Meta-Wiki - User contributions [en]

https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=9xl Meta-Wiki - User contributions [en] 2026-08-22T02:04:17Z User contributions MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.16 https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_open_letter_on_renaming/signatures&diff=20226338 Community open letter on renaming/signatures 2020-06-29T09:20:38Z

<p>9xl: /* Wikimedia community members */</p> <hr /> <div> <br /> <br /> ===Wikimedia community affiliates=== <br /> # [[Wiki Movement Brazil User Group|UG Wiki Movimento Brasil]] - João Alexandre Peschanski ([[User:Joalpe]])<br /> # [[WikiDonne|WikiDonne User Group]] - Camelia Boban ([[User:Camelia.boban]])<br /> # [[Wikipedia & Education User Group]] - Filip Maljković ([[User:Dungodung]])<br /> # [[West Bengal Wikimedians|West Bengal Wikimedians User Group]] - Bodhisattwa ([[User:Bodhisattwa]])<br /> # [[WikiClassics User Group]] - Alessandro Marchetti ([[User:Alexmar983]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia Serbia]] - Miroslav Loci ([[User:Mickey Mystique]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia New York City]] - Megan Wacha ([[User:Megs]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia LGBT+]] - Rachel Wexelbaum ([[User:RachelWex]])<br /> # [[Shared Knowledge]] - Kiril Simeonovski ([[User:Kiril Simeonovski]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia Medicine]] - Doug Taylor ([[User:RexxS]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia Belgium]] - Geert Van Pamel ([[User:Geertivp]]), chair<br /> # [[Muj(lh)eres latinoamericanas en Wikimedia]] - Andrea Patricia Kleiman ([[User:Jaluj]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia Chile]] - Dennis Tobar ([[User:Superzerocool]]), board member<br /> # [[North-West Russia Wiki-Historians User Group]] - Nikolai Bulykin ([[User:Красный]]), Ekaterina Borisova ([[User:Екатерина Борисова]])<br /> # [[New England Wikimedians]] - Phoebe Ayers, ([[user:phoebe]]) <br /> # [[Wikimedia Nederland|Wikimedia Netherlands]] - Jan-Bart de Vreede [[User:Jan-Bart|(user:Jan-Bart)]]<br /> # [[Wikimedia Indonesia]] - Biyanto Rebin ([[user:Biyanto Rebin (WMID)]])<br /> # [[Karavali Wikimedians|Karavali Wikimedians User Group]] - Dr. U. B. Pavanaja ([[User:Pavanaja]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia Venezuela]] - Oscar Costero, ([[User:Oscar .]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia Portugal]] - Paulo Santos Perneta, ([[User:DarwIn]])<br /> # [[Wikimedians of Erzya language User Group]] - Andrey Petrov ([[User:Erzianj jurnalist]]).<br /> # [[Wikimedia Italia]] - Lorenzo Losa ([[User:Laurentius]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia Bangladesh]] - Shabab Mustafa ([[User:Tarunno]])<br /> # [[Art and Feminism]] - Kira Wisniewski ([[User:Kiraface]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia Australia]] – Alex Lum ([[User:Canley]])<br /> # [[Wikimédia France]] – Nadine Le Lirzin ([[User:Wikinade]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia and Libraries User Group]] - Merrilee Proffitt ([[User:Merrilee]])<br /> # [[Basque Wikimedians User Group]] - Xabier Armendaritz ([[User:Xabier Armendaritz]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia South Africa]] - Ian Gilfillan ([[User:Greenman]])<br /> # [[Wikimedians for Sustainable Development]] - Jan Ainali ([[User:Ainali]])<br /> # [[Wikimedistas de Ecuador]] - Edgar Rosero Villacís. ([[User:Edjoerv]])<br /> # [[Wikimaps User Group]] - Eugene Alvin Villar ([[User:seav]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia Austria]] - Ulli Zeller ([[User:UlliZ]])<br /> # [[Wikimedia District of Columbia]] - [[User:Gamaliel]] per board vote of 6/27/20<br /> # [[Wiktionary/Tremendous Wiktionary User Group|Tremendous Wiktionary User Group]] - [[User:Noé|Noé]], per [[Talk:Wiktionary/Tremendous_Wiktionary_User_Group#open_letter|this consultation]]<br /> # [[Wikimedia MA User Group]] - Nassima Chahboun ([[User:Nassima Chahboun]]) per UG members vote of 6/28/20<br /> <br /> ===Wikimedia community members===<br /> # [[User:Titodutta|Tito Dutta]] ([[User talk:Titodutta|talk]]), English Wikipedia editor 17:44, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> #[[User:David Wadie Fisher-Freberg|dwf²]] ([[User talk:David Wadie Fisher-Freberg|runding]]) 17:46, 23 June 2020 (UTC) -- id & min.wp editor<br /> # [[User:Bonaditya|Bonaditya]] ([[User talk:Bonaditya|talk]]) 17:51, 23 June 2020 (UTC) — Indonesian Wikipedia editor<br /> # [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 17:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC) from Wikidata and the Bengali Wikisource<br /> # [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 17:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC) – crosswiki <small>(To restore confidence in the project, the WMF board will need to declare that any decision will be ratified by a movement-wide referendum. [[Licensing update/Result|We've done it before]], it's high time to show leadership rather than naked power.)</small><br /> # [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] ([[User talk:Bawolff|talk]]) 18:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - MediaWiki developer<br /> # [[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|talk]]) 18:06, 23 June 2020 (UTC) – enwiki and Wikimedia Commons editor<br /> # [[User:Effeietsanders|Effeietsanders]] ([[User talk:Effeietsanders|talk]]) 18:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - nlwiki, commons, former steward and former chapter board member<br /> # [[User:Ferdi2005|<span style="font-weight: 700;font-family: American Typewriter, Courier New; color:#8f0000">Ferdi<span style="color: #cdcdcd;font-family: American Typewriter, Courier New;">2005</span></span>]][[User talk:Ferdi2005|<span style="font-family: American Typewriter, Courier New; color:#8f0000;"><sub>'''[Mail]'''</sub></span>]] 18:18, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - it.Wikipedia rollbacker and mover, it.wikinews administrator, meta massmessage sender, Wikimedia Italy regional coordinator Apulia<br /> # [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 18:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - Wiki Medicine, LGBT+, Cascadia, in Residence<br /> # [[User:Ixocactus|Ixocactus]] ([[User talk:Ixocactus|talk]]) 18:27, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - ptwiki administrator, commons and wikidata editor<br /> # [[User:Taketa|Taketa]] ([[User talk:Taketa|talk]]) 18:29, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Generish|Generish]] ([[User talk:Generish|talk]]) 18:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Gamaliel|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">Gamaliel</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">talk</span>]])</small> 18:48, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Фред-Продавец звёзд|Фред-Продавец звёзд]] ([[User talk:Фред-Продавец звёзд|talk]]) 18:53, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - Russian crosswiki community member<br /> # ‐‐[[User:DutchTina|DutchTina]] ([[User talk:DutchTina|talk]]) 18:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Ahonc|<span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic; color:darkviolet;">Anatoliy</span>]] ([[user talk:Ahonc|<span style="color:indigo;">talk</span>]]) 18:55, 23 June 2020 (UTC) – Ukrainian Wikipedia editor, Commons' sysop, WMUA member<br /> # [[User:Bodhisattwa|Bodhisattwa]] ([[User talk:Bodhisattwa|talk]]) 18:55, 23 June 2020 (UTC) – bn.Wikisource, Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons<br /> # --[[User:Atsirlin|Alexander]] ([[User_talk:Atsirlin|talk]]) 19:03, 23 June 2020 (UTC) – admin at Russian and English Wikivoyage, organizer of Wiki Loves Earth/Monuments<br /> # [[User:Okhjon|Okhjon]] ([[User talk:Okhjon|talk]]) 19:06, 23 June 2020 (UTC) – frwiki<br /> # --[[User:Base|Base]] ([[User talk:Base|talk]]) 19:10, 23 June 2020 (UTC) — Ukrainian Wikipedian, Ukrainian Wikinewsie, Meta-Wiki sysop, Wikimedia Steward, Wikimedia Commons contributor and UploadWizard campaign editor, translate admin in multiple Wikimedia projects, Wikimedia OTRS member, WMUA board member.<br /> # [[User:Bastique|Bastique]] <sup>[[User talk:Bastique|☎ call me!]]</sup> 19:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - old man and longtime user still invested in the community<br /> # <span style="font-size: smaller; font-style: italic;">Sgd.</span>&nbsp;&mdash;[[user talk:Hasley|<span style="color: #0645AD;">Hasley</span>]] 19:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC) &mdash; <span style="font-size: smaller;">cross-wiki editor</span><br /> # --[[User:Drycafe|Drycafe]] ([[User talk:Drycafe|talk]]) 19:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # -- [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] ([[User talk:Marcus Cyron|talk]]) 19:20, 23 June 2020 (UTC) 15 years Wikimedian. [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Marcus_Cyron/Barnstars#Off-Wiki-Auszeichnungen Zedler Medail in 2008 and Honory Wiki Owl in 2016]. [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralAuth&target=Marcus+Cyron Projects]. There must be an end with this "[https://steproe.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/die-sinnfrage-was-ist-der-zweck-von-wikimedia-deutschland/ Fuck the community, who cares]" mentality behalf the WMF.<br /> # --<span style="background:#444;padding:2px;font-size:12px">[[User:Jayprakash12345|<span style="color:#fff">Jayprakash</span>]]<span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px" > >>> </span>[[User talk:Jayprakash12345|<span style="color:#fff">Talk</span>]]</span> 19:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - Lead developer of [[Indic-TechCom]]<br /> #[[User:Mbch331|Mbch331]] ([[User talk:Mbch331|talk]]) 19:26, 23 June 2020 (UTC) <br /> # -- [[User:Ninjastrikers|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:blue;font-family:century gothic;">Ninja<span style="color:red">✮</span>Strikers</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Red;font-size:85%;">«[[User talk:Ninjastrikers|☎]]»</span></sup> 19:26, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - Burmese Wikimedian<br /> # --[[User:Pafsanias|Pafsanias]] ([[User talk:Pafsanias|talk]]) 19:27, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - ro.wikipedia administrator, ro.wiktionary editor<br /> # [[User:Nahum|Naḥum]] ([[User talk:Nahum|talk]]) 19:34, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - senior volunteer & bureaucrat at he.wikisource.org<br /> # [[User:Willking1979|Willking1979]] ([[User talk:Willking1979|talk]]) 19:46, 23 June 2020 (UTC) --English Wikipedia admin<br /> # [[User:Tohaomg|<span style="position:relative;color:#f80"><span style="height:68%;position:absolute;color:blue;overflow:hidden">Tohaomg</span>Tohaomg</span>]] ([[User talk:Tohaomg|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:48, 23 June 2020 (UTC) - Wikimedia Ukraine Board member (but signing in personal capacity), member of OTRS, editor of Ukrainian and English Wikipedias, Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons, active participant of technical community of Wikimedia.<br /> # I do not agree with all the point of this letter but I do totally agree with the main idea that the whole process should be improved. [[User:VIGNERON|V<span style="font-size:75%">IGNERON</span>]] * [[User talk:VIGNERON|<sup>discut.</sup>]] 20:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:DraconicDark|DraconicDark]] ([[User talk:DraconicDark|talk]]) 20:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 20:14, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:AKA MBG|Andrew Krizhanovsky]] ([[User talk:AKA MBG|talk]]) 20:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC) ruwikt and ruwikiversity administrator, commons and ruwiki editor<br /> # #FirstWorldProblem -[[User:Filipinayzd|Filipinayzd]] ([[User talk:Filipinayzd|talk]]) 20:18, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span>, en-wiki editor 20:20, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Kosboot|Kosboot]] ([[User talk:Kosboot|talk]]) 20:23, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # &mdash;[[User:MarcoAurelio|MarcoAurelio]] ([[User talk:MarcoAurelio|talk]]) 20:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC) crosswiki volunteer and [[steward]].<br /> # --[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 20:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC) administrator on English Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata (also bureaucrat) and Russian Wikivoyage <br /> # [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC), English Wikipedia administrator and former Wikidata administrator<br /> # [[User:Dave Braunschweig|Dave Braunschweig]] ([[User talk:Dave Braunschweig|talk]]) 20:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC) English Wikiversity custodian and bureaucrat<br /> # --[[User:Michel Bakni|Michel Bakni]] ([[User talk:Michel Bakni|talk]]) 20:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete Forsyth]] - En Wikisource, Wikipedia, Wikidata, Commons, Meta Wiki etc. since 2006<br /> # --[[User:80686|Manuel Schneider]] ([[User talk:80686|talk]]) 21:03, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Millars|Millars]] ([[User talk:Millars|talk]]) 21:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Ninovolador|Ninovolador]] ([[User talk:Ninovolador|talk]]) 21:12, 23 June 2020 (UTC) spanish Wikisource administrator<br /> # --[[User:SRuizR|S]][[User talk:SRuizR|Ruiz]][[Special:Contributions/SRuizR|R]] [[File:Flag of Costa Rica.svg|15px|link=|¡Pure life!]] 21:14, 23 June 2020 (UTC) Spanish Wikipedia<br /> # [[User:Wutsje|Wutsje]] ([[User talk:Wutsje|talk]]) 21:17, 23 June 2020 (UTC) -- admin on nlwiki, fywiki, and commons, former steward<br /> # --[[User:Ehrlich91|Ehrlich91]] ([[User talk:Ehrlich91|talk]]) 21:35, 23 June 2020 (UTC) --admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, editor on Commons and Wikidata, Board Member and Treasurer in Shared Knowledge<br /> # --[[User:Jaluj|Jalu]] ([[User talk:Jaluj|talk]]) 22:03, 23 June 2020 (UTC) Wikipedia eswiki, Sysop at Wikiquote, board trustee WMA and MLUG.<br /> # [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|talk]]) 22:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC) enwiki, commons, wikidata<br /> # '''[[User:Wiki13|<span style="color:#1E90FF; font-family:Arial">Wiki</span><span style="color:orange">13</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Wiki13|<span style="color:#1E90FF">'''talk'''</span>]]</small> 22:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC) Dutch Wikipedia Editor & Administrator and cross-wiki for SWMT<br /> # [[User:Ladsgroup|Amir]] ([[User talk:Ladsgroup|talk]]) 22:27, 23 June 2020 (UTC), Admin on fawiki & Wikidata, Global renamer, CU, oversight and bureaucrat in fawiki.<br /> # [[User:Bduke|Bduke]] ([[User talk:Bduke|talk]]) 22:37, 23 June 2020 (UTC), Admin on wikipedia<br /> # [[User:SlimVirgin|SarahSV]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|talk]]</sup></small> 22:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC), enwiki admin<br /> # — [[User:Arkanosis|Arkanosis]] <sup>[[User_talk:Arkanosis|✉]]</sup> 23:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC), longtime editor on frwiki and Wikidata<br /> # <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<font color="white">Imzadi&nbsp;1979</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Imzadi1979|<font color="white"><big>→</big></font>]]'''</span> 23:18, 23 June 2020 (UTC) 15-year editor on enwiki, contributor to Commons, Wikisource and Wikidata<br /> # [[User:Jorge Abellán|Jorge Abellán]] ([[User talk:Jorge Abellán|talk]]) 23:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC), Admin on Wikinews (es), contributor to Commons, Wikidata, "designer" on Wikinews (fr) and Wikivoyage (es)<br /> # [[User:Amitie 10g|Amitie 10g]] ([[User talk:Amitie 10g|talk]]) 23:58, 23 June 2020 (UTC) eswiki user<br /> # --[[User:ZebaX2010|ZebaX2010]] ([[User talk:ZebaX2010|talk]]) 00:05, 24 June 2020 (UTC), eswiki user<br /> # [[User:Labdajiwa|Labdajiwa]] ([[User talk:Labdajiwa|talk]]) 00:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC), idwiki editor<br /> # --[[User:Ganímedes|Ganímedes]] ([[User talk:Ganímedes|talk]]) 00:32, 24 June 2020 (UTC) eswiki editor, contributor to commons, OTRS agent, edits in 150+ other projects<br /> #--[[User:Héctor Guido Calvo|Héctor Guido Calvo]] ([[User talk:Héctor Guido Calvo|talk]]) 01:05, 24 June 2020 (UTC), eswiki user<br /> # --[[User:Joalpe|Joalpe]] ([[User talk:Joalpe|talk]]) 01:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC), wikipedia (pt/fr), wikidata, wikimedia commons, wikiversity (pt)<br /> # '''&middot;&middot;&middot;''' <span title="Cherry blossom">🌸</span> [[User:Rachmat04|'''Rachmat04''']] '''&middot;''' [[User talk:Rachmat04|<span title="Let's discuss!">☕</span>]] 02:09, 24 June 2020 (UTC), Indonesian Wikipedia, Commons, and Wikidata editor.<br /> # — [[User:Pólux|Pólux]] ('''[[User talk:Pólux|σ]]''') 02:12, 24 June 2020 (UTC) eswiki editor and former admin<br /> # — [[User:Hrishikes|Hrishikes]] ([[User talk:Hrishikes|talk]]) 02:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC) — admin in English Wikisource, editor in Bengali Wikisource, English Wikipedia, Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons<br /> # — [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|Talk]]) 02:40, 24 June 2020 (UTC), Australian Wikimedian, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata<br /> # [[User:Libcub|Libcub]] ([[User talk:Libcub|talk]]) 02:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC), mostly copy-editing on en:wp<br /> # [[User:Cookie|Anna]] ([[User talk:Cookie|talk]]) 03:59, 24 June 2020 (UTC) es-wiki editor, administrator in Commons and es-wikiquote<br /> # [[User:Gnoeee|<span style="color:#990000">❙❚❚</span><span style="color:#339966">❙❙</span><span style="font-family:Noto Sans;color:#000"> JinOy </span><span style="color:#006699">❚❙❚</span><span style="color:#339966">❙❙</span>]] [[User talk:Gnoeee|✉]] 04:41, 24 June 2020 (UTC) - en,ml-Wikipedia editor, Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons<br /> # [[User:Gangulybiswarup|Gangulybiswarup]] ([[User talk:Gangulybiswarup|talk]]) 04:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC), 10 years contributor to Commons, editor on enwiki, bnwiki, founder member of the West Bengal Wikimedians User Group.<br /> #--[[User:Ananth subray|Ananth subray]] ([[User talk:Ananth subray|talk]]) 04:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC) , Kannada Wikipedia editor 17:44, 23 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Seav|seav]] ([[User talk:Seav|talk]]), contributor to Wikidata, English Wikipedia, and Wikimedia Commons, and bureaucrat at the Tagalog Wikipedia<br /> # [[User:4nn1l2|4nn1l2]] ([[User talk:4nn1l2|talk]]) 05:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC), Commons<br /> # [[User:Sijtze Reurich|Sijtze Reurich]] ([[User talk:Sijtze Reurich|talk]]) 06:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC), nlwiki, dewiki and commons.<br /> # [[User:ANKAN|ANKAN]] ([[User talk:ANKAN|talk]]) 07:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC) — Bengali Wikipedia, Wikidata, Commons<br /> # [[User:AnneJea|AnneJea]] ([[User talk:AnneJea|talk]]) 07:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC) French Wikipedia editor.<br /> # [[:it:Discussioni utente:.mau.|.mau. &#x2709;]] 07:52, 24 June 2020 (UTC) (it.wikipedia, it.wikisource, and other project passim) BTW, renaming WMF and '''not renaming''' the chapters will lead to even more confusion. <br /> # [[User:De Wikischim|De Wikischim]] ([[User talk:De Wikischim|talk]]) 08:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Editor and contributor on several Wikimedia projects, especially those in Dutch. <br /> # [[User:Pavanaja|Pavanaja]] ([[User talk:Pavanaja|talk]]) 08:09, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Sysop and bureaucrat in Kannada Wikipedia, Sysop in Tulu Wikipedia, Wikipedian since 2004, contributor on various Wikimedia projects.<br /> # [[User:Civvì|Civvì]] ([[User talk:Civvì|talk]]) 08:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC) sysop and bureaucrat on the Italian Wikipedia, member of OTRS, Wikipedian since 2004, contributor on various Wikimedia projects<br /> # --[[User:ساندرا|ساندرا]] ([[User talk:ساندرا|talk]]) 08:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Wikinade|Wikinade]], 12-year editor mainly on frwiki, and member of the French chapter.<br /> # --[[User:Avsolov|Avsolov]] ([[User talk:Avsolov|talk]]) 08:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Russian Wikivoyage editor<br /> # [[User:Stryn|Stryn]] ([[User talk:Stryn|talk]]) 09:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC) : Admin on Finnish Wikipedia, Wikidata and Meta-Wiki. Wikimedia Steward.<br /> # [[User:Tufor|tufor]] ([[User talk:Tufor|talk]]) 09:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC), Polish Wikipedia (A/IA/OS)<br /> #[[User:Yger|Yger]] ([[User talk:Yger|talk]]) 09:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC) svwiki (sysop), commons, wikidata<br /> # --[[User:B25es|B25es]] ([[User talk:B25es|talk]]) 10:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:RaymondSutanto|RaymondSutanto]] ([[User talk:RaymondSutanto|talk]]) 10:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC), admin in Indonesian Wikipedia, Wikisource, and Wikibooks<br /> # --[[User:Camelia.boban|Camelia]] ([[User talk:Camelia.boban|talk]]) 10:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC). I signed as affiliate liaison, I sign in a personal capacity as "simple" user too. WIkipedian since 2007: itwiki, rowiki, enwiki, Wikidata, Commons, Wikiquote, Wikibooks<br /> # --[[User:Beat Estermann|Beat Estermann]] ([[User talk:Beat Estermann|talk]]) 11:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:DarwIn|<font color="#4153A0" face="Century Gothic" size="2">- '''Darwin'''</font>]] [[User talk:DarwIn|<font color="#4153A0"><sup>Ahoy!</sup></font>]] 12:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC) sysop at commons and wiki.pt, regular editor at wikidata, member of the OTRS team.<br /> # [[User:Natuur12|Natuur12]] ([[User talk:Natuur12|talk]]) 12:02, 24 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:ZI Jony|ZI Jony]] ([[User talk:ZI Jony|talk]]) Wikimedia projects editor. 13:03, 24 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Csyogi|Csyogi]] ([[User talk:Csyogi|talk]]) 13:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC) crosswiki<br /> # --[[User:Colombati|Colombati]] ([[User talk:Colombati|talk]]) 13:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC), Coordinator Abruzzo Wikimedia Italy<br /> # --[[User:Tim.landscheidt|Tim Landscheidt]] ([[User talk:Tim.landscheidt|talk]]) 13:08, 24 June 2020 (UTC) dewp editor<br /> # --Grüße vom [[User:Sänger|Sänger&nbsp;♫]]<sup>([[User Talk:Sänger|Reden]])</sup> 13:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC) <small>(Vor allem deWP, daneben Commons und Meta)</small><br /> # — [[User:Wikitanvir|<span title="Tanvir (aka Wikitanvir)" style="font-weight:bold; cursor:help;">T.</span>]] 13:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Bangla Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, Wikimedia Bangladesh<br /> # [[User:Mr.Ajedrez|Mr.Ajedrez]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ajedrez|talk]]) 13:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC) eswiki sysop, wikidata<br /> # [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] ([[User talk:Nikki|talk]]) 13:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC), admin at Wikidata, regular editor at Commons<br /> # [[User:RockyMasum|Rocky Masum]] ([[User talk:RockyMasum|talk]]) 14:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Wikimedia Commons, Admin at Bangla Wikipedia, EC member of Wikimedia Bangladesh..<br /> # [[User:Pmlineditor|Pmlineditor]] ([[User talk:Pmlineditor|t]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Pmlineditor|c]] '''·''' [[Special:Logs/Pmlineditor|l]]) 14:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC) - Wikimedia steward<br /> # --[[User:Andyrom75|<span style="color:#BB0000; font-family:Papyrus; font-size:12px">'''Andyrom75'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Andyrom75|talk]]) 14:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Admin in Italian Wikivoyge<br /> # [[User:Bernhard Wallisch|Bernhard Wallisch]] 14:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC). German Wikipedia, WMAT.<br /> # &middot; &middot; &middot; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 15:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC) admin on en:Wikipedia and en:Wikivoyage, contributor on various other projects<br /> #--[[User:Athour1|Athour1]] ([[User talk:Athour1|talk]]) 16:05, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Wikimedia projects editor<br /> # --[[User:Sj|SJ]]<small>&nbsp;[[User Talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f90;">+</font>]]&nbsp;</small> 16:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC), <span style="color:#990000">❚</span><span style="color:#339966">❙</span><span style="color:#006699">❚</span><span style="color:#339966">❙</span>, wikispore, theinfo, former WMF board member<br /> #--<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC">'''[[Utente:3Pappa3|3<span style="color:green">Pappa</span>3]]'''</span> <sup>'''[[Discussioni utente:3Pappa3|<span style="color:#CC0000">(dimmi tutto!)</span>]]'''</sup> 16:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Italian Wikivoyager and Wikipedian<br /> # [[User:Giaccai|Susanna Giaccai]] ([[User talk:Giaccai|talk]]) 16:32, 24 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Csisc|Csisc]] ([[User talk:Csisc|talk]]) 16:34, 24 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Zanaq|Zanaq]] ([[User talk:Zanaq|talk]]) 16:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC) - active on Dutch language Wikipedia and Commons<br /> #[[User:Hsarrazin|Hsarrazin]] ([[User talk:Hsarrazin|talk]]) 17:19, 24 June 2020 (UTC) - admin on frwikisource, contributor on Commons and Wikidata.<br /> # While a fresh look at branding may be warranted, this process is causing more harm than good. It is time to take a step back, re-evaluate, and come back to the table with fresh ideas and a better understanding of the Wikimedia community. [[User:AntiCompositeNumber|AntiCompositeNumber]] ([[User talk:AntiCompositeNumber|talk]]) 17:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC) editor on enwiki and commons and an OTRS volunteer<br /> # --[[User:Novak Watchmen|Novak Watchmen]] ([[User talk:Novak Watchmen|talk]]) 17:35, 24 June 2020 (UTC): a South Slavic cross-wiki editor; an administrator, interface administrator and bureaucrat on six different Serbian Wikimedia projects.<br /> # [[User:Carlojoseph14|Carlojoseph14]] ([[User talk:Carlojoseph14|talk]]) 18:32, 24 June 2020 (UTC), enwiki, tlwiki, commons, wikidata<br /> # --[[User:BradPatrick|BradPatrick]] ([[User talk:BradPatrick|talk]]) 18:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Former WMF Interim Executive Director and first General Counsel; I signed the puzzle globe trademark application<br /> # [[user:phoebe|phoebe]] | <small>[[user_talk:phoebe|talk]]</small> 18:54, 24 June 2020 (UTC) (as an individual); former WMF Board of Trustees member; Wikimania steering committee; en.wp, wikidata<br /> # --[[:es:User:Marcelo|Marcelo]] ([[User talk:Marcelo|talk]]) 19:07, 24 June 2020 (UTC) -- es.wikipedia editor & admin<br /> # --[[User:Túrelio|Túrelio]] ([[User talk:Túrelio|talk]]) 20:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC) -- :de editor since 2006, Commons admin since 2008<br /> # --[[User:Jtorquy|Jtorquy]] ([[User talk:Jtorquy|talk]]) 20:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC) - itwiki rollbacker and itwikinews editor<br /> # [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]]) 21:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC) - English Wikipedia, English Wikivoyage bureaucrat, Wikimedia Commons<br /> # --[[User:Ysogo|Ysogo]] ([[User talk:Ysogo|talk]]) 21:34, 24 June 2020 (UTC) - :it, user since 2006, translation-Admin on Meta-Wiki<br /> # --[[User:Luigi.tuby|Luigi.tuby]] ([[User talk:Luigi.tuby|talk]]) 21:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC) - :it, user since 2008<br /> # --[[User:Yoggysot|Yoggysot]] ([[User talk:Yoggysot|talk]]) 22:55, 24 June 2020 (UTC) editor on it.wiki since 2006, on commons since 2007<br /> # --[[User:Manojk|Manojk]] ([[User talk:Manojk|talk]]) 23:58, 24 June 2020 (UTC) :volunteer (mlwiki, enwiki, mlwikisource, commons & wikidata)<br /> # [[User:Quercusechinus|Quercusechinus]] ([[User talk:Quercusechinus|talk]]) 00:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC) - wikibrarian enwiki, commons, wikidata<br /> # [[User:Alphama|Alphama]] ([[User talk:Alphama|talk]]) 02:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC) (viwiki admin, founder of Vietnamse User Group)<br /> # --[[User:Moroboshi|Moroboshi]] ([[User talk:Moroboshi|talk]]) 03:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # —[[User:Atcovi|Atcovi]] [[User talk:Atcovi|(Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Atcovi|Contribs)]] 04:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC) en.wikiv and en.wb editor<br /> # [[User:Tedder|Tedder]] ([[User talk:Tedder|talk]]) 04:37, 25 June 2020 (UTC) en.wiki contributor and admin, occasional contributions elsewhere<br /> # [[User:Marrakech|Marrakech]] ([[User talk:Marrakech|talk]]) 04:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC) nl.wiki<br /> # --[[User:Phyrexian|Phyrexian]] [[User talk:Phyrexian|ɸ]] 05:00, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Italian Wikipedia sysop, active on Commons, Wikidata, Piedmontese Wikipedia and many, many more.<br /> # --[[User:Nungalpiriggal|Nungalpiriggal]] ([[User talk:Nungalpiriggal|talk]]) 06:28, 25 June 2020 (UTC) it.wiki editor and Wikimedia Italia member<br /> # [[User:The Land|Chris Keating (The Land)]] ([[User talk:The Land|talk]]) 08:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Beta16|β<sub>16</sub>]] - ([[User talk:Beta16|talk]]) 08:28, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:ValterVB|ValterVB]] ([[User talk:ValterVB|talk]]) 08:40, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Italian Wikipedia admin<br /> # --[[User:MarcoSwart|MarcoSwart]] ([[User talk:MarcoSwart|talk]]) 08:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Moderator & Bureaucrat [[wikt:nl:|WikiWoordenboek]]<br /> # --[[User:Gianfranco|g]] ([[User talk:Gianfranco|talk]]) 08:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC) it.wiki sysop, OTRS Team member, former WMI's regional coordinator<br /> # --[[User:Superpes15|Superpes15]] ([[User talk:Superpes15|talk]]) 09:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC) it.wiki rollbacker<br /> # --[[User:Steinsplitter|Steinsplitter]] ([[User talk:Steinsplitter|talk]]) 09:32, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Wikimedia Commons admin<br /> # --[[User:Ilsganirv|Ilsganirv]] ([[User talk:Ilsganirv|talk]]) 09:40, 25 June 2020 (UTC) - itwiki user and editor<br /> # [[User:Hatonjan|Hatonjan]] ([[User talk:Hatonjan|talk]]) 09:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC) frwiki user<br /> # [[User:Otourly|Otourly]] ([[User talk:Otourly|talk]]) 09:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC) frwikt & Wikimedia Commons admin<br /> # --[[User:Thibaut120094|Thibaut]] ([[User talk:Thibaut120094|talk]]) 10:12, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Wikimedia Commons and French Wiktionary admin, also OTRS member<br /> # [[User:Susannaanas|Susanna Ånäs (Susannaanas)]] ([[User talk:Susannaanas|talk]]) 10:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC) GLAM and open knowledge advocate, Wikidata, Wikibase, Wikimedia Commons, fiwiki, external reuse<br /> # --[[it:Utente:Capricornis crispus|C. crispus]] <sup>([[it:Discussioni utente:Capricornis crispus|talk]])</sup> 10:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC) – it.wiki user, active on Commons, Wikidata e somewhere else<br /> # [[User:Ayack|Ayack]] ([[User talk:Ayack|talk]]) 11:08, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Wikidata admin, fr.wiki, Commons and fr.wikisource user.<br /> # [[:fr:Discussion utilisateur:Simon Villeneuve|Simon Villeneuve]] 11:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC) - WikiMedia user, mainly on Wikidata, frwiki, but also on Commons, Wikiquote, Wiktionary, Wikisource, Wikinews, Wikibooks. There's not only one door to access [[:d:Q1430808|libre knowledge]].<br /> # --[[User:Postcrosser|Postcrosser]] ([[User talk:Postcrosser|talk]]) 11:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC) editor in it.wiki<br /> # [[User:GAllegre|GAllegre]] 11:46, 25 June 2020 (UTC) contributor on Wikidata, WP:fr, WP:en, Commons.<br /> # --[[User:Miihkali|Miihkali]] ([[User talk:Miihkali|talk]]) 12:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC) — [[:fi:Käyttäjä:Miihkali|Wikipedia contributor]] since 2005.<br /> # [[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|talk]]) 12:28, 25 June 2020 (UTC) frwiki and wikidata user.<br /> # [[User:Noé|Noé]] ([[User talk:Noé|talk]]) 12:30, 25 June 2020 (UTC) French Wiktionary, Wikisource, Wikipedia and Wikidata sometimes<br /> # [[User:01miki10|01miki10]] ([[User talk:01miki10|talk]]) 12:44, 25 June 2020 (UTC) mostly fiwiki<br /> # --[[User:Amarvudol|Amarvudol]] ([[User talk:Amarvudol|talk]]) 12:46, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Italian Wikipedia editor, former admin<br /> #--[[User:Bramfab|Bramfab]] ([[User talk:Bramfab|talk]]) 13:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC) it.wiki sysop<br /> # [[User:Lentokonefani|Lentokonefani]] ([[User talk:Lentokonefani|talk]]) 14:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC) fiwiki sysop and bureucrat<br /> # [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 14:45, 25 June 2020 (UTC) OTRS agent (a particular concern) and en-wiki admin<br /> # --[[User:Toniher|Toniher]] ([[User talk:Toniher|talk]]) 15:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --<font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;"> [[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] ([[User talk:Daniel Mietchen|talk]]) </font> 16:33, 25 June 2020 (UTC) &mdash; curating research-related content across Wikimedia projects<br /> # [[User:Das-g|das-g]] ([[User talk:Das-g|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC), user of and on-and-off contributor to several WikiMedia projects<br /> # --[[User:AB Louis|AB Louis]] ([[User talk:AB Louis|talk]]) 16:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Darmo117|Darmo]] ([[User talk:Darmo117|talk]]) 16:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Lepticed7|Lepticed7]] ([[User talk:Lepticed7|talk]]) 17:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Nitraus|Nitraus]] ([[User talk:Nitraus|talk]]) 17:25, 25 June 2020 (UTC), 14 years in Finnish Wikipedia and 8 years as a sysop there, sysop at Fi-Wikiquote, contributor at en-Wikipedia, Wikidata & Commons, several others less frequently<br /> # [[User:XanaG|Xana]] ([[User talk:XanaG|talk]]) 17:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Active mostly in es-wiki, sporadic contributor to other projects. Admin en es-wiki.<br /> # --[[User:Pom445|Pom445]] ([[User talk:Pom445|talk]]) 17:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:KorsoTV Uusi|KorsoTV Uusi]] ([[User talk:KorsoTV Uusi|talk]]) 17:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Finnish Wikipedia<br /> # --[[User:Valepert|valepert]] ([[User talk:Valepert|talk]]) 18:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC) it.wiki sysop<br /> # --[[User:DaB.|DaB.]] ([[User talk:DaB.|talk]]) 18:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Long-time-Wikipedian (since before there was an WMF) --[[User:DaB.|DaB.]] ([[User talk:DaB.|talk]]) 18:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Xenophôn|Xenophôn]] ([[User talk:Xenophôn|talk]]) 18:44, 25 June 2020 (UTC) frWiki<br /> # [[User:Fipen|Fipen]] ([[User talk:Fipen|talk]]) 18:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC) fiwiki user<br /> # --[[User:Linkkerpar|Linkkerpar]] ([[User talk:Linkkerpar|talk]]) 19:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Admin on Finnish Wikipedia.<br /> # [[User:Vorlod|Vorlod]] ([[User talk:Vorlod|talk]]) 19:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC), french contributor, principally frwikiquote administrator.<br /> # [[User:Assassas77|Assassas77]] ([[User talk:Assassas77|talk]]) 19:30, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Grijz|Grijz]] ([[User talk:Grijz|talk]]) 19:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC) former chair Wikimedia Netherlands, Dutch Wikipedian<br /> # [[User:MichaelSchoenitzer|MichaelSchoenitzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer|talk]]) 20:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --'''[[User:Superchilum|<span style="color:#209090;">Superchilum</span>]]'''<sup>([[User talk:Superchilum|talk to me!]])</sup> 20:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Remy34|Remy34]] ([[User talk:Remy34|talk]]) 20:50, 25 June 2020 (UTC), frwiki user<br /> # --[[User:Webfil|Webfil]] ([[User talk:Webfil|talk]]) 21:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Epiq|Epiq]] ([[User talk:Epiq|talk]]) 21:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC), Wikipedian since 2005<br /> # --[[User:125.239.124.81|125.239.124.81]] 21:30, 25 June (UTC). Spent a lot of my childhood vandalising wikipedia. Now contribute occasionally.<br /> # [[User:Mike Linksvayer|Mike Linksvayer]] ([[User talk:Mike Linksvayer|talk]]) 22:33, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Gmaxwell|Gmaxwell]] ([[User talk:Gmaxwell|talk]]) 22:36, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Całkiem anonimowy|Całkiem anonimowy]] ([[User talk:Całkiem anonimowy|talk]]) 22:37, 25 June 2020 (UTC) plwiki and enwiki contributor<br /> # [[User:Neko-chan|Neko-chan]] ([[User talk:Neko-chan|talk]]) 22:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC), English editor across several projects<br /> # [[User:Drannex|t. Macleod Sawyer]] ([[User talk:Drannex|talk]]) 22:40, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Tomskyhaha|Tomskyhaha]] ([[User talk:Tomskyhaha|talk]]) 22:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Géodigital|Géodigital]] ([[User talk:Géodigital|talk]]) 22:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC), french Wikipedia and fr-Wikinews administrator.<br /> # --<span style="text-shadow: 1px 1px 4px purple">[[User:Tinker Bell|Tinker Bell]] [[User_talk:Tinker Bell|<span style="color:#ed428d;font-size:1.4em">★</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Tinker Bell|<span style="color:#ed428d;font-size:1.1em">♥</span>]]</span> 22:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC) eswiki and wikidata user<br /> # [[User:Leijurv|Leijurv]] ([[User talk:Leijurv|talk]]) 23:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Mewtow|Mewtow]] ([[User talk:Mewtow|talk]]) 00:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC), contributor/author for Wikibooks(French).<br /> # ⇌ [[User_talk:Jake Wartenberg|Jake Wartenberg]] 00:24, 26 June 2020 (UTC), enwiki<br /> # [[User:Platonides|Platonides]] ([[User talk:Platonides|talk]]) 00:51, 26 June 2020 (UTC) eswiki Bureaucrat, sysop and oversight. Wikimedia Commons admin, MediaWiki developer, eswikiversity sysop, Wikimedia Spain member and longtime contributor to Wikimedia community<br /> # [[User:Chris.sherlock|Chris.sherlock]] ([[User talk:Chris.sherlock|talk]]) former en.wikipedia admin, founder of the en Admin's Noticeboard and creator of [citation needed]<br /> # [[User:MavropaliasG|MavropaliasG]] ([[User talk:MavropaliasG|talk]]) 00:56, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Smoothhenry|Smoothhenry]] ([[User talk:Smoothhenry|talk]]) 01:25, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Mindspillage|Kat Walsh]] [[User talk:Mindspillage|(talk)]] 02:08, 26 June 2020 (UTC) former Wikimedia board member<br /> # [[User:Sivizius|Sivizius]] ([[User talk:Sivizius|talk]]) 02:13, 26 June 2020 (UTC) Editor @ German Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata, ….<br /> # [[User:Skyfaller|Nelson Pavlosky]] ([[User talk:Skyfaller|talk]]) 02:48, 26 June 2020 (UTC) - Wikipedian since 2003<br /> #[[User:CyberTroopers|CyberTroopers]] ([[User talk:CyberTroopers|talk]]) 03:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC) - [[ms:Wikipedia bahasa Melayu|Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu]] editor<br /> # --[[User:Boatonagoat|Boatonagoat]] ([[User talk:Boatonagoat|talk]]) 03:23, 26 June 2020 (UTC)--[[User:Boatonagoat|Boatonagoat]] ([[User talk:Boatonagoat|talk]]) 03:23, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:CompuHacker|CompuHacker]] ([[User talk:CompuHacker|talk]]) 04:05, 26 June 2020 (UTC) '''Don't do it.'''<br /> # [[User:KodamPuli|KodamPuli]] ([[User talk:KodamPuli|talk]]) 05:16, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Majavah|Majavah]] <sup>[[User talk:Majavah|talk]]/[[Special:Contribs/Majavah|contribs]]/[[Special:CentralAuth/Majavah|sul]]</sup> 08:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC) editing {en,fi}.wikipedia, voluteer mediawiki developer, some toolforge tools<br /> # --sasha ([[User:Krassotkin|krassotkin]]) 08:21, 26 June 2020 (UTC) bureaucrat on Russian Wikinews, editor on several Wikimedia projects, Wikimedia OTRS member<br /> # [[User:Gipoza|Gipoza]] ([[User talk:Gipoza|talk]]) 08:38, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:ネイ|ネイ]] ([[User talk:ネイ|talk]]) 08:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC) Japanese Wikipedia admin<br /> # --[[User:Afnecors|Afnecors]] ([[User talk:Afnecors|talk]]) 09:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC) itwiki user and Wikimedia Italia member<br /> # [[User:Exec8|Exec8]] ([[User talk:Exec8|talk]]) 10:15, 26 June 2020 (UTC) volunteer, Philippine languages & en wiki editor, commons & wikidata contributor.<br /> # [[User:Joshua Issac|Joshua Issac]] ([[User talk:Joshua Issac|talk]]) 10:54, 26 June 2020 (UTC) - former Account Creation Interface admin; contributor on multiple Wikimedia projects<br /> # [[User:Ziko|Ziko]] ([[User talk:Ziko|talk]]) 11:29, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Johnstad Di Maria|<font style="color:#4682B4;">'''Johnstad'''</font>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Johnstad Di Maria|<font style="color:#4682B4;">'''Wanna Talk?'''</font>]]</sup> 11:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC) - Indonesian WIkipedia admin<br /> # --[[User:Danu Widjajanto|Danu Widjajanto]] ([[User talk:Danu Widjajanto|talk]]) 11:51, 26 June 2020 (UTC) - Indonesian Wikipedia admin<br /> # [[User:TMg|TMg]] 12:32, 26 June 2020 (UTC) – German Wikipedian since 2009<br /> # [[User:Aaronmhamilton|Aaronmhamilton]] ([[User talk:Aaronmhamilton|talk]]) 12:37, 26 June 2020 (UTC) - Casual contributor to Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikidata, and Commons<br /> # --[[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] ([[User talk:Ealdgyth|talk]]) 12:52, 26 June 2020 (UTC) English wikipedia admin (among other roles)<br /> # Andrew McCollumo - previous donor, occasional editor. As I said last time I was contacted by the foundation asking for another donation, this is a waste of donated money and I will not donate to support it.<br /> # [[User:ulflarsen|Ulf Larsen]] - contributor to Wikipedia in Norwegian Bokmål & Wikimedia Commons since 2004.<br /> # [[User:Dumbassman|Dumbassman]] ([[User talk:Dumbassman|talk]]) 14:30, 26 June 2020 (UTC) – Afrikaans admin and editor<br /> # [[User:Asav|Asav]] ([[User talk:Asav|talk]]) 14:32, 26 June 2020 (UTC) – Contributor since 2006.<br /> # [[User:Gustavf|Gustavf]] ([[User talk:Gustavf|talk]]) - de:Wp seit 2004, Vorstandsmitglied bei Wikimedia Österreich seit 2012<br /> # [[User:Nw520|Nw520]] ([[User talk:Nw520|talk]]) 15:23, 26 June 2020 (UTC) — Wikidata, deWikivoyage<br /> # [[User:Greenman|Greenman]] ([[User talk:Greenman|talk]]) 15:44, 26 June 2020 (UTC) — editor, primarily English WIkipedia<br /> # [[User:Mathis B|Mathis B]] ([[User talk:Mathis B|talk]]) 15:49, 26 June 2020 (UTC) – French Wikipedia editor<br /> # [[User talk:Fugitron|<sup>››</sup>]] [[User:Fugitron|Fugitron]] - 15:53, 26 June 2020 (UTC) – frwiki admin<br /> # [[User:Utl jung|Utl jung]] ([[User talk:Utl jung|talk]]) 16:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC) - mostly en-wiki, in Residence<br /> # [[User:Sijysuis|Sijysuis]] ([[User talk:Sijysuis|talk]]) 16:18, 26 June 2020 (UTC) – French Wikipedia editor<br /> # [[User:AirSThib|AirSThib]] <sup>🌌 [[User talk:AirSThib|Cyclist stars cafeteria]] 🚴</sup> 16:20, 26 June 2020 (UTC) - Principaly French Wikinews (administrator), Wikipedia<br /> # —&nbsp;'''[[User:Jules78120|<span style="color:#fc3">Jules</span>]] <sup><small style="border-bottom:1px solid #000;">[[User talk:Jules78120|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:#000">Talk</span>]]</small></sup>''' 16:23, 26 June 2020 (UTC) – French Wikipedia editor (& administrator, etc.)<br /> # [[User:Jpgibert|Jpgibert]] ([[User talk:Jpgibert|talk]]) 16:35, 26 June 2020 (UTC) - french Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Commons and Wikidata editor<br /> # [[user:Acélan|Acélan]] admin on french wikisource, contributor on Wikipedia and Commons<br /> # [[User:Haros|Haros]] Wikipedian since 2004. no.wikipedia bureaucrat, contributor to Commons and Wikidata.<br /> # [[User:FoeNyx|FoeNyx]] ([[User talk:FoeNyx|talk]]) 16:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC) — editor mostly on fr-wiki, fr-wikt, wikidata<br /> # [[User:Grasyop|Grasyop]] <sup>[[User talk:Grasyop|✉]]</sup> 17:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC) – Contributeur à la Wikipédia francophone, principalement. Contributor to Wikipedia in French, mainly.<br /> # --[[User:Omondi|Omondi]] ([[User talk:Omondi|talk]]) 17:10, 26 June 2020 (UTC) admin on french Wikivoyage<br /> # --[[User:GrandEscogriffe|GrandEscogriffe]] ([[User talk:GrandEscogriffe|talk]]) 17:12, 26 June 2020 (UTC) fr.wikipedia & wikidata editor<br /> # --[[User:Petit-Domido|Petit-Domido]] ([[User talk:Petit-Domido|talk]]) 17:15, 26 June 2020 (UTC) french Wikipedia, Commons (as Poudou99) and Wikidata editor<br /> # [[User:Iñaki LL|Iñaki LL]] ([[User talk:Iñaki LL|talk]]) 18:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC) [[Basque Wikimedians User Group|EWKE/BWUG]], longtime Commons, Basque and English WP editor<br /> # [[User:TigH|TigH]] ([[User talk:TigH|talk]]) 18:08, 26 June 2020 (UTC) French Wikipedia editor (& administrator)<br /> # [[User:Sukkoria|Sukkoria]] ([[User talk:Sukkoria|talk]]) 18:20, 26 June 2020 (UTC) fr.wikipedia, wikidata, commons, fr.wiktionary (and others)<br /> # [[User:Erdrokan|Erdrokan]] ([[User talk:Erdrokan|talk]]) 18:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC) fr.wikipedia, commons, since 2005<br /> #--[[User:Ceancata|Ceancata]] ([[User talk:Ceancata|talk]]) 18:54, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> #[[User:Hégésippe Cormier|Hégésippe]] &#124; [[User talk:Hégésippe Cormier|±Θ±]] 19:16, 26 June 2020 (UTC) + 19:19, 26 June 2020 (UTC) User since 2004, mostly on fr.wikipedia.org.<br /> # <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:DerFussi|Der]][[User talk:DerFussi|Fussi]]</span> 19:18, 26 June 2020 (UTC) -- Former Chairman of the board of the association Wikivoyage e.V.<br /> # [[User:Cyril5555|Cyril5555]] ([[User talk:Cyril5555|talk]]) 19:21, 26 June 2020 (UTC) French Wikipedia editor<br /> # --[[User:Cbyd|Cbyd]] ([[User talk:Cbyd|talk]]) 19:44, 26 June 2020 (UTC) User since 2007, mostly on WPfr and wikidata, former ArbCom.<br /> # [[User:Alcide talon|Alcide talon]] ([[User talk:Alcide talon|talk]]) 20:05, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 20:16, 26 June 2020 (UTC) French Wikipedia editor since 2014, sysop and checkuser<br /> # [[w:it:User:Ciccio81ge|User:Ciccio81ge]] [[User:Ciccio81ge|Ciccio81ge]] ([[User talk:Ciccio81ge|talk]]) 20:44, 26 June 2020 (UTC) Italian and English Wikipedia editor<br /> # [[User:Sumurai8|Sumurai8]] ([[User talk:Sumurai8|talk]]) 20:57, 26 June 2020 (UTC) Editor and admin on the Dutch Wikipedia<br /> # [[User:Laurent Jerry|Laurent Jerry]] ([[User talk:Laurent Jerry|talk]]) 21:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Sakretsu|Sakretsu]] ([[User talk:Sakretsu|炸裂]]) 21:12, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Bob Saint Clar|Bob Saint Clar]] ([[User talk:Bob Saint Clar|talk]]), frwiki editor — 21:15, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Romuald 2|Romuald 2]] ([[User talk:Romuald 2|talk]]) 21:31, 26 June 2020 (UTC) fr.wikipedia, wikidata<br /> # [[User:Mwarf|Mwarf]] ([[User talk:Mwarf|talk]]) 21:42, 26 June 2020 (UTC) frwiki editor<br /> # --[[User:Jahl de Vautban|Jahl de Vautban]] ([[User talk:Jahl de Vautban|talk]]) 22:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC) — fr.wikisource, wikidata<br /> # [[User:Uncommon fritillary|Uncommon fritillary]] ([[User talk:Uncommon fritillary|talk]]) 23:37, 26 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Rhadamante|Rhadamante]] ([[User talk:Rhadamante|talk]]) 00:27, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Sannita|Sannita]] - <small>''[[User talk:Sannita|not just another it.wiki sysop]]''</small> 00:31, 27 June 2020 (UTC) -- Italian Wikipedia and Wikidata admin, OTRS-it member, former Wikimedia Italy Board member (2014-2017)<br /> #[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) interwiki contributor. One entity does not have the expected influence, another has enough. Taking the name of one and assigning it to the other is far from the best solution. In my country, there is an adage to define this absurdity: ''{{tq|Déshabiller Pierre pour habiller Paul}}''. And I see important WMedians from the first hour in this list…<br /> # [[User:Sturm|Sturm]] ([[User talk:Sturm|talk]]) 01:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC) pt.wikipedia admin since 2006<br /> # [[User:Cantons-de-l&#39;Est|Cantons-de-l&#39;Est]] ([[User talk:Cantons-de-l&#39;Est|talk]]) 01:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC) 11-year Wikimedia contributor. French Wikipedia administrator, French Wikisource, Wikimedia Commons, French Wiktionary, Wikidata, [[:w:fr:Modèle:Palette RAW|RAW main contributor]], Meta-Wiki translator to French.<br /> #[[User:Kaviraf|Kaviraf]] ([[User talk:Kaviraf|talk]]) French Wikisource, French Wiktionaire, Wikimedia Commons, Meta.wikimedia, fr.Wikipedia, Mediawiki.org. Wikidata.org --[[User:Kaviraf|Kaviraf]] ([[User talk:Kaviraf|talk]]) 06:43, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> #[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) Wikimedia Commons, LGBT+ User Group.<br /> #[[User:Ilham.nurwansah|Ilham.nurwansah]] ([[User talk:Ilham.nurwansah|talk]]) 09:14, 27 June 2020 (UTC) Sundanese Wikipedia admin.<br /> # [[User:Cosmophilus|Cosmophilus]] ([[User talk:Cosmophilus|talk]]) 09:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC) - French Wikipedia contributor.<br /> #[[User:Golmore|Golmore]] ([[w:fr:User talk:Golmore|talk]]) 09:48, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # → [[User:Man77|'''««''']]&nbsp;Man77&nbsp;[[User talk:Man77|'''»»''']]&nbsp;<sup>[[:de:User:Man77|[de]]]</sup> 09:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC) Wikipedian. You now where to go to see what on-wiki CV I ''could'' present.<br /> # [[User:Kimsaka|Kimsaka]] ([[User talk:Kimsaka|talk]]) 10:50, 27 June 2020 (UTC) Adm norwegian BM-WP<br /> # --[[User:Tino|Tino]] ([[User talk:Tino|talk]]) 11:09, 27 June 2020 (UTC) English and Italian Wikipedia contributor since 2008.<br /> # [[User:RonnieV|RonnieV]] ([[User talk:RonnieV|talk]]) 11:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC) Wikimedian since 2008, mostly active on and behind the Dutch Wikipedia, on WikiData and Wikimedia Commons. Former ArbCom and Admin on the Dutch Wikipedia<br /> # [[User:Bahnfrend|Bahnfrend]] ([[User talk:Bahnfrend|talk]]) 11:34, 27 June 2020 (UTC) Australian Wikimedian since 2010, mostly on English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons; also a participant in ESEAP and at Wikimania<br /> # Not this rebranding, and not this process. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] ([[User talk:MER-C|talk]]) 11:53, 27 June 2020 (UTC) (en.wp admin)<br /> # [[:no:Bruker:Frankemann|Frankemann]] contributor to Wikipedia in Norwegian Bokmål since 2013. --[[User:Frankemann|Frankemann]] ([[User talk:Frankemann|talk]]) 11:57, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Girart de Roussillon|Girart de Roussillon]] ([[User talk:Girart de Roussillon|talk]]) 12:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Martin-78|Martin-78]] ([[w:fr:User talk:Martin-78|talk]]) - French patroller and editor on French WP --[[User:Martin-78|Martin-78]] ([[User talk:Martin-78|talk]]) 12:16, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:JohnNewton8|<font color="#204000">Joh</font><font color="#206000">nNe</font><font color="#208000">wto</font><font color="#20A000">n8</font>]] <sup>'''(SysOp)''' [[User talk:JohnNewton8|[Viens !]]]</sup>, frwiki admin. 14:40, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[:en:User:AllyD|AllyD]]: mostly active on enwiki. [[User:AllyD|AllyD]] ([[User talk:AllyD|talk]]) 12:56, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Dank|Dank]]: active on en.wp since 2007. 13:04, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Kvardek du|Kvardek du]] ([[User talk:Kvardek du|talk]]) : frwiki sysop, OTRS volunteer. 13:36, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Lomita|Lomita]] ([[User talk:Lomita|talk]]) : active on fr.wp since 2009, frwiki sysop, OS - 15:42, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:QEDK|QEDK]] ([[User talk:QEDK|talk]] 桜 [[:en:User:QEDK|enwiki]]) 13:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC) — enwiki sysop, OTRS volunteer<br /> # [[User:AleXXw|AleXXw]] ([[User talk:AleXXw|talk]]) 14:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC) - dewp, commons<br /> # --[[User:1971markus|1971markus]] ([[User talk:1971markus|talk]]) 14:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Karl Gruber|Karl Gruber]] ([[User talk:Karl Gruber|talk]]) 14:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:GrandCelinien|GrandCelinien]] ([[User talk:GrandCelinien|talk]]) 14:25, 27 June 2020 (UTC) - fr.wp sysop<br /> # --[[User:Atamari|Atamari]] ([[User talk:Atamari|talk]]) 14:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 14:33, 27 June 2020 (UTC) (since 2004, formerly sysop and bct on more projects, now bct oldwikisource, WMDE)<br /> #[[User:Fhala.K|Fhala.K]] ([[User talk:Fhala.K|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> #[[User:Bounè rodzo|Bounè rodzo]] ([[User talk:Bounè rodzo|talk]]) 14:36, 27 June 2020 (UTC) - fr.wp<br /> # [[User:Habitator terrae|Habitator terrae]] ([[User talk:Habitator terrae|talk]]) 14:38, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Actormusicus|Actormusicus]] ([[User talk:Actormusicus|talk]]) 14:52, 27 June 2020 (UTC) it.wiki admin<br /> # [[User:S Marshall|S Marshall]] ([[User talk:S Marshall|talk]]) 14:56, 27 June 2020 (UTC) English Wikipedia editor<br /> # [[User:Millbart|Millbart]] ([[User talk:Millbart|talk]]) 14:56, 27 June 2020 (UTC) de.wp since 2005, former admin and oversighter, OTRS agent where all (!) currently proposed renaming proposals would become very disruptive and incredibly confusing (Try explaining to an uninitiated outsider the difference between Wikipedia and Wikipedia $ORGANISATION in less than three sentences. What are the odds said person will understand and remember this?)<br /> # [[User:Magiers|Magiers]] ([[User talk:Magiers|talk]]) 15:26, 27 June 2020 (UTC) de.wp, former admin but mainly author<br /> # [[User:OhKayeSierra|OhKayeSierra]] ([[User talk:OhKayeSierra|talk]]) 15:27, 27 June 2020 (UTC) en.wp editor<br /> # [[User:Pic-Sou|Pic-Sou]] ([[User talk:Pic-Sou|talk]]) 15:36, 27 June 2020 (UTC) – fr.wp editor since 2006<br /> # [[User:DCB|DCB]] ([[User talk:DCB|talk]]) 15:44, 27 June 2020 (UTC) – dewiki and Wikimedia Commons editor, OTRS administrator<br /> # [[User:JoRgE-1987|JoRgE-1987]] ([[User talk:JoRgE-1987|talk]]) 15:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC) -- es.wp editor since 2006.<br /> # --[[User:Aschmidt|Aschmidt]] ([[User talk:Aschmidt|talk]]) 15:52, 27 June 2020 (UTC) -- German Wikipedia since 2005<br /> # --[[User:Daniele Pugliesi|Daniele Pugliesi]] ([[User talk:Daniele Pugliesi|talk]]) 15:53, 27 June 2020 (UTC) Member of Wikimedia Italia and volunteer since 2008 on it.wikipedia, commons, it.wiktionary, en.wikipedia, it.wikibooks, wikidata, meta, it.wikivoyage, etc...<br /> # --[[User:Holder|Holder]] ([[User talk:Holder|talk]]) 16:02, 27 June 2020 (UTC) global sysop, alswiki<br /> # --[[User:Guerillero|<span style="color: #0b0080">Guerillero</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color: green;">Parlez Moi</span>]]</sup> 16:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # '''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 16:32, 27 June 2020 (UTC), en.wikipedia admin, wikidata admin, former steward<br /> # --[[User:Lmalena|Lmalena]] ([[User talk:Lmalena|talk]]) 16:49, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> #[[User:Nyamo Kurosawa|Nyamo Kurosawa]] ([[User talk:Nyamo Kurosawa|talk]]) 17:26, 27 June 2020 (UTC), somewhat active editor on enwiki, wikidata and wikimedia commons<br /> # [[User:Malosse|Malosse]] ([[User talk:Malosse|talk]]) Contributeur majoritairement sur le Wikipedia francophone (and rarely on the English language version) [[User:Malosse|Malosse]] ([[User talk:Malosse|talk]]) 17:56, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Agatino Catarella|Agatino Catarella]] ([[User talk:Agatino Catarella|talk]]) 17:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:StYxXx|StYxXx]] ([[User talk:StYxXx|talk]]) 18:00, 27 June 2020 (UTC) Since 2004, primarily but not exclusively on de-wiki – please reconsider your overall attitude torwards the community<br /> # <span style="padding:1px 2px;background:#000000;border:1px solid"><b style="color:white">Indrajit</b></span><span style="padding:2px 5px;background:#ff0080;">[[user talk:Indrajitdas|<b style="color: #000000;">Das</b>]]</span> 18:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Lebob|Lebob]] ([[User talk:Lebob|talk]]) 18:31, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Amkgp|Amkgp]] ([[User talk:Amkgp|talk]]) 18:43, 27 June 2020 (UTC) en-wiki, wikivoyage, commons and wikidata editor<br /> # [[User:Kaartic | Kaartic]] <sup>[[User talk:Kaartic | correct me, if i'm wrong]]</sup> 18:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:ThePlatypusofDoom|ThePlatypusofDoom]] ([[User talk:ThePlatypusofDoom|talk]]) 19:08, 27 June 2020 (UTC) enwiki editor<br /> # --[[User:Einsamer Schütze|Einsamer Schütze]] ([[User talk:Einsamer Schütze|talk]]) 19:14, 27 June 2020 (UTC) dewiki and Commons contributor<br /> # [[User:M0tty|M0tty]] ([[User talk:M0tty|talk]]) 19:19, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 19:38, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:HHill|HHill]] ([[User talk:HHill|talk]]) 19:44, 27 June 2020 (UTC) de.wikipedia and wikidata editor<br /> # --[[User:Ernest-Mtl|Ernest-Mtl]] ([[User talk:Ernest-Mtl|talk]]) 20:04, 27 June 2020 (UTC) Wikisource editor<br /> # [[User:Geanixx|Geanixx]] ([[User talk:Geanixx|talk]]) 20:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC) no.wikipedia admin and contributor since 2007<br /> # '''~''[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C">Super</span>]]''[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 20:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC) EN Wikipedia, Commons (WLM US), OTRS, Wikimedia DC Board, Ohio Wikimedians, WikiConference NA organizer - signing in personal capacity.<br /> # [[User:Tazerdadog|Tazerdadog]] ([[User talk:Tazerdadog|talk]]) 20:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:MarcelBuehner|MarcelBuehner]] ([[User talk:MarcelBuehner|talk]]) 21:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 21:25, 27 June 2020 (UTC) frwiki, frwikt, frwikinews, frwikivoyage and commons editor<br /> # [[User:Wugapodes|Wugapodes]] ([[User talk:Wugapodes|talk]]) 21:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC) sysop on EnWikipedia and MediaWiki, WikiVoyage and Commons contributor<br /> # [[User:The Squirrel Conspiracy|The Squirrel Conspiracy]] ([[User talk:The Squirrel Conspiracy|talk]]) 21:49, 27 June 2020 (UTC), Commons admin, EnWiki editor<br /> # From Uruguay with love, [[User:NaBUru38|NaBUru38]] ([[User talk:NaBUru38|talk]]) 21:56, 27 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Agusbou2015|Agusbou2015]] ([[User talk:Agusbou2015|talk]]) 22:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC) eswiki and enwiki editor<br /> # --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 22:35, 27 June 2020 (UTC) dewiki, WMDE<br /> # —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="border-radius:10px;background:blue"><span style="color:aqua">&nbsp;python</span><span style="color:#ff0">coder&nbsp;</span></span>]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 22:48, 27 June 2020 (UTC) (en.wp)<br /> # [[User:Llywrch|Llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 23:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC) 18+ year volunteer at en.wikipedia, other projects less devotedly<br /> # [[User:Romaine|Romaine]] ([[User talk:Romaine|talk]]) 00:34, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Pequod76|Pequod<span style="color:#008000;">76</span>]]<sup>(''[[user talk:Pequod76|talk]]'')</sup> 00:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Italian Wikipedia sysop, WikiMedia Commons, Wikidata, Italian Wikisource.<br /> # [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] ([[User talk:Guettarda|talk]]) 02:30, 28 June 2020 (UTC) enwp editor (since 2004) and admin (since 2005)<br /> # [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 02:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC) - En.wiki and Commons editor since June 2005<br /> # [[User:Pelagic|Pelagic]] ([[User talk:Pelagic|talk]]) 04:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC) — en-wp, mediawiki, wikisource, commons, data.<br /> # --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 04:28, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Can I Log In|Can I Log In]] ([[User talk:Can I Log In|talk]]) 05:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[:en:user:Vinguru|Vinguru]] ([[en:User talk:Vinguru|talk]]) - contributor to Wikipedia in Norwegian Bokmål & Wikimedia Commons since 2010<br /> # [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 06:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC) - English Wikipedia, OTRS. I don't know if a rebranding is the wrong thing to do, but I do know that this is the wrong way to do it.<br /> # [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 07:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC) - editing the English Wikipedia since 2007.<br /> # --[[User:Uncitoyen|Uncitoyen]]<sup>[[User talk:Uncitoyen|talk]]</sup> 07:50, 28 June 2020 (UTC) - administrator and checkuser on tr.wikipedia, global rollbacker, OTRS-agent<br /> #[[User:Aury88|Aury88]] ([[User talk:Aury88|talk]]) 08:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC) - Wikimedia Italia community member and contributor in it.wikipedia since 2006, plus other projects.<br /> # - [[User:Evad37|Evad37]] ([[User talk:Evad37|talk]]) 09:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Yiyi|Yiyi]] ([[User talk:Yiyi|talk]]) 09:37, 28 June 2020 (UTC) - Italian Wikipedia admin (user since 2007). Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons and Wikisource contributor. Wiki Loves Earth Italy local team<br /> # --[[User:Jocian|Jocian]] ([[User talk:Jocian|talk]]) 11:18, 28 June 2020 (UTC) de.wp editor since 2007<br /> # [[User:Theo Oppewal|Theo Oppewal]] ([[User talk:Theo Oppewal|talk]]) 11:45, 28 June 2020 (UTC) - nlwiki user<br /> # -- [[User:Ra&#39;ike|Ra&#39;ike]] ([[User talk:Ra&#39;ike|talk]]) 13:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC) de:Wiki'''p'''edia since 2005, Wiki'''m'''edia Commons since 2006 and OTRS member for the Wiki'''m'''edia projects<br /> # --[[User:Rax|Rax]] ([[User talk:Rax|talk]]) 14:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC) de.wikipedian since 2004 (editor, sysop, checkuser); Wikimedia Commons contributor<br /> # --[[User:Puzzledvegetable|Puzzledvegetable]] ([[User talk:Puzzledvegetable|talk]]) 15:06, 28 June 2020 (UTC) English Wikipedia user since 2018<br /> # --[[User:Udo T.|Udo T.]] ([[User talk:Udo T.|talk]]) 15:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC) de.wikipedia (editor since 2004) and de.wiktionary (editor since 2015 and sysop since 2016)<br /> # magnum. [[User:Paul.schrepfer|Paul.schrepfer]] ([[User talk:Paul.schrepfer|talk]]) 16:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Utilisateur de Wikipédia et Commons.<br /> # [[User:Tozina|Tozina]] ([[User talk:Tozina|talk]]) 17:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC) German Wikipedia editor and Wikimedia Commons contributor<br /> # [[User:Altamel|Altamel]] ([[User talk:Altamel|talk]]) 17:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:WereSpielChequers|WereSpielChequers]] ([[User talk:WereSpielChequers|talk]]) 17:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Editor on many projects from WikiBooks to WikiVoyage. Bureaucrat on EN Wikipedia<br /> # --[[User:Franz van Lanzee|Franz van Lanzee]] ([[User talk:Franz van Lanzee|talk]]) 17:38, 28 June 2020 (UTC) it.wiki editor<br /> # [[User:Mxn|Minh <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">Nguyễn</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Mxn|<span style="display: inline-block;">&#x1f4ac;</span>]]</sup> 18:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC) contributor to English wikis since 2003, administrator on Vietnamese wikis since 2003, maintainer of [[project portals]] since 2005, evangelist to likeminded free culture projects<br /> # [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 18:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC) English Wikipedia administrator, active since 2004<br /> # [[User:CristianNX|CristianNX]] ([[User talk:CristianNX|talk]]) 18:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Italian Wikipedia, Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons contributor. Wiki Loves Earth Italy local team<br /> # [[User:Shawn|Shawn]] ([[User talk:Shawn|talk]]) 19:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC) French Wikipedia contributor & administrator<br /> # -- [[User:Achim Raschka|Achim Raschka]] ([[User talk:Achim Raschka|talk]]) 19:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC) , German sysop and author, wikidata and wikimedia commons contibutor<br /> # --[[User:Snookerado|Snookerado]] ([[User talk:Snookerado|talk]]) 19:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC) German Wikipedia and Wikidata contributor<br /> # --[[User:JD|JD]] [[User talk:JD|{æ}]] 19:28, 28 June 2020 (UTC) contributor since 2004 & admin on German wikipedia; every now and then active on commons, en.wikipedia.org, wikidata and more.<br /> # --[[User:Timk70|Timk70]] ([[User talk:Timk70|talk]]) 19:30, 28 June 2020 (UTC) German Wikipedia administrator and Dutch Wikipedia editor<br /> # --[[User:Aka|Aka]] ([[User talk:Aka|talk]]) 19:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Wikipedian since 01/2003, sysop in German Wikipedia and sysop in Wikimedia Commons, more than 2.500.000 contributions in German Wikipedia<br /> # --[[User:Alraunenstern|Alraunenstern۞]] 19:36, 28 June 2020 (UTC) de.wikipedian since 2009 (editor, sysop, checkuser)<br /> # --[[User:Gestumblindi|Gestumblindi]] ([[User talk:Gestumblindi|talk]]) 19:38, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Active author and sysop in German-language Wikipedia; photographer and sysop on Wikimedia Commons; active in the community since 2004 (first edits in English Wikipedia 2003); participation in GLAM projects.<br /> # --[[User:Schraubenbürschchen|Schraubenbürschchen]] ([[User talk:Schraubenbürschchen|talk]]) 19:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC) just a german author<br /> # --[[User:Itti|Itti]] ([[User talk:Itti|talk]]) 19:41, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Wikipedian since 2005 on dewiki editor, sysop, bureaucrat<br /> # --[[User:Stefan64|Stefan64]] ([[User talk:Stefan64|talk]]) 19:45, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Wikipedian since 2004, admin and oversighter on de.wikipedia.org<br /> # --[[User:Zinnmann|Zinnmann]] ([[User talk:Zinnmann|talk]]) 19:46, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Wikipedian since 2004, sysop on dewiki, contributor to commons, wikidata and wikisource<br /> # --[[User:Jonathunder|Jonathunder]] ([[User talk:Jonathunder|talk]]) 19:49, 28 June 2020 (UTC) (editor for more than 15 years; admin on English Wikipedia)<br /> # [[User:Chaddy|Chaddy]] ([[User talk:Chaddy|talk]]) 19:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Wikipedian since 2005<br /> # --[[User:EVinente|EVinente]] ([[User talk:EVinente|talk]]) 19:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC). Former ombuds member, sysop, checkuser and oversighter at Wikipedia in Portuguese.<br /> # --[[User:Kein Einstein|Kein Einstein]] ([[User talk:Kein Einstein|talk]]) 19:55, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Wikipedian since 2007, sysop in German Wikipedia<br /> # [[User:Nasiruddin|Nasiruddin]] ([[User talk:Nasiruddin|talk]]) 19:59, 28 June 2020 (UTC) dewiki-editor since 2005<br /> # [[User:Lantus|Lantus]] ([[User talk:Lantus|talk]]) 20:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC) auther since exactly 16 years, member of de-arbcom; activ in at least 6 Wikimedia projects.<br /> # [[User:XenonX3|XenonX3]] ([[User talk:XenonX3|talk]]) 20:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Wikimedia author since 2006, dewiki-admin, OTRS member, former dewiki-oversight<br /> # [[User:Matiia|Matiia]] ([[User talk:Matiia|talk]]) 20:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Wikimedia steward, Meta-Wiki admin & bureaucrat<br /> # [[User:Ralf Roletschek|Ralf Roletschek]] ([[User talk:Ralf Roletschek|talk]]) 20:32, 28 June 2020 (UTC) sysop of german Wikiversity, Wikipedian since 2003, 50.000+ own photos in commons<br /> # [[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 21:06, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 21:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC) en.wp editor for over 10 years<br /> # -[[User:Theklan|Theklan]] ([[User talk:Theklan|talk]]) 21:15, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Wikimedian, sysop of Basque Wikipedia and Basque Wikibooks, co-creator of Txikipedia and editor at Wikidata and Commons.<br /> # --[[User:Barcelona|Barcelona]] ([[User talk:Barcelona|talk]]) 21:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC) from Catalan Wikipedia<br /> # --[[User:MSchnitzler2000|MSchnitzler2000]] ([[User talk:MSchnitzler2000|talk]]) 21:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Markus Schnitzler, author on de.wiki since 2004<br /> # [[User:Ahmad252|Ahmad]]<sup>[[User Talk:Ahmad252|talk]]</sup> 21:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] ([[User talk:Fuzheado|talk]]) 21:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Superbass|Superbass]] ([[User talk:Superbass|talk]]) 21:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)Wikipedian since 2004, sysop on dewiki, contributor to commons, OTRS-Agent<br /> # --[[User:Johannes Maximilian|Johannes Maximilian]] ([[User talk:Johannes Maximilian|talk]]) 21:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Jordi|Jordi]] ([[User talk:Jordi|talk]]) 22:01, 28 June 2020 (UTC) — German WP editor and contributor to several other language versions and Commons since 2005<br /> # --<span style="text-shadow:#0000FF 1px 1px 2px; class=texhtml">[[User:Luke081515|Luke]][[user talk:Luke081515|081515]]</span> 22:07, 28 June 2020 (UTC) — German WP editor and arbcom-member<br /> # --[[User:Medol|Medol]] ([[User talk:Medol|talk]]) 22:23, 28 June 2020 (UTC) from Catalan Wikipedia<br /> # --[[User:Druschba 4|Druschba 4]] ([[User talk:Druschba 4|talk]]) 22:46, 28 June 2020 (UTC) German Wikipedian since 2014, editor and file mover on commons<br /> # [[User:Wostr|Wostr]] ([[User talk:Wostr|talk]]) 22:47, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Sophie Elisabeth|Sophie Elisabeth]] ([[User talk:Sophie Elisabeth|talk]]) 22:56, 28 June 2020 (UTC) dewiki editor since 2010, arbcom-member<br /> # --[[User:Emeritus|Emeritus]] ([[User talk:Emeritus|talk]]) 23:24, 28 June 2020 (UTC) wiki''pedian'' since 2006, dewiki, ptwiki, wikidata, commons<br /> # --[[User:Mysterious Whisper|Mysterious Whisper]] ([[User talk:Mysterious Whisper|talk]]) 23:29, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Agruwie|Agruwie]] ([[User talk:Agruwie|talk]]) 23:34, 28 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # -- [[User:Friduxa|Friduxa]] ([[User talk:Friduxa|talk]]) 00:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # -- [[User:Staszek Lem|Staszek Lem]] ([[User talk:Staszek Lem|talk]]) 00:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC) - en:wiki editor for over 10 years<br /> # [[User:Ionmars10|Ionmars10]] ([[User talk:Ionmars10|talk]]) 00:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC) English Wikipedia editor<br /> # <span style="background-color:#EEE; font-size: 1.2em; padding:.15em .45em;"><b>[[User:Quantocius_Quantotius|<span style="color:#800000;">&#119980;</span>]][[User_Talk:Quantocius_Quantotius|<span style="color:#800000;">&#120084;</span>]]</b></span> 00:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Benjaminikuta|Benjamin]] ([[User talk:Benjaminikuta|talk]]) 01:11, 29 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Yurik|Yurik]] ([[User talk:Yurik|talk]]) 02:20, 29 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Niki.L|Niki.L]] ([[User talk:Niki.L|talk]]) 02:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC) German-language Wikipedian and contributor to Commons since 2006<br /> # --'''[[User:OlEnglish|OlEnglish]]''' <sup>([[User talk:OlEnglish|Talk]])</sup> 03:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC) enwiki admin<br /> # --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 04:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC) English Wikipedia editor.<br /> # &mdash;[[user:Viciarg|<span style="color:#000000;text-decoration:none;">viciarg</span>]]<sup>[[user talk:Viciarg|<span style="color:#000000;text-decoration:none;">414</span>]]</sup> 04:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC) Community member, contributor, editor for 15 years. The WMF needs to stop wasting donation money for nonsensical projects and needs to get back in touch with the community which generates the content from which the Foundation generates its income.<br /> # --[[User:Runi Gerardsen|Runi Gerardsen]] ([[User talk:Runi Gerardsen|talk]]) 05:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC) fr.wikipedia, Wikidata, Commons<br /> # --[[User:Quarz|Quarz]] ([[User talk:Quarz|talk]]) 05:50, 29 June 2020 (UTC) de-WP since 2004, Commons, wikidata<br /> # --[[User:Mad melone|Mad melone]] ([[User talk:Mad melone|talk]]) 05:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC) de-WP, commons, wd<br /> # --[[User:Godewind|Godewind]] ([[User talk:Godewind|talk]]) 06:03, 29 June 2020 (UTC) de-WP since 2005, Commons, Wikidata<br /> # --[[User:Olei|Olei]] ([[User talk:Olei|talk]]) German Wikipedia since 2005<br /> # --[[User:Höyhens|Höyhens]] ([[User talk:Höyhens|talk]]) 06:12, 29 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:He3nry|He3nry]] ([[User talk:He3nry|talk]]) 06:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC), de-WP since 2005, Admin, OS<br /> # --[[User:Fano|Fano]] ([[User talk:Fano|talk]]) 06:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC), de-WP since 2006, a bit en-WP, Commos and Wikidata as well<br /> # [[User:Saederup92|Saederup92]] ([[User talk:Saederup92|talk]]) 06:37, 29 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:woooowoooo2|woooowoooo2]] 06:38, 29 June 2020 (UTC), lurker. Renaming to Wikipedia elevates Wikipedia's importance at the expense of its sister projects.<br /> # --[[User:Label5|Label5]], Wikimedia author since 2007 dewiki<br /> # --[[User:Redrobsche|Redrobsche]] ([[User talk:Redrobsche|talk]]) 07:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC), de-WP and Commons since 2009<br /> # --[[User:Voyager|voyager]] ([[User talk:Voyager|talk]]) 07:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC) de-WP author since 2004<br /> # --[[User:Elop|Elop]] ([[User talk:Elop|talk]]) 07:31, 29 June 2020 (UTC) (de., commons since 2006)<br /> # --[[User:Chewbacca2205|Chewbacca2205]] ([[User talk:Chewbacca2205|talk]]) 07:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC) Wikipedian since 2013 on dewiki; editor and sysop<br /> # --[[User:Wuselig|Wuselig]] ([[User talk:Wuselig|talk]]) 07:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC), de-WP since 2005, Commons (2006), Wikisource between (2006 - 2011), Meta-Wikimedia (2008), Wikidata (2014), Verein Wikimedia Deutschland (2018), Participant and Organizer in WLM, WLE and GLAM<br /> # --[[User:Maimaid|Maimaid]] ([[User talk:Maimaid|talk]]) 07:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC), de-WP author since 2015, also contributor to Commons and Wikidata<br /> # [[User:O.Koslowski|O.Koslowski]] ([[User talk:O.Koslowski|talk]]) 08:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC) de-WP since 2005, Commons, Wikidata, Member of the German OTRS-Team<br /> # --[[User:Arndtmc1|Arndtmc1]] ([[User talk:Arndtmc1|talk]]) 08:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC), de-WP since 2009<br /> # --[[User:Belladonna*|Belladonna*]] ([[User talk:Belladonna*|talk]]) 09:00, 29 June 2020 (UTC) de-WP since 2007, fr-WP, Commons.<br /> # --[[User:Unapersona|Unapersona]] ([[User talk:Unapersona|talk]]) 09:15, 29 June 2020 (UTC), Catalan Wikimedia projects, [[Amical Wikimedia]] member.<br /> # --[[User:9xl|9xl]] ([[User talk:9xl|talk]]) 09:20, 29 June 2020 (UTC) contributor to de.wikisource and commons</div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:9xl/global.css&diff=13622278 User:9xl/global.css 2015-09-14T11:49:30Z

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9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rjensen&diff=12247127 User:Rjensen 2015-05-21T07:18:26Z

<p>9xl: {{delete|Linkspam --~~~~}}</p> <hr /> <div>{{delete|Linkspam --[[User:9xl|9xl]] ([[User talk:9xl|talk]]) 07:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)}}<br /> I’m Richard Jensen, a retired history professor living in Montana. I have added 91,000 edits to Wikipedia since 2005, primarily in the area of American history and modern history. My specialty is beefing up the bibliographies, as well as adding content in political, economic, social and military history. Back the 1990s, I set up H-Net, a network with over 100 e-mail discussion lists for humanities scholars and graduate students. For 20 years I was the daily editor of the H-ETHNIC discussion group on ethnicity and immigration. I have done research on military history in libraries and museums around the world. I have been active in the Wikimedia education program for several years, as a member of the planning committee that set up the Wikipedia Education Foundation. I serve currently as a regional ambassador. I wrote two grants in 2014 to run workshops on Wikipedia editing for academic librarians and local history librarians. They were funded by Humanities Montana, and the Missouri Humanities Council. I have given presentations at Wikimania 2012, and at several history conferences in the US and Canada on Wikipedia. My Wikimania talk on July 13, 2012 explains how wiki editors refought the war of 1812 --it is online at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdC__-JUNY <br /> I revised the talk to also explore how Wikipedia operates like a frontier society. It is now (Oct 5 2012) in print as "Military History on the Electronic Frontier: Wikipedia Fights the War of 1812," ''The Journal of Military History'' 76#4 (October 2012): 1165-82; a version is<br /> [http://www.americanhistoryprojects.com/downloads/JMH1812.PDF online here]</div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Permissions&diff=12117985 Steward requests/Permissions 2015-05-05T08:15:53Z

<p>9xl: /* Removal of access */</p> <hr /> <div>{{dynamite|title=Steward requests/Permissions|t=yes}}<br /> <br /> == Requests ==<br /> <br /> <div style="display:none"><br /> <br /> COPY THE FOLLOWING CODE to the bottom of the appropriate section below: <br /> <pre><br /> ==== User name@xxproject ====<br /> {{sr-request<br /> |status = <br /> |domain =<br /> |user name =<br /> |discussion= <br /> }}<br /> </pre><br /> </div><br /> === Administrator access ===<br /> {{TNT|Steward requests/Permissions/Sysop|uselang={{int:lang}}}}<br /> <br /> ==== beko@hy.wiktionary ====<br /> {{sr-request<br /> |status = done <br /> |domain =hy.wiktionary<br /> |user name = beko<br /> |discussion= [[wikt:hy:%D5%8E%D5%AB%D6%84%D5%AB%D5%A2%D5%A1%D5%BC%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%B6:%D4%B1%D5%A4%D5%B4%D5%AB%D5%B6%D5%AB%D5%BD%D5%BF%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%BF%D5%B8%D6%80_%D5%A4%D5%A1%D5%BC%D5%B6%D5%A1%D5%AC%D5%B8%D6%82_%D5%A4%D5%AB%D5%B4%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B4%D5%B6%D5%A5%D6%80#.D4.B1.D5.A4.D5.B4.D5.AB.D5.B6.D5.AB.D5.BD.D5.BF.D6.80.D5.A1.D5.BF.D5.B8.D6.80.D5.AB_.D5.AB.D6.80.D5.A1.D5.BE.D5.B8.D6.82.D5.B6.D6.84.D5.B6.D5.A5.D6.80_.D5.BD.D5.BF.D5.A1.D5.B6.D5.A1.D5.AC.D5.B8.D6.82_.D5.A4.D5.AB.D5.B4.D5.B8.D6.82.D5.B4.D5.B6.D5.A5.D6.80_.28Requests_for_adminship.29|Discussion in hy.wiktionary]] <br /> }}<br /> Please prolong my sysop rights. [[User:Beko|Beko]] ([[User talk:Beko|talk]]) 05:49, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{TempSysop|12|2016|05|05||}} -- [[User:Taketa|Taketa]] ([[User talk:Taketa|talk]]) 06:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==== Dinan!@pt.wikiquote.org ====<br /> {{sr-request<br /> |status = not done <br /> |domain = https://pt.wikiquote.org/<br /> |user name =Dinan!<br /> |discussion= https://pt.wikiquote.org/wiki/Utilizador_Discuss%C3%A3o:Dinan_17<br /> }}<br /> (Eu gostaria do meu apelido como uma forma de ser reconheçido no projeto e mais facil em pesquisa e também será o último pedido de renomeação estou decidido)[[User:Dinan 17|Dinan 17]] ([[User talk:Dinan 17|talk]]) 07:03, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :{{not done}}. This page is for requesting different type of rights and not for renames of accounts. Use [[Steward requests/Username changes]] if you would like to rename your account. -- [[User:Tegel|Tegel]] <sub>([[User Talk:Tegel|Talk]])</sub> 07:07, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==== Quenhitran@vi.wikiquote ====<br /> {{sr-request<br /> |status = onhold<br /> |domain = vi.wikiquote<br /> |user name = Quenhitran<br /> |discussion= [[q:vi:Wikiquote:Bảo quản viên#Yêu cầu quyền bảo quản viên]]<br /> }}<br /> Quenhitran wants to prolong his adminship (the status will expire on 2015-05-07). Thanks. [[User:Tranminh360|Tranminh360]] ([[User talk:Tranminh360|talk]]) 06:05, 4 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> :{{onhold}} till 7 May 2015. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]] ([[User talk:Ruslik0|talk]]) 05:13, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> === Bureaucrat access ===<br /> {{TNT|Steward requests/Permissions/Bureaucrat|uselang={{int:lang}}}}<br /> <br /> === CheckUser access ===<br /> {{TNT|Steward requests/Permissions/CheckUser|uselang={{int:lang}}}}<br /> ==== IRTC1015@kowikipedia ====<br /> {{sr-request<br /> |status = <br /> |domain = ko.wikipedia<br /> |user name = IRTC1015<br /> |discussion= [[:ko:위키백과:검사관 선거/IRTC1015|검사관 선거]](Request for CheckUser access)<br /> }}<br /> IRTC1015 was voted and approved for CheckUser access on Korean Wikipedia. Please give this user the CheckUser tool at kowiki. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Sotiale|Sotiale]] ([[User talk:Sotiale|talk]]) 16:46, 2 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : {{on hold}} pending '''[[Steward_handbook/email_templates#Notification_that_identification_is_required|identification to WMF]]''' -- [[User:MarcoAurelio|MarcoAurelio]] 17:01, 2 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> === Oversight access ===<br /> {{TNT|Steward requests/Permissions/Oversight|uselang={{int:lang}}}}<br /> <br /> <br /> === Removal of access ===<br /> {{TNT|Steward requests/Permissions/Removal|uselang={{int:lang}}}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ==== Astroviolin@zh-min-nan.wikisource ====<br /> {{sr-request<br /> |status = on hold <br /> |domain =zh-min-nan.wikisource<br /> |user name =Astroviolin<br /> |discussion= [[s:zh-min-nan:Wikisource:Hêng-chèng_jîn-gôan#Remove Astroviolin from bureaucrat]]<br /> }}<br /> Please remove inactive bureaucrat flag but keep the administrator flag. [[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] ([[User talk:Jusjih|talk]]) 01:16, 29 April 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : {{on hold}}. Per ml discussion, it may be wise to wait a bit more. Please also notify the user about the vote and the community. I don't see any of those. Thanks. -- [[User:MarcoAurelio|MarcoAurelio]] 14:23, 30 April 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Left one more reminder to the user talk page. Where else to tell the community?--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] ([[User talk:Jusjih|talk]]) 02:37, 2 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==== Harold@cs.wikipedia ====<br /> {{sr-request<br /> |status = done<br /> |domain = cs.wikipedia<br /> |user name = Harold<br /> |discussion= resignation<br /> }}<br /> I've decided to resign, please remove my sysop rights at cs.wikipedia. Thank you. [[User:Harold|Harold]] ([[User talk:Harold|talk]]) 16:02, 3 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> :{{On hold}} for 1 day per standard practice. --[[User:Stryn|Stryn]] ([[User talk:Stryn|talk]]) 16:03, 3 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> :{{Done}}. [[User:Stryn|Stryn]] ([[User talk:Stryn|talk]]) 09:51, 4 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==== 9xl@de.wikisource ====<br /> {{sr-request<br /> |status = <br /> |domain = de.wikisource<br /> |user name = 9xl<br /> |discussion= selfrequest<br /> }}<br /> Please remove my sysop status [[User:9xl|9xl]] ([[User talk:9xl|talk]]) 08:15, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> === Miscellaneous requests ===<br /> {{TNT|Steward requests/Permissions/Miscellaneous|uselang={{int:lang}}}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> {{dynamite|title=Steward requests/Permissions/Footer|t=yes}}</div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:9xl&diff=11806935 User talk:9xl 2015-04-16T06:50:25Z

<p>9xl: </p> <hr /> <div>== Wikimedia Travel Guide: Naming poll open ==<br /> Hi there,<br /> <br /> You are receiving this message because you voiced your opinion at the [[Requests for comment/Travel Guide|Request for Comment]] on the Wikimedia Travel Guide. <br /> <br /> The proposed naming poll opened a few days ago and you can vote for as many of the proposed names as you wish, if you are eligible. Please see [[Travel Guide/Naming Process]] for full details on voting eligibility and how the final name will be selected. Voting will last for 14 days, and will terminate on 16 October at 06:59:59 UTC.<br /> <br /> Thanks, [[User:Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''The'''</font>]][[User talk:Thehelpfulone|<font color="black">'''helpful'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''one'''</font>]] 21:46, 6 October 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Translating global pages ==<br /> <br /> Hello 9xl. You [[Special:Diff/11442040|tried to translate your global user page]], but unfortunately that's not possible. Your global user page is always rendered on Meta (whose <code><nowiki>{{CONTENTLANGUAGE}}</nowiki></code> is always <code>en</code>) before it's shown on other wikis, so your page will always be English regardless of the local wiki language. For more information, see [[mw:Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage]]. —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 15:40, 03 March 2015 (UTC)</small></div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:9xl&diff=11475322 User:9xl 2015-03-06T08:29:18Z

<p>9xl: </p> <hr /> <div>{{#babel:de|en-2|es-1}}<br /> My [[s:de:User:9xl|home project]] is German Wikisource.<br /> <br /> If you need to contact me use my [[s:de:User talk:9xl|talk page]] there.</div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Forum&diff=11445248 Wikimedia Forum 2015-03-03T15:00:11Z

<p>9xl: /* Discussion */</p> <hr /> <div>__NEWSECTIONLINK__{{process header<br /> | title = Wikimedia Forums<br /> | previous = [[WM:I/D|&larr;&nbsp;Discussion pages]]<br /> | next = [[/Archives|Archives&nbsp;&rarr;]]<br /> | shortcut = [[WM:FORUM]]<br /> | notes = [[File:Arabic Coffee.jpg|100px|left]]<br /> {{ {{TNTN|Wikimedia Forum header| uselang = {{uselang}} }} }}<br /> }}{{User:MiszaBot/config<br /> |minthreadsleft = 2<br /> |archive = Wikimedia Forum/Archives/%(year)d-%(month)02d<br /> |algo = old(15d)<br /> |minthreadstoarchive = 1<br /> }}<br /> {{ {{TNTN|Meta| uselang = {{uselang}} }} }}<br /> <br /> == Sockfarm user of 200 plus sock accounts going up for admin ==<br /> <br /> #Brief chronology at [[q:User:Cirt/Kalki Restrictions]].<br /> #Requesting adminship at [[q:Wikiquote:Requests for adminship/Kalki (4th request)]].<br /> Is it appropriate to allow someone to become an admin that has a sockfarm of over 200 plus sock accounts, and has repeatedly refused to stop socking and refused to help Admins and Checkusers identify his socks? -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 06:15, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :You have already asked this question before... Perhaps the Wikimedia Forum is more appropriate than the talk page you used last time, but repeating the question/argument is unlikely to produce new findings. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 07:51, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Thank you for agreeing this page is more appropriate. If you know of another more appropriate place for this discussion, I'd be happy to discuss it there. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 17:06, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Yes, it is appropriate that the user who has contributed the most to Wikiquote (11+ years, 100,000+ edits) be made an admin there. Please stop [[w:Wikipedia:Canvassing|canvassing]]. ~ [[User:DanielTom|DanielTom]] ([[User talk:DanielTom|talk]]) 19:48, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Nope, not canvassing, posting to central noticeboards. Thanks. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 22:58, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::This is not a central noticeboard, the issues are not central, they are Wikiquote business. It is completely up to a local project what standards to apply for adminship, unless an overarching issue arises, which has not been raised above. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 00:41, 25 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::I would agree that the issue of adminship is a decision for the wiki in question. That said, 200 alternate accounts is a PITA and unnecessary in the wiki world, and is pertinent to the broader community. The conditions set by the local community does seem the means to manage it and I don't see the need for the reiteration and rehashing of a previously resolved issue. Best discussed on your community how you wish to manage it. &nbsp;— [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 03:57, 25 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::I have seen no evidence that the user has socked in the last 4 years. Cirt has been dredging up very old stuff. Looking at past RfAs, I see signs that he has effectively canvassed votes and comments from meta by posting things here. This is not good, but this is primarily for Wikiquote to address. Thanks, Billinghurst. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 04:20, 25 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Kalki to date refused to identify all of his socks. As FloNight put it: ''[https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiquote:Requests_for_adminship/Kalki&diff=prev&oldid=1277775 "... as a neutral person who closely evaluated Kalki's use of multiple user names on this project and others. The use of this many accounts was disruptive and had to be evaluated by checkusers and other people experienced with evaluation socking. And I stand by my assertion that the accounts were used in a deceptive manner."]'' So, in FloNight's words, not mine, this activity was disruptive across multiple projects. And Kalki hasn't even yet to this point in time cooperated in identifying all of his socks. That is a problem. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 04:32, 25 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> *'''Comment''' Cirt, I'm gonna have to concur with you all the way. Kalki, whilst indicating himself to be a good faith user, has definitely not proven his innocence to all those involved within the wikiquote society. I believe we're experiencing a crisis so far as trust is concerned, and as far as I am concerned, a sockpuppet "expert" such as Kalki should never regain the admin tools he once had. That's, that's just it. Hope my argument made sense, or at least whatever sense I was able to make out of this. [[Special:Contributions/2601:3:3A00:270:9116:FC91:E69A:2831|2601:3:3A00:270:9116:FC91:E69A:2831]] 08:19, 25 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> * Just out of curiosity, were his sockpuppets [[w:Avatar#In_the_Bhagavata_Purana|appropriately named]]? :) [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 00:49, 10 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *: [[en:q:Category:Wikiquote sockpuppets of Kalki|Not really]]. ~ [[User:Ningauble|Ningauble]] ([[User talk:Ningauble|talk]]) 22:46, 14 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *::At least he had [[q:User:Vishnu]]. [[User:PiRSquared17|PiRSquared17]] ([[User talk:PiRSquared17|talk]]) 22:49, 14 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *:::[[en:q:User:Dattatreya]] would be another, but others like NEO are probably out of canon, even if he is the One. :) [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 19:27, 25 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Knowledge assembly Platfrom Proposal ==<br /> <br /> The knowledge assembly is a web tool which provides a infrastructure to assemble and provide knowledge, mainly focusing on knowledge which may be directly used in tasks. It combines concepts from Wikipedia (data created by users and provided to users for free, donation mechanism) with incentive mechanism of the open sources software community and other innovations of Internet based applications (simple voting functions - the like button - and ranking mechanisms).<br /> <br /> I would welcome comments to the [[Knowledge assembly Platfrom|proposal]]. {{unsigned|Sguenter}}<br /> <br /> == Global user pages & bulk deletion of local user pages ==<br /> <br /> ===Bulk deletions by Synchbot===<br /> [[mw:Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage|Global user pages]] will let you edit your global user page from Meta, which will be shown on all wikis where you don't already have a local user page. With the extension finally set to launch on Wikimedia wikis on February 18<sup>th</sup>, many users are left with hundreds of local user pages which will hide their global page (you can [[toollabs:meta/userpages|check yours using the userpages tool]]). [[Synchbot]] is a bot which can delete your user pages on all Wikimedia wikis (subject to any exceptions or criteria you want), but the current practice is to reject such requests because crosswiki sentiment is unclear.<br /> <br /> Should [[Synchbot]] delete local user pages on all wikis at their owner's request? Are there any cases where a user page should ''not'' be deleted (e.g., user is blocked on that wiki)? There will be many such requests when global user pages go live, so I'd like to settle the question before [[synchbot]] starts handling them. —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 01:37, 13 February 2015 (UTC)</small><br /> <br /> * Finally! Thank you for letting us know. I think the bot should delete local userpages but this might not be viewed positively on all wikis. I agree that a blocked page should be left alone because they often have a message about the block e.g. sock puppetry. <small>[...]</small> Cheers. '''<span style="text-shadow:#C0C0C0 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em">[[User:Green Giant|<span style="color:#0F0;">Green Giant</span>]] ([[User talk:Green Giant|<span style="color:#00F;">talk</span>]])</span>''' 01:51, 13 February 2015 (UTC) [<small>[[Special:Diff/11264557/next|Part of this comment was split]] into a separate section.</small>]<br /> <br /> * This is definitely great news. I don't think it should be a big deal to have these pages deleted, upon user requests. --[[User:Diego Grez|Diego Grez]] <sup>[[User talk:Diego Grez|return fire]]</sup> 03:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> * +1, I appreciate synchbot deletions and I believe there is consensus for them. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 06:54, 14 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *How will closed wikis be handled? --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 06:55, 14 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *: User pages would likely be deleted on closed wikis too, since they participate in global user pages. They can be excluded on request, though. —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 07:00, 14 February 2015 (UTC)</small><br /> <br /> *Yay! [[User:PiRSquared17|PiRSquared17]] ([[User talk:PiRSquared17|talk]]) 07:41, 14 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *'''Delete on request by non-blocked owners''' - a user may want these local pages to override the global ones (and may miss the warning that the pages will be deleted); and in cases of blocked users, there is frequently an administritave reason to keep them. However, barring these cases, I see no reason to not delete them. Note that many wikis (including English Wikipedia) have policies of deleting user pages on request of owner (in English Wikipedia, we call it [[:en:WP:CSD#U1|CSD U1]]). Note that user talk pages are a different story, since they may have important discussions. [[en:User:Od Mishehu|עוד&nbsp;מישהו]] [[en:User talk:Od Mishehu|Od&nbsp;Mishehu]] 06:41, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Global user pages are now live, and letting users self-request deletion of their local pages (within some basic constraints) seems to be uncontroversial. I'll begin accepting requests to do so. :) —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 01:12, 19 February 2015 (UTC)</small><br /> <br /> ===Questions about global user pages===<br /> [<small>Topic split from previous section.</small>]<br /> <br /> * <small>[...]</small> Is there a possibility of letting a user select which wiki to use as their central page e.g. their home wiki or perhaps a wiki where they spend a lot of time? Cheers. '''<span style="text-shadow:#C0C0C0 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em">[[User:Green Giant|<span style="color:#0F0;">Green Giant</span>]] ([[User talk:Green Giant|<span style="color:#00F;">talk</span>]])</span>''' 01:51, 13 February 2015 (UTC) [<small>[[Special:Diff/11264557/next|Part of this comment was split]] from a separate section.</small>]<br /> *: No, global user pages will always use Meta as the central wiki (just like your <tt>global.css</tt> and <tt>global.js</tt> pages). —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 01:58, 13 February 2015 (UTC)</small><br /> <br /> * What happens if the user page on Meta depends on a page on Meta, for example through linking, transclusion or redirect? For example, my Meta user page redirects to my talk page. Will my user page on other projects suddenly start redirecting to my talk page on Meta, or will they all be turned into redirects to my talk page on the local project? The latter would be less confusing, I think. --[[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 23:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *: [[mw:Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage]] explains how global user pages work. There are two rules you can apply:<br /> *:* ''content'' comes from Meta (including templates, <code><nowiki>{{int:}}</nowiki></code> messages, etc);<br /> *:* ''links'' are local (so links <s>and redirects</s> will point to the local wiki, unless you use interwiki links like <code><nowiki>[[m:link]]</nowiki></code>).<br /> *: —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 03:04, 14 February 2015 (UTC)</small><br /> *:: That does not seem to be correct: redirects seem to be relative to Meta, not to the local wiki. If you go to [[:nb:User:Stefan2]] (where no local user page exists), then you see my talk page on Meta, not my talk page on Bokmål Wikipedia. Edit links are missing, though. --[[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 14:46, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *::: Thanks, I noticed the same thing. The target of the redirect is rendered instead, so you can use any Meta page as your global user page. That may be a bug. —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 15:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)</small><br /> *:::: You can also use any Meta page as your global user page by simply transcluding that page on your Meta user page. This redirect feature doesn't seem to add any functionality which isn't already available. --[[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 17:20, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> * What color will <nowiki>[[User:Example]]</nowiki> and <nowiki>[[User talk:Example]]</nowiki> be, where (a) Example is a user with pages at meta, and (b) without? If User:Example exists locally, the answer would be blue, so my question refers to someone with no local user and/or talk page. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 04:54, 14 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *: The links to the userpage would be blue if a global user page is shown on a local wiki (it only appears if there is a userpage at meta for the global user account) and if it's not shown, the links will be red. However, links to user talk would be red if it doesn't exist locally because GlobalUserPage works on user namespace only, not the user talk. --[[User:Glaisher|Glaisher]] ([[User talk:Glaisher|talk]]) 05:18, 14 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> * How will requests for having templates transcluded on individual user pages on various wikis being imported to meta be handled? - <code class="nowrap">&#123;&#123;U&#124;[[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]]&#125;&#125; <sup>([[Special:EmailUser/Technical 13|e]] • [[User talk:Technical 13|t]] • [[Special:Contribs/Technical 13|c]])</sup></code> 15:55, 14 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *: Would it be possible to get Syncbot to import the user selected user page and transcluded templates to Meta (home wiki by default)? - <code class="nowrap">&#123;&#123;U&#124;[[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]]&#125;&#125; <sup>([[Special:EmailUser/Technical 13|e]] • [[User talk:Technical 13|t]] • [[Special:Contribs/Technical 13|c]])</sup></code> 16:07, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *:: That's outside Synchbot's scope, but [[Help:Import|the Special:Import tool]] can import a page along with the templates it uses. That said, indiscriminately importing local templates into Meta would be problematic; at the very least you'd soon run into template name conflicts. I think that's a separate discussion for the Meta community. —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 16:18, 15 February 2015 (UTC)</small><br /> <br /> * Does this apply to '''User talk''' pages and/or subpages of either type of page? (The above linked "userpages tool" lists all of these.) ~ [[User:Ningauble|Ningauble]] ([[User talk:Ningauble|talk]]) 22:26, 14 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *: No, this only applies to your main user page. —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 23:16, 14 February 2015 (UTC)</small><br /> *:: Thank you. ~ [[User:Ningauble|Ningauble]] ([[User talk:Ningauble|talk]]) 23:30, 14 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> * I'll believe that this works at all when I've seen it. Potential traps I'm aware of: Templates available here might be not available on other wikis, or do something more or less different. Wikidata somehow managed a useful interpretation of babel languages (only the display sucks, it sucks everywhere, only here it is decent.) There can be CSS conflicts, what's plainlinks here can be plainlinksneverexpand elsewhere, user box widths vary; I had to adjust a simple substituted user box for each wiki where I used it. &ndash;[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|talk]]) 21:04, 16 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *: The user page is rendered on Meta before being shown on the local wiki, so local templates aren't used. Local styles may change how the page looks, as mentioned in the extension caveats. See [[mw:Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage]] for more information. —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 21:15, 16 February 2015 (UTC)</small><br /> *::Not too bad, some of my links work as expected, some are hilarious (nl or ru users won't be interested in my subpages, logs, and abuses here, they'd want to check my crimes on their wiki ;-), pending protected edit requests on meta are also not globally relevant&mdash;is there some <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> hack to hide local business?&mdash;and the bottom link of the babel box needs love from a translation administrator (red link on nlwiki). &ndash;[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|talk]]) 09:38, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *:::You can use <nowiki><noinclude>...</noinclude></nowiki> as in a template. --[[User:Vriullop|Vriullop]] ([[User talk:Vriullop|talk]]) 11:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *::::Thanks, I've added my observations wrt [[mw:Help:Page_status_indicators|page status indicators]] on the [[mw:Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage|help page]]. &ndash;[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|talk]]) 00:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> * We should really incorporate these answers into [[Global user pages]]. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 20:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *: I've been incorporating them into [[mw:Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage]]; should [[global user pages]] provide an overview and link to that page? —<small>[[User talk:Pathoschild/s|Pathoschild]] 21:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)</small><br /> *:: I think there ought to be a notice, somewhere that is easily noticed, that if one creates a user page on this wiki it will automagically be displayed elsewhere, because this may not be intended by the page creator. It was certainly not ''my'' intention in creating one (subsequently deleted). I am not sure what the best place for such notice would be, because Meta does not seem to have a policy or guideline (or at least I have not found one) specifically devoted to the use of user pages. ~ [[User:Ningauble|Ningauble]] ([[User talk:Ningauble|talk]]) 16:07, 18 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *:::It would be easy for us to set up an edit notice here at Meta ([[MediaWiki:Editnotice-2]]). Even better, if we do it directly in the extension itself. --[[User:Glaisher|Glaisher]] ([[User talk:Glaisher|talk]]) 16:11, 18 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *::::I filed [[phab:T89841]] about this. --[[User:Glaisher|Glaisher]] ([[User talk:Glaisher|talk]]) 16:15, 18 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> *::::: Thanks: an in-built edit notice is a good solution for new user pages going forward. Existing user pages are another matter. ~ [[User:Ningauble|Ningauble]] ([[User talk:Ningauble|talk]]) 14:01, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Proposal: restore normal editing permissions on all mobile sites ==<br /> <br /> ===Proposal===<br /> As you may know, Wikimedia projects have a mobile version which resides in domains like https://meta.m.wikimedia.org . Some devices are automatically redirected from the normal domains to the mobile ones, which are expected to absorb half of our total traffic by the end of 2015. What few know is that the mobile sites don't follow the standard permission system: instead, they override permissions and prevent [[unregistered user]]s from editing at all.<br /> <br /> I propose to remove this exception to the rule, which was meant to be temporary and looks now technically unnecessary. Unregistered users will be allowed to edit on the mobile subdomain for a wiki, if they are allowed on the main domain.<br /> <br /> The Italian Wikipedia community has already decided to do so in October 2014. Thanks to several users who reported issues, as well as some committed developers, most technical issues have been identified and fixed: see [[phabricator:T55069]] for a list. Other users have looked into the data and concluded that the change was definitely a net benefit, because contributions increased by some percentage point and they were as good as unregistered editing on the desktop site; the Italian Wikipedia community therefore achieved consensus to make the change permanent. See [[it.m.wikipedia.org]] for details; if you have any questions, I'll forward them to the users who were involved in this analysis.<br /> <br /> While the Italian Wikipedia example may not be representative of the results on all Wikimedia projects, we are currently not aware of any reason to think that restoring normal permissions would do harm. If you know an issue of the mobile site which makes unregistered editing less productive than on the desktop site, please [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?parent=55069 report it with all details you know] (you can login with your SUL account) and mention it here.<br /> <br /> <small><br /> Process details:<br /> * This proposal follows the standard [[Requesting wiki configuration changes|configuration change process]]; like many before, it's discussed on the Wikimedia Forum for the sake of all [[Wikimedia projects]]. Local communities were not given a chance to discuss the non-standard permissions of the mobile sites; they will now. Local [[Requesting wiki configuration changes|requests for configuration changes]] will always be possible, as usual.<br /> * I'm going to link this discussion from [[Tech/News]]. If there is some support for the idea, I'll send notifications to all wikis and to the [[Mailing_lists/Overview|various mailing lists]]. I propose to close this discussion by 2015-03-15 and, if some configuration change achieves consensus by then, have it applied on the live sites by the end of March.<br /> </small><br /> <br /> 10:14, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> === Discussion ===<br /> <br /> * {{support}} as proposer. We can tweak the above text if needed, to reflect consensus in the discussion. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 10:14, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * I agree. [[User:Vogone|Vogone]] ([[User talk:Vogone|talk]]) 11:08, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::How you can? You are not an author! You are not one of those, who have to fix all the rubbish! [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] ([[User talk:Marcus Cyron|talk]]) 23:23, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * '''Yup''', btw why not use RfC/Request for comment for this?--<font style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #FF0000; color: #ffffff;">[[User:Aldnonymous|AldNonymous]]</font><sup>[[User_talk:Aldnonymous|Bicara?]]</sup> 11:12, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::what if I create [[Requests_for_comment/Restore_normal_editing_permissions_on_all_mobile_sites]] with a redirect here? Is it "correct" enough?--[[User:Alexmar983|Alexmar983]] ([[User talk:Alexmar983|talk]]) 09:44, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Seems good enough, don't forget to move all comment from this section to there.--<font style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #FF0000; color: #ffffff;">[[User:Aldnonymous|AldNonymous]]</font><sup>[[User_talk:Aldnonymous|Bicara?]]</sup> 09:49, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Please don't. As I said, global configuration changes discussions usually happen here. This page is followed more. You can however add a link from [[Requests_for_comment]], of course. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 10:19, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::the comments on that page were in the form "\topic" [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment&action=edit&section=9 see], so I though there was no problem in creating a page with such syntax, but consisting only ina simple redirect here.--[[User:Alexmar983|Alexmar983]] ([[User talk:Alexmar983|talk]]) 10:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * Ok. <span style="font-family: Segoe Script; font-size:12px;">[[User:Alan|Alan]] <sup>([[User talk:Alan|talk]])</sup></span> 15:39, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} per [[w:WP:HUMAN]]. Also per [[Privacy_policy#your-account-info|privacy policy]]; blocking all unregistered mobile edits is hardly a "[[Privacy_policy/FAQ#needaccount|rare circumstance]]". [[User:PiRSquared17|PiRSquared17]] ([[User talk:PiRSquared17|talk]]) 17:16, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * I think we should wait for [[phabricator:T54165|talk page links]] first. --<span style="color: orange; font-weight: bold;">Krenair</span> <sup>([[User talk:Krenair|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Krenair|contribs]])</sup> 17:41, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} with the caveat that we can always disable it again on specific wikis where vandalism becomes unmanageable. [[User:Wctaiwan|wctaiwan]] ([[User talk:Wctaiwan|talk]]) 21:42, 15 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} with per-project opt-out option/caveat as suggested by [[User:Wctaiwan|wctaiwan]], but I would like to see [[phabricator:T54165|talk page links]] first as recommended by [[user:Krenair|Krenair]], but it isnt ''quite'' a blocker in my mind, as mobile users are going to tend towards quick-edit-and-forget rather than engaged editing. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|talk]]) 07:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{comment}}, mobile uploads on commons were an unmitigated disaster, thousands of low quality selfies etc. without any potential use, description, license, category, source, '''nothing'''. From that point of view "permit more mobile contributions" isn't an attractive plan. OTOH those crap uploads all had (single purpose) accounts, commons doesn't permit uploads without login. And determined vandals or spammers have accounts, so that's no valid reason to exclude mobile users without account. Remotely related, [[mw:phabricator|phabricator]] requires a login for editing. &ndash;[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|talk]]) 21:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ** Sure, but that's entirely unrelated. The mobile uploads were using a specially-made upload software, separate from the standard Special:Upload and UploadWizard, with "calls to action" banners which encouraged random people to add random images in random places. The failure you mention was a failure of such banners (mainly) and of the custom software invented out of the blue. Here we are talking of the editing interface registered users use as well, and we are not talking of any call to action, so the two sources of the failure are eliminated: which explains the good results on it.wiki. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 08:24, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::in any case, it should be possibile, even if policy globally changes in a less rigid manner, to allow restriction for single project. I have always supported the idea that every community should modulate its own strategy if necessary. --[[User:Alexmar983|Alexmar983]] ([[User talk:Alexmar983|talk]]) 09:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Sure, it would be still possible to change the configuration per-wiki :) --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 10:56, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::{{s}}, tnx for info (above+below). &ndash;[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|talk]]) 22:44, 18 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} I have seen no "disaster" on it.wiki, but of course local exceptions are always possible. We are a "medium" wiki in terms of editors, activity and density of users with "flags", maybe for smaller communities specific restrictions are likely, I therefore suggest maximum fexibilty, but in general per PiRSquared17 I think that by "default" no "discrimination" should exists.--[[User:Alexmar983|Alexmar983]] ([[User talk:Alexmar983|talk]]) 09:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} we experimented it coherently with the perennial principle ("anyone can edit"), and the results were even slightly better than expected. Evaluating those anonymous edits we found more or less the same proportions we can see in other series of edits, perhaps a little more useful than the non-mobile editing. So, in our stats and observations there wasn't a "special" problem about vandalism, basically vandals come to WP in the usual proportions, there isn't a sensitive change.<br />What is truly different, and to my personal experience is constantly growing in importance, is that many mobile users do not trust enough service providers and software/apps they have on board in their device, so they do not feel safe enough to log in with their credentials for security and privacy reasons. Actually, since mobile traffic is everyday more important for us, I believe that this is going to be a relevant issue and that we should care about it. --[[User:Gianfranco|g]] ([[User talk:Gianfranco|talk]]) 11:14, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * I support any effort that attacks the awful anti-wiki behavior introduced under the guise of a mobile front-end. The MobileFrontend extension should be killed or, at a minimum, scaled back to be only a mobile front-end. It should never have been used to control site permissions. And this is unfortunately one example among many of the extension acting far outside of scope. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 20:41, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} – on Wikimedia, the rule is "allow editing," with exceptions made as necessary. I do not see a justification for an exception here. [[User:Harej|harej]] ([[User talk:Harej|talk]]) 22:57, 18 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} [[User:Gerardduenas|Gerardduenas]] ([[User talk:Gerardduenas|talk]]) 15:57, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} obviously, [[User:VIGNERON|V<span style="font-size:75%">IGNERON</span>]] * [[User talk:VIGNERON|<sup>discut.</sup>]] 16:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} Yes. [[User:Legoktm|Legoktm]] ([[User talk:Legoktm|talk]]) 16:57, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * '''Support''' It's completely incomprehensible to me that such a configuration was actually allowed to be made in the first place. The Foundation (rightly) opposes attempts to take away anonymous users' ability to create new articles; this situation should not be different. --<small>[[User:MF-Warburg|MF-W]]</small> 18:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ** This statement is obviously incorrect and has nothing to do with reality and history. [[user:odder|odder]] ([[user talk:odder|talk]]) 17:19, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ***Wait, what? Am I missing something here? MF-W was referring to this [[Limits to configuration changes]], back then there are wikis trying to take away anonymous/IP/non registered user ability to create and edit articles (example Indonesian Wikipedia, which is where I am an Admin), hence MF-W statement is correct.--<font style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #FF0000; color: #ffffff;">[[User:Aldnonymous|AldNonymous]]</font><sup>[[User_talk:Aldnonymous|Bicara?]]</sup> 17:57, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ****You all are correct. [[Limits to configuration changes]] was my creation (under this title and form). WMF enacted those decisions (which belong to the global community). --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 18:01, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} "Anyone can edit." Yes. - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|talk]]) 20:04, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} (see also: [[phab:T54442]]) [[User:ערן|eranroz]] ([[User talk:ערן|talk]]) 20:54, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} '''<span style="text-shadow:#C0C0C0 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em">[[User:Green Giant|<span style="color:#0F0;">Green Giant</span>]] ([[User talk:Green Giant|<span style="color:#00F;">talk</span>]])</span>''' 21:53, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} Why was it ever done any other way? - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 23:36, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ** Please see [[mediawikiwiki:Mobile_wikitext_editing#Anonymous_editing]] --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 06:34, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}}, according to common sense and to empirical data. Is it a rare case of ACTUAL consensus? :) --[[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:10, 21 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} It's one of our [[founding principles]] that we should allow anyone to edit without registration. [[User:朝彦|朝彦 (Asahiko)]] ([[User talk:朝彦|talk]]) 16:35, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} Yes. [[User:Thibaut120094|Thibaut120094]] ([[User talk:Thibaut120094|talk]]) 16:36, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} Why not. Soon all devices will be 'mobile'. Imagine if 10 years ago we were suggesting we not let laptop users edit because they're 'mobile'. Silly. [[Special:Contributions/170.29.64.11|170.29.64.11]] 16:48, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} '''without any option to opt-out'''. We have been experimenting with ''temporary'' restrictions that directly contradict our founding principles for too many years. There is no reason why any wiki should want to opt-out of allowing mobile users to edit. [[user:odder|odder]] ([[user talk:odder|talk]]) 17:18, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}}, a must-have feature. --[[User:Stryn|Stryn]] ([[User talk:Stryn|talk]]) 17:21, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} - absolutely necessary. Unless there are extreme and unanticipated problems with this, I would expect mobile permissions to ''always'' mirror non-mobile permissions for wikis (Commons being an obvious exception). To be clear, this is an exceptionally are case where there should be '''no local opt-out'''. &ndash;&nbsp;''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]]</sup> 04:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} --[[User:Austral blizzard|Austral blizzard]] ([[User talk:Austral blizzard|talk]]) 10:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} Anyone should be able to contribute to the project. --[[User:Soujak|Soujak]] ([[User talk:Soujak|talk]]) 15:01, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} [[User:Jim Carter|Jim Carter]] ([[User talk:Jim Carter|talk]]) 09:17, 25 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{oppose}} Nemo has provided absolutely no data about the supposed benefits or at least "no disaster". Last info at [[Research talk:Anonymous mobile editing in Italian Wikipedia/Work log/2014-12-31]]: "''So, next step is to do a quality analysis of the edits that anons mobile users made before and after the deployment. I'd like to use content persistence strategies to see whether the content that anons add survives scrutiny or not. In order to do that, I'll need to gather a random sample of mobile web edits before and after the stitch was flipped.''" So there is no quality analysis of the edits by anons mobile users. And yet here you are, trying to impose global configuration changes on local projects by discussion in a disused lavatory in the cellar of the planning office. Beware of the leopard. --[[User:Atlasowa|Atlasowa]] ([[User talk:Atlasowa|talk]]) 20:24, 25 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; padding:8px; margin:12px"<br /> |+ sample: [https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:UltimeModifiche&hideliu=1&tagfilter=mobile+edit selective RC] - 250 edits between 23 DIC 14:45 and 24 DIC 00:10<br /> |-<br /> |''edit kind''<br /> |''total''<br /> |''% ''<br /> |''% good'' <br /> |''% bad'' <br /> |''% innocuous''<br /> |-<br /> |Good <br /> |57 <br /> |41,61% <br /> |41,61% <br /> | <br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |not good but in good faith <br /> |15<br /> |10,95%<br /> |10,95%<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |good, no sources<br /> |12<br /> |8,76%<br /> |8,76%<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |vandalism<br /> |12<br /> |8,76%<br /> |<br /> |8,76%<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |kidding, pov, hagiography<br /> |10<br /> |7,30%<br /> |<br /> |7,30%<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |test, innocuous, autoreverted<br /> |9<br /> |6,57%<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |6,57%<br /> |-<br /> |can't be evaluated<br /> |7<br /> |5,11%<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |5,11%<br /> |-<br /> |good but to be improved<br /> |5<br /> |3,65%<br /> |3,65%<br /> |<br /> | <br /> |-<br /> |birth/death dates<br /> |4<br /> |2,92%<br /> |<br /> |2,92% <br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |spam<br /> |2<br /> |1,46%<br /> |<br /> |1,46% <br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |source added<br /> |2<br /> |1,46%<br /> |1,46% <br /> |<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |rant<br /> |2<br /> |1,46%<br /> |<br /> |1,46%<br /> |<br /> |-<br /> |'''total'''<br /> |137<br /> |100%<br /> |<span style="color:green">'''66,42%'''</span><br /> |<span style="color:maroon">'''21,90%'''</span><br /> |<span style="color:grey">'''11,68%'''</span><br /> |}<br /> :*Many users made their own analysis of mobile IPs edits, mine was [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Permesso_di_editing_agli_IP_nel_sito_mobile_-_fine_della_sperimentazione#stats here], but I copypaste the table here (roughly translated, feel free to ping me for better details). There are of course series of edits for each IP which count as 1 in this scheme (this is why the total edits is not 250), and for 3 or 4 IPs I'd say they were the same users reconnected with a different number (the interval covers 9 hours appr.). Please allow a 3% tolerance for eventual errors in identifying the series, and a 5% for eventual mistakes of mine in judging those edits: still the proportions are the same as usual, if not a little better than the average. Of course we don't have stats on "before the test", and we made no formal direct comparison with the average stats, even if we gave a quick look at them and found them in coherence. Please consider that these data are extracted from ''selective RecentChanges'': mobile IP edits are automatically tagged as such, and we found no evidence of user agent spoofing in contributions' analysis and CUs, so we could avoid further study. Last but not least, misspells and typos were not considered as conditioning the judgement, for very practical reasons related to the material touch-typing and T9 issues. Tests were repeated with smaller samples, every now and then, with very similar results. <br />Hope this answers to your kind question. Meow :-P --[[User:Gianfranco|g]] ([[User talk:Gianfranco|talk]]) 23:49, 25 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Thank you for your table, [[User:Gianfranco|Gianfranco]]! I want to make it clear that i do like and appreciate this bold project on italian WP: Getting community consensus for a temporary experiment, proposing local configuration changes and fixes, watching the results and making the experiment a permanent change for mobile anonymous contributions. But what is proposed ''here'' is something different, imposing a global configuration change for all projects. It would be great if some other local wikis would be inspired by this itWP project to try this out too (maybe finnish, hungarian, hebrew WP?) and maybe this proposal here will lead to this - that would be great (and hopefully produce even more data for analysis, reliable data for evaluation).<br /> [[File:Itwiki anon test.mobile anon edits.trend.svg|thumb|500px|The number of mobile anonymous edits per day is plotted with a weekly seasonal component modeled and the extracted trend overlayed. A vertical line is plotted on Nov. 1st. ([[Research talk:Anonymous mobile editing in Italian Wikipedia/Work log/2014-12-31]])]]<br /> :::Now to the table. This is a very narrow sample, "250 edits in 8 hours between 23 DIC 14:45 and 24 DIC 00:10". And look at the graph: mobile anonymous editing only really began 5 days before, 2014-12-17, with the fix for [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74852 phab:T74852] (it required 3 clicks to reach the editor before). Therefor I really wonder if this day gives a meaningful sample, also the afternoon before christmas is not a typical editing day. And i don't see why you count edits that are "not good but in good faith" as "good" edits, they are "not good". I looked at the further development of the quantity of mobile anonymous editing by cloning Nemos quarry query: [http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/2256 Daily anonymous mobile edits from Italian Wikipedia (2014-11-01 - 2015-02-24)]. Highest number is 566 edits at 2015-01-05, then it drops to nearly nothing after 2015-01-09 until 2015-01-25 (why? configuration changes? IP range blocks?). And 2015-02-12 it drops off again from +400 edits to ~60 edits, and stays there ([https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/186591 gerrit:186591] made the "2 clicks" process more intuitive and was deployed on 2015-02-11). I don't think we have the data here to draw any reliable conclusions from. I am still waiting for the "quality analysis" from the fabulous WMF number cruncher halfak. Once again: If italian WP is happy with this, i am happy for them and i appreciate being bold, trying things out. I am sure the engaged italian wikipedians will watch how this develops in terms of vandalism, quantity and quality. But i don't think this is enough analysis now to force mobile anonymous editing (and its patrolling) on, say, the urdu Wikipedia. I'm ''not'' opposed to allowing mobile anonymous editing ''on principle''. I am opposed to allowing mobile anonymous editing solely by ideological reasons without closely analysing vandalism impact and patrolling workload. --[[User:Atlasowa|Atlasowa]] ([[User talk:Atlasowa|talk]]) 09:49, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::"not good but in good faith" means to me that I had in front of me a good newbie who wasn't successful in his attempt to help. Of course it's not a good edit, and in fact I didn't write anything different, it isn't a good edit, but I'm there to assist that user, help him to find his way to correctness just like others did with me when I was a newbie, and it isn't bad at all for the Project that we have met a new good user: rather, it's up to us not to loose this opportunity. This is good in my evaluation because I wasn't looking at the edits, I was looking at the users, since the opposition against free anon editing has always been "'cos vandals could come". I'm here from little after the Nupedia old times, and the point has always been this one. Now, I could say that we survived tragedies like when the first vandals came here with vandal-bots and there were no tools to stop them quickly, so vandalism is an issue, but it's not our core worry. But to be "modern" (:-) I'd rather say that my table shows that nothing changes in these terms depending on the device the users use, vandals come at the same proportions as always, so I can't confirm that there would be a difference in this. It's a matter of proportions, so if with anon editing we'll get double vandalism, we'll also get double "good edits", which is what we really are looking for. And I don't know why we should necessarily conclude that anon mobile IPs shouldn't give us more patrollers too, as it always has been. <br /> ::::The sample is small, I know, but I work for a living, and I just couldn't stay more on the topic, sorry. It was the day before Christmas' Eve, to be precise, and since with Eve Italian holidays start, it was the last moment in which the test could have been really meaningful (or easy to decipher :-). <br /> ::::Ideological reasons are not the only ones: thinking of how many users will move from desktop to mobile should let us start figuring a WP very soon made by ''half'' of its users on mobile devices. This is to say half of us. And since I'm not planning to go to mobile, it must be you who is going to that realm :-) I'm just kidding, but this is seriously what we should be prepared to. So, when half of the current users will be mobile users, would you still think that there will really be anything different between desktop and mobile users? I believe that this "lifestyle" changing is better to be compared with when (in my country) telephone companies changed their fees from a pay-per-minute basis to a flat-forfait fixed fee: when freed from a time-depending cost, WP users doubled themselves and doubled their time in the projects, and vandalism too, of course, doubled. Changing the habits doesn't change the mentalities, if you are ready to be a good user you would be it whatever the medium; and viceversa. But with that historical change about fees, contents grew up in a much much higher proportion tahn expected, and it was the time of the greatest WP's success. To resume, if one bad edit gives me three good edits, this is our constant proportion, if you want 30 good edits you need 10 vandals. We still have a lot to grow, so I'd say go procure me 10 vandals, please, and I'd add: hurry up :-D --[[User:Gianfranco|g]] ([[User talk:Gianfranco|talk]]) 11:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> * {{comment}} Hello Nemo and all. Great to see more excitement towards allowing more edits. I see {{Ping| Alexmar983}} has already suggested moving the discussion to Rfc, which didn't happen. Obviously, there would be a vandalism concern with allowing global IP edits, and naturally, projects with higher mobile traffic would be affected the most. If we need to allow a more through discussion with larger WP projects, to factor in their input, and to allow them to prepare accordingly, how do we do this? Thanks --[[User:Melamrawy (WMF)|Melamrawy (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Melamrawy (WMF)|talk]]) 19:22, 26 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> **<small>saw you ping: i am a newbie on meta and I wasn't sure it was correct, than I went offline. Should I create at least that redirect in that form?</small><br /> **Thanks for the comment. Broader communication was already planned, see above; we're doing this in steps. There are two things to do: 1) communicate the current exception (which should have been done years ago); 2) involve in this discussion. I just sent a global notification doing both for ~600 wikis. On [[Special:PermanentLink/11428879|~100 administrator noticeboards]] I also notified (1), while forgetting a functioning link for (2) :|... I apologise; well, each wiki got one link or more. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 23:00, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{comment}} if someone need additional data to decide, a possible solution is to target the "medium-large" wikipedias (>500000 articles) with the highest ratio of patrollers (let's say the sum of active administrators and rollbackers) and non-autopatrolled changes and propose a second test. Or just compare them with itwiki, you would probably discover that, even after the selection of new rollbackers which I supported starting this January, we have less "patrolling efficience" than other platforms. If we had no disaster, I hardly doubt more "controlled" wikipedia project will.--[[User:Alexmar983|Alexmar983]] ([[User talk:Alexmar983|talk]]) 08:44, 28 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} As simply following what the established principles of the wiki are. This is not the time to have the debate about whether anons should edit at all or not, for that will require much wider and bigger consensus. <span style="text-shadow:0em 0em 1em #003399;">[[User:Konveyor Belt|'''<span style="color:#00008B;">Konveyor</span>''']]</span><span style="text-shadow:0em 0em 1em #FF8C00;">[[User talk:Konveyor Belt|'''<span style="color:#B7410E;">Belt</span>''']]</span> 17:36, 28 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{oppose}} - ca. 50% unusefull edits. No, too much work, mostly to be done by those people who not say "support" here. [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] ([[User talk:Marcus Cyron|talk]]) 22:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ** How much reverts do you have in your wikipedia project for unregistered users using the desktop site? :) --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 08:34, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} The risk is not in the media but in the specific IP anon user regardless of the mobile or desktop equipment used to connect. --[[User:Andyrom75|<span style="color:#BB0000; font-family:Papyrus; font-size:12px">'''Andyrom75'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Andyrom75|talk]]) 22:40, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * '''Oppose''' per Marcus Cyron. --&nbsp;<tt>[[User:MarcoAurelio|M]]\[[User talk:MarcoAurelio|A]]</tt> 22:41, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}}. It seems to me that discriminating against all mobile users is way too broad a protection. Any wiki that has trouble with vandalism can presumably block the vandals, use range blocks where needed for persistent vandals who use dynamic IPs, and use filters for specific words or phrases a vandal tends to use. Am I missing something? [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 22:45, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}}, IPs are human too and everyone should be able to edit Wikipedia. Some exceptions are always possible but its should be justified. --[[User:The Polish|The Polish]] ([[User talk:The Polish|talk]]) 22:47, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}}: There is no reason for such an exception. Logically—because of the up-to-now policy—we have no data that the anonymous mobile edits would be good, but we have also no data that the anonymous mobile edits would be bad. We should make them possible (and we shall see if there will be problems). --[[User:Mmh|Mmh]] ([[User talk:Mmh|talk]]) 23:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} It's even hard to understand why there was an exception in the first place. The whole Wikipedia editing model stems from the principle that anyone can edit: having more contributors certainly means more mistakes and vandalism, but it also means more corrections and useful contribution; that's the classic equilibrium of wisdom crowd… [[User:Alexander Doria|Alexander Doria]] ([[User talk:Alexander Doria|talk]]) 23:27, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} per Alexander Doria. [[User:Jules78120|Jules78120]] ([[User talk:Jules78120|talk]]) 23:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} per PiRSquared17. [[User:Ruy Pugliesi|<span title="Ruy Pugliesi"><font face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">Ruy Pugliesi</font></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ruy Pugliesi|<span title="Talk">&#9701;</span>]]</sup> 00:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{support}} per Pi. --[[User:AmaryllisGardener|<font color="#E0115F">'''Amaryllis'''</font><font color="#74C365">'''Gardener'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:AmaryllisGardener|'''talk''']]</sup> 01:29, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} I would even call it '''essential for anonymous users of Wikivoyage'''. If you arrive at a restaurant listed in Wikivoyage at 17:00 because the ''times'' of that listing says ''17:00-22:30'', but you discover that it should be 18:30-midnight, you must be able to correct that at once on your mobile device. Needing to register first, then logon, then correct, is too time consuming for an average anonymous user. --[[User:FredTC|FredTC]] ([[User talk:FredTC|talk]]) 01:42, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::''To those who fear more vandalism'': Anyone who tries to find the "edit" link can find the "Desktop view" link at the bottom of the page, click it and do an edit. So, there is no real protection by not allowing edits from mobile pages. --[[User:FredTC|FredTC]] ([[User talk:FredTC|talk]]) 10:51, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} I don't see a difference between user behaviour of mobile users and other users. There must be a possibility to edit from mobile without creating an account, let it be less prominent but clearly it must be there. Of course there will be a percent of vandalism, but I don't see why potentially useful edits from IP editors are rejected without reason — [[User:NickK|NickK]] ([[User talk:NickK|talk]]) 01:52, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} -- [[User:Stephan Kulla|Stephan Kulla]] ([[User talk:Stephan Kulla|talk]]) 03:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} Nowadays many new users are mobile users. We should let them edit even without registering. There is no problem even if they make mistakes. They will learn only after using it. Then they will automatically create their own account. --[[User:Satdeep Gill|Satdeep Gill]] ([[User talk:Satdeep Gill|talk]]) 02:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} Being a free encyclopedia means that it should be editable from any devices.[[User:Ionutzmovie|Ionutzmovie]] ([[User talk:Ionutzmovie|talk]]) 03:10, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * '''Possible strongest''' {{oppose}} I believe enabling IPs on mobile will increase maintenance work, and it will be our duty to clean up the mess created by anons. I already have to cleanup the mess created by others, and this will increase local admins and countervandal people's work. &mdash;&nbsp;regards, [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 04:36, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ** So you think the result will be different from it.wiki's? On it.wiki, anecdotally, I see the opposite: for instance, unregistered mobile users clean up broken visualeditor edits by desktop users and ''reduce'' maintenance work. :) --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 00:17, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *** itwiki guys and enwiki guys are not same, and enwiki guys and kowiki guys are not same. If it is done per-wiki basis, I feel fine, still big NO-NO for kowiki. &mdash;&nbsp;regards, [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 00:22, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{oppose}} per Revi. Way to much spam and vandalism is entering wikipedia if we allow this. {{unsigned|Saschaporsche|05:39, 2 March 2015}}<br /> * {{support}} as proposer. --►'''[[User:Cekli829|<font face="Tahoma" color="red">Cekli</font>]][[User talk:Cekli829|<font face="Tahoma" color="red">829</font>]]''' 06:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{oppose}} for now. As more vandalism is to be expected, [[phabricator:T54165|talk page links]] have to be fully viable before this is implemented. --[[User:Sänger S.G|♫ Sänger]] - [[User talk:Sänger S.G|Talk]] - [[Requests_for_comment/Superprotect_rights|superputsch must go]] 06:27, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::This is just meant as an "oppose" for general implementation in all the wikiverse, without prior community consultaion in the respective projects. If some community wants it this way, it should be implemented there definitely, the communities of course should have the last say on this. So for deWP: not without MB beforehand, for others whatever the consensus method may be there. --[[User:Sänger S.G|♫ Sänger]] - [[User talk:Sänger S.G|Talk]] - [[Requests_for_comment/Superprotect_rights|superputsch must go]] 08:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::: So, can we start a MB on dewiki? ;) --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 14:35, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::Es hindert Dich niemend daran, eins zu starten. Ich würde ohne direkten Diskussions- und Metaseitenzugang dagegen plädieren, eine Plattform ohne direkten Zugang dazu taugt imho nicht zum editieren, aber wenn es eine entsprechende Mehrheit gäbe, dann sei es so. --[[User:Sänger S.G|♫ Sänger]] - [[User talk:Sänger S.G|Talk]] - [[Requests_for_comment/Superprotect_rights|superputsch must go]] 14:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::: Prinzipiell nicht, allerdings halte ich persönlich ein MB in genau der anderen Form für nötig, also nicht, '''ob''' nicht-angemeldete Nutzer editieren dürfen, sondern '''das nicht angemeldete Nutzer''' nicht bearbeiten dürfen, da deWiki dann entgegen der globalen Konfiguration handeln würde/möchte (vorausgesetzt, hier wird entschieden, dass anonyme Bearbeitungen erlaubt werden würden). Grüße --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 16:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Wenn der Status Quo, also das Nichteditieren für IPs, in der deWP geändert werden sollte, bedürfe das eines MB in selbiger. Das hier sollte der deWP nicht so etwas vorschreiben können. Das Wikiversum ist schließlich keine zentralistische Veranstaltung. [[User:Sänger S.G|♫ Sänger]] - [[User talk:Sänger S.G|Talk]] - [[Requests_for_comment/Superprotect_rights|superputsch must go]] 18:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::Das die WMF-Wikis keine ''zentralistische Veranstaltung'' sind, musst du mir nicht erklären, ich bin zufällig auch ein kleines Licht in der Community. <''Wenn der Status Quo, also das Nichteditieren für IPs, in der deWP geändert werden sollte''> -> meiner Ansicht nach würde genau das eben nicht geändert werden, sondern der von der Community akzeptierte Status "jeder kann editieren" (wie übrigens auch in den [[wikipedia:de:Hilfe:Benutzer#Nicht_angemeldeter_Benutzer|Hilfeartikeln]] ausgewiesen, die auch für mobile Nutzer zugänglich sind) für alle Geräte (wieder)hergestellt werden (und damit nicht zuletzt den [[Founding_principles/de|Grundprinzipien der WMF-Wikis]] gleichzukommen). Aber das ist natürlich, wie bereits gesagt, meine persönliche Ansicht :) --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 06:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} anon editing is one central feature of Wikipedia, and as mobile units tend to gain more and more use this change would change one of the root Wikipedia philosophy. I strongly disagree to "hide" such a change behind a feature which was started simply as a helper for those users. --[[user:grin|grin]] [[user talk:grin|✎]] 06:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} That's what a wiki should be : anyone can edit from anywhere at anytime. [[User:Kropotkine 113|Kropotkine 113]] ([[User talk:Kropotkine 113|talk]]) 07:21, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * '''Strong oppose'''. No benefits expected. [[User:Hégésippe Cormier|Hégésippe]] &#124; [[User talk:Hégésippe Cormier|±Θ±]] 07:54, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} --[[Special:Contributions/85.181.149.223|85.181.149.223]] 08:45, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} The WMF lets the local communities decide whether logging in should be an option or not (and whether "flagged revisions" etc should be enabled or not). Some projects (including sv.wikipedia where I edit) have actively decided ''not'' to require logging in. Then this decision should not be overridden for unnecessary technical reasons. The same should go for the Wikipedia apps for cell phones. /[[User:NH|NH]] 10:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{s}} I cannot add nothing else to what has already been said. imo "Anyone can edit" is one of our most important principles, which we cannot disappoint. --[[User:Nastoshka|Nastoshka]] ([[User talk:Nastoshka|talk]]) 09:35, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{s}} I see absolutely no reason to discriminate against mobile unregisteres users, compared to desktop unregistered users. --[[:de:User:MB-one|MB-one]] ([[de:User talk:MB-one|talk]]) 09:44, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{support}}. As long as unregistered anons are allowed on desktop version, same must apply to mobile version. Exceptions can be made on individual project basis if significantly larger vandalism on that project from mobile unregistered users. [[User:Nahum|Nahum]] ([[User talk:Nahum|talk]]) 09:54, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * Leaning to '''oppose'''. Arguments of freedom, trust and vandalism all make sense, but editing a mobile version doesn't. Stripped-down mobile pages are barely usable for reading, and outright unusable for editing. They cannot visualise the intended final page layout with all the tables, template and stuff - so what's the point of editing blind? Why not simply prompt the user to edit from a real computer, or at least switch their tablet from mobile to plain page view? It's just one click away. [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 10:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ** ??? You can edit in mobile, like on desktop, the source code of the page. If you attempt to save the edit, you will see a preview of your edit, which is generated by mediawiki's own parser and includes all tables, templates and so on. If it doesn't fit into mobile, you probably shouldn't save this edit and better rework it, to fit mobile. I see no point, why this should prevent mobile unregistered users shouldn't be able to edit, especially because this problem applies to registered users, too. --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 10:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *** Registered too, precisely. Make mobile read only. <small>The idea of reworking for mobile could have a chance if wikipedia allowed content forks for different platforms. It doesn't. Checking for mobile compatibility is desirable, enforcing it on existing content equates with vandalism. </small> [[User:Retired electrician|Retired electrician]] ([[User talk:Retired electrician|talk]]) 11:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> **** ''Make mobile read only'' -> sorry, i don't understand why (to explain: i try to find out, what we can do better to make mobile editing possible for all users :)), so maybe you can explain, why you think, that mobile anonymous editing shouldn't be possible :) --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 14:25, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} I see no reason to keep this restriction. [[User:Mathis B|Mathis B]] ([[User talk:Mathis B|talk]]) 11:20, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} Have faith in mankind! [[User:Llywelyn2000|Llywelyn2000]] ([[User talk:Llywelyn2000|talk]]) 11:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}}--[[User:Serkanland|Serkanland]] ([[User talk:Serkanland|talk]]) 11:56, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} Well, let's. Let's see what can be created with touchscreen. It will be fun. — [[User:Green Zero|'''<font face="impact" color="green" style="font-weight:200;font-size:120%;"> Green Zero</font>''']] <span style="font-size:9px;">[[User talk:Green Zero|обг]]</span> 13:07, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{oppose}} Wikipedia is the site that anyone can edit. But we are talking about a full desktop version. Those who wants to edit Wikipedia anonimously, can switch to full version and do it. Mobile version should be only read-only.--[[User:Soul Train|Soul Train]] ([[User talk:Soul Train|talk]]) 13:10, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ** ''But we are talking about a full desktop version'' -> are we? And if so, why? Why is mobile more bad as desktop (or why is desktop better then mobile?). Maybe i misunderstood your comment, but the mobile editor isn't much different from the desktop editor. You edit the source code of the page and see a preview (by the way: mobile editor forces the preview to prevent possible styling issues or type errors), so the mobile editor does exactly the same as the desktop editor. And mobile apps can already edit without register an account (see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&hideliu=1&tagfilter=mobile+app+edit). Why no-one complains about it? Why is mobile apps different from mobile web? I would like to read some arguments, instead of just "mobile editing is bad" :) --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 14:22, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{support}} [[User:Blue Elf|Blue Elf]] ([[User talk:Blue Elf|talk]]) 13:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{support}} The type of device that someone is using is irrelevant to whether they should be allowed to edit. --[[User:Cgt|Cgt]] ([[User talk:Cgt|talk]]) 14:25, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{support}} Strongly agree. I'm honestly surprised that this is not the case already. "Anyone can edit" is critically important. [[User_talk:HiDrNick|<span style="color:#CC3300">Hi</span><span style="color:#0088FF"><b>DrNick</b></span>]]! 14:45, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{oppose}} Please not on WikiquoteNL! We have only one active sysop and a few ( Two ore three) editers. We can't handel this, I am affraid. Anonymous edits are very rear usefull, 99% is complet nonsens. (nonsens artikels, etc.) [[User:Graaf Statler|Graaf Statler]] ([[User talk:Graaf Statler|talk]]) 15:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{s}} I absolutely agree. --[[User:Uğurkent|Uğurkent]]<sup>[[User talk:Uğurkent|talk]]</sup> 15:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} What a good idea. --[[User:Turgut46|Turgut46]] ([[User talk:Turgut46|talk]]) 16:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{oppose}} I think this is great in theory. In practice, I have a number of problems with this:<br /> *#Individual communities must be allowed to opt out, as stated above.<br /> *#Talk page access must be fully implemented, as stated above. Ability to discuss possibly controversial edits on talk pages is one of the things that makes otherwise open editing access work. <br /> *#What type of device does make a difference. Typing on a device as small as a phone certainly leads to more typographical errors than typing on a computer or tablet. <br /> *#Especially because of the last two points, I would tend to favor limiting mobile editing to autoconfirmed editors. I want to make sure editing gets done by people committed enough to the project to be responsible in discussing edits and responsible in correcting technical errors.<br /> :[[User:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[User talk:StevenJ81|talk]]) 16:43, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{oppose}} No reason why not to log in when using mobile. Remember the problems with mobile uploads disabled on Commons.--[[User:Aschmidt|Aschmidt]] ([[User talk:Aschmidt|talk]]) 17:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ** Mobile uploads had a number of specific issues which can't be compared, see above comment 08:24, 17 February 2015 (UTC). --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 00:00, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{comment}} Our experiment in allowing the uploading of images from mobile devices was not successful because of the vast amount of junk uploads, and has been disabled. Many projects already suffer from almost-overwhelming spamming and junk edits from *desktop* unregistered users. I would suggest that if editing by unregistered users on mobile is enabled, it occur only as an *opt-in* following a well-documented discussion on individual projects. The ability of individual projects to manage increased problematic editing will vary significantly, dependent on availability of recent changes patrollers (or equivalent), the use of pending changes/flagged revisions, and other factors. Keep in mind that range blocks to manage serially problematic editing from mobile IP ranges may have a significant impact on *all* editing from those ranges and may actually have an overall negative effect on the number of edits being made through those ranges. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 17:39, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{oppose}} per [[User:-revi|-revi]] --[[User:Steinsplitter|Steinsplitter]] ([[User talk:Steinsplitter|talk]]) 17:56, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{support}} Should be the norm. — [[User:Arkanosis|Arkanosis]] <sup>[[User_talk:Arkanosis|✉]]</sup> 18:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{o}}: Editing on mobile without breaking the syntax or page layout is already difficult enough if you've got the time to log in. <small><b><span style="background:#43CD80; border:2px solid #43CD80; color:yellow"> [[User:FDMS4|<font color="yellow">FDMS</font>]] 4 </span></b></small> 21:34, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ** Can you clarify what is made easier by logging in? If some feature is lacking, that can be solved. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 00:00, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{Support}}. It makes no sense to require an account for mobile edits and not for desktop edits. [[User:Opraco|Opraco]] ([[User talk:Opraco|talk]]) 22:45, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{support}} 'Anyone can edit' to promote Wikipedia. --[[User:Kumincir|Kumincir]] ([[User talk:Kumincir|talk]]) 04:02, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * It depends on which site.<br /> ** For the majority of sites , I {{support}} it. There shouldn't be any problem with allowing it , applying what we do for non-mobile devices in the event of vandalism.<br /> ** For Commons , I {{neutral}} it. While it is still useful(as mobile cameras are being better , photographs of landscapes or animals can now be added faster. But there are issues are this.<br /> ** My previous benefit stated would only apply to high - top end mobile phones. I don't think adding photos from a cheap 2 MP or 3.2 MP basic phone would help.<br /> ** And , as some other users would have stated , what about selfies and the like? If they are also uploaded to Commons and shared , it may end up being something like a photo-sharing website(contrary to what I think that Commons is the database for Wikimedia in images , correct me if I'm wrong).<br /> * I also have a few questions to this.<br /> ** How would warnings be displayed to users through templates? I do not exactly know , myself using Wikibooks on Windows(laptop) , but these templates look quite small for a 12.5 cm device.<br /> ** How would you make sure that users do not edit by mistake? Again , I do not know much about the experience on a mobile.<br /> --[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 08:57, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::* We're not talking about enabling uploading from mobile devices :) It's just about editing pages, if you want to use pictures you need to upload you still need the desktop site. So enabling editing will not enable uploads :)<br /> ::: for your second question: If you want to edit pages, you still need to "tap" the edit pencil (like "edit" link on desktop) to come to the editor, so there shouldn't much space to edit by mistake :) Templates, the other way, aren't visible in mobile (for logged in and logged out users), because we use our own editor. Hope that answers your questions :) --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 09:13, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *** How , then , would you notify users about vandalism?(like we do on desktop , issue a warning template)?--[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 10:07, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Have you an example? I'm not sure, if we're talking about the same thing :) If you mean notification templates on a user's talk page after vandalism-edits were reverted: They will be visible and the user should see a notification, that there are new messages on the talk page. Is that, what you mean? --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 10:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> *{{support}} This is good! Regards, [[User:Fenerli1978|Fenerli1978]] ([[User talk:Fenerli1978|talk]]) 11:54, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> * {{o}} '''No''' for Wikisource, proofreading is a time-consuming process requiring dedication. Persons having no time to log-in better stay away. --[[User:9xl|9xl]] ([[User talk:9xl|talk]]) 15:00, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> === Questions ===<br /> How about the official Wikipedia apps for smartphones? Do they require logging in to edit pages? One editor said somewhere the apps required registration an logging in to ''read'' pages, but that was maybe a misunderstanding. I don't own a sufficiently smart mobile phone to investigate this myself :-/ /[[User:NH|NH]] 14:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> : You don't need an account to edit or read contents in Wikipedia apps, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&hideliu=1&tagfilter=mobile+app+edit --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 14:16, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br/><br /> Is there another step to protect pages for mobile edits? Because there is a need to make different protection level for mobiles.<font color="green">&#9734;&#9733;</font>[[User:संजीव कुमार|<u><font color="Magenta">Sanjeev Kumar</font></u>]] ([[User talk:संजीव कुमार|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]) 14:56, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> : Why should a page be not editable by mobile, but for desktop users? --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 15:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Because, on hiwiki, I saw that in comparison to desktop, mobile user does more vandalism. (this is relative comparison.)<font color="green">&#9734;&#9733;</font>[[User:संजीव कुमार|<u><font color="Magenta">Sanjeev Kumar</font></u>]] ([[User talk:संजीव कुमार|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]) 15:23, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::That might even be ''because'' they are forced to login. :) Seems a paradox, I know, but [[Research:Asking anonymous editors to register|past research]] shows that can reduce average productivity. Either way, better not trust intuition for such things. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 00:06, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::: As far as i know: MobileFrontend will not introduce new rights or protection levels (i know one, who maybe like this {{ping|MZMcBride}} :)). The goal should be to make mobile more like desktop (minimize special handlings from MobileFrontend and not increase them :)) and "just make MobileFrontend a mobile view", not a mediawiki inside mediawiki (if you understand, what i mean :P) :) --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 06:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> === Pre-per-wiki exceptions ===<br /> The list below tries to show wikis (or better: (some) users of these wikis), who requested to except these wikis from enabling IP-editing in MobileFrontend (aka mobile view), if enabling should be the global default. {{unsigned|Florianschmidtwelzow|06:34 3 March 2015 (UTC)}}<br /> <br /> ''Deleted''<br /> <br /> :I removed the list because it would be confusing. The violation of standard permissions never gained local consensus and can't be affirmed by individual users. As for "pre-per-wiki exceptions", local wikis can express a local wish with the usual process for [[Requesting wiki configuration changes]]. In other words, this list must be kept in [[Phabricator]] tickets with associated consensus.<br /> : Such requests will be dealt with all together and together with the (probable) request coming out of this discussion. There is one month to achieve local consensus and file tickets, it should be enough: if some policy requires more time in your wiki, let's adjust timings. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 07:22, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :: Thanks for pointing me to the [[Requesting wiki configuration changes]]-page :) I totally agree with this process (and like you explained), my list was just because it seems (at least in my personal understanding of some discussions here) that some wikis want to pre-opt-out :) --[[User:Florianschmidtwelzow|Florianschmidtwelzow]] ([[User talk:Florianschmidtwelzow|talk]]) 09:44, 3 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Which URL shortener to use ==<br /> <br /> Hello. <br /> This is a very small request for clarification ... I have tried to include shortened urls in a number of project pages linking out to different relevant sites and the spam filter turns rejects the edit due to the url. Is there a url shortener that is acceptable, or are all banned? It is difficult when you want to get a message across with regards to say, how to structure a specific twitter message to enter a community prize contest. Thought I would ask ... [[User:Islahaddow|Islahaddow]] ([[User talk:Islahaddow|talk]]) 08:12, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * Thanks for asking. The answer is simple: don't use URL shorteners. There is no reason to, on wikis. The example you make, Twitter, probably involves simple URLs (which work on MediaWiki) and doesn't require URL shortening because Twitter handles that. Can you make specific examples where you'd need to post a shortened URL on the wiki? Thanks, [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 08:26, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :: Hi [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]], thanks for answering ...! We are about to announce a call for the Community to vote for the last [[c:Wiki_Loves_Africa_2014/Community_Prize_Selection|Community Prize for Wiki Loves Africa]] - we want to include twitter as a way of voting, but need to include the link to the voting page so that others on social media can see the selection and then vote themselves ... and if the 'template' for the tweet includes a shortened url, it saves the poster/voter the bother of having to shorten the link. But if not, then some twitter clients do it automatically, others don't. That's why I was asking ... [[User:Islahaddow|Islahaddow]] ([[User talk:Islahaddow|talk]]) 08:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::: You can test adding the shortened link without the "http://" prefix, IIRC Twitter still hyperlinks such links. As for clients, I don't know how many people still use clients, but most websites I see around link https://twitter.com/intent/tweet and similar for such suggestions, see also https://dev.twitter.com/web/intents --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 09:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :: Thanks [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] will look into what you have suggested! [[User:Islahaddow|Islahaddow]] ([[User talk:Islahaddow|talk]]) 09:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == ''Wikimedia Highlights'' from January 2015 ==<br /> <br /> <div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">''Here are the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Highlights|highlights]] from the '''[https://blog.wikimedia.org Wikimedia blog]''' in January 2015, covering selected activities of the Wikimedia Foundation and other important events from the Wikimedia movement.''</div>[[File:Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg|80px|right]]<br /> *[[m:Wikimedia_Highlights,_January_2015#Wikipedia turns 14, receives prestigious Erasmus Prize 2015|Wikipedia turns 14, receives prestigious Erasmus Prize 2015]]<br /> *[[m:Wikimedia_Highlights,_January_2015#Civility, Wikipedia, and the conversation on Gamergate|Civility, Wikipedia, and the conversation on Gamergate]]<br /> *[[m:Wikimedia_Highlights,_January_2015#How high school student Jack Andraka used Wikipedia to research a new test for cancer|How high school student Jack Andraka used Wikipedia to research a new test for cancer]]<br /> *[[m:Wikimedia_Highlights,_January_2015#Wellcome Library donates 100,000 medical images to Wikimedia Commons|Wellcome Library donates 100,000 medical images to Wikimedia Commons]]<br /> *[[m:Wikimedia_Highlights,_January_2015#Senior citizens learn to edit Wikipedia in the Czech Republic|Senior citizens learn to edit Wikipedia in the Czech Republic]]<br /> *[[m:Wikimedia_Highlights,_January_2015#Try Content Translation: A quick way to create new articles from other languages|Try Content Translation: A quick way to create new articles from other languages]]<br /> *[[m:Wikimedia_Highlights,_January_2015#Weekly edit-a-thons help create new articles about women and literature in Sweden|Weekly edit-a-thons help create new articles about women and literature in Sweden]]<br /> <small>(The ''Wikimedia Highlights'' issues from some recent months have not been distributed via this notice, but can be found [[m:Wikimedia Highlights|in the archive]].)</small><br /> <div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">'''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Highlights|About]]''' &middot; [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Wikimedia Highlights|Subscribe/unsubscribe]], 23:17, 18 February 2015 (UTC)</div><br /> <br /> <br /> == [[CNBanner:Stewvote-text1/ce]] ==<br /> <br /> Will work? --[[User:Дагиров Умар|Дагиров Умар]] ([[User talk:Дагиров Умар|talk]]) 16:04, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :It will work now. I just published it. [[User:Glaisher|Glaisher]] ([[User talk:Glaisher|talk]]) 16:07, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :: Thank you so much. -- [[User:Дагиров Умар|Дагиров Умар]] ([[User talk:Дагиров Умар|talk]]) 17:12, 19 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Cannot login to Wikipedia ==<br /> <br /> My IP address is blocked from editing, and, since I created my new account, Bigwill91, I can't login. Instead, I get an error message:<br /> <br /> Cannot create account<br /> <br /> Account creation from IP addresses in the range 2602:306:CC2E:EFB0:0:0:0:0/64, which includes your IP address (2602:306:cc2e:efb0:1824:5c87:d994:1a05), has been blocked by Elockid.<br /> <br /> The reason given by Elockid is Block evasion:<br /> <br /> Could someone ask an administrator on Wikipedia (both English and Simple English) to unblock my IP address, because I registered my new account? Thanks. <font face="Segoe UI" color="#8277a98">[[User:Bigwill91|Regards]], </font><font face="Segoe UI" color="blue">[[User talk:Bigwill91|'''Bigwill''']]</font><font color="red"><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Bigwill91|(History)]]</sup></font> Timestamp: 00:48, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :You'll need to log into your Wikipedia account and request an unblock via the instructions provided. A checkuser will have to look into your request. Unfortunately the meta community is not able to assist you. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<font color="#151B54">'''Mike V'''</font>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<font color="#C16C16">'''Talk'''</font>]]</span> 01:07, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Actually, I am having login issues on Wikipedia (both [[en:|en.wikipedia.org]] and [[simple:|simple.wikipedia.org]]). Please unblock my IP address. <font face="Segoe UI" color="#8277a98">[[User:Bigwill91|Regards]], </font><font face="Segoe UI" color="blue">[[User talk:Bigwill91|'''Bigwill''']]</font><font color="red"><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Bigwill91|(History)]]</sup></font> Timestamp: 01:14, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::As it was explained in [[Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Global_account]], it is up to the local admins who know the reason for the IP block to evaluate the unblocking. Maybe you are just using an IP from a shared connection (e.g. in a college) which shows a long history of attacks/trolling and en.wiki before exempting you from the block needs to be sure you are not related.--[[User:Alexmar983|Alexmar983]] ([[User talk:Alexmar983|talk]]) 01:23, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::My IP address, however, is still block on enwiki/simplewiki and I still can't login to Wikipedia. Any suggestions? Thanks. <font face="Segoe UI" color="#8277a98">[[User:Bigwill91|Regards]], </font><font face="Segoe UI" color="blue">[[User talk:Bigwill91|'''Bigwill''']]</font><font color="red"><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Bigwill91|(History)]]</sup></font> Timestamp: 01:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::In that case, you'll need to file a request at [[en:Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System|UTRS]]. We won't be able to unblock the IP right away. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<font color="#151B54">'''Mike V'''</font>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<font color="#C16C16">'''Talk'''</font>]]</span> 01:37, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Actually, you can restore talk page access for my IP address. Could you? <font face="Segoe UI" color="#8277a98">[[User:Bigwill91|Regards]], </font><font face="Segoe UI" color="blue">[[User talk:Bigwill91|'''Bigwill''']]</font><font color="red"><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Bigwill91|(History)]]</sup></font> Timestamp: 01:41, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::The talk page access is irrelevant, as you stated you can't log in. Please use the UTRS process. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<font color="#151B54">'''Mike V'''</font>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<font color="#C16C16">'''Talk'''</font>]]</span> 01:48, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&wpTarget=2602%3A306%3ACC2E%3AEFB0%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A0%2F64] [https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&wpTarget=2602%3A306%3ACC2E%3AEFB0%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A0%2F64&limit=50] are these shared? [[User:Mjbmr|Mjbmr]] (<small>[[User talk:Mjbmr|discussion]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mjbmr|contribs]]</small>) 02:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::"All IP addresses withing this range are allocated to one customer". That's the reason. My IP address was blocked until next year. If I wasn't evading a block, can I still contribute constructively on Wikipedia? <font face="Segoe UI" color="#8277a98">[[User:Bigwill91|Regards]], </font><font face="Segoe UI" color="blue">[[User talk:Bigwill91|'''Bigwill''']]</font><font color="red"><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Bigwill91|(History)]]</sup></font> Timestamp: 02:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::You can check where these users who blocked that IP in other wikis there are active using [[Special:CentralAuth]] and leave them messages in other wikis you can edit. [[User:Mjbmr|Mjbmr]] (<small>[[User talk:Mjbmr|discussion]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mjbmr|contribs]]</small>) 02:28, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * BigWill91/William Pina, you have been blocked on the English Wikipedia for your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=612470809#Conduct_of_William_Pina conduct] and you are also [[Special:CentralAuth/William_Pina|globally locked]] for disruptive editing across wikimedia so its in your best interest to not create sock accounts or else you will be blocked from all wikis for good. ..--<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:medium;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">[[User:Stemoc|Ste]][[User talk:Stemoc|moc]]</span> 03:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> * @[[User:Stemoc]]: ''William Pina'' is my former account. And, since I don't use it anymore, I promise I will not disrupt anymore. So, I can make constructive edits now, since I was editing anonymously. I can stay calm, and I will not vandalize pages anymore. Thanks. <font face="Segoe UI" color="#8277a98">[[User:Bigwill91|Regards]], </font><font face="Segoe UI" color="blue">[[User talk:Bigwill91|'''Bigwill''']]</font><font color="red"><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Bigwill91|(History)]]</sup></font> Timestamp: 03:51, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :There are more abuses afaics. --[[User:Vituzzu|Vituzzu]] ([[User talk:Vituzzu|talk]]) 16:07, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::You were recently given a month block by another English Wikipedia admin for trolling. In July you stated "I'll never be disruptive any more." Now what do we have here, in September, you were vandalizing and causing disruption yet again (and was blocked for it too). I see absolutely no reason to lift your block. [[User:Elockid|Elockid]] ([[User talk:Elockid|talk]]) 22:47, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Bigwill is now blocked on en.wikipedia, for Obvious, and possibly resulting from this discussion. William Pina is blocked, so any new editing by IP or by a new account is block evasion. Disruptive. Therefore a promise "I will not disrupt any more" is broken from the start. You will need to be unblocked as William Pina. And now, you are creating all this fuss here. That is also disruptive. William Pina was globally locked, as noted. That is not a global ban, in itself. However, it creates a problem. You cannot request unblock of William Pina because of the global lock. Basically, by being disruptive cross-wiki last year, you created a mess for yourself. If you want to recover from this, I suggest this: register an account on en.wikiversity.org. That is not ban evasion, because you are not blocked from Wikiversity. You are not required to disclose who you are. But if you want help, you can ask for it privately; with an account, you will be able to send email. Take an interest in developing educational resources. Learn to behave cooperatively, to help out. Wikiversity is a good place for that, we will allow you to make mistakes. But if you become disruptive, and ignore warnings, you will be blocked there the same as anywhere. With some positive Wikiversity history, you may then be able to ask for global unlock and then clean up the Wikipedia mess. Good luck. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] ([[User talk:Abd|talk]]) 00:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::My request is getting declined because of a reply on [[Steward requests/Global permissions#Global rollback for Bigwill91]]. [[User:Bigwill91|<font face="Segoe UI" color="#8277a98">Regards]], </font>[[User talk:Bigwill91|<font face="Segoe UI" color="blue">'''Bigwill'''</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Bigwill91|<font color="red">(History)</font>]]</sup> Timestamp: 01:54, 21 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Vandalised Etherpad ==<br /> <br /> [[user:Resident Mario]] has [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_affiliation_models&diff=prev&oldid=11323399 noted] that https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/MR2012 is vandalised. I cant see how to restore it to its former glory. Help? [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|talk]]) 11:31, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Related: https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/issues/1791 Etherpad developers have a strong hostility towards basic version control tools, from what I gather. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 12:15, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::I'm not sure why whatever was present in that document was published using Etherpad at all, though I also don't actually know what was written there in the first place. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 16:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> :I was able to restore the content that was removed. Everything that was there previously should be there... minus any coloring which was specific to the author who had typed the text originally. --[[User:Az1568|Az1568]] ([[User talk:Az1568|talk]]) 04:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Join [[Grants:Learning patterns/Project/Diversity learning patterns campaign|Let's Talk Diversity!]] ==<br /> <br /> [[File:I love Wikimedia Diversity Flyer.png|thumb|300px|I love Wikimedia Diversity Flyer]]<br /> Hi all, <br /> my name is [[user:MCruz (WMF)|María]], I am community liaison for [[grants:evaluation|Learning & Evaluation team]] at the Wikimedia Foundation. I reach out to spread the word about a campaign we launched a few days ago, Let's Talk Diversity. this initiative aims to generate a pool of knowledge around bringing diversity to Wikimedia projects. We want to capture the learning processes that stem from these experiences. Users can contribute a problem, a solution, or write a [[grants:learning pattern|Learning Pattern]] that addresses problems and solutions proposed by others. We would love to see many voices represented in this campaign! <br/><br /> <big> [[Grants:Learning patterns/Project/Diversity learning patterns campaign|Go to campaign page now.]]</big> <br/><br /> Contributors will be awarded a Learning Pattern Barnstar. <br /> Happy editing, <br /> [[User:MCruz (WMF)|MCruz (WMF)]] ([[User talk:MCruz (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 25 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Volunteer Response Team / OTRS Annual Report 2014 ==<br /> <br /> This year's annual report on [[OTRS|Wikimedia's OTRS and specifically the Volunteer Response Team's]] activities is now available '''[https://tools.wmflabs.org/otrsreports/annual/2014 here]'''. If you have any questions or comments, please leave them at [[Talk:OTRS/Reports/2014]]. —&nbsp;[[User:Pajz|Pajz]] ([[User talk:Pajz|talk]]) 19:19, 25 February 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == SUL issue: cannot log in on some projects ==<br /> <br /> Hi. My account is a SUL account, and has been for a long time. It happens that on some projects, like wikidata, I cannot log in with my SUL account (and my "logged in" status is not recognized when I have logged in on some other project). I have checked that there is no local account with that name (the user page says the username is not registered, when trying to register it says my username is already taken as a SUL account). Is it some known issue about wikidata, or is it only me? Thanks in advance, --[[User:Eusebius|Eusebius]] ([[User talk:Eusebius|talk]]) 07:25, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Usually this happens when the autocreation of the local account upon login is prevented by something. You have created [[Special:CentralAuth/Eusebius|only 2 local accounts in a year]] but the most recent is today. Do you manage to login, say, on [[wikt:it:]] or [[outreach:]]? --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 08:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Thanks for taking the time to reply. Problem solved, of course it was a stupid one: I changed my password a while ago, then forgot that I did, and only one of my browers recorded the change, the other ones apparently kept running on prior authentication cookies... Sorry to have wasted your time and thanks again. --[[User:Eusebius|Eusebius]] ([[User talk:Eusebius|talk]]) 10:06, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::: Since the inception of the Outreach wiki in 2009, SUL has never worked properly for me there. Recently, it is less bad -- when I go there, I am not logged in, but when I click "log in" it recognizes that I am already logged in and does not request my username and password -- it simply refreshes the page, now showing my logged-in interface. 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9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:9xl&diff=11442040 User:9xl 2015-03-03T08:39:20Z

<p>9xl: global</p> <hr /> <div>{{#babel:de|en-2|es-1}}<br /> {{#switch: {{CONTENTLANGUAGE}}<br /> |als<br /> |gsw<br /> |lb<br /> |nds<br /> |de=Ich bin auf der deutschsprachigen Wikisource [[s:de:User:9xl|zu Hause]] – bitte kontaktiere mich dort.<br /> |#default=My [[s:de:User:9xl|home project]] is German Wikisource.<br /> <br /> If you need to contact me use my [[s:de:User talk:9xl|talk page]] there.}}</div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/X!%27s_Edit_Counter&diff=5594829 Requests for comment/X!'s Edit Counter 2013-06-23T06:30:05Z

<p>9xl: /* Keep opt-in */</p> <hr /> <div>{{rfc subpage}}<br /> {{languages|Requests for comment/X!'s Edit Counter/Summary}}<br /> <small>([//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Requests+for+comment%2FX%21%27s+Edit+Counter%2FSummary Translate!])</small>{{:Requests for comment/X!'s Edit Counter/Summary/en}}<br /> <br /> === Keep opt-in ===<br /> # It makes a difference whether detailed edit statistics can be theoretically derived from the available data or if they are easily presented without effort including graphs that display working periods. These graphs can reveal a lot about an editor and many editors would not feel comfortable with that. It could even have the consequence that editors are leaving. At the end, this is not just a legal question but also a question about what is important, i.e. to move forward to fulfill the [[:wmf:Mission statement|misson]] of the WMF projects or to turn WMF into something like some other well known Internet sites that recklessly make accumulated user data available to third parties. The WMF takes a grand stand in regard to [[PRISM]] which states: ''Freedom of speech and access to information are core Wikimedia values. These values can be compromised by surveillance: editors and readers understandably are less willing to write and inform themselves as honestly and freely. Put simply, "rights of privacy are necessary for intellectual freedom."'' Please keep these core values alive and heed them. This was an opt-in for very good reasons, not just legal ones. --[[User:AFBorchert|AFBorchert]] ([[User talk:AFBorchert|talk]]) 06:17, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:J. Patrick Fischer|J. Patrick Fischer]] ([[User talk:J. Patrick Fischer|talk]]) 07:14, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Nach den Erfahrungen mit US-Amerikanischen Behörden und dem fehlenden Respekt vor der Privatsphäre der Menschen sollte jegliche Weitergabe von Informationen auf Freiwilligkeit beruhen. --[[User:Steschke|ST]] [[:de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Steschke|○]] 07:22, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # While the information is all public it is still very difficult to gather easily for the normal person and can give an awful ot away about a person. It is good practice to give someone the option to show that. I'M .... 'kinda' ok with an opt out but would prefer an opt-in. [[User:Jamesofur|Jamesofur]] ([[User talk:Jamesofur|talk]]) 07:58, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # There is no need for having detailed edit statistics. But, if someone want these information about himselfe or herselfe, he or she should say so. --[[User:Goldzahn|Goldzahn]] ([[User talk:Goldzahn|talk]]) 08:34, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:NordNordWest|NNW]] ([[User talk:NordNordWest|talk]]) 09:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Keep opt-in. - Yes, the data is already available. But there is indeed a difference between that and analysis of the data supported by WikiMedia. Plus, people are too interested in this often (but not always) trivial data. See the numerous edit counters. [[User:Garion96|Garion96]] [[User talk:Garion96|(talk)]] 09:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Kolossos|Kolossos]] ([[User talk:Kolossos|talk]]) 09:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Heiko|Heiko]] ([[User talk:Heiko|talk]]) 09:59, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Orci|Orci]] ([[User talk:Orci|talk]]) 10:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Polarlys|Polarlys]] ([[User talk:Polarlys|talk]]) 10:08, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Millbart|Millbart]] ([[User talk:Millbart|talk]]) 10:21, 22 June 2013 (UTC) I see no reason to abandon opt-in and agree with AFBorchert's statement above.<br /> # --[[User:Ephraim33|Ephraim33]] ([[User talk:Ephraim33|talk]]) 10:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Atamari|Atamari]] ([[User talk:Atamari|talk]]) 10:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Bubo bubo|Bubo]] [[User_Talk:Bubo bubo|&#23481;]] 10:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # There are people who take these statistics and try to turn them against you to fuel their personal attacks, it's a shame but it's like that. No need to make it easier for them. Plus, it's a big difference if somebody is spying on you in secret or if your profile is on open display for everybody. -- [[User:HvW|HvW]] ([[User talk:HvW|talk]]) 10:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # We should respect those contributors who do not wish to reveal too much information about themselves. Per AFBorchert above, it does make a difference whether information can be theoretically derived or whether information is readily analyzed in detail and publicly presented. --[[User:UV|UV]] ([[User talk:UV|talk]]) 10:45, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 11:44, 22 June 2013 (UTC) I am with all previous editors.<br /> # Like #7 --[[User:Morten Haan|Morten Haan]] ([[User talk:Morten Haan|talk]]) 12:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[user:Steef389|Steef]]&nbsp;<sup>[[de:BD:Steef389|389]]</sup> 12:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Tim.landscheidt|Tim Landscheidt]] ([[User talk:Tim.landscheidt|talk]]) 12:43, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Varina|Varina]] ([[User talk:Varina|talk]]) 13:06, 22 June 2013 (UTC) like AFBorchert<br /> # [[User:XenonX3|XenonX3]] ([[User talk:XenonX3|talk]]) 13:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:PerfektesChaos|PerfektesChaos]] ([[User talk:PerfektesChaos|talk]]) 13:22, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #* It is a legitimated interest to know whether a user is experienced or newcomer, and focussing on main space like encyclopedic articles, or on project issues, talk, files or template programming.<br /> #* It is none of any users business at which time of the day someone is working, in which month higher or lower efforts occur. Is he unemployed? Is he ill, cannot sleep? Easy to be misused for judgement over users, who are human beings.<br /> #* If you want to get an impression what an unknown user is dealing with, take a glance on recent 500 contributions and retrieve a manual glimpse on edit summaries, topics, minor edits, changes with thousands of bytes, reverts, recently inactive? It is okay to get such a feeling if you are going to elect a user, but you don’t need a detailed statistical analysis.<br /> #* It is unjustified nosiness to achieve on simple click an exhaustive personal dissection, and tools provided by wmflabs shall not support snoopery.<br /> #* Supporters of dropping opt-in haven’t been able yet to tell us any single reason for which good purpose they ''need'' such analysis of other peoples behaviour. With regard to contents and POV a monthly schedule and (as the tool has been able a couple of years ago) evaluation by time of the day gives no insight at all.<br /> # AFBorchert has exactly the same stance on this issue as i have. --[[User:Gnu1742|Gnu1742]] ([[User talk:Gnu1742|talk]]) 13:37, 22 June 2013 (UTC)#:<br /> # -- [[User:MarcoAurelio|MarcoAurelio]] ([[User talk:MarcoAurelio|talk]]) 13:38, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # or an opt-out option. --[[User:Túrelio|Túrelio]] ([[User talk:Túrelio|talk]]) 13:51, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Raymond|Raymond]] ([[User talk:Raymond|talk]]) 13:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC) Per AFBorchert<br /> # nicht verboten, heißt noch lange nicht, dass es gut ist ...[[Wikipedysta:Sicherlich|<span style="color:#348853">Sicherlich</span>]] <sup> [[de:Benutzer Diskussion:Sicherlich|Post]] </sup> 14:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Elvaube|Elvaube]] ([[User talk:Elvaube|talk]]) 14:20, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # per AFBorchert. --[[User:Sitic|Sitic]] ([[User talk:Sitic|talk]]) 15:02, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Dritte von links|Dritte von links]] ([[User talk:Dritte von links|talk]]) 15:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:El bes|El bes]] ([[User talk:El bes|talk]]) 15:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC) Too much personal data would be available to anymone.<br /> #--[[User:Mauerquadrant|Mauerquadrant]] ([[User talk:Mauerquadrant|talk]]) 17:20, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Per AFBorchert.--[[User:Aschmidt|Aschmidt]] ([[User talk:Aschmidt|talk]]) 17:24, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Per AFBorchert -- [[User:Sozi|Sozi]] ([[User talk:Sozi|talk]]) 17:51, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Density|Density]] ([[User talk:Density|talk]]) 18:51, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Müdigkeit|Müdigkeit]] ([[User talk:Müdigkeit|talk]]) 18:53, 22 June 2013 (UTC) per AFBorchert.<br /> # Agreee wholeheartedly with the excellent first comment by AFBorchert. Regards, [[User:Iselilja|Iselilja]] ([[User talk:Iselilja|talk]]) 20:25, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Radiohörer|Radiohörer]] ([[User talk:Radiohörer|talk]]) 20:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC) Some User should have his privacy. Who want to provide his complete statistics to everyone can set the opt-in, all others don't need to set it. This method there is since many years so and should be continued. An opt-out will make many questions and upsets by users, which strictly look to their privacy and won't give any information for someone. This is my opinion to this topic.<br /> # Working on wiki is not a private area. --[[User:Mario7|Mario7]] ([[User talk:Mario7|talk]]) 21:18, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # "Others do it anyway" is a poor reason to do it as well. --[[User:Rudolph Buch|Rudolph Buch]] ([[User talk:Rudolph Buch|talk]]) 21:45, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # I see no reason to abandon opt-in and agree with AFBorchert's statement above. --[[User:Neozoon|Neozoon]] ([[User talk:Neozoon|talk]]) 22:10, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Per AFBorchert [[User:FreeKnowledgeCreator|FreeKnowledgeCreator]] ([[User talk:FreeKnowledgeCreator|talk]]) 23:29, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Isderion|Isderion]] ([[User talk:Isderion|talk]]) 00:06, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # I think we should keep the opt-in, & continue to give Users the security, freedom and choice of opting-in to display their stats. And I like the clear & concise presentation of X!'s Edit Counter. [[User:JudyCS|JudyCS]] ([[User talk:JudyCS|talk]]) 02:11, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # I prefer this option because it gives me the freedom to choose, I don't find out sometime 3 years after creating an account that "Oh I didn't know I had the option to opt out". Also by opting in I am also confirming this is what I want to do and there is no opportunity for me to say "hey I didn't want to do that". Furthermore, I like the way it is set up now and the way it looks and if you change things then this might not be the case. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to "vote" [[User:Tattoodwaitress|Tattoodwaitress]] ([[User talk:Tattoodwaitress|talk]]) 03:11, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # All editors should have the option to opt-in or out. Each one should decide on its level of privacy.--[[User:Mariordo|Mariordo]] ([[User talk:Mariordo|talk]]) 03:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #: Allowing editors to opt-in is a simple matter of choice, a choice everyone should be allowed to exercise. [[Special:Contributions/98.211.0.95|98.211.0.95]] 04:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #::No IPs please.—[[en:User:Cyberpower678|<font color=green face=Neuropol>cyberpower</font>]] <sup>[[en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<font color=red face=arnprior>Chat</font>]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"><font color=red face=arnprior>Hello!</font></sub> 04:30, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Oriciu|Oriciu]] ([[User talk:Oriciu|talk]]) 05:12, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # It comes down to a simple matter of choice, a choice editors should always be free to make (or not to make). [[User:Coinmanj|Coinmanj]] ([[User talk:Coinmanj|talk]]) 05:15, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Aurora|...Aurora...]] ([[User talk:Aurora|talk]]) 05:33, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:Syrcro|Syrcro]] ([[User talk:Syrcro|talk]]) 05:37, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Robby|Robby]] ([[User talk:Robby|talk]]) 05:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # per AFBorchert --[[User:Byrial|Byrial]] ([[User talk:Byrial|talk]]) 05:56, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:FoBe|FoBe]] ([[User talk:FoBe|talk]]) 06:08, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:9xl|9xl]] ([[User talk:9xl|talk]]) 06:30, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> === Remove opt-in and replace with opt-out ===<br /> # --[[User:Minihaa|Minihaa]] ([[User talk:Minihaa|talk]]) 14:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # [[User:King jakob c 2|King jakob c 2]] ([[User talk:King jakob c 2|talk]]) 19:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # - We are moving more and more towards a WP world focused more on EDITORS than CONTENT. See the policy from way back about what surveillance does to freedom. It is why the bulk of my edits have been made as an IP. I don't want to talk about me. I don't want when & what size to be part of the narrative of my work here. The information is public but other editors need to know HOW to dig for it so there's a level of WP-savvy that makes a kind of filter. Let's keep that filter as an option. Personal privacy, even the illusion of it, matters. [[User:EBY3221|EBY3221]] ([[User talk:EBY3221|talk]]) 04:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> === Remove opt-in completely ===<br /> # Not private information, and data is available on wikichecker.com anyway. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 03:14, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # There's no private data that I can think of. I don't see how a list of what pages I've edited is private data. Anybody could write a client-side tool to parse Special:Contributions to obtain this information... <i><b>[[User:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">Snowolf</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">How can I help?</font>]]</small></sup></b></i> 04:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #::Sure. But if he comes out with these informations, he should be blocked by law or at court, as well as it should occur to Wikimedia in the comparable case. -- [[User:Sozi|Sozi]] ([[User talk:Sozi|talk]]) 18:01, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #:::Lol, so reading Special:Contributions is a crime. --<small>[[User:MF-Warburg|MF-W]]</small> 18:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #::::Rofl, maybe not in the states of ''Tempora'' or ''Prism''. -- [[User:Sozi|Sozi]] ([[User talk:Sozi|talk]]) 18:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # No private data here. Stats can be aggregated from Special:Contributions...why make it harder when the data is already there. [[User:Jguy|Jguy]] ([[User talk:Jguy|talk]]) 05:29, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Though I agree that this data could possibly seen as a kind of invasion of privacy for individuals who do not expect their edits to become public, it is also already available through other means, so I think that's a moot point. Also, edits in mainspace are encyclopedic by nature, so who cares? I can't see a negative side, although it may be upsetting to future employers to see that someone has spent most of the past year editting "Game of Thrones" articles, I guess. That said, I strongly doubt that future employers are capable of looking up this tool - they are way more likely to check out their candidate's facebook page. I have always liked this tool for looking at my own edits, and I have often checked out what others have been up to. It's a great way to orient yourself quickly on the interests of other editors, and ~I think it would be great to have for teachers keeping track of student edits. [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|talk]]) 08:29, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # No private data. --[[User:Holder|Holder]] ([[User talk:Holder|talk]]) 08:44, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # No private data and theres a big need for these statistics. -- [[User:Milad A380|Milad A380]] ([[User talk:Milad A380|talk]]) 09:16, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #: Data available elsewhere anyway. Opt-Out would be ok for me, too. --[[Special:Contributions/89.204.154.36|89.204.154.36]] 09:43, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #::I'm sorry. No IPs please. This is for sockpuppeting reasons.—[[en:User:Cyberpower678|<font color=green face=Neuropol>cyberpower</font>]] <sup>[[en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<font color=red face=arnprior>Chat</font>]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"><font color=red face=arnprior>Hello!</font></sub> 12:10, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # per Snowolf --[[User:Glaisher|Glaisher]] ([[User talk:Glaisher|talk]]) 09:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # There is really no data here that cannot be found in another way already. --<small>[[User:MF-Warburg|MF-W]]</small> 13:17, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # No remaining need for opt-in, although I think that an opt-out feature would be fine. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 14:18, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # I'm not sure I'm against an opt-out, but there shouldn't be a reason that one should need to opt-in. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 14:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Agreed with Snowolf. --[[User:Frigotoni|<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC; color:black" >'''Frigotoni'''</span>]][[:m:User_talk:Frigotoni|<small> ...<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:navy" >'''i'm here'''</span></small>]]; 14:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # see #2, #6 --[[User:Nyan Dog|Nyan]] ∗ [[User talk:Nyan Dog|Dog]] 15:41, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # per above. [[User:LlamaAl|LlamaAl]] ([[User talk:LlamaAl|talk]]) 17:16, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Per snowolf. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 17:45, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Per snowolf. Frankly it would be trivial to build and then host a version that doesn't include an opt-in, if people wanted. [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 18:01, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # This seems a rather absurd discussion. This tool already exists on a non-WMF server without any option for participation, using freely available data feeds from the WMF. It seems rather silly to say that the publicly available feeds coming from the WMF cannot be analysed on WMF servers by WMF participants, when it's already been analysed on non-WMF servers. I'd rather have it here. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 18:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #Absolutely no private information is used here, so there is no need for a specific opt-in. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 19:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #[[User:Boogerpatrol|Boogerpatrol]] ([[User talk:Boogerpatrol|talk]]) 20:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # per Snowolf--[[User:Steinsplitter|Steinsplitter]] ([[User talk:Steinsplitter|talk]]) 20:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # per #1 and #2. There's nothing private here. [[User:ALH|ALH]] ([[User talk:ALH|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # as on #1 and #2. It's a shame people are using Wikimedia editing statistics for personal attacks. But as this data is already publicly available, I don't quite see the problem.--[[User:Paracel63|Paracel63]] ([[User talk:Paracel63|talk]]) 21:16, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # per #1, #2, and 6; though were a user to be indefinitely blocked or banned completely, opt-out would be fine. [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #Uneeded as server is moved outside of German jurisdiction which prompted its inclusion. --<small> [[User:とある白い猫|とある白い猫]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:とある白い猫|chi?]]</sup> 21:54, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #Data on editors' contributions ''should'' be widely available to combat POV pushing and similar problematic behaviour. There is no privacy issue as contributions are public record. This falls squarely in line with the foundations's privacy policy which reads: ''User contributions are also aggregated and publicly available. User contributions are aggregated according to their registration and login status. Data on user contributions, such as the times at which users edited and the number of edits they have made, are publicly available via user contributions lists, and in aggregated forms published by other users.'' [[User:Themfromspace|Themfromspace]] ([[User talk:Themfromspace|talk]]) 22:10, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # per Snowolf. --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Ricordisamoa|<span style="color:#004B70">Ricordi</span>]][[User talk:Ricordisamoa|<span style="color:#00703E">samoa</span>]]</span> 22:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # <span style="font-family: Segoe Script; font-size:12px;">[[User:Alan|Alan]] <sup>([[User talk:Alan|talk]])</sup></span> 23:14, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Not private information. [[User:S.Örvarr.S|Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson]] ([[User talk:S.Örvarr.S|talk]]) 23:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # There is no private information, the information can already be compiled (albeit very monotonously) via other means, and this information is already available on WikiChecker. There really is no reason to restrict everyone from being able to see all of these statistics, and it can be very helpful to users. [[User:Inks.LWC|Inks.LWC]] ([[User talk:Inks.LWC|talk]]) 23:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # As others have said, anybody can come in and compile such information (with a little effort, of course) and it's essentially public information. [[User:APerson241|APerson241]] ([[User talk:APerson241|talk]]) 01:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # This only gives public data, so there shouldn't be a problem, especially since other users could easily write a script to get and parse API content or get an account on Toolserver or Labs and query the database for similar info. <b><span style="border:2px solid;font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Hazard-SJ|<span style="background:#00008B;color:#FFF">&nbsp;Hazard-SJ&nbsp;</span>]][[User talk:Hazard-SJ|<span style="color:#00008B;background:red">&nbsp;✈&nbsp;</span>]]</span></b> 02:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Per Snowolf. —'''<span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:M.O.X|<font color="Red" face="Tahoma">James</font>]] [[User talk:M.O.X|<font color="Teal" face="Trebuchet MS">(talk)</font>]]</span>''' 03:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Per Snowolf and Rschen, as this information is already out there, and we're making it a lot more complicated in order to find something that some person could easily figure out on their own. [[User:Ktr101|Kevin Rutherford]] ([[User talk:Ktr101|talk]]) 03:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #Per Snowolf. [[User:Tony1|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml"><font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font ></span>]] 05:21, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #--[[User:Arjunaraoc|Arjunaraoc]] ([[User talk:Arjunaraoc|talk]]) 05:26, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #--[[User:Andyrom75|Andyrom75]] ([[User talk:Andyrom75|talk]]) 05:36, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> #I've always found this ridiculous, and I even doubt that German law really required this since storing of contribution data has always been in our privacy policy, and the edit counter is just a more readable aggregation. If we can get rid of it, that's good. [[User:Darkweasel94|Darkweasel94]] ([[User talk:Darkweasel94|talk]]) 05:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> # Snowolf has it. [[User:Ihardlythinkso|Ihardlythinkso]] ([[User talk:Ihardlythinkso|talk]]) 06:26, 23 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> === Discussion ===<br /> *I should note that this only affects the version hosted on Wikimedia Labs, and not the Toolserver version which is bound by the TOS of Toolserver and is at the moment still the only version that supports all Wikimedia Wikis. <i><b>[[User:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">Snowolf</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">How can I help?</font>]]</small></sup></b></i> 02:51, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *:Yes. That is correct. Once labs is fully setup, the toolserver version will be disabled.—[[en:User:Cyberpower678|<font color=green face=Neuropol>cyberpower</font>]] <sup>[[en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<font color=red face=arnprior>Chat</font>]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"><font color=red face=arnprior>Hello!</font></sub> 02:53, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *::I very much hope that that won't be the case, at least until we have some track record of labs stability now that they're getting more and more tools. There is no drawback to redundancy, especially when Wikimedia Labs for access to the Wikimedia Clusters' db is a very new feature with as of yet no track record in regards to stability. <i><b>[[User:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">Snowolf</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snowolf|<font color = "darkmagenta">How can I help?</font>]]</small></sup></b></i> 04:38, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *::Seconded. Nothing wrong with a little bit of redundancy. [[User:Legoktm|Legoktm]] ([[User talk:Legoktm|talk]]) 07:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *:::Unfortunately, at some point in 2014, WMDE will discontinue the toolserver so that staying is no option. '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 09:08, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *I posted a small notice at the [[:de:WP:K#Abstimmung über X!s Beitragszähler|''Kurier'']] about this RFC as this affects all editors. --[[User:AFBorchert|AFBorchert]] ([[User talk:AFBorchert|talk]]) 07:20, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> * Hmmmm, I'm not sure a vote on Meta-Wiki has the ability to control this. Can't I just write my own tool and do whatever I want? --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 15:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *:yes it does. I have access to these tools and can modify them. I started the RfC and I can determine the outcome. So I'm giving the community a chance to decide.—[[en:User:Cyberpower678|<font color=green face=Neuropol>cyberpower</font>]] <sup>[[en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<font color=red face=arnprior>Chat</font>]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"><font color=red face=arnprior>Hello!</font></sub> 17:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *::I do not understand your answer. What are you saying yes to? [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 18:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *:::Yes as in, that this discussion on meta will influence the outcome of the tool. MZMcBride stated that a discussion will not have the power to change the tool. Since I started the discussion, and because I am now the lead maintainer, I simply stated that this discussion can change the tool, if consensus for this change is established.—[[en:User:Cyberpower678|<font color=green face=Neuropol>cyberpower</font>]] <sup>[[en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<font color=red face=arnprior>Chat</font>]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"><font color=red face=arnprior>Hello!</font></sub> 19:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *::::Oh. Well, MZM is correct. This discussion doesn't change the tool. The only possible influence it has is in what version of the tool is hosted on WMFLabs. The tool already exists. Various forms of it already exist on non-WMF servers, and have no opt-in/opt-out. I think you're being disingenuous by completely failing to mention that ALL of the data is already publicly available and that WMF users not participating in the WMFLabs version means only that the info isn't on Labs. I believe there is a genuine misunderstanding, and that most people who are voting to keep the opt-in believe that means their information won't be accessible through the publicly available data. They are wrong. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 19:08, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *:::::I thought that was implied. I didn't figure that people believed that the tool was displaying private information. From what I gathered, people, didn't appreciate stats like that being compiled on the spot, and so conveniently.—[[en:User:Cyberpower678|<font color=green face=Neuropol>cyberpower</font>]] <sup>[[en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<font color=red face=arnprior>Chat</font>]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"><font color=red face=arnprior>Hello!</font></sub> 19:22, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *::::::[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment%2FX!%27s_Edit_Counter&diff=5593403&oldid=5593402] and I am committed to do so. -- [[User:Sozi|Sozi]] ([[User talk:Sozi|talk]]) 19:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *:::::::Making legal threats can and will lead to a block. Threatening to convict me of a crime, will accomplish nothing.—[[en:User:Cyberpower678|<font color=green face=Neuropol>cyberpower</font>]] <sup>[[en:User talk:Cyberpower678|<font color=red face=arnprior>Chat</font>]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"><font color=red face=arnprior>Hello!</font></sub> 19:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> *::::::::Lol, I earn my money as graphic designer, not as Wikimedian. If the EC tangles with Google, Amazon, Microsoft et al, Wikimedia will be a minor opponent. Not you. You are not the problem. -- [[User:Sozi|Sozi]] ([[User talk:Sozi|talk]]) 20:03, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Don't know if this is germane to the discussion. The edit counter has always been appreciated. What I don't quite understand is why a user's edit count isn't handled by 'Contributions'. When you click on contributions it shows the latest edits, page-name/link where the edit was made, size of the edit, time and date of the edit, along with the edit summary. All these details come up instantly, never a replication lag, so why can't this same system simply keep track of the number of the edit involved? Seems it would lighten the work load for this edit counter which frequently is subject to replication lag. -- [[Special:Contributions/98.119.101.103|98.119.101.103]] 21:14, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> :*I'd welcome such a solution as well.--[[User:Paracel63|Paracel63]] ([[User talk:Paracel63|talk]]) 21:17, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> :*Because it helps identify long term abuse and also meat & sock puppetry. --<small> [[User:とある白い猫|とある白い猫]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:とある白い猫|chi?]]</sup> 21:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::How does an edit counter, with its pie chart, do that? -- [[User:Gwillhickers|Gwillhickers]] ([[User talk:Gwillhickers|talk]]) 05:19, 23 June 2013 (UTC)</div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide&diff=3929003 Requests for comment/Travel Guide 2012-07-20T07:46:47Z

<p>9xl: /* Support */</p> <hr /> <div>'''{{Rfc subpage}}'''<br /> {{LangSwitch<br /> <br /> | en = Proposal: That we as the Wikimedia community ask the WMF to approve a '''[[Travel Guide]]''' project and allocate resources to support any technical aspects of starting the new project. This work would combine efforts on many free knowledge travel sites, some of which (e.g., Wikivoyage) want to migrate completely with their content and communities to the new travel guide project. <br /> <br /> '''Please be sure to read over [[Travel Guide]] and [[Talk:Travel Guide]] for more background on this proposal.'''<br /> <br /> | ca = Proposta: que nosaltres, com a comunitat de la Viquipèdia, demanem a la WMF aprovar un projecte de '''[[Travel Guide]]''' (guia de viatges) i distribuir recursos per donar suport a qualsevol aspecte tècnic que pugui sorgir durant el desenvolupament del nou projecte. Aquesta obra podria combinar esforços presents en molts llocs web de coneixement lliure de viatges (per exemple Wikivoyage), alguns dels quals volen migrar completament el seu contingut i comunitat al nou projecte de guia de viatge.<br /> <br /> '''Si us plau, assegureu-vos de llegir [[Travel Guide]] i [[Talk:Travel Guide]] per tenir tota la informació referent a aquesta proposta.'''<br /> <br /> | de = Antrag, dass wir als Wikimedia-Gemeinschaft die WMF bitten, einem '''[[Travel Guide|Reiseführer]]-Projekt''' zuzustimmen und Ressourcen bereitzustellen, um alle technischen Aspekte für den Start des neuen Projekts abzusichern. Dadurch würden die Anstrengungen vieler Open-Content-Reisewebsites gebündelt werden, von denen einige (z.B. Wikivoyage) vollständig mit ihren Inhalten und ihren Communitys zum neuen Reiseführer-Projekt migrieren wollen.<br /> <br /> '''Um mehr Hintergrundinformationen zu diesem Antrag zu erhalten, lesen Sie bitte unbedingt [[Travel Guide]] und [[Talk:Travel Guide]].'''<br /> <br /> | es = Propuesta: Nosotros, como comunidad de Wikimedia, solicitamos a la WMF que apruebe un proyecto de '''[[Travel Guide]]''' (guía de viaje) y que otorgue los recursos necesarios para los aspectos técnicos y el desarrollo de este nuevo proyecto. El proyecto tiene como objetivo combinar los esfuerzos de muchos sitios de conocimiento libre sobre viajes (por ejemplo Wikiviaje) que quieren migrar completamente sus contenidos y sus comunidades al nuevo proyecto. <br /> <br /> '''Para más información concerniente esta propuesta, por favor lea los artículos [[Travel Guide]] y [[Talk:Travel Guide]].'''<br /> <br /> | fi = Ehdotus: On ehdotettu, että aloitettaisiin matkailuopasprojekti. Tällä sivulla kysytään Wikimedian käyttäjäyhteisöltä '''[[Travel Guide]]''' -projektin aloittamisesta. Lisäksi pyritään antamaan apua projektin teknisiin haasteisiin. Projekti voisi yhdistää monien ilmaisien matkustussivustojen tietoja (kuten. Wikivoyage), jotka haluavat yhdistää sisältönsä uuteen matkailuopasprojektiin.<br /> <br /> '''Ole hyvä ja lue [[Travel Guide]] (englanniksi) ja [[Talk:Travel Guide]] (englanniksi) saadaksesi lisää taustatietoja tästä projektista.'''<br /> <br /> | fr = Proposition: Nous, en tant que communauté de Wikimédia, demandons à la WMF d'approuver un projet de '''[[Travel Guide]]''' (guide de voyage) et de créer des moyens de donations pour les aspects techniques et le développement de ce nouveau projet. Ceci a pour but de combiner les efforts de chacun des sites gratuits de voyage (par exemple Wikivoyage) qui veulent complètement migrer leur contenu et leur communauté au nouveau projet. <br /> <br /> '''Merci de lire d'avantage sur les articles [[Travel Guide]] et [[Talk:Travel Guide]] pour plus d'information concernant cette proposition.'''<br /> <br /> | it = Proposta: Che noi, come comunità di Wikimedia, chiediamo a WMF di approvare un progetto di '''[[Travel Guide|Guida turistica]]''' e allochi risorse per supportare gli aspetti tecnici dell'avvio del progetto. Questo lavoro dovrebbe combinare gli sforzi di molti siti di viaggi a contenuto libero, alcuni dei quali (p.e., Wikivoyage) vogliono migrare completamente i loro contenuti e comunità nel nuovo progetto di guida turistica.<br /> <br /> '''Per favore, leggere con cura [[Travel Guide]] e [[Talk:Travel Guide]] per avere un backgroud su questa proposta.'''<br /> <br /> | ja = 提案内容：ウィキメディア財団が'''[[Travel Guide]]'''（旅行ガイド）プロジェクトを承認し、当該プロジェクトを立ち上げるのに必要な技術的支援に労力を割り当てるよう、私たちウィキメディアコミュニティが要請すること。新しいプロジェクトには、数あるフリーナレッジ旅行ガイドサイトの取り組みが集約され、Wikivoyage など一部のサイトのコンテンツとコミュニティが完全に移管される。<br /> <br /> '''この提案の背景は [[Travel Guide]] と [[Talk:Travel Guide]] に詳しく書かれていますので、必ずご確認ください。'''<br /> <br /> | nl = Voorstel: Wij, de Wikimedia gemeenschap, vragen de WMF om een '''[[Travel Guide|reisgidsenproject]]''' goed te keuren en de noodzakelijke middelen toe te wijzen om de technische aspecten van het nieuwe project te ondersteunen. Met dit project worden de krachten van verschillende open-content-reisgidsen gebundeld, en zullen sommige gidsen (zoals Wikivoyage) met hun volledige inhoud en gemeenschap migreren naar het nieuwe project.<br /> <br /> '''Lees [[Travel Guide]] en [[Talk:Travel Guide]] voor meer achtergrondinformatie over dit voorstel.'''<br /> <br /> | ru = Предложение: Мы, сообщество Викимедиа, просим Фонд Викимедиа утвердить проект '''[[Travel Guide]]''' (Путеводитель) и выделить ресурсы для поддержки любых технических аспектов, связанных с его созданием. Эта работа объединит усилия, которые сейчас распылены по множеству сайтов со свободными знаниями в области путешествий, некоторые из которых (например, Wikivoyage) хотят полностью перейти со своими материалами и сообществом в новый проект путеводителя.<br /> <br /> '''Пожалуйста, прочтите [[Travel Guide]] и [[Talk:Travel Guide]], чтобы более полно понять контекст этого предложения.'''<br /> <br /> | vi = Đề xuất: Chúng ta, tức cộng đồng Wikimedia, yêu cầu WMF phê chuẩn một dự án '''[[Travel Guide]]''' và cung cấp tài nguyên để hỗ trợ về khía cạnh kỹ thuật để khởi động dự án mới. Dự án này sẽ bao gồm đóng góp từ các trang kiến thức du lịch mở (như Wikivoyage) muốn sáp nhập nội dung và cộng đồng của họ cho dự án mới.<br /> <br /> '''Xin hãy đọc trang [[Travel Guide]] và [[Talk:Travel Guide]] để biết các thông tin chi tiết về đề xuất này.'''<br /> <br /> | zh = 提议：作为维基百科社群，我们建议WMF通过'''[[Travel Guide]]（旅游指南）'''这一计划。与此同时定位、估计下所需的资源，从技术层面上做好开始新计划的准备。我们可以整合许多自由知识旅行网站的资源，而这些网站中的一些（比如Wikivoyage）希望完全把它们的内容和社群迁移到这个新的旅游指南项目中。<br /> <br /> '''请额外阅读完[[Travel Guide]]和[[Talk:Travel Guide]]（英文）这两项，以便获得更多关于这一提案的背景知识。'''<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Votes ==<br /> ''Initial votes and comments moved from [[Talk:Travel Guide]]''. (Initial votes yet to be moved from [[Travel Guide/supporters]])<br /> <br /> ===Support===<br /> # '''Support''': Why not? Isn't a travel guide in book form a similar form to books, we are using for creating our articles for example in the german topic biology. So I cannot imagine not taking those travel guides in book form an bringing it to a similar form like wikipedia articles. Of course we can also add information not meantioned in those books, and that's what this platform will be. But on the other hand we do not want to advertise specific hotels and other accomodations. So It should be a short description about the place. Currency, language, mabe some sentences and words, dangers, sights, maps, climate, history, just the most important information needed for traveling there. But there should be no prices at all. --[[User:Marco74|Marco74]] ([[User talk:Marco74|talk]]) 23:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' and Suggestion as we merge WikiTravel and WikiVoyage, we could also make use of google maps when we develop contents for different travel destinations. Apart from images or videos ... the google3d maps features will greatly improve the user virtual travel experience. [[User:Guitaristrock|Guitaristrock]] ([[User talk:Guitaristrock|talk]]) 14:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> ##I have to object to the suggestion of using Google maps. Geo-tagging is one thing and using that data on Google maps is the reader's choice, but if an online map is to be used, I think OpenStreetMap makes more sense because of its (CC BY-SA) licence. I personally '''support''' this idea in part because I see it as having a great deal of potential for reinforcing existing WM activities, such as ''WikiProject Geographical coordinates'', ''Wiki Loves Monuments'' and others. There is also the benefit of consolidating more ''wikipower'' under one roof. This could certainly make the next Wikimania more interesting. (I am user U5K0 on english wikipedia) --[[Special:Contributions/84.41.86.38|84.41.86.38]] 20:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' A good sister project that a lot of Wikipedia articles shold be able to link to. Wikipedia editors who add content more suitable for a travel guide than an encyclopedia won't need to be directed towards a non-Wikimedia wiki (Wikitravel) anymore. Images from Wikimedia Commons should make it look attractive. I am curious about whether it would be expected to have a NPOV and if more informal language than is permitted on Wikipedia would be allowed.--[[User:Simon Peter Hughes|Simon Peter Hughes]] ([[User talk:Simon Peter Hughes|talk]]) 09:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' A very useful project would be! A wonderful idea!--[[User:Илья Яковлев|Илья Яковлев]] ([[User talk:Илья Яковлев|talk]]) 07:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' It must be a great program for people who love travelling!--<b>Jack No1</b> ([[w:zh:user:Jack_No1|中文]]/[[w:en:user:Jack_No1|English]]) ([[user talk:Jack_No1|talk]]) 07:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' This will be a great successful and useful wiki. Travelling is one of the best methods of learning. If supported by a Travel Guide, the trip will be really great. Though there are many existing travel guide web portals, one like wiki is necessary for a relaible and expanded information. I hope it will be successful like wikipedia. There are many encyclopedias online, but there is no match for wikipedia. It can help in learning about various specialities of different locations and chosing the correct destination that suits the user. All that is needed is support from the people and active contributors. At the same time we should ensure that it doesn't become an advertisement site. Let us do this. --[[User:Jayabharat|Jayabharat]] ([[User talk:Jayabharat|talk]]) 04:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' This proposal will have benefits for the WM movement through expanding our community. As travel is educational in nature and thus a travel guide an education resource this is in line with our mission to: " empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content" --[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 02:16, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Humans are natural explorers. We read and contribute to WM in order to explore new ideas and learn about new people, artefacts and places. But sometimes reading is not enough and the only way to truly understand a subject is to experience it first-hand. [[:en:Great Barrier Reef]] is a good article, but what will it cost me to see this wonder for myself, how do I get there, where do I stay, who can I trust to take me on a diving tour that will not damage the reef? Those are questions that an encyclopaedia can never answer, but a travel guide can. --[[User:NJR ZA|NJR ZA]] ([[User talk:NJR ZA|talk]]) 05:20, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' WM is a natural home for a wiki-based travel guide, and the Internet community is not well-served by having such an educational resource hosted in less-friendly hands. -[[User:J1729|J1729]] ([[User talk:J1729|talk]]) 10:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' A travel guide wiki certainly fits into the Wikimedia Foundation's mission of making educational content available worldwide and for free. WMF gets an existing and mature wiki with a well-developed culture that is compatible with Wikimedia's own. The Wikitravel and Wikivoyage communities get the benefit of an established host, and the sum of the world's knowledge is improved in the process [[User:Ravikiran r|Ravikiran r]] ([[User talk:Ravikiran r|talk]]) 17:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''', provided that the new project be founded in a way that makes it possible for the Wikivoyage community to join in a merger of equals. By and large, I think Wikimedia projects could gain a great deal by including a travel guide. As "Wikitravel" already is a registered name, I suggest to call the new project '''"Wikimedia Voyage"''', or '''"Wikivoyage"''', if the Wikivoyage community agrees.--[[User:Aschmidt|Aschmidt]] ([[User talk:Aschmidt|talk]]) 21:40, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: Yes would be happy with Wikivoyage and definitely see the two groups joining as equals.--[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: I don't think we are discussing naming yet, but I would be quite happy is we simply call it ''Wikimedia Travel'' with travel.wikimedia.org as url. --[[User:NJR ZA|NJR ZA]] ([[User talk:NJR ZA|talk]]) 16:20, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. As has been pointed out by others, a travel guide is complementary to the educational mission of WMF and fills a niche that falls outside of the encyclopedic goals of Wikipedia. -- [[User:Wrh2|Wrh2]] ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) 02:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I really need dumps of WT, and the current host of WT [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Database_dump does not want] to release dumps. [[User:Nicolas1981|Nicolas1981]] ([[User talk:Nicolas1981|talk]]) 05:24, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. No doubt, that travelling is education. Why so many people watch documentations about foreign cultures? And I strongly agree [[User:Wrh2|Wrh2]]. There is a niche in the WP content. We often see discussions about content that should be removed from WP and fits better to a Travel Guide. Can not estimate how many usefull information are shredded already. The WT/WV contributors are keen on providing geo referenced information as well. This can be an important input for the Wikipedia and Wikidata. I would love to se '''Wikivoyage''' as the project's name. -- [[User:DerFussi|DerFussi]] ([[User talk:DerFussi|talk]]) 06:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' As mentionned above, I believe a travel wiki brings a new perspective to Wikimedia's educational purpose and that it definitely falls under our mission of making knowledge accessible. [[User:Notafish|notafish]] [[User talk:Notafish|}&lt;&#39;;&gt;]] 08:14, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I think [[User:Ravikiran r]] set out the reasons perfectly for why this is a good idea. [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] ([[User talk:Mike Peel|talk]]) 08:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' As mentioned above, travel information is practical knowledge and education. This is also the reason why the Wikivoyage association is supported by the German tax authorities. --[[User:RolandUnger|RolandUnger]] ([[User talk:RolandUnger|talk]]) 09:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # I '''support''' the proposal based on the arguments I gave on the wikimedia-l mailing list. Travelling is one of the ways, if not the most important ways, of acquiring and dissemination of free knowledge, and in this perspective a travel guide fits well into our Mission. I had specific objections which may be relevant for the realization (for instance, I do not believe in the universal travel guide which is equally useful for everyone, in real life one always have different types of the guides which target specific audiences), but I do not think we should discuss these objections at this stage.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 09:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I see a fit in our missin and a huge benefit for all involved parties here. I already look forward having Collection Extension available on the new wiki-based travel guide... --[[de:User:80686|Manuel Schneider]]<sup>[[de:User Talk:80686|(bla)]]&nbsp;[[de:User:80686/Bewertung|(+/-)]]</sup> 11:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Clearly within the scope of the Wikimedia movement, and the benefits for all the involved would be many: the project would get a world-leading hosting platform and a continuously up-to-date mediawiki installation; two communities with the same goal could be re-joined to work together, making the whole endeavor more efficient and productive; the community could grow with a fresh influx of new editors; Localization support would be greatly improved, leading to a truly global wiki travel guide project; not to mention the other benefits listed at [[Wiki Travel Guide#Benefits]] --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 14:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. A major lump of knowledge that is not covered by any other Wikimedia project at present, and an extremely useful one at that. [[User:Spinningspark|<font style="background:#FFF090;color:#00C000">'''Sp<font style="background:#FFF0A0;color:#80C000">in<font style="color:#C08000">ni</font></font><font style="color:#C00000">ng</font></font><font style="color:#2820F0">Spark'''</font>]] 16:50, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' The communities of Wikipedia and Wikitravel have strong links for a long time. [[User:Rein N.|Rein N.]] ([[User talk:Rein N.|talk]]) 21:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. The project is in scope for Wikimedia and seems to have good potential, especially with the freely-licensed material that is already available. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 07:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. I would also support this including guidebook-type information for locals and citizens of communities, as well as for travellers. Let us assimilate the [[w:city wiki|city wikis]]!--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 19:35, 20 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: Yes! Great idea. NYCwiki has been mentioned at [[Wiki Travel Guide#Educational in nature]], but making this more explicit and generic, inviting all city wikis to join, would be great. --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 09:24, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Absolutely, this seems like it would be beneficial to everyone. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<font color="green">"?!"</font>]] 20:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Contributors, readers, and re-users of Wikitravel (which of course includes many Wikimedians) will benefit from accelerated feature development, bug fixes, and database dumps; Wikimedia will benefit from an enlarged contributor base and readership; and there are tons of potential synergies to exploit (collaboration on map-making is a great example—check out all the [http://wikitravel.org/shared/Category:Maps original maps] being made at Wikitravel!). As Wikitravel and Wikivoyage are established, mature wiki communities, this project should be a guaranteed success in terms of organization, content, and contributor base. And for lovers of warm fuzzies, moving forward with this proposal would offer us the happy possibility to reunite our splintered communities, and forge a new, stronger one in the process. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 21:25, 20 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' With a travel and aviation background, it has always miffed me why WMF projects didn't tackle this area long before. Well-travelled people are generally well-informed people, and this goes to the very basis of what WMF projects are about -- encouraging people to be better informed. So absolutely support. [[User:Russavia|Russavia]] ([[User talk:Russavia|talk]]) 22:33, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I think this is the best solution for all three communities concerned. -- [[User:MarkJaroski|MarkJaroski]] ([[User talk:MarkJaroski|talk]]) 04:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' As others have said, travelling and travel information is educational, and there are existing communities and information to get this off the ground and make it a success. - [[User:Shaundd|Shaundd]] ([[User talk:Shaundd|talk]]) 04:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. The existing WT/WV content is a great educational resource not only on travelling, but also about culture, history and geography. - [[User:Cardboardbird|Cardboardbird]] ([[User talk:Cardboardbird|talk]]) 14:03, 23 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' If the existing WT/WV communities like the idea of joining us, we should welcome them! --[[User:Theredmonkey|trm]]<sup>[[:de:Benutzer:Theredmonkey|ger]]</sup> 19:20, 23 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Travel is definitely educational in nature, and this will be a great complement to our existing geography coverage. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 03:37, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Wikitravel fits into the Wikimedia Foundation's mission: educational content available worldwide and for free. And whoever visit other countries before know that traveling is knowledge! [[User:Benoit Rochon|Benoit Rochon]] ([[User talk:Benoit Rochon|talk]]) 05:00, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Mutually beneficial, especially considering the spinoff effects to other Wikimedia projects. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] ([[User talk:MER-C|talk]]) 11:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. This proposal would greatly enhance the Wikimedia family. [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|talk]]) 12:42, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Would be great if this could help to integrate WT/WV and bring them back together; the project fits well with our other projects. &mdash;[[User:Nightstallion|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Nightstallion</span>]] [[User talk:Nightstallion|''(?)'']] 12:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' A welcome member of the family. Main concern is the reliability of the info, knowing how dodgy a site as tripadvisor is. [[User:Night of the Big Wind|Night of the Big Wind]] ([[User talk:Night of the Big Wind|talk]]) 17:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I'd always hoped this day would come, and am glad to see it might arrive soon. [[User:PhnomPencil|PhnomPencil]] ([[User talk:PhnomPencil|talk]]) 20:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' for many of the above reasons. It will enhance the diversity of "products" and opportunities in the WM family of communities. [[User:Imzadi1979|Imzadi1979]] ([[User talk:Imzadi1979|talk]]) 20:44, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Hopefully the new travel wiki community will grow fast as soon as all Wikimedia sister projects will be interconnected for everyone's benefit. [[User:Fogg|Fogg]] ([[User talk:Fogg|talk]]) 00:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. As a longtime bureaucrat/admin on Wikitravel who has pretty much given up editing due to the current owners' neglect of the site and a Wikipedia user of nearly 10 years' standing, I fully welcome this long-overdue move. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 11:50, 25 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #*Wikitravel is very glad to have you back, now that the 1.17 site upgrade is complete and new features are being added. If you have any concerns about the site, please feel free to contact an active admin -- I'm sure they will tell you how well the site is running!--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 20:45, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. I think it's a useful complement of existing wm projects. --[[User:ArséniureDeGallium|ArséniureDeGallium]] ([[User talk:ArséniureDeGallium|talk]]) 16:06, 25 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # I '''Support''' the proposal, first and foremost as an avenue to save Wikitravel, which has been running on fumes for quite some since the brand owners lack even the most basic understanding of how the collaborative web works, and besides doesn't seem to be all that interrested since the expected revenue streams have not materialized - This has cost the project some its of most valued editors and adminitrators. Coming under the Wikimedia umbrella is the only avenue I see where we can escape the current mismanagement with meaningful editor retention, and hence save thousands of hours of work voulenteers have contributed to the project in the exact same spirit as most of us to do other wikimedia projects. Secondly two quotes from these discutions clearly shows why a travel wiki has a place under the said umbrella; "Travel is an avenue of education, possibly a more important one than an encyclopedia" and "Frankly, every single time I've read a travel guide.... I've learned something". Besides as administrator on wikitravel I have read more wikipedia city articles than most, and there clearly is a need for an alterntive place to put destination related content than in the current encyclopedic form of those articles. [[en:User:Sertmann|Stefan Ertmann]] ([[en:User talk:Sertmann|talk]]) 21:02, 25 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. A wonderful complement to the existing Wikimedia projects. Fits well and there is certainly no good reason not to. Serves the Wikimedia Foundations Goal and Vision. Plus it's been far too long since a new project has been started :-) [[User:Dovi|Dovi]] ([[User talk:Dovi|talk]]) 10:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. I don't find the arguments about NPOV that convincing and they smack heavily of Wikipedianism (at Wikinews and Wiktionary and other projects, eager Wikipedians have to be reminded that they are no longer at Wikipedia!). I'm a big fan of inter-wiki collaboration (when it works), and building out a travel guide is something where being tied in with the other wikis is useful. Think of it as tourism-related portals onto the existing wealth of Wikimedia content. Take a city like London or Paris and think: we've got interesting Wikipedia articles about that city, we've got a whole wealth of photos, we've got work being done by the GLAM partners, we've got Wikinews, we can link it into Wiktionary for local dialects... a non-commercial port/fork/recasting of Wikitravel that melds more freely into the other WMF projects could be extremely useful. The other way to deal with the NPOV concerns is like this: think of the articles as a series of if-then statements, and just apply something like Wikipedia's UNDUE weight. "If you are a business traveler, then x", "if you are an impoverished student, then y", "if you love art, go to museums a, b and c" etc. That doesn't eliminate the NPOV issues, but it certainly reduces them quite substantially. Then you develop community consensus on what are 'valid' if-then statements that the guide answers. Travel guides that exist on the market already cater for different types of people: there are budget or student travel guides, gap year travel guides, walking or cycling guides, guides for people who want to party, guides for people who love bookshops and culture, guides for gay/lesbian travellers... you name it, there's a different frame you can put on the concept. —[[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] ([[User talk:Tom Morris|talk]]) 22:29, 27 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #* Wikiravel uses a price index for hotels, restaurants etc. How about Budget, midprice and luxery as index? --[[User:Rein N.|Rein N.]] ([[User talk:Rein N.|talk]]) 06:52, 1 May 2012 (UTC) <br /> # '''Support'''. I know very well from running my own Mediawiki projects that 1. a few people systematically maintaining many such projects requires much less work/overhead than many people managing many projects; 2. WMF's people are much more skilled and professional at it than a random webmaster, especially when it comes to scaling; 3. WMF projects naturally get more editors and more interwiki links than external wikis, because of global accounts, because editors trust them more, and because editors get a greater boost to their reputation for editing a WMF project than an external one. These are all very good things for Wikitravel. Will it "save" Wikitravel from falling into decay? That remains to be seen, but I think if they promote some good admins and get cooperation from devs on necessary settings changes, they can take any necessary measures to preserve the active content. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|talk]]) 23:27, 27 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''; this is an opportunity to reduce some of the duplication of effort (vis a vis images and maps, and technical improvements) on Wikitravel. How many times have I wished I could just link to a Commons file instead of downloading and uploading it? Technical support from the site's current owners is sparse at best, and they are learning MediaWiki as they go. Waiting for them to figure out how to operate a wiki is killing the community. [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]]) 01:19, 28 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #* Small note: including Commons files in any Mediawiki wiki is as simple as turning on [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/InstantCommons InstantCommons]. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] ([[User talk:Dcoetzee|talk]]) 20:32, 29 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #** Sadly, Wikitravel is currently running under MediaWiki: 1.11.2 (r24791), not MediaWiki 1.16 (r59428). Slow updating of Mediawiki is only one of our problems with our current host, IB --[[User:Rein N.|Rein N.]] ([[User talk:Rein N.|talk]]) 06:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> #** Yes, what Rein said. IB claims to be in the midst of an upgrade, but we'll all believe it when we see it. If we can get InstantCommons turned on, great. [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]]) 14:32, 2 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> #*** Next week we can try it out after the update to Mediawiki 1.17. [[User:Rein N.|Rein N.]] ([[User talk:Rein N.|talk]]) 15:26, 5 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> #**** The upgrade was completed and Commons is active and functional, as is the rest of the site!--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 20:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. As a WT contributor (:en and :ru), I feel that joining WM would be an excellent opportunity for invigorating the very idea of free travel guide. The detailed reasoning has been laid out earlier in this thread, so I simply add my voice and look forward to working on the new project! [[User:Atsirlin|Atsirlin]] ([[User talk:Atsirlin|talk]]) 15:21, 10 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. I'm one of two founders of Wikitravel, and I think the project would do well with the WMF. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] ([[User talk:Evan|talk]]) 12:20, 12 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Agree with most that has been said above :-) --[[User:Globe-trotter|Globe-trotter]] ([[User talk:Globe-trotter|talk]]) 23:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Very interested in the possibility of a Wiki Travel Guide among WMF projects. One question is what kind of technical support it really will get? Obviously, I think it would be much better than the current situation, but then sister projects like Wikisource sometimes get a bit neglected when it comes to tech support and especially feature requests. But then volunteers can get involved with the tech stuff and I think there are number of Wiki Travel techies and others who can help. [[User:Aude|Aude]] ([[User talk:Aude|talk]]) 16:35, 17 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. As a new contributor to the Wikitravel community, I can see how IB is tearing the place apart. Their tech support is abysmal, and it's causing the wiki to lose many editors/admins, which will result in the loss of viewers. This is a great opportunity to save the ailing Wikitravel content and community. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] 11:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> #* I hope you have a chance to test drive the new site, and view firsthand how quickly and comprehensively technical issues and feature requests are being responded to; in fact this has been the case for over a year, but now that the MW upgrade is complete I think you'll see a whole new site. Enjoy it.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 20:49, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> ##Yes, I have had a chance, and I have experience the usual slow loading speeds. I have also noticed nothing being done about the feature requests, plus the huge number of bug reports, especially the login/create account issue which really irritates me. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] ([[User talk:JamesA|talk]]) 10:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Author on german Wikipedia and german Wikivoyage. --[[User:Dirk Schmidt|Dirk Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Dirk Schmidt|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Sounds like a useful complement for the Wikimedia universum. [[User:Raymond|Raymond]] ([[User talk:Raymond|talk]]) 14:28, 11 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Author on german Wikitravel - The german Wikitravel has no aktiv Admins since January 2012 -- [http://wikitravel.org/de/Benutzer:Knut Knut] [[Special:Contributions/84.58.154.137|84.58.154.137]] 20:13, 12 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud Koot]] ([[User talk:Ruud Koot|talk]]) 00:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Let's create a Wiki Travel Guide that's really good. [[User:Grauesel|Grauesel]] ([[User talk:Grauesel|talk]]) 08:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC) (WP:de and WV editor)<br /> # '''Support''' A good complement to the existing Wikimedia projects. --[[User:Wvk|Wvk]] ([[User talk:Wvk|talk]]) 20:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' (lately rather inactive) admin on WV and member of Wikivoyage e.V. - Having been at WV almost since the beginning and being aware of the situation at WT, I think becoming part of the WMF would be beneficial to all involved parties. It would re-unite WV and WT, allow to complement each other as far as language versions are concerned and allow a more direct and efficient collaboration with WMF projects. This of course just in addition to all other main advantages already mentioned. --[[User:Mulleflupp|Mulleflupp]] ([[User talk:Mulleflupp|talk]]) 13:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Sounds like a fine complement to our projects. --[[User:Holder|Holder]] ([[User talk:Holder|talk]]) 18:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - a dream can come true. We hoped for years to be able to create a travel guide that is not only free but also part of the wikimedia movement. So why waiting any longer. Admin on Wikivoyage - we are ready. --[[User:Der Reisende|Der Reisende]] ([[User talk:Der Reisende|talk]]) 11:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - finally! I'm one of two founders of [http://hitchwiki.org/ Hitchwiki] and asked for a database dump of Wikitravel back in 2004 :) [[User:Guaka|Guaka]] ([[User talk:Guaka|talk]]) 21:01, 25 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''': Good to see this possibility coming to light. This is a chance to save wikitravel that struggles under the management of it's commercial owners. It makes sense for a wiki travel guide to exist under the Wikimedia umbrella. Having a wiki based travel guide would also be well within wikimedia's educational mandate. --[[User:Keithonearth|Keithonearth]] ([[User talk:Keithonearth|talk]]) 19:40, 30 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Admin on Wikitravel en:, pt:, and es:. I've been hoping for this for years. IB's neglect has caused Wikitravel's once vibrant communities to largely fall apart. It will be great to have a fresh start in a more supportive environment.[[User:Texugo|Texugo]] ([[User talk:Texugo|talk]]) 03:41, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I was a very active admin and supporter of the project, and left entirely due to the project falling into the hands of Internet Brands. Stuck it out for a good while, but it quite simply isn't going to ever flourish in its current setup. Let's change that. &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 03:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - Semi-regular user on Wikipedia and Wikitravel. Agree with everything above. [[User:Eco84|Eco84]] ([[User talk:Eco84|talk]]) 04:26, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support with a reservation''' - I am an administrator on Wikitravel and a longtime user and sometime editor on Wikipedia. I approve of the Wikipedia project, which I see as a revival of the medieval concept of collective authorship for the computer age, complete with marginalia (the talk pages), and I definitely see the advantages of Wikitravel being brought under the Wikimedia umbrella. However, I do not think making it NPOV would be useful to travelers. So let's please talk more about NPOV. Wikitravel does not have an NPOV policy, nor do I think one would be beneficial. Travel guides have to have some degree of appraisal built into them, in terms of which things are deemed as attractions (e.g.: the Raffles Hotel in Singapore gets a photo, whereas the Holiday Inn does not) and which restaurants and hotels are and are not listed. If Wikitravel is taken under the Wikipedia umbrella, would we have to use some circumlocutions - "if, then" statements as per Tom Morris' remarks - to get around an NPOV policy that would be imposed on Wikitravel? [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 04:49, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: See [[Talk:Travel_Guide#NPOV|#NPOV]] below: Wikimedia has made it clear that Wikitravel will be allowed to retain existing policies, including "the traveller comes first". [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 23:42, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: Thanks. Reservation withdrawn. '''Fully support'''. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 02:33, 3 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - Quite new contributor on Wikitravel. Would love to see the guide as part of WM. [[User:Jjtkk|Jjtk]] ([[User talk:Jjtkk|talk]]) 07:15, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Waiting for this for a long time. Admin on Wikitravel en:, [[User:Vidimian|Vidimian]] ([[User talk:Vidimian|talk]]) 20:56, 2 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. I have come very close to walking away from WT many times due to considerable frustrations with the functionality of the site. A considerable body of contribution time has been lost to server errors and similar frustrations. It is a great project in principal and offers a considerable asset to travellers. However we must be careful to ensure the outcome, (or the quest for it) does not break the project. The proposal may offer the opportunity to improve or enhance both the WP and the travel related project. Some discussion might be appropriate in regard to the different culture of consensus and conflict resolution apparent in the two separate domains. WT and WP have a quite different ''culture'' in that regard and I am sure other editors here who contribute to both projects will be familiar with the different outlooks and style in seeking 'consensus'.-- [[User:Felix505|Felix505]] ([[User talk:Felix505|talk]]) 07:59, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Formerly an active admin and contributor to Wikitravel en:. Basically, what cacahaute said above. [[User:Gorilla Jones|Gorilla Jones]] ([[User talk:Gorilla Jones|talk]]) 15:00, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Former admin on Swedish Wikitravel (http://wikitravel.org/sv/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Jonas_Ryberg) who dropped out when WT has handed over to Internet Brands, currently adding information regarding rail travel to English site. I fully support this move, it's long overdue. [[User:Jonas Ryberg|Jonas Ryberg]] ([[User talk:Jonas Ryberg|talk]]) 20:21, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''', It will be pleasant to work with upload times that don't allow me to make a cup of tea while I wait, or crash and lose my edits. Ok to be fair that can also happen on WP, but the difference in speed and frequency is very noticeable when uploading large files. Also I prefer to upload only once to Commons. Cheers! [[User:Pbsouthwood|Pbsouthwood]] ([[User talk:Pbsouthwood|talk]]) 15:15, 5 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: Using files that are available on Commons is already possible after the resent Mediawiki upgrade on Wikitravel, without the need of reupload. [[User:Rein N.|Rein N.]] ([[User talk:Rein N.|talk]]) 10:43, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #* Read and upload times are very good since the upgrade, actually.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 20:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''', <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">'''[[User:Emperyan|<span style="color:#00ccff;">Emperyan</span>]]-[[User_talk:Emperyan|<span style="color:#000;">message/<small>ileti</small></span>]]'''-[http://gel.io/Baia WMTR]</span> 13:00, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Amazing idea. [[User:W.D.|W.D.]] ([[User talk:W.D.|talk]]) 14:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Very good idea. I am in support if it should there enough potential contributors to such a wiki. '''<font color="#003366">[[User:LouriePieterse|Lourie]]</font><font color="#1A4F85">[[User talk:LouriePieterse|Pieterse]]</font>''' 15:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''- A great idea and useful project. I have no problems with this. '''[[User:Bzweebl|<font color="#D60047">B</font><font color="#F0A000">zw</font><font color="#00A300">ee</font><font color="#0A47FF">bl</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Bzweebl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bzweebl|contribs]]) 15:05, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. A Wonderful project to start.--[[User:Shijualex|Shijualex]] ([[User talk:Shijualex|talk]]) 17:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Complements existing Wikimedia projects, large potential to further mission&vision moreso than would occur if main forks outside Wikimedia. [[User:Mike Linksvayer|Mike Linksvayer]] ([[User talk:Mike Linksvayer|talk]]) 17:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Absolutely! --[[User:Iketsi|Iketsi]] ([[User talk:Iketsi|talk]]) 17:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Ja natuurlijk/selbstverständlich!, Oui biensur!, Sì va benissimo!, Yes of course! etc. <br/>Kind regards,&nbsp;[[User_talk:ZeaForUs|Klaas]]&nbsp;&zwnj;&nbsp;[[User:ZeaForUs|V]] 18:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' This seems like a great way to complement Wikipedia. [[User:Argos&#39;Dad|Argos&#39;Dad]] ([[User talk:Argos&#39;Dad|talk]]) 19:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''For.''' I've been lookin' for free travel guides for a while; this is pretty much it. [[Special:Contributions/68.173.113.106|68.173.113.106]] 21:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''', as proposed. [[User:Lankiveil|Craig Franklin]] ([[User talk:Lankiveil|talk]]) 00:17, 7 July 2012 (UTC).<br /> # '''Support''' - there are things existing projects say they're "not", and travel guides is one of them.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] ([[User talk:Jasper Deng|talk]]) 01:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - So long as Wikitravel is the project being absorbed - would not support a duplication. --[[Special:Contributions/108.80.181.47|108.80.181.47]] 15:29, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Fully support'''. [[User:Saint Johann|Saint Johann]] ([[:ru:User:Saint Johann|ru]]) 21:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - sounds like a project perfectly matching our designs. [[User:Pundit|Pundit]] ([[User talk:Pundit|talk]]) 21:45, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. <small style="font:bold 12px Courier New;display:inline;border:#009 1px dashed;padding:1px 6px 2px 7px;white-space:nowrap"><font color="#000">[[User talk:Mabdul|mabdul]]</font></small> 21:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''', with Philippines backing up. --[[User:Exec8|Exec8]] ([[User talk:Exec8|talk]]) 02:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Dede2008|Dede2008]] ([[User talk:Dede2008|talk]]) 05:44, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' This is definitely more than a travel guide on Wikibooks. :)--[[User:Nickanc|Nickanc]] ([[User talk:Nickanc|talk]]) 18:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I like using WT I think its a great site, but I have only ever edited there half heartedly because I hate the idea of a for profit organisation benefiting monetarily from something I'm giving for free to other readers, and from the reaction from the WT community commenting here that others feel th same.--[[User:KTo288|KTo288]] ([[User talk:KTo288|talk]]) 19:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' sounds good to me. --[[User:Claritas|Claritas]] ([[User talk:Claritas|talk]]) 19:45, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #This has long been the most obvious hole in the family of sister projects. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 22:02, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' A great positive step forward for everybody. -- [[User:Elelicht|Elelicht]] ([[User talk:Elelicht|talk]]) 23:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''', and I intend to be an active member of the project.-[[User:Gadfium|Gadfium]] ([[User talk:Gadfium|talk]]) 23:41, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' as it falls within the scope of our movement -free [travel] knowledge for everyone in their ''own'' language. --[[User:Jewbask|Jewbask]] ([[User talk:Jewbask|talk]]) 02:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' This would be a great contribution to the Wikimedia community, only strengthening it as a whole. -- [[User:Forty Seven Nine|Forty Seven Nine]] ([[User talk:Forty Seven Nine|talk]]) 01:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - our two communities evoluated until now quite independantly but by sharing the same vision, so it’s great to fuse. By seeing some comment about city wikis, I’m not sure it would be desirable for all city wikis (I’m thinking for instance to Wiki-Brest or Wiki-Rennes who are acting as a ''local'' website for local history). ~ [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] [[User talk:Seb35|<small>[^_^]</small>]] 07:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. A quick look around on Wikitravel shows that its community morale is low, and spam is rife. I think that a Wiki Travel Guide project on WMF will be a great addition to our family of projects, and what's more, it will hopefully bring with it not just one, but ''two'' existing communities of editors. Much better than starting from scratch! [[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] ([[User talk:This, that and the other|talk]]) 07:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''', per many of the arguments above. WT/WV and its community have achieved good things, and supporting them to do more is well within the scope of our mission and a worthwhile use of our resources. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|talk]]) 10:50, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Wikitravel is a great resource, and if the community behind it thinks this is a good move, I can't see any reason not to do it. -[[Special:Contributions/98.209.136.52|98.209.136.52]] 12:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - we need a new project after about 7 years. This will be a valuable addition. WikiTravel has lots of valuable content.--[[User:Kozuch|Kozuch]] ([[User talk:Kozuch|talk]]) 15:38, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I think rejoining of wikitravel and wikivoyage and geting it truely free is a good case.--[[User:Saehrimnir|Saehrimnir]] ([[User talk:Saehrimnir|talk]]) 15:47, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Strong Support'''. Suspending the issue of technical limitations, this would be an amazing addition to the WMF family. The travel resources currently available on the Internet are highly commercialized, so a freely licensed travel wiki with a NPOV policy would be a great asset to Wikimedians and society in general. As an expert in travel & tourism, I would personally be interested in contributing to such a project (currently I'm turned off by the commercial nature and administrative neglect of WikiTravel). As for naming, my !vote goes to '''WikiVoyage''', since the word "voyage" lends itself to multilingualism better than "travel." [[User:Jmajeremy|Jmajeremy]] ([[User talk:Jmajeremy|talk]]) 19:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Will be a great addition to the WMF projects. [[User:David1217|David1217]] ([[User talk:David1217|talk]]) 15:19, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''', as a non-commercial, global travel guide is highly useful. Hope to see parallel versions in ''all'' the languages of other Wikimedia projects. [[User:Amahoney|A. Mahoney]] ([[User talk:Amahoney|talk]]) 19:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''', and also particularly endorse taking a more generalized "[[#Location guide?|location guide]]" approach.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 20:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - this will definitely benefit a lot of people who don't know where to go for travel tips. I'm just a tad bit worried about how editors will be neutral enough on travel guides, though. The only thing not to be neutral about are travel advisories, but we'd seriously need some NPOV users. --[[User:Jeffwang|Jeffwang]] ([[User talk:Jeffwang|talk]]) 20:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - as a way to reunite Wikitravel and Wikivoyage under the WMF, in order to create a repository for travel information.[[User:Yutsi|Yutsi]] ([[User talk:Yutsi|talk]]) 01:14, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - For myself, i will be more than happy to contribute to a travel project on WWF and write about place i've visited. I will never do that on web site like WT, for the obvious commercial reason. -- [[User:ChristianT|ChristianT]] ([[User talk:ChristianT|talk]]) 15:51, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' This would be great. I am a wikitravel admin and have been contributing since 2004 [[User:Elgaard|Elgaard]] ([[User talk:Elgaard|talk]]) 20:46, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''—this just makes sense to me. [[User:Imzadi1979|Imzadi1979]] ([[User talk:Imzadi1979|talk]]) 06:57, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' of course [[User:Przykuta|Przykuta]] ([[User talk:Przykuta|talk]]) 12:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''support''' [[User:MichChemGSI|MichChemGSI]] ([[User talk:MichChemGSI|talk]]) 14:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Seems a good idea. '''[[Special:Emailuser/Vibhijain|<sup><span style="color:dark red"><small>Email</small></span></sup>]] [[User:Vibhijain|<span style="color:#A50B5E">Vaibhav</span>]] [[User talk:Vibhijain|<sup><span style="color:red"><small>Talk</small></span></sup>]]''' 16:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Win-win outcome. Don't worry about editorial viewpoint after the merger: each Wikimedia project is allowed their own set of content policies anyway. [[User:Deryck Chan|Der]][[User talk:Deryck Chan|yck C.]] 16:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC) ({{ec}} This is so popular that I got an EC while voting.)<br /> # '''Support'''. Seems like a very interesting project, and Wikimedia Commons could benefit from the content of the Wikivoyage media repository (and possibly WikiTravel Shared). [[User:InverseHypercube|InverseHypercube]] ([[User talk:InverseHypercube|talk]]) 16:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # It has only to be free content! Who says, free content must be follow the NPOV? Wikitravel is not Wikipedia. [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] ([[User talk:Marcus Cyron|talk]]) 00:59, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. Win/win/win (for Wikimedia/Wikitravel/Wikivoyage). This should help resolve an already existing fork, and fill a major gap in the Wikimedia stable. Without meaning to cast aspersions on the existing content, I think the most important thing Wikimedia stands to gain here is the communities of editors who have decided (and may yet decide) to move over, and their years of experience building such content. --[[User:Avenue|Avenue]] ([[User talk:Avenue|talk]]) 05:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. A WMF sponsored travel site will be a useful addition. At Wikipedia, it is impossible to recommend hotels, restaurants, places to see etc. in a tourist article, without risking a violation of NPOV, NOR, (insert a 3 or 4 letter policy here), etc. [[User:EngineerFromVega|EngineerFromVega]] ([[User talk:EngineerFromVega|talk]]) 07:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. Travel is a domain where good information is really useful, even if when we start out it is piecemeal. I'm really interested to see if we can achieve a broad perspective on what it means to visit a place. For example, in Baltimore, I encourage tourists to go anywhere but the tourist district, since they pay their employees badly and a lot of the money doesn't filter back into the city. This is the kind of information I'd hope we could include. Some POV might be inevitable and we need to be prepared to handle that. [[User:Groupuscule|Groupuscule]] ([[User talk:Groupuscule|talk]]) 12:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #*Have you checked out [[:Wikitravel:Baltimore#Districts]]? I've been doing a ton of work on that lately, but am a little burnt out. We could use help especially with the North and Southeast articles for information on Hampden, the Johns Hopkins area, and Greektown in the Southeast. Check the other adjacent district article maps for an idea of what the boundaries are. This is all if you're interested, of course ;) The site does seem to be down right now, though—sigh... --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 14:15, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. A travel project fits well into the WMF mission. --[[User:Denny|denny]] ([[User talk:Denny|talk]]) 14:18, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. I'm a normal editor on Wikitravel (not an administrator). Used to be more active but lost interest due to constant technical problems as well as too far-going commercialisation plans. I always loved the idea of an open, free travel guide and Wikimedia seems like the perfect environment. I've always considered traveling one of the most educational activities possible. As a traveler, I keep switching between Wikipedia and Wikitravel, in order to have both the practical (tourist) information ánd the deeper knowledge and backgrounds on places and sights. It will be great to have them closer together and I'm sure it will encourage people to learn even more about the places they visit. [[User:Justme2|Justme2]] ([[User talk:Justme2|talk]]) 14:21, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. Das fehlende Puzzleteil. [[User:Liesel|Liesel]] ([[User talk:Liesel|talk]]) 14:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. Willkommen in der Familie. ;) [[User:MichaelSchoenitzer|MichaelSchoenitzer]] ([[User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer|talk]]) 14:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I'm really looking forward to become a contributer to the Wikimedia Travel Guide. --[[User:David Ludwig|David Ludwig]] ([[User talk:David Ludwig|talk]]) 15:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:Chaddy|Chaddy]] ([[User talk:Chaddy|talk]]) 17:19, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Suport''' Another kind of knowledge collected in a collobrative process. Perfectly fits the Wikimedia Movement. [[User:Sebastian Wallroth|Sebastian Wallroth]] ([[User talk:Sebastian Wallroth|talk]]) 18:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Suport''' --[[User:Michail|Michail]] ([[User talk:Michail|talk]]) 18:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - don't see any reason to oppose if those communities are sure about their favourite future -- [[User:Achim Raschka|Achim Raschka]] ([[User talk:Achim Raschka|talk]]) 18:40, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Wvk|Wvk]] ([[User talk:Wvk|talk]]) 19:27, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:El Grafo|El Grafo]] ([[User talk:El Grafo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Jan Luca|Jan Luca]] ([[User talk:Jan Luca|talk]]) 19:43, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Joergens.mi|Joergens.mi]] ([[User talk:Joergens.mi|talk]]) 22:19, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # Strong '''support''' --[[User:Morten Haan|Morten Haan]] ([[User talk:Morten Haan|talk]]) 22:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Mauerquadrant|Mauerquadrant]] ([[User talk:Mauerquadrant|talk]]) 00:41, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Prolineserver|Prolineserver]] ([[User talk:Prolineserver|talk]]) 01:23, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Peter.C|Peter.C]] ([[User talk:Peter.C|talk]]) 02:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' - It will be interesting to see how we can maintain a neutral POV on this project, but it's worth trying at least :-) [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 04:07, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:Yes agree there are a number of challenging including this one ahead of us. However if we have a large community of people using common sense and consensus I am sure that it can be overcome. Wikipedia too only works in practice and not theory.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 10:58, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::Yeah, and I'll also do whatever I can to help. As someone who does travel often, this project interests me and I'll gladly contribute to it. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 19:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' --[[User:Ayacop|Ayacop]] ([[User talk:Ayacop|talk]]) 06:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' -- [[User:Balou46|Balou46]] ([[User talk:Balou46|talk]]) 09:47, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' --[[User:Timmaexx|Timmaexx]] ([[User talk:Timmaexx|talk]]) 10:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' --[[User:Church of emacs|Tobias]] <small>[[User talk:Church of emacs|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Church of emacs|contrib]]</small> 12:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' The project will fill an information gap that we currently can't address on other project. Yes, there are issues but they're not impossible to overcome. --[[User:Dimi z|Dimi z]] ([[User talk:Dimi z|talk]]) 15:43, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. It would be a great idea and helpful in may ways. It will increase the mobile users of the Wikipedia as well. Waiting for the approval, and will contribute the to the Bengali version. Cheers. [[User:Nasir8891|Nasir Khan Saikat]] ([[User talk:Nasir8891|talk]]) 16:53, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. Overlaps a bit with Wikipedia and is too big for Wikibooks. Nice pictures are also good for Wikimedia Commons. The project will get more public attention. --[[User:Headbreak|Headbreak]] ([[User talk:Headbreak|talk]]) 18:15, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. as Wikivoyager. --[[User:J. Patrick Fischer|J. Patrick Fischer]] ([[User talk:J. Patrick Fischer|talk]]) 19:08, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' --[[User:Patkenel|Patkenel]] ([[User talk:Patkenel|talk]]) 23:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. There are people who are enthusiastic about joining and sharing their content with us - we would be quite stupid to turn them and their content down.--[[User:Poupou l&#39;quourouce|Poupou l&#39;quourouce]] ([[User talk:Poupou l&#39;quourouce|talk]]) 00:32, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. How often do we have to revert in Wikipedia telling the contributor "WP is not a travel guide!" Now we know where to send this contributor to the benefit of both sides. Wikitravel won't be the first NPOV project. Wikiversity, or Wikibooks aren't either. I would even like to see differnt POVs presented in Wikitravel, because not all travelers are alike or have the same preferences. --[[User:Wuselig|Wuselig]] ([[User talk:Wuselig|talk]]) 01:35, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:Exactly and one of the proposals is the use of Wikidata to allow travelers to sort listing based on what kind of traveler they are.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 12:07, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. you're welcome. --[[User:NatiSythen|NatiSythen]] ([[User talk:NatiSythen|talk]]) 04:39, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. --[[User:Don-kun|Don-kun]] ([[User talk:Don-kun|talk]]) 09:01, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. Good idea. -- [[User:Alan ffm|Alan ffm]] ([[User talk:Alan ffm|talk]]) 09:49, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:Andim|Andim]] ([[User talk:Andim|talk]]) 10:56, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:Krokofant|Krokofant]]<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Stillhart|Stillhart]] ([[User talk:Stillhart|talk]]) 14:08, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Steschke|ST]] [[:de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Steschke|○]] 15:36, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Digr|Digr]] ([[User talk:Digr|talk]]) 18:00, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' -- [[User:Common Good|Common Good]] ([[User talk:Common Good|talk]]) 18:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Weak support''' People have been comparing [[wikitravel:|Wikitravel]] with Wikipedia, but I think that this is wrong: Wikitravel should be compared with Wikibooks instead. In Wikitravel, you get instructions on what to do as a tourist at a specific location. In Wikibooks, you get, for example, instructions on how to use a specific product. I have compared a Wikitravel page ([[wikitravel:Stockholm]]) with a Wikibooks page ([[b:A Beginner's Guide to MS Windows Optimization]]) and both seem to contain the same level of [[w:WP:OR]] and [[w:WP:NPOV]]. I guess that this is the way you would normally write an instruction manual: you have to violate some ''Wikipedia'' policies. However, Wikipedia policies are designed for Wikipedia, and I assume that it is fine to violate them on other projects. Thus, Wikitravel seems to fit the Wikimedia concept of educational websites. I am concerned about the performance of Internet Brands' server: I often notice that it is extremely slow when I try to access Wikitravel. I rarely make any edits there, but when I have tried doing so, I have sometimes noticed that I am suddenly logged out without notice and that I am suddenly editing as an IP. Then I go to [[wikitravel:Special:UserLogin]] and try to log in only to notice that I am already logged in, so I click on "Show preview" in the edit window. Oops, logged out again! Not a big issue for me, but Wikitravel admins might not be happy if lots of users accidentally end up using IP sockpuppets due to server errors. I feel that something has to be done, but I am also afraid that the community might split so that some users remain at the old site whereas other users move to Wikimedia. --[[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 21:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #''Conditional Support'' -- I think it may be true that we will get more editors, and it is definitely true we will get more content and make travel information on the Internet not suck. I am concerned that the Wikimedia Foundation appears to have ignored their little projects such as Wikibooks, Wikiversity, Wikisource. Wikiquote, Wikispecies. This project will probably in short order joint them. If they are to be brought into the fold, I propose they be added to the goals for 2015 for the foundation, that they all have their own individual plans for development and growth for the future, and that funding and technical resources be allotted to them for their further development, which will inevitably bleed over into Wikipedia improvements.[[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] ([[User talk:Judgesurreal777|talk]]) 14:18, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:At last check 32 Wikitravel admins and a whole lot of Wikitravel users have committed to moving over, so there will most definitely be new editors joining. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 03:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' -- [[User:Avantenor|Avantenor]] ([[User talk:Avantenor|talk]]) 23:43, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. I'm a long term contibutor to Wikitravel. I strongly agree with what [[User:Wuselig|Wuselig]] said. --[[User:Inas66|Inas66]] ([[User talk:Inas66|talk]]) 00:22, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' -- [[User:Hubertl|Hubertl]] ([[User talk:Hubertl|talk]]) 05:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects|OTRS='''Support'''|[[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px|Support]] '''Support'''}} --[[User:Berthold Werner|Berthold Werner]] ([[User talk:Berthold Werner|talk]]) 09:31, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:Hinkelstein|Hinkelstein]] ([[User talk:Hinkelstein|talk]]) 11:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Enst38|Enst38]] ([[User talk:Enst38|talk]]) 12:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' There are serious costs to this but the benefits far outweigh them. I am particularly persuaded by the opportunity to attract new users from existing travel projects. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="cursor:help"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span></span>]] 14:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' This could be a great addition to the WMF projects --[[User:Michael Sch.|Michael Sch.]] ([[User talk:Michael Sch.|talk]]) 14:54, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''': This projet will be a great addition for Wikipedia, because many aspects of travel guide are misplaced in Wikipedia and would violate the WP:NOT rule. [[User:Wind|Wind]] ([[User talk:Wind|talk]]) 15:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''': I'm convinced by the proposal analysis of the educative value of the project. The set of rules and the licensing policies are correct and in adequation with other Wikimedia projects standards. A discussion is needed for a standard domain name. --[[User:Dereckson|Dereckson]] ([[User talk:Dereckson|talk]]) 17:48, 17 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Strong support''': There is no sense in having various projects - Wikipedia anyway is mostly the starting point for many tourists to search information about destinations (talking about experiences in the travel business). It is better to keep one strong project than various weaker ones. We are considering to create a group within a motorbiker's network that would be interested in exactly such a project to support, so learning about Wikimedia talking about a travel guide was really good.--[[User:SabineCretella|Sabine]] ([[User talk:SabineCretella|talk]]) 09:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Gildemax|gildemax]] ([[User talk:Gildemax|talk]]) 10:30, 18 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''': A travel project would fit well into WMF, and there are historical ties between the projects anyway (see Evan's vote). --[[User:Zeno Gantner|zeno]] ([[User talk:Zeno Gantner|talk]]) 13:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - Here is my thinking. [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wikitravel.org Wikitravel] is HUGE–more popular than [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.wikiquote.org Wikiquote], [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.wikibooks.org Wikibooks] and [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wikisource.org Wikisource]. The increased viewership could be a huge asset for increasing Wikimedia's brand awareness. [[User:Marcus Qwertyus|Marcus Qwertyus]] ([[User talk:Marcus Qwertyus|talk]]) 19:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - God, I dread this. The multiplication of sub-guides will almost certainly make rabbits look like monks. But I can also easily see that it might draw a few more people to become editors in general, probably including a fair number of people from smaller areas, and that would probably be a good thing. And, yeah, if other existing sites want to merge into one here, that will provide a reasonably sound basis for a start. But this might make the English wikipedia look like an easy project to manage. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 00:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' simply, it will be very useful for people around the world , so i'm supporting it . {{unsigned|Mr AkRaM}}<br /> # '''Support''' - It will be better if the local designation will have an allowance by supplying mapping and facts. However, will make disadvantages through misguidance. <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#1589FF 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#1589FF -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;color:#800080">[[User:V838 Monocerotis|<span style="font-family:Arial Narrow; color:dark blue; background:white"><b>Jonas'VM</b></font>]][[User talk:V838 Monocerotis|<font color="#FFFF00"><sup></sup> ☼</font>]]</font> 9:18 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - I hope to be a quality such as Wikipedia. --[[User:Vhorvat|Vhorvat]] ([[User talk:Vhorvat|talk]]) 01:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - I can understand opponents' concern for this proposal. But, I believe in power of this community. We can do it.--[[User:かぬま|かぬま]] ([[User talk:かぬま|talk]]) 02:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - Would be a great addition to the WMF. --[[User:J36miles|J36miles]] ([[User talk:J36miles|talk]]) 02:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Jivee Blau|Jivee Blau]] ([[User talk:Jivee Blau|talk]]) 02:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' -[[User:Jean.julius|Jean.julius]] ([[User talk:Jean.julius|talk]]) 02:19, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - --[[User:Soyescritor|Soyescritor]] ([[User talk:Soyescritor|talk]]) 02:27, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - [[User:Evad37|Evad37]] ([[User talk:Evad37|talk]]) 02:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - [[User:Umarfarooq111|Umarfarooq111]] ([[User talk:Umarfarooq111|talk]]) 02:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Not so bad, do it. but I have no money to travel to other country. <nowiki>:P</nowiki> --[[User:Yodamgod|Yodamgod]] ([[User talk:Yodamgod|talk]]) 02:54, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:We hope to also have content to help people travel around their own communities. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 03:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - This is a nautral way. [[User:Vini 175|Vinicius Siqueira]] ([[User talk:Vini 175|talk]]) 03:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - I like the idea behind Wikitravel, and I like the WMF. Join alliances. [[User:Maximilianklein|Maximilianklein]] ([[User talk:Maximilianklein|talk]]) 03:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' The project would attract lots of people from the tourism industry. [[User:Karthikndr|Karthikndr]] ([[User talk:Karthikndr|talk]]) 03:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Would be a good addition. -- [[User:Laberkiste|Laberkiste]] ([[User talk:Laberkiste|talk]]) 04:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I like travel.--[[User:Qa003qa003|Qa003qa003]] ([[User talk:Qa003qa003|talk]]) 04:19, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Suport'''—I don't think it is relevant whether we can import WikiTravel and WikiVoyage with the click of a button. The simple fact is, there is a sector of knowledge not covered by our existing projects, and this is our chance to cover it. If the new project garners the expected interest, the editors will be able to import WT and WV manually over time, if necessary. —[[User:Ynhockey|Ynhockey]] ([[User talk:Ynhockey|talk]]) 04:22, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' as it really bugs me that the existing Wikitravel is a for-profit entity. I'm reluctant to contribute to that site when I know that someone is profiting off of my work.--[[User:Bdell555|Bdell555]] ([[User talk:Bdell555|talk]]) 04:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Slight support''' - Yeah, it can be helpful and gives a completion to WMF projects, particularly related articles in WP. Though we already have links to it, wikification of WT is necessary and becomes possible quickly when it comes under the WMF umbrella. I also worry about the following<br /> #* I hope that the info given in WT would be reliable enough. We can give WB as an example for not having refs, but here it is slightly different.<br /> #* This is about personal experiences and will provide a good mask for efficient trolls. This can be experienced ''effectively'' as the project gets bigger.<br /> #:It seems that ''many'' of those who support are deeply interested in having more editors. Some are just very excited to hear about a new project. I think the current editors at WMF and WT/Y have very different styles. Getting a large number of editors with these styles is different from getting inexperienced editors. [[User:Vanischenu|Vanischenu]] ([[User talk:Vanischenu|talk]]) 04:25, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Strong support''' We are utilizing existing infrastructure of WikiTravel, WikiVoyage, and NYCwiki. This project is completely in line with the foundation's mission and could quite possibly increase editorship in other projects.[[User:Ryan Vesey|Ryan Vesey]] ([[User talk:Ryan Vesey|talk]]) 04:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - But Wiki should not compromise with its reliability quotient and it should not be a advertisement platform. Appropriate rules should be made. Anyway Travel wiki is a welcome step ahead.--[[User:Bharathiya|Bharathiya]] ([[User talk:Bharathiya|talk]]) 05:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Good idea. --[[User:Stryn|Stryn]] ([[User talk:Stryn|talk]]) 05:14, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Strong Support''' This is a great idea. A travel guide would be a great expansion to the Wikimedia Foundation. [[User:Hadger|Hadger]] ([[User talk:Hadger|talk]]) 05:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Good idea, since ad-free. --[[User:Olli|Olli]] ([[User talk:Olli|talk]]) 06:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:DILIN|DILIN]] ([[User talk:DILIN|talk]]) 06:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''.amazing idea.--[[User:Geronimixxx|Geronimixxx]] ([[User talk:Geronimixxx|talk]]) 06:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Let's make something really good!! [[User:Octavius 909|Octavius 909]] ([[User talk:Octavius 909|talk]]) 07:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' High demand, good synergies with other wikimedia-projects, opportunity to win more participiants also in other projects.--[[User:Karsten11|Karsten11]] ([[User talk:Karsten11|talk]]) 07:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' All my articles about roman and italian buildings and churches could be packed together in a good way for travellers. --[[User:Capaci34|Capaci34]] ([[User talk:Capaci34|talk]]) 08:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''': As active user both in ru.WP and WT.ru, I believe that it would be a much needed and useful addition to WP and other WMF projects. --[[User:Л.П. Джепко|Л.П. Джепко]] ([[User talk:Л.П. Джепко|talk]]) 08:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Good idea. –'''[[User:ElmA|ElmA]] <small>([[User talk:ElmA|<span style="color:#0070FF">Talk</span>]] – [[Special:Contributions/ElmA|<span style="color:#0070FF">My contributions</span>]] – [[Special:EmailUser/ElmA|<span style="color:#0070FF">E-mail]]</span>)</small> 09:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support'''. I've consulted Wikitravel fairly often, and I've even edited it a few times. For all its shortcomings, Wikitravel does have some excellent content and a fairly active, if small, editor base. Thus, we've seen that a wiki travel guide can work. A Wikimedia-backed project would be far more technically reliable than Wikitravel, and would attract more editors from the various other Wikimedia communities. In particular, the new project would need experienced administrators, bureaucrats, and other functionaries, which Wikitravel seems to lack. <font color="green">[[en:User:Szyslak|szyslak]]</font> 09:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' Good Idea and helpful in many point of views. --[[User:IlSignoreDeiPC|IlSignoreDeiPC]] ([[User talk:IlSignoreDeiPC|talk]]) 09:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' Good idea.--[[User:David1010|David1010]] ([[User talk:David1010|talk]]) 09:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' Good idea to put information inside that is not "relevant" as most says for articles -- [[User:P.oppenia|P.oppenia]] ([[User talk:P.oppenia|talk]]) 10:03, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' It will be really helpful for traveling... [[User:Slaven Kosanovic|Slaven Kosanovic]] ([[User talk:Slaven Kosanovic|talk]]) 10:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' Very-very good idea! --►[[User:Cekli829|'''<font face="AzPresident"><font color="blue">Safir</font> <font color="red">yüzüklü</font> <font color="green">Cekli</font></font>''']]<sup>[[User talk:Cekli829|mesaj]]</sup> 10:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' --[[User:Hydriz|Hydriz]] ([[User talk:Hydriz|talk]]) 10:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Support''' Traveling is best education for understanding the world and its people. --[[User:Benreis|Benreis]] ([[User talk:Benreis|talk]]) 10:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Travels are a part of the culture. It is important to join force to do the best. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 11:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:Noritaka666|Noritaka666]] ([[User talk:Noritaka666|talk]]) 11:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' ''Travellation''. Great idea. Wish we've done this a long time ago yet and of course to quote a famous American leader: "Yes, we can!" <br/>Kind regards,&nbsp;[[User_talk:ZeaForUs|Klaas]]&nbsp;&zwnj;&nbsp;[[User:ZeaForUs|V]] 11:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' <span style="font-size: 120%">Go ahead!!</span> [[User:Rursus|rursus]] ([[User talk:Rursus|talk]]) 11:36, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Good idea! Yes, of course! [[User:Rajasuu|Rajasuu]]<br /> # '''Support''' Wikipedia cannot cover every possible tourist destination in minute detail. - [[User:Presidentman|Presidentman]] ([[User talk:Presidentman|talk]]) 12:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:Grekube|Grekube]] ([[User talk:Grekube|talk]]) 12:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:Atlasowa|Atlasowa]] ([[User talk:Atlasowa|talk]])<br /> # '''Support''' Thumbs up! As mentioned above, travel information is practical knowledge and education. I never learned so much other than during my travels. [[User:Benoit Rochon|Benoit Rochon]] ([[User talk:Benoit Rochon|talk]])<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:LightBringer|LightBringer]] ([[User talk:LightBringer|talk]]) 13:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I would support this project, as a tourism lover and as a Tourism student. Maybe local tourist boards want to dump some of their info into this new site and, anyway, W'pedia already hosts a lot of tourist vaulable information. --[[User:Schumi4ever|Schumi4ever]] ([[User talk:Schumi4ever|talk]]) 13:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I will support and defend this project because I believe it would be great for the community. It will also, I hope, expand the Wikipedia/Wikimedia project, make it better.[[User:Steve92341|Steve92341]] ([[User talk:Steve92341|talk]]) 14:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Very good idea![[User:Duval|Duval]] ([[User talk:Duval|talk]]) 14:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' If the WT and the WV communities want to merge into a new Wikimedia project, I think we should welcome them. I vote for "Wikivoyage" to name the project, it's more multilingual than using "travel". [[User:Surt Fafnir|Surt Fafnir]] ([[User talk:Surt Fafnir|talk]]) 14:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' as a major contributor for articles about American places on jawp. [[User:Yassie|Yassie]] ([[User talk:Yassie|talk]]) 14:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. --[[User:פדיחה|פדיחה]] ([[User talk:פדיחה|talk]]) 14:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''.--[[File:Wibot.jpg|30px]]''' <big>[[User:Cyrax Cyborg|<font color="Yellow"><span style="text-shadow:Gray 0.1em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Cyrax</span></font>]]</big>''' <small>''[[User talk:Cyrax Cyborg|<font color="#88cc44">(Comando)</font>]]''</small> 14:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. [[User:בנימין|בנימין]] ([[User talk:בנימין|talk]]) 15:22, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''.-- Thumbs up.Sounds like a plan.[[BrightStarSky]],19 July 2012<br /> # '''Support'''.-- Sounds great! --[[Special:Contributions/92.73.192.149|92.73.192.149]] 15:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. Excellent idea!! --[[User:Arzino|Arzino]] ([[User talk:Arzino|talk]]) 15:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. --[[User:Netha Hussain|Netha Hussain]] ([[User talk:Netha Hussain|talk]]) 16:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects|OTRS='''Support'''|[[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px|Support]] '''Support'''}} Cool idea... long as everyone who are giving support, be future editors :) --[[User:ProtoplasmaKid|ProtoplasmaKid]] ([[User talk:ProtoplasmaKid|talk]]) 16:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''', as long as neutrality is enforced. --[[User:NaBUru38|NaBUru38]] ([[User talk:NaBUru38|talk]]) 16:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' -- [[User:Milad A380|Milad A380]] ([[User talk:Milad A380|talk]]) 16:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. It's a great idea. This site will increase the world's knowledge. [[User:Gullit Torres|Gullit Torres]] ([[User talk:Gullit Torres|talk]]) 17:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. [[User:Bogdanpax|Bogdanpax]] ([[User talk:Bogdanpax|talk]]) 17:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' A very logical step. [[User:Joadl|Joadl]] ([[User talk:Joadl|talk]]) 17:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' interesting proposition. --[[User:Ne0Freedom|Ne0Freedom]] ([[User talk:Ne0Freedom|talk]]) 17:39, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' &mdash;[[User:Derschueler|Derschueler]] 17:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC) <small>good idea!</small><br /> # '''Support''' [[User:B1mbo|B1mbo]] ([[User talk:B1mbo|talk]]) 17:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' it'll be a very useful project.--[[User:Àlex|Àlex]] ([[User talk:Àlex|talk]]) 18:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Find it a very interesting idea (as a former contributor on WikiTravel besides) --[[User:Floflo|Floflo]] ([[User talk:Floflo|talk]]) 18:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''' WikiTravel should have been assimilated by WMF long time ago. --[[User:Piotrus|Piotrus]] ([[User talk:Piotrus|talk]]) 18:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - I peek at Wikitravel occasionally, but it could really use some love; far too often, it's outdated, incomplete, or (if you're looking for accomodation, pubs etc.) biased towards a few businesses that you can't help but feel inserted themselves into the pages. Having a project like this under the WMF umbrella could bring in new contributors (and bring back old ones) and increase the content's quality, thus ultimately benefit everyone who makes use it. -- [[User:Schneelocke|Schnee]] ([[User talk:Schneelocke|talk]]) 18:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '"Support"'- Would be very helpful and educational. If kept to the standards of the WMF and Wikipedia community, I'm definitely in. -- [[User:Edgehead1212|Edgehead1212]] ([[User talk:Edgehead1212|talk]])<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Nicor|Nicor]] ([[User talk:Nicor|talk]]) 18:50, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px|Support]] '''Support!''' Long overdue IMHO! It fits thematically and would be a strong statement against misguided commercial interests on the back of a volunteer community. --[[User:Brsmain|Boris Marinov]] ([[User talk:Brsmain|talk]]) 18:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:Pelz|Pelz]] ([[User talk:Pelz|talk]]) 19:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Derzno|Derzno]] ([[User talk:Derzno|talk]]) 19:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Broaden the community! [[User:Billdanbury|Bill D]] ([[User talk:Billdanbury|talk]]) 19:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px|Support]] '''Support!''' the arguments of the opposers let me say yes. A Travel Guide is good for education. The influence of Advertisement is overestimated.--[[User:Mdarge|Mdarge]] ([[User talk:Mdarge|talk]]) 19:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Skizzik|Skizzik]] ([[User talk:Skizzik|talk]]) 19:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Bin im Garten|Bin im Garten]] ([[User talk:Bin im Garten|talk]]) 20:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Very interesting idea!--[[User:Алексей Гоманков|Алексей Гоманков]] ([[User talk:Алексей Гоманков|talk]]) 20:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Kdkeller|Kdkeller]] ([[User talk:Kdkeller|talk]]) 20:54, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' -- [[User:ترجمان05|ترجمان05]] ([[User talk:ترجمان05|talk]]) 21:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' Very good idea --[[User:Mbs z|Mbs z]] ([[User talk:Mbs z|talk]]) 21:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:ToBeFree|ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 21:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' I was going to oppose this as a duplication of Wikitravel, but if a majority of that project's admins and all its contributors who responded are interested in migration to WMF, that's a very good thing. The project is already developed, and its content can be moved here without substantial licensing issues. Why not? [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 21:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - Would by very helpful to have one strong base for all the active editors --[[User:Wivoelke|Wivoelke]] ([[User talk:Wivoelke|talk]]) 21:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - [[User:Kpjas|Kpjas]] ([[User talk:Kpjas|talk]]) 22:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:LZ6387|LZ6387]] ([[User talk:LZ6387|talk]]) 22:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' - Intriguing idea, very logical, Wikipedia is filled with pages of villages and townships and places people would never search for on an encyclopedia, such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uher_%28village%29 this town], or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokr%C3%B3wka this one] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horodyszcze-Kolonia this little village], most of these would seem more belonging in a project dedicated solely to the topic. [[User:Pluto and Beyond|Pluto and Beyond]] ([[User talk:Pluto and Beyond|talk]]) 00:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:Generous|Generous]] ([[User talk:Generous|talk]]) 00:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' This will be a massive project, we are in we support it.--[[User:Maxwell gauss|Maxwell gauss]] ([[User talk:Maxwell gauss|talk]]) 01:47, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support'''. I'm a co-founder of Wikitravel, a longtime MediaWiki developer and Wikipedia admin, and I support this proposal. --[[User:EvanProdromou|EvanProdromou]] ([[User talk:EvanProdromou|talk]]) 01:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:FrankyLeRoutier|FrankyLeRoutier]] ([[User talk:FrankyLeRoutier|talk]]) 02:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' [[User:Denis Barthel|Denis Barthel]] ([[User talk:Denis Barthel|talk]]) 02:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC) Co-founder of German Wikitravel, Wikipedian, Wikimedian. [[User:Denis Barthel|Denis Barthel]] ([[User talk:Denis Barthel|talk]]) 02:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''': Why not? --[[User:MadriCR|MadriCR]] ([[User talk:MadriCR|talk]]) 03:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''': Not only be a support to all users of wikimedia, if not all travel agents who want to contribute their bit this project. It's a great idea. I fully support. --[[User:Juancameneses11|Juancameneses11]] ([[User talk:Juancameneses11|talk]]) 06:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{strong support}}: Its a great idea. [[User:Hindustanilanguage|Hindustanilanguage]] ([[User talk:Hindustanilanguage|talk]]) 07:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC).<br /> # '''Support''': Good idea --[[User:Feuerst|Feuerst]] ([[User talk:Feuerst|talk]]) 07:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Support''' --[[User:9xl|9xl]] ([[User talk:9xl|talk]]) 07:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ===Oppose===<br /> # '''Oppose''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_manual.2C_guidebook.2C_textbook.2C_or_scientific_journal Wikipedia is not a manual, '''guidebook''', textbook, or scientific journal] and Wikipedia should not be the one and only guide for everything. --[[User:Arcy|Arcy]] ([[User talk:Arcy|talk]]) 21:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: Note that the proposal is to migrate content (and communities) from the existing Wikivoyage and Wikitravel projects to a new WMF site (similar to wikinews or wikiquotes); nothing has been proposed that would change Wikipedia in any way. -- [[User:Wrh2|Wrh2]] ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) 22:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # <s>Oppose</s> '''Very strong Oppose''' This isn't as simple as changing the URLs and calling it a day. I don't see it as being possible to do a seamless import, i.e. bring over all of the content, all of the editors, all of the policies, all of the page histories, etc., and leave nothing behind at the old domain. If that's not possible to do, then we're going to end up not doing an import, but a fork. In my opinion, forking a functional project at best creates one mostly functional project and one heavily damaged project, and at worst, creates two heavily damaged projects. Let's not break things that work. All of that being said, if this does go forward, I'd be willing to help coordinate the integration of Wikitravel Shared with Wikimedia Commons. [[User:Sven Manguard|Sven Manguard]] ([[User talk:Sven Manguard|talk]]) 04:15, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: The reason why this proposal exists is that WT is not functional. Yes we do not want to create two heavily damaged projects. We will hopefully be bringing in WV. Thus we will hopefully be bringing together a broken project, integrating it with a non-broken one and helping them both grow from there.--[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 06:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: The fork already happened when Wikivoyage started and Wikitravelists were pissed off by Wikitravel hoster. What we can do here is bring the dissolving community back together in one place. I read the comments from Wikivoyage folks here that way that if we do it right with Wikitravel then they would come and join us, too. So in the end we create a fork with people who want to fork ''anyway'' plus we may integrate another, already existing fork. If someone can do this, it is Wikimedia — of course it only works if the WT/WV community really want and support that. But it has been their initiative so far to contact us. So we should give them a warm welcome. --[[de:User:80686|Manuel Schneider]]<sup>[[de:User Talk:80686|(bla)]]&nbsp;[[de:User:80686/Bewertung|(+/-)]]</sup> 06:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: By all means, I'd be quite happy if you prove my cynicism on this matter unfounded. Rarely is it unfounded though. [[User:Sven Manguard|Sven Manguard]] ([[User talk:Sven Manguard|talk]]) 17:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::: I can vouch that it is near certain that WT admins will fork independently if this proposal falls through, as we were planning to before it became evident that moving to Wikimedia was a possibility. So yes, wikitravel.org will continue to exist without its defectors (and I think virtually all regular contributors will leave if a) this move happens, and b) they are aware of this move). The current hosts will likely lock down editing, chop articles into bits to improve SEO, increase space dedicated to advertising, and generally see the state of things degrade, as it has been even in spite of the effort we, the contributors, continue to put into the site. But, the choice is between welcoming the WT and WV folks to Wikimedia, offering the potential to re-unite those communities, increasing the likelihood that the WT crowd keeps its contributor base intact in the move, and to join them with Wikimedia's own—or seeing the travel wiki communities further fractured and with ever less support. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 19:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: @Manguard: When we decided to leave WT years back we wanted to keep the original spirit. We still might be a fork, but in the meantime most content is genuine WV ([http://www.wikivoyage.org/de/Spezial:Statistik statistic in german]). So we think that migrating our project (as we tried to suggested to WMF back in 2006)is not supporting a fork but integrating at least two communities into WMF projects. Therefore we bring a domain, a community and a large site under the roof of WM. WT de is without any administrator for months now. A lot of language versions just exist because they have been started once but are not living any more. Unfortunately so far none of the en WT community has joined our project before. But this time can be a major step forward to reunite the communities. Technical support on WT has been poor at least. We know that there seem to be old issues of the founding community which are based on our fork. But hurt feelings should not stop the project from beeing started. --[[User:Der Reisende|Der Reisende]] ([[User talk:Der Reisende|talk]]) 14:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:::I find it disturbing that only one of the fifteen opposes tendered thus far has not solicited some sort of response from the support camp. On the projects that I'm active at that's called badgering, and it's looked down upon because of the chilling effect it has on discussions. The vast majority of the people commenting thus far have supported the proposal. You don't need to continue to respond to every single oppose, it's not helpful, it's not polite, and to me, it's not remotely acceptable. Therefore I've upgraded my opposition to very strong oppose. [[User:Sven Manguard|Sven Manguard]] ([[User talk:Sven Manguard|talk]]) 01:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::::This is a public discussion, and in public discussions it is expected that users will discuss the topic at hand. RfCs are not just a strict vote, they are a request for comments from a wide variety of perspectives - and as such, it is expected and normal that people of opposite viewpoints take time to refute arguments presented by the other side. Thank God that not all Wikimedians share enwiki's unproductive view on discussions occurring with these sorts of things. <small>Also, I hate to mention this, but adding the word "strong" to before the oppose changes absolutely nothing about the argument you presented and won't be counted any more than it would have been before.</small> [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 01:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:::::As Ajr said, this is a discussion, not a vote. Just because there are 10 supports to every 1 oppose, it doesn't mean one side is "winning". We are simply trying to discuss the issues the opposition has and point out our opinions. We are not copying and pasting the same response every time. If the opposition feel the burning desire to respond to some of the supporters comments above, nothing is stopping them. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] ([[User talk:JamesA|talk]]) 06:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} - For anyone with a question about the full functionality of Wikitravel, including its software, infrastructure, community and host, my response is simple: go visit. http://wikitravel.org/en/Main_Page Make some edits. Add content. Come to the world’s largest travel wiki, and see why seven million other travelers will do the same this month, viewing and printing 18 million pages to take on a trip, adding listings of their own and contributing to this unique resource. This community ought not be deprived of some of its finest administrators, editors, curators and writers. The Traveler Comes First.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 00:13, 29 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: <small>(Note: IBobi is one of the employees at Wikitravel) [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 01:04, 29 June 2012 (UTC)</small><br /> #::: <small>Clarifying: ibobi is an employee of Internet Brands, rather than an active WT community member &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 03:52, 2 July 2012 (UTC) </small><br /> #:::: <small>(Note: clarifying: ibobi is an employee at Internet Brands and user of Wikitravel)--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] ([[User talk:IBobi|talk]]) 19:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)</small><br /> #::::: I invite readers to examine [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/IBobi&limit=500&target=IBobi IBobi's contributions on Wikitravel] and decide for themselves. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 04:25, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: I think he made IB's point of view clear to all. Literally censorship is on the way (understandable for a company who might loose the cow that can be milked). --15:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: In reviewing this RFC, I thought to respond to IBobi's suggestion to check out the Wikitravel site. Thinking I would create an account and make a few edits to get a feel for what they have, I decided to login using OpenID. Unfortunately, the response after following the [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Main_Page provided link] said [http://wikitravel.org/en/Special:OpenIDLogin "No such special page"]. With all due respect, something is definitely not working over there. [[User:Cindamuse|Cindamuse]] ([[User talk:Cindamuse|talk]]) 13:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} [[wikitravel:]] exists. I see no need to replicate something that already exists within wikis. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:90%;">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 13:52, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: All of Wikitravel's most active users see a very real need for just that. Have you spent much time on Wikitravel? [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]]) 17:30, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::: Then why is that information omitted from the RFC? The RFC is pretty blank about why not enhance one of the existing travel sites, or what is the enhancement over the existing wikis. If the part of the argument is about either the unsustainability or the issues of other ventures, then it would have been helpful to have these raised in the RFC. My opinion/vote is solely based on the existing proposition and my use of the existing site that I quoted, and my perception of the benefits of another travel wiki. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:90%;">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 11:33, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:::: We would be rejoining two communities of editors (WV and WT) and the subsequent site would be free of adverting. WV split off because of the commercial issues. I know that I myself would not be here writing for Wikipedia if it was run by a for profit company.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 12:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} - Don't see the point of a whole new project. Why not set up a travel guide section on Wikibooks, and migrate their content to that instead? Seems like a waste of resources to have 2 wikiprojects with content that could happily fit into one. [[User:BarkingFish|BarkingFish]] ([[User talk:BarkingFish|talk]]) 19:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: One could say the same thing about Wikipedia and Wiktionary. Why not set up an encyclopedia section on Wikibooks? [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]]) 02:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::: Have you discussed your idea with other wikibooks editors to see how they feel? The German Wikivoyage project is 60% the size of all of German Wikibooks. Travel doesn't obviously fall within the wikibooks notion of 'textbook'. I see that you have worked on 'edge case' projects within Wikibooks: the cookbook and wikijunior. Both are cool, but have at times had their status on the project debated. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">&ndash;[[User:Sj|SJ]]<small>&nbsp;[[User Talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f90;">talk</font>]]&nbsp;</small></span> 20:51, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}}. One point that people don't seem to have brought up is that the WMF, as it stands, has scaling difficulties supporting the projects we ''do'' have. This is a natural outcome when you have so many variations on a theme run by such a small org. During his Board of Trustees Q&A at last year's Wikimania, Jimmy made the point that he doesn't think we should add additional projects until we can support the ones we have, and I agree with him. Wikitravel will invariably have individual and independent developer needs that the WMF will be expected to meet, and we can't promise they will be met. [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 19:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: At their meeting this Wednesday (July 11), the Board will decide whether they are willing to support the project. Opposing this just because you think they might say no seems a bit odd. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 11:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::: You don't seem to have read my comment; I'm not opposing because they say no. I'm opposing because if they say yes, we have another project to add to the list that cumulatively outstrips our ability to technically support. Most of our developers are focused on the Wikipedia model, which is understandable, because it's our flagship project and is currently in the doldrums, technically speaking. This is great. I think we ''should'' be focusing on Wikipedia. But I also appreciate that there are a lot of other projects that are also worthy and will need technical support and customised software, and that we don't have the resources to support all of them. Until we do, adding another one seems silly. [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 12:09, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:::: A number of people who are with WT have programing skills so hopefully they will join our volunteer programing team to improve Media Wiki. This new site also has a good possibility to bring in extra funding and thus allow the WMF to increase technical support for all projects.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 12:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} 1) Per Ironholds, and 2) Doesn't seem like the kind of project the WMF would want anyway... Everything else is verifiable, encyclopedic, news worthy, etc. but Travel stuff could be so opinionated. Further, if this is just supposed to be a database of places and attractions, it may serve better as a WikiProject on ENWP, not its own Wiki. [[User:AndrewN|AndrewN]] ([[User talk:AndrewN|talk]]) 06:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: A Wikitravel travel guide is considerably more than a "database of places and attractions", and even for those places and attractions Wikipedia's goals explicitly rule out core travel information like prices, opening hours, directions for getting there, contact information, etc. Also, the vast majority of the world's hotels, restaurants, nightclubs etc do not meet WP's notability requirements. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 11:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: I invite you to glance over these examples; The [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Star_articles Star Articles], our [http://wikitravel.org/en/Previous_Destinations_of_the_month Destinations of the Month], or the [http://wikitravel.org/en/Previously_Off_the_beaten_path Off the beaten path] places, for a taste of the aspirations. It is not just a database of places, many sites do that, probably better than Wikitravel too, its writing true travel guides anyone can edit that is the unique part of wikitravel. [[User:Sertmann|Sertmann]] ([[User talk:Sertmann|talk]]) 18:06, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Unfortunately. A travel site would fit nicely in the WMF remit. However ''this'' travel site is not a good fit for our culture; there is resistance to basic things like removal of advertising (I suggested to a secondary reviews portal on the mailing list, where it would be more utile, but to no avail), increased use of (or encouragement of) source material. WikiTravel, in these circumstances, would not be a useful free resource. In addition I have read the talk page discussions related to this proposal; I am concerned that the WT people are interested in the WMF for its technical support (which is fine) but are unwilling to adopt some of the basic tenets of the movement - particularly worrying was the discussion over "BLP" which is such a core facet of our movement, but which they seem to have no understanding of in context, nor how it would apply to WT. There seems no established mechanism for investigating copyright violations. The WT admins who are pioneering this movement have made claims that most of the users will move to this new project; but have not substantiated this with any explanation. Details on how many active users there are, how aware they would be of this change, etc. would be critical for my support. Looking over the recent changes; a lot of contributions seem to be spam or advertising - and there is no apparent strategy to combat this in the future; a critical tenet of the movement is that there is no advertising. --[[User:ErrantX|ErrantX]] ([[User talk:ErrantX|talk]]) 08:49, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: The horrendous spam and advertising is a result of the poor technical support of the current host, Internet Brands. For awhile, there was no CAPTCHA mechanism when signing up for an account; the block tool didn't even work for a few days! A WMF-run site would allow the introduction of bots to prevent obvious spamming, along with a multitude of other basic ideas that IB never bothered with. Plus, there would also be an influx of returning admins (who've voiced their support and interest) to the WMF-run site to help with maintenance and vandalism-removal. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] ([[User talk:JamesA|talk]]) 11:11, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: I presume that by "advertising" you mean spam? The [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Don%27t_tout Don't tout] core policy addresses this head on. The present problem with spam being entered faster than it can be reliably removed is partly because Wikitravel's present owners have managed to drive away most of the active users who used to do the janitorial work, but mostly because they have been extremely slow in implementing any of the countless technical anti-spam measures pioneered by Wikipedia. Shifting to the WMF and simply applying the same filters, bots etc that are used for other WMF wikis would drastically cut down on the problem.<br /> #:: Also, BLP has not been much of an issue on Wikitravel to date, simply because individual living people are virtually never covered by its articles. But as already stated in [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Travel_Guide#Pillars.2Fprinciples the discussion], Wikitravel admins have no objections to applying the policy to the Wikimedia fork. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 11:20, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::Patrolling WT is a nigtmare due to slow speed. This makes getting rid of the advertising more difficult, so in spite of the policy against it it has become more difficult to keep up with the touting. Blaming the editors and admins for this is not particularly fair, and there has been a decline in numbers due to burnout and frustration with the (lack of) support. BLP is pretty much a non-issue, so has never really needed to be addressed. The no-recognizable photos of people rule is probably far more restrictive than the BLP policies on Wikipedia. Adding BLP rules would have about as much impact as forbidding fish the use of bicyles. [[Special:Contributions/41.243.200.45|41.243.200.45]] 18:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # We have enough neglected, inactive projects. Let's focus on what already needs to get done. Our limited resources, in my opinion, could be directed toward more worthwhile endeavors. [[User:Blurpeace|<span style="color:#002BB8;">'''Blurpeace'''</span>]] 17:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: As all of the Wikitravel and Wikivoyage admins would be signing up to the new project, the resources would come right along with them. One of the exciting things I see happening is the rejoining of those two communities, and the return of former invaluable contributors who have been driven off by advertising, poor tech support, and other concerns about hosting and data integrity. They (er..., we) also would become much more involved in helping out with the other WMF projects, especially Commons, which is what I was getting at in mentioning synergies above. Expectations for what tech support looks like are not high, only because the bar has been set so low in the past, and we'd be thrilled just to have the permissions so that skilled members of our community could work on feature development. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 21:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::: There is increased efficiency in volume which is why we see corporations involved in similar businesses merging. A travel guide would hopefully improve our revenue and thus result in better technical support for all projects.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 23:12, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #Wikimedia struggles to maintain most non-Wikipedia sites, such as Wikinews, Wikisource, et al. I cannot see how WMF will manage to make this last much longer than a couple years before the entire structure of a travel wiki fails. [[User:Frood|Frood]] ([[User talk:Frood|talk]]) 23:37, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: I guess I have more faith in the abilities of the WMF than you :-) I think these non Wikipedia sites are having trouble maintaining their communities of editors rather than their infrastructure. And it is the community of editors that makes a site succeed or fail. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 00:24, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: So, by that logic, if somebody were to build a store, and provide basic utilities, customers would go to the store and put their items on a shelf. WMF needs to try to get editors, not just provide the bare necessities of technical stuff. [[User:Frood|Frood]] ([[User talk:Frood|talk]]) 01:42, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::: The Wikimedia movement is the one who needs to get the editors. While the WMF may be able to help with this I do not see it as their primary purpose. The WMF is to keep the lights on. Getting editors is exactly what this proposal is going to accomplish. What we have here is at least another 50 dedicated contributors who wish to join the WM movement. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 01:52, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:::: If a WMF travel site languishes in the future then by all means a discussion should take place about whether it should be transitioned to another hosting provider (after all, the content is open source). However, your opposition (and that of several others here) seems to pre-suppose failure, and given that the project has already survived for nearly a decade it seems that the existing evidence is that it stands an excellent chance of being successful. -- [[User:Wrh2|Wrh2]] ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) 03:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::::: We already have at least 40 people willing to contribute to the English-language version. That makes it a more worthwhile endeavour than a couple hundred small projects. Besides, if it isn't active, we can close it down. Projects are closed all the time around here... Why not even give it a try? [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 04:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: <s>Mild oppose.</s> &nbsp;The Travel Guide strikes me as a great project that's beyond the immediate scope of the WMF; I also have concerns about NPOV and resource allocation. &nbsp; [[User:GChriss|GChriss]] ([[User talk:GChriss|talk]]) 16:55, 9 July 2012 (UTC) <br /> ''Undecided.'' More discussion needed + a revised, comprehensive proposal. &nbsp;I like the idea of a location guide + wikidata. [[User:GChriss|GChriss]] ([[User talk:GChriss|talk]]) 04:58, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::: Additional explanation [[User_talk:GChriss#Open_Meetings|here]]. Sincerely, [[User:GChriss|GChriss]] ([[User talk:GChriss|talk]]) 02:02, 10 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose''' - Against further Wikimedia scope creep and empire building. Wikimedia runs on donations, it's lean enough as it is, and I'm not convinced that the proposed travel vertical would bring in any significant new audience, engagement or revenue for other Wikimedia projects. The argument for would be more convincing if Wikitravel/WikiVoyage came from a position of strength. They don't. The WMF is not in the business of catching falling knives. People donated to keep Wikipedia free, not to bail out/subsidise travel guides.<br /> #: And it's not one wiki fits all, you can't just throw WMF/mediawiki at it and expect it to be a success - just look at wikinews. Travel is so clearly not served by mediawiki software, to get travel right requires mapping, recommendations, localised listings, booking/payment systems. Mediawiki software is so deficient in this regard, and it always will be if its main concern (which it will be) is Wikipedia.<br /> #: There's an argument about commercialisation above, but that's just totally irrelevant. I really couldn't care less that editors would be put off editing a travel guide if it were run by a for-profit enterprise, no one should. Wikia has clearly shown that there are legions of editors out there who would, and it continues to innovate (such as the editing interface) without having to deal with the red tape consensus that plagues WMF projects. Wikipedia doesn't even allow users to sign in with Facebook (due to NPOV/advertising issues I assume) regardless of its benefits, yet Wikia does.<br /> #: In conclusion, Mediawiki will not serve the travel vertical well, and so the audience will remain negligible. A travel project would be better served by a for-profit company which is free to innovate and deliver the features that vertical needs. If the Wikitravel guys had any sense, they'd be cap in hand on Sand Hill Road, not at the WMF's doorstep. And if they can't do it, Wikia should. - [[User:Hahnchen|hahnchen]] ([[User talk:Hahnchen|talk]]) 03:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: Wikitravel ''is'' owned and operated by a for-profit company, which has focused for the past 5 years on maximizing ad revenue at the expense of everything else, and the whole reason for the fork is that it's quite demonstrably not working out at all. As for "negligible audience", Google's estimates for Wikitravel traffic in May 2012 are as follows:<br /> #::: Unique visitors (estimated cookies): 4.6M<br /> #::: Unique visitors (users): 2M<br /> #::: Page views 8.3M<br /> #:: By most measures this is larger than all existing WM projects except Wikipedia, Wiktionary and Wikibooks, plus there's an untold number of websites that mirror or remix Wikitravel content (Triposo, Offbeat Guides, you.travel, etc etc). [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] ([[User talk:Jpatokal|talk]]) 06:42, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::::If the Wikitravel and Wikivoyage editors wanted to edit under Wikia's terms they would already be doing so. Your advocacy lacks understanding of the people involved. We do not want a commecial host, we have been tolerating it for want of something better, It has become almost intolerable, and as a direct result, WT has been losing editors and admins. Your suggest that the donors to WMF would not want the money spent this way, but how many have you asked? I have donated to WMF and I suppoort this proposal. I guess you also donate to WMF and dont support it - that balances us out. The others have not been consulted as far as I know. [[Special:Contributions/41.243.200.45|41.243.200.45]] 18:29, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: Wikitravel was acquired by Internet Brands 5 years ago; advertisements were not even placed on the site for 3 years after that, and have not changed since. Meanwhile over the past year-plus, feature requests have been completed, and an enormous software, hardware, and database upgrade has just finished, resulting in a Wikitravel that is the best it has ever been, by a significant margin. There's daily engagement between the WT administrators and IB technical and community support teams.<br /> #: It's unfortunate that the timing of this upgrade coincided with the WMF fork proposal, which was first made two months after the upgrade began; this has resulted in a number of "support" votes that are based on outdated information about the site's technical capabilities. It's simply a different situation now, and presumably the WMF board will take this into consideration. Thank you.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 18:49, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: The advertisements have changed since their introduction. I took the lead personally in pushing for a durable consensus to introduce Google text ads, as we hoped that ad revenue might lead to an interest on the part of IB to take tech support and feature development seriously. That engagement did not happen, and IB unilaterally, overnight, without any advance notice or discussion introduced image ads, which remain in violation of our advertising policy. IB maintains plans to introduce further commercialization over community objection. Even the ads that the community have approved have turned away would-be contributors uncomfortable with the for-profit status of Wikitravel's host.<br /> #::: The clash of a closed, secretive, corporate culture with our open, pro bono publico culture has been nearly as big a problem as neglect and restricted access. This is why we think the WMF is a much better fit, as we share the same ethos as the various Wikimedia projects—indeed, our project was inspired by them and directly modeled after them. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 19:56, 11 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} A travel Wiki would be an open forum for promotion of commercial interests (spam) personal opinions (POV), and as such, would be impossible to police as the commercial interests of travel and hospitality sector would likely to conflict with the non-commercial mission of the Wikimedia Foundation. There is already an going conflict between these interests in Wikipedia, where there is an ongoing debate on whether topics or content should be allowed to be added on the basis of "notability" (where significant coverage from reliable secondary sources is required) or some other inclusion criteria, such as the desire to provide a comprehensive coverage of every single aspect of human existence (such as the travel). Limiting the inclusion of topics and content on the basis of notability has the effect of excluding content that is purpose is purely to promote a political, commercial or personal interest, whereas it is not possible to exclude promotional content such as spam or private fueds about hotel service if the criteria for inclusion are not objective enough to be applied in consistent way that results in balanced coverage. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin.collins]] ([[User talk:Gavin.collins|talk]]) 14:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Wikipedia and its sister projects like Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Commons and so on (except of Wikispecies, which I don't support either) are not dedicated to one single field, but rather are different ''forms'' of presenting knowledge about various topics. To me, this integrative aspect seems to be crucial for Wikipedia and its sister projects. With establishing a travel wiki this strategy will be abandoned. This probably will give rise to a lot of other topic-related wikis under the umbrella of Wikimedia. Everyone has to judge by himself or herself if this is a desireable way. I don't think so. --[[User:OnkelDagobert|OnkelDagobert]] ([[User talk:OnkelDagobert|talk]]) 09:06, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:I tend to disagree that a WMF travel wiki would be a "topic-related" wiki and not fit in with the Foundation's scope and direction. Although it is true that Wikitravel is about travel, it is not merely a travel encyclopaedia where we have hundreds of articles about travel-related things. The site is designed to provide information to benefit the traveller, and this is done through listing practical information, experiences and listings. This is a unique way to present knowledge, and is different to the thousands of wikis you see on wikifarms like Wikia who simply write all the info they can think of about particular topics or items. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] ([[User talk:JamesA|talk]]) 03:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # Oppose, unless some very stringent rules are put in place to restrict what can be included. A travel guide is inheretently littered with opinion, which wikiprojects have been very bad at handling at. I can see value in making available on a wiki actual travel information: public transport, roads, public healthcare information, locations of government owened tourist information. This is only part of a travel guide. The important parts are opinions on quality of hotels/hostels, restaurants, which are the 'good' sights to see, what are the 'fun' things to do, where to go for drinks, where you can find good private tour operators etc. etc. These are all POV, and - apart from the spam problem it would have - it would also have a large foundation in opinion. Keeping all opinion in sets some serious challenges for what to include and what not to include on a policy level. Leaving it out leaves you with a crippled and virtually useless travel guide, being better served by other sources. This is a project I don't think the foundations knowledge model can accomodate. [[User:Martijn Hoekstra|Martijn Hoekstra]] ([[User talk:Martijn Hoekstra|talk]]) 11:34, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #: The model has been successful so far. And WMF already has wikis that don't have an NPOV policy. [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] ([[User talk:LtPowers|talk]]) 11:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} for the reasons stated by ''OnkelDagobert''. The proposed project is strongly thematic and belongs to places like Wikia, not Wikimedia. --[[User:Eugrus|eugrus]] ([[User talk:Eugrus|talk]]) 19:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose''' All the Wikimedia projects have a somehow educative, scientific or rational - however you prefer to call it - approach. A travel guide is the opposite of that. Policies like NPOV which are good guidelines for those science-based projects are at least meaningless for a travel guide. The wikimedia projects so far reproduce kind of canonical knowledge, that's why i call it "scientific". A travel guide however ist based on highly personal evaluations of "good", "nice" or whatever leisure-related categories. I really don't seeany affinity between wikitravel/Wikivoyage and the wikimedia projects beyond the technology used. Btw: Anybody remembering the ban of videogame guides from wikibooks? Quite similar to this case i think.--[[User:Wiggum|Wiggum]] ([[User talk:Wiggum|talk]]) 20:19, 17 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:The content of a travel guide is rational. Where a hotel is, how much a hotel costs, and if a hotel is open is all factual content and are the key components to a travel guide. No personal evaluation needed.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 13:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::No it is not. Open a travel guide, you'll have plenty of subjective comments wherever people liked or not the place for different reasons: too dirty or really clean, staff welcoming or not depending of the mood of the traveler, good drinking atmosphere,... When I open a travel guide, I don't want a Encyclopedia with rational stuff, I want advices and tips from people who did travel their on their own.[[User:Kormin|Kormin]] ([[User talk:Kormin|talk]]) 02:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:::Also, which hotel should be chosen if there are many in an area? I can see this potential project as creating so much chaos and argument that the negatives far outweighs the positives. [[User:Sp33dyphil|Sp33dyphil]] ([[User talk:Sp33dyphil|talk]]) 07:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} There is already [[Wikibooks]] for that --<small style="background:#f00">'''★ [[User:Airon90|<span style="color:#000">→ A</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Airon90|<span style="color:#f00;background:#000">ir</span>]][[User talk:Airon90|<span style="color:#000">on Ĉ</span>]]'''</small> 00:49, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:: Given the nature of the proposed content, it would be highly subjective. If it only consisted of hotel names and prices that would be great, but it's not going to happen. Travel opinions will abound and I for one believe that is beyond the scope of Wiki. [[User:FoCuSandLeArN|FoCuSandLeArN]] ([[User talk:FoCuSandLeArN|talk]]) 00:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::: The travel guides are not only hotel lists. The main aim is to help and explain sites for travelers of all kind. See for instance: [http://www.wikivoyage.org/de/Baschandi Bashandi]. Bashandi itself is a really small village unimportant for an encyclopedia (not yet mentioned at any Wikipedia language branch). But we give here a complete explanation of the Greco-Roman tomb chapel which goes fare behind the needs of an encyclopaedia. That's my idea of travel guides. --[[User:RolandUnger|RolandUnger]] ([[User talk:RolandUnger|talk]]) 05:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::::In response to Airon, I believe this has already been discussed; this sort of travel wiki does not fit into Wikibooks at all. WT gives destinations their own articles, whereas Wikibooks attempts to merge them into one big book. We have over 25,000 articles at WT, and it'd be a disaster merging them into Wikibooks. Already, the travel guide genre has proven to not work on Wikibooks; from looking around the site, I can count the travel destination guides on one hand, and they are not structured well at all. [[User:JamesA|JamesA]] ([[User talk:JamesA|talk]]) 06:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::::: Don't care: POV opinions/spam is not tolerated in Wikimedia's projects. NPOV Travel guide book should stay in WB (even if there are more than one billlion pages). Leave this project to wiki farms as Wikia (which have a wiki for everything useful and useless) --<small style="background:#f00">'''★ [[User:Airon90|<span style="color:#000">→ A</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Airon90|<span style="color:#f00;background:#000">ir</span>]][[User talk:Airon90|<span style="color:#000">on Ĉ</span>]]'''</small> 11:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC) <br /> #'''Oppose''' Per Ironholds. And as for the argument that it'll get more editors, well, we need to focus on keeping the editors we have right now instead of putting a lot of effort into gaining new ones. --[[User:Kangaroopower|'''<span style="color:#009933;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;">Kangaroo</span>''']][[User Talk:Kangaroopower|'''<span style="color:#000080;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;">powah</span>''']] 01:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Strong Oppose''' Like [[User:Wiggum|Wiggum]] and [[User:FoCuSandLeArN|FoCuSandLeArN]]: a travel guide isn't for educative purpose. A travel guide is ALWAYS subjective, depending on the person who used the service, their experience, the moment they used it, the condition, etc... This project is a good idea, but I do not think it should join Wikimedia projects. --[[User:Kormin|Kormin]] ([[User talk:Kormin|talk]]) 02:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #'''Strong Oppose''' Waste of time and money. Articles will always have an opinion bias, and interest groups will attempt to hijack it. Travel experiences always also depend on the money spent, respectively one intents to spend. Then there is the issue of providing references, ... Not worth the trouble. [[Special:Contributions/121.218.143.50|121.218.143.50]] 05:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose''' I strongly believe that this proposal falls outside of the scope of Wikipedia. Furthermore, absorption of such a project would only bring unnecessary complexity to the foundation. Hence, I am VERY opposed to the "Travel Guide Project". [[User:Ltr,ftw|Ltr,ftw]] ([[User talk:Ltr,ftw|talk]]) 05:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #* Just to be clear, do you mean "outside the scope of Wiki'''''m'''''edia"? Wikipedia's scope is not relevant to this RFC. [[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] ([[User talk:This, that and the other|talk]]) 07:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose''' subjective ([[en:Travel literature]]), too many variables (money spent, services chosen, weather), plus, as mentioned above, biased groups will surely attempt to promote their products and/or services. Also mentioned by Blurpeace, let's channel all the funds into some of our inactive projects. [[User:Sp33dyphil|Sp33dyphil]] ([[User talk:Sp33dyphil|talk]]) 07:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose''' No open doors for promotion of commercial interests and personal opinions (POV), no support for tourism, which is simply a branch of economic activity not interested very much in the locals. Wikimedia is a means of education. - All in all contradictory to our aims, which hopefully are still the same. Admin and author, german Wikipedia, --[[User:Hans-Jürgen Hübner|Hans-Jürgen Hübner]] ([[User talk:Hans-Jürgen Hübner|talk]]) 07:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose''' I just oppose for setting up any new project now, even the wikipedia project isn't active enough. In Chinese, a word called "heat for three minutes" (meaning brief period of enthusiasm).--[[User:Wangxuan8331800|Wangxuan8331800]] ([[User talk:Wangxuan8331800|talk]]) 08:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose''' I don't think a travel guide is within the scope of the Wikimedia project; also I think the efforts ought to go towards other stuff nowadays. Also I'm worried about neutral POV. Finally, I agree with a comment above: "Wikimedia is a means of education" - Wikitravel is not.--[[User:Arnaugir|Arnaugir]] ([[User talk:Arnaugir|talk]]) 08:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose'''. Per Hans-Jürgen Hübner. [[User:Bibi Saint-Pol|Bibi Saint-Pol]] ([[User talk:Bibi Saint-Pol|talk]]) 09:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} As a casual user I found Wikitravel most helpful when I needed it and therefore oppose any website infringing on its terrain. It's a point of not fragmenting knowledge across the web. --User:BjKa@Wikipedia-en/de 09:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose''' - My feeling is that such a project is out of the wikimedia philosophy. Its relevance would be to remove promotional content to WP articles. But in my humble opinion, it would be more valuable to link relevant content (educational ones like small places, monument, etc) from the WikiData project (which was launched some weeks ago by the german WP IIUC ?) in each WP article ...... [[User:Genium|Genium]] ([[User talk:Genium|talk]]) 09:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} All the Wikimedia projects, at least in theory, are educational and neutral. Once we start writing tour guides, we're explicitly making ourselves a repository for the value-judgements of anyone who happens to come by, quite aside from the spam implications. To be frank, this proposal looks like English Wikipedia trying to create a fresh dumping ground for their problem editors, now that Wikiversity and Simple English Wikipedia have finally begun refusing to act as en-wiki's penal colony. [[User:Mogism|Mogism]] ([[User talk:Mogism|talk]]) 10:22, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # ({{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}}) '''Very strong Oppose''' Wikimedia is a non-profit-organisation. Each person, which will travel round the world, in a country, is able to look into WP and will get all informations, which is needed. Wikimedia is to give informations into the project-sites. More than only travel-informations. [[User:Zabia|Zabia]] ([[User talk:Zabia|talk]]) 10:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} As has been stated many times above, a travel guide is always going to be a collection of subjective viewpoints. Putting aside the issue that this would lend the authoritative weight of Wikimedia to the viewpoints put forth, the very nature of the subjectivity would undoubtedly cause much heated debate as to each entries content and validity. Entries would be constantly edited to remove contentious opinions, which would undoubtedly harm the reputation of Wikimedia as reliable reference source. [[User:Jim0thy|Jim0thy]] ([[User talk:Jim0thy|talk]]) 11:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> ##'''Agree''': What if a place wants to be in the routine? If I add my home in the Beijing Travel Guide, will wikitravel accept that? --[[User:王小朋友|王小朋友]] ([[User talk:王小朋友|talk]]) 12:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # {{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}}: Wikimedia should concentrate on more educational projects. Don't be like MS and Google. They tried to occupy every eara. Now Google is deleting it project and try to concentrate on search and social metworks. Entertainment, like Travel, is a Wikia thing. Rather than Travel Guide, I will support if wikimedia import more educational projects like [http://rationalwiki.org rationalwiki]. (I don't mean science. Religous wikis are OK.) But if Travel Guide is established, I will take part in too.--[[User:王小朋友|王小朋友]] ([[User talk:王小朋友|talk]]) 12:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Waste of time and money. [[User:SallesNeto BR|SallesNeto BR]] ([[User talk:SallesNeto BR|talk]]) 12:36, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} No comercial support in WP. Why we shold help traval & tourism? Their are already many platform within the www. --[[Special:Contributions/194.113.59.80|194.113.59.80]] 12:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Waste of money.--[[User:TheAnnoymousUser|TheAnnoymousUser]] ([[User talk:TheAnnoymousUser|talk]]) 13:10, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Bad idea, difficult to implement. We will face a lot of spam and we will have to dedicate resources to a failing project.--[[User:Louisbeta|Louisbeta]] ([[User talk:Louisbeta|talk]]) 13:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} At first sight, it looked a marvelous idea to me. But WikiTravel gives only a very restricted choice of adresses etc. and therefore adresses chosen are publicity. If the choice means a judgment of quality, that is also not for encyclopedia wikipedia. And what is good today, is bad tomorrow. Or does wikipedia want to turn commercial? --[[User:Havang(nl)|Havang(nl)]] ([[User talk:Havang(nl)|talk]]) 14:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} --[[User:Kghbln|&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93;]] ([[User talk:Kghbln|talk]]) 15:45, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}}, for the same reasons as all the other opponents. Wikitravel is perfect enough. Why can't anybody '''''ignore''''' the ads? And besides, Wikitravel can get rid of it's own spam, but good editors leaving the site just exacerbates the spamfest. Wikitravelers who want to leave, leave. I don't care. I think this project is going to be a problem. I may be wrong, though. (Note: I am Wikipedia contributor Hillcrest98) [[Special:Contributions/174.95.254.215|174.95.254.215]] 15:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:Yes however this is an opportunity to bring Wikivoyage and Wikitravel editors back together and improve the non commercial philosophy of the editing community. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 16:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #::In point of fact, nobody even needs to ignore the small number of advertisements on Wikitravel; since the moment they were added to the site a few years ago, a user preference "Do not show ad column" has been available to all users. You can just turn the ads off and you will never see them.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 21:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} I think the WMF could over-stretch itself with this. [[User:Cloudbound|Cloudbound]] ([[User talk:Cloudbound|talk]]) 17:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} Why is this even being debated? This is outside the [[Mission statement|mission statement of the WMF]] to "develop educational content". A Travel Guide will fundamentally involve the organization and processing of opinionated statements. [[User:Jason Quinn|Jason Quinn]] ([[User talk:Jason Quinn|talk]]) 18:22, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Requests for new languages|Proposals for closing projects=Oppose|[[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose'''}} In my opinion a travel-project doesn´t fit with WMF / Also this project opens doors to advertisment / It cannot be objective. [[User:Bodhi-Baum|Bodhi-Baum]] ([[User talk:Bodhi-Baum|talk]]) 18:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # Yes, let's try to become the only site on the 'net! - [[User:Nabla|Nabla]] ([[User talk:Nabla|talk]]) 19:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # [[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|15px|Oppose]] '''Oppose''' Besides the already mentioned problems ("Out of wikimedia's educational scope", "May lead to fragmentation", "Costs too much ressources") of the previous opponents I think that Wikipedia contains already far more touristical information than the two "old" wikis Wikivoyage and Wikitravel - and IMHO also more information that the new wiki will ever have. <br /> #::Wikitravel english version has currently 26'000 articles, German wikivoyage (the largest language version there) has 12'000 articles. For comparison, if you search in en:wikipedia for tourism, you get 45'000 hits ("Tourism in Israel", "Ecotourism", "Climbing", "Tourism in metropolitan Detroit" are some of the top 50 hits).<br /> #::Most of the articles in both wikivoyage and wikitravel seem to be places (countries to towns). Quite many of these containing only a table of contents or general information which can also be found in wikipedia. For comparison: en:wikipedia contains alone 140'000 articles about cities (tool "categorycount" on category "cities by country" with search depth 4). Even if you count only every fourth article (to exclude double entries and touristically irrelevant cities) you would have more articles than wikitravel with all its additional articles about counties and countries. <br> And the wikipedia articles are often already quite useful for planning a vacation. For example I used it for planning a trip to London. In wikipedia you find the climate diagram, information about how far the airports are from the city centre and how to get from there to the centre, as well as information about when the Birmingham Palace is open to the public.<br /> #::So either the new Travelguide wiki would copy all this information (and every future change would have to be done twice: in wikipedia and travelguide). Or you try to separate the content - touristically relevant information in travelguide, other information in wikipedia. But how would you define "touristically relevant" and how would you enforce wikipedia editors to not enter "touristically relevant" information?<br /> #::And even if you decide that travelguide shall only contain information that is irrelevant for wikipedia, it won't work. For example if you decide to turn travelguide in a hotel database, it is hard to offer more entries than commercial sites. For comparison: wikivoyage has information about 10 hotels in London with one rating per hotel. booking.com has 1000 hotels in London with more than 100 ratings per hotel. <br /> #::So the main question is what travelguide really should become and how it will differ from wikipedia and its city articles on the one side and commerical rating sites / hotel databases on the other side. I think between these two poles there is only few space for project travelguide. <br /> #::A first step could be to create a special wikibook ("Travelguide to England" or an equivalent to "1000 places to see before you die") to get a feeling for the complexity of creating a free travelguide for the whole world in more than 10 languages. --[[User:Torsch|Torsch]] ([[User talk:Torsch|talk]]) 19:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # Travel guides? Aren't they all about personal preferences and tastes? The Wikipedia can strive for functionality since its ideals would be stripping the contributors off their irrational likes and dislikes. Travel guides wouldn't. The point of a travel guide is deciding someone else's course of action. Such project begs for being overtaken by some segregated group of pov-pushers, by definition. [[Special:Contributions/128.72.151.88|128.72.151.88]] 20:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<sup>this comment was written by [[:ru:Участник:Легат Ская]]</sup><br /> #Per reasons outlined above, just doesn't seem like it would work. Things about scope are more iffy, but without the resources to support existing projects effectively, adding another is a pile of unfortunateness waiting to happen. -— [[User:Isarra|Isarra]] [[User talk:Isarra|༆]] 20:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Very strong oppose/Tre forta kontraŭstaro''': It is better to integrate the travel information into the existing Wikipedia than to use ressources for a new mostly redundant project/vojaĝinformojn en la ekzistantan vikipedion ol foruzi energion kaj fortan por nova plejparte redundanta projekto![[User:DidiWeidmann|DidiWeidmann]] ([[User talk:DidiWeidmann|talk]]) 20:45, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # ''Oppose'' Empires fall when they extend their reach further than they can handle. [[User:WikiEditor709|WikiEditor709]] ([[User talk:WikiEditor709|talk]]) 00:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> #:By that logic, we're already extended too far (take a look at hundreds of inactive projects), so we might as well take on an active project which would only further Wikimedia's readership. It also really doesn't take much resource-wise to run a wiki... The big issue is editors, and we have plenty of those planning to join. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]]<small> ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 00:14, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose'''. A travel guide would not fit well at all as a Wikimedia project. Adding this would eliminate boundaries to what could become a Wikimedia project. Right now we have a reasonable number of projects dealing with large categories of education content. (Okay, we also have Wikispecies, but I think it's a reasonable expectation that that will be merged with Wikidata or something at some point.) A travel guide would simply be a collection of opinions about a small area of knowledge, unlike the other Wikimedia projects. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 22:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose'''. Wikipedia has enough problems keeping the main site running. And why should I donate money to help tourists? I would support it if it would finance itself, but not if it's based on donations like Wikipedia now! --[[User:Newsflash|Newsflash]] ([[User talk:Newsflash|talk]]) 22:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> # '''Oppose''' : from France ==> Wikipedia est une encyclopédie ! Pourquoi en faire un guide de voyage ? C'est ridicule ! [[User:Sg7438|Sg7438]] ([[User talk:Sg7438|talk]]) 07:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ===Abstention===<br /> *I don't quite understand what's being proposed here, several projects are mentioned but what would actually happen to them? Are they really willing to merge (including who administers the domains etc.) and how's possible? What overlaps are there between the projects? How many extensions and other non-Wikimedia supported code do these websites need? What's the proposed interaction/synergy between this new sister project and the others (I don't see any)? As it is, it seems a way to either kill the project by adding yet another wiki with specific needs which will never be addressed, or to spend an unknown amount of resources on it while we don't even manage to give basic support to the projects we already have. [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 11:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> *:Wikivoyage is willing to merge. They have voted to approve this at their last board meeting. The editors of WT want to be under a non profit. They would love to join us here at the WMF and have technical expertise that they would bring with them (ie many of them know how to program). The projects that are joining have very little overlap with each other.<br /> *:Have been in discussion with Eric Moeller and he states that the WMF is already running more than 600 wikis. Adding another 10 or 20 is not an issue either financially or with respect to work load for the IT department.[[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 14:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::The domain administrator/host of Wikitravel.org -- by far the largest part of this proposal -- does not support this fork, and will continue to operate the Wikitravel site as it stands today, regardless of the outcome of this proposal. There is very significant custom code associated with Wikitravel that is not open source, but proprietary to the host/owners of the Wikitravel domain and trademarks. It is important to consider not only the number of wikis that need to be supported, but their size and complexity; a small wiki might be nearly meaningless in its resource impact, but 9-year-old Wikitravel is one if the largest wikis in the world.<br /> <br /> :::In what way do Wikitravel and Wikivoyage have "very little overlap"? Wikivoyage is just a fork of a small segment of Wikitravel (German and Italian), plus content added since they forked; I'd conservatively guess half the content on the Wikivoyage site overlaps with content already available on Wikitravel, since that's where it came from.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 21:22, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::There is little overlap in that we do not need to merge content from the two. The German and Italian WV sites are much better than the WT ones. WT in German has no admins. The WT editors are leaving regardless of the decision here. They will form their own site if the WM does not wish to take this on. The admins of WT appear to disagree with your statement that there is "very significant custom code" [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 21:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::Ah, so you would copy the content from WV for German and Italian, and copy the rest from Wikitravel. With due respect, though, you may attempt to predict what might happen in the absence of this WMF fork proposal if you like, but I believe I will take your clairvoyance with a grain of salt; the future can be tricky to suss out. Maybe let's stick to what's actually being proposed here? <br /> <br /> :::::WRT the technical requirements of Wikitravel, we have amazing administrators who are responsible for the content of Wikitravel. They are not currently involved in the infrastructural development of the site, though we are exploring the possibility that they might like to contribute to it in the future (we've offered). Thus at present they may not be as familiar with the technical specs as the host itself is, but hopefully that will change.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 22:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Since a number of people supporting this proposal have been with WT a lot longer than Internet Brands and you yourself have made less than 50 edits (last time I looked) to WT I am not sure you are the best person to comment on technical issues. I believe that the lack of technical support of WT is why all the admins wish to leave to someplace else (that of course and the disagreement over commercialization of the site and its content) [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 22:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I am in fact the tech liaison between the community and the host. While I'm not a developer, I do actually work for Wikitravel. Our admins are indeed well informed generally, and awesome, and have a great deal more history with WT than I. But any lingering tech support concerns have been/are being addressed. You're probably looking at fork support votes that occurred a few months ago, before the upgrade, yes? I'd expect anyone concerned with working on a site that operates well will be very happy with today's Wikitravel, and if they had voted to fork with tech concerns in mind, they'd take another look and reconsider now.--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 22:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::You mean you work for Internet Brands. I am very well aware of the WT communities current feeling and they are not considering staying with IB. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) 23:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> :For a lost of extensions, see [[wikitravel:Special:Version]]. --[[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 11:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::: Every Wikitravel admin (to the best of my knowledge) on this list is voting in favour of this proposal. I'm not aware that any have reconsidered their position. Given the diversity and range of experiences of the WT community, gathering such a consensus is significant. --[[User:Inas66|Inas66]] ([[User talk:Inas66|talk]]) 00:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Comments ==<br /> ''Discussion about this RfC should take place in [[Talk:Requests for comment/Travel Guide|the talk page]]''<br /> <br /> [[Category:Proposed projects - travel]]</div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:9xl&diff=2926706 User:9xl 2011-09-24T08:36:20Z

<p>9xl: </p> <hr /> <div><div style="float:right;"> {{#Babel:de|en-2|es-1 }} </div><br /> <br /> I am mainly active in the german Wikipedia, so please contact me [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:9xl there].</div>

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<p>9xl: de.wikipedia</p> <hr /> <div>On de.wikipedia ISBN's are checked for formal correctness several times per year. See [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:APPER/ISBN this page], in german language, off course. Further checking, i. e. if the ISBN really belongs to the book referenced in the article, is not done. --[[User:9xl|9xl]] 09:21, 6 October 2007 (UTC)</div>

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9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:9xl&diff=640150 User:9xl 2007-08-03T16:09:15Z

<p>9xl: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Babel|de|en-2|es-1}}<br /> <br /> I am mainly active in the german Wikipedia, so please contact me [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:9xl there].<br /> <br /> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:9xl Wikipedia english] | [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:9xl Wikipedia español] | [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:9xl Wikipedia deutsch] | [http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/User:9xl Wikisource] | [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:9xl Commoms]</div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:9xl&diff=640041 User:9xl 2007-08-03T13:02:19Z

<p>9xl: + Babel</p> <hr /> <div>{{Babel|de|en-2|es-1}}<br /> <br /> I am mainly active in the german Wikipedia, so please contact me [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:9xl there].<br /> <br /> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:9xl Wikipedia english] | [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:9xl Wikipedia deutsch] | [http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/User:9xl Wikisource] | [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:9xl Commoms]</div>

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<p>9xl: </p> <hr /> <div>I am mainly active in the german Wikipedia, so please contact me [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:9xl there].<br /> <br /> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:9xl Wikipedia english] | [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:9xl Wikipedia deutsch] | [http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/User:9xl Wikisource] | [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:9xl Commoms]</div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:9xl&diff=640033 User talk:9xl 2007-08-03T12:51:39Z

<p>9xl: New page: I am mainly active in the german Wikipedia, so please contact me [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:9xl there].</p> <hr /> <div>I am mainly active in the german Wikipedia, so please contact me [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:9xl there].</div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:9xl&diff=640032 User:9xl 2007-08-03T12:51:25Z

<p>9xl: </p> <hr /> <div>I am mainly active in the german Wikipedia, so please contact me [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:9xl there].<br /> <br /> [http://en.wikipedia.org/User:9xl Wikipedia english] | [http://de.wikipedia.org/User:9xl Wikipedia deutsch] | [http://de.wikisource.org/User:9xl Wikisource] | [http://commons.wikimedia.org/User:9xl Commoms]</div>

9xl https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:9xl&diff=640025 User:9xl 2007-08-03T12:40:14Z

<p>9xl: new</p> <hr /> <div>[http://en.wikipedia.org/User:9xl Wikipedia english] | [http://de.wikipedia.org/User:9xl Wikipedia deutsch] | [http://de.wikisource.org/User:9xl Wikisource] | [http://commons.wikimedia.org/User:9xl Commoms]</div>

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