-out-of date to be useful). Then hire some new staffers to upload all of the content to Wikisource. [[en:User:Andrew Levine|Andrew Levine]] 21:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[user:Qviri]] ===<br />
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According to my count, ''fourthed'' '''satellite images'''. For geography articles, we are able to get free (as in license) photographs, create free maps, but satellite imaginery (and what better way to illustrate urban sprawl, light pollution, patterns in human settlement, secret government installations, etc) is a bit out of your average editor's ballpark. --[[user:Qviri]] 00:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Really? Have you looked at the stuff from Nasa, especially [[:en:World Wind]]. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 12:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== UNIX SVRx ===<br />
Buy all (if any) outstanding copyrights to the UNIX source code, on a "bounty" basis. This should not cost very much, since the current copyrights are tenuous. UNIX is seminal, and the current uncertanties about the copyrights are an impedement to the development of new software.<br />
:Great idea! Buy UNIX copyrights, so other free operating systems (Linux, *BSD, etc.) don't have to worry about infringing on very old copyrights. Wonder what that'd to to the IBM-SCO case?<br />
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=== [[en:User:Yaksha|Yaksha]] ===<br />
I don't think buying textbooks is such a good idea. Textbooks are an eample of work which we ''can'' generate free replacements for. If we can build a free encyclopedia, i don't think textbooks are so far off. All we need is the time, and perhaps more people, to build completely free textbooks. <br />
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I think it would be better to put money into buying and freeing works which we trying cannot make replacements for. <br />
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*Primary sources - old photos, pictures, original footage, manuscripts, sheet music, designs, drawings..etc Especially things which could be used to improve our other projects - like replacing Fair Use pictures wikipedia articles with truely free pictures. <br />
*Things which will help us - softwares like translation software, or things like old newspaper articles, journal archives, earth imagery, etc. which will be useful to wikipedia editors<br />
*Freeing things which can be incorporated into our projects - like encyclopedias and/or dictionaries. Not nessasarily english ones either - buying rights to encyclopedias and dictionaries in some languages could seriously give a boost to the wikipedia/wikitionary projects in those languages. It would be better than a textbook, which would just be converted into a softcopy and slapped onto wikibooks. <br />
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I also think putting some money into advertising and publicity work would be really good. We should<br />
* encourage people (or groups/companies) to free their own work<br />
* contact newspapers, journals and other publishing groups to see if we can strike any deals on freeing work of certain years old<br />
* contacting governments - to quote ''"A huge pile of content is non-free not because the author wants to control it or profit from it, but for purely historical reasons, negligence, and cluelessness. So I'd propose to spend part of the money on a low-noise, targeted promotional campaign. Mail personalized letters to world governments, various agencies, publishers, all kinds of content creators. Explain, persuade, help them make however much of their content free. I'm sure this will open up more content than outright buying."''<br />
* encouranging places like libariries to get already free work online or more easily avaiable. <br />
--[[en:User:Yaksha|Yaksha]] 03:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[en:User:Vicarious|Vicarious]] ===<br />
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User access to solid verifiable peer reviewed material via services such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBSCO_Publishing EBSCO] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proquest Proquest]. <br />
--[[en:User:Vicarious|Vicarious]] 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, please! [[en:User:riana_dzasta|User:riana_dzasta]] 15:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== TV News Archive (user THOMAS/German Wikipedia) ===<br />
I think a TV news archive from the beginning to now would be great. But that's a big job and of course it's very difficult because of the licenses.<br />
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=== Dover Publications ===<br />
Dover has a very nice assortment of books, some already in the public domain (but already digitalized by them). Buy the rights to their collection.[[en:User:Somoza|Somoza]]13:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
Yes! This is an excellent idea. I learn most of my science from them because they are such classics and so cheap. It would be fantastic if I could wiki them instead!<br />
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=== Legal documents ===<br />
West Publishing holds the copyrights on the legal reporters (volumes of caselaw) that contain the published opinions of state and federal courts in the United States. (In some cases, West can't claim copyright to the opinions themselves, but does claim copyright to the pagination system and the headnotes that to some extent are the basis of the most common forms of legal citation). Making this information publicly available could make it easier for people who do not have easy or affordable access to Westlaw or Lexis/Nexis to research legal points. [[User:38.98.195.226|38.98.195.226]] 18:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== National Geographic photos ===<br />
The National Geographic photo library [[User:38.98.195.226|38.98.195.226]] 18:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:TheDaveRoss|TheDaveRoss]] ===<br />
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All US Court decisions, of course the Supreme Court being most important, but the rest of them too. - [[User:TheDaveRoss|TheDaveRoss]] 06:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:See [[Wikisource:Case_law#United_States_Supreme_Court|Wikisource:Case law]].--[[:en:User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[:en:User talk:HereToHelp|talk]]) 19:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== Use for technical images ===<br />
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Technical, high-level drawings and maps. Example: cut-offs of mechanism (planes, locomotives, cars, motors, electronic circuits etc.), plans of industries (i.e. production flows), detailed maps of cities. I think it would not cost so much to acquire the rights of some professional works. Some 3000 drawings would make this encyclopedia stunning. --[[User:151.47.101.123|151.47.101.123]] 15:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:A lot of that can be done ourselves, but it's still an interesting idea.<br />
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===[[:en:User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]]===<br />
I think that the money is best used to free some of the best of 20th Century Literature. I'd like to see some good classics available, like:<br />
*<u>[[wikipedia:Gone with the Wind|Gone with the Wind]]</u> ([[wikipedia:Margaret Mitchell|Margaret Mitchell]])<br />
*<u>[[wikipedia:Nineteen Eighty-Four|Nineteen Eighty-Four]]</u> ([[wikipedia:George Orwell|George Orwell]])<br />
*<u>[[wikipedia:The Diary of A Young Girl|The Diary of A Young Girl]]</u> ([[wikipedia:Anne Frank|Anne Frank]])<br />
However, those will probably cost a heck of a lot, and will be out in twenty or thirty (as opposed to seventy) years. Still, their what I put priority on (and may be cheaper because it's a shorter time until the rights holder loses that title, anyway.) Non-fiction is also fine (I like [[#American Patriot 1776]]'s suggestions), as are [[#Danny]]'s wishes for equipment to digitize old recordings. (Speaking of which, sound files of classic speeches or musical pieces are also fine by me.) Biblical translations are also good (try to get a clear, modern one; in my opinion, "thys" and "thous" distort the understanding of the text). Textbooks for Wikipedia is also an interesting idea, but we should not use them to simply replace encyclopedia articles, and we should look into citing them (fair use style) first. Images are also an interesting idea, but we manage alright without them. Those should only be bought on a specific, case-to-case basis.<br />
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===[[pl:User:Mieciu K|Mieciu K]]===<br />
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Just one wish, but a big one. Let's buy the rights to one or more [[w:Tank Man]] photographs. Tank Man aka "The unknown rebel" is [[w:TIME Magazine's 100 most influential people of the 20th century]]. Right now many of the wikipedias that do not allow fair use images cannot use tank man photographs [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian%27anmen-Massaker Tian'anmen-Massaker (de wiki)] [[User:84.10.40.120|84.10.40.120]] 01:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[en:User:megapixie]] ===<br />
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* Buy the GFDL rights to one (or possibly two) un-reproducable news images at the end of every week, could be done via a vote/discussion to decide which image(s) to buy. Probably would be cheap enough that it could be kept going indefinately. Images could be attributed via invariant text to the donar.<br />
* Work with a number of museums to photograph their collections of objects (not art - but objects) in a professional way. Probably would cost less than $2 million to "rent" and photograph the collections of a dozen major world museums. Images could be attributed via invariant text to the donar.<br />
* Hire an inhouse graphic artist to work on diagrams/maps full time. Cost would be less than 100k/year - could be continued indefinately. A decent artist could produce in the region of 1,000+ diagrams a year. All work could be attributed to the donor via invariant text. <br />
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That's all I can think of right now. [[User:Megapixie|Megapixie]] 13:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== Alkivar's request ===<br />
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# get the "proper" licensing from all of the major music licencing groups so we can legally sample/post samples of musicians for all of our music articles.<br />
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Thats all I can think of that I'd want personally. [[w:User:Alkivar|Alkivar]]<br />
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=== Chris ===<br />
Music metadata. Believe it or not, there is no standard, agreed-upon scheme for recording the names of artists, albums, and tracks. This information is not typically encoded on a CD. There are several competing standards: FreeDB, AMG, Muze, etc., but the best data is all proprietary. A big, common location where everyone can contribute would make finding music much easier.<br />
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=== Pat Furrie ===<br />
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I second this recomendation. And I'd like to expand on that idea, for what could be done wiki-style and aided by proper capitolization.<br />
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Whoever had the idea of giving songs/music/media a single "genre" <br />
classification from the outset was fantastically short-sighted.<br />
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Yes, there is a ID3 means for multi-genre classification, but that's just not used. Why? Because it doesn't cross the threshold of having enough added value in the way it is implemented.<br />
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In the spirit of "being constructive," here's my suggestion:<br />
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Bit map the genre/category/groups information.<br />
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Divide up this data field into many unique genre "descriptors" which cover the gamut of descriptive types, in a heirarchical (sp?) structure, and configured so as few or as many descriptors can be flagged for a given file.<br />
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The descriptors cover a range of major topics, from classical genre types, to local descriptions (New Orleans, Asian, French, etc), instrument types (strings, percussion, horns, etc), band type (orchestral, quartet, acapella, etc), mood (happy, inspirational, flamboyant), and others (such as a set of "adult" bits).<br />
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Who decides? A database, run wiki-style, which maintains all the classifications that users give input to. The same sort of mechanism for mediation which exist for wiki articles also exists for genre disputes. <br />
Some fields for certain media are locked when there is no dispute about a song being in that catagory (if the song has trumpets, it has trumpets).<br />
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So what if a song ends up classified as both rock and jazz? Some stuff will have mutliple classications -- that's the whole point.<br />
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New classification terms can end up in the database through a submission process...<br />
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=== Phragit ===<br />
Though it may be slightly unorthadox it would be a good idea to purchase the rights to several underapreciated music albums that are not currently availible such as King James Version by Harvey Danger. Some great films would also be better liberated from copyrights, especially the films Salo, Day of the Fight and Flying Padre.<br />
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===[[User:Butterwaffle]]===<br />
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As an engineer it would be great to see deesign standards and materials data freely available. This information currently costs a lot of money to access and thus isn't integrated into design software very well. Here are some examples of things that would be great:<br />
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# Steam tables. These are in the back of most thermodynamics textbooks but the textbook copyright prevents you from duplicating them in software. The software that comes with the textbooks is uniformly miserable. Tables for other common fluids (air, refrigerants, etc.) would have the same value. The nice thing about this is that with $100M, you could purchase lab equipment required to perform the measurements and then publish the results for many different fluids.<br />
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# Solid material properties. As with the above, paying someone to carefully run experiments on a variety of materials would be great if the copyright holders were unwilling to publish their data. Data include things such as elasticity, fatigue strength, impact strength, failure curves for uniaxial stress and bending moment tests, etc..<br />
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# ASME and ASCE and SAE (and JSME and iMechE) design guidelines. These societies publish design guidelines for pressure vessels, automotive components, pretty much anything mechanical that humans build. Often the guidelines are codified as local and national building codes but are not freely available.<br />
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# Engineering textbooks on basic subjects like Physics (e.g., Halliday and Resnick), Chemistry, Thermodynamics (Cengel and Boles), Statics and Dynamics (Beer and Johnston), Fluids (Fox and MacDonald), and Machine Design (Shigley).<br />
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: By my count, a fifth in favor of engineering texts and data. [[User:Idyll M|Idyll M]] 00:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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: Just buy out the people who produce the CRC Handbook? --sparrow_hawk (on Wikipedia)<br />
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=== Free the Literature! ===<br />
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There are plenty of <i>old</i> journal articles out there which are nonetheless incredibly important - things that helped start new scientific fields and subfields. Science is, supposedly, the publicly held, publicly verifiable knowledge of humankind. There is no decent reason why <i>all scientific literature before 1996</i> should not be online - journals have no excuses to keep this information locked up; they've already been paid for it.<br />
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Dead trees are not information, they are pictures of information. You can't run NLU algorithms on hunks of wood, or even search them properly. That literature needs to go online and free, so that humanity can make proper use of its own knowledge.<br />
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I don't know if $100M is enough to get this done, but it might be enough to get it started. <br />
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--[[User:64.142.82.33|64.142.82.33]] 23:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
I second this idea. If it is done, efforts should be made to use the same instruments as the original composer used or intended to be used.<br />
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=== Specific textbook suggestions ===<br />
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any specific texbooks people have found extremely helpfull in their respective fields should be mentioned here<br />
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* The Feynman Lectures on Physics - arguably the best set of physics textbooks ever written, they encompass basic physics through reletivistic space time and quantum mechanics in very intuitive and easy to understand language.<br />
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* Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, by Abelson, Sussman, and Sussman (Computer Science)<br />
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* An Introduction to Database Systems, by Christopher J DATE (Data and databases)<br />
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* Transaction Processing, by Jim GRAY<br />
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* Economics, by Anthony SAMUELSON<br />
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=== Recordings of classical music ===<br />
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Convince an orchestra to record music such that they are paid strictly on a salary basis -- no royalties.<br />
Use this orchestra to begin to compile "reference recordings" of the world's music, and place the MP3s in the public domain.<br />
This would work well for composers who have been long dead, where the actual composition is no longer under copyright.<br />
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Make sure a decent (if not outright the best) orchestra makes these reference recordings.<br />
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It might be useful to talk with folks from the [http://www.classicalarchives.com/ Classical Archives]. If they have convinced orchestras (notably, some Russian ones) to hand them recordings for a $25/year subscription library, they may as well work out a public domain deal for the same works.<br />
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=== Why Not $200 million / Medicine===<br />
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I suggest whatever you decide on purchasing right to... you get other agencies to match what you put up for the rights. Or request it at half cost... make $100 million into $200 million. I don't know if this is feasible.. but how about Medicine intellectual property... buying research on AIDS/Cancer treatments and making it public domain might save lives. If you were doing something like this... for the "Public Good" the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (http://www.gatesfoundation.org/) might match the $100 million.<br />
::I have to disagree on this. I dont find that this project is to save human lives - there are other fund rasing projects that aim to that. --[[User:80.221.27.231|80.221.27.231]] 06:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::::Regardless of whether it would help save lives, I'd like to see all full-text articles in Medline (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/) available for free.<br />
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=== Dictionaries ===<br />
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The OED has already been suggested, and I'd like to add [[:w:A Latin Dictionary|Lewis and Short]] and [[:w:Greek-English Lexicon|Liddell & Scott]]. [[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 01:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Note that Lewis and Short is already in the public domain and is not being revised at all. Some editions of Liddell and Scott are already in the public domain. Public domain searchable versions of these have already been digitized and made available to the public by the Perseus Project, although they don't seem to allow full-text download. [[:w:User:Schoen]]<br />
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=== Translations of classics which are public domain only in other languages ===<br />
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For example, although the Hebrew and Greek text of the Bible is public domain, all the good English translations are copyrighted. Many other ancient pieces of literature share the same predicament. [[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 01:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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====Al-Qur'an====<br />
<small>(I took the liberty of making this a subsection. [[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 01:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC))</small><br />
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Translated by Ahmed Ali; Princeton University Press; 2nd Rev edition; <br />
ISBN: 0691020469<br />
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====Critical Editions of the Bible====<br />
Although the Hebrew and Greek text of the Bible is in public domain (or at least certain versions of it), the primary critical editions are not public domain. For example the BHS (Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia) for Hebrew and both NA27 (Nestle Aland 27th Edition) and UBS4 (United Bible Society 4th Edition) for Greek.<br />
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=== [[User:SteveBaker]]'s wishlist ===<br />
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There are a lot of individual works (many very worthy - many listed above) that it would greatly benefit the world as Wikipedia fodder. But we can't just go out with a big pile of cash and magically get them. You'd have to negotiate with individual copyright holders - some things we want might simply be unobtainable at any price - in other cases, the copyright owners are impossible to contact. In general, our members can read these works - and write about what they learned. We just don't need the copyrights in a vast majority of cases if all we want is to suck out the juices and write them down in our own words.<br />
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The biggest place where copyright issues crop up right now is in 'fair use' photographs - but again, negotiating a price for the use of these photos would be exceedingly difficult - and in many cases impossible.<br />
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Furthermore, things that will come out of copyright on their own in the reasonably near future are a waste of a valuable one-time bequest.<br />
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We need to think in terms of things that none of our eminent contributors can possibly come up with by themselves.<br />
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In terms of single items - I think that the purchase of high quality satellite imagery of the earth (including elevation data and any other meta-data that might be available) would enable us to provide a Google-Earth-like service, but with the ability to add Wiki links from every location. We could have people attach ground-level photography - eventually add 3D models. This is all within the scope of a Wiki-like process...but obtaining the imagery is not. We don't have free satellite access - and given the cost of getting it - we probably never would. We could, however, uniquely add value to that imagery in the way that Google or MapQuest cannot.<br />
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Another possibility is not to spend the money on freeing the copyright on materials that already exist - but instead to commission works from the greatest minds of our day - and simply donate them to the world. I would imagine that even the greatest thinkers and researchers of our time would write something quite<br />
substantial for us if offered (say) $100,000 cash. If we hade $100M to play with, we could get 1,000 major works of totally up to date materials with open copyright and on our own terms. This could be ground-breaking for the sciences (for example). What would the worlds greatest minds come up with if given an offer to write literally whatever they want as their contribution to the world's greatest encyclopedia?<br />
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[[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] 01:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Music is the fuel of life. I love to play guitar and sing in my spare time and it would be great to have guitar tabs and lyrics freely available. It could even inspire me, and others, to write fresh original material.<br />
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=== [[User:geekwithsoul]]'s suggestion ===<br />
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Scans of Census forms for U.S., United Kingdom, and other countries as available for as many years as are available. These are a vital piece of history and contain information simply not available elsewhere. The wiki-fication would include transcription of text in images and annotations (showing important data, errors on orginal forms, etc.).<br />
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:For obvious reasons, census data is kept confidential for a century or so after the census, and is thus not available to purchase at any price.<br />
:[[User:DrPlokta|DrPlokta]] 07:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:humpback]]'s suggestion ===<br />
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All the ISO standards and maybe other sets of standards that are not available for free. Dont know if these could be bought and placed in a wiki.<br />
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=== Knowledge Creation Machine ===<br />
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Use it to take wiki technology to the next level and create a knowledge creation machine.<br />
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--[[User:Knowledgemachine|Knowledgemachine]] 02:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== Course Writer-in-Residency Program ===<br />
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Provide a fellowship program to distinguished academics and educators, with the goal of creating a complete, University-level, online course. Authors would be supported for several months, and given access to volunteers to assist with web/multimedia design, etc.<br />
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=== Common sheet music ===<br />
I would like to see common musical scores opened up to the public domain. Currently publishing houses charge an arm and a leg (and occasionally a thumb and two toes) to 'rent' musical scores for a short period of time. The cost associated with these scores can be crushing to a semi-pro group, and is outright prohibitive to not-for-profits or amateur organizations. <br />
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I feel that if the works of some of the major composers, or some of the most commonly played symphonic, concert band, operatic and musical (think 'broadway') scores were made available in the public domain it would do amazing things to help all musicians. Our kids could learn with great works, and our tax dollars wouldn't have to pay to rent the music. Amateur groups could play the music that they want to play, and the music that the crowds want to hear (which would probably increase their revenue streams). Semi-pro organizations could afford to pay their talented workforce.<br />
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If the music was stored in an easy-to-manipulate or commonly used format (there are several XML based markup languages) a music wiki could be set up that would allow the public to create and share different arrangements (it's not just the original score that costs a fortune, but all arrangements of that score as well), annotate works, or appropriate portions into new scores.<br />
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I also feel that a site such as this would encourage future donations of existing musical works, or would encourage future composers to add portions of their own works to the collection.<br />
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Some examples of common composers or works (and this list is certainly not exhaustive) might include: West Side Story, Fiddler on the Roof, or works by Holst, Mozart, Brahms, Beethoven, etc.<br />
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=== Spectral Band Replication ===<br />
I would use a sum of the theoretical money to purchase the patents related to Spectral Band Replication and free up [http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6680972.html United States Patent 6680972] and its dependent technologies. This would allow Xiph to enhance Ogg Vorbis to surpass MP3Pro and AAC easily for perceptual quality per encoded bitrate.<br />
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::--John R. Moser<br />
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=== Form a Lobby Group to limit the current length and scope of copyrights ===<br />
It would be a great idea to use this money to form a powerful lobby group (Like all the big corps do) to publicly and openly oppose the abysmal state of the US (which influences the rest of the world) copyright laws. <br />
The lobby group should have clear goals:<br />
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1.A complete rewrite of the DMCA removing the articles about making the circumvention of security devices illegal, even for fair use.<br />
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2. Limit the length of copyright.<br />
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3. Limit the scope of copyright.<br />
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4. Make region encoding on DVD's and other artificial barriers illegal.<br />
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5. Abolish the Trusted Computing consortium<br />
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6. Punish companies for deliberately intruducing anti-competitive non standard devices <br />
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7. Eliminate or at least curb DRM so that it may not erode any of the current fair uses for copyright works in place.<br />
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ie can copy 10% of a cd or one song for personal use. One chapter of a movie or 10% for personal use.<br />
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8. Anything that will generally benifit the consumer over the corperation.<br />
::The effect on rest of the world would be very limited--[[User:80.221.27.231|80.221.27.231]] 06:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== The Human Genome ===<br />
There is quite simply nothing more important, and nothing that more deserves to be free!<br />
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=== Knowledge search engine ===<br />
The development of a search engine and a XML format for the representation for structured knowledge sources. Wikipedia would just be one of the knowledge sources. The free dictionary and project guttenberg would just two other examples. There are already many structured knowledge sources available on the internet, but they all have their own way of representing information. But in fact anybody would be able to make his/her own collection of structured knowledge available, once they have made an interface to the XML format. (Of course, part of the budget would be donated to organisations with large structured knowledge sources to create the interface.)<br />
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===[[User:Dipskinny]]'s suggestion===<br />
Saddam's Weapons of Mass Descruction<br />
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=== Empower other people to make an impact ===<br />
I am fairly disappointed at most of the suggestions. I believe the maximum impact can only be done by empowering other people to make a difference in the society. Hence my suggestion is to create an organization that identifies and finances the best social companies/concepts each year to get them off the ground. For example, maybe one laptop per child can use some more research to launch. It will become kind of like a "social research fund" that will encourage most promising "social startups" to succeed.<br />
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=== Seed Fund for a Private Version of Voted Compensation ===<br />
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The concept of *Voted Compensation* is explained in my article [http://www.1729.com/ip/PublicGood.html Published Digital Information is a Public Good: The Case for Voted Compensation].<br />
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Very briefly, it is a form of Alternative Compensation System which works as follows:<br />
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* Taxes are collected against Internet useage, computer hardware and digital recording media.<br />
* These taxes are to be used to pay for content which has been registered and licensed for free distribution.<br />
* Taxpayers vote for which registered content should be paid for by the fund.<br />
* Voting includes negative voting and voting thresholds to prevent corrupt voting (i.e. voting for your friend who produces valueless content).<br />
* There may also be meta-voting, where voters vote on adjustments to the system for translating votes into compensation decisions.<br />
* Receipt of compensation is entirely transparent, i.e. how much is allocated to which registered content producers for which content is public knowledge.<br />
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$100,000,000 could be used as a seed fund for a private version of this concept. New users could join the system by signing up for an entry fee (maybe $20) and a monthly fee (maybe $5). This would given them the right to vote for content in the system. In principle the content of a private voted compensation scheme would only have to be licenced for members of the system, i.e. it would be like a giant licensing collective, although for moral propaganda purposes it would be preferable to license all content freely (also given the stated intention of the donator behind this fund).<br />
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Two benefits could derive from using the $100,000,000 this way:<br />
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* It is devoted towards content according to the tastes of the actual public (which is supposed to be what copyright achieves).<br />
* It highlights the benefits of the Voted Compensation scheme, which might result in it being adopted in the original suggested public form (in at least some countries).<br />
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Comparing my suggestion to most of the other suggestions given here:<br />
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* Don't prejudge which type of free content is best funded.<br />
* Don't pay content producers ''before'' they produce their content.<br />
* Let the public decide which free content most deserves to be paid for, and how much.<br />
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== Elevation data & Modified Copyrights ==<br />
* Releasing elevation data of the entire earth. Two main reasons: (1) most are generated using govt funded projects which use public money; (2) there is nothing creative about it. Copyright is for creative works. The idea has already been suggested.<br />
* Release university level research literature if the work is completely funded by public money. If a private entity has funded a part or whole of the research, it is understandable that the entity would like to reap the benefits of investment. In such a case, adjustments could be made that the entity retains copyright for a fraction of period compared to "regular" period of copyright. It is the responsibility of the private entity to recoup the cost of investment within that fractional period. After that period the copyright will automatically change to creditright. ''I invented the term and believe that it is self-explanatory. ping me at <insert my username>@gmail DOT com if this term is discussed.''<br />
* As someone as already suggested, copyrights should be limited to a period of 20 years. In addition, I would also like to create the concept of creditright. The reproductions/replications must clearly credit the original creator as the author of the work. Creditright never expires. I observe that the practice has already existed for centuries but I would be happy to see a legislation. If something similar is already in effect, well, then the discussion is irrelevant.<br />
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For last two ideas, a lobby group needs to be created as already suggested.<br />
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Oh! I almost forgot to mention my username. It is jhshukla.<br />
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And as much as I love the intentions of may users here, please do not forget that discussion is about copyrighted works. It is not about patents. Businesses have invested money in research and it is understandable that they want to benefit from the investment. There is nothing creative in patents. Patents are for inventions and innovations. And they do expire after 20 years. As enlightened users of Wiki projects, please do some research using Wikipedia. It is there for you. And it is free.<br />
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- [[User:Jhshukla|Jhshukla]]<br />
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== Buy Textbooks to be used as "Seeds" for Wiki to grow ==<br />
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Divide the $100 million into 200 parts of $500,000 each.... then select the top 200 textbooks across fields of science (including mathematics). <br />
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For each field (e.g. Cellular Biochemistry), choose two books: an intro one, equivalent to that used to teach a freshman course in college, and an advanced one, equivalent to a graduate school text.<br />
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In some cases, it may not be possible to choose and buy the rights to "the best" or "best known" book in the field... that's ok.<br />
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The purpose of this plan would be to create the "seeds" for wikipedia to (a) absorb this information, and (b) provide the basis for future editors and authors to add to these pages once they were online. Within a relatively short period of time (perhaps 2-3 years), these new "wiki" editions of the books would become authoritative for their fields... and having an into and a graduate version allows for wiki authors to fill-in the gaps and cross-reference the two.<br />
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Plus, choosing only science topics ensures that a broad, but deep, range of books could be purchased. If this is successful, then perhaps another sponsor would step forward with another $100 million and the same could be repeated for history, etc.<br />
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:Academics and experts seem to often write texts for reputation purposes. Why not set up a project to draft star teams of authors to create new definitive texts for each field. If reputation is an important motivation, just make sure principal authors get credit for it (say, as editors).<br />
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::Point of clarification. From what I've seen, you generally do need principal authors, which should be credited as the authors. You often have contributors, which may write a chapter or a smaller section. An example of this would be Speech and Language Processing by Jurafsky and Martin. Andy Kehler from UCSD is listed as a contributor for having written chapter 18 (if I remember correctly). Often, these books are written out of a need for them. Either due to the field being young, or as a result of out-of-date text books where the original author is unable or unwilling to produce a new edition.<br />
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:No. Too short-term. Textbooks can become obsolete within 5 years. Besides, text books are available in public libraries. Or at least most undergraduates have access to them already.<br />
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== A baseline education effort ==<br />
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I'd like to suggest that the money be used to fund the creation of a method to take illiterate people in any language and get them to the point where they can USE the Wikimedia resources. Think of 'The Young Lady's Illustrated Primer' from the book 'The Diamond Age', it taught the protagonist how to read, how to ask questions, etc. A resource like that, whether it fed into Negroponte's $100 laptop effort or not, would be the rosetta stone for bringing progress to 3rd world countries. - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chairboy C<small>HAIRBOY]</small> ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chairboy ☎]) 23:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Arrange a license for Whitesmoke software==<br />
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Arrange a license to use [http://www.whitesmoke.com/ Whitesmoke Enrichment] and integrate it with the Mediawiki ''edit'' or ''preview'' function. This is one a hell of software ! which helps you write in a good English. I think this tool will be very useful especially for non native English speakers (and even native). It can also incidently serve as good translation complement when coupled with an automatic translation tool. Please note that I am no way affilated with this company, I have been contrbuting to Wikipedia for a long time ! see my edit history [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Khalid_hassani here] and [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Khalid_hassani here] --[[User:Khalid hassani|Khalid hassani]] 23:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Argument Against Buying Textbooks ==<br />
Writing a textbook requires a lot of expertise. You need to have a complete grasp of everything in the textbook, plus a lot of understanding of related materials to write something that is complete, informed and correct. It is something easily done by experts in a field, but not by people who only have a basic understanding.<br />
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For example, one of the math professors at my school (UC Berkeley) has written hundreds of pages of supplementary material for students that he gives out for free ([http://math.berkeley.edu/~gbergman/ link]). Among these is a 200+ supplementary companion to a graduate level analysis textbook. This material has been written by him over the years, and is freely given to his students -- for someone who is an expert in a field, this is a fairly easy (albeit time consuming) task to do. As more college students grow up under the influence of Wikipedia, accumulations of knowledge like this will be put up by experts in the field. The people who are the most qualified to write in these subject areas generally do not need public domain texts.<br />
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* I think this argument is against the basic principles of Wikipedia itself. A massively peer reviewed, open body of knowledge is superior to one produced by a few experts. A broad collection of texts from primary and secondary education (kindergarden through 12th grade and a bachelors degree in college in the US) would be invaluable to countries that simply cannot afford all those books for its students. And I see no reason why advanced post-secondary texts should not also be included to fuel higher education and advancement accross society in poor regions. This includes places in affluent countries like the US, too. Not every school district can afford texts on top of the basic necessities such as buildings and teachers. Not every university has an unlimited research budget for procurement of texts.<br />
**More than being an argument against the principles of Wikipedia, I believe it is an argument against itself. Writing a textbook either requires a lot of expertise from an individual or the collective expertise that generates the content in Wikipedia. The question is not what it takes to generate a good textbook, but its value to society when it is put in the public domain. If you claim that writing a book requires an expert and a publishing company who are later going to charge for copies of it, despite rare examples as your professor in UC Berkley, it is more of a reason to free textbooks from copyrights.<br />
**I am lolling at this. "A massively peer reviewed, open body of knowledge is superior to one produced by a few experts." You think college shelf textbooks fit that? Go read "Security+ Guide to Network Security Fundamentals, Second Edition," by Mark Ciampa, and tell me what you think. Especially about how current day systems (''Copyright on the book: 2005'') "store data next to code" and "buffer overflows alter the program instructions by overwriting them" (hint: not possible in modern systems, the code is write protected); or how "the private key is used to encrypt the message and the recipient uses his public key to read it" (not talking about digital signatures, but actual passing of secret messages). Don't buy existing textbooks written by one expert; get a few experts together so they review ''each other''.<br />
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===Wikibooks===<br />
Besides, we already have Wikibooks.<br />
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== Fund the production of new stuff ==<br />
Spend part of the $100 million buying masterpieces, which cannot be reproduced.<br />
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For technical material, rather than buying $100 million of non-free stuff spend the $100 million paying experts to<br />
produce up-to-date replacements, making the non-free stuff obsolete. [[User:John Dalton|John Dalton]] 23:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Depending on what you're thinking of buying/recreating, it should be cheaper to buy the existing non-free version if your threat to produce a free competitor is credible. -- [[User:Pde|Pde]] 04:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== handbooks ==<br />
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Handbooks are most important, some cost upwards of 500 dollars for some tables (and the tables are by and large very important for all the sciences.)<br />
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Handbooks of note:<br />
# CRC handbook (chemical resource handbook)<br />
# Some russian formula book it's about 1100 pages long, the most commonly used formulas in math/science/engineering... someone help me out with the name here.<br />
# Actuarial tables<br />
# Logarithmic tables (note that as these are depreciated in most of the first world they may mean nothing to many wiki users, but to some others they would be quite useful.)<br />
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These would be primarily used to certify values found on substances or formulas, and these values could then be LOCKED because the solubility of sucrose in pure water at 20 degrees celcius will not change readily.<br />
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Opening these books up to public domain would be the most important step forward as they could then be modified for a better use.<br />
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Barring that, please spend as much money possible on entry level science material, and primary literature(rights to use all of a journals articles perhaps?). Wikipedia is a ground up foundation, so start with easy to verify subjects and material.<br />
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:Handbook of Mathematics <br />
by I.N. Bronshtein, K.A. Semendyayev, G. Musiol, H. Muehlig, H. Mühlig <br />
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=== Why log tables? ===<br />
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Why buy something that is quick and easy to generate with a computer?<br />
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=== Why math formulae? ===<br />
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I don't think you can copyright math formulae either - certainly not the ones that you find in those big thick books. So just type them into Wikipedia yourself.<br />
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== Fund writing of textbooks and courseware ==<br />
Spend some of the amount on paying experts to write textbooks/courseware that will be licensed under OSS-type licenses. These should include both school- and university-level textbooks. More money can be spend on translation of the created textbooks/courseware into various languages.<br />
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Courses could be geared towards subjects that are clearly pragmatic (i.e., personal finance), or for which there is a widely-accepted proficiency test (i.e., GED in the US). Courses in fields that conventionally require a degree and/or licensing would be a much lower priority (i.e., medicine, law, engineering, etc). <br />
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Language instruction would be ideally suited. Professional instructors could be contracted for short-term projects to development multimedia language content, with the goal of preparing students for widely-accepted tests of language proficiency (i.e., TOEFL, JLPT, DELF, etc).<br />
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== Invest in automatic text translation research ==<br />
Would be nice if we had to possibility to translate articles on-the-fly.<br />
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== electronics schematics ==<br />
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i would like to see electronics schematics for various production electronics, not sure exactly how that would work because everyone and their mother makes electronics anymore... but it would be nice to have somewhere to go to find schematics for something im trying to repair<br />
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=== Classic Mathematics Textbooks ===<br />
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The textbooks<br />
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Principles of Mathematical Analysis, and<br />
Real and Complex Analysis<br />
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by Walter Rudin are considered the bibles of this type of mathematics. They are considered necessary reading by any serious student of mathematics. However, they are ridiculously expensive. Currently only form is a hardback book from I think McGraw-Hill costing (from Amazon) $150 US each. This is even more ridiculous when you consider that the edition that is being published dates from 1976 and hence there can be no excuse for costs associated with editorial work or what not.<br />
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== Copyright reform ==<br />
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I agree with the concept that the best way to use money like this would be not to buy individual copyrights, but rather to invest in copyright reform. If the Sonny Bono act hadn't been passed and we'd have been able to use any work up to 1930 today, that would do more good than any amount of buying copyrighted works could have done. (I'm not sure if even 100 million would be enough, though.)<br />
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Other than that, I would go with the idea of putting the money towards restoring and preserving old films. Old films have a physical deterioration problem which is a heck of a lot worse than for, say, old books. We don't even have enough resources to preserve all the public domain old films out there, let alone the copyrighted ones.<br />
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I also like the idea of putting the money towards researching orphan works. <br />
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Of course, none of those choices involves actually buying copyrights. If the only option is to literally purchase copyrights with the money, then you've specified a condition that the money is to be used very unwisely. If we have to choose between somewhat unwise ways to spend the money, and slightly more unwise ways of spending the money, I'm not even sure a meaningful answer could be given.<br />
[[User:Arromdee|Arromdee]] 00:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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I second this. American legislators are cheap, often bought for thousands, not millions. Creating a system by which all works pass into public domain after a reasonable amount of time would generate lasting impacts far into the future instead of a one-time cultural stimulus. [AP]<br />
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== Oxford English Dictionary (OED) ==<br />
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The information in OED would mesh very well wikipedia's content, and it's hard to imagine a wiki-generated etymology that would compare. OED is prohibitively expensive for many people.<br />
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I'd love to see [http://wiktionary.org/ wiktionary] seeded with OED entries.<br />
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== [[User:Kylu|Kylu]] ==<br />
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[http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/22/215238&from=rss Slashdot has linked to the Copyright Wishlist] and it might be a good idea to simply review the posts there instead of duplicating them here.<br />
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Personally I'm suggesting textbooks and perhaps a more up-to-date revision of a printed encyclopedia, then we can replace the 1911 Brittanica references, put all the textbooks on Wikibooks, and make it all available to the rest of the world. <b><i><font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu ([[User:Kylu|u]]|[[User talk:Kylu|t]]) </font></i></b> 00:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== [[User:EvlLrdDrewcifer|EvlLrdDrewcifer]] ==<br />
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spend the $100M on bandwidth. To "free" copywritten material all you have to do is provide a place to put it for a few hours out in the wild. People do the work of obtaining the material and redistributing it for free. Buy an island near a country that doesn't respect copywrite law. Better yet, launch a sat into space and host from space. <br />
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Last idea... create an ebay-style site for facilitating the buying and selling of copywritten information. Register it as www.blackmarketinformation.com. Pour the money into a protected market place and the work will all be done for you, and more efficiently than you would ever think to do it.<br />
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== Sports photo archive ==<br />
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New users on the English-language Wikipedia are forever adding '''sports photos''' to articles, from professional football, soccer, basketball, baseball, car racing. These photos are always copyrighted by Sports Illustrated or CNN or the AP, and GFDL photos of the players are never available. They all have to get marked for deletion. This is an indication that the users of Wikipedia want the photos pretty badly. There is no fair use argument that is legitimate. (Even bad-quality photos that a Wikipedian snaps of the form of "60-year-old ex-football player I saw at a convention" are absent, much less exciting in-game closeups of Barry Sanders dodging 3 linebackers simultaneously.) It would strongly improve Wikipedia's sports articles -- or, at least, users' initial impression of all the articles -- if we could acquire a sports photo library of a broad assortment of players. We don't need 50 photos of the same guy, just 1 great photo of each. It does seem crazy for an encyclopedia that has an article on Magic Johnson to lack a photo of him slamming one in. [[User:24.16.74.233|24.16.74.233]] 00:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Massachusetts Medical Society ==<br />
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The New England Journal of Medicine is a huge resource for practicing physicians. It's run by the Massachusetts Medical Society, a non-profit. How about giving them some of the money to fund moving NEJM to PLOS-style Open Access?<br />
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:I came here to recommend the NEJM too. The first place I would look for an authoritative, reliable answer to a medical question about a major disease, like leukemia or schizophrenia, is a review article in the NEJM. If you need information for a life-or-death decision, it *must* be peer-reviewed. <br />
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:The NEJM also has definitive articles answering major questions, like (in the issue before me), do DHEA and testosterone have any value as anti-aging drugs? Often, to answer a medical question from first-hand information, you *must* read the NEJM article; everything else is second-hand. <br />
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:The 4 major medical journals are NEJM, JAMA, Lancet and BMJ. Parts of those journals are made public immediately (e.g. NEJM Perspectives) immediately, other parts are made public after 6 months (NEJM reports, all of JAMA, etc.), but other important parts (NEJM review articles, editorials) are not. The editorials, for example, often give the weaknesses of the review articles. <br />
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:Other people have recommended Harrison's Internal Medicine. I'd second that too. <br />
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:Interestingly, drug companies have promotional services in which they pay the publishers to make Harrison's, NEJM, and other publications available free to doctors. So it might not cost all that much to make it available to the general public. [[User:Nbauman|Nbauman]]<br />
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== [[User:Lauren|Lauren]] ==<br />
The Merck Manual and Physicians Desk Reference.<br />
:The Merck Manual of course is available free (though not open source) on the Merck web site [http://www.merck.com][[User:Nbauman|Nbauman]] 03:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== J. St. Amand ==<br />
Buy the rights to formulas of some of the most in-demand, expensive prescription medications so that generic manufacturers can start mass-producing them on the cheap. So many sick people go without prescription meds because they can't afford them until the copyright wears off.<br />
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== Useful Things ==<br />
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user manuals <br />
installation diagrams and instructions<br />
recipes<br />
chemical mixtures<br />
repair manuals (chilton, oem for cars, motorcycles)<br />
sheet music and samples<br />
out-of-print books<br />
maps (high res images)<br />
art (high res images)<br />
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== spending priorities ==<br />
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I would use the cash for the following:<br />
OED (First edition for the most part in the public domain) Just to allocate the cash to scan and enter it appropriately.<br />
Map data. I would take the vmap-1 data, or use the money to free it, and use it as the basis for a global map project.<br />
Norton Critical editions. I would attempt to create books based on the format of the norton critical editions using supplementary material to increase the value of already PD books.<br />
Webmuseum. Make a wiki version of the webmuseum and free all the rights to the pictures<br />
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What about the DSM? It would be a great addition to the psychology sections.<br />
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== Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine ==<br />
== Something newer than Gray's Anatomy -- maybe Netter's? ==<br />
== The pathologic basis of disease ==<br />
== Knuth's books on CS ==<br />
Excellent idea! This is probably the one set of books in Comp.Sci. that most deserves being available to everyone. --[[User:JerryJvL|JerryJvL]] 02:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Money a bad thing? ==<br />
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The handbooks sound good. Maps. <br />
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I enjoy contributing to wikiversity and hope it will not be replaced with purchased textbooks. We ended up with a better encyclopedia, and may well end up with something better than textbooks. Keep hope alive!<br />
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Maybe better to not buy anything and keep the wiki projects pure voluntary work. Use the money to keep the servers running and connected forever.<br />
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== ScienceDirect ==<br />
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I would like to suggest purchasing ScienceDirect, a database which currently "owns" a quarter of all scientific journals. This would cost far more than a 100 million dollars but it would place scientific knowledge into the hands of the public that would previously have to be paid for. The cost of accessing scientific journals is increasing rapidly and libraries are having a hard time keeping up with the rising price. In most cases the studies published in these journals were funded with money from the U.S. government, it is paid for with taxpayer money. The results of the studies have to be purchased from corporations that make a profit off of what taxpayers fund. The purchase of ScienceDirect would help in efforts to keep knowledge free and open to everyone. The Public Library of Science (PLoS) has been trying to make "the world's scientific and medical literature a freely available public resource". The purchase of ScienceDirect would be an enormous step forward in making scientific and medical literature free to the public.<br />
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:not a good idea. Why purchase an old database why not create you own? Establish a peer-reviewd scientific publications system where you can publish!<br />
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== This opportunity may never come again- create an endowment for the long term ==<br />
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I'd reccomend using the money to create an endowment that would primarily fund the creation of new works. At 5% a year, that would be $5 million dollars a year that could fund authors, musicians, photographers, etc. to produce new content that Wikimedia (or some specially created organization) would own the copyright to. And that's the catch- because Wikimedia owns the copyright, it could lease exclusive sales rights to the new content to publishing companies for a limited time, say 5 years, and use the revenue recieved to either grow the endowment or fund the creation of even more works. In exchange for a delay of a couple years before the content is truly made free, you'd have a constantly growing source of funding for new content that's copyrighted for a sane amount of time, and you'd be providing a prominent example of alternative copyright regimes that the world as a whole should consider. <br />
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If licensing revenue on average paid for the creation costs of new works, and that money were plowed back into the creation of more works, the amount of revenue available to fund new works would double each year, from a starting value of $5 million. One compromise would be the need to at least partially target works that are commercially viable, such as music or documentaries, but that's just another way of saying that the foundation would have to target works that have popular demand, which is hardly a bad thing. And in return, you get a constantly growing body of new content distributed under free licenses (in exchange for being willing to wait a couple years before the work becomes free). In fact, the rate of growth itself accelerates, and hopefully, by releasing the works under a license that encourages the creation of derivative works that are also licensed freely, you encourage the creation of even more works through that mechanism as well. This scheme is thus "viral" in two ways.<br />
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I would definitely agree with this investment plan. Forgive the misqote, but, "interest is the most powerful force in the universe"; an investment body could purchase copyrights for years to come. With that said, I also advcate the purchase of the copyrights of textbooks, for use in the "seed" model proposed earlier. I've attempted to teach myself many things, basic electrical theory, Java, etc.; the lack of low level information that was oriented to a complete beginner was discouraging, and forced me to seek other sources of knowledge. The seed model releases essential information for beginners, and for experts (once the beginners get the ropes). Another thing that would be nice is a large sheet music archive; so much music is difficult to find, that is unless you belong to a conservatory or college of music. But, I can't emphasize enough the power of interest and investment. [[User:Dragoon235|Dragoon235]] 03:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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'''Seconded''' - I second this idea! Each year wikipedia could take applications from people for a grant to create new content. A bit like the google summer of code, except for new content. ~ Luke.<br />
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== [[W:user:Ravedave|Ravedave]] ==<br />
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* Audio and video content, and software to make them integrate better with wikipedia. Right now the content is pretty pitiful and running/creating it is a pain. <br />
* Is enabling the easier creation of free content as good as buying content? Arguably wiki software enabled wikipedia to become what it is, what could good A/V software do? <br />
*How much content from PBS and BBC could be purchased for $100M?<br />
* Finance creation of better SVG tools for creation of maps etc<br />
* A problem we have is getting good articles on topics people aren't very interested in, [[w:cone]] is a good example. The only way content is going to get created in these boring but useful areas is by paying people. <br />
* Finance the fulling of wikispecies to completeness. Finance pictures?<br />
* Buy WebMD and start a medical wiki.<br />
-[[W:user:Ravedave|Ravedave]]<br />
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== Public Textbooks for Mass Education ==<br />
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I personally believe that all of the world's problems are rooted in ignorance. Ignorance can be eroded by education. Therefore, education is powerful enough to act as the limiting step in evolution. Colleges have recognized that education is valuable and, as a result, prices have increased dramatically. Textbooks cost a hefty amount and tuition is entirely unreasonable (given that most professors simply guide students through a textbook). Textbook vendors are happy to meet the demand and release new editions for the sake of increasing revenue, even though few advances in knowledge are made in between releases. Together, these middle men (college administrators and textbook vendors) impede the progress of society by limiting access to knowledge through education. Thus, I think it makes sense to check their counterproductivity by releasing the most current, comprehensive academic material (textbooks) in a variety of fields into the realm of truly public information. And, after an effort has been made to organize it systematically, experts will be more willing to contribute cutting-edge information and maintain this current resource (just like the textbook seeder idea already contributed above). Then, the cost of a respectable erudition will be reduced to the cost of a computer and internet subscription. Career centers where people would like to join the workforce can expose these resources to interested individuals. Employed individuals will use the resource to update and/or keep up-to-date on recent developments. Private organizations may reward Wikipedia for cutting their training costs, increasing Wiki's turnaround to buy more material. And everyone that wants to change career paths will know that the only costs involved are time and patience. I also like the idea (already presented above) of dividing acquired material into a beginner section (for novices) and an intermediate section (for people in the field). This may be Wikipedia's chance to consolidate what's already been happening on thousands of blogs--discussion of contemporary issues in specialized fields.<br />
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Rebuttal against all above specialized requests: Many interests in detailed information are exclusive to a small number of people. If resources are directed to satisfying specific needs, the scope of the project becomes severely limited and all efforts, ultimately, useless. Textbooks offer a sufficiently broad collection of information to be the public springboard in our societal swimming pool. Everyone will benefit from the venture in some way and its utilitarian nature will adequately represent the Wikipedia community. That's my two cents. VIVA WIKIPEDIA!!!<br />
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== [[User:Barash|Barash]] ==<br />
Two primary ideas. The type of information I am always annoyed when it is not free is "how to books" information. I feel that everyone has the right to all of human knowledge, especially in practical matters. This wouldn't help wikipedia because how-to information is not allowed there, but one of the related projects which does allow how-to information would benefit greatly. Purchasing the rights to how-to books on cooking, self-defense, relationships, crafts, woodworking, and so on would be a great launching point for a wiki that could build upon the methods and improve them.<br />
The second idea is to get a competent musical orchestra, band, synthesizer arranger, etc., to perform notable works that the scores are out of copyright. The modern recorded performances of out-of copyright music are still under copyright, so nobody can hear Beethoven, the Pirates of Penzance, etc., freely, even though the scores belong to everyone. The millions could hire someone to perform the works and release them either to public domain or under a license that works for wiki. (Or, if more practical, the rights to existing recordings of the classic works could be purchased.)<br />
[[User:Barash|Barash]] [[User:Barash|Barash]] 03:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== The Pacesetter English Curriculum ==<br />
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Pacesetter English was/is a 12th grade English curriculum developed in the late 90's by The College Board as an alternative to the AP curriculum. It represented a large amount of R&D by leading academics and English teachers, incorporating contemporary literary theory in to a curriculum which addresses multimedia production and consumption as well as literature. However, it ultimately didn't fit The College Board's business model, apparently, since it didn't culminate in a specific standardized test, and once NCLB kicked in and AP's stature as the gold standard of rigorous high school curriculum went through the roof, Pacesetter English quickly became abandonware, and it is not commercially available today.<br />
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There is also a Pacesetter Math curriculum which I think shares the same fate, but I don't know anything about it.<br />
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== Don't buy, indemnify ==<br />
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Set up a fund to indemnify people who reproduce and distribute works whose copyright holders cannot be identified. The fund would only have to pay out in case people are are sued, which would probably be rare. Furthermore, the fund would have an interest in defending against abusive suits, which would tend to create a healthier atmosphere. <br />
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Right now copyright law has a chilling effect on anyone who cannot afford large legal bills (and maybe damages), so huge numbers of works are unavailable simply because their copyright status cannot be determined. <br />
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Relatedly, this fund could support efforts to identify copyright holders, and gain releases from them.<br />
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== Films, Drugs, and DNA ==<br />
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I would recommend purchasing the rights to some still copyrighted films in the National Film Archive. I also like the idea of buying the patents/copyrights on important drugs, genomes, treatments, etc. --[[User:Neo3DGfx|Neo3DGfx]] 03:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== Arthouse films! ===<br />
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: $100 million doesn't go very far when it comes to important drugs. Besides, the patents aren't all that long, at least not compared to copyrights. See the Gates foundation for details. I wonder how much great arthouse cinema you could buy for $100 million. Or whether it would be cheaper, as others have suggested, to purchase changes to copyright laws that liberate those works.<br />
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== Some thoughts. ==<br />
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I have a few suggestions - the first one is really easy. Make wikipedia easier for elderly people and people with age related disabilities to partake in. Think of all the knowledge that the elderly contain 'because they were there' that they cant share because of an obfusticated geek designed interface prevents them.<br />
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Second one is that if there are six human senses (taste, sight, touch, hearing, smell and emotion), why not work on developing an interface that allows some or all of those senses to be used (someone posted an idea on recording the musical greats which would be a start). Plain old black and white text was a marvel in gutenbergs time, but I suspect its not all that great for imparting knowledge. There are even pictures on the wiki that are plain and boring - convey no emotion or anything.<br />
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Thirdly, once you've figured out how to do that, why cant I see the information located on the globe (like the one that google earth uses). I want to zoom around the planet, click on a location, zoom in to the local park bench and see all the information related to that place (over time) - kind of like tagging grafiti.<br />
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I want to be able to tag locations with grafiti too - so I can contribute to my local neighbourhoods historical knowledge base. Make it so that each knowledge or social category tags a different virtual reality. So if I put my globe in the history reality - only historical information is shown. If its in the technical reality, then techy info. If its in the social networking reality, then I want to see the tags my friends left for me (and/or others).<br />
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Then, transpose that information so I can use my GPS device in my phone/pda so that the information is around me while I walk down the street in my local neighbourhood (History channel does an advert 'know where you stand' that shows someone on a beach in Normandy with the ghosts of soldiers running past).<br />
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All that technology is there now, so dont see why it isnt already being done. There is no point in storing lots of information if you are not intending to use it. Why not stick it out on the planet and let people interact with it daily if they want.<br />
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I think that starting a location without copyrights is the only real solution.<br />
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What you do is us 50 million to buy up old sea worthy vessels and put servers on them in international waters. Anchor them far from pirated shipping lanes. Then use the other half for buying off legistlatures for the next 20 years. By then people will be addicted and/or rely on it enough to need it more than their Fascist governments.<br />
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== Buy land to establish a state with no copyright==<br />
And he saw that the land was good.<br />
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The only problem with this is that, other than the logistics of finding a large enough plot, convincing everyone to move there, setting up infrastructure, etc, just to be copyright free, and then be able to transfer all the copyrighted stuff to be copied and distributed, considering that the country would most likely be embargoed by the us, how would the country defend itself? A country this small would have such great military defense that the RIAA itself could afford a militia to just take over it<br />
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== Is anyone actually reading the question? ==<br />
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The question was not "what should wikimedia do with a $100M windfall" but "Imagine there existed a budget of $100 million to purchase copyrights to be made available under a free license. What would you like to see purchased and released under a free license?"<br />
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I'm with those who would buy out scientific articles and bankrupt Elsevier et al. Another good thing would be to clear the copyrights for all masters/doctoral theses and make them easily available to the masses.<br />
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== Open Education==<br />
The concept of textbooks is too abstract. For 100 million you should sponsor an open source education. This software/data would be made available to anyone including the millions of laptops being developed for OLPC. All those laptops need quality software that will inform and educate future generations. <br />
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Don't buy copyrights to old textbooks that have boring ways to teach math and science. With multi-media, great writers and animators you could teach math, science, biology and history in a much more interactive, compeling and rich way then has ever been possible before. If we can educate the world the rest will follow.<br />
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== Open Sourced Hardware ==<br />
Purchase engineering firms and/or their designs & release under an open license. I imagine the open hardware movement would be invigorated much as the OSS movement was invigorated by Netscape releasing Mozilla code, or any of the other many Closed->Open Source success stories.<br />
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== MSDN ==<br />
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The MSDN library on Wikipedia would be very useful<br />
::I cant agree because its already accessible for free--[[User:80.221.27.231|80.221.27.231]] 06:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== A Well-Fed Populace is a Populace that is More Willing and Able to Learn and by Extension More Able to Lobby for Copyright Reform ==<br />
FACT: many in the world are starving, hungry, under-nourished or malnourished.<br />
FACT: people are more willing and able to learn, a higher-order need, when they have fulfilled their lower-order needs, such as hunger<br />
FACT: 100 million dollars would buy AT LEAST 100 million tacos (Taco Bell/soft taco/Oct 2006 menu prices[U.S.]); given economic analysis of bulk purchases and developments, it is REASONABLE to assume that 100 million dollars MAY VERY WELL buy many more tacos than even 100 million; 200, even 300 million tacos IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION.<br />
FACT: people LOVE tacos<br />
FACT: 300 million people that have just recieved a taco, GRATIS, would be much more willing and ABLE to march the streets of WASHINGTON demanding the ABOLISHMENT of COPYRIGHT on books.<br />
FACT: there is an old chinese proverb: 'teach a man to fish, and he will eat fish. therefore we must FEED THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA TACOS UNTIL OUR LEADERS make copyright A THING OF the PAST.' and it is with this wise proverb that I rest my case.<br />
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== Newspapers ==<br />
I agree with many of the comments about purchasing/gathering newspaper archives. Factiva and Lexis-Nexis go a long way in providing this information, for a price. By having this information open and free in wikipedia, other users can translate, fill in any missing gaps, or provide context to other wikipedia articles.<br />
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Best of all, Wikipedia would have a database of highly trusted sources that could be cited in the wikipedia articles. Several times I have seen the hyperlinks expire for existing sources. Having newspaper archives in wikipedia would go a long way in solving this problem.<br />
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I'm sure there are other good ideas for this information.<br />
::I am not sure about the world wide situation of this but at least Finnish main library archives all finnish and major other newspapers for open access.--[[User:80.221.27.231|80.221.27.231]] 06:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Voting Machine software ==<br />
Diebold and the rest of them: Purchase the companies and open-source the software.<br />
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== Codecs ==<br />
mp3, video codecs, etc.<br />
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Why bother with inferior codecs that put to waste the talents of artists. FLAC is already free and superior, as well as many other codecs.<br />
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== Happy Birthday Song ==<br />
The song "Happy Birthday to you..." is still under active copywrite which is why you will never hear it on TV, Radio, etc. If there is any cash spare this would be a good one to purchase.<br />
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== The genome for genetically modified plants ==<br />
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I'm told that farmers have to purchase every year seeds for crops because the seeds are trapped under copyright...<br />
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== Building codes/copyrighted law ==<br />
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In many areas of the United States and probably elsewhere in the world, some portions of the law (particularly building codes) reference copyrighted material which is not readily available to the average home handyman. This has the net effect of making many kinds of self-performed home improvement illegal since there is no way for those of us who wish to do such work to know what the legal requirements are.<br />
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While there's no reason these should have ever been allowed to be closed in the first place, opening them up again is something I believe many people would appreciate.<br />
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Maybe the top so many textbooks in major college courses. that way, you get students not to spend as much and they might contriubute back. [[User:129.98.122.211|129.98.122.211]] 05:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)poor college student<br />
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==Free academic journal access for the public==<br />
Make most or influential academic papers open to the public, i.e., current papers in science, social sciences, and humanities.<br />
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== Attract more interest and... ==<br />
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Buy LexisNexus. <br />
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I'm amazed at this point that Google has not approached LexisNexus and purchased them. But, there is a massive wealth of information there. Just WestLaw, which I believe is owned by LexisNexus now is a massive collection of Law materials. <br />
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So, take that $100 million, and use it to attract other capitol and then purchase LexisNexus and open up it's huge database. Given what they charge for access to the system, it would probably take upwards of 10x the initial amount to purchase their system, but getting that type of capitol from subscribers would be extremely easy if you promised them cheap/free access in the future. <br />
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Other than that, purchasing satelite imagery, or world street level maps (is it insane that a CD of US Street level maps from Garmin is over $100?). <br />
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Or, start a legal, public, abandon ware system. Hire an individual to contact software companies and purchase the source for abandoned software, then open it up. Eudora worked out in the long run, seemingly. But, what about other software that just rots away in the basement of MS, Symantec, or Sierra? <br />
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Lastly, and perhaps one of the most useful: a public, open, free typography library. Something that can be used in education that is comparible to Adobe Type Set. <br />
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Good luck!<br />
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:: I second the law material purchase, great idea - [[w:User:Ravedave]]<br />
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== Lets not waste the cash on stuff that's hip == <br />
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- I'll be frank here, there is really no need to waste money on some of the overpriced media and mickey mouse stuff .. really a lot of the stuff people are asking for are already available in some form on the net for free viewing. We can assume if they can access wikimedia they can access the net. What we need are comprehensive modern texts in the major fields that will be of maximum jumpstart use to those who need the most assistance. If copyright holders dont wish to release the copyrights to top selling books, we can offer cash to individuals/authors to devclop a textbook from scratch (i reckon we'll find the top selling books will be high school/college level so authors wont be that hard to find). I reckon the following: $5 million budget for modern up to date textbooks on mathematics from the kindergarten level to a level needed to get a Bachelor's degree in Mathematics. So then other fields as well: $20 Mil for Physics. Chemistry, Biology, Microbiology, computational biology (bioinformatics). Another $10 mil for medicine, pharmaceutical knowledge. Also, we need to spend $15 mil on agriculture techniques, urban planning. And of course we need to get the latest texts in civil engineering, mechanical engineering, communications, electrical and computer engineering: $25 mil. Then of course we also need texts of economics, public speaking, project management, computer graphics, computer game making, computer security (let's only spend $10 mil on these total). My grand total? $85 mil. *gulp* I really hope I overestimated the amount of money needed for these. Maybe it will only cost a fifth of the total. But I really would like to see this stuff made available. Cant we just pay the respective experts/NOBEL LAUREATES in each field $1 million each to write us a text book? That would drop my total to a mere $20 million. One other thing .. we should make sure we are getting the latest of whatever fields (unless it can easily be updated).<br />
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:Commissioning textbooks seems like a good way to do it. It should be cheaper than buying copyrights from a publishing house, and may be more tightly targeted to whatever is seem to be the 'market.' If these textbooks were wikified, it seems that there would have to be a slightly different editing procedure, with, perhaps, greater expert oversight. Not in line with the principles of wikimedia, perhaps, but editing content that is already at a very high level is different from creating content from scratch. [[User:Samgra|Samgra]]<br />
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== Why not use the money to buy a small island nation, base Wikipedia there, and reject the notion of copyright entirely? No intellectual property laws, no problems. ==<br />
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1. Legal Classics &mdash; Classic Textbooks<br />
With Latin characters intact and hyperlinks for content, table of cases, index, interlinked sections and footnotes(though Project Gutenberg has some great legal classics, plain vanilla text makes it impossible to read.)<br />
In real world, many legal classics are very hard to get and the available ones are usually very expensive(maybe because market is lesser) and even though many(/most of) books are in public domain now, cheaper reprints are very rare(at least very hard to get in Asia, Africa and Australian continents!)<br />
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2. Classics in Criminology, Sociology (like Edwin H. Sutherland' on Criminology, which introduced the concept of White Collar Crime)<br />
There is hardly any access to quality books on Social Sciences for a student/enthusiast from a small town(other than in USA and some parts of Europe and Australia, where you have a public library network that works).<br />
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3. Sponsor digitisation of literature(in public domain) in Indian and other South Asian Languages(get the books scanned, transcription can be done/managed by the community, which is already active in maintaining Wikipedia in their respective languages.)<br />
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::The idea of forming a nation has been discussed before on this page. Problem would be to found the infstrastructure of that nation. Also defending the country against US's "liberation" operations would be impossible.<br />
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== ravi's Wishlist ==<br />
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1. Legal Classics &mdash; Classic Textbooks<br />
With Latin characters intact and hyperlinks for content page, table of cases, index, interlinked sections and footnotes(though Project Gutenberg has some great legal classics, plain vanilla text makes it impossible to read.)<br />
In real world, many legal classics are very hard to get and the available ones are usually very expensive(maybe because the market is less) and even though many(/most of) books are in public domain now, cheaper reprints are very rare(at least very hard to get in Asia, Africa and Australian continents!)<br />
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2. Classics in Criminology, Sociology (like Edwin H. Sutherland' on Criminology, which introduced the concept of White Collar Crime)<br />
There is hardly any access to quality books on Social Sciences for a student/enthusiast from a small town(other than in USA and some parts of Europe and Australia, where you have a public library network that works).<br />
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3. Sponsor digitisation of literature(in public domain) in Indian and other South Asian Languages(get the books scanned, transcription can be done/managed by the community, which is already active in maintaining Wikipedia in their respective languages.)<br />
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== [http://www.arkive.org/ Arkive] ==<br />
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* There are many wildlife movies here. These movies would make excellent additions to the articles about animals. I doubt that the Wikipedia community could ever create such movies themselves (in a reasonable span of time). [[User:85.147.58.212|85.147.58.212]] 05:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Servers / storage / bandwith / gps receivers for OpenStreetMap.org ==<br />
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The OpenStreetMap project would need more of the above to reach sensible speeds in rendering updates and map viewing, so as to be on par with google maps.<br />
Also, we'd need gps receivers so as to be able to lend them out to interested people at mapping parties all around the world.<br />
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== Openlocalhistory? Openlocal geography? ==<br />
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I think using the money to devlop a wiki so that people who have historical knowledge of local area's can add their knowedge to the wiki, also perhaps a system for adding photographys of your local town/city /enviroment and allowing annotation would be good, would also allow for intergration to a openlocalhistory system.<br />
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As for purchasing core works i beleive this to be a very good idea, not much has changed in computing fundamentals and there are alot of other areas where this approach would be usefull.<br />
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Also purchasing the rights to the human genome and updating any information found about the specific function of genes would be very usefull .<br />
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== Music, poetry and the Beeb ==<br />
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I would go for the archives and countries of the world and try to get as much as music as possible, which has predated the 20th century. Be this world music, "folk music" or classical music. It would contain the music, the scores to the music and the possible lyrics to the songs.<br />
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Other nice thing would be to get as much poetry as possible to the open. Poetry is rather short and light stuff, local deals could be done in all the wikipedia countries as poetry is global. Then after that, projects to translate the texts would start. <br />
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And finally, buy the BBC. :)<br />
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== Maps ==<br />
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Maps of the world would be nice.<br />
::I agree that we need some good high res maps/satellite images - i am sure we can get these for reasonable price. But also putting effort in finding the cheapest offer and being able to decide what maps/satellite images to buy would be very hard task. --[[User:80.221.27.231|80.221.27.231]] 06:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Entire taxons ==<br />
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Buy up the scientific pieces for identification of new species, for each species (including publications with taxon or identification keys). Then use the rest of the money to take pictures or obtain pictures of each species. That way every biologist on the planet could theoretically identify every species they have. -[[:en:User:Kugamazog|Kugamazog]]<br />
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== Scientific whitepapers ==<br />
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There are thousands of useful and quality scientific whitepapers hidden behind subscription website/magazines.<br />
Buy copyright for these subscriptions. Make them available to the world. <br />
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Here's one particular target: http://www.acm.org/<br />
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== OOP ==<br />
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There are many things that are in print that cost a fortune, but even worse is that there are recordings and manuscripts and books that are out of print but still copywritten. In a digital age where it would cost little to nothing to bring these works back from the vault, many are left to die. Out of print material is at the greatest risk of being lost--recordings, sheet music, books, etc. Try to find a recording of Berio's "Cries of London"! It should be against the law to retain copyright on something when it's been gone for too long!<br />
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== Abandonware games, Da Vinci or Music? ==<br />
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Lets buy abandonware game titles and create a WikiOSS... And on further reflection why limit i to just games, any other applications could be good as well... Okay, I recognise that this might not be the best way of spending the cash... Maybe digitized versions of Da Vinci's works would be good... Or perhaps create a reposatory of musical works (WikiMuse anybody?), think Bach, Mozart and Beethoven... And what about recordings that are in the public domain? --[[User:K33l0r|K33l0r]] 07:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== en:ciphergoth - Photographs and maps ==<br />
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I'm surprised that people want to buy textbooks. We have many textbook-quality articles already, and the number grows all the time. That's material we don't need to license, because we can create it ourselves. What we need is the material that we cannot create, that can only be licensed. Photographs fall into that category, as does some map data. Let's buy a huge chunk of [[en:Corbis]]. - ciphergoth [[User:82.70.194.38|82.70.194.38]] 07:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Classical music ==<br />
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There's a bunch of "classical music" works that are actually copyrighted by the composer. Average citizen probably defines classical music in two ways: "that violin-torturin' art music that was composed by some old, now decomposing, composer" ''and'' "probably out of copyright by now". But surprising amount of what passes these days as "classical music" was actially done in the 20th century. A lot of what I ''wish'' were included in [http://www.mutopiaproject.org/ Mutopia] cannot be added there, on the grounds that the original composition is still copyrighted.<br />
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You think the case of ''[[#Happy Birthday Song|Happy Birthday To You]]'' is pathetic and iconic to copyright shackledom? How about the fact that [[:en:Jean Sibelius|Sibelius]]' music is really dear and important to Finns, and is still copyrighted? (Yeah, the guy was deep in debt when he died, but I suppose those have been paid, many times over.) Luckily [[:en:Fredrik Pacius|Pacius]] died a bit earlier... --[[User:Wwwwolf|Wwwwolf]] 07:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Copyright_wishlist/Archive_1&diff=455836Talk:Copyright wishlist/Archive 12006-10-23T07:20:43Z<p>Wwwwolf: Classical music</p>
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== See also ==<br />
* On wikipedia-l:<br />
** http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28374/focus=28374<br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28413/focus=28413</small> <ref>Some replies aren't displayed in the main thread. URLs in small fonts links to these messages.</ref><br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28404/focus=28404</small><br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28385/focus=28385</small><br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28533/focus=28533</small><br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28547/focus=28547</small><br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/28569/focus=28569</small><br />
* On commons-l<br />
** http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.commons/726/focus=726<br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.commons/761/focus=761</small><br />
* On wikisource-l<br />
** http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikisource/46/focus=46 <br />
** <small>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.wikisource/44/focus=44</small><br />
* On foundation-l<br />
** http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/11237/focus=11237<br />
* On Russian Wikipedia<br />
** [[w:ru:Википедия:Источники информации/Что мы хотим видеть в открытом доступе]]<br />
* On Slashdot<br />
** [http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/22/215238 The Thread is here], there are some nice ideas too !<br />
* On Metafilter<br />
** [http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/55738 "Dream Big."]<br />
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==Suggestions==<br />
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===[[User:Noclip|Noclip]]: Technology standards===<br />
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Buy out things like MPEG-4 and PDF, turn them into open standards.<br />
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===[[User:jwblase]]: Hardware version of the Wikipedia...===<br />
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Developing a wireless hardware version of the Wikipedia (ala HitchHiker's Guide) would let people access the Wiki without having to have access to a laptop computer. I would love to be able to pull a paperback-sized piece out of my briefcase to check/edit the wiki. No, I'm not talking about a WinCE machine or Palm machine... but something dedicated to the Wiki.<br />
::Why not just write new OS for existing systems. Also modifying them in away that would make them dedicated. Good possible platforms could include 80x68 tablets, Nokia 770, SmartPhones.<br />
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===[[User:brewster]]: digitize the Library of Congress Public domain works ===<br />
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It would cost about that much, and it would keep it open for all. There are those that would like to put the digital forms of LC's PD works under perpetual restrictions.<br />
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===[[User:Rojabuck]]: Complete set of DaVinci's notes, scanned of course ===<br />
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This would provide a detailed insight into the work of one of the worlds finest minds and make accessable some of the most beautiful and accurate diagrams ever drawn.<br />
:These works are in Public Domain. DaVinci died in 1519. [[User:555|555]] 05:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[User:FCsaszar|FCsaszar]]: Buy Web of Science, JSTOR, and a create a system to annotate them===<br />
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[[:en:JSTOR]] has back issues of several hundred well known journals, dating back to 1665. The bulk of scientific knowledge is in there. [[:en:Web of Science]] is an index of basically every scientific paper that has ever been published. I belive the puting these resources in the public domain would accelerate the creation of scientific knowledge. Imagine the millions of intelligent people that today can't access these sources because they are expensive. Also, making scientific knowledge available for public scrutiny would make scientists more accountable for their work. Note that this is the big promise of the Internet: to create Vannevar Bush's Memex, a system to annotate and cross reference all knowledge. This would even be better: a collaborative Memex.<br />
::I agree that releasing the contents of scientific journals would be an excellent use of this money however Web of Science, JSTOR etc. are generally not the copyright owners. Some possible ways to spend the money:<br />
::*Pay the publishers to release content under the GFDL<br />
::*Tackle the problem of generally taxpayer funded research ending up inaccessible to all but those at rich institutions by putting some of the money aside to pay for current research to be published in open journals - spending some on the current/future research output rather than the past. <br />
::*Make a major gesture - buying and releasing the rights to a flagship journal (eg. Nature, Science) for a decade or so. As well as having a direct affect - this would increase awarenes of open publishing and help solve the problem into the future.<br />
::*Couple any spending on rights with lobbying Universities, Research Councils, Governments etc. explaining the problem.<br />
::As FCsaszar suggests, making the scientific literature free is about more than just access (Though access is a big and real problem); when the content itsself is free there are endless possibilities for improved annotation, cross referencing, quality assessment along with more open access to routes to "publication" / promotion (Improving peer review). There could be an knock on effect on all aspects of the way science is conducted the distribution of grant funding as if science publiction became merit based, funding and academic appointments would find it difficult not to follow. <br />
::[[User:Richard Taylor|Richard Taylor]] 01:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::I believe JSTOR doesn't own any relevant rights to the works in their collection; they just have licenses from a stack of publishers. The Web of Science is owned by [[:en:The Thompson Corporation]], which is not generally known for its friendliness to the public domain. I wonder if they'd sell for a reasonable price. But maybe Google Print/Google Books would sell enough data from scanned journals (especially the abstracts and citations) to create a public domain competitor. -- [[User:Pde|Pde]] 04:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::I think releasing those journals would be great too. [[User:Philosophistry|Philosophistry]] 06:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[User:FCsaszar|FCsaszar]]: Build the equivalent of MIT's OpenCourseWare for K-12===<br />
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Create a basic hierarchy of topics and courses, create basic templates for typical courses, and allow teachers (and students, and everyone) from all over the world to upload their content. I imagine people sharing their slides, videos, quizzes, experiments, teaching tips, etc... This could potentially benefit billions of children.<br />
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:I agree this would be useful, however the continual advancement of knowledge and our relative lack of understanding about how to create good online teaching programs means that this kind of purchase would have a short shelf life. Many comments are focusing on archives simply because they are set in stone, if you will, and thus once freed never need to be touched again.<br />
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===[[User:FrancisTyers]]===<br />
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# [http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1206/p12s2-stin.html Abamedia: Russian Archives Online]. &mdash; contains a hell of a lot of stuff that can't be reproduced &mdash; photographs, films, sounds etc. Much of the stuff would be in the public domain (e.g. newsreels from the 1920s.) <br />
# Stuff formerly licensed as <nowiki>{{PD-Soviet}}</nowiki>. Some of the stuff that has been deleted should be able to be bought for a reasonable price... if the original author can be found. (I have an off-Wikipedia archive of around 3,000 of the former PD-Soviet images). - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 16:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
#: I think [[:en:ITAR-TASS]] agency is major copyright holder of Soviet photos.<br />
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# Another thing, it might be worth spending some of the money to get professional legal opinions/judgements on the copyright and historical copyright status of countries and items that are questionable. For example, who owns the rights to works published in X by Y at Z time. (I'm still thinking about PD-Soviet stuff here -- or stuff published during the Spanish Civil War. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 12:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===Frederick "FN" Noronha===<br />
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# Government-funded software.<br />
# Archives.<br />
# All UN-related publications.<br />
# Photographs of archival value.<br />
# Textbooks.<br />
# Out-of-print books.<br />
# Documentary film and sharable footage.<br />
# Music created by non-corporate artistes.<br />
# Recordings of state-funded radio stations.<br />
# Newspapers' content (which are over 24 hours old, in case of dailies)<br />
# Local language computing solutions<br />
# Translations tools across languages.<br />
# Archives of content of all websites prior to 2005.<br />
# Government records and files over five years old.<br />
# Old musical recordings on wax cylinders and especially porcelain, depicting the development of modern music around the world. Like films, these would have to be remastered, at a considerable costs.<br />
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===[[User:WarX|WarX]] ===<br />
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# Schemes (from designers of them) of machines throught all ages (especially 16th-21st century):<br />
#* ships<br />
#* steam engines<br />
#* warmachines<br />
#* fuel and electric engines<br />
#* full factorys/power plants/etc.<br />
#* cars<br />
#* locomotives (train engines)<br />
#* planes<br />
#* space ships<br />
#* etc.<br />
#* Especially vector versions would be very nice (or scans precise enought to construct all of those machines and vectorise the plans itself) --[[User:WarX|WarX]] 17:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:great idea. support! --[[User:Jacopo86|Jacopo86]] 08:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Support from me as well. Add [[:w:microprocessor]] schematics to that list as well. [[User:Shd|Shd]] 23:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Though I have no idea where these things may be obtained however such information would be most interesting, especially machines from the industrial revolution. I note however that they are more a matter of locating the schemes as at this point, most are already public domain.[[User:Idyll M|Idyll M]] 00:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===Erik Zachte===<br />
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* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code2000 Code2000]<br />
:Why reward non-community efforts when their is a community effort which also has latin type support which would make the font acceptable as the default face for the majority of the internet using world? See [http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/ DejaVu]. --[[User:Gmaxwell|Gmaxwell]] 00:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[User:Danny|Danny]]===<br />
Three things from me:<br />
# Power scanners to help absorb materials, including scanners with page-turning capacity that do not destroy old books.<br />
# Invest in the restoration of old films, mainly on celluloid, which would then be entered into the public domain, rather than controlled by the people who first manufactured them. These films, which are disintegrating day after day, are part of our cultural heritage, and include works by Chaplin, Theda Bara, Buster Keaton, etc. (for Americans) as well as the great European masters (Vigo, Eisenstadt, Lumiere Brothers, etc., for the Europeans. Old newsreels are an important historical document of key events such as World War I, the Russian Revolution, etc.<br />
# Old musical recordings on wax cylinders and especially porcelain, depicting the development of modern music around the world. Like films, these would have to be remastered, at a considerable costs. [[User:Danny|Danny]] 16:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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* These are great - I especially like the idea of buying a fleet of power scanners. Instead of just buying a fish ("a single copyrighted item") we could have a fishing pole instead ("a public domain digitizing machine"). --[[User:Jeresig|Jeresig]] 05:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::But there would still be the problem that even that you could scan (catch the fish) you could not share the fish because it would violate copyrights.<br />
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=== [[User:Bogdan|Bogdan]] ===<br />
There are a few types of photos for which a free equivalent is very hard to find:<br />
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# photos of 20th century presidents and other incumbents of various countries.<br />
# plants and animals in isolated places. Anyone can take photos of the plants which grow in the backyard or the nearest forest, but the greatest diversity of species in our world is found in places like Amazonia and Indonesia. A collection of identified plants would be of great value.<br />
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But also, it would be great to try to obtain Public Domain works:<br />
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Wikimedia could try to collaborate with various governments for the digitalization and preservation of public domain works and archives. The governments of many countries have extensive archives of old photographs, engravings or even paintings, which would be of great encyclopedical values for our history and biography articles.<br />
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Also, Wikisource and Project Gutenberg could try to collaborate with various libraries, also for the scanning and OCRing old books and periodicals.<br />
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=== [[User:555|555]] ===<br />
Copyright property of translations of classical texts that don't have yet a public domain/free use version, copyright property of best selling books to allow development of paralel universes and fan-fictions to everyone, copyright property for a high quality dictionary (monolingual/bilingual) and copyright property of Scansoft OminiPage to release it under GPL and port do Unix/Linux OS may be a good start point =D [[User:555|555]] 17:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Lincher|Lincher]] / [[:en:User:Lincher|on english]] ===<br />
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* Earth imagery to create nice images to go with articles.<br />
* University theses, if not copy-lefted, at least, available to everyone.<br />
* Pictures of artefacts that come from museums, galleries (even hidden ones like the Louvre), libraries and more.<br />
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=== [[User:Nichtich|Jakob Voss]] ===<br />
* You can invest the money in <br />
** promoting the idea of free knowledge and open content in general. We don't even have a simple open-content-for-dummies handout - the community fails on creating enough qualitative promoting material about our own projects.<br />
** promoting to cut down the today-70-years-tomorrow-even-longer copyright regime - it only helps big company copyright holders while its of no use for authors and hinders preservation of works where the copyright holder is unknown. A timespan of 20 years after publication should be enough for a monopoly.<br />
*** I agree with the idea. But copyright is for creative works and to promote creativity. Patents are for monopolies and they do have 20 years lifespan. It is a sad issue that xxAA are abusing copyright to drive their businesses instead of funding schools of art/music/etc. If they really respect the intent of copyright law, they should be promoting creativity. Shouldn't they? What I would like instead is a law that '''automatically''' converts copyright to creditright (yay! i invented a term. can I copyright it? just kidding.) after a period of 20 years. well, the length of the period can be debated upon but you get the idea. (I also made minor typo edits under this sub-section) - [[User:Jhshukla|Jhshukla]]<br />
** Freeing knowledge organization. License the Dewey Decimal Classification and other classification and thesauri.<br />
** Free fonts that cover all of Unicode (already mentioned)<br />
** Drawn illustrations and instructions for Wikibooks that are usable by non-english-speaking-geeks too (how do make fire, how to produce electricity, how to clean your water, how to learn to read...)<br />
** Methods that let the people free themselves :-)<br />
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===[[User:Dschwen|Daniel Schwen]]===<br />
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'''Geodata'''. Data to generate free maps (or a Wikiatlas, or better maps for [[:en:User:Dschwen/WikiMiniAtlas|the WikiMiniAtlas extension]]), country borders (up to date and high res). Major rivers, cites and roads ''worldwide''. The US is a model country in this respect, but for the rest of the world mos governments sell the data acquired by geographical surveys funded with tax-money to companies like TeleAtlas.<br />
* I agree! Basemaps + 1 meter satelite imagery of the world. --Amos<br />
* Also agree; being in Australia is a pain when it comes to availability of map data... always seemed unfair this information cost a fortune when it was already collected with tax money in the first place. --[[User:JerryJvL|JerryJvL]] 02:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
* One more vote for this idea. This is is better than satellite imagery which tends to change every few years and doesn't have as much practical use.<br />
* Another vote. This would be invaluable in so many respects. --[[User:Jeresig|Jeresig]] 05:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[:it:User:Bramfab|Bramfab]]===<br />
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The collections of the most relevant newspapers of the world (at least one per each language of wikipedia)<br />
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=== [[User:Paginazero|Paginazero]] ===<br />
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I have no direct references to mention, but I'd invest such a budget in world history and collective memory. Newspapers can be fine, but also the public governative archives of the nations of the world and of sovranational organizations. Although I'm scared of the huge work it'd take to "wikify" all that stuff.<br />
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=== [[User:The Doc|The Doc]] ===<br />
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May be the most practical request. Two books: one of chemistry (p. Silvestroni Fondamenti di chimica ISBN 88-408-0998-8 in italian to be traslated) and one of medicine (Harrison's principles of internal medicine McGraw-Hill U.S. ISBN 0-07-13914-1) that I consider the most complete books. Put them on source and books will give to the world a great amount of knowledge and their contents will continue to grow becouse of wiki principles<br />
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=== [[User:Jacopo86|Jacopo86]] ===<br />
I suggest illustrated text books such as art history books general history books or technical books with a lot of technical drawings. Also photography of people will be good. I mean photo of politician, scientist, writer, singer, film director and so on. Also the books suggested by The Doc are very useful.<br />
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:Oppose photographs of living people. They are not impossible to take your own free versions. Dead people is another matter. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 11:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::I mean large collections of photographs (if existing). Something like a sticker album or an illustrated who's who. However i don't know if this collection is alvaible... --[[User:Jacopo86|Jacopo86]] 13:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::I think something like some of the collection of Rolling Stone, BBC, Time, Life, or some other source of cultural benchmark photos. I know this is highly unlikely, but it'd be cool to be able to use even only a portion of these photos. [[User:Youngamerican|Youngamerican]] 17:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Youngamerican]] ===<br />
Something like a chunk of the video archive of the BBC might be nice to have. Basically, the foundation could have something along the lines of a youtube-type site that legally shows much of the archives of the Beeb (I only picked them due to their longevity and international scope, but some other tv outlet, network, or production company would work too). Imagine how much could be at the tip of your fingers if something like this was available, especially as broadbadn goes global. Just a thought. [[User:Youngamerican|Youngamerican]] 17:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:ALoan]] ===<br />
* How much would it cost to buy EB, or a smaller encyclopedia? (Even smaller ones tend to have better and more comprehensive "encyclopedic" content of many core categories... I know, we are working on it... )<br />
* The right to reproduce images from leading museums, such as the Louvre, British Museum, National Portrait Gallery, etc (we often claim that they don't own the copyright for 2-dimensional works, under ''Corel v Bridgeman'', but access is often difficult). <br />
* Rather than buying copyrights, it would be nice to have a mechanism (à la Rambot) to get existing free content into Wikipedia (as far as I am aware, we don't have the complete text of the 11th edition of EB from 1911, for example, and there are other out-of-copyright sources that could just be dumped in; 1st edition of the DNB and its supplements will give us decent biographical coverage to 1901; 2nd edition of Grove would give decent musical coverage to 1910; any number of encyclopedias of classical history, etc). Perhaps tarticles could be copied to a subpage, for ease of merging with existing content? -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] 17:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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(Just so you know, Distributed Proofreaders has been working to get the 1911 EB into Project Gutenberg for a while now (under the name "The Project Gutenberg Encyclopedia" for trademark reasons). It's a monumental task for a volunteer organization, though. I think I'd personally prefer to see the 1911 presented whole and complete on PG, so all the context is preserved, rather than melded into Wikipedia, but that's just my $0.02. --sparrow_hawk (on Wikipedia))<br />
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===[[User:Badlydrawnjeff]] ===<br />
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* Copies of (or actual) primary source material. Ease of ability to use it from, say, Wikisource or Wikibooks would be incredibly useful.<br />
* Equipment to incorporate any and all posible public domain materials into the servers and projects. Encouragement of PD use would be very helpful.<br />
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===[[User:Allen3]]===<br />
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*Photographs of 20th century politicians, scientists, athletes, and other celebrities.<br />
*Digital images of museum works (''Corel v Bridgeman'' helps with 2-D paintings but quality images can still be hard to obtain)<br />
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*Bible translations<br />
*The complete archives of [[w:Mister Rogers' Neighborhood]]<br />
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===[[:w:User:Stbalbach|Stbalbach]]===<br />
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#Create a non-profit that researches "orphaned" works for copyright status. A large percentage of works published post-1923 are eligible for public domain status but it requires time and work to track down the copyright holders.<br />
#Purchase any number of excellent encyclopedia's that are usually only available at libraries. The 13-volume authoritative ''[[:w:Dictionary of the Middle Ages|Dictionary of the Middle Ages]]'' for example (which its self was paid for in part by grants).<br />
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=== [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Monk_of_the_highest_order Monk of the highest order] ===<br />
#Books, baby. Science books. Let's digest other encyclopedias. The best would be Textbooks and Schoolbooks for wikibooks to share and improve on forever. Knowledge baby; pure, unadulterated knowledge is what I want. Knowledge knowledge knowledge. The more the better. It's better to spend $5000 freeing a giant textbook than freeing three scientific papers, despite how cool it would be to set free scientific papers. Books. Please, please, please, books.<br />
#Source material. Like newspapers. We should consider, however, policy as to whether this source material can further be edited, or whether it will only be edited in a fork. Because quoting a source which has been edited by anonymous wiki users is just about as useful as quoting original or unfounded research - it doesn't mean anything. So if we are going to get stuff for source or reference material, we should have an untouched version of it for reference, and if need be, a fork wikibook for improvement.<br />
#Dictionaries have been suggested. That's cool. Double the reach of wiktionary. And if you could get them for multiple languages, you could like, multiply the amount of Mongolian words by like 100 or something.<br />
#Things which have a smaller knowledge-to-probable-price ratio like images or video should come second. <br />
#Images of famous people for whom we don't yet have a picture of yet and whom we are unlikely to get a public domain photograph of in the near future would be nice.<br />
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=== [[User:CBDunkerson]] ===<br />
#Images of characters/objects/places from fiction - These are generally 'derivative works' by definition and thus '''all''' existing images are often 'fair use'. Purchasing the right to freely release certain images from the copyright holders would vastly benefit these articles.<br />
#Images of notable people - these tend to be taken by news organizations and thus to be 'fair use'. Buying such photos from the press or having a 'Wikinews photographer' with press credentials to cover them would be an improvement. Individuals can and do take such pictures, but this is haphazard and often at a distance, in poor lighting, or otherwise of lower quality than those at staged press events.<br />
#Other 'fair use' images - In addition to the two large categories above just a general purchase of fair use images which are difficult to obtain through other means would be beneficial.<br />
#Out of print 'encyclopedias' - There are hundreds of topic specific 'encyclopedias' and similar compilations which are out of print, unlikely to ever be reprinted, but still under copyright for decades to come. Purchasing these from the copyright holders might be viable as it is income they would not otherwise get and could provide us with vast amounts of detailed material on plants, animals, diseases, civil war personages, dance steps, archaeological dig sites, embroidery patterns, ad infinitum.<br />
#Newspaper archives - These could go in Wikisource or a new sub-project and become a vast library of reliable/verifiable reference materials. The Times isn't likely to sell their archives, but newspapers which are shutting down might be willing to.<br />
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=== [[User:Dijxtra]] ===<br />
OK, Jimbo, you said think big. So I'll think big:<br />
* As Lincher said above: earth imagery. [[en:NASA World Wind|World Wind]] is free, but not detailed enough. If we could get better resolution, it'd be great. Unfortunately (since I'm not geodata expert), I don't know the service which offeres better quality except Google Maps, and I guess buying Google Maps is not an option :-)<br />
* Maps. Atlases, charts, maps. Lots of those. Detailed atlases of every country in the world. Buy it and release it into PD. Everybody will love you for it, and I'll buy you a beer (I guess that buying a beer to a guy which has $100M to spare is a lame thing, but I'd do that anyway).<br />
* Encyclopedias. Preferably more specific (pardon my bad English, but by specific I think of those that are not general, fot instance "maritime encyclopedia", "encyclopedia of aviation" and such) ones and local ones (which tend to have more information on history and geography of a location, for instance [[en:General Encyclopedia of Yugoslavian Lexicographic Institute]]).<br />
* Dictionaries. English-somelanguage dictionaries. Get few of these and dump it to Wiktionary. That gives you rudimental but imense somelanguage-someotherlanguage dictionary. And then you can brag like this: look, we didn't invest all of it into Wikipedia, we invested some in other projects ;-) If this option is chosen, I buy you another beer for Persian dictionary ;-)<br />
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Those are just my first ideas, maybe I think of something later. Am I thinking too big? :-) --[[User:Dijxtra|Dijxtra]] 18:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Regarding satellite imagery, Google mainly repurposes satellite data from [[w:DigitalGlobe|DigitalGlobe]]. Since the images make up a large part of the company's business, I don't think they'd be willing to set any of it free. I suspect the same is true of similar companies.<br />
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:: That's why we need $100M, because nobody will set anything free for free. ;-) But, if you buy the copyrights, then you are free to set it free for free. Lots of "free"s here. --[[User:Dijxtra|Dijxtra]] 11:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Maybe Wikimedia could buy a satellite to produce photos in-house. <code>:^P</code> &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 21:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:: The best imagery comes from cameras on planes, not satellites. [[User:72.43.17.50|72.43.17.50]] 23:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not an option here, we're supposed to figure out which material we want to be set free, not how to spend that money ;-) --[[User:Dijxtra|Dijxtra]] 11:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::But it makes the point that purchasing satellite imagery is silly. To attempt to buy out such a big market asset is just wasteful. To be honest, the copyrighted material currently is pretty adequate already; for example the free version of Google Earth. Google's terms are hardly restrictive and provide very powerful access to very lightly watermarked imagery. Wikimedia isn't about communism, and I think digital mapping, at least for now, is an industry which is well suited to its current capitalist model. [[User:Bigbluefish|Bigbluefish]] 11:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I don't see what communism has to do with it. Communism as we have seen it is ideologically continual class struggle to return the means of production of market goods to the poor and thus equality, and in practice it has essentially been an incompletely succesful violent revolution leading to a sloppy authoritarian doling out of rights, because of the lack of resources after said violent revolution. Wikipedia isn't about the market, or money, or obtaining means of production for the purpose of enforcing social and economic equality. Rather, this is all about using our freedoms. Everyone already has access to the means of production (the ability to send satellites into space with sufficient cash, the ability to research and explain, and exercising our ability to license out our own works), we're just deciding what do with those means. No violent revolution or Marxism involved.<br />
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===[[User:Mion]]=== <br />
*Top level recent information ==<br />
I agree with Frederick, copyrighted information/publications from the United Nations (UN)[[http://www.un.org/copyright.htm]] and departmens of it and sortlike public funded organisations. (How about the EU ? which is doing the same) , Speeding up the circulation of that type of information is helpfull for society,<br />
*Or, where another part of information is created, in the Academic Journal/Peer review system.<br />
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* definately a library of pictures of notable people (current and 20th century politicians, scientists, artists, others...)<br />
* library of good resolution pictures of 2d and 3d art etc as found in museums and art galleries around the world both for work which is in the public domain and still under copyright (it's hard to legitimately get images of public domain works of art when they are housed in collections)<br />
* medical quality photographs and diagrams of the human body and its organs etc both in health and disease (all too often we have to fall back on a single image from gray's anatomy when any article could benefit from more than one diagram and photographs with different focus/perspectives)<br />
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=== Seed music ===<br />
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While [[James Brown]] was in jail, the upcoming [[rap]] artists used samples of his works extensively.<br />
If you could find some pieces of modern music with such a potential for reuse, that could be great.<br />
I wonder, [[Michael Jackson]] had the rights for [[The Beatles]] music.<br />
If he has not resold them yet, could he use 100 million dollars? {{unsigned|84.20.17.84}}<br />
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IIRC, the value of the catalog was estimated at 250 million in one of the stories about Jackson's deterioriating financial situation.<br />
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===[[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]]===<br />
Not sure if the funds would be enough, but I think buying down the royalties of past [[en:Associated Press|Associated Press]] photo collections (those before the 1990s) en-masse would be great.<br />
# Definitely encyclopedic. For every photo that a reputable news agency has shot, probably another Wikipedia article out there demands for it.<br />
# We can get rid of a whole lot of fair use images, especially when it comes to time-based events where there is no previously known free replacement other than from news agencies.<br />
# Benefits project-wide. These photos can then be uploaded to Wikipedia Commons, and then applies to all editions of Wikipedia.<br />
# Sustainable returns. Giving them away in return for crediting Wikipedia (GFDL) brings in more visitors to the project. - [[User:Mailer diablo|Mailer Diablo]] 19:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Yes! Many of these AP photos are just as encyclopedic as old paintings that have their own articles at Wikipedia. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 21:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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I second this idea, the AP catalog would be invaluable. [[User:Nhandler|Nhandler]] 02:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Angus|angus]] ===<br />
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Textbooks. --[[User:Angus|angus]] ([[User Talk:Angus|msgs]]) 20:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[User:AxelBoldt|AxelBoldt]]===<br />
Textbooks is seconded. Identify the 100 core subjects of standard undergraduate education, for each subject choose a leading textbook, then liberate these textbooks of all copyright restrictions, make them available for free download and use them to seed wikibook projects. (This might require a bit more than $10<sup>8</sup> though.) [[User:AxelBoldt|AxelBoldt]] 20:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:A wonderful qualifier, texts used as a basis of undergraduate education would provide a lot of information. Personally I would prefer engineering texts but that's just me. If we were to further specify, undergraduate texts used predominately during the third or fourth years of four year programs. Less complicated informations are more likely to have already been wiki'd or could be wiki'd for relatively less work (since more people complete the first or second year of an engineering program before being smashed to bits by something like a senior thesis.) [[User:Idyll M|Idyll M]] 00:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::MIT has put a number of its undergraduate and graduate textbooks online under a Creative Commons A-NC-SA license as part of the [http://ocw.mit.edu OpenCourseWare project]). I don't think that means you can pull their text directly into WikiBooks, but it's something to be aware of so you don't duplicate effort. --sparrow_hawk (on Wikipedia)<br />
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===[[User:jon513|Jon513]]===<br />
Textbooks is thirded (is that a word?). Textbooks much more than any other information consumed is a major financial burden. More so than news, encyclopedia, or pictures. It is also very difficult to find free alternatives. Also other information (news, pictures) is more a luxury than a necessity. Free textbooks can change the world allowing a global standardization of education. [[User:Jon513|Jon513]] 19:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br><br />
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If textbooks are freed, it's probably best to not spend good money on subjects that obsolete quickly. Math has more value over time than, say, web design. It wouldn't make much sense to invest millions of dollars on something that'll be useless in seven years.<br />
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===[[User:Improv|Improv]]===<br />
*Satellite imagery (there are many cool ways we could integrate such a database into MediaWiki software)<br />
*Sheet Music<br />
*Contents of scientific journals (this could be huge)<br />
*Back issues of political journals (e.g. Far East Review)<br />
*Judicial Commentary from Lexis-Nexis/Westlaw/etc, as appropriate by countries (although I suspect they would not be interested in sharing this information)<br />
*Archives from legislative summary services<br />
*Collections of Responsa/Fatwa/other religious rulings and discussions<br />
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Categorically, it would be interesting to enter into an agreement with journal companies whereby when specific journal issues become 10 years old, we acquire them under GFDL license - presumably they're not reselling them beyond that point, and it would not be hard to build a large list of journals we're interested in.<br />
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=== Instead of buying, spend money on persuading ===<br />
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A huge pile of content is non-free not because the author wants to control it or profit from it, but for purely historical reasons, negligence, and cluelessness. So I'd propose to spend part of the money on a low-noise, targeted promotional campaign. Mail personalized letters to world governments, various agencies, publishers, all kinds of content creators. Explain, persuade, help them make however much of their content free. I'm sure this will open up more content than outright buying. [[User:24.137.84.198|24.137.84.198]] 21:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I wholeheartedly agree. National archives, art galleries, scientific research, museums, geographical data, even governmental press releases containing useful images... most of the world knowledge is "owned" by the governments and paid with people's money. Lobbying them for releasing that materials under a free license would prove more worthwhile than paying slave traders to release their slaves. [[User:Cinabrium|Cinabrium]] 02:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::That's certainly a good point...see if you can get something for a few hundred before you buy it outright for thousands.--[[:en:User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[:en:User talk:HereToHelp|talk]]) 18:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I think this is the best idea yet. Instead of buying a limited amount of content and making it free, educate people about how information doesn't have to cost money. [[User:130.208.165.78|130.208.165.78]] 23:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:I also am for this idea. Somehow I think a lot of people would be more than happy to 'donate' or make their content free, as long as it is going to a good source. Personally I'd be glad to donate to such a great cause (as wiki).<br />
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:Though this may be the most efficient option, it will not succeed at helping Wikipedia in the areas that it needs the most, namely those copyrights that are held by people who will not give them up without actual money. [[User:169.229.89.53|169.229.89.53]] 06:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== 501(c)(3) ? ===<br />
I think 24.137.84.198 has a good point, but where is this $100M coming from? If it is from the 501(c)(3) foundation, aren’t there limitations as to how we can use the money? Personally, I want pictures archived by the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA--a Japanese equivalent of NASA). The Japanese government can claim copyrights under current Japanese laws and regulations……and there is (almost) no “fair use” concept in Japan. I can use most of NASA’s pictures in our Japanese Wiki pages thanks to U.S. taxpayers, but Japanese Wikipedians in Japan cannot use JAXA’s pictures (and/or most of pictures and photos made by Japanese government agencies) in Japanese Wiki pages thanks to......--[[User:Californiacondor|Californiacondor]] 16:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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*I like this idea, although I don't think this is a money issue (as this sum likely could not be used for this sort of thing) so much as it is a communication issue. We are talking about persuading large governments that have a lot invested in these things to make a major policy shift. A few letters will likely not do it -- it would be great if local chapters of Wikimania were to take this up as worthwhile causes, seeking help from the foundation as necessary and helpful. --[[User:Improv|Improv]] 19:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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**“Liberate” (copylefted by [[User: Shanes|Shanes]]) “the world knowledge ‘owned’ by the governments and paid with people's money” (copylefted by [[User:Cinabrium|Cinabrium]])! I ''love'' that! Delete this message if inappropriate (sorry, but I’m a newbie.). [[User:Improv|Improv]], who are “We” and where is this discussion taking place? I want to be part of this worthwhile cause. Yeah, we don’t need to pay for materials again when taxpayers have already paid for the materials. --[[User:Californiacondor|Californiacondor]] 02:55, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[:fr:User:Neuceu|NeuCeu]] ===<br />
*High definition pictures of medieval illuminated manuscripts (for example, low res pictures are available at Bibliothèque nationale de France, but you have de pay for the high res versions).<br />
*Photo sets of pieces in museums like the Louvre (similar to what was given by DirectMedia for the York Project on Commons).<br />
*Geodata : map templates, elevation terrain models, hydrographic data, etc.<br />
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===[[User:Mushroom|Mushroom]]===<br />
*Old manuscripts (to be scanned, transcribed and translated). They are already in the public domain but having free access to them is difficult, and this is a shame. Libraries, archives and universities often make you pay for high quality copies, or retain the copyright to the scanned images, or just refuse to digitize full manuscripts. Creating a new, free digitization project in collaboration with the major manuscript archives in the world would open up this sealed source of knowledge to anyone. If this can't be done, buying a single collection of manuscripts and funding its digitization could be a less expensive alternative.<br />
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*Another idea: abandonware. You could buy discontinued copyrighted software, release it under the GPL and create a free and legal Internet archive for it.<br />
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*And pictures! A free picture for every Wikipedia article, especially for those where it's difficult or impossible to make a new one.<br />
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*Corrupting politicians to make them change the copyright laws. Ok, not seriously ;D [[User:Mushroom|Mushroom]] 21:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[:en:User:American Patriot 1776|American Patriot 1776]]===<br />
I'll limit my book wishlist to 3:<br />
*Cold War Secret Nuclear Bunkers By: N.J. McCamley<br />
:*A comprehensive description of continuity of government programs in the Cold War and it's structures. Putting the exact wording of some sections into our articles would greatly augment ur Cold War knowledge.<br />
*To Save a City: The Berlin Airlift 1948 - 1949 By: Roger G. Miller<br />
:*A wonderful, detailed description of every aspect of the Berlin Airlift. Once again, the precise and gripping language of the book would fit perfectly into several different articles.<br />
*The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich By: William L. Shirer<br />
:*Accepted as a masterpiece and one of the most thorough descriptions of Nazi Germany ever. Not only would our own articles be improved, but also the world. [[User:69.142.46.197|69.142.46.197]] 00:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC) (American Patriot 1776)<br />
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===[[User:Piotrus|Piotrus]]===<br />
#Photos' archives, as they are something we most often use and is hardest to reproduce.<br />
#Maps, per above.<br />
#Film (documentaries) archives?<br />
#More archives :)<br />
#Perhaps some proprietary software that our devs would like to play with?<br />
--[[User:Piotrus|Piotrus]] 02:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]]===<br />
The Library of Congress has a wide variety of folk music recordings, such as [http://www.loc.gov/folklife/folkcat.html#AFSL13 here], that are public domain (mostly, I think, IANAL) but are not easily available because you gotta pay for an audiocassette - some are downloadable, but not all, and not many of the most interesting ones. I'm not entirely sure how one would go about taking an audiocassette and making it an ogg vorbis file, but I'm sure it's possible. One way or another, we should be able to vastly increase the amount of free, educational folk music available on the Commons and other projects. Note that though this is the Library of Congress, there are recordings from all around the world, not just the US. I know there's a British library or two that also has recordings that are public domain but not easily available, and I suppose many other national libraries probably do as well. [[User:TUF-KAT|Tuf-Kat]] 03:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[en:User:Kunzite|Kunzite]]===<br />
There would be several ways to go about this. Would you want the contentto be quickly integrated into the Wikisource or Wikipedia? Could you wait seveal months/years for content to be digitized? Digitization is costly in terms of staff time and digitizing works as a collaboration can be done, but it doesn't seem to fit the wiki model. Digitizing items using the collaboration would require physical materials to be sent to someone in order to be digitized. However, Wikimedia may want to outsource or partner with some organizations (archives, libraries, etc...) who want to do this. ([http://www.hti.umich.edu/m/moagrp/moa_conversion.html example conversion process]) <br />
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It may be more cost effective to purchase reference material that has been already digitized, batch digitized (which would be a good collabroation project for error correction), or "born digital" and batch integrate it into the collection. This could be something like a photo collection, newspaper items, or a database of biographies on authors. [[en:User:Kunzite|Kunzite]] -----<br />
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===[[en:User:Lachaume|Régis Lachaume]]===<br />
It'd be great to have free on-line access to the text of major specialised journals in the field of sciences, arts, and literature. And also to that of most striking novels of the 20th century ! It'd be costly though... [[User:132.248.81.29|132.248.81.29]] 17:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[en:User:MrDarcy|MrDarcy]]===<br />
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I'd go for history textbooks, preferably more than one on each subject (for NPOV reasons), and especially ones covering non-Western history. We could go beyond textbooks in English and rely on the community to help with interwiki translation. Any textbooks that cover more traditional encyclopedia topics would be great, in fact. Or, if you want to get really crazy, purchase the copyright to an older edition of a dead-tree encyclopedia, like a non-current edition of World Book, with the goal of assimilating all the information on topics that are no longer changing (world history, art history, literary history, etc.). | [[en:User:MrDarcy|MrDarcy]] 03:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Nojhan|Nojhan]] ===<br />
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* [[:en:ESA]] has lot of multimedia stuff : http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmghome.pl<br />
* [[:en:INA]] is the first audiovisual archive center in the world and the first digital image databank in Europe : http://www.ina.fr/archives/index.en.html<br />
* The french ''Réunion des musées nationaux''sells books, images, videos, CD-ROMs and DVD-ROMs from the main french museums (see [[:fr:Réunion des musées nationaux]]) : http://www.rmn.fr/index-gb.html<br />
* Press articles databases : [http://www.pressedd.com/ Pressed], [http://www.europresse.com/EuroPresse/NonMembers/frame_intro.asp Europresse] and [http://www.lexisnexis.fr/pressebusiness/produits.htm LexisNexis]<br />
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=== [[User:Ashibaka]] ===<br />
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Buy all of Bob Dylan's music. That deserves to be in the public domain. <br />
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Seriously, if you want to do something useful, '''don't''' buy history textbooks-- anyone can write a history textbook with the proper sources. Buy the primary sources: newspaper archives, firsthand accounts, videos, letters. And although this is more subjective, I wouldn't buy science stuff at all, there's little benefit in having a particular explanation of public domain facts made reprintable. I'd say the best use of money would be to buy huge amounts of out-of-print music and literature, so that they can be better preserved. [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] 15:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. Let's write our own textbooks; get the valuable stuff before it is lost to time.--[[:en:User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[:en:User talk:HereToHelp|talk]]) 19:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::I also agree. History-sources are very important to be free. THOMAS (German Wikipedia)<br />
::Ditto. [[User:555|555]] 05:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[:en:User:Renata3]]===<br />
Thinking big? [[:en:Factiva]] + [[:en:JSTOR]] :)<br />
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Thinking smaller? <br />
* Local (i.e. only about one country) or specific (i.e. on medicine, on aviation, on music) encyclopedias. There is nothing new in general encyclopedias (i.e. EB) that WP does not have already.<br />
* Textbooks, and lots of them. See [http://www.textbookmedia.com] for $0 textbooks.<br />
* Image and '''map''' archives / libraries.<br />
[[:en:User:Renata3|Renata]] 17:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Californiacondor]] ===<br />
Only if lawfully feasible, buy <s>all</s> some photos taken by Ernesto "Che" Guevara when he travled around the world (at least one photo from each country he visted) or all photos depicting him. --[[User:Californiacondor|Californiacondor]] 17:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:Durova]] ===<br />
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I'd survey tenured professors at major universities and ask for their recommendations, particularly regarding out-of-print titles that they regard in high esteem. This would have several benefits:<br />
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*$100 million could buy a large number of copyrights for useful hard-to-find textbooks and reference works.<br />
*Wikipedia editors could cite these books to improve articles.<br />
*Professors could include these works in their assigned course reading without the usual misgivings: students would have free access to them (through Wikiversity?) rather than pay exorbitant prices for new textbooks or wait for short-term access to a single library copy.<br />
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Much of this material isn't cost-effective to republish via traditional book publishing and remains unavailable until copyright finally expires. [[User:Durova|Durova]] 21:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:I think thats a really cool idea, but how will those poor execs at (major college bookstore chain deleted) buy their new yachts if they can't sell used paperback copies of The Birdcage for 14.95? :) [[User:Youngamerican|Youngamerican]] 00:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Heh - they could always fill the shelves with other interesting titles. Remember that many of these are out of print, so the bookstores themselves wouldn't lose much. ;) [[User:Durova|Durova]] 01:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[User:Grahamec]]===<br />
Paintings are especially important. Even paintings that are out of copyright are hard to photograph under gallery rules. --[[User:Grahamec|Grahamec]] 00:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I don't think we need to buy old encyclopedias, we can already quote these sources and we should not need to plagiarise them. On the other hand images like paintings and the [[w:Tube map|London Underground map]] are hard to come by. --[[User:Grahamec|Grahamec]] 04:59, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::The problem is that we could spend a small fortune on just one image. Just think about the London underground map - it would cost lots of thousands to get the rights to print it in the back of a diary or something - but we want FREE access for all the world - which amounts to destroying the owner's ability to sell it over and over. That would cost a LOT of money - and even assuming we could get it - it could take months of negotiations and big financial outlay for what? One or two articles. It's just not cost effective. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] 02:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[en:User:Shanes|Shanes]]===<br />
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#Liberate as much and as recent images/media from as many [[en:Category:News agencies|News agencies]] as possible. The agencies who liberate their archives know it will give them good publicity, both because they're doing a favour to human mankind, and because the content (with courtesy attribution notes) will be seen by a larger audience, something their marketing departments will like. While the agencies who don't follow will know that the media they own the rights to will now drop in value anyway, since so much is being released by other agencies.<br />
#[[en:National Geographic Society|National Geographic]] media. They have lots of high quality pictures that is very hard for us to get even close to have.<br />
#Books and media (images, diagrams, etc) from modern medicine. If we could offer accurate and up to date media that can help people around the world learn modern medicine, that would be huge.<br />
[[User:Shanes|Shanes]] 01:25, 19 October 2006 <br />
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=== Neutrality ===<br />
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#Textbooks.<br />
#Map imagery.<br />
#The rights to ''[[w:Bartlett's Familiar Quotations|Bartlett's Familiar Quotations]]'' for [[Wikiquote]].<br />
#The rights to [[w:Shelby Foote|Shelby Foote's]] ''[[w:The Civil War: A Narrative|The Civil War: A Narrative]]''.<br />
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--[[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]] 03:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Your last entry makes me wonder. The Civil War is the most popular of American wars for publications. The ''Official Records ...'' in 128 volumes is already available on a single CD, as are the further 27 volumes of naval operations. Foote's book may give a particular perspective on the war, but I think that before real decisions are made we need to broadly evaluate the literature on a subject. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 06:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::That being said, if Bartlett's is up for grabs as a reasonable cost (and we know it won't be), it's a great idea.--[[:en:User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[:en:User talk:HereToHelp|talk]]) 19:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[w:User:Riana dzasta|User:Riana dzasta]] ===<br />
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Oh, wow. <br />
# Audio<br />
# Pictures, especially for biographical articles<br />
# Textbooks<br />
# Maps<br />
# Satellite images<br />
# Access to "pay-per-view" journal articles on the web? <br />
&mdash; '''[[User:Riana_dzasta|riana_dzasta]]''' <sub>[[w:User_talk:Riana_dzasta|wreak havoc]]'''|'''[[Special:Contributions/Riana_dzasta|damage report]] </sub> 05:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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===[[:en:User:LiquidGhoul|LiquidGhoul]]===<br />
We are in real need of photos of endangered or recently extinct species. We have very few good photos of extinct speices, and we have few endangered speices also. Also, flora/fauna of areas with very few or no Wikipedians, such as New Guinea, areas of South America, etc. I am sure the community could come up with quite a good list of species we are in desperate need of. --[[:en:User:LiquidGhoul|LiquidGhoul]] 14:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:I don't understand this need to buy the rights to other encyclopaedias. We can always use them as a source, and then we have a well referenced article. If we just copied an entire article from an encyclopaedia, it wouldn't make it a featured article. We would need to change it, expand it etc. and it probably wouldn't end up in the same shape in which we bought it. It is much better to use it as one of the sources, then there is less chance of innacuracies getting through. Go to the original source, not another encyclopaedia. Most will be out of date in no time as well, Wikipedia is better for its ability to stay up-to-date. Sounds like a waste of money to me. --[[:en:User:LiquidGhoul|LiquidGhoul]]<br />
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=== [[User:Zocky|Zocky]] ===<br />
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One word: Britannica. [[User:Zocky|Zocky]] 17:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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: Can we get the OED too? - [[User:TheDaveRoss|TheDaveRoss]] 22:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[:en:User:Andrew Levine|Andrew Levine]] ===<br />
'''Idea 1: Make a deal with national libraries that hold public-domain content to make it all easily available.''' For example, the Library of Congress has an extensive collection of mid-20th-century images from Look Magazine, the New York World Telegram, and U.S. News and World Report, which were all donated to the public domain by their copyright-holders, but only a small number are online. Tuf-Kat mentioned above the LoC's collection of folk music recordings for which you have to go through a lengthy process to get a reproduction. Pay the Library of Congress $5,000,000 to have all of these images, recordings, etc. uploaded in high-res format. Do the some with other major national libraries.<br/><br />
'''Idea 2: Buy the rights to old, specialized encyclopedias which are not yet out of copyright.''' This would be moot of we got the orphan-works laws passed, but it's a slightly more "down to earth" option. For example, my great-uncle used to have an enormous multi-volume encyclopedia of music that was published in the 1950s, some of it on compositions and composers which probably don't even have Wikipedia articles yet. Chances are, if the publisher even still exists anymore, they'd be willing to part with the rights to a half-century-out-of-date encyclopedia on classical music for less than a half million dollars. If not outright purchasing the material, an agreement to license the text under the GFDL or CC-SA might cost less. Do this with any number of other specialized encyclopedias (focusing on art, history, biographical, etc. Not so much science because that may be too-out-of date to be useful). Then hire some new staffers to upload all of the content to Wikisource. [[en:User:Andrew Levine|Andrew Levine]] 21:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[user:Qviri]] ===<br />
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According to my count, ''fourthed'' '''satellite images'''. For geography articles, we are able to get free (as in license) photographs, create free maps, but satellite imaginery (and what better way to illustrate urban sprawl, light pollution, patterns in human settlement, secret government installations, etc) is a bit out of your average editor's ballpark. --[[user:Qviri]] 00:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Really? Have you looked at the stuff from Nasa, especially [[:en:World Wind]]. - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 12:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== UNIX SVRx ===<br />
Buy all (if any) outstanding copyrights to the UNIX source code, on a "bounty" basis. This should not cost very much, since the current copyrights are tenuous. UNIX is seminal, and the current uncertanties about the copyrights are an impedement to the development of new software.<br />
:Great idea! Buy UNIX copyrights, so other free operating systems (Linux, *BSD, etc.) don't have to worry about infringing on very old copyrights. Wonder what that'd to to the IBM-SCO case?<br />
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=== [[en:User:Yaksha|Yaksha]] ===<br />
I don't think buying textbooks is such a good idea. Textbooks are an eample of work which we ''can'' generate free replacements for. If we can build a free encyclopedia, i don't think textbooks are so far off. All we need is the time, and perhaps more people, to build completely free textbooks. <br />
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I think it would be better to put money into buying and freeing works which we trying cannot make replacements for. <br />
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*Primary sources - old photos, pictures, original footage, manuscripts, sheet music, designs, drawings..etc Especially things which could be used to improve our other projects - like replacing Fair Use pictures wikipedia articles with truely free pictures. <br />
*Things which will help us - softwares like translation software, or things like old newspaper articles, journal archives, earth imagery, etc. which will be useful to wikipedia editors<br />
*Freeing things which can be incorporated into our projects - like encyclopedias and/or dictionaries. Not nessasarily english ones either - buying rights to encyclopedias and dictionaries in some languages could seriously give a boost to the wikipedia/wikitionary projects in those languages. It would be better than a textbook, which would just be converted into a softcopy and slapped onto wikibooks. <br />
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I also think putting some money into advertising and publicity work would be really good. We should<br />
* encourage people (or groups/companies) to free their own work<br />
* contact newspapers, journals and other publishing groups to see if we can strike any deals on freeing work of certain years old<br />
* contacting governments - to quote ''"A huge pile of content is non-free not because the author wants to control it or profit from it, but for purely historical reasons, negligence, and cluelessness. So I'd propose to spend part of the money on a low-noise, targeted promotional campaign. Mail personalized letters to world governments, various agencies, publishers, all kinds of content creators. Explain, persuade, help them make however much of their content free. I'm sure this will open up more content than outright buying."''<br />
* encouranging places like libariries to get already free work online or more easily avaiable. <br />
--[[en:User:Yaksha|Yaksha]] 03:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[en:User:Vicarious|Vicarious]] ===<br />
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User access to solid verifiable peer reviewed material via services such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBSCO_Publishing EBSCO] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proquest Proquest]. <br />
--[[en:User:Vicarious|Vicarious]] 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, please! [[en:User:riana_dzasta|User:riana_dzasta]] 15:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== TV News Archive (user THOMAS/German Wikipedia) ===<br />
I think a TV news archive from the beginning to now would be great. But that's a big job and of course it's very difficult because of the licenses.<br />
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=== Dover Publications ===<br />
Dover has a very nice assortment of books, some already in the public domain (but already digitalized by them). Buy the rights to their collection.[[en:User:Somoza|Somoza]]13:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
Yes! This is an excellent idea. I learn most of my science from them because they are such classics and so cheap. It would be fantastic if I could wiki them instead!<br />
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=== Legal documents ===<br />
West Publishing holds the copyrights on the legal reporters (volumes of caselaw) that contain the published opinions of state and federal courts in the United States. (In some cases, West can't claim copyright to the opinions themselves, but does claim copyright to the pagination system and the headnotes that to some extent are the basis of the most common forms of legal citation). Making this information publicly available could make it easier for people who do not have easy or affordable access to Westlaw or Lexis/Nexis to research legal points. [[User:38.98.195.226|38.98.195.226]] 18:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== National Geographic photos ===<br />
The National Geographic photo library [[User:38.98.195.226|38.98.195.226]] 18:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:TheDaveRoss|TheDaveRoss]] ===<br />
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All US Court decisions, of course the Supreme Court being most important, but the rest of them too. - [[User:TheDaveRoss|TheDaveRoss]] 06:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:See [[Wikisource:Case_law#United_States_Supreme_Court|Wikisource:Case law]].--[[:en:User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[:en:User talk:HereToHelp|talk]]) 19:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== Use for technical images ===<br />
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Technical, high-level drawings and maps. Example: cut-offs of mechanism (planes, locomotives, cars, motors, electronic circuits etc.), plans of industries (i.e. production flows), detailed maps of cities. I think it would not cost so much to acquire the rights of some professional works. Some 3000 drawings would make this encyclopedia stunning. --[[User:151.47.101.123|151.47.101.123]] 15:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:A lot of that can be done ourselves, but it's still an interesting idea.<br />
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===[[:en:User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]]===<br />
I think that the money is best used to free some of the best of 20th Century Literature. I'd like to see some good classics available, like:<br />
*<u>[[wikipedia:Gone with the Wind|Gone with the Wind]]</u> ([[wikipedia:Margaret Mitchell|Margaret Mitchell]])<br />
*<u>[[wikipedia:Nineteen Eighty-Four|Nineteen Eighty-Four]]</u> ([[wikipedia:George Orwell|George Orwell]])<br />
*<u>[[wikipedia:The Diary of A Young Girl|The Diary of A Young Girl]]</u> ([[wikipedia:Anne Frank|Anne Frank]])<br />
However, those will probably cost a heck of a lot, and will be out in twenty or thirty (as opposed to seventy) years. Still, their what I put priority on (and may be cheaper because it's a shorter time until the rights holder loses that title, anyway.) Non-fiction is also fine (I like [[#American Patriot 1776]]'s suggestions), as are [[#Danny]]'s wishes for equipment to digitize old recordings. (Speaking of which, sound files of classic speeches or musical pieces are also fine by me.) Biblical translations are also good (try to get a clear, modern one; in my opinion, "thys" and "thous" distort the understanding of the text). Textbooks for Wikipedia is also an interesting idea, but we should not use them to simply replace encyclopedia articles, and we should look into citing them (fair use style) first. Images are also an interesting idea, but we manage alright without them. Those should only be bought on a specific, case-to-case basis.<br />
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===[[pl:User:Mieciu K|Mieciu K]]===<br />
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Just one wish, but a big one. Let's buy the rights to one or more [[w:Tank Man]] photographs. Tank Man aka "The unknown rebel" is [[w:TIME Magazine's 100 most influential people of the 20th century]]. Right now many of the wikipedias that do not allow fair use images cannot use tank man photographs [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian%27anmen-Massaker Tian'anmen-Massaker (de wiki)] [[User:84.10.40.120|84.10.40.120]] 01:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[en:User:megapixie]] ===<br />
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* Buy the GFDL rights to one (or possibly two) un-reproducable news images at the end of every week, could be done via a vote/discussion to decide which image(s) to buy. Probably would be cheap enough that it could be kept going indefinately. Images could be attributed via invariant text to the donar.<br />
* Work with a number of museums to photograph their collections of objects (not art - but objects) in a professional way. Probably would cost less than $2 million to "rent" and photograph the collections of a dozen major world museums. Images could be attributed via invariant text to the donar.<br />
* Hire an inhouse graphic artist to work on diagrams/maps full time. Cost would be less than 100k/year - could be continued indefinately. A decent artist could produce in the region of 1,000+ diagrams a year. All work could be attributed to the donor via invariant text. <br />
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That's all I can think of right now. [[User:Megapixie|Megapixie]] 13:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== Alkivar's request ===<br />
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# get the "proper" licensing from all of the major music licencing groups so we can legally sample/post samples of musicians for all of our music articles.<br />
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Thats all I can think of that I'd want personally. [[w:User:Alkivar|Alkivar]]<br />
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=== Chris ===<br />
Music metadata. Believe it or not, there is no standard, agreed-upon scheme for recording the names of artists, albums, and tracks. This information is not typically encoded on a CD. There are several competing standards: FreeDB, AMG, Muze, etc., but the best data is all proprietary. A big, common location where everyone can contribute would make finding music much easier.<br />
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=== Pat Furrie ===<br />
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I second this recomendation. And I'd like to expand on that idea, for what could be done wiki-style and aided by proper capitolization.<br />
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Whoever had the idea of giving songs/music/media a single "genre" <br />
classification from the outset was fantastically short-sighted.<br />
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Yes, there is a ID3 means for multi-genre classification, but that's just not used. Why? Because it doesn't cross the threshold of having enough added value in the way it is implemented.<br />
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In the spirit of "being constructive," here's my suggestion:<br />
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Bit map the genre/category/groups information.<br />
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Divide up this data field into many unique genre "descriptors" which cover the gamut of descriptive types, in a heirarchical (sp?) structure, and configured so as few or as many descriptors can be flagged for a given file.<br />
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The descriptors cover a range of major topics, from classical genre types, to local descriptions (New Orleans, Asian, French, etc), instrument types (strings, percussion, horns, etc), band type (orchestral, quartet, acapella, etc), mood (happy, inspirational, flamboyant), and others (such as a set of "adult" bits).<br />
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Who decides? A database, run wiki-style, which maintains all the classifications that users give input to. The same sort of mechanism for mediation which exist for wiki articles also exists for genre disputes. <br />
Some fields for certain media are locked when there is no dispute about a song being in that catagory (if the song has trumpets, it has trumpets).<br />
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So what if a song ends up classified as both rock and jazz? Some stuff will have mutliple classications -- that's the whole point.<br />
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New classification terms can end up in the database through a submission process...<br />
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=== Phragit ===<br />
Though it may be slightly unorthadox it would be a good idea to purchase the rights to several underapreciated music albums that are not currently availible such as King James Version by Harvey Danger. Some great films would also be better liberated from copyrights, especially the films Salo, Day of the Fight and Flying Padre.<br />
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===[[User:Butterwaffle]]===<br />
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As an engineer it would be great to see deesign standards and materials data freely available. This information currently costs a lot of money to access and thus isn't integrated into design software very well. Here are some examples of things that would be great:<br />
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# Steam tables. These are in the back of most thermodynamics textbooks but the textbook copyright prevents you from duplicating them in software. The software that comes with the textbooks is uniformly miserable. Tables for other common fluids (air, refrigerants, etc.) would have the same value. The nice thing about this is that with $100M, you could purchase lab equipment required to perform the measurements and then publish the results for many different fluids.<br />
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# Solid material properties. As with the above, paying someone to carefully run experiments on a variety of materials would be great if the copyright holders were unwilling to publish their data. Data include things such as elasticity, fatigue strength, impact strength, failure curves for uniaxial stress and bending moment tests, etc..<br />
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# ASME and ASCE and SAE (and JSME and iMechE) design guidelines. These societies publish design guidelines for pressure vessels, automotive components, pretty much anything mechanical that humans build. Often the guidelines are codified as local and national building codes but are not freely available.<br />
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# Engineering textbooks on basic subjects like Physics (e.g., Halliday and Resnick), Chemistry, Thermodynamics (Cengel and Boles), Statics and Dynamics (Beer and Johnston), Fluids (Fox and MacDonald), and Machine Design (Shigley).<br />
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: By my count, a fifth in favor of engineering texts and data. [[User:Idyll M|Idyll M]] 00:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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: Just buy out the people who produce the CRC Handbook? --sparrow_hawk (on Wikipedia)<br />
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=== Free the Literature! ===<br />
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There are plenty of <i>old</i> journal articles out there which are nonetheless incredibly important - things that helped start new scientific fields and subfields. Science is, supposedly, the publicly held, publicly verifiable knowledge of humankind. There is no decent reason why <i>all scientific literature before 1996</i> should not be online - journals have no excuses to keep this information locked up; they've already been paid for it.<br />
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Dead trees are not information, they are pictures of information. You can't run NLU algorithms on hunks of wood, or even search them properly. That literature needs to go online and free, so that humanity can make proper use of its own knowledge.<br />
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I don't know if $100M is enough to get this done, but it might be enough to get it started. <br />
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--[[User:64.142.82.33|64.142.82.33]] 23:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
I second this idea. If it is done, efforts should be made to use the same instruments as the original composer used or intended to be used.<br />
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=== Specific textbook suggestions ===<br />
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any specific texbooks people have found extremely helpfull in their respective fields should be mentioned here<br />
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* The Feynman Lectures on Physics - arguably the best set of physics textbooks ever written, they encompass basic physics through reletivistic space time and quantum mechanics in very intuitive and easy to understand language.<br />
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* Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, by Abelson, Sussman, and Sussman (Computer Science)<br />
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* An Introduction to Database Systems, by Christopher J DATE (Data and databases)<br />
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* Transaction Processing, by Jim GRAY<br />
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* Economics, by Anthony SAMUELSON<br />
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=== Recordings of classical music ===<br />
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Convince an orchestra to record music such that they are paid strictly on a salary basis -- no royalties.<br />
Use this orchestra to begin to compile "reference recordings" of the world's music, and place the MP3s in the public domain.<br />
This would work well for composers who have been long dead, where the actual composition is no longer under copyright.<br />
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Make sure a decent (if not outright the best) orchestra makes these reference recordings.<br />
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It might be useful to talk with folks from the [http://www.classicalarchives.com/ Classical Archives]. If they have convinced orchestras (notably, some Russian ones) to hand them recordings for a $25/year subscription library, they may as well work out a public domain deal for the same works.<br />
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=== Why Not $200 million / Medicine===<br />
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I suggest whatever you decide on purchasing right to... you get other agencies to match what you put up for the rights. Or request it at half cost... make $100 million into $200 million. I don't know if this is feasible.. but how about Medicine intellectual property... buying research on AIDS/Cancer treatments and making it public domain might save lives. If you were doing something like this... for the "Public Good" the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (http://www.gatesfoundation.org/) might match the $100 million.<br />
::I have to disagree on this. I dont find that this project is to save human lives - there are other fund rasing projects that aim to that. --[[User:80.221.27.231|80.221.27.231]] 06:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::::Regardless of whether it would help save lives, I'd like to see all full-text articles in Medline (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/) available for free.<br />
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=== Dictionaries ===<br />
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The OED has already been suggested, and I'd like to add [[:w:A Latin Dictionary|Lewis and Short]] and [[:w:Greek-English Lexicon|Liddell & Scott]]. [[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 01:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Note that Lewis and Short is already in the public domain and is not being revised at all. Some editions of Liddell and Scott are already in the public domain. Public domain searchable versions of these have already been digitized and made available to the public by the Perseus Project, although they don't seem to allow full-text download. [[:w:User:Schoen]]<br />
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=== Translations of classics which are public domain only in other languages ===<br />
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For example, although the Hebrew and Greek text of the Bible is public domain, all the good English translations are copyrighted. Many other ancient pieces of literature share the same predicament. [[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 01:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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====Al-Qur'an====<br />
<small>(I took the liberty of making this a subsection. [[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 01:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC))</small><br />
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Translated by Ahmed Ali; Princeton University Press; 2nd Rev edition; <br />
ISBN: 0691020469<br />
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====Critical Editions of the Bible====<br />
Although the Hebrew and Greek text of the Bible is in public domain (or at least certain versions of it), the primary critical editions are not public domain. For example the BHS (Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia) for Hebrew and both NA27 (Nestle Aland 27th Edition) and UBS4 (United Bible Society 4th Edition) for Greek.<br />
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=== [[User:SteveBaker]]'s wishlist ===<br />
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There are a lot of individual works (many very worthy - many listed above) that it would greatly benefit the world as Wikipedia fodder. But we can't just go out with a big pile of cash and magically get them. You'd have to negotiate with individual copyright holders - some things we want might simply be unobtainable at any price - in other cases, the copyright owners are impossible to contact. In general, our members can read these works - and write about what they learned. We just don't need the copyrights in a vast majority of cases if all we want is to suck out the juices and write them down in our own words.<br />
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The biggest place where copyright issues crop up right now is in 'fair use' photographs - but again, negotiating a price for the use of these photos would be exceedingly difficult - and in many cases impossible.<br />
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Furthermore, things that will come out of copyright on their own in the reasonably near future are a waste of a valuable one-time bequest.<br />
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We need to think in terms of things that none of our eminent contributors can possibly come up with by themselves.<br />
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In terms of single items - I think that the purchase of high quality satellite imagery of the earth (including elevation data and any other meta-data that might be available) would enable us to provide a Google-Earth-like service, but with the ability to add Wiki links from every location. We could have people attach ground-level photography - eventually add 3D models. This is all within the scope of a Wiki-like process...but obtaining the imagery is not. We don't have free satellite access - and given the cost of getting it - we probably never would. We could, however, uniquely add value to that imagery in the way that Google or MapQuest cannot.<br />
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Another possibility is not to spend the money on freeing the copyright on materials that already exist - but instead to commission works from the greatest minds of our day - and simply donate them to the world. I would imagine that even the greatest thinkers and researchers of our time would write something quite<br />
substantial for us if offered (say) $100,000 cash. If we hade $100M to play with, we could get 1,000 major works of totally up to date materials with open copyright and on our own terms. This could be ground-breaking for the sciences (for example). What would the worlds greatest minds come up with if given an offer to write literally whatever they want as their contribution to the world's greatest encyclopedia?<br />
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[[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] 01:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Music is the fuel of life. I love to play guitar and sing in my spare time and it would be great to have guitar tabs and lyrics freely available. It could even inspire me, and others, to write fresh original material.<br />
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=== [[User:geekwithsoul]]'s suggestion ===<br />
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Scans of Census forms for U.S., United Kingdom, and other countries as available for as many years as are available. These are a vital piece of history and contain information simply not available elsewhere. The wiki-fication would include transcription of text in images and annotations (showing important data, errors on orginal forms, etc.).<br />
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:For obvious reasons, census data is kept confidential for a century or so after the census, and is thus not available to purchase at any price.<br />
:[[User:DrPlokta|DrPlokta]] 07:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== [[User:humpback]]'s suggestion ===<br />
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All the ISO standards and maybe other sets of standards that are not available for free. Dont know if these could be bought and placed in a wiki.<br />
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=== Knowledge Creation Machine ===<br />
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Use it to take wiki technology to the next level and create a knowledge creation machine.<br />
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--[[User:Knowledgemachine|Knowledgemachine]] 02:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== Course Writer-in-Residency Program ===<br />
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Provide a fellowship program to distinguished academics and educators, with the goal of creating a complete, University-level, online course. Authors would be supported for several months, and given access to volunteers to assist with web/multimedia design, etc.<br />
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=== Common sheet music ===<br />
I would like to see common musical scores opened up to the public domain. Currently publishing houses charge an arm and a leg (and occasionally a thumb and two toes) to 'rent' musical scores for a short period of time. The cost associated with these scores can be crushing to a semi-pro group, and is outright prohibitive to not-for-profits or amateur organizations. <br />
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I feel that if the works of some of the major composers, or some of the most commonly played symphonic, concert band, operatic and musical (think 'broadway') scores were made available in the public domain it would do amazing things to help all musicians. Our kids could learn with great works, and our tax dollars wouldn't have to pay to rent the music. Amateur groups could play the music that they want to play, and the music that the crowds want to hear (which would probably increase their revenue streams). Semi-pro organizations could afford to pay their talented workforce.<br />
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If the music was stored in an easy-to-manipulate or commonly used format (there are several XML based markup languages) a music wiki could be set up that would allow the public to create and share different arrangements (it's not just the original score that costs a fortune, but all arrangements of that score as well), annotate works, or appropriate portions into new scores.<br />
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I also feel that a site such as this would encourage future donations of existing musical works, or would encourage future composers to add portions of their own works to the collection.<br />
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Some examples of common composers or works (and this list is certainly not exhaustive) might include: West Side Story, Fiddler on the Roof, or works by Holst, Mozart, Brahms, Beethoven, etc.<br />
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=== Spectral Band Replication ===<br />
I would use a sum of the theoretical money to purchase the patents related to Spectral Band Replication and free up [http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6680972.html United States Patent 6680972] and its dependent technologies. This would allow Xiph to enhance Ogg Vorbis to surpass MP3Pro and AAC easily for perceptual quality per encoded bitrate.<br />
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::--John R. Moser<br />
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=== Form a Lobby Group to limit the current length and scope of copyrights ===<br />
It would be a great idea to use this money to form a powerful lobby group (Like all the big corps do) to publicly and openly oppose the abysmal state of the US (which influences the rest of the world) copyright laws. <br />
The lobby group should have clear goals:<br />
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1.A complete rewrite of the DMCA removing the articles about making the circumvention of security devices illegal, even for fair use.<br />
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2. Limit the length of copyright.<br />
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3. Limit the scope of copyright.<br />
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4. Make region encoding on DVD's and other artificial barriers illegal.<br />
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5. Abolish the Trusted Computing consortium<br />
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6. Punish companies for deliberately intruducing anti-competitive non standard devices <br />
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7. Eliminate or at least curb DRM so that it may not erode any of the current fair uses for copyright works in place.<br />
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ie can copy 10% of a cd or one song for personal use. One chapter of a movie or 10% for personal use.<br />
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8. Anything that will generally benifit the consumer over the corperation.<br />
::The effect on rest of the world would be very limited--[[User:80.221.27.231|80.221.27.231]] 06:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== The Human Genome ===<br />
There is quite simply nothing more important, and nothing that more deserves to be free!<br />
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=== Knowledge search engine ===<br />
The development of a search engine and a XML format for the representation for structured knowledge sources. Wikipedia would just be one of the knowledge sources. The free dictionary and project guttenberg would just two other examples. There are already many structured knowledge sources available on the internet, but they all have their own way of representing information. But in fact anybody would be able to make his/her own collection of structured knowledge available, once they have made an interface to the XML format. (Of course, part of the budget would be donated to organisations with large structured knowledge sources to create the interface.)<br />
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===[[User:Dipskinny]]'s suggestion===<br />
Saddam's Weapons of Mass Descruction<br />
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=== Empower other people to make an impact ===<br />
I am fairly disappointed at most of the suggestions. I believe the maximum impact can only be done by empowering other people to make a difference in the society. Hence my suggestion is to create an organization that identifies and finances the best social companies/concepts each year to get them off the ground. For example, maybe one laptop per child can use some more research to launch. It will become kind of like a "social research fund" that will encourage most promising "social startups" to succeed.<br />
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=== Seed Fund for a Private Version of Voted Compensation ===<br />
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The concept of *Voted Compensation* is explained in my article [http://www.1729.com/ip/PublicGood.html Published Digital Information is a Public Good: The Case for Voted Compensation].<br />
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Very briefly, it is a form of Alternative Compensation System which works as follows:<br />
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* Taxes are collected against Internet useage, computer hardware and digital recording media.<br />
* These taxes are to be used to pay for content which has been registered and licensed for free distribution.<br />
* Taxpayers vote for which registered content should be paid for by the fund.<br />
* Voting includes negative voting and voting thresholds to prevent corrupt voting (i.e. voting for your friend who produces valueless content).<br />
* There may also be meta-voting, where voters vote on adjustments to the system for translating votes into compensation decisions.<br />
* Receipt of compensation is entirely transparent, i.e. how much is allocated to which registered content producers for which content is public knowledge.<br />
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$100,000,000 could be used as a seed fund for a private version of this concept. New users could join the system by signing up for an entry fee (maybe $20) and a monthly fee (maybe $5). This would given them the right to vote for content in the system. In principle the content of a private voted compensation scheme would only have to be licenced for members of the system, i.e. it would be like a giant licensing collective, although for moral propaganda purposes it would be preferable to license all content freely (also given the stated intention of the donator behind this fund).<br />
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Two benefits could derive from using the $100,000,000 this way:<br />
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* It is devoted towards content according to the tastes of the actual public (which is supposed to be what copyright achieves).<br />
* It highlights the benefits of the Voted Compensation scheme, which might result in it being adopted in the original suggested public form (in at least some countries).<br />
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Comparing my suggestion to most of the other suggestions given here:<br />
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* Don't prejudge which type of free content is best funded.<br />
* Don't pay content producers ''before'' they produce their content.<br />
* Let the public decide which free content most deserves to be paid for, and how much.<br />
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== Elevation data & Modified Copyrights ==<br />
* Releasing elevation data of the entire earth. Two main reasons: (1) most are generated using govt funded projects which use public money; (2) there is nothing creative about it. Copyright is for creative works. The idea has already been suggested.<br />
* Release university level research literature if the work is completely funded by public money. If a private entity has funded a part or whole of the research, it is understandable that the entity would like to reap the benefits of investment. In such a case, adjustments could be made that the entity retains copyright for a fraction of period compared to "regular" period of copyright. It is the responsibility of the private entity to recoup the cost of investment within that fractional period. After that period the copyright will automatically change to creditright. ''I invented the term and believe that it is self-explanatory. ping me at <insert my username>@gmail DOT com if this term is discussed.''<br />
* As someone as already suggested, copyrights should be limited to a period of 20 years. In addition, I would also like to create the concept of creditright. The reproductions/replications must clearly credit the original creator as the author of the work. Creditright never expires. I observe that the practice has already existed for centuries but I would be happy to see a legislation. If something similar is already in effect, well, then the discussion is irrelevant.<br />
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For last two ideas, a lobby group needs to be created as already suggested.<br />
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Oh! I almost forgot to mention my username. It is jhshukla.<br />
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And as much as I love the intentions of may users here, please do not forget that discussion is about copyrighted works. It is not about patents. Businesses have invested money in research and it is understandable that they want to benefit from the investment. There is nothing creative in patents. Patents are for inventions and innovations. And they do expire after 20 years. As enlightened users of Wiki projects, please do some research using Wikipedia. It is there for you. And it is free.<br />
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- [[User:Jhshukla|Jhshukla]]<br />
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== Buy Textbooks to be used as "Seeds" for Wiki to grow ==<br />
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Divide the $100 million into 200 parts of $500,000 each.... then select the top 200 textbooks across fields of science (including mathematics). <br />
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For each field (e.g. Cellular Biochemistry), choose two books: an intro one, equivalent to that used to teach a freshman course in college, and an advanced one, equivalent to a graduate school text.<br />
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In some cases, it may not be possible to choose and buy the rights to "the best" or "best known" book in the field... that's ok.<br />
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The purpose of this plan would be to create the "seeds" for wikipedia to (a) absorb this information, and (b) provide the basis for future editors and authors to add to these pages once they were online. Within a relatively short period of time (perhaps 2-3 years), these new "wiki" editions of the books would become authoritative for their fields... and having an into and a graduate version allows for wiki authors to fill-in the gaps and cross-reference the two.<br />
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Plus, choosing only science topics ensures that a broad, but deep, range of books could be purchased. If this is successful, then perhaps another sponsor would step forward with another $100 million and the same could be repeated for history, etc.<br />
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:Academics and experts seem to often write texts for reputation purposes. Why not set up a project to draft star teams of authors to create new definitive texts for each field. If reputation is an important motivation, just make sure principal authors get credit for it (say, as editors).<br />
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::Point of clarification. From what I've seen, you generally do need principal authors, which should be credited as the authors. You often have contributors, which may write a chapter or a smaller section. An example of this would be Speech and Language Processing by Jurafsky and Martin. Andy Kehler from UCSD is listed as a contributor for having written chapter 18 (if I remember correctly). Often, these books are written out of a need for them. Either due to the field being young, or as a result of out-of-date text books where the original author is unable or unwilling to produce a new edition.<br />
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:No. Too short-term. Textbooks can become obsolete within 5 years. Besides, text books are available in public libraries. Or at least most undergraduates have access to them already.<br />
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== A baseline education effort ==<br />
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I'd like to suggest that the money be used to fund the creation of a method to take illiterate people in any language and get them to the point where they can USE the Wikimedia resources. Think of 'The Young Lady's Illustrated Primer' from the book 'The Diamond Age', it taught the protagonist how to read, how to ask questions, etc. A resource like that, whether it fed into Negroponte's $100 laptop effort or not, would be the rosetta stone for bringing progress to 3rd world countries. - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chairboy C<small>HAIRBOY]</small> ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chairboy ☎]) 23:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Arrange a license for Whitesmoke software==<br />
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Arrange a license to use [http://www.whitesmoke.com/ Whitesmoke Enrichment] and integrate it with the Mediawiki ''edit'' or ''preview'' function. This is one a hell of software ! which helps you write in a good English. I think this tool will be very useful especially for non native English speakers (and even native). It can also incidently serve as good translation complement when coupled with an automatic translation tool. Please note that I am no way affilated with this company, I have been contrbuting to Wikipedia for a long time ! see my edit history [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Khalid_hassani here] and [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Khalid_hassani here] --[[User:Khalid hassani|Khalid hassani]] 23:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Argument Against Buying Textbooks ==<br />
Writing a textbook requires a lot of expertise. You need to have a complete grasp of everything in the textbook, plus a lot of understanding of related materials to write something that is complete, informed and correct. It is something easily done by experts in a field, but not by people who only have a basic understanding.<br />
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For example, one of the math professors at my school (UC Berkeley) has written hundreds of pages of supplementary material for students that he gives out for free ([http://math.berkeley.edu/~gbergman/ link]). Among these is a 200+ supplementary companion to a graduate level analysis textbook. This material has been written by him over the years, and is freely given to his students -- for someone who is an expert in a field, this is a fairly easy (albeit time consuming) task to do. As more college students grow up under the influence of Wikipedia, accumulations of knowledge like this will be put up by experts in the field. The people who are the most qualified to write in these subject areas generally do not need public domain texts.<br />
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* I think this argument is against the basic principles of Wikipedia itself. A massively peer reviewed, open body of knowledge is superior to one produced by a few experts. A broad collection of texts from primary and secondary education (kindergarden through 12th grade and a bachelors degree in college in the US) would be invaluable to countries that simply cannot afford all those books for its students. And I see no reason why advanced post-secondary texts should not also be included to fuel higher education and advancement accross society in poor regions. This includes places in affluent countries like the US, too. Not every school district can afford texts on top of the basic necessities such as buildings and teachers. Not every university has an unlimited research budget for procurement of texts.<br />
**More than being an argument against the principles of Wikipedia, I believe it is an argument against itself. Writing a textbook either requires a lot of expertise from an individual or the collective expertise that generates the content in Wikipedia. The question is not what it takes to generate a good textbook, but its value to society when it is put in the public domain. If you claim that writing a book requires an expert and a publishing company who are later going to charge for copies of it, despite rare examples as your professor in UC Berkley, it is more of a reason to free textbooks from copyrights.<br />
**I am lolling at this. "A massively peer reviewed, open body of knowledge is superior to one produced by a few experts." You think college shelf textbooks fit that? Go read "Security+ Guide to Network Security Fundamentals, Second Edition," by Mark Ciampa, and tell me what you think. Especially about how current day systems (''Copyright on the book: 2005'') "store data next to code" and "buffer overflows alter the program instructions by overwriting them" (hint: not possible in modern systems, the code is write protected); or how "the private key is used to encrypt the message and the recipient uses his public key to read it" (not talking about digital signatures, but actual passing of secret messages). Don't buy existing textbooks written by one expert; get a few experts together so they review ''each other''.<br />
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===Wikibooks===<br />
Besides, we already have Wikibooks.<br />
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== Fund the production of new stuff ==<br />
Spend part of the $100 million buying masterpieces, which cannot be reproduced.<br />
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For technical material, rather than buying $100 million of non-free stuff spend the $100 million paying experts to<br />
produce up-to-date replacements, making the non-free stuff obsolete. [[User:John Dalton|John Dalton]] 23:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Depending on what you're thinking of buying/recreating, it should be cheaper to buy the existing non-free version if your threat to produce a free competitor is credible. -- [[User:Pde|Pde]] 04:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== handbooks ==<br />
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Handbooks are most important, some cost upwards of 500 dollars for some tables (and the tables are by and large very important for all the sciences.)<br />
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Handbooks of note:<br />
# CRC handbook (chemical resource handbook)<br />
# Some russian formula book it's about 1100 pages long, the most commonly used formulas in math/science/engineering... someone help me out with the name here.<br />
# Actuarial tables<br />
# Logarithmic tables (note that as these are depreciated in most of the first world they may mean nothing to many wiki users, but to some others they would be quite useful.)<br />
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These would be primarily used to certify values found on substances or formulas, and these values could then be LOCKED because the solubility of sucrose in pure water at 20 degrees celcius will not change readily.<br />
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Opening these books up to public domain would be the most important step forward as they could then be modified for a better use.<br />
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Barring that, please spend as much money possible on entry level science material, and primary literature(rights to use all of a journals articles perhaps?). Wikipedia is a ground up foundation, so start with easy to verify subjects and material.<br />
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:Handbook of Mathematics <br />
by I.N. Bronshtein, K.A. Semendyayev, G. Musiol, H. Muehlig, H. Mühlig <br />
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=== Why log tables? ===<br />
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Why buy something that is quick and easy to generate with a computer?<br />
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=== Why math formulae? ===<br />
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I don't think you can copyright math formulae either - certainly not the ones that you find in those big thick books. So just type them into Wikipedia yourself.<br />
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== Fund writing of textbooks and courseware ==<br />
Spend some of the amount on paying experts to write textbooks/courseware that will be licensed under OSS-type licenses. These should include both school- and university-level textbooks. More money can be spend on translation of the created textbooks/courseware into various languages.<br />
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Courses could be geared towards subjects that are clearly pragmatic (i.e., personal finance), or for which there is a widely-accepted proficiency test (i.e., GED in the US). Courses in fields that conventionally require a degree and/or licensing would be a much lower priority (i.e., medicine, law, engineering, etc). <br />
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Language instruction would be ideally suited. Professional instructors could be contracted for short-term projects to development multimedia language content, with the goal of preparing students for widely-accepted tests of language proficiency (i.e., TOEFL, JLPT, DELF, etc).<br />
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== Invest in automatic text translation research ==<br />
Would be nice if we had to possibility to translate articles on-the-fly.<br />
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== electronics schematics ==<br />
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i would like to see electronics schematics for various production electronics, not sure exactly how that would work because everyone and their mother makes electronics anymore... but it would be nice to have somewhere to go to find schematics for something im trying to repair<br />
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=== Classic Mathematics Textbooks ===<br />
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The textbooks<br />
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Principles of Mathematical Analysis, and<br />
Real and Complex Analysis<br />
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by Walter Rudin are considered the bibles of this type of mathematics. They are considered necessary reading by any serious student of mathematics. However, they are ridiculously expensive. Currently only form is a hardback book from I think McGraw-Hill costing (from Amazon) $150 US each. This is even more ridiculous when you consider that the edition that is being published dates from 1976 and hence there can be no excuse for costs associated with editorial work or what not.<br />
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== Copyright reform ==<br />
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I agree with the concept that the best way to use money like this would be not to buy individual copyrights, but rather to invest in copyright reform. If the Sonny Bono act hadn't been passed and we'd have been able to use any work up to 1930 today, that would do more good than any amount of buying copyrighted works could have done. (I'm not sure if even 100 million would be enough, though.)<br />
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Other than that, I would go with the idea of putting the money towards restoring and preserving old films. Old films have a physical deterioration problem which is a heck of a lot worse than for, say, old books. We don't even have enough resources to preserve all the public domain old films out there, let alone the copyrighted ones.<br />
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I also like the idea of putting the money towards researching orphan works. <br />
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Of course, none of those choices involves actually buying copyrights. If the only option is to literally purchase copyrights with the money, then you've specified a condition that the money is to be used very unwisely. If we have to choose between somewhat unwise ways to spend the money, and slightly more unwise ways of spending the money, I'm not even sure a meaningful answer could be given.<br />
[[User:Arromdee|Arromdee]] 00:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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I second this. American legislators are cheap, often bought for thousands, not millions. Creating a system by which all works pass into public domain after a reasonable amount of time would generate lasting impacts far into the future instead of a one-time cultural stimulus. [AP]<br />
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== Oxford English Dictionary (OED) ==<br />
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The information in OED would mesh very well wikipedia's content, and it's hard to imagine a wiki-generated etymology that would compare. OED is prohibitively expensive for many people.<br />
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I'd love to see [http://wiktionary.org/ wiktionary] seeded with OED entries.<br />
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== [[User:Kylu|Kylu]] ==<br />
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[http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/22/215238&from=rss Slashdot has linked to the Copyright Wishlist] and it might be a good idea to simply review the posts there instead of duplicating them here.<br />
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Personally I'm suggesting textbooks and perhaps a more up-to-date revision of a printed encyclopedia, then we can replace the 1911 Brittanica references, put all the textbooks on Wikibooks, and make it all available to the rest of the world. <b><i><font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu ([[User:Kylu|u]]|[[User talk:Kylu|t]]) </font></i></b> 00:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== [[User:EvlLrdDrewcifer|EvlLrdDrewcifer]] ==<br />
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spend the $100M on bandwidth. To "free" copywritten material all you have to do is provide a place to put it for a few hours out in the wild. People do the work of obtaining the material and redistributing it for free. Buy an island near a country that doesn't respect copywrite law. Better yet, launch a sat into space and host from space. <br />
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Last idea... create an ebay-style site for facilitating the buying and selling of copywritten information. Register it as www.blackmarketinformation.com. Pour the money into a protected market place and the work will all be done for you, and more efficiently than you would ever think to do it.<br />
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== Sports photo archive ==<br />
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New users on the English-language Wikipedia are forever adding '''sports photos''' to articles, from professional football, soccer, basketball, baseball, car racing. These photos are always copyrighted by Sports Illustrated or CNN or the AP, and GFDL photos of the players are never available. They all have to get marked for deletion. This is an indication that the users of Wikipedia want the photos pretty badly. There is no fair use argument that is legitimate. (Even bad-quality photos that a Wikipedian snaps of the form of "60-year-old ex-football player I saw at a convention" are absent, much less exciting in-game closeups of Barry Sanders dodging 3 linebackers simultaneously.) It would strongly improve Wikipedia's sports articles -- or, at least, users' initial impression of all the articles -- if we could acquire a sports photo library of a broad assortment of players. We don't need 50 photos of the same guy, just 1 great photo of each. It does seem crazy for an encyclopedia that has an article on Magic Johnson to lack a photo of him slamming one in. [[User:24.16.74.233|24.16.74.233]] 00:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Massachusetts Medical Society ==<br />
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The New England Journal of Medicine is a huge resource for practicing physicians. It's run by the Massachusetts Medical Society, a non-profit. How about giving them some of the money to fund moving NEJM to PLOS-style Open Access?<br />
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:I came here to recommend the NEJM too. The first place I would look for an authoritative, reliable answer to a medical question about a major disease, like leukemia or schizophrenia, is a review article in the NEJM. If you need information for a life-or-death decision, it *must* be peer-reviewed. <br />
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:The NEJM also has definitive articles answering major questions, like (in the issue before me), do DHEA and testosterone have any value as anti-aging drugs? Often, to answer a medical question from first-hand information, you *must* read the NEJM article; everything else is second-hand. <br />
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:The 4 major medical journals are NEJM, JAMA, Lancet and BMJ. Parts of those journals are made public immediately (e.g. NEJM Perspectives) immediately, other parts are made public after 6 months (NEJM reports, all of JAMA, etc.), but other important parts (NEJM review articles, editorials) are not. The editorials, for example, often give the weaknesses of the review articles. <br />
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:Other people have recommended Harrison's Internal Medicine. I'd second that too. <br />
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:Interestingly, drug companies have promotional services in which they pay the publishers to make Harrison's, NEJM, and other publications available free to doctors. So it might not cost all that much to make it available to the general public. [[User:Nbauman|Nbauman]]<br />
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== [[User:Lauren|Lauren]] ==<br />
The Merck Manual and Physicians Desk Reference.<br />
:The Merck Manual of course is available free (though not open source) on the Merck web site [http://www.merck.com][[User:Nbauman|Nbauman]] 03:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== J. St. Amand ==<br />
Buy the rights to formulas of some of the most in-demand, expensive prescription medications so that generic manufacturers can start mass-producing them on the cheap. So many sick people go without prescription meds because they can't afford them until the copyright wears off.<br />
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== Useful Things ==<br />
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user manuals <br />
installation diagrams and instructions<br />
recipes<br />
chemical mixtures<br />
repair manuals (chilton, oem for cars, motorcycles)<br />
sheet music and samples<br />
out-of-print books<br />
maps (high res images)<br />
art (high res images)<br />
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== spending priorities ==<br />
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I would use the cash for the following:<br />
OED (First edition for the most part in the public domain) Just to allocate the cash to scan and enter it appropriately.<br />
Map data. I would take the vmap-1 data, or use the money to free it, and use it as the basis for a global map project.<br />
Norton Critical editions. I would attempt to create books based on the format of the norton critical editions using supplementary material to increase the value of already PD books.<br />
Webmuseum. Make a wiki version of the webmuseum and free all the rights to the pictures<br />
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What about the DSM? It would be a great addition to the psychology sections.<br />
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== Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine ==<br />
== Something newer than Gray's Anatomy -- maybe Netter's? ==<br />
== The pathologic basis of disease ==<br />
== Knuth's books on CS ==<br />
Excellent idea! This is probably the one set of books in Comp.Sci. that most deserves being available to everyone. --[[User:JerryJvL|JerryJvL]] 02:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Money a bad thing? ==<br />
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The handbooks sound good. Maps. <br />
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I enjoy contributing to wikiversity and hope it will not be replaced with purchased textbooks. We ended up with a better encyclopedia, and may well end up with something better than textbooks. Keep hope alive!<br />
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Maybe better to not buy anything and keep the wiki projects pure voluntary work. Use the money to keep the servers running and connected forever.<br />
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== ScienceDirect ==<br />
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I would like to suggest purchasing ScienceDirect, a database which currently "owns" a quarter of all scientific journals. This would cost far more than a 100 million dollars but it would place scientific knowledge into the hands of the public that would previously have to be paid for. The cost of accessing scientific journals is increasing rapidly and libraries are having a hard time keeping up with the rising price. In most cases the studies published in these journals were funded with money from the U.S. government, it is paid for with taxpayer money. The results of the studies have to be purchased from corporations that make a profit off of what taxpayers fund. The purchase of ScienceDirect would help in efforts to keep knowledge free and open to everyone. The Public Library of Science (PLoS) has been trying to make "the world's scientific and medical literature a freely available public resource". The purchase of ScienceDirect would be an enormous step forward in making scientific and medical literature free to the public.<br />
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:not a good idea. Why purchase an old database why not create you own? Establish a peer-reviewd scientific publications system where you can publish!<br />
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== This opportunity may never come again- create an endowment for the long term ==<br />
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I'd reccomend using the money to create an endowment that would primarily fund the creation of new works. At 5% a year, that would be $5 million dollars a year that could fund authors, musicians, photographers, etc. to produce new content that Wikimedia (or some specially created organization) would own the copyright to. And that's the catch- because Wikimedia owns the copyright, it could lease exclusive sales rights to the new content to publishing companies for a limited time, say 5 years, and use the revenue recieved to either grow the endowment or fund the creation of even more works. In exchange for a delay of a couple years before the content is truly made free, you'd have a constantly growing source of funding for new content that's copyrighted for a sane amount of time, and you'd be providing a prominent example of alternative copyright regimes that the world as a whole should consider. <br />
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If licensing revenue on average paid for the creation costs of new works, and that money were plowed back into the creation of more works, the amount of revenue available to fund new works would double each year, from a starting value of $5 million. One compromise would be the need to at least partially target works that are commercially viable, such as music or documentaries, but that's just another way of saying that the foundation would have to target works that have popular demand, which is hardly a bad thing. And in return, you get a constantly growing body of new content distributed under free licenses (in exchange for being willing to wait a couple years before the work becomes free). In fact, the rate of growth itself accelerates, and hopefully, by releasing the works under a license that encourages the creation of derivative works that are also licensed freely, you encourage the creation of even more works through that mechanism as well. This scheme is thus "viral" in two ways.<br />
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I would definitely agree with this investment plan. Forgive the misqote, but, "interest is the most powerful force in the universe"; an investment body could purchase copyrights for years to come. With that said, I also advcate the purchase of the copyrights of textbooks, for use in the "seed" model proposed earlier. I've attempted to teach myself many things, basic electrical theory, Java, etc.; the lack of low level information that was oriented to a complete beginner was discouraging, and forced me to seek other sources of knowledge. The seed model releases essential information for beginners, and for experts (once the beginners get the ropes). Another thing that would be nice is a large sheet music archive; so much music is difficult to find, that is unless you belong to a conservatory or college of music. But, I can't emphasize enough the power of interest and investment. [[User:Dragoon235|Dragoon235]] 03:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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'''Seconded''' - I second this idea! Each year wikipedia could take applications from people for a grant to create new content. A bit like the google summer of code, except for new content. ~ Luke.<br />
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== [[W:user:Ravedave|Ravedave]] ==<br />
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* Audio and video content, and software to make them integrate better with wikipedia. Right now the content is pretty pitiful and running/creating it is a pain. <br />
* Is enabling the easier creation of free content as good as buying content? Arguably wiki software enabled wikipedia to become what it is, what could good A/V software do? <br />
*How much content from PBS and BBC could be purchased for $100M?<br />
* Finance creation of better SVG tools for creation of maps etc<br />
* A problem we have is getting good articles on topics people aren't very interested in, [[w:cone]] is a good example. The only way content is going to get created in these boring but useful areas is by paying people. <br />
* Finance the fulling of wikispecies to completeness. Finance pictures?<br />
* Buy WebMD and start a medical wiki.<br />
-[[W:user:Ravedave|Ravedave]]<br />
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== Public Textbooks for Mass Education ==<br />
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I personally believe that all of the world's problems are rooted in ignorance. Ignorance can be eroded by education. Therefore, education is powerful enough to act as the limiting step in evolution. Colleges have recognized that education is valuable and, as a result, prices have increased dramatically. Textbooks cost a hefty amount and tuition is entirely unreasonable (given that most professors simply guide students through a textbook). Textbook vendors are happy to meet the demand and release new editions for the sake of increasing revenue, even though few advances in knowledge are made in between releases. Together, these middle men (college administrators and textbook vendors) impede the progress of society by limiting access to knowledge through education. Thus, I think it makes sense to check their counterproductivity by releasing the most current, comprehensive academic material (textbooks) in a variety of fields into the realm of truly public information. And, after an effort has been made to organize it systematically, experts will be more willing to contribute cutting-edge information and maintain this current resource (just like the textbook seeder idea already contributed above). Then, the cost of a respectable erudition will be reduced to the cost of a computer and internet subscription. Career centers where people would like to join the workforce can expose these resources to interested individuals. Employed individuals will use the resource to update and/or keep up-to-date on recent developments. Private organizations may reward Wikipedia for cutting their training costs, increasing Wiki's turnaround to buy more material. And everyone that wants to change career paths will know that the only costs involved are time and patience. I also like the idea (already presented above) of dividing acquired material into a beginner section (for novices) and an intermediate section (for people in the field). This may be Wikipedia's chance to consolidate what's already been happening on thousands of blogs--discussion of contemporary issues in specialized fields.<br />
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Rebuttal against all above specialized requests: Many interests in detailed information are exclusive to a small number of people. If resources are directed to satisfying specific needs, the scope of the project becomes severely limited and all efforts, ultimately, useless. Textbooks offer a sufficiently broad collection of information to be the public springboard in our societal swimming pool. Everyone will benefit from the venture in some way and its utilitarian nature will adequately represent the Wikipedia community. That's my two cents. VIVA WIKIPEDIA!!!<br />
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== [[User:Barash|Barash]] ==<br />
Two primary ideas. The type of information I am always annoyed when it is not free is "how to books" information. I feel that everyone has the right to all of human knowledge, especially in practical matters. This wouldn't help wikipedia because how-to information is not allowed there, but one of the related projects which does allow how-to information would benefit greatly. Purchasing the rights to how-to books on cooking, self-defense, relationships, crafts, woodworking, and so on would be a great launching point for a wiki that could build upon the methods and improve them.<br />
The second idea is to get a competent musical orchestra, band, synthesizer arranger, etc., to perform notable works that the scores are out of copyright. The modern recorded performances of out-of copyright music are still under copyright, so nobody can hear Beethoven, the Pirates of Penzance, etc., freely, even though the scores belong to everyone. The millions could hire someone to perform the works and release them either to public domain or under a license that works for wiki. (Or, if more practical, the rights to existing recordings of the classic works could be purchased.)<br />
[[User:Barash|Barash]] [[User:Barash|Barash]] 03:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== The Pacesetter English Curriculum ==<br />
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Pacesetter English was/is a 12th grade English curriculum developed in the late 90's by The College Board as an alternative to the AP curriculum. It represented a large amount of R&D by leading academics and English teachers, incorporating contemporary literary theory in to a curriculum which addresses multimedia production and consumption as well as literature. However, it ultimately didn't fit The College Board's business model, apparently, since it didn't culminate in a specific standardized test, and once NCLB kicked in and AP's stature as the gold standard of rigorous high school curriculum went through the roof, Pacesetter English quickly became abandonware, and it is not commercially available today.<br />
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There is also a Pacesetter Math curriculum which I think shares the same fate, but I don't know anything about it.<br />
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== Don't buy, indemnify ==<br />
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Set up a fund to indemnify people who reproduce and distribute works whose copyright holders cannot be identified. The fund would only have to pay out in case people are are sued, which would probably be rare. Furthermore, the fund would have an interest in defending against abusive suits, which would tend to create a healthier atmosphere. <br />
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Right now copyright law has a chilling effect on anyone who cannot afford large legal bills (and maybe damages), so huge numbers of works are unavailable simply because their copyright status cannot be determined. <br />
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Relatedly, this fund could support efforts to identify copyright holders, and gain releases from them.<br />
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== Films, Drugs, and DNA ==<br />
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I would recommend purchasing the rights to some still copyrighted films in the National Film Archive. I also like the idea of buying the patents/copyrights on important drugs, genomes, treatments, etc. --[[User:Neo3DGfx|Neo3DGfx]] 03:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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=== Arthouse films! ===<br />
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: $100 million doesn't go very far when it comes to important drugs. Besides, the patents aren't all that long, at least not compared to copyrights. See the Gates foundation for details. I wonder how much great arthouse cinema you could buy for $100 million. Or whether it would be cheaper, as others have suggested, to purchase changes to copyright laws that liberate those works.<br />
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== Some thoughts. ==<br />
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I have a few suggestions - the first one is really easy. Make wikipedia easier for elderly people and people with age related disabilities to partake in. Think of all the knowledge that the elderly contain 'because they were there' that they cant share because of an obfusticated geek designed interface prevents them.<br />
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Second one is that if there are six human senses (taste, sight, touch, hearing, smell and emotion), why not work on developing an interface that allows some or all of those senses to be used (someone posted an idea on recording the musical greats which would be a start). Plain old black and white text was a marvel in gutenbergs time, but I suspect its not all that great for imparting knowledge. There are even pictures on the wiki that are plain and boring - convey no emotion or anything.<br />
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Thirdly, once you've figured out how to do that, why cant I see the information located on the globe (like the one that google earth uses). I want to zoom around the planet, click on a location, zoom in to the local park bench and see all the information related to that place (over time) - kind of like tagging grafiti.<br />
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I want to be able to tag locations with grafiti too - so I can contribute to my local neighbourhoods historical knowledge base. Make it so that each knowledge or social category tags a different virtual reality. So if I put my globe in the history reality - only historical information is shown. If its in the technical reality, then techy info. If its in the social networking reality, then I want to see the tags my friends left for me (and/or others).<br />
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Then, transpose that information so I can use my GPS device in my phone/pda so that the information is around me while I walk down the street in my local neighbourhood (History channel does an advert 'know where you stand' that shows someone on a beach in Normandy with the ghosts of soldiers running past).<br />
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All that technology is there now, so dont see why it isnt already being done. There is no point in storing lots of information if you are not intending to use it. Why not stick it out on the planet and let people interact with it daily if they want.<br />
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I think that starting a location without copyrights is the only real solution.<br />
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What you do is us 50 million to buy up old sea worthy vessels and put servers on them in international waters. Anchor them far from pirated shipping lanes. Then use the other half for buying off legistlatures for the next 20 years. By then people will be addicted and/or rely on it enough to need it more than their Fascist governments.<br />
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== Buy land to establish a state with no copyright==<br />
And he saw that the land was good.<br />
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The only problem with this is that, other than the logistics of finding a large enough plot, convincing everyone to move there, setting up infrastructure, etc, just to be copyright free, and then be able to transfer all the copyrighted stuff to be copied and distributed, considering that the country would most likely be embargoed by the us, how would the country defend itself? A country this small would have such great military defense that the RIAA itself could afford a militia to just take over it<br />
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== Is anyone actually reading the question? ==<br />
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The question was not "what should wikimedia do with a $100M windfall" but "Imagine there existed a budget of $100 million to purchase copyrights to be made available under a free license. What would you like to see purchased and released under a free license?"<br />
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I'm with those who would buy out scientific articles and bankrupt Elsevier et al. Another good thing would be to clear the copyrights for all masters/doctoral theses and make them easily available to the masses.<br />
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== Open Education==<br />
The concept of textbooks is too abstract. For 100 million you should sponsor an open source education. This software/data would be made available to anyone including the millions of laptops being developed for OLPC. All those laptops need quality software that will inform and educate future generations. <br />
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Don't buy copyrights to old textbooks that have boring ways to teach math and science. With multi-media, great writers and animators you could teach math, science, biology and history in a much more interactive, compeling and rich way then has ever been possible before. If we can educate the world the rest will follow.<br />
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== Open Sourced Hardware ==<br />
Purchase engineering firms and/or their designs & release under an open license. I imagine the open hardware movement would be invigorated much as the OSS movement was invigorated by Netscape releasing Mozilla code, or any of the other many Closed->Open Source success stories.<br />
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== MSDN ==<br />
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The MSDN library on Wikipedia would be very useful<br />
::I cant agree because its already accessible for free--[[User:80.221.27.231|80.221.27.231]] 06:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== A Well-Fed Populace is a Populace that is More Willing and Able to Learn and by Extension More Able to Lobby for Copyright Reform ==<br />
FACT: many in the world are starving, hungry, under-nourished or malnourished.<br />
FACT: people are more willing and able to learn, a higher-order need, when they have fulfilled their lower-order needs, such as hunger<br />
FACT: 100 million dollars would buy AT LEAST 100 million tacos (Taco Bell/soft taco/Oct 2006 menu prices[U.S.]); given economic analysis of bulk purchases and developments, it is REASONABLE to assume that 100 million dollars MAY VERY WELL buy many more tacos than even 100 million; 200, even 300 million tacos IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION.<br />
FACT: people LOVE tacos<br />
FACT: 300 million people that have just recieved a taco, GRATIS, would be much more willing and ABLE to march the streets of WASHINGTON demanding the ABOLISHMENT of COPYRIGHT on books.<br />
FACT: there is an old chinese proverb: 'teach a man to fish, and he will eat fish. therefore we must FEED THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA TACOS UNTIL OUR LEADERS make copyright A THING OF the PAST.' and it is with this wise proverb that I rest my case.<br />
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== Newspapers ==<br />
I agree with many of the comments about purchasing/gathering newspaper archives. Factiva and Lexis-Nexis go a long way in providing this information, for a price. By having this information open and free in wikipedia, other users can translate, fill in any missing gaps, or provide context to other wikipedia articles.<br />
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Best of all, Wikipedia would have a database of highly trusted sources that could be cited in the wikipedia articles. Several times I have seen the hyperlinks expire for existing sources. Having newspaper archives in wikipedia would go a long way in solving this problem.<br />
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I'm sure there are other good ideas for this information.<br />
::I am not sure about the world wide situation of this but at least Finnish main library archives all finnish and major other newspapers for open access.--[[User:80.221.27.231|80.221.27.231]] 06:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Voting Machine software ==<br />
Diebold and the rest of them: Purchase the companies and open-source the software.<br />
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== Codecs ==<br />
mp3, video codecs, etc.<br />
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Why bother with inferior codecs that put to waste the talents of artists. FLAC is already free and superior, as well as many other codecs.<br />
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== Happy Birthday Song ==<br />
The song "Happy Birthday to you..." is still under active copywrite which is why you will never hear it on TV, Radio, etc. If there is any cash spare this would be a good one to purchase.<br />
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== The genome for genetically modified plants ==<br />
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I'm told that farmers have to purchase every year seeds for crops because the seeds are trapped under copyright...<br />
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== Building codes/copyrighted law ==<br />
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In many areas of the United States and probably elsewhere in the world, some portions of the law (particularly building codes) reference copyrighted material which is not readily available to the average home handyman. This has the net effect of making many kinds of self-performed home improvement illegal since there is no way for those of us who wish to do such work to know what the legal requirements are.<br />
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While there's no reason these should have ever been allowed to be closed in the first place, opening them up again is something I believe many people would appreciate.<br />
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Maybe the top so many textbooks in major college courses. that way, you get students not to spend as much and they might contriubute back. [[User:129.98.122.211|129.98.122.211]] 05:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)poor college student<br />
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==Free academic journal access for the public==<br />
Make most or influential academic papers open to the public, i.e., current papers in science, social sciences, and humanities.<br />
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== Attract more interest and... ==<br />
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Buy LexisNexus. <br />
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I'm amazed at this point that Google has not approached LexisNexus and purchased them. But, there is a massive wealth of information there. Just WestLaw, which I believe is owned by LexisNexus now is a massive collection of Law materials. <br />
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So, take that $100 million, and use it to attract other capitol and then purchase LexisNexus and open up it's huge database. Given what they charge for access to the system, it would probably take upwards of 10x the initial amount to purchase their system, but getting that type of capitol from subscribers would be extremely easy if you promised them cheap/free access in the future. <br />
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Other than that, purchasing satelite imagery, or world street level maps (is it insane that a CD of US Street level maps from Garmin is over $100?). <br />
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Or, start a legal, public, abandon ware system. Hire an individual to contact software companies and purchase the source for abandoned software, then open it up. Eudora worked out in the long run, seemingly. But, what about other software that just rots away in the basement of MS, Symantec, or Sierra? <br />
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Lastly, and perhaps one of the most useful: a public, open, free typography library. Something that can be used in education that is comparible to Adobe Type Set. <br />
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Good luck!<br />
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:: I second the law material purchase, great idea - [[w:User:Ravedave]]<br />
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== Lets not waste the cash on stuff that's hip == <br />
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- I'll be frank here, there is really no need to waste money on some of the overpriced media and mickey mouse stuff .. really a lot of the stuff people are asking for are already available in some form on the net for free viewing. We can assume if they can access wikimedia they can access the net. What we need are comprehensive modern texts in the major fields that will be of maximum jumpstart use to those who need the most assistance. If copyright holders dont wish to release the copyrights to top selling books, we can offer cash to individuals/authors to devclop a textbook from scratch (i reckon we'll find the top selling books will be high school/college level so authors wont be that hard to find). I reckon the following: $5 million budget for modern up to date textbooks on mathematics from the kindergarten level to a level needed to get a Bachelor's degree in Mathematics. So then other fields as well: $20 Mil for Physics. Chemistry, Biology, Microbiology, computational biology (bioinformatics). Another $10 mil for medicine, pharmaceutical knowledge. Also, we need to spend $15 mil on agriculture techniques, urban planning. And of course we need to get the latest texts in civil engineering, mechanical engineering, communications, electrical and computer engineering: $25 mil. Then of course we also need texts of economics, public speaking, project management, computer graphics, computer game making, computer security (let's only spend $10 mil on these total). My grand total? $85 mil. *gulp* I really hope I overestimated the amount of money needed for these. Maybe it will only cost a fifth of the total. But I really would like to see this stuff made available. Cant we just pay the respective experts/NOBEL LAUREATES in each field $1 million each to write us a text book? That would drop my total to a mere $20 million. One other thing .. we should make sure we are getting the latest of whatever fields (unless it can easily be updated).<br />
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:Commissioning textbooks seems like a good way to do it. It should be cheaper than buying copyrights from a publishing house, and may be more tightly targeted to whatever is seem to be the 'market.' If these textbooks were wikified, it seems that there would have to be a slightly different editing procedure, with, perhaps, greater expert oversight. Not in line with the principles of wikimedia, perhaps, but editing content that is already at a very high level is different from creating content from scratch. [[User:Samgra|Samgra]]<br />
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== Why not use the money to buy a small island nation, base Wikipedia there, and reject the notion of copyright entirely? No intellectual property laws, no problems. ==<br />
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1. Legal Classics &mdash; Classic Textbooks<br />
With Latin characters intact and hyperlinks for content, table of cases, index, interlinked sections and footnotes(though Project Gutenberg has some great legal classics, plain vanilla text makes it impossible to read.)<br />
In real world, many legal classics are very hard to get and the available ones are usually very expensive(maybe because market is lesser) and even though many(/most of) books are in public domain now, cheaper reprints are very rare(at least very hard to get in Asia, Africa and Australian continents!)<br />
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2. Classics in Criminology, Sociology (like Edwin H. Sutherland' on Criminology, which introduced the concept of White Collar Crime)<br />
There is hardly any access to quality books on Social Sciences for a student/enthusiast from a small town(other than in USA and some parts of Europe and Australia, where you have a public library network that works).<br />
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3. Sponsor digitisation of literature(in public domain) in Indian and other South Asian Languages(get the books scanned, transcription can be done/managed by the community, which is already active in maintaining Wikipedia in their respective languages.)<br />
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::The idea of forming a nation has been discussed before on this page. Problem would be to found the infstrastructure of that nation. Also defending the country against US's "liberation" operations would be impossible.<br />
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== ravi's Wishlist ==<br />
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1. Legal Classics &mdash; Classic Textbooks<br />
With Latin characters intact and hyperlinks for content page, table of cases, index, interlinked sections and footnotes(though Project Gutenberg has some great legal classics, plain vanilla text makes it impossible to read.)<br />
In real world, many legal classics are very hard to get and the available ones are usually very expensive(maybe because the market is less) and even though many(/most of) books are in public domain now, cheaper reprints are very rare(at least very hard to get in Asia, Africa and Australian continents!)<br />
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2. Classics in Criminology, Sociology (like Edwin H. Sutherland' on Criminology, which introduced the concept of White Collar Crime)<br />
There is hardly any access to quality books on Social Sciences for a student/enthusiast from a small town(other than in USA and some parts of Europe and Australia, where you have a public library network that works).<br />
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3. Sponsor digitisation of literature(in public domain) in Indian and other South Asian Languages(get the books scanned, transcription can be done/managed by the community, which is already active in maintaining Wikipedia in their respective languages.)<br />
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== [http://www.arkive.org/ Arkive] ==<br />
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* There are many wildlife movies here. These movies would make excellent additions to the articles about animals. I doubt that the Wikipedia community could ever create such movies themselves (in a reasonable span of time). [[User:85.147.58.212|85.147.58.212]] 05:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Servers / storage / bandwith / gps receivers for OpenStreetMap.org ==<br />
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The OpenStreetMap project would need more of the above to reach sensible speeds in rendering updates and map viewing, so as to be on par with google maps.<br />
Also, we'd need gps receivers so as to be able to lend them out to interested people at mapping parties all around the world.<br />
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== Openlocalhistory? Openlocal geography? ==<br />
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I think using the money to devlop a wiki so that people who have historical knowledge of local area's can add their knowedge to the wiki, also perhaps a system for adding photographys of your local town/city /enviroment and allowing annotation would be good, would also allow for intergration to a openlocalhistory system.<br />
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As for purchasing core works i beleive this to be a very good idea, not much has changed in computing fundamentals and there are alot of other areas where this approach would be usefull.<br />
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Also purchasing the rights to the human genome and updating any information found about the specific function of genes would be very usefull .<br />
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== Music, poetry and the Beeb ==<br />
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I would go for the archives and countries of the world and try to get as much as music as possible, which has predated the 20th century. Be this world music, "folk music" or classical music. It would contain the music, the scores to the music and the possible lyrics to the songs.<br />
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Other nice thing would be to get as much poetry as possible to the open. Poetry is rather short and light stuff, local deals could be done in all the wikipedia countries as poetry is global. Then after that, projects to translate the texts would start. <br />
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And finally, buy the BBC. :)<br />
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== Maps ==<br />
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Maps of the world would be nice.<br />
::I agree that we need some good high res maps/satellite images - i am sure we can get these for reasonable price. But also putting effort in finding the cheapest offer and being able to decide what maps/satellite images to buy would be very hard task. --[[User:80.221.27.231|80.221.27.231]] 06:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Entire taxons ==<br />
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Buy up the scientific pieces for identification of new species, for each species (including publications with taxon or identification keys). Then use the rest of the money to take pictures or obtain pictures of each species. That way every biologist on the planet could theoretically identify every species they have. -[[:en:User:Kugamazog|Kugamazog]]<br />
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== Scientific whitepapers ==<br />
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There are thousands of useful and quality scientific whitepapers hidden behind subscription website/magazines.<br />
Buy copyright for these subscriptions. Make them available to the world. <br />
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Here's one particular target: http://www.acm.org/<br />
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== OOP ==<br />
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There are many things that are in print that cost a fortune, but even worse is that there are recordings and manuscripts and books that are out of print but still copywritten. In a digital age where it would cost little to nothing to bring these works back from the vault, many are left to die. Out of print material is at the greatest risk of being lost--recordings, sheet music, books, etc. Try to find a recording of Berio's "Cries of London"! It should be against the law to retain copyright on something when it's been gone for too long!<br />
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== Abandonware games, Da Vinci or Music? ==<br />
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Lets buy abandonware game titles and create a WikiOSS... And on further reflection why limit i to just games, any other applications could be good as well... Okay, I recognise that this might not be the best way of spending the cash... Maybe digitized versions of Da Vinci's works would be good... Or perhaps create a reposatory of musical works (WikiMuse anybody?), think Bach, Mozart and Beethoven... And what about recordings that are in the public domain? --[[User:K33l0r|K33l0r]] 07:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== en:ciphergoth - Photographs and maps ==<br />
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I'm surprised that people want to buy textbooks. We have many textbook-quality articles already, and the number grows all the time. That's material we don't need to license, because we can create it ourselves. What we need is the material that we cannot create, that can only be licensed. Photographs fall into that category, as does some map data. Let's buy a huge chunk of [[en:Corbis]]. - ciphergoth [[User:82.70.194.38|82.70.194.38]] 07:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Classical music ==<br />
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There's a bunch of "classical music" works that are actually copyrighted by the composer. Average citizen probably defines classical music in two ways: "that violin-torturin' art music that was composed by some old, now decomposing, composer" ''and'' "probably out of copyright by now". But surprising amount of what passes these days as "classical music" was actially done in the 20th century. A lot of what I ''wish'' were included in [http://www.mutopiaproject.org/ Mutopia] cannot be added there, on the grounds that the original composition is still copyrighted.<br />
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You think the case of ''[[#Happy Birthday Song|Happy Birthday To You]]'' is pathetic and iconic to copyright shackledom? How about the fact that [[:en:Jean Sibelius|Sibelius]]' music is really dear and important to Finns, and is still copyrighted? (Yeah, the guy was deep in debt when he died, but I suppose those have been paid, many times over.) Luckily [[:en:Fredrik Pacius|Pacius]] died a bit earlier...</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=V%C3%A4%C3%A4r%C3%A4_versio&diff=435384Väärä versio2006-09-16T17:50:28Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Lisäohjeita Jimbolta */</p>
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'''Väärä versio''' on versio, johon artikkeli [[:fi:Wikipedia:Suojatut sivut|suojataan]] [[:fi:Wikipedia:Muokkaussota|muokkaussodan]] seurauksena. Tiedossa ei ole yhtään tapausta, jossa olisi onnistuttu suojaamaan oikea versio.<br />
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Jos muokkaamasi sivu on suojattu ''väärään versioon'', muista, että tärkeintä on huomauttaa suojauksen tehnyttä ylläpitäjää siitä, että kyseessä on ''väärä versio''. Sinun kannattaa muistuttaa ylläpitäjää niistä vakavista seurauksista, jotka suojaaminen ''väärään versioon'' aiheuttaa, ja vaatia, että sivu suojataan välittömästi ''oikeaan versioon''. Jos ylläpitäjä kieltäytyy, on suositeltavaa vaatia ylläpitäjän ylläpito-oikeuksien poistoa. Vähintään kannattaa valittaa asiasta [[:fi:Keskustelu Wikipediasta:Suojatut sivut|suojattujen sivujen keskustelusivulle]], artikkelin [[:fi:Wikipedia:Keskustelusivu|keskustelusivulle]], ja ylläpitäjän keskustelusivulle. Voit myös yrittää sähköpostin lähettämistä kyseiselle ylläpitäjälle ja muille satunnaisesti valituille ylläpitäjille. Myös [[:fi:Jimmy Wales|Jimbo]] on kiinnostunut ongelmasta, joten jätä viesti hänen keskustelusivulleen ja vaadi ongelman korjaamista. Äläkä unohda postituslistoja tai [[:fi:Wikipedia:IRC|IRCiä]], levittämällä valitustasi mahdollisimman laajalle alueelle annat hyvän vaikutelman itsestäsi. Lakiuhkaukset ovat joskus tarpeen &mdash; keskusrikospoliisi ja Euroopan ihmisoikeustuomioistuin saattavat olla kiinnostuneita tapauksesta.<br />
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==Esimerkkejä valituksesta==<br />
Säästät aikaa käyttämällä seuraavia mallivalituksia. Kaikki ovat todellisia esimerkkejä englannin- tai suomenkielisestä Wikipediasta.<br />
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*[Käyttäjä] on vandaali. Ole hyvä ja palauta artikkeli [toisen käyttäjän] viimeiseen muokkaukseen.<br />
*Jäädyttämällä [artikkelin] muotoon jota [käyttäjä] yrittää runnoa läpi, otat käytännössä hänen puolensa kiistassa. Vaadin että palautat artikkelin tilaan jossa se oli ennen kuin [käyttäjä] alkoi sekoilla sen kanssa, ja suojaat artikkelin.<br />
*Tiedämme molemmat että ei ole yhteensattumaa että suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon.<br />
*Suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon selvästi koska olette molemmat [ natseja | kommunisteja | vapaamuurareita | oikeustoradikaaleja | liberaalisekoja | radikaalifeministeja | sionistejä | skientologeja | anti-amerikkalaisia | amerikkalaisia | ruotsinkielisen mafian palkkalistoilla ] – kiellä vaan.<br />
*On mahdotonta saavuttaa konsensus oikeasta versiosta kun artikkeli on suojattu väärään versioon. Koko Wikipedian uskottavuus on vaakalaudalla, jos sanomalehdet kuulevat, että Wikipedia on julkaissut väärän version. Artikkeli pitää siksi välittömästi korjata.<br />
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== Terminologiaa ==<br />
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* '''Konsensusversio''': Se versio, mikä ei tällä hetkellä ole suojattuna.<br />
* '''Viitteetön epäneutraali lisäys''': Kaikki muutokset, mitä on tehty sivuun, jonka suojaus poistettiin vastikään, tai joka tullaan pian suojaamaan<br />
* '''Natsi''': 1. Kuka hyvänsä joka suojaa tai muokkaa sivua, joka koskee uskontoa tai Euroopan maantiedettä. 2. Wikipedian käyttäjä, jolla on ylläpito-oikeudet.<br />
* '''NPOV-muokkaus''': Mikä hyvänsä muokkaus, jota itse teet sivuun. Erittäin käyttökelpoinen esimerkiksi muokkausyhteenvedoissa.<br />
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== Lisäohjeita Jimbolta ==<br />
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Haluaisin antaa hieman lisävihjeitä ihmisille, jotka kääntyvät suoraan minun (Jimbo) puoleeni.<br />
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Ensinnäkin, on erittäin tärkeää että kirjoitat vähintään kuusi sivua tekstiä, jossa selität ja puolustat sitä versiota, joka on mielestäsi oikea. Mitä yksityiskohtaisempi selitys, sen parempi. Olen erittäin kiinnostunut kaikkien vähemmän tunnettujen <del>Saksan</del> <del>Puolan</del> Preussin jokien nimistä. Kerro myös Bigfootin pään muodoista. Minä olen selkeästi paras ihminen päättämään, mikä on totta.<br />
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Toiseksi, kaikki tietävät että minulle on rutiinia pakottaa artikkeli näyttämään täsmälleen sellaiselta mitä haluat. Blokkaan pitkäaikaisia käyttäjiä ja ylläpitäjiä jos sille päälle satun, ihan vain jos joku sinun kaltaisesi pyytää sitä. Muista vain pyytää rohkeasti.<br />
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Kolmanneksi, parempi kun et vain pyydä, pikemminkin vaadi. Uhkaa poislähdöllä jos asiat eivät korjaannu 24 tunnissa. Tämä toimii aina.<br />
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Neljänneksi, jos tiedät että henkilökohtaiset poliittiset sympatiani ovat samat kuin sinulla, saat aivan vapaasti haukkua vastustajiasi. Esimerkiksi, koska olen yleisellä tasolla Israelin puolella, voit aivan vapaasti haukkua Israeliin kriittisesti suhtautuvia ihmisiä "Natseiksi". Innostun varmaan niin, että blokkaan heidät. Hitto, saatanpa kirjoittaa uutta MediaWiki-koodia, joka mahdollistaa sen, että vain sinä ja haluamasi henkilöt voivat muokata sivuja!<br />
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Ja lopuksi, jos jostain käsittämättömästä syystä en toimi kuten viisas ehdotuksesi edellyttää, muista kertoa kaikille että Wikipedia on huijausta ja vain jokin halpa keino kerätä rahaa. Se on kapitalistisen riiston väline. Se on liberaalien leikkikenttä jossa ei ole standardeja. Se pohjautuu kommunismin periaatteisiin. Se on kollektivistinen. Se on individualistinen. Se on tarpeeton. Se olisi tärkein asia maailmassa, jos vain minä en ryssisi koko hommaa. Siinäpähän vanha Jimbon jäärä saa sitten kuulla kunniansa paremmiltaan!<br />
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&mdash; Jimbo Wales 6. helmikuuta 2004, 13:32 UTC<br />
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[[Category:Community]]</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=V%C3%A4%C3%A4r%C3%A4_versio&diff=435383Väärä versio2006-09-16T17:49:38Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Lisäohjeita Jimbolta */ laatikko ja viilausta</p>
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[[Image:The Wrong Version.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Varoituskuva, jonka voi näppärästi lisätä suojattuun väärään versioon.]]<br />
'''Väärä versio''' on versio, johon artikkeli [[:fi:Wikipedia:Suojatut sivut|suojataan]] [[:fi:Wikipedia:Muokkaussota|muokkaussodan]] seurauksena. Tiedossa ei ole yhtään tapausta, jossa olisi onnistuttu suojaamaan oikea versio.<br />
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==Valittaminen==<br />
<br />
Jos muokkaamasi sivu on suojattu ''väärään versioon'', muista, että tärkeintä on huomauttaa suojauksen tehnyttä ylläpitäjää siitä, että kyseessä on ''väärä versio''. Sinun kannattaa muistuttaa ylläpitäjää niistä vakavista seurauksista, jotka suojaaminen ''väärään versioon'' aiheuttaa, ja vaatia, että sivu suojataan välittömästi ''oikeaan versioon''. Jos ylläpitäjä kieltäytyy, on suositeltavaa vaatia ylläpitäjän ylläpito-oikeuksien poistoa. Vähintään kannattaa valittaa asiasta [[:fi:Keskustelu Wikipediasta:Suojatut sivut|suojattujen sivujen keskustelusivulle]], artikkelin [[:fi:Wikipedia:Keskustelusivu|keskustelusivulle]], ja ylläpitäjän keskustelusivulle. Voit myös yrittää sähköpostin lähettämistä kyseiselle ylläpitäjälle ja muille satunnaisesti valituille ylläpitäjille. Myös [[:fi:Jimmy Wales|Jimbo]] on kiinnostunut ongelmasta, joten jätä viesti hänen keskustelusivulleen ja vaadi ongelman korjaamista. Äläkä unohda postituslistoja tai [[:fi:Wikipedia:IRC|IRCiä]], levittämällä valitustasi mahdollisimman laajalle alueelle annat hyvän vaikutelman itsestäsi. Lakiuhkaukset ovat joskus tarpeen &mdash; keskusrikospoliisi ja Euroopan ihmisoikeustuomioistuin saattavat olla kiinnostuneita tapauksesta.<br />
<br />
==Esimerkkejä valituksesta==<br />
Säästät aikaa käyttämällä seuraavia mallivalituksia. Kaikki ovat todellisia esimerkkejä englannin- tai suomenkielisestä Wikipediasta.<br />
<br />
*[Käyttäjä] on vandaali. Ole hyvä ja palauta artikkeli [toisen käyttäjän] viimeiseen muokkaukseen.<br />
*Jäädyttämällä [artikkelin] muotoon jota [käyttäjä] yrittää runnoa läpi, otat käytännössä hänen puolensa kiistassa. Vaadin että palautat artikkelin tilaan jossa se oli ennen kuin [käyttäjä] alkoi sekoilla sen kanssa, ja suojaat artikkelin.<br />
*Tiedämme molemmat että ei ole yhteensattumaa että suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon.<br />
*Suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon selvästi koska olette molemmat [ natseja | kommunisteja | vapaamuurareita | oikeustoradikaaleja | liberaalisekoja | radikaalifeministeja | sionistejä | skientologeja | anti-amerikkalaisia | amerikkalaisia | ruotsinkielisen mafian palkkalistoilla ] – kiellä vaan.<br />
*On mahdotonta saavuttaa konsensus oikeasta versiosta kun artikkeli on suojattu väärään versioon. Koko Wikipedian uskottavuus on vaakalaudalla, jos sanomalehdet kuulevat, että Wikipedia on julkaissut väärän version. Artikkeli pitää siksi välittömästi korjata.<br />
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== Terminologiaa ==<br />
<br />
* '''Konsensusversio''': Se versio, mikä ei tällä hetkellä ole suojattuna.<br />
* '''Viitteetön epäneutraali lisäys''': Kaikki muutokset, mitä on tehty sivuun, jonka suojaus poistettiin vastikään, tai joka tullaan pian suojaamaan<br />
* '''Natsi''': 1. Kuka hyvänsä joka suojaa tai muokkaa sivua, joka koskee uskontoa tai Euroopan maantiedettä. 2. Wikipedian käyttäjä, jolla on ylläpito-oikeudet.<br />
* '''NPOV-muokkaus''': Mikä hyvänsä muokkaus, jota itse teet sivuun. Erittäin käyttökelpoinen esimerkiksi muokkausyhteenvedoissa.<br />
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== Lisäohjeita Jimbolta ==<br />
(Käännös englanninkielisestä viestistä [[The Wrong Version]]-artikkelissa)<br />
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Haluaisin antaa hieman lisävihjeitä ihmisille, jotka kääntyvät suoraan minun (Jimbo) puoleeni.<br />
<br />
Ensinnäkin, on erittäin tärkeää että kirjoitat vähintään kuusi sivua tekstiä, jossa selität ja puolustat sitä versiota, joka on mielestäsi oikea. Mitä yksityiskohtaisempi selitys, sen parempi. Olen erittäin kiinnostunut kaikkien vähemmän tunnettujen <del>Saksan</del> <del>Puolan</del> Preussin jokien nimistä. Kerro myös Bigfootin pään muodoista. Minä olen selkeästi paras ihminen päättämään, mikä on totta.<br />
<br />
Toiseksi, kaikki tietävät että minulle on rutiinia pakottaa artikkeli näyttämään täsmälleen sellaiselta mitä haluat. Blokkaan pitkäaikaisia käyttäjiä ja ylläpitäjiä jos sille päälle satun, ihan vain jos joku sinun kaltaisesi pyytää sitä. Muista vain pyytää rohkeasti.<br />
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Kolmanneksi, parempi kun et vain pyydä, pikemminkin vaadi. Uhkaa poislähdöllä jos asiat eivät korjaannu 24 tunnissa. Tämä toimii aina.<br />
<br />
Neljänneksi, jos tiedät että henkilökohtaiset poliittiset sympatiani ovat samat kuin sinulla, saat aivan vapaasti haukkua vastustajiasi. Esimerkiksi, koska olen yleisellä tasolla Israelin puolella, voit aivan vapaasti haukkua Israeliin kriittisesti suhtautuvia ihmisiä "Natseiksi". Innostun varmaan niin, että blokkaan heidät. Hitto, saatanpa kirjoittaa uutta MediaWiki-koodia, joka mahdollistaa sen, että vain sinä ja haluamasi henkilöt voivat muokata sivuja!<br />
<br />
Ja lopuksi, jos jostain käsittämättömästä syystä en toimi kuten viisas ehdotuksesi edellyttää, muista kertoa kaikille että Wikipedia on huijausta ja vain jokin halpa keino kerätä rahaa. Se on kapitalistisen riiston väline. Se on liberaalien leikkikenttä jossa ei ole standardeja. Se pohjautuu kommunismin periaatteisiin. Se on kollektivistinen. Se on individualistinen. Se on tarpeeton. Se on tärkein asia maailmassa, jos vain minä en ryssisi koko hommaa. Siinäpähän vanha Jimbon jäärä saa sitten kuulla kunniansa paremmiltaan!<br />
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&mdash; Jimbo Wales 6. helmikuuta 2004, 13:32 UTC<br />
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[[Category:Community]]</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wwwwolf&diff=435362User talk:Wwwwolf2006-09-16T17:37:43Z<p>Wwwwolf: My talk page.</p>
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<div>In the unlikely event you probably want to contact me about Meta matters, note that I probably reply faster if you comment on [[:en:User talk:Wwwwolf|my Wikipedia user page]].<br />
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----</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=V%C3%A4%C3%A4r%C3%A4_versio&diff=435355Väärä versio2006-09-16T17:32:29Z<p>Wwwwolf: /* Lisäohjeita Jimbolta */</p>
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<div>''Muilla kielillä: [[The Wrong Version|english]], [[La Mauvaise Version|fran&ccedil;ais]],[[Die falsche Version| Deutsch]], [[La versione sbagliata|italiano]]''<br />
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[[Image:The Wrong Version.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Varoituskuva, jonka voi näppärästi lisätä suojattuun väärään versioon.]]<br />
'''Väärä versio''' on versio, johon artikkeli [[:fi:Wikipedia:Suojatut sivut|suojataan]] [[:fi:Wikipedia:Muokkaussota|muokkaussodan]] seurauksena. Tiedossa ei ole yhtään tapausta, jossa olisi onnistuttu suojaamaan oikea versio.<br />
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==Valittaminen==<br />
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Jos muokkaamasi sivu on suojattu ''väärään versioon'', muista, että tärkeintä on huomauttaa suojauksen tehnyttä ylläpitäjää siitä, että kyseessä on ''väärä versio''. Sinun kannattaa muistuttaa ylläpitäjää niistä vakavista seurauksista, jotka suojaaminen ''väärään versioon'' aiheuttaa, ja vaatia, että sivu suojataan välittömästi ''oikeaan versioon''. Jos ylläpitäjä kieltäytyy, on suositeltavaa vaatia ylläpitäjän ylläpito-oikeuksien poistoa. Vähintään kannattaa valittaa asiasta [[:fi:Keskustelu Wikipediasta:Suojatut sivut|suojattujen sivujen keskustelusivulle]], artikkelin [[:fi:Wikipedia:Keskustelusivu|keskustelusivulle]], ja ylläpitäjän keskustelusivulle. Voit myös yrittää sähköpostin lähettämistä kyseiselle ylläpitäjälle ja muille satunnaisesti valituille ylläpitäjille. Myös [[:fi:Jimmy Wales|Jimbo]] on kiinnostunut ongelmasta, joten jätä viesti hänen keskustelusivulleen ja vaadi ongelman korjaamista. Äläkä unohda postituslistoja tai [[:fi:Wikipedia:IRC|IRCiä]], levittämällä valitustasi mahdollisimman laajalle alueelle annat hyvän vaikutelman itsestäsi. Lakiuhkaukset ovat joskus tarpeen &mdash; keskusrikospoliisi ja Euroopan ihmisoikeustuomioistuin saattavat olla kiinnostuneita tapauksesta.<br />
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==Esimerkkejä valituksesta==<br />
Säästät aikaa käyttämällä seuraavia mallivalituksia. Kaikki ovat todellisia esimerkkejä englannin- tai suomenkielisestä Wikipediasta.<br />
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*[Käyttäjä] on vandaali. Ole hyvä ja palauta artikkeli [toisen käyttäjän] viimeiseen muokkaukseen.<br />
*Jäädyttämällä [artikkelin] muotoon jota [käyttäjä] yrittää runnoa läpi, otat käytännössä hänen puolensa kiistassa. Vaadin että palautat artikkelin tilaan jossa se oli ennen kuin [käyttäjä] alkoi sekoilla sen kanssa, ja suojaat artikkelin.<br />
*Tiedämme molemmat että ei ole yhteensattumaa että suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon.<br />
*Suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon selvästi koska olette molemmat [ natseja | kommunisteja | vapaamuurareita | oikeustoradikaaleja | liberaalisekoja | radikaalifeministeja | sionistejä | skientologeja | anti-amerikkalaisia | amerikkalaisia | ruotsinkielisen mafian palkkalistoilla ] – kiellä vaan.<br />
*On mahdotonta saavuttaa konsensus oikeasta versiosta kun artikkeli on suojattu väärään versioon. Koko Wikipedian uskottavuus on vaakalaudalla, jos sanomalehdet kuulevat, että Wikipedia on julkaissut väärän version. Artikkeli pitää siksi välittömästi korjata.<br />
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== Terminologiaa ==<br />
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* '''Konsensusversio''': Se versio, mikä ei tällä hetkellä ole suojattuna.<br />
* '''Viitteetön epäneutraali lisäys''': Kaikki muutokset, mitä on tehty sivuun, jonka suojaus poistettiin vastikään, tai joka tullaan pian suojaamaan<br />
* '''Natsi''': 1. Kuka hyvänsä joka suojaa tai muokkaa sivua, joka koskee uskontoa tai Euroopan maantiedettä. 2. Wikipedian käyttäjä, jolla on ylläpito-oikeudet.<br />
* '''NPOV-muokkaus''': Mikä hyvänsä muokkaus, jota itse teet sivuun. Erittäin käyttökelpoinen esimerkiksi muokkausyhteenvedoissa.<br />
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== Lisäohjeita Jimbolta ==<br />
(Käännös englanninkielisestä viestistä [[The Wrong Version]]-artikkelissa)<br />
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Haluaisin antaa hieman lisävihjeitä ihmisille, jotka kääntyvät suoraan minun (Jimbo) puoleeni.<br />
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Ensinnäkin, on erittäin tärkeää että kirjoitat vähintään kuusi sivua tekstiä, jossa selität ja puolustat sitä versiota, joka on mielestäsi oikea. Mitä yksityiskohtaisempi selitys, sen parempi. Olen erittäin kiinnostunut kaikista vähemmän tunnetuista joista <del>Saksassa</del> <del>Puolassa</del> Preussissa. Kerro myös Bigfootin pään muodoista. Minä olen selkeästi paras ihminen päättämään, mikä on totta.<br />
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Toiseksi, kaikki tietävät että minulle on rutiinia pakottaa artikkeli näyttämään täsmälleen sellaiselta mitä haluat. Blokkaan pitkäaikaisia käyttäjiä ja ylläpitäjiä jos sille päälle satun, ihan vain jos joku sinun kaltaisesi pyytää sitä. Muista vain pyytää rohkeasti.<br />
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Kolmanneksi, parempi kun et vain pyydä, pikemminkin vaadi. Uhkaa poislähdöllä jos asiat eivät korjaannu 24 tunnissa. Tämä toimii aina.<br />
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Neljänneksi, jos tiedät että henkilökohtaiset poliittiset sympatiat ovat samat kuin sinulla, saat aivan vapaasti haukkua vastustajiasi. Esimerkiksi, koska olen yleisellä tasolla Israelin puolella, voit aivan vapaasti haukkua Israeliin kriittisesti suhtautuvia ihmisiä "Natseiksi". Innostun varmaan niin, että blokkaan heidät. Hitto, saatanpa kirjoittaa uutta MediaWiki-koodia, joka mahdollistaa sen, että vain sinä ja haluamasi henkilöt voivat muokata sivuja!<br />
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Ja lopuksi, jos jostain käsittämättömästä syystä en toimi kuten viisas ehdotuksesi edellyttää, muista kertoa kaikille että Wikipedia on huijausta ja vain jokin halpa keino kerätä rahaa. Se on kapitalistisen riiston väline. Se on liberaalien leikkikenttä jossa ei ole standardeja. Se pohjautuu kommunismin periaatteisiin. Se on kollektivistinen. Se on individualistinen. Se on tarpeeton. Se on tärkein asia maailmassa, jos vain minä en ryssisi koko hommaa. Siinäpähän vanha Jimbon jäärä saa sitten kuulla kunniansa paremmiltaan!<br />
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&mdash; Jimbo Wales 6. helmikuuta 2004, 13:32 UTC<br />
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[[Category:Humor]]<br />
[[Category:Community]]</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=V%C3%A4%C3%A4r%C3%A4_versio&diff=435352Väärä versio2006-09-16T17:31:01Z<p>Wwwwolf: terminologia ja Jimbon kommentti</p>
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<div>''Muilla kielillä: [[The Wrong Version|english]], [[La Mauvaise Version|fran&ccedil;ais]],[[Die falsche Version| Deutsch]], [[La versione sbagliata|italiano]]''<br />
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[[Image:The Wrong Version.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Varoituskuva, jonka voi näppärästi lisätä suojattuun väärään versioon.]]<br />
'''Väärä versio''' on versio, johon artikkeli [[:fi:Wikipedia:Suojatut sivut|suojataan]] [[:fi:Wikipedia:Muokkaussota|muokkaussodan]] seurauksena. Tiedossa ei ole yhtään tapausta, jossa olisi onnistuttu suojaamaan oikea versio.<br />
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==Valittaminen==<br />
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Jos muokkaamasi sivu on suojattu ''väärään versioon'', muista, että tärkeintä on huomauttaa suojauksen tehnyttä ylläpitäjää siitä, että kyseessä on ''väärä versio''. Sinun kannattaa muistuttaa ylläpitäjää niistä vakavista seurauksista, jotka suojaaminen ''väärään versioon'' aiheuttaa, ja vaatia, että sivu suojataan välittömästi ''oikeaan versioon''. Jos ylläpitäjä kieltäytyy, on suositeltavaa vaatia ylläpitäjän ylläpito-oikeuksien poistoa. Vähintään kannattaa valittaa asiasta [[:fi:Keskustelu Wikipediasta:Suojatut sivut|suojattujen sivujen keskustelusivulle]], artikkelin [[:fi:Wikipedia:Keskustelusivu|keskustelusivulle]], ja ylläpitäjän keskustelusivulle. Voit myös yrittää sähköpostin lähettämistä kyseiselle ylläpitäjälle ja muille satunnaisesti valituille ylläpitäjille. Myös [[:fi:Jimmy Wales|Jimbo]] on kiinnostunut ongelmasta, joten jätä viesti hänen keskustelusivulleen ja vaadi ongelman korjaamista. Äläkä unohda postituslistoja tai [[:fi:Wikipedia:IRC|IRCiä]], levittämällä valitustasi mahdollisimman laajalle alueelle annat hyvän vaikutelman itsestäsi. Lakiuhkaukset ovat joskus tarpeen &mdash; keskusrikospoliisi ja Euroopan ihmisoikeustuomioistuin saattavat olla kiinnostuneita tapauksesta.<br />
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==Esimerkkejä valituksesta==<br />
Säästät aikaa käyttämällä seuraavia mallivalituksia. Kaikki ovat todellisia esimerkkejä englannin- tai suomenkielisestä Wikipediasta.<br />
<br />
*[Käyttäjä] on vandaali. Ole hyvä ja palauta artikkeli [toisen käyttäjän] viimeiseen muokkaukseen.<br />
*Jäädyttämällä [artikkelin] muotoon jota [käyttäjä] yrittää runnoa läpi, otat käytännössä hänen puolensa kiistassa. Vaadin että palautat artikkelin tilaan jossa se oli ennen kuin [käyttäjä] alkoi sekoilla sen kanssa, ja suojaat artikkelin.<br />
*Tiedämme molemmat että ei ole yhteensattumaa että suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon.<br />
*Suojasit artikkelin [käyttäjän] versioon selvästi koska olette molemmat [ natseja | kommunisteja | vapaamuurareita | oikeustoradikaaleja | liberaalisekoja | radikaalifeministeja | sionistejä | skientologeja | anti-amerikkalaisia | amerikkalaisia | ruotsinkielisen mafian palkkalistoilla ] – kiellä vaan.<br />
*On mahdotonta saavuttaa konsensus oikeasta versiosta kun artikkeli on suojattu väärään versioon. Koko Wikipedian uskottavuus on vaakalaudalla, jos sanomalehdet kuulevat, että Wikipedia on julkaissut väärän version. Artikkeli pitää siksi välittömästi korjata.<br />
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== Terminologiaa ==<br />
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* '''Konsensusversio''': Se versio, mikä ei tällä hetkellä ole suojattuna.<br />
* '''Viitteetön epäneutraali lisäys''': Kaikki muutokset, mitä on tehty sivuun, jonka suojaus poistettiin vastikään, tai joka tullaan pian suojaamaan<br />
* '''Natsi''': 1. Kuka hyvänsä joka suojaa tai muokkaa sivua, joka koskee uskontoa tai Euroopan maantiedettä. 2. Wikipedian käyttäjä, jolla on ylläpito-oikeudet.<br />
* '''NPOV-muokkaus''': Mikä hyvänsä muokkaus, jota itse teet sivuun. Erittäin käyttökelpoinen esimerkiksi muokkausyhteenvedoissa.<br />
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== Lisäohjeita Jimbolta ==<br />
(Käännös englanninkielisestä viestistä [[The Wrong Version]]-artikkelissa)<br />
<br />
Haluaisin antaa hieman lisävihjeitä ihmisille, jotka kääntyvät suoraan minun (Jimbo) puoleeni.<br />
<br />
Ensinnäkin, on erittäin tärkeää että kirjoitat vähintään kuusi sivua tekstiä, jossa selität ja puolustat sitä versiota, joka on mielestäsi oikea. Mitä yksityiskohtaisempi selitys, sen parempi. Olen erittäin kiinnostunut kaikista vähemmän tunnetuista joista <del>Saksassa</del> <del>Puolassa</del> Preussissa. Kerro myös Bigfootin pään muodoista. Minä olen selkeästi paras ihminen päättämään, mikä on totta.<br />
<br />
Toiseki, kaikki tietävät että minulle on rutiinia pakottaa artikkeli näyttämään täsmälleen sellaiselta mitä haluat. Blokkaan pitkäaikaisia käyttäjiä ja ylläpitäjiä jos sille päälle satun, ihan vain jos joku sinun kaltaisesi pyytää sitä. Muista vain pyytää rohkeasti.<br />
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Kolmanneksi, parempi kun et vain pyydä, pikemminkin vaadi. Uhkaa poislähdöllä jos asiat eivät korjaannu 24 tunnissa. Tämä toimii aina.<br />
<br />
Neljänneksi, jos tiedät että henkilökohtaiset poliittiset sympatiat ovat samat kuin sinulla, saat aivan vapaasti haukkua vastustajiasi. Esimerkiksi, koska olen yleisellä tasolla Israelin puolella, voit aivan vapaasti haukkua Israeliin kriittisesti suhtautuvia ihmisiä "Natseiksi". Innostun varmaan niin, että blokkaan heidät. Hitto, saatanpa kirjoittaa uutta MediaWiki-koodia, joka mahdollistaa sen, että vain sinä ja haluamasi henkilöt voivat muokata sivuja!<br />
<br />
Ja lopuksi, jos jostain käsittämättömästä syystä en toimi kuten viisas ehdotuksesi edellyttää, muista kertoa kaikille että Wikipedia on huijausta ja vain jokin halpa keino kerätä rahaa. Se on kapitalistisen riiston väline. Se on liberaalien leikkikenttä jossa ei ole standardeja. Se pohjautuu kommunismin periaatteisiin. Se on kollektivistinen. Se on individualistinen. Se on tarpeeton. Se on tärkein asia maailmassa, jos vain minä en ryssisi koko hommaa. Siinäpähän vanha Jimbon jäärä saa sitten kuulla kunniansa paremmiltaan!<br />
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&mdash; Jimbo Wales 6. helmikuuta 2004, 13:32 UTC<br />
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[[Category:Humor]]<br />
[[Category:Community]]</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wrong_Version&diff=427543The Wrong Version2006-09-05T18:05:44Z<p>Wwwwolf: Finnish version</p>
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<div>''Other languages: [[Die falsche Version|Deutsch]], [[La Mauvaise Version|Français]], [[La versione sbagliata|Italiano]], [[:fi:Wikipedia:Väärä versio|Suomi]]''<br />
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[[Image:The Wrong Version.jpg|thumb|right|300px|A helpful label for affixing to any articles you find locked at the Wrong Version.]]<br />
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'''The Wrong Version''' is the version of a page that is [[en:Wikipedia:This page is protected|protected]] following a [[en:Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars ever|lame edit war]]. There are no reports of a [[sysop]] ever having protected the "right" version.<br />
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==Where to complain==<br />
If a page you are working on is protected on The Wrong Version, remember that it is essential that you inform the [[en:Wikipedia:Administrators|sysop]] who protected it that they protected The Wrong Version. You should point out the dreadful consequences of the page remaining on The Wrong Version, and insist they immediately revert to the right version. If they refuse, it is recommended that you ask for them to be [[en:Wikipedia:Possible misuses of sysop rights|de-sysopped]]. At a bare minimum, you must list them on the [[en:Wikipedia:problem users|problem users]] page. In addition, complaints should be made about the state of the page on [[en:Wikipedia:Protected page]], the article's talk page, the talk page of the sysop who protected it and [[en:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]]. You could also try emailing the sysop concerned, and even random sysops who you think might like to know about this dreadful occurrence. Another excellent idea is to contact [[:en:User:Jimbo|Jimbo]] on his talk page and ask him to fix it. And of course, don't forget the [[mailing list]]s; by cross-posting to any list that looks remotely useful you will leave a favorable impression with as many people as possible. Some legal threats or lawyer letters are sometimes advisable; FBI, European Court of Justice or Sacra Rota might also find your complaint really interesting.<br />
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==How to complain==<br />
Remember that it is likely the sysop who protected The Wrong Version did this out of personal malice against you. At the very least, always remember that no sysop ever protects a page unless he or she is involved in the dispute and prefers the content in one version over another.<br />
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If you can find obscure policies that show how wrong the protected version is, these should be brought to the community's attention. If Jimbo remarked on the issue at hand, or made a post 5 years ago to Usenet that seems vaguely relevant, make sure to cite it. Equally, you should try to prove that the version protected is actually the work of a vandal.<br />
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In the rare case that a page is protected on the right version, it is recommended you keep quiet. After all, you are probably wrong, as pages are always protected on The Wrong Version.<br />
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== Boilerplate complaints ==<br />
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You can save time in your complaints by using the following boilerplate messages. All are based on actual examples.<br />
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* You are not only acting in a gratuitously non-neutral manner over [article]; you are also protecting a version which is not in line with [[en:Wikipedia:naming conventions (places)]].<br />
* [User] is a vandal. Please revert to the last edit by [other user].<br />
* By freezing [article] in the form [user] is trying to impose on it, you are effectively taking his side in this dispute. I request that you put the article back the way it was before [user] started messing with it and then protect it.<br />
* I think however it would have been better to have protected it on the version before [user] [list the terrible things the other user did here]. [User]'s highly POV version is now left as the official Wikipedia version, unable to be corrected by anyone.<br />
* I request you to check out both versions and consider releasing the page as not doing so would be tantamount to rewarding [user] and his friends' aggressive editing.<br />
* We both know that it is no coincidence that you protected [user]'s version.<br />
* Obviously, you protected [user]'s version because you are both [Nazis|Communists|Freemasons|Right-wing extremists|Liberal wackjobs|radical Feminists|Zionists|Scientologists|anti-Zionists|anti-American|American]—deny it all you want.<br />
* Why did you protect [article] on a version vandalized by [User]? This constitutes blatant vandalism. It should be treated as such, not as an edit war.<br />
* You've agreed with that user before on [different article]. You're biased. Your protection is a violation of Wikipedia policy.<br />
* This page is protected in an effort to maintain the bad reporting and to extend bias and propaganda. I doubt anything discussed here will result in any major improvements to this rag of an article because the administrator(s) are hopelessly POV. They impose martial law because they are unwilling to admit that their position is weak. We can argue about the situation forever, but there is no doubt in my mind that unless you agree with the major contributors of this rag you will never get appeasement.<br />
* I accuse you of being biased and having deliberately protected THE WRONG PAGE.<br />
* The fact that the article has been frozen in its current unencyclopedic and POV state is emblematic of the [anti-black|anti-white|anti-grey-with-purple-spots|etc] bias of this website when it comes to such matters. I have not used this term on this page before, but I will use it now. Wikipedia is '''racist''' to the core. This is a perfect object lesson in how its [[Wikipedia:Systemic_bias|systemic bias]] works. When obstructionist elements cannot refute objective information, they work to label it, mischaracterize it, smear it. This is unmitigated bull -- and emblematic of the racist dysfunctionality of this website.<br />
* It is impossible to attempt to reach consensus on the right version while the wrong version is protected. The very credibility of Wikipedia is at stake, if the newspapers learn that Wikipedia has published the wrong version, and the page must therefore be corrected immediately, if not sooner.<br />
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== Terminology ==<br />
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:''(Pronunciations are given in the SOUP-er-DOOP-er phonetic alphabet, which is way cooler than IPA.)''<br />
*''Consensus version'' ("kon-sen-sus ver-zhin") The version of a page that is not presently protected<br />
*''POV without reference'' ("pee-oh-vee with-owt ref-rinse") Any addition made to a page recently unprotected, or about to be protected<br />
*''Nazi'' ("naht-see") Anyone who protects any page vaguely related to religion, or European geography, or edits any such page. Also, any Wikipedian with administrative rights.<br />
*''NPOV edit'' ("en-pee-oh-vee ed-it") Any change to a page made by you. Useful in edit summaries. <br />
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''See also'' [[Protected pages considered harmful]], [[Edit wars]], [[Automatic edit war squashing]].<br />
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== Involving Jimbo ==<br />
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I'd like to add some additional recommendations for people who'd like to appeal such cases directly to me (Jimbo).<br />
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First, it's very important that you write me a minimum of six pages of text explaining and defending the version that you prefer. The more tedious details, the better. I'm specifically keenly interested in the names of obscure rivers in <s>Germany</s> <s>Poland</s> Prussia. Also, be sure to write to me about the shape of Bigfoot's head. I really am the person to make a decision about that.<br />
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Second, everyone knows that I make it a routine practice to force articles to read exactly the way that you like. I also ban longtime users and sysops whenever I feel like, just based on the say-so of people just like you. So be sure to ask for that.<br />
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Third, better yet, don't ask for it, demand it. Threaten to leave if I don't comply within 24 hours. That always works.<br />
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Fourth, if you happen to know that I'm personally politically sympathetic to your point of view, feel free to call your opponents names. For example, since I'm generally sympathetic to Israel, feel free to call anyone who has written anything critical of Israel a "Nazi." I'll get so excited that I'll probably ban them. Heck, I might even write new code in the software to only let you and people you approve edit the pages!<br />
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And finally, if for some insane reason I don't act on your wise proposals, tell everyone that you know that Wikipedia is all a scam to make money. It's a tool of capitalist oppression. It's a liberal playground with no standards. It's based on the principles of communism. It's collectivist. It's individualist. It's useless. It's the most important thing in the world, except for me screwing it up. That'll show old Jimbo who he's messing with!<br />
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== Invoking the Cabal ==<br />
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The single most effective way to override this sort of atrocious sysop abuse of power is to go straight to head of the serpent. The [[w:WP:CABAL|Cabal]] is the well known source of power and influence through out all wikidom, and it is regularly acknowledged that their favor can be bought to help resolve these issues. There are a number of ways to win over the assistance of the Dark Lords of Wiki:<br />
# The most popular is to threaten to expose them and make outrageous claims about who their members include. Jimbo is the most obvious and most common choice. By declaring on as many talk pages as possible (in CAPS) that Jimbo Wales is a member of The Cabal and is only interested in perpetuating its power over the entire web (and eventually the Real World, too), you're sure to scare up some support from The Cabal, just to shut you up and avoid further scandal. Think of it as hush money.<br />
# A more obscure but highly underrated method is to pretend to be a part of The Cabal. By threatening to use your power and authority to de-sysop the offending sysops, or to ban other users, you may very well confuse the simple minded Cabalites into believing that you really are one of them, and therefore deserve their support.<br />
# Remember, The Cabal is a Satanic group of pinko-commi Nazis, so various forms of black magic incantations and mystic symbols can help summon the neccessary power to control them.<br />
# Also remember that the power of The Cabal lies in its minions. That's you. The fewer minions they have, the less power they have, so '''always''' threaten to leave Wikipedia if your ''demands'' are not met. Rest assured, you will be sorely missed.<br />
# In more extreme cases, you can represent an even bigger threat to their power by threatening not just to leave, but to take others with you and form a counter-power! You can download the MediaWiki software, and even the Wikipedia database of articles, so you can set up your own way better site and leech away all the editors that formerly supported the Cabal, and together form a new community dedicated to fighting the good fight; where no all-powerful Cabal can use martial law to make their will felt; where you and you alone have final say in everything that happens. <br />
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<div>'''If you need something changed here explain it here in detail and ask the help of a sysop on [[Meta:Requests for help from a sysop]] and link to it''<br />
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==request adding an entree==<br />
* xenwiki http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/$1<br />
* pfenz http://www.pfenz.de/wiki/$1 (a wiki for the German region Pforzheim/Enzkreis)<br />
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==How long does it take?==<br />
C'mon folks. Some of these entries have been on the list for weeks and are not functional yet. Can someone post how long this process takes please? --[[User:82.38.248.4|82.38.248.4]] 05:08, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Getting Wikipedia's Intermap ==<br />
Would it be possible to get the script that is scraping [[Interwiki map]] to regenerate Wikipedia's intermap released to the public?<br />
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:Since this is an old question, I'll answer it very briefly: I believe the script used to import this list into the database is in the CVS distribution (see http://mediawiki.org) - probably in the "maintenance" sub-directory. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 16:59, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Updating Wikipedia's Intermap ==<br />
How is Wikipedia's intermap updated? Is it related to the meta interwiki map? I added one here on the meta site and it doesn't seem to be effective anywhere at all. [[User:The Hokkaido Crow|The Hokkaido Crow]] 05:41, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I don't have permission to access the interwiki map - why has it been locked up? Can someone who has access please change OrganicDesign's URL format to www.organicdesign.co.nz/$1 ? thanks. [[User:Nad|Nad]] 01:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:OrganicDesign updated --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 20:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Discussion from the en.village pump==<br />
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As a contributor to both Wikipedia and Wikitravel, what is involved in getting Wikitravel mapped in Wikipedia's Interwiki system? I link a lot of Wikitravel articles to the Wikipedia article. I would like to link in the reverse direction. Is there a policy for this? What would the format be? Something like [[wikitravel:article name]] ? --[[User:Nzpcmad|Nzpcmad]] 07:51, 4 May 2004 (UTC)<br />
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: Unless I'm mistaken, isn't wikitravel not a wikimedia project, and not GFDL (it's attribution-sharealike, if memory serves). So the issue of how/whether to implement interwikis between the two is a political, not technical, one. I don't know if there's a formal policy on this, but it's noteworthy that no such extra-org interwikis currently exist. The best venue for this discussion is the [http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l wikimedia mailing list]. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter | Talk]] 11:07, 4 May 2004 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not true actually, e.g. <nowiki>[[meatball:UseRealNames]]</nowiki> works. A wikitravel shorthand seems reasonable, though there is nothing to stop editors using longhand links right now.<br />
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:::Indeed, we have a quite extensive set of InterWiki links - as mentioned on [[InterWiki]], according to which page ours is based on that provided by [[UseMod]] (but I'm not sure that's up to date). I fairly often use links to [[MeatBall:]], especially on [[meta:]] - I also note that [[Google:some search terms]] works, but the character escaping makes it fairly useless for anything other than single words - I fiddled, and the best I came up with was [[Google:some,search,terms,and-a-phrase]] which is about as ugly as copying and pasting the full URL :-( You can do [[Dictionary:word]] and [[Foldoc:foo]] as well.<br />
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:::But I'm wandering away from the point here - I'm not actually sure how and where the "InterMap" is defined on [[MediaWiki]], so I guess we need to ask a developer to add WikiTravel: to it and/or tell us how. In fact, I don't even know of anywhere that lists the InterWiki prefixes ''currently'' available... - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 18:42, 4 May 2004 (UTC)<br />
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::::Interwiki links are defined in a special table. It is very easy to add new ones (though it might be hard to add same ones on all Wikipedias). I guess that anyone with SQL access can see which interlinks exist. [[User:Nikola Smolenski|Nikola]] 23:02, 4 May 2004 (UTC)<br />
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I was talking to Sunir about this recently. Our [[interwiki]] map was just copied from the interwiki map at meatball. That map is not intended to be a common interwiki map for all wikis, it's intended to be a shortcut to sites which are often mentioned on Meatball. So what we need to do is to make our own map. I've made a start, at [[meta:Interwiki map]]. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 09:58, May 6, 2004 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, I tried this. This link [[WikiTravel:Wanaka]] still points to Wikipedia not to Wikitravel? What did I do wrong? --[[User:Nzpcmad|Nzpcmad]] 22:06, 6 May 2004 (UTC)<br />
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::You didn't do anything wrong - what ''Tim'' did wrong (no offense) was to simultaneously imply that that list was current ''and'' request edits to it. Since we don't have a [[MeatBall:FileReplacement]]-style system for automagically updating it, this is not the case. I added WikiTravel at the bottom of the list, but that doesn't mean anyone's put it into the actual database table.<br />
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::I was thinking, though, that perhaps a <tt>Special:</tt> page could be made that presented this information, and allowed it to be edited (by sysops, or even just stewards). Similarly for the interlanguage links, which need updating every now and then. Not a priority, I know, but one of those things that shouldn't really require hacking the database directly every time. It's a bit more than could be done with a <tt>MediaWiki:</tt> page, I gather, but it could have a similar editing interface (can Special pages have attached discussion? I don't think they can). [And yes, I know: put it on SourceForge, and preferably do it yourself; once I've finished my degree, I may well do both <tt>:)</tt>] - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 23:42, 6 May 2004 (UTC)<br />
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==Open for suggestions?==<br />
I found this page referred to from en:Wikipedia:Village Pump. But is this open to suggestions/ requests from other language wikipedias? <br />
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Or nobody knows at this point? [[User:Tomos|Tomos]] 04:27, 8 May 2004 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe it is open for suggestions. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 22:31, 11 May 2004 (UTC)<br />
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==What about WikiCanada?==<br />
I'd like to know if some links to [http://en.wikicanada.org WikiCanada] would be possible? The [http://www.wikicanada.org french version] is bigger tho. Maybe could be added to both? the en. and fr. of wikipedia. Actually, since I'm using mediawiki and didn't touch the original InterWiki map, there's already a link to wikipedia. What you think about it? [[fr:Utilisateur:SergeLéonard|SergeLéonard]]<br />
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*That URL has a DNS failure, at least today, at least from my part of the Internet... --[[User:Jan Steinman|Jan Steinman]] 18:40, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Category:InterWiki and / or Template:InterWiki ==<br />
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*Halló, this seems the most important source for InterWiki related issues. What about having a [[:Category:InterWiki]] and / or a [[Template:InterWiki]] with the most important items on this subject? Regards [[User:Gangleri]] [[User:84.135.50.170|84.135.50.170]] 13:30, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br />
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:Please use spelling Interwiki.--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 08:21, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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::Why? ''InterWiki'' is the more common spelling, due to the use of CamelCase in the wikis from which the cocept originated. In a plain English context, the most natural spelling wouuld probably be "inter-wiki", but it seems "InterWiki" and "interwiki" are the accepted spellings. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 12:10, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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== other InterWiki's ==<br />
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*What about making an InterWiki to irc.freenode.net? Maybe some references to [[IRC]] ([[IRC#How to connect (short_version)|How to connect]]), [[freenode]] would be usedfull too. It could used at many places as ''irc.freenode.net #fr.wikipedia'' and so on. Please make a proposal about the syntax. Regards [[User:Gangleri|[[{{ns:User}}:Gangleri|Gangleri]] | [[{{ns:User_talk}}:Gangleri|T]] | [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Gangleri|action=history}} Th]]] 03:56, 2004 Nov 15 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure how worthwhile this would be to be honest. External links to IRC aren't that hard to make (e.g. irc://irc.freenode.net/fr.wikipedia should work), and having an interwiki prefix pointing to one particular IRC server would seem to be bordering on bias of some kind. Also, my personal suspicion is that not many people know about the interwiki mappings we ''already'' have, so such a shortcut probably wouldn't be used much anyway. As for "some references to...", I'm not sure what you mean, but it doesn't sound like something that can be achieved using an interwiki map. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 12:18, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks IMSoP for the answer. I was thinking about the different levels of skills of the contributors / participants at wiki projects. Not all have knowledge of IRC, some prefer to use (earlier) [[:en:instant messenger|instant messenger]]s. Sometimes chatting is more efficient then exchanging messages at the talk pages. This is why I think that IRC should be more promoted (maybe prefered).<br />
::I did not use [[:en:Mozilla Firefox|Mozilla Firefox]] very much in the past but I will use it more often also because of better support of [[:en:Unicode|Unicode]] characters. Before I was not avare of the different icons available for the different protocols<br />
:::[[:en:HTTP|HTTP]] as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page<br />
:::[[:en:IRC|IRC]] as irc://irc.freenode.net/mediawiki<br />
:::[[:en:FTP|FTP]] as ftp://ftp.gimp.org/<br />
::and so on. I noticed that this is represented differently in MS IE and in (Firefox and / or Navigator) etc. Regards [[User:Gangleri|[[{{ns:User}}:Gangleri|Gangleri]] | [[{{ns:User_talk}}:Gangleri|T]] | [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Gangleri|action=history}} Th]]] 03:57, 2004 Nov 20 (UTC)<br />
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== What about THIS site? ==<br />
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Is there some reason this site is not itself included in the map?<br />
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I added "Meta http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/$1" to my interwiki map, and redirected the help links to "Meta:Help:Contents" after going crazy trying to copy the endless network of help files into my wiki.<br />
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:Actually, it is, using the more canonical (though sort of out of date) prefix "MetaWikiPedia:". The short-form "meta:" is dealt with seperately like all such abbreviated links between [[Wikimedia]] projects - which also include things like w:, b:, s:, and m:, which would be annoying for people outside Wikimedia to have to keep "tripping over". "Meta" could mean all sorts of things outside of a Wikimedia context - even here, I notice interwikis for [[Metaweb:]] and [[MetaWiki:]]. <br />
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:I say it's "sort of out of date" because it dates to when there was only "WikiPedia" and "MetaWikiPedia" to worry about (note that the [[w:CamelCase|CamelCase]]-ness is so that it's consistent with wikis where links ''have'' to look like that); if we could magically change the convention for the whole WikiWorld, it would be better to have something like "WikiMediaMeta:".<br />
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:But basically, you can do what you like with ''your'' intermap, this is just for maintaining the one used on the [several hundred!] Wikimedia wikis. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 17:14, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Updates ==<br />
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how often are the mappings copyed over? KinkoBlast -(EN-Wikipedia and Creatures Wiki{on wikicities})<br />
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:I also would like to know this. [[User:Alphax|Alphax]] 09:34, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Why isn't this page protected? [[User:Ambush Commander|Ambush Commander]] 20:11, 10 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::This page isn't protected so that people can actually edit it. It uses [[Wikipedia:File Replacement]] methods. The problem is - it seems - that it only updates the interwiki table after a set time that this page has not been edited. I think it should rather be that once it is patrolled the file is updated. OR someone should just post saying "This table is copied to the database X number of days after it is changed. For this reason - please only make changes on MONDAY to allow time for the changes to propoage. If you make changes on a day other than MONDAY you will be messing it up foreveryone." or have a Sysop protect the page on every day but the "edit day" and have the "edit day" be advertised on the page itself... --[[User:Ryan Gardner|Ryan Gardner]] 07:55, 23 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::::Rubbish. It works by file replacement on Meatball, it has never done so here. It used to be updated whenever a new wiki was created via the "create wiki" button. This was left unstated because I didn't want anyone to realise that they could predict when updates would occur and thus vandalise the real list. Since automatic wiki creation was disabled, updates have been very rare, probably only a couple of times in the last 6 months. Updates will continue to be invoked manually for the time being. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 10:43, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== addition ==<br />
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I just added my wiki ([http://www.wikiveg.org wikiveg.org]) to the list, which I hope is OK. It is going (I think) to become the "canonical" English-language vegan/vegetarian/animal rights wiki, so there could potentially be a lot of linkage from any animal-, animal product-, vegetarian-, vegetable-, etc. -related Wikipedia articles to wikiveg. If it isn't OK (dunno what the policy is) [[w:User talk:Zach Alexander|let me know]]. [[User:Zach Alexander|Zach]] 00:54, 24 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I also dare to add a (already somewhat developped) wiki to the list: [http://ka.stadtwiki.net Stadtwiki Karlsruhe]. [[:de:Benutzer:Ikar.us]], 30 May 2005<br />
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==Existing templates and external links==<br />
I recently discovered this db of external/internal wikilinks. My original concerns were of the IMDB interwiki link, as there are already two templates in Wikipedia in use "imdb name" & "imdb title". These I feel better facilitate an external reference to a site than an interwiki. With the templates, they are easily modified on Wikipedia, and they inform the reader that its an external site, before the click on it. The IMDB interwiki, is confusing and redundant for those reasons. Is there going to be a policy on what links should and should not be made interwiki's? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Who User:Who on Wikipdeia] <s>(generic sig) [[User:69.180.99.231|69.180.99.231]] 20:29, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)</s> [[User:Who|<font color=#FF0033><></font>Who]][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%20talk:Who<font color=#00Ff00>?</font><font color=#FF00FF>&iquest;</font><font color=#0033FF>?</font>] 20:55, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Updates (cont'd)==<br />
Coming here from recently finding a 'new' wiki to edit ''(I am such an edit-slut ;-)'' I note that if it is the case that ''It only updates the interwiki table after a set time that this page has not been edited.'' then maybe the '''list''' should be held separately (eg. [[Interwiki map/list]]) from the content and just included in the main page so that the clock isn't reset every time someone edits the comment text. Most of the recent edits haven't been adding new wikis to the list but have had the effect of not permitting the replace to take place, such that new links added nearly a month ago here still haven't made it to the working links. --[[User:Vampwillow|VampWillow]] 17:38, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:There is no clock, there never has been a clock, see above. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 10:43, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Altering output text ==<br />
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I understand that if I make a link to <nowiki>wikipedia:Foo</nowiki> then it shows up as [[:wikipedia:Foo]]. But is there any way to make it show up as [[:wp:Foo]] instead? Having that whole big long word 'wikipedia' in there really breaks up the appearance of the page. I am using MediaWiki of course. --[[en:User:Etoile|Etoile]] 29 July 2005<br />
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:Well, like with any link you can use a [[Help:piped link|piped link]] - so <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Foo|wp:Foo]]</nowiki> shows up how you wanted - [[Wikipedia:Foo|wp:Foo]]. But if you're looking for something that ''automatically'' does that, then no. Sorry. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 21:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==[MW] - merriam-webster vs. MediaWiki==<br />
<nowiki>[[MW]]</nowiki> is a link to http://www.merriam-webster.com/ at present, but it should be better one to [http://www.mediawiki.org MediaWiki.org] - especially if I think about this case in the long run, it affects the very own interests of Wikimedia. <br />
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So, is there a possibility to find out how many sites and/or pages actually use this link and change the entries to a new link form, let's say <nowiki>[[MWebster]]</nowiki> or so? <nowiki>[[MediaWiki]]</nowiki> will be available after the next update, anyway. --[[User:Bdk|<font color=#116611>:Bdk:</font>]] 14:09, 26 August 2005 (UTC)<br />
:It ended up as M-W:. Thank you [[wikipedia:Spider-Man|Hyphen-Man]]. --[[User:Damian Yerrick|Damian Yerrick]] 20:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== IMDb updated ==<br />
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I've changed IMDB to "IMDbTitle http://www.imdb.com/title/tt$1" and added "IMDbName http://www.imdb.com/name/nm$1" [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord <font color="FF0000">C</font><font color="EE0000">y</font><font color="DD0000">b</font><font color="CC0000">e</font><font color="BB0000">r</font><font color="AA0000">S</font><font color="990000">k</font><font color="880000">u</font><font color="770000">l</font><font color="660000">l</font>]] [[User_talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 07:30, 27 August 2005 (UTC)<br />
: Further tweaked to add the trailing "/". Might save an HTTP redirect at IMDb's end. --[[User:84.67.200.151|84.67.200.151]] 20:56, 23 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
Does the use of an interwiki link for IMDb mean you don't get an external link icon? Can't say I approve of that - as a reader I've found the lack of an icon on Wikipedia's IMDb links a little odd. --[[User:KJBracey|KJBracey]] 15:37, 24 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:: I think we should get rid of IMDb links, too, and have people use the templates instead. No reason to have it look like an internal link when it's not even a wiki. Besides that, it doesn't appear that Cyberskull found all of the old <nowiki>[[imdb:...]]</nowiki> links and corrected them when this sweeping change was made (unless he did not delete the old imdb interwiki entry) [[User:24.130.109.70|24.130.109.70]] 07:43, 6 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Interwiki link inconsistency==<br />
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I notice that "Wikibooks" is mapped to<br />
''<nowiki>http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/$1</nowiki>'', but "Wikisource" is mapped to ''<nowiki>http://wikisource.org/wiki/$1</nowiki>''. Any reason not to map Wikisource to ''<nowiki>http://</nowiki>'''''en'''''<nowiki>.wikisource.org/wiki/$1</nowiki>''? (I expect that the majority of content there is indeed in English.) [[User:Jnc|Jnc]] 20:47, 12 September 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Wikipedia missing from Interwikimap ==<br />
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I found wikipedia itself missing from the map after I had installed. So I had to insert it manually:<br />
INSERT INTO interwiki VALUES('wikipedia','http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1',0,0 );<br />
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== Someone changed SEEDS to IslandSeeds! ==<br />
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I put SEEDS on this way back in March 2005 or so. SEEDS is the common abbreviation of the official name of the Saltspring Ecovillage Education and Development Society. seeds.org was not available, so we registered islandseeds.org for a domain name.<br />
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Now it appears someone has gone and changed our intemap key to "IslandSeeds" from "SEEDS"! This has broken interlinks what we had published on a number of wikis!<br />
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Does this reflect some sort of policy? Or was it just someone "being thoughful"? :-)<br />
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I'm going to change it back to SEEDS now, so the interlinks we have on other wikis will begin working again. --[[User:Bytesmiths|Bytesmiths]] 19:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Google ==<br />
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As someone mentioned above, using the interwiki link for google is almost useless. Rather than url-encoding the words, it separates any words with underscores. So, instead of searching for "testing testing", it will search for "testing_testing". Is there anything we can do to get around this?<br />
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I have to admit this is really frustrating as I thought I had a solution only to be dashed at the last. Utilising the HTML-encoded form of a most characters will work. For example, <nowiki>[[Google:testing&amp;#37;testing]]</nowiki> yields [[Google:testing&#37;testing]] - part way to producing the necessary %20 for a URL-encoded character in the link. Trouble is <nowiki>[[Google:testing&amp;#37;20testing]]</nowiki> just gets [[Google:testing&#37;20testing]]. --[[User:Barthax|Barthax]] 13:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Aha!!! [[Google:testing+test]] Substitute spaces with + & Google does the rest. --[[User:Barthax|Barthax]] 11:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Good. However, it seems more like a work-around rather than the ideal solution. What would it involve to make it so that [[Google:All your base]] works as expected? I found [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2005-March/004199.html two proposed solutions] in the Wikimedia mail archives. Will someone please verify if either or both work, and which is better. --[[User:Jcarroll|Jcarroll]] 01:52, 28 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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The patch in that link is good & does indeed work well with spaces from my preliminary testing. Note that the link shows code from an older version of the wiki & is no longer exact. A quick patch file which should work with any recent wiki version is as follows (I don't know enough about patch files to be 100% certain).<br />
<pre><nowiki>--- includes/Title.php 2006-03-13 14:47:38.000000000 +0000<br />
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if ( '' != $this->mFragment ) {<br />
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If someone is a member of the wiki list mentioned by Jcarroll, please feel free to post this minor update to Thad Kerosky's original. --[[User:Barthax|Barthax]] 16:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== sysop lock? ==<br />
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Looks like this page has been locked? Wanted to add new mediawiki<br><br />
VinOpinions --> http://vinopinions.org <br><br />
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any other facility for adding to this list?<br />
[[User:VinOpinions|VinOpinions]] 22:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:From the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&user=&page=Interwiki+map protection log]:<br />
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:[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion VIBBER]] protected [[Interwiki map]] (''Never ever unlock this page [edit=sysop:move=sysop]'')<br />
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:Meatball rejected the [[Meatball:PublicallyEditableInterMap|PublicallyEditableInterMap]], and Oddmuse wikis [http://www.oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/wiki/URL_Abbreviations automatically lock their interwiki maps], and their are plenty of reasons not to allow random users to add wikis, but I do not understand why MetaWikipedia protected this page without giving the reason at this page. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 06:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::The map is automatically inserted on the database. It's extremely insecure to leave it unlocked, and it was used to create a JavaScript injection vector. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|brion]] 06:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::I will have to agree that protecting this page is probably a good idea. This page is just as sensitive as a MediaWiki page. If vandals could inject JavaScript, they could compromise accounts. Also, vandals could trick users into visiting shock sites. The results would be pretty ugly - no pun intended. --[[User:169.229.98.90|169.229.98.90]] 10:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interwiki_map&diff=prev&oldid=287921 This edit] created the "JavaScript injection vector". Ouch! That might have allowed someone to use an interwiki link to steal my login cookies... I hope Brion was not too late in locking the page. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 04:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==New to Add==<br />
So the Side is locked for normal users, I put it here for an admin to update it:<br />
* New Wiki: http://mosapedia.de/wiki/index.php - Name: ''MosaPedia''<br />
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**added; | MosaPedia || http://mosapedia.de/wiki/index.php/$1 --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 20:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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* ''KnowHow''-Wiki don't works, ''LutherWiki'' the same. [[User:Kenwilliams|Kenwilliams]] 12:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
**I only edit the page. You need to find out what is wrong and provide the correct url syntax and I will update the page. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 20:42, 11 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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* Videoville: Change to http://www.videoville.org/wiki/index.php/$1<br />
** done --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 20:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
* OrganicDesign: Change to http://www.organicdesign.co.nz/$1 [[User:Nad|Nad]] 19:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
** done --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 20:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::Hello. Somebody at Home? [[User:Kenwilliams|Kenwilliams]] 16:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::Must I beg? [[User:Kenwilliams|Kenwilliams]] 19:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Please also add the following:<br />
* fr.be http://fr.wikinations.be/$1<br />
* fr.fr http://fr.fr.wikinations.org/$1<br />
[[User:Pcarbonn|Pcarbonn]] 11:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Provide decent interwiki names. "fr.be" and "fr.fr" will not do. Like "Wikinations-fr-be" or so. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 20:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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And please add this (german) wiki:<br />
*AmeisenWiki http://www.ameisenwiki.de<br />
:Thank you. [[User:84.179.240.217|84.179.240.217]] 15:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::What is the syntax? Is it http://www.ameisenwiki.de/index.php/$1 ? --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 20:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Please add this wiki of wikis:<br />
*WikiIndex http://wikiindex.com/$1<br />
:Thank you. [[User:BlankVerse]] 07:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Please delete the Videoville entry<br><br />
I've also put this request [http://www.videoville.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Kevathens here]. Thx for your help.<br />
--[[User:Kevathens|Kevathens]] 12:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:done --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 21:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Please add this wiki:<br />
*Tokyo-Nights http://wiki.tokyo-nights.com/wiki/$1<br />
:Thanks --[[User:FFW|FFW]] 19:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== VLOS ==<br />
<br />
Could a sysop please consider adding the [http://www.thuvienkhoahoc.com/ Vietnamese Library of Science] to the interwiki map? It's a MediaWiki-based project that has close ties to the Vietnamese Wikipedia, since most of its members are also active members at vi:, and it was started by one of our sysops. The link would expand:<br />
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<nowiki>[[VLOS:$1]]</nowiki><br />
<br />
To link to <code><nowiki>http://www.thuvienkhoahoc.com/tusach/$1</nowiki></code>. Thanks!<br />
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&nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 20:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:done --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 20:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== The Windows Documentation Project ==<br />
<br />
The Windows Documentation Project's listing should be <code><nowiki>http://twdp.havenite.net/?title=$1</nowiki></code>, not <code><nowiki>http://twdp.havenite.net'''.com'''/?title=$1</nowiki></code>. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 23:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:It is updated. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 21:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== The KoL Wiki (VKoL) ==<br />
<br />
Has now moved to <nowiki>http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/$1</nowiki>. I'd correct it mahself, but I see that this page has been protected.<br />
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:updated --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 21:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Add DCCWiki ==<br />
<br />
I'd like to reference DCC terms on the Digital Command Control (as well as the model railroading page if applicable) to the DCCWiki. Can you add '''dcc:''' interwiki term to point to <nowiki>http://wiki.dccforall.com/$1</nowiki> ? Thanks -Mitch March 14, 2006.<br />
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:done --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 12:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Individual wikis within Wikicities? ==<br />
<br />
May I suggest:<br />
{|<br />
|-<br />
||Wikicities||http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/$1<br />
|-<br />
||Wikicity||http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/c:$1<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
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where "wikicities:" is the existing interwiki link to the main Wikicities site and "wikicity:" is a proposal for a link format to go directly to one individual wiki within Wikicities - something which is currently written (awkwardly) as Wikicities:c: followed by the name of the wiki and page. --[[w:user:carlb]]<br />
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: I '''support''' this request, assuming it works to have "Wikicity:NetHack" instead of "[[Wikicities:c:NetHack]]". --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 21:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::I am waiting for input from Angela about this. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 22:23, 19 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've added that. I've also added one for wikia, which is going to start working soon, and will replace the old style wikicities:c: format. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 05:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::::Wikicities is now Wikia, so the interwikis should be [[Wikia:Wikiname:Page]]. For example [[Wikia:Creatures:Norn]] will go to the Norn page on the Creatures Wikia. [[CentralWikia:Promotion]] is a separate interwiki for linking to the central Wikia, though [[Wikia:www:Promotion]] would also work. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 05:53, 27 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== C2 fix ==<br />
<br />
The C2 entry currently generates broken links, and should be updated to:<br />
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?$1<br />
--[[Wikipedia:User:Piet Delport|Piet Delport]]<br />
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:done --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 11:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Request addition of WikiLemon ==<br />
<br />
Please add "WikiLemon" = "http://ld.fubaria.org/wiki/$1". Thanks. --[[User:Adam Atlas|Adam Atlas]] 06:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:done --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 21:03, 26 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Request addition of Financial Glossary Wiki ==<br />
Please add "Financial Glossary" = "http://glossary.reuters.com/index.php/Main_Page". thanks. --[[User:Alan M|Alan M]] 22:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Pick a new name. "Financial Glossary" is not a good interwiki-name. See list [[Interwiki map]] for examples. "ReutersWiki"? --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 12:34, 27 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::Agreed lets use use "ReutersWiki" for "http://glossary.reuters.com/index.php/Main_Page". thanks --[[User:Alan M|Alan M]] 18:03, 2 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::Done. --[[User:M7|M/]] 19:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Multilingual Wikitravel interwiki ==<br />
<br />
This link [[wikitravel:es:Portada]] now gets http://wikitravel.org/en/Es/Portada instead of the correct http://wikitravel.org/es/Portada. It's posssible to fix this error? --[[User:Sanbec|Sanbec]] 10:30, 28 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:Works for me [[wikitravel:es:Portada]] -> http://wikitravel.org/es/Portada --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 08:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::Somebody did something, now works for me (and many other users at es:) as well. Thanks to the anonimous fixer --[[User:Sanbec|Sanbec]] 22:21, 2 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Lostpedia==<br />
<br />
* Lostpedia http://lostpedia.com/wiki/$1<br />
:--[[User:68.74.153.21|68.74.153.21]] 17:56, 9 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::Is it valuable? i don't see it necessary. [[User:Platonides|Platonides]] 10:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Delete Request: VillageArts==<br />
* Please remove '''VillageArts''', which I added, but no longer host, and the new host has elected to not move the wiki.<br />
--[[User:Bytesmiths|Bytesmiths]] 21:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:I first need confirmation. I am asking that. Wait. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 17:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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::Removed. The do not seem to understand it --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 18:49, 20 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Add Request: VeggieVanGogh==<br />
* Please add "VeggieVanGogh -> http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com/wiki/$1", which is a site I own and host.<br />
--[[User:Bytesmiths|Bytesmiths]] 21:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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==Add Request: Scramble==<br />
* Please add '''Scramble''' -> http://www.scramble.nl/wiki/index.php?title=$1 , an aviation related Wiki.<br />
TIA!<br />
[[User:Antheii|Antheii]] 14:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Site Addition ==<br />
<br />
I would like to request the addition of '''wiki.dreamhost.com''' "[http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/ http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/]" to the Interwiki map please. -- [[User:Scjessey|Scjessey]] 05:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== wikitruth ==<br />
<br />
http://www.wikitruth.info/index.php?title=$1 [[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord <font color="FF0000">C</font><font color="EE0000">y</font><font color="DD0000">b</font><font color="CC0000">e</font><font color="BB0000">r</font><font color="AA0000">S</font><font color="990000">k</font><font color="880000">u</font><font color="770000">l</font><font color="660000">l</font>]] [[User_talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 10:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Addition Request: [http://www.editthis.info edithis.info] ==<br />
<br />
Editthis.info - A free wikihost. Various middle-sized wikis on this host, as well as some useful single pages. http://editthis.info/wiki/index.php/$1 Cheers! [[Wikipedia:User:JiFish]] 16:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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: I suggest the interwiki prefix "Editthis". Also, the url needs to be http://editthis.info/wiki/index.php/$1<br />
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: This will allow you to reach the central wiki, but not other wikis. --[[User:Kernigh|Kernigh]] 02:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:: You're right, I figured editthis:wikiname:page would work like with [[wikipedia:wikia|wikia]]. It doesn't. This will still be useful for the single pages, though. [[Wikipedia:User:JiFish]] 20:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Yohoho! Puzzle Pirates ==<br />
<br />
Yohoho! Puzzle Pirates wiki:<br />
* ypp<br />
* http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/$1<br />
[[User:CyberSkull|Dread Lord <font color="FF0000">C</font><font color="EE0000">y</font><font color="DD0000">b</font><font color="CC0000">e</font><font color="BB0000">r</font><font color="AA0000">S</font><font color="990000">k</font><font color="880000">u</font><font color="770000">l</font><font color="660000">l</font>]] [[User_talk:CyberSkull|✎☠]] 04:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== To our svn ==<br />
<br />
From [[bugzilla:5797]] by Rotem Liss:<br />
<br />
Please add "svn:" interwiki links to Wikimedia projects (like "bugzilla:", and I<br />
suggest that the URL will be<br />
"http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/$1?view=log"). Thanks.<br />
<br />
[[User:Platonides|Platonides]] 11:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: I wonder how [[project:administrators|administrators]] can add Interwiki links to a project / all projects. As far as I know only [[developers#root|root]] or [[developers#shell|shell]] developers can do this. [[User:Gangleri|Gangleri]] · [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gangleri&action=history Th] · [[User_talk:Gangleri|T]] 12:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Read the top of [[{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}]] again. [[User:Robchurch|Rob Church]] ([[User_talk:Robchurch|talk]]) 14:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: [{{localurl:bugzilla:1}} <nowiki>{{localurl:bugzilla:1}}</nowiki>] is '''OK'''<br />
: [{{localurl:svn:1}} <nowiki>{{localurl:svn:1}}</nowiki>] is '''not'''<br />
: [[User:Gangleri|Gangleri]] · [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gangleri&action=history Th] · [[User_talk:Gangleri|T]] 19:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== StrategyWiki ==<br />
<br />
Now that a lot of Wikibooks computer/video game stuff is getting transwikied to StrategyWiki, it'd probably be cool to have an interwiki link to [http://strategywiki.net/wiki/Main_Page the place]. Links are in format "<nowiki>http://strategywiki.net/wiki/$1</nowiki>", or something like that, it seems. Thanks! --[[User:Wwwwolf|Wwwwolf]] 13:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=IRC/Nicks&diff=274401IRC/Nicks2006-01-18T16:13:21Z<p>Wwwwolf: me, me!</p>
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<div>{{IRC}}<br />
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If your nickname on IRC is different from your username on Wikipedia, you can list it here:<br />
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|AlexTM<br />
|[[en:User:AlexR|AlexR]]<br />
|-<br />
|auk<br />
|Pandion_auk: [[en:User:Pandion_auk|Wikipedia]]; Auk: Wikispecies, Commons, Meta<br />
|-<br />
|bcat24<br />
|[[en:User:Bcat|Bcat]]<br />
|-<br />
|britty<br />
|[[ja:User:Aphaia|Aphaia]]<br />
|-<br />
|Bencvt<br />
|[[en:User:Benc|Benc]]<br />
|-<br />
|[[en:User:SimonArlott/Byte|Byte]]<br />
|[[en:User:SimonArlott|Simon Arlott]]<br />
|-<br />
|cliffster1<br />
|[[en:User:cliffster | cliffster]]<br />
|-<br />
|da didi<br />
|[[de:Benutzer:MichalDiederich|MichaelDiederich]]<br />
|-<br />
|DaBPunkt<br />
|[[de:Benutzer:DaB. | DaB.]]<br />
|-<br />
|Derk<br />
|[[en:User:CryptoDerk | CryptoDerk]]<br />
|-<br />
|<nowiki>DIG|wp</nowiki><br />
|DIG: [[ru:User:DIG | ru]] [[m:User:DIG | meta]]<br />
|-<br />
|dma`<br />
|[[en:User:Dma|dma]]<br />
|-<br />
|Engla<br />
|[[en:User:Sverdrup|Sverdrup]]<br />
|-<br />
|Farazy<br />
|[[ar:User:Azad|Azad]]<br />
|-<br />
|Fennecus; FennecFoxen<br />
|[[en:User:Fennec|Fennec]]<br />
|-<br />
|Skoorb<br />
|[[en:User:Haggis|Haggis]]<br />
|-<br />
|ibid<br />
|[[en:User:Ajk|Ajk]]<br />
|-<br />
|ihwil<br />
|[[en:User:Information Habitat|Information Habitat]]<br />
|-<br />
|ITEXPL0DIATE<br />
|[[en:User:Scott Burley|Scott Burley]]<br />
|-<br />
|jossif<br />
|[[en:User:jossifresco|jossi]]<br />
|-<br />
|[[en:John Keats|keats]]<br />
|[[en:User:Avriette|Avriette]]<br />
|-<br />
|LeonWP<br />
|[[de:Benutzer:LeonWeber|LeonWeber]]<br />
|-<br />
|Mark Ryan<br />
|en:[[en:User:Mark|Mark]]; meta:[[User:Mark Ryan|Mark Ryan]]<br />
|-<br />
|Mero<br />
|[[en:User:Merovingian|Merovingian]]<br />
|-<br />
|millipede<br />
|[[en:User:Perl|Perl]]; [[en:User:AlexPlank|AlexPlank]]<br />
|-<br />
|\Mike<br />
|[[sv:användare:Mike|sv.Mike]] - [[user:Mikez|meta.Mikez]]<br />
|-<br />
|Mirv<br />
|[[fi:Käyttäjä:TJ|TJ]]<br />
|-<br />
|Mookie<br />
|[[en:User:Wguynes|William Guynes]]<br />
|-<br />
|MozSaysAloha<br />
|[[en:User:Hoshie|iHoshie]]<br />
|-<br />
|nadav<br />
|[[en:User:Nadavspi|Nadavspi]]<br />
|-<br />
|NullC<br />
|[[en:User:Gmaxwell|Gmaxwell]]<br />
|-<br />
|P<nowiki>|</nowiki>xeL<br />
|[[it:Utente:Pixel|Pixel]]<br />
|-<br />
|-<br />
|paddyez<br />
|[[de:Benutzer:Paddy|Paddy]]<br />
|-<br />
|Peters; Zacheus<br />
|[[cs:Wikipedista:Vít Zvánovec|Vít Zvánovec]]<br />
|-<br />
|pHatidic<br />
|[[en:User:Alex3917|Alex3917]]<br />
|-<br />
|PhilBoswell<br />
|[[en:User:Phil Boswell|Phil Boswell]]<br />
|-<br />
|riorio<br />
|[[User:Mats Halldin|Mats Halldin]]<br />
|-<br />
|roe<br />
|[[User:jroes|jroes]]<br />
|-<br />
|squinn<br />
|[[en:User:Sean|Sean]]<br />
|-<br />
|sid_rx300<br />
|[[en:User:sid007|sid007]]<br />
|-<br />
|Skeptic<br />
|[[en:User:Andrevan|Andrevan]]<br />
|-<br />
|skimpIzu<br />
|[[en:User:Hfastedge|Hfastedge]]<br />
|-<br />
|Sonja<br />
|[[en:User:Sonjaaa|Sonjaaa]]<br />
|-<br />
|spectre<br />
|[[en:User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]]<br />
|-<br />
|Suisui; Sui2OSX<br />
|[[ja:利用者:Suisui|Suisui]]<br />
|-<br />
|statcrazy<br />
|[[en:User:Hemanshu|Hemanshu]]<br />
|-<br />
|tbc<br />
|[[en:User:Tim_Chambers|Tim Chambers]]<br />
|-<br />
|tothebarricades<br />
|[[en:User:tothebarricades.tk|tothebarricades.tk]]<br />
|-<br />
|tractor<br />
|[[en:User:Quinobi|Quinobi]]<br />
|-<br />
|traxx-sports<br />
|[[de:Benutzer:Traxx|Traxx]]<br />
|-<br />
|Vicious]<br />
|[[en:User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]]<br />
|-<br />
|Watcher (Although sometimes just RN too)<br />
|[[en:User:RN|RN]]<br />
|-<br />
|Weishaupt<br />
|[[en:User:Adam Conover|Adam Conover]]<br />
|-<br />
|WikiFan05<br />
|[[en:User:WikiFan04|WikiFan04]]<br />
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|wirelain<br />
|[[en:User:dbroadwell|David Broadwell (aka;Mongoose)]]<br />
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|wilylojik<br />
|[[en:User:Jason_Michael_Smithson|Jason Michael Smithson]]<br />
|-<br />
|wmarsh<br />
|[[en:User:W.marsh|W.marsh]]<br />
|-<br />
|WWWWolf<br />
|[[en:User:Wwwwolf|Wwwwolf]]<br />
|-<br />
|Xirzon<br />
|[[en:User:Eloquence|Eloquence]]<br />
|-<br />
|Zettabyte<br />
|[[en:User:Exabyte|Exabyte]]<br />
|}</div>Wwwwolfhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wwwwolf&diff=272195User:Wwwwolf2006-01-15T20:39:41Z<p>Wwwwolf: Created myself</p>
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<div>See ye olde [[en:User:Wwwwolf|Wikipedia]] for more on me.</div>Wwwwolf