Wikiquote - User contributions [en]

Category:Wikiquote help

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[[Category:Wikiquote]]

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Help:Contents

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'''[[Wikiquote:FAQ|Frequently Asked Questions]]'''
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<big>'''Getting started'''</big> 
[[Wikiquote:Welcome, newcomers|Welcome!]] <tt>|</tt> [[Wikiquote:Sandbox|Sandbox]] <tt>|</tt> [[Wikiquote:Requested entries|Requested entries]]
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<big>'''[[Wikiquote:Policies and guidelines|Policies and guidelines]]'''</big> 
[[Wikiquote:Wikiquote|What Wikiquote is]] <tt>|</tt> [[Wikiquote:What Wikiquote is not|What Wikiquote is not]]
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<big>'''Browsing Wikiquote'''</big> 
[[Wikiquote:Searching|Search for an article]] <tt>|</tt> [[Wikiquote:Browse|Browse by category]]
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<big>'''Communication methods'''</big> 
[[Wikiquote:Village pump|Village pump]] <tt>|</tt> [[Wikiquote:Talk page|Talk pages]]
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<big>'''Editing Wikiquote'''</big> 
[[Wikiquote:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]] <tt>|</tt> [[Help:Starting a new page|Starting a new page]]
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<big>'''[[Wikiquote:Wikiquotians|The Wikiquote community]]'''</big> 
[[Wikiquote:Civility|Resolving disputes]] <tt>|</tt> [[Wikiquote:Community Portal|Community Portal]]
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<big>'''Links'''</big> 
[[Help:Link|How to make links]] <tt>|</tt> [[Help:Interwiki linking|Interwiki linking]]
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<big>'''Resources and lists'''</big> 
[[Wikiquote:Stub|Stubs]] <tt>|</tt> [[:Category:Wikiquote maintenance|Maintenance]]
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<big>'''Editing guidelines'''</big> 
[[Wikiquote:Guide to layout|Guide to layout]] <tt>|</tt> [[Wikiquote:Manual of style|Manual of Style]] <tt>|</tt> [[Wikiquote:Templates|Templates for editing]]
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<big>'''Account settings and maintenance'''</big> 
[[Help:Preferences|Change your preferences]] <tt>|</tt> [[Wikiquote:Sign your posts on talk pages|Change your signature]]
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<big>'''Keeping track of changes'''</big> 
[[Help:Page history|Page history]] <tt>|</tt> [[Help:User contributions|User contributions]] <tt>|</tt> [[Wikiquote:Vandalism|Vandalism]]
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<big>'''Technical information'''</big> 
[[Wikiquote:Bots|Bots]] <tt>|</tt> [[m:Help:Index|MediaWiki user's guide]]
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<big>'''Where to ask questions'''</big> 
'''[[Wikiquote:Village pump|Village pump]]''' - for questions on how to use Wikiquote. 
'''[[Wikiquote:Reference desk|Reference Desk]]''' - for general knowledge questions
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Wikiquote:About

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'''[[w:Wikiquote|Wikiquote]]''' is a [[w:Free content|free]] [[w:compendium|compendium]] of [[w:quotations|quotations]] that is being written collaboratively by the readers, run by the Florida based non-profit organization Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
The site is a [[w:WikiWiki|WikiWiki]], meaning that anyone, including you, can edit any entry right now by clicking on the ''edit this page'' link that appears in every Wikiquote entry.
The project was started on June 27, 2003. There are {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles in the [[w:English language|English]] language Wikiquote that are being worked on, and versions of Wikiquote in [[Wikiquote:Other language Wikiquotes|other languages]] are being developed.
Every day many contributors from around the world can make hundreds of edits and create many new articles.

All of the site's content created by Wikiquote editors is covered by the [[w:GNU Free Documentation License|GNU Free Documentation License]]. Contributions remain the property of their creators, while the [[w:copyleft|copyleft]] licensing ensures that the content will always remain freely distributable and reproducible. Some quotation content may be copyrighted or in the public domain depending where it was taken from. See [[Wikiquote:Copyrights|copyrights]] for more information.

'''Press inquiries:''' <div style="font-size:130%;padding-bottom:.5em">
* Inquiries from '''[[Foundation:Press room|members of the press]]''' about Wikiquote
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For help, please ask at the '''[[Village pump]]''', or find some other contact details at our sister project, '''[[w:Wikipedia:Contact us|Wikipedia:Contact us]]'''.

''Note:'' Wikiquote contains content that may be considered offensive, vulgar or profane by some users.
See the [[Wikiquote:General disclaimer|general disclaimer]] for more information.

== More about Wikiquote ==

It would seem almost strange that anyone can edit anything, because there's always the potential of reckless "spammers", or annoying "deleters", yet the integrity of Wiki seems to remain.

* [[Wikiquote]], an article about quotations and why they are important.
* [[w:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia Foundation]], the non-profit parent organization of Wikiquote and similar projects.
* [[Wikiquote:FAQ|Frequently asked questions]]
* [[Wikiquote:History of Wikiquote|History of Wikiquote]]
* [[Wikiquote:Announcements|Announcements]]

== Exploring Wikiquote ==
* [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]], see articles that are being worked on right now.
* [[Special:Randompage|Random article]]
* [[Special:Newpages|New articles]]

== Contributing to Wikiquote ==

* [[Wikiquote:Welcome, newcomers|Welcome, newcomers!]], a starting point for new contributors.
* [[Wikiquote:Policies and guidelines|Policies and guidelines for contributors]]
* [[Wikiquote:Help|Help pages]], help on editing articles and more.

== Getting in touch ==

* [[Wikiquote:Village pump|Village pump]], a forum to ask questions not answered in the [[Wikiquote:FAQ|FAQs]] or [[Wikiquote:Help|help pages]].
* [[w:Wikipedia:Bug reports|Bug reports and feature requests]]
* [[Wikiquote:Wikiquotians|Wikiquotians]], lists of Wikiquote contributors.
* [http://meta.wikimedia.com/ Meta-Wiki], a site that works alongside the Wikimedia projects. Here you can post essays and discussions about topics related to any of Wikimedia projects.

== Other language versions ==

* '''Wikiquote in other languages''' - [[Wikiquote:Other language Wikiquotes|other languages]]

== Our sister projects ==
* [http://www.wikipedia.org Wikipedia], a multilingual Wiki encyclopedia. (See [[w:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] for background)
* [http://wiktionary.org Wiktionary], a multilingual Wiki dictionary and thesaurus. (See [[w:Wiktionary|Wiktionary]] for background)
* [http://wikisource.org Wikisource], a collection of public domain source texts. (See [[w:Wikisource|Wikisource]] for background)
* [http://wikibooks.org Wikibooks], a collection of free, open content textbooks, manuals and other texts. (See [[w:Wikibooks|Wikibooks]] for background)

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Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

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'''''[[w:Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince|Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince]]''''' is the sixth book in the [[Harry Potter]] series, written by [[w:J.K. Rowling|J.K. Rowling]]. It was first published in 2005.

*'''Prime Minister''': But for heaven's sake — you're ''wizards''! You can do ''magic''! Surely you can sort out — well — ''anything!'' '''Cornelius Fudge''': The trouble is, the other side can do magic too, Prime Minister.
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': I would assume that you were going to offer me refreshment, but the evidence so far suggests that that would be optimistic to the point of foolishness.
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': And now, Harry, let us step out into the night and pursue that flighty temptress, adventure.
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': We must try not to sink beneath our anguish, Harry, but battle on.
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': I take my hat off to you— or I would, if I were not afraid of showering you in spiders.
*'''Severus Snape''': Avada Kedavra!
*'''Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes advertisement''': Why Are You Worrying about You-Know-Who? You SHOULD Be Worrying About U-NO-POO — the Constipation Sensation That's Gripping the Nation!
*'''Draco Malfoy''': Who blacked your eye, Granger? I want to send them flowers.
*'''Mrs. Weasley''': Promise me you'll look after yourself ... stay out of trouble... '''Harry Potter''': I always do, Mrs. Weasley, I like a quiet life, you know me.
*'''Harry Potter''': There's no need to call me 'sir,' Professor. ''(to Severus Snape)''
*'''Draco Malfoy''': You'd better hurry up, they'll be waiting for 'the Chosen Captain' — 'The Boy Who Scored'— whatever they call you these days.
*'''Harry Potter''': What did you have to imitate [Hermione] for? '''Ron Weasley''': She laughed at my moustache! '''Harry Potter''': So did I, it was the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
*'''Narrator''': Harry was left to ponder in silence the depths to which girls would sink to get revenge.
*'''George Weasley''': Well, we find we appreciate you more and more, Mum, now we're washing our own socks.
*'''Celestina Warbeck''': Oh, come and stir my cauldron, And if you do it right I'll boil you up some hot, strong love To keep you warm tonight.
*'''Scrimgeour''': I see you are— '''Harry Potter''': Dumbledore's man through and through. That's right.
*'''The Half-Blood Prince''': Just shove a bezoar down their throats.
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': Age is foolish and forgetful when it underestimates youth.
*'''Ron Weasley''': Believe me, being dead will have improved him a lot. ''(about Aragog)''
*'''Hermione Granger''': Dumbledore says people find it far easier to forgive others for being wrong than being right.
*'''Narrator''': But he understood at last what Dumbledore had been trying to tell him. It was, he thought, the difference between being dragged into the arena to face a battle to the death and walking into the arena with your head held high. Some people, perhaps, would say that there was little to choose between the two ways, but Dumbledore knew — ''and so do I'', thought Harry, with a rush of fierce pride, ''and so did my parents'' — that there was all the difference in the world.
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': It is the unknown we fear when we look upon death and darkness, nothing more.
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': Time is making fools of us again.

*'''Harry Potter''': We're nearly there...I can Apparate us both back...don't worry...
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': I am not worried, Harry. I am with you.

*'''Severus Snape''': You dare use my own spells against me, Potter? It was I who invented them — I, the Half-Blood Prince!
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': Don't you see? Voldemort himself created his worst enemy, just as tyrants everywhere do! Have you any idea how much tyrants fear the people they oppress? All of them realize that, one day, amongst their many victims, there is sure to be one who rises against them and strikes back!
*'''Ron Weasley''': Excuse me, are you the imprint of a departed soul?
*'''Luna Lovegood''': The Aurors are part of the Rotfang Conspiracy, I thought everyone knew that. They're working from within to bring down the Ministry of Magic with a combination of dark magic and gum disease.
*'''Severus Snape''': It is finished.
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': I do like knitting patterns.
*'''Ron''': Only time I've ever seen Dad as angry as Mum. Fred reckons his left buttock has never been the same since. '''Harry''': Yeah, well, passing over Fred's left buttock— '''Fred''': I beg your pardon? '''Narrator''': said Fred's voice as the twins entered the kitchen. '''Fred''': Aaah, George, look at this. They're using knives and everything. Bless them.
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': Severus... please...
*'''Ron Weasley''': Hope you hammer McClag — er — Smith.
*'''Harry Potter''': He will only be gone from the school when none here are loyal to him. ''(about Dumbledore)''
*'''Severus Snape''': Don't call me COWARD! Your father only took me on when it was four to one. What would you call him?
*'''Lord Voldemort''': Greatness inspires envy, envy engenders spite, spite spawns lies.
*'''Narrator''': Harry looked around; there was Ginny running towards him; she had a hard, blazing look in her face as she threw her arms around him. And without thinking, without planning it, without worrying about the fact that fifty people were watching, Harry kissed her.
*'''Hermione Granger''': Oh, come on, Harry, it's not Quidditch that's popular, it's you! You've never been more interesting, and frankly, you've never been more fanciable.
*'''Albus Dumbledore''': (to Harry) Let us not deprive Molly any longer of the chance to deplore how thin you are.
*'''Ginny Weasley''': I wouldn't go in the kitchen just now. There's a lot of Phlegm around. 
'''Harry Potter''': I'll be careful not to slip in it.
*'''Ginny Weasley''': Three dementor attacks in a week, and all Romilda Vane does is ask me if it's true you've got a hippogriff tatooed across your chest. 
'''Harry Potter''': What did you tell her? 
'''Ginny Weasley''': I told her it's a Hungarian Horntail. Much more macho. 
'''Harry Potter''': Thanks, and what did you tell her Ron's got? 
'''Ginny Weasley''': A Pygmy Puff, but I didn't say where.
*'''Ron Weasley''': Well, you can't break an unbreakable vow.
'''Harry Potter''': I figured that much out for myself, funnily enough.
*'''Ginny Weasley''': (to Ron) What about you and Lavender, thrashing about like a pair of eels all over the place?"
*'''Professor Trelawney''': "Everything went pitch-black and the next thing knew I was being hurled headfirst out of the room!" 
'''Harry Potter''': "And you didn't see that coming?" said Harry unable to help himself.
*'''Ron Weasley''':Thanks-er, why do I need socks?
*'''Harry Potter''': He accused me of being Dumbledore's man through and through. 
'''Dumbledore''': How very rude of him. 
'''Harry Potter''': I told him I was.

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Category:Activists

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Category:Wikiquote maintenance

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For maintenance, [[Wikiquote:Useful links]] may give you an insight.

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Category:Disambiguation pages

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This is a list of disambiguation pages.

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Wikiquote:Template messages

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[[w:Template|Template]]s are used within articles to provide a consistent look to the messages placed into them. Changes to the look, wording, or style of the message can be implemented quickly, because templates are rendered for the reader when the article loads. Spaces in the name are allowed, e.g. <nowiki>{{train topics}}</nowiki>. The first character (only) is not case-sensitive, so <nowiki>{{cleanup}} and {{Cleanup}}</nowiki> both work. This technique is commonly known as [[w:transclusion|transclusion]].

Templates can also accept [[m:Templates#Parameters|parameters]] which are then inserted into the output of the template.

Templates in the article namespace exist only to help readers. These can include navigation aids, or warnings that content is sub-standard. Templates that provide information only of service to editors belong on an article's talk page.

'''''Instructions''' : When you add new template messages to this page, please help keep the tables in alphabetical order.''

== Other template messages ==
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* [[/Template|Template messages]]

==Article-related namespace==

''Please list '''navigational templates''' (as, for example, between pages relating to a specific topic) at [[w:Wikipedia:Navigational templates|Wikipedia:Navigational templates]].

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Wikiquote talk:Votes for deletion

2007-05-08T10:14:29Z

Pene Naranjo: Wikiquote talk:Votes for deletion moved to Wikiquote talk:House of Buttfucks

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== Trial update of WQ:SD now live ==

The long-delayed overhaul of [[Wikiquote:Speedy deletions]] is now live, for a 1-month trial period. Please read the new policy page before nominating any pages for either speedy or [[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion|standard deletion]], and discuss the new policy at [[Wikiquote talk:Speedy deletions]]. Thank you. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 19:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:We've now had a couple of months' experience with this new policy, and it seems to be doing the job. I suggest it's time to make it permanent. [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] 15:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
::Seconded. Seems to have caused no new problems while solving many old ones. [[User:Fys|Fys]]. [[User:Fys|Ta]] [[Special:Contributions/Fys|fys]] [[User talk:Fys|aym]]. 17:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

::: A better place to point this out is [[Wikiquote talk:Speedy deletions#Trial period results]], so I'll copy the above responses there. I recommend further discussion take place there, too. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 18:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

== Some thoughts about a recurring issue ==

One of the most commonly deleted sorts of articles are those with only a small number of quotes none of which are sourced. We should somehow make it clearer to contributors (especially those who aren't one of the six of us who regularly participate in VFD discussions) that a stub with no sourced quotes is very likely to be deleted, ''even if the subject is notable''. In order to stand, a stub really needs to have at least one sourced quote (and preferably two or three) in order to establish quoteworthiness and potential verifiability. (It's way past my bedtime so forgive me if this doesn't make much sense.) [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] 08:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

== "Speedy keep" ==

In one recent vote, where a page was created with no quotes and nominated for deleted in that condition, but quotes were later added, I have tried out changing my vote to "speedy keep" instead of a plain "keep". I think that this is a reasonable vote when the problems cited in the nomination have been resolved, and the page is virtually certain to be kept. (This might also be useful if ever we have the case of bad-faith nominations.) Does anyone have any objections to this? —[[User:LrdChaos|LrdChaos]] ([[User talk:LrdChaos|talk]]) 14:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
* I think it's probably a good idea, especially in cases like this one ([[Viktor schauberger]]). I've seen this happen before, and even though it was obvious that the page would be kept, we had to wait for the process to complete. I would support a speedy keep, for use with VFD nominations that are either obviously going to be kept, or for bad-faith nominations. ~ [[User:UDScott|UDScott]] 14:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

**Certainly bad faith nominations (we don't get a lot of those), but quite often VfD is used as a way of raising problems with a page which is clearly for a notable subject with a lot of possible quotes. For example [[Haile Selassie]] was recently nominated. As written it was deletable, but because it was cleaned up and replaced with a perfectly good page during the VfD, it became a clear keep vote. I think in such cases a speedy keep would be appropriate. It would best not being applied to things like [[Warcraft]] where an alternative, slimmed version was produced during VfD, though. [[User:Fys|Fys]]. [[User:Fys|Ta]] [[Special:Contributions/Fys|fys]] [[User talk:Fys|aym]]. 15:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::: VfD closers are expected to use good judgment in closing, so "obvious" improvements to an article or bad-faith nominations certainly rate a speedy keep. The main reason we don't have some of these Wikipedia conveniences, I think, is that we have so very few folks who participate in VfDs and fewer sysops who close them that we tend to err on the side of rigid policy, which is infrequently updated. But I don't see having a speedy-keep practice being a controversy, except perhaps for apparent POV articles, and I believe our sysops will tread carefully with those. I support adding this to [[WQ:DP]] post-haste. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 21:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

== Deletion of Quotations for Wikiquote ==

I had a question about deleting quotes. I had submitted one by Sami Beg but it was marked as one that should be deleted unless proof was submitted the he has been quoted by the media. Dr. Beg writes articles for ABCNews and here are some links:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Flu/story?id=2744696&page=1

http://cms.clevelandclinic.org/urology/body.cfm?id=6&action=detail&ref=542

Please let me know if these are sufficient to prove the authors credibility.

Thanks

—''The preceding unsigned comment was added to [[WQ:VFD]] by {{user|68.160.32.154}} 14:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC), and transferred here by [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 21:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC).''

: The article in question was actually [[Sami Bég]], created by {{user|Freedomskr}}, and its deletion discussion is at [[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Sami Bég]]. I'll take some space to describe what went wrong with this article, and how to fix it.
:# The subject line said merely: "Quotations by Sami Bég, MD". VfD researchers were unable to uniquely identify this person, and the quote gave no hints to distinguish the possibilities, so they drew the conclusion that this person wasn't especially notable.
:# The sole quote was: "It is our similarities that should make us want to be different and our differences that should make us want to be alike." It had no source, which further prevented any identification of the quotee or verification of the quote and its origin. Furthermore, such sentiments are routinely posted to articles every day by what we call "vanity" editors — people without demonstrated notability who are quoting themselves. These quotes are deleted upon discovery unless there is at least a reasonable hope the quotee is actually notable.
:# The article was nominated for deletion, with a notice prominently displayed at the top of the article, including links to the discussion. The original editor never attempted to comment there or add information to the article that would help the community determine whether the article was worth keeping.
: In short, the article was indistinguishable from a garden-variety vanity-quote article. With the citations given above, it now seems that this person is at least ''arguably'' notable. It's not a sure thing, because Bég seems to be an M.D., possibly a very new one (not likely notable) who writes for ABC News (most reporters do not rise to clear notability by Wikimedia standards, which means they are often the source of quotes by others but not necessarily quoted themselves). The way to create a Wikiquote article that gives the subject the best chance of passing a deletion review is:
:# Make sure the subject is clearly and uniquely identified. If they have a Wikipedia article, include a link to it in the introductory paragraph. If they don't, creating one will not only help make the case, but will give Wikipedians, a vastly larger group of editors, a chance to review, expand, and discuss the article. If the subject is insufficiently notable, the article may be deleted there, but if not, it can help Wikiquotians consider notability. In any case, we must know who the subject is.
:# Assemble several quotes with proper sources '''before''' you try to create the article. Quoteless articles are often speedily deleted. (That happened to another, quoteless version of this article, [[Sami Beg]] [without the accent].) People with only a single notable quote don't make for good Wikiquote articles. Sourcing quotes (i.e., providing citations as you did above) not only make it easier to [[w:WP:V|verify]] the quote, a critical part of information in any Wikimedia article, but also help to identify the quotee and demonstrate notability.
:# Create the article using the proper [[wikt:boilerplate|boilerplate]] template. (In this case, it's [[Wikiquote:Templates/People]].) The easiest way to do this is to use the "Add new person" input box at [[Help:Starting a new page]], under "Using input box". (It's a very good idea to read this entire help page first.) The input box will create an article with the name you enter in the input field, with all the text from the People template pre-added. You only need to replace the boilerplate text with the details for your subject, preview it to ensure it looks just as you expect, and then save it.
: These steps will help considerably in making a decent quote article. In this case, they won't guarantee it will be kept, as this doctor-reporter is not ''obviously'' notable, but they should at least justify a second consideration of the subject. (Do the job well, and the overworked maintenance editors may just give you and the article the benefit of the doubt. Many of us are [[m:Inclusionism|inclusionists]] at heart, not wanting to delete any article that shows real potential.) ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 22:19, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

== Discussion extensions ==

I'm sure I remember setting some policy about extending VfD discussions as part of the overhaul that changed the term from 14 days to 7 days, but I can't find the discussions here or at [[Wikiquote talk:Deletion policy]] at the moment. As I recall, we'd talked about restricting extensions to sysops and requiring a justification for them, so we could avoid unhappy editors merely extending VfDs to avoid deletions and arguing about arbitrary extensions or failures to extend.

With non-sysop [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] reasonably extending a close vote, and several frequent VfD sysop participants noticeably absent from some or all of recent VfDs, I believe we not only should firmly establish a policy, but also possibly reconsider our practice (or what I ''thought'' was our policy). Opinions? ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 15:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

: So far, I've found some discussion of this back in June/July 2005, archived at [[Wikiquote talk:Votes for deletion/Archive/1#Term of votes|"Term of votes"]] and [[Wikiquote talk:Votes for deletion/Archive/1#Interlim|"Interlim"]] ''[sic]'' under the larger topic "Improvement of Votes for deletion" in WQt:VfD archive 1. Aphaia and I talked about how to formalize this, but it never made it into either the Summer 2005 changes or last year's overhaul. Let's talk about this now. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 15:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

:: Proposal:
::: ''Any editor may extend discussion from seven to fourteen days by updating the close date and adding an explanation of why the extension was made and by whom. Any admin may extend discussion for an additional week if warranted. A discussion may warrant extension if no consensus is reached on the article's disposition, if the article is significantly updated or restructured, or in other circumstances where some VfD participants may be uncertain or new information arises. A discussion may be extended by a shorter time period without comment by any editor in order to align close times of requests submitted the same day, or when related articles are added to an existing nomination (so that all articles included in the nomination are given the full seven days). When a discussion is extended, the nomination and discussion should be re-sorted within [[WQ:VFD]] to keep the close dates in chronological order.''
:: I think that essentialy restates our current unwritten practice. [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] 05:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

: I happen to disagree with the idea that it should be OK for non-sysops, however well-meaning or in the right they may be, to extend a VFD discussion. I think that anything relating to the close of a VFD, whether it be actually closing the vote (as scheduled or early) or extending it, should be left only for sysops, just to ensure that there's some reasonable measure in place to ensure that the behavior is not ripe for abuse. The wording given by 121a0012 doesn't account for that, and it seems like it could allow for one editor to keep a vote open indefinitely by repeatedly extending it; even the wording were changed to disallow multiple extensions from the same non-sysop user, it's easy enough to get around with an array of sockpuppets.
::I'm not sure where you get that idea, since my proposal only allows the vote to be extended twice, and only one by a non-admin, for a maximum time of three weeks from the original nomination. What part was unclear? [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] 20:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
: We've seen cases where people who have come to VFD and expected it to be a "one man, one vote" sort of thing where the outcome with the most votes is automatically the case. There have been cases where a lot of anon editors have come to vote to keep articles that have ended up deleted, and the raw number of delete votes was less than or equal to the number of keep votes. Despite our policy saying as much, many people don't grasp that (especially those who are "single page" participants in Wikiquote) and so they might decide that it's OK to extend a vote where the ''community'' consensus is in favor of one outcome, but the overall number of votes (including anons & sockpuppets) is roughly even.
: [[WQ:VFD#Voting on deletions]] states (in regard to closing votes):
:: Sysops have the responsibility of judging the results based on a variety of factors, including (besides the votes) policies, practices, precedents, arguments, compromises between conflicting positions, and seriousness of the participants.
: I think that the choice about whether to extend a vote involves the same factors; I'd think it somewhat odd to have one set of standards for closing a vote, and another for keeping it open beyond the appointed time.
: In short, while I know that there are well-meaning and understanding editors without sysop status, like 121a0012, these people are by far the exception rather than the rule (as most of these editors end up becoming sysops). We still have sysops around at VFD, and from my experience, the ones who do most of the VFD-closing work (myself and Jeff, primarily) are still active there, so I don't think there's much need to worry about a vote being closed when it perhaps shouldn't have been, as we both seem to be pretty good at extending votes when it seems necessary (either through an inconclusive week of voting, or several key absences from voting and a not-entirely-clear consensus. —[[User:LrdChaos|LrdChaos]] ([[User talk:LrdChaos|talk]]) 15:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with keeping it for sysops. Otherwise it's leaving it open for potential chaos... [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 18:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== New VfD nomination method, trial ==
'''''Moved from [[WQ:VP]]''''' '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 18:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I've set things up so that we can give a trial run to a WP-like VFD nomination process. I've given instructions at [[User:LrdChaos/Nominating a page for deletion]], but the short version is this:
# Use '''{{tl|vfd-new}}''' instead of {{tl|vfd}}.
# Click the "this page's entry" link to create a subpage.
# Paste '''<nowiki>{{subst:vfd-new2| pg=PAGENAME| text=REASON}}</nowiki>''', replacing PAGENAME with the page's name and REASON with the explanation (signing with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
# Edit [[WQ:VFD]] and add '''<nowiki>{{subst:vfd-new3|PAGENAME}}</nowiki>''' at the bottom.
<s>In just writing up these steps, I realized one thing I need to account for (adding a section-level header), so I might move vfd-new2 to vfd-new3 and create a new vfd-new2.</s> I'd like a couple of people to try it out and let me know if they run into any problems or see a better way to do things. —[[User:LrdChaos|LrdChaos]] ([[User talk:LrdChaos|talk]]) 17:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

: I've just revised this with a WP-like step 2. —[[User:LrdChaos|LrdChaos]] ([[User talk:LrdChaos|talk]]) 17:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
::It seems to be working well, there are 2 examples of it currently on [[WQ:VFD]]. [[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]] 19:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

::: I'll second Cbrown1023's statement. I hope everyone who uses VfD will consider nominating some problem articles and/or commenting on the discussions so we can get some good feedback on this new system. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 19:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

:::: I have one comment already: I don't like the way votes don't show up in the history of [[WQ:VFD]]. I use the history extensively to figure out what activity has taken place in the VFD discussions, and it doesn't make sense to me to have to add ''every single subpage'' to my watchlist just to find out when people people comment on an entry I'm only peripherally interested in. [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] 05:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

::::: 121a0012 makes a good point. I'll throw in a counterpoint I'm running into as I clean up our archived VfD discussions in preparation to log them all using the new system. When all the discussions are editable on a single page, even experienced editors, while commenting on or closing multiple discussions, have a tendency to forget some of their signatures. This causes problems figuring out who said what, and who's responsible for the closures. Checking the page history, which is supposed to be ''better'' this way, is also rendered much more difficult when one edits several discussions at once. The lesser convenience of having separate pages per discussion also provides fewer opportunities for mistakes and makes it ''far'' easier to correct them when they're made. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 10:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I have another comment after using the new process for the first time. I like the way this works, but I found one quirk (unless I did something wrong). I had to go back in and edit the nomination after I created it just so that I could add a close date and register my vote, whereas in the old process I did this at the same time I created the nomination on the VFD page. Not a big deal, but not quite as smooth a process as I had hoped. ~ [[User:UDScott|UDScott]] 14:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::: You can still add the close time/initial vote at the same time as the initial nomination. The way I've done is to put the nomination (explanation) as the "text" parameter of the vfd-new2 template, and then put the close time and initial vote outside the template as normal. —[[User:LrdChaos|LrdChaos]] ([[User talk:LrdChaos|talk]]) 15:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::: That's what I've been doing, too. There's more on this and related issues at [[Template talk:Vfd-new2#Adding closures and nominator votes]]. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 22:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

::::: I happen to disagree, and think that it's actually easier to keep track of what's going on in a particular VFD discussion with the new method. I know it doesn't happen often, but occasionally we'll get a VFD that attracts all sorts of people, who add comments with no signatures and who sometimes change or remove other people's votes. With the old method (edit histories for everything listed together), it can be a little hard to wade through what's going on, especially when other users are interacting with the page (new nominations, comments in other discussions, etc.). With the new method, it's easy to keep track of how people are affecting that vote in particular. What I like most about this is that, even if people use a blank edit summary, it's still easy to tell which discussion they were editing. At present, the only way to tell is to look at the diff, and then figure out which discussion it corresponded to (most often by seeing the title of the ''next'' discussion at the bottom of the diff).
::::: I know there are a couple of people who, in the past, have just edited the whole "Deletion candidates" section and added several votes in one go. The new system will be more inconvenient for them, but it'll make it more clear which discussions they're voting on (an edit summary of "+votes" isn't very helpful for figuring that out when they've voted on 5-6 nominations in one go).
::::: I suppose it really comes down to differences in the way that people use VFD (and the History); it seems that you, 121a0012, prefer to have it all in one place. That has the advantage that you're able to look through the last 50/100/whatever edits to VFD in one shot. I, on the other hand, don't really use it that way; I'm usually looking for an edit to a specific section (usually to add a missing signature) and to me there's a lot of unnecessary clutter in having every other VFD edit listed on that same page. I'm not sure that there's really anything we can do that'll make both methodologies happy, though. —[[User:LrdChaos|LrdChaos]] ([[User talk:LrdChaos|talk]]) 18:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::I've created my first VfD under the new method. Seems fine to me. - [[User:InvisibleSun|InvisibleSun]] 18:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I've just tried the new system for the first time, and seem only to have created a new page called [[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Leana Benson]]. Where did I go wrong? [[User:Antiquary|Antiquary]] 21:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:You just forgot the last step, adding it to the [[WQ:VFD]] page with <code>{{subst:[[Template:vfd-new3|vfd-new-3]]|pg=Leana Benson}}</code>. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 22:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
::Silly me. Thanks. [[User:Antiquary|Antiquary]] 22:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

===VfD-new2 "Vote closes" time===
I've added a new feature using [[meta:ParserFunctions|parser functions]] that automatically addes a vote closing time 7 days and the exact hour from the nomination time. I'd like to get feedback on this. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 01:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

: I'll check it out soon, but I would recommend you post this information at [[Template talk:Vfd-new2]], where a technical discussion would be more appropriate. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 03:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
::I was thinking about that, but I thought that it would get more notice here (because, as you have said, WQ:VFD and WQ:VP are where most of the action occurs). ''Posted there as well.'' '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 03:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Or we are better to move to [[Wikiquote talk:Votes for deletion]]? Anyway discussions related to VfD may be best to be archived to it at last. [[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 04:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

:::: Actually, Aphaia is right. We should have a general discussion of any significant change to the VfD process at [[Wikiquote talk:Votes for deletion]], with a pointer from here to there. Usually I make a point of ensuring this coverage, but I've been admittedly sloppy of late as I stumble through a backlog of work. I suggested somewhere else (my fogged brain isn't pulling up the location) that we should make an announcement once we feel we have a general consensus about using the new system officially, to allow a final 2 weeks or so of comments, complaints, and suggestions before a decision. I would recommend starting a discussion at WQt:VfD that would (A) mention the transfer of discussion from here; (B) describe the new VfD system; (C) link to the pertinent templates and pages; (D) propose the end result if accepted by the community; and (E) establish a timeframe for a decision. At that point, the discussion here should be pointed there, and only announcements of status would take place here. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 05:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I haven't given this a live trial, but looking at the code it seems an excellent idea.--[[User:Cato|Cato]] 22:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
:This new feature is one of great improvements we've seen recently. Thanks, Cbrown1023! --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 05:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

== Where to put subpages? ==

Having just closed a VFD and added {{tl|vfd-kept}} to the appropriate talk page, I noticed one thing that's different with the new system vs. the old: the location of discussion subpages. Previously, these had been subpages of [[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive]]; under the new system they're subpages of [[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion]], and since the template was written for the old it doesn't work with the new. So, I started wondering if we should aim for some standardization. On the one hand, there are ''lots'' of old discussions under WQ:VFDArchive, and it would be a huge task to move them all and update the appropriate links. On the other hand, it doesn't make much sense for active discussions to be conducted under Archive, nor to move them there after the discussion has concluded. Any thoughts? —[[User:LrdChaos|LrdChaos]] ([[User talk:LrdChaos|talk]]) 17:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

:Why don't we just create a new template? Or we can subst all the previous ones and then update the template. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 17:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

:: We should have one place to find all discussions. It makes it easier to find discussions given the article title (a fact I use many times a week on Wikipedia).

:: I've thought about this shift in subpage location since we first talked about it last year at [[Wikiquote talk:Deletion policy#Major deletion revision]]. It won't be that hard to do a mass move of the old discussions and simply leave the redirects in place, like Wikipedia did when they switched from "VfD" to "Xfd" (at least for some discussions). I volunteer to execute the moves.

:: One unanswered question is whether we want to change "Votes" to "Pages" or something similar, but I'm thinking at the moment that, with all the textual references to "VfD" strewn around Wikiquote, inertia may be best, at least for now.

:: Incidentally, I should have all the old discussions logged under the new [[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Log]] system within a few days. [[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive]] (which usually is unable to display even the complete older set of discussions because of technical problems) should be rendered totally obsolete shortly. We also need to ratify the new log system as official policy. (So much cleanup work to do!) ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 17:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, there's more than you think. We still have a lot of draft policies that we need to make official. That's not even mentioning all the cleanup we should do. :) '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 18:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

== Deletion review ==

The template for closed discussions says "Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a '''deletion review'''", however the DRV link goes to Wikipedia, not a Wikiquote page. Also, the link is to [[w:Deletion review]], not [[w:Wikipedia:Deletion review]]. Do we even have a Deletion Review, and if not should we? In any case the link should be fixed. [[User:Koweja|Koweja]] 18:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

: The template should be fixed, but we don't yet have a [[Wikiquote:Deletion review]]. I had originally intended on writing a draft of this as part of the change from 14 days to 7 days for VfD discussion — see [[Wikiquote talk:Votes for deletion/Archive/1#Decrease of voting period|"Decrease of voting period"]] and [[Wikiquote talk:Votes for deletion/Archive/1#Major deletion revision|"Major deletion revision"]] in WQt:VFD archive 1. (There are also policy pages and discussions that mention [[Wikiquote:Votes for undeletion]], but we don't have quite the plethora of related pages Wikipedia does. We often pick a single title to collect the related concepts and go with that, and "WQ:DRV" has been the most recent focus, as much as a non-existent page title can be considered a focus.)

: Unfortunately, I've been suffering from an extended bout of wiki weariness, and have not tackled this challenge, nor has anyone else attempted it. This is but one of many unaddressed tasks hinted at in Cbrown1023 and my discussion above in [[Wikiquote talk:Votes for deletion#Where to put subpages?|"Where to put subpages?"]].

: To date, we've been recommending that complaints about deletions be posted to [[Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard]]. We've had perhaps only one or two of these, but one must suspect that the lack of a specific forum tends to discourage complaints, especially for Wikipedians. (I've often found myself half-hoping someone would just create a page with a complaint that would force us to deal with it. When people are overworked, the tyranny of urgency can be a powerful goad.)

: This deficit in policy is why I keep applying breaks to enthusiastic attempts to start new projects or major changes at Wikiquote. We have so many basic needs that we have yet to address, I fear stealing precious attention and effort away from dealing with these matters. And it's not just the work of any single person that's needed, although most big changes start with such an effort. Something arguably resembling a community consensus must be assembled to review, critique, amend, and approve anything a single person creates. This itself can be a major challenge. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 20:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
::In layman's terms, we are currently working a policy, but have a lot on our plates right now... also we don't have a great need for that policy particularly as of yet. Compared to our other ''large'' amount of items needing to be done, this is slightly down on the list. But don't worry, we will work on it and you are welcome to help out with the creation and critiquing. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 21:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

== New system template nominations ==

I've created a new template, {{tl|vfd-template-new}}, that handles nominating a template under the new, in-trial VFD system. Documentation is at [[User:LrdChaos/Nominating a template for deletion]], and is basically the same as nominating any other page. —[[User:LrdChaos|LrdChaos]] ([[User talk:LrdChaos|talk]]) 17:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

== Deferring official VfD change ==

I plan to remove the deadline for the discussion of changing to the new three-step VfD system from the current banner at the top of [[WQ:VFD]] because I do not believe we have sufficiently dealt with the questions and consequences of this system yet. Some outstanding issues:
* We do not yet have documentation, even preliminary, on the new process.
* Some of the templates have bugs in them.
* Issues have been raised on user talk pages that have not made it into general discussion.
Unless there are equally compelling reasons to defer such matters until an official change in policy, I will remove the date shortly and recommend we continue to operate informally until these matters are addressed. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 23:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
:Fine with me. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 00:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

:: By the way, Cbrown1023, I should have mentioned that I appreciate your attempt to follow my recommendation to set a date, and I apologize for doing an apparent 180-degree turn. I'm just concerned that our current date has turned out to be too soon, given all the stuff we're trying to process right now. I'm working on a list of issues I've seen pop up and hope to post them in some useful form here soon. But don't let that stop anyone from bringing up right away any problems or questions they've had. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 00:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

::: I've announced a postponement on this decision, with a suggestion that we may hope to complete it before the end of March. I would suggest not setting a specific date until we have all the issues posted here and have some discussion, solutions, and/or explicit decisions to defer resolutions. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 06:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Removed links to VfD'd articles ==

I'd like to remind everyone who deletes articles that we should first check "What links here" so we can remove links to these articles before deleting them, at least for those subjects that don't appear to have general notability. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 12:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:I confess I forgot it ... your remark is also applied for speedy. Thanks for your notice! --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 13:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Vfd-kept ==

I've just noticed that {{tl|vfd-kept}} links to the old form of <nowiki>[[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/PAGENAME]]</nowiki> rather than the new one of <nowiki>[[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/PAGENAME]]</nowiki>. As this template isn't subst:ed, rather than breaking a whole load of links it was necessary to create {{tl|vfd-kept-new}} for kept articles since the new procedure was introduced. I don't think there have been any other keeps under the new system but I will check their links are good. [[User:Fys|Fys]]. [[User:Fys|Ta]] [[Special:Contributions/Fys|fys]] [[User talk:Fys|aym]]. 08:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Concerns as we prepare to make the new system official ==

I'm going to post a series of observations I've made about questions and issues with the latest VfD system — including the 3-step nomination process, the separate discussion pages, and the log system that replaced the old WQ:VFDA system — and the process of changing from the old to the new. A quick status:

* Most everyone seems to be using the new system, with only occasional problems that are eventually fixed by others. Even without the issues addressed, we can probably make the switchover official if we have a consensus.

* I'm migrated most if not all of the discussions under "Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/" to use the new banner closure system (using the {{tl|vt}} and {{tl|vb}} wrappers). I'm pretty sure there are a few loose ends, but I'll try to knock them off in the next two weeks, at which point we can safely delete [[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive]].

Now for the questions and problems. I present them in condensed form, with the hope that others with more time and energy can either fix them or consider how they can be addressed.

* '''Template issues'''
** '''Bugs'''
*** {{tl|vfd-new}} uses <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> for "this page's dicussion" link, which eats namespace prefixes like Category:, Wikiquote:, Template:, and Image:. I believe this is easy to fix.
**** '''Fixed''' by changing PAGENAME to FULLPAGENAME
*** Some of the "vfd*" templates are not correctly working at least some of the time with either named or numbered parameters, an improvement in flexibility that LrdChaos added when porting the corresponding Wikipedia templates. The problem usually manifests itself as a step-2 discussion heading that looks like <code><nowiki>== [[{{{1|Jaswant Singh Khalra}}}]] ==</nowiki></code>. I've tried to fine-tune them, but have still seen occasional problems even after thoroughly testing at least one in the [[Template:X0|template sandbox]]. Someone with more patience and more template programming experience than I may need to take a look at this.
** '''Improvement''': We should implement WP's bold red warning message when someone fails to <code>subst:</code> the use of the vfd* templates.
***I added it to [[Template:Vfd-new2]], but it looks really weird when it is substituted... it isn't really needed at the other two. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 02:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
** '''Documentation''': Each template should have '''<code><nowiki><noinclude></nowiki></code>'''d "Usage" documentation.

* '''Conflicting practices'''
** [[WQ:VFD]] is in forward-chronological order, mainly to take advantage of the former "Submit a new request" link. The new monthly logs of old discussions are in reverse-chronological order, mainly (if I recall correctly) to match Wikipedia's order. This means that anyone archiving multiple discussions for a day (very common) must manually reverse the order of discussions. This seems like needless work. We should probably change one of them so both work in the same direction. I recommend reversing the logs. (I can understand arguments for either direction of the active discussions, but the logs are mainly for historical review, and whoever heard of a history written from newest to oldest?) I was conscious of this issue when I meticulously ordered the converted old archived discussions in the new logs, so I'd be confident I could reverse the order of everything I did with less than an hour's work, in case we go this way.
** We are now using HTML comments to group active discussions on WQ:VFD by nomination date. This arose from doing this for the logs, which begged for ''some'' division of as many as 80-100 entries per month. However, we also have a long-time practice of ordering active discussions by close date, including moving them to a new position when they are extended. One or the other of these practices must go because they are incompatible. We could: (A) stop moving discussions, which means long ones will remain at the top; (B) continue to order active discussions by close date, use HTML comments to group them that way, and force VFD closers to reorder them when archiving; (C) reorder the archived discussions by close date; or (D) something else someone might come up with. (A) is easy to execute and ordain as policy. (B) retains current ordering practices, but puts more of a burden on closers (not good, but better them than ordinary editors). (C) would be a large but one-time change. (I might be able to use my methods for the log conversion to help this, but I wouldn't look forward to it!) Anyone have any ideas for (D)? NOTE: The main problem occurs with vote extensions, not with speedy closures. We seem to be developing a practice of leaving speedy closures in place and archiving them with the other discussions of that close date. Since the new shading helps readers ignore closed discussions, that seems to be a non-problem.
** The old closure system had us replace the unsigned "Vote closes" line with a signed "Vote closed" line. This had some problems, partly from closers sometimes forgetting to sign the closure, but also from how to deal with extensions, which ought to have some record of the original date. The new system avoids these changes by placing a closure banner wrapper around the discussion, but we don't seem to be certain of whether or not to still do the largely (but not always completely) redundant change to "Vote closes". We should decide how we want the new system to operate, and should try to make it as simple as we can without losing important information.

* '''Policy and other documentation updates'''
** [[Wikiquote:Deletion policy]], last time I checked, was so out-of-date it didn't even include some year-old innovations and other informal practices that would help new sysops if they were documented. It should be re-examined from to top to bottom for significant revisions.
** We may now have enough sophistication in our deletion activity that we might want to split WQ:DP into "deletion policy", which would only say ''what'' and ''how'' to recommend for and discuss deletion, and "deletion process", to advise sysops on how to monitor and execute the process. (Or some similar split; I haven't thought it through yet.) We don't want to overburden casual VFD participants with anything more than the basic rules and how-tos, but our sysops need more detailed information that can't be found in the usual non-en-Wikiquote references.
*** One recurring problem that should be addressed (but currently isn't) is what to do with pages associated with to-be-deleted pages. We frequently fail to delete redirects, links from other pages (e.g., [[List of people by name]], [[Television shows]]), and article talk pages. There are several circumstances where one must make judgment calls on whether to do this, so we need guidelines.
** We still need a [[Wikiquote:Deletion review]] policy and page. I must apologize that I haven't started this as I'd hoped, but the need increases as we get more sysops with varying ideas about where to draw the inevitably blurry lines between VFD and speedy-deletion, and other judgment calls.
** I believe we still have no stated policy, however informal, on how we should do vote extensions, and what limits we should have on them. There have been a few discussions in various places, but we should have a thread devoted to resolving this policy issue.

* '''Miscellaneous'''
** At some point, we should move all the "Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/*" discussions to "Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/*", so that all our archives are in one place. The main hold-up here was trying to decide if we wanted to change "Votes" to something else, perhaps like "Pages", to parallel Wikipedia's change of focus (but without the division between namespaces).
** There are a number of places where the old VFDA forms may still be in use (as Fys points out above in "Vfd-kept"). We need to find and update all these to reflect current practices.
** It's uncommon, but while I was converting the archives to log entries, I found several archived discussions that had been improperly edited. It is not practical for anyone to add every deletion discussion to their watchlist. I'd like to brainstorm a way to monitor these pages so that sysop(s) might be altered if this is done. Or I suppose we could just protect them. (I might be overthinking this one.)
*** It is not as overthought as you may think (even though that sounds really weird :)), we could utilize cascading protection. However, I would recommend we not do that, because that would be a large strain on the servers. I don't really think it mattes that much... people don't look at them much and when they do, the users know how to revert vandalism. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 02:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

These are (most of) the deletion issues I've been musing about. I recommend that, instead of trying to insert discussions in-between the separate items, that folks who wish to tackle a particular issue excerpt or rephrase anything above that they find useful to kick off or otherwise add to new debates about resolving them or new notices to indicate that any particular problem has been resolved. But as I said above, we may just choose to make the new policy official before resolving any of them. We just need to be sure to deal with them (at least some of the most important ones) as well. (As for me, I know I'm more than 40 minutes late (or 7 weeks late, depending on which of my earlier statements you go by) delivering this list, but this finishes a 30-hour day for me, so I'll be snoozing for quite a while. ☺) ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 00:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

:I've given up on participating in the VFD process. The new system makes the revision history of [[WQ:VFD]] meaningless, and computing diffs by eyeball is a waste of time better spent doing something useful. It's been nice knowing you. [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] 02:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Quote of the day/May

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'''[[Wikiquote:Quote of the day/April|April]] << May [[#1|1]] [[#2|2]] [[#3|3]] [[#4|4]] [[#5|5]] [[#6|6]] [[#7|7]] [[#8|8]] [[#9|9]] [[#10|10]] [[#11|11]] [[#12|12]] [[#13|13]] [[#14|14]] [[#15|15]] [[#16|16]] [[#17|17]] [[#18|18]] [[#19|19]] [[#20|20]] [[#21|21]] [[#22|22]] [[#23|23]] [[#24|24]] [[#25|25]] [[#26|26]] [[#27|27]] [[#28|28]] [[#29|29]] [[#30|30]] [[#31|31]] >> [[Wikiquote:Quote of the day/June|June]]'''

This page lists quote of the day proposals specifically for dates in the month of '''[[w:May|May]]''', and quotes proposed should ideally have some relation to the day, or persons born on it, though sometimes exceptions can be made, usually for notable quotes that relate to recent events, such as the death of prominent individuals. Developing ideas of people or works to quote on specific days can be explored through the Wikipedia page: [[w:List of historical anniversaries|List of historical anniversaries]]. The numeric section heading of each date is also a direct link to the Wikipedia list of births, deaths, and other events which occured on that date.
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Ranking system:
:4 : '''Excellent''' - should definitely be used. (Perhaps, at most, only one quote per day should be ranked thus by any user, as to avoid confusions.)
:3 : '''Very Good''' - strong desire to see it used.
:2 : '''Good''' - some desire to see it used.
:1 : '''Acceptable''' - but with no particular desire to see it used.
:0 : '''Not acceptable''' - not appropriate for use as a quote of the day.

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Ranking system:
:4 : '''Excellent''' - should definitely be used. (Perhaps, at most, only one quote per day should be ranked thus by any user, as to avoid confusions.)
:3 : '''Very Good''' - strong desire to see it used.
:2 : '''Good''' - some desire to see it used.
:1 : '''Acceptable''' - but with no particular desire to see it used.
:0 : '''Not acceptable''' - not appropriate for use as a quote of the day.

Wikiquote talk:Guide to layout

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Pene Naranjo: Wikiquote talk:Guide to layout moved to Wikiquote talk:Guide to pelican shit

Maybe I haven't found it yet, but I haven't found anything that explains what "Attributed" means. My first assumption is that it means "attributed to XXX, but probably not a quote from XXX", but that would mean that there should also be a separate category for "False attributions" (or maybe "Proven false") where it is known that thorough searches have been done and no version of the quote has been found, where it has been proven that someone falsified the quote, or where it has been shown the quote is by someone else. For some major figures (Abraham Lincoln for example) there really needs to be some way to keeping track of all the false quotes for them (if just on a special subpage), if for no other reason than to have a list to check against when people add new quotes. [[User:GK|gK [[User talk:GK|¿?]]]] 09:04, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:A discussion occurred [[Wikiquote:Village_pump_archive#Verification_and_original_source|here]] about name designations, and a bit earlier on the same page. "'''Sourced'''" was suggested for all quotations with citations, with a recommendation to abandon "Verified" as too strong a word, far too casually applied, too easily, by too many. "'''Attributed'''" to be used on quotes known to be attributed to an individual or source, but without definite citations, and various options for more dubious quotations were proposed or suggested at various places: "'''Misattributed'''" for quotes that were known to be wrongfully attributed to a source, and "'''Probably spurious'''" where the evidence indicates that they were probably fabricated quotations (sometimes even with fabricated citations). "'''Quotations by others about ________'''" is also a recommended heading. "'''Almost certainly spurious'''" has sometimes been used, where the evidence of falsehood is especially strong, and occasionally such quotations, or misattributions have been removed to the talk page, because they are not considered worthy of considiration as even possibly genuine, or correctly attributed. '''It is not recommended that even such quotes as are commonly misattributed to a source be deleted entirely, because we should aim at providing information that debunks false quotes, as well as that which confirms the true ones.''' Any more precise information or speculation about a particular quotation's origins than the various headers provide can be made in the comments beneath the quote, or sometimes on the talk page. ~ [[User:Kalki|Kalki]]

== Sections ==

"''Quotations should be divided into two sections, Verified and Attributed.''" - so said, but there are some exceptions or a group of articles following different convention; '''Sourced''' and '''Attributed'''. I am not sure the reason, but somehow I feel the latter pair preferable. And we are better to say other habits (even if they are not rules yet), like '''Misattributed''' or sections dedicated to particular works. Any comment is welcome. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 05:50, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:After reviewing the discussion [[User:Kalki|Kalki]] alluded to in the section above, and concurring with Aphaia, I changed "Verified" to "Sourced" in the article. This appears to have been an oversight after a community feeling (if not formal consensus) that the term "verified" is too ambiguous and too easily abused, whereas "sourced" is obvious — the source can and should be provided, so it may be checked, corrected, and/or argued if necessary. We should probably add some additional guidance based on that old discussion (elements of which are in use in some articles), and synchronize this article with [[Wikiquote:Templates]]. — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 11:23, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::I support Jeff's rewrite. In case there is someone who have different opinion, I'll put a note on [[WQ:VP]].
::Let me summarize Kalki's suggestion, we will have (or already have) a set of labels
;Basic
*'''Sourced''' - if we can provide the source information like following:
**''Faust'', Act I, l. 1024.
**''Critique of the pure raison'', 121A.[1st ed. of the German original, p.121],
**''Address to the U.S. Congress'', 12 September, 1956
*'''Attributed''' - attribution is sure, but without source information.
;Optional
*'''Misatrributed''' - either frequently or sometimes, that were known to be wrongfully attributed to a source, like:
**(for [[Marie-Antoinette of France]]): "If they have no bread, they can eat briosh."
***This phrase already appeared in [[Jean-Jacques Rousseau]], attributed to "a certain Tuscan archdutchess".
*'''Probably spurious''' - the evidence indicates that they were probably fabricated quotations (sometimes even with fabricated citations)
**See discussion on [[WQ:VP#Jokes]] (or I misunderstood).
*'''Quotations by others about ________''': [not used in articles classified under [[:Category:Themes]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>
*'''Almost certainly spurious'''
**That is.
I am however not sure we need '''Almost certainly spurious''', since it seems to me two classes for spurious quotes too fine and I haven't remember to see this label ACS has been used. If anyone could let me know the usage example, I would easily concur. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 13:47, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Article headings==
This guide says: "The person should be shown in a header at the top of the page, followed by their birth and death year (if any), and their profession. See the [[Wikiquote:Templates|template]]." However the template follows a completely different style (name in bold, followed by dates, then description). I only see this page's style on old pages while most newer pages follow the template's style. I have been converting many pages to that style as well. Is this page's instructions just an unchanged relic or was the style change never debated? -- [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] 17:49, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Aphaia started a discussion about this at [[Wikiquote talk:Templates#Proposal: discuss format of article of people]]. She and I have opposing views, so I think we're off to a good start for a debate. Interested parties are encouraged to join the conversation. — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 07:23, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Moved discussion from draft ==

I've noticed I poured much of [[Wikiquote:Manual of style]] into this guide. I know ''why'' I did it: I wanted a one-stop-shop for directing people to see how to write better articles. I don't feel it is long enough that we do need the split up: quite possibly, when this is moved out of draft, I'll check if the MoS has anything not in this, move it over and redirect. ~ [[User:MosheZadka|MosheZadka]] [[User talk:MosheZadka|(Talk)]] 17:04, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

=== Moshe: Comments on the draft guide ===

Moshe: Thanks for the invitation to review this. I have just a few minor comments.

* First, in the Films section, I'm not sure why you specified that quotes under ''Others'' would follow the formatting of theme quotes. This implies that they would be grouped alphabetically, and would contain quote marks. I wouldn't be inclined to have them follow that formatting, instead listing them chronologically as they appear in the film (as we would dialogue quotes). I would also not use quote marks for any film quotes.

* Second, under Theme quotes, you might want to specify that the quotes should be alphabetical '''by source'''.

* Third, I haven't been listing the stars of a film at the top of the page, limiting myself to Director and writer(s). Since they are listed below, under cast, I didn't list them. Which brings me to another comment: shouldn't ''Cast'' be a section to be included, right above ''External links''?

* Finally, (although this really isn't directly about the guide, but something I've seen discussed elsewhere) should film quotes be shown the way we are currently showing them? In other words, should they be done like they are for TV shows, instead of grouping sections with the character, separate from dialogue quotes? The reason I ask is that if someone is reading through a TV show's page, they can usually follow an episode along, since the quotes are ostensibly laid out in chronological order as they appeared in the episode. On film pages, this is not really possible, since to follow through a movie chronologically would require the reader to jump back and forth between dialogue and individual quotes.

OK, I'll stop rambling, but that's my input. I do think the guide is a great idea and I would have liked to have such a one-stop guide when I was starting out. [[User:UDScott|UDScott]] 21:46, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks a lot for the comments.
:1. The ''Others'' quotations have two styles: theme-like and TV-like. I have updated the text to allow for both styles.
:2. Theme quotes, AIUI, are alphabetical ''by content''. At least, that was how I always did thing, and how I saw others do things. I've written the guideline to be more specific.
:3. I've made it clear that the stars aren't mandatory. They are sometimes useful: I think if I wrote a page for Terminator, I'd put in Ahnold's name. It's ok not to do it, but I want to specifically allow addition of the stars to the intro, especially for an actor's "seminal work".
:4. I've worked hard to make sure the guideline reflects ''current consensus and established practices''. Mostly, it's an explanation of what is shown in [[Wikiquote:Templates]]. So, you're right: this isn't a question about the guide. Now, to the actual content of your complaint: I pretty much agree, but I am not really important, as I've never written a movie page from scratch, only did some random cleanup as part of my usual patrols. If you want this changed, and like I said, I sympathise, you will need to gather a wide consensus to make this change. As you may have seen in my "no quote marks" crusade, this takes time and effort.
:Any further comments (or direct edits to the guide) would be appreciated. ~ [[User:MosheZadka|MosheZadka]] [[User talk:MosheZadka|(Talk)]] 08:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Comic book formatting ==

So far, most comics articles have been formatted with a variant on the TV style. Please add here any comments you have regarding comic book formatting. Thanks ~ [[User:MosheZadka|MosheZadka]] [[User talk:MosheZadka|(Talk)]] 16:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

:Is that going to be 'official' now? --[[User:InShaneee|InShaneee]] 19:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

== Copyediting and formatting changes ==

I've just finished a copyediting sweep through the entire page, rewriting certain bits to flow and/or look better. There were only a few edits I was uncertain about; most are simply cosmetic, but you might want to check the history "diffs" to make sure if you regularly watch this page. I'm not married to the "typewriter type" I've used on the various wikicode snippets, but I think they did need some kind of special formatting to set them off from the rest of the text. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 07:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, BTW, I would also be willing to give up the unique section header names now that I see that there's [[Help:Editing#Links|a MediaWiki feature]] to deal with that problem (see "If multiple sections have the same title" in the table I've linked to). I mainly kept the headers that way while I was editing to make it easier to keep track of the various internal links. I still think using unique names is a good idea since links based numbering are easily broken when significant changes are made... but it does make the TOC look rather annoying. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 07:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

==Theme pages==
With Theme pages I don't understand why we don't do it by author because speaking at least from my experince when looking for quotes I'm more likely to know who said it then the first word. ~ [[User:DFA|DFA]] 00:29, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

== TV show episode header format ==

It says we should use the form <tt><nowiki>===''Italicized Name''</nowiki> [''n''.''m'']==</tt>, where n is the season, and m is the episode number. Is this really necessary? Seasons are a level 2 header, so it's obvious what season the episode is in. As for the episode number, you can determine that from the TOC. From what I've seen, only about half of the shows (that don't require massive cleanup) stick with this guideline, including large articles with a high number of editors. The rest of them just use <nowiki>===Episode Name===</nowiki>. Would it be better to drop this guideline, or at least have it say use one of the two styles I mentioned, since it would seem that many people (including me) prefer it without the numbers. [[User:Koweja|Koweja]] 18:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

: We decided to add episode numbers a while back because most TV-show articles (including, by definition, any ongoing series) do not have headings for all episodes, so the table of contents will ''not'' number the episodes correctly. Even when all episodes are are included, there is nothing to stop someone from mixing up the order of episodes. (This happens with some frequency. I had to reverse an entire season of ''[[Smallville]]'' only a few months ago.) Ep numbers themselves are not essential to Wikiquote purposes, except to provide chronological order. Including them makes it easier for editors to verify and make corrections. (Allowing editors to organize, source, and verify information in quote articles ''is'' essential to Wikiquote.)

: Many articles that do ''not'' use ep numbers are completed series, making it possible (and often highly desirable) to implement custom tables of contents to avoid 10-page-long TOCs. In this situation, one or more editors commit to verifying and establishing an episode order, based on sourced information, then create a TOC that is not expected to be modified, and indeed is often rather hard to edit without breaking the TOC. This barrier allows us to forego the ep numbers, as the order has been established by experienced editors, and vandalism or even innocently wrong attempts to edit are easy to spot. But this system has its own problems, and is based on assumptions that are becoming increasingly invalid for the current Wikiquote community.

: The guidelines ''could'' make this situation clearer. They serve two purposes: to define the desired styles for articles, and to help new editors create articles. For the latter purpose, it's important to keep the information as simple as possible, since new editors are having to learn the entire wiki system as well, and shouldn't be overburdened by too many options and variations. (I think the current style guidelines are already uncomfortably complex, but they are the direct result of other ongoing problems in article creation.) Like much of Wikiquote practice, the more sophisticated styles are typically learned through experience, as we don't have enough experienced editors who are willing and able to commit the time to develop, discuss, amend, review, and ratify guideline and policy changes. It's far from perfect, but has the advantage of putting the burden of learning the complexities squarely on the editors in the best position to handle it.

: For the time being, episode numbers are the most practical means to aid most editors in organizing the articles. Of course, other ideas are always welcome, but be prepared for boring Wikiquote history lessons from verbose editors to explain the downsides. ☺ ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 19:01, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

== Ideal Example ==

There should be a link on this article sending the reader to an exemplary(sp?) article. [[User:207.179.172.220|207.179.172.220]] 15:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

: Good idea, but it has some practical challenges. First, we'd really need one example for every kind of formatting (people, theme, TV show, film, books, etc.), as each has its differences (some very visible, others more subtle, but all for established reasons). More importantly, each example would have to be stable. Finally, formatting issues are still somewhat in flux, especially given that they have been mostly determined by a handful of active editors (i.e., folks who edit more than, say, 100 times a month). If these folks were the same over time, this might not be an issue, but as it is, our frequent-editor list has tended to change dramatically, being an almost completely new set of 4-8 people every half-year or so. This makes it hard to lock down any layout issues, let alone examples. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 17:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

::This is the best and easiest way for people to learn. I don't read the instructions (if I can help it) - I look at the articles and follow precedent. The simple way to provide examples is to construct some ideal articles in project name space purely as a model to follow. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 22:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:::You might take a look at [[Wikiquote:Good articles]], which is a work in progress to identify articles which might be viewed as examples of good formatting and content. ~ [[User:UDScott|UDScott]] 22:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
::::They could be cited in layout guides etc as models. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 22:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, eventually maybe. But this page is an attempt to identify which articles could serve that purpose - I don't think the process is nearly finished. ~ [[User:UDScott|UDScott]] 23:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

== Conflict in policies Templates and Guide to Layout ==

The Templates page states on specific style for themes pages, while this page states another, which one is authoritative? It seems to me like templates is more up-to-date and should be followed and its policy copied here.

'''On this policy page:'''
:Quotes should appear alphabetically, sorted by content in a bulleted list. Here quotes should be surrounded by double-quote marks ("); if quotation marks are used inside the quote itself, they should be single-quote marks ('). The quotation should be followed by a tilde (~) and then a link to the source (usually a person, but sometimes a book, television show, etc.). This can be followed by sub-bullets giving context and more information, although unless relevant to the specific themes these are discouraged. It is highly recommended to add the quotation to the source's page, and add comments and context there instead.

'''On the templates page:'''
<nowiki>
'''[[w:Theme|Theme]]''' is (''a short description of the theme'').




== Sourced ==

* QuoteA.
** [[Author]], source

* QuoteB.
** ''[[Name of Book or Play]]'' by [[Author]]

* ''Foreign language quote.''
** Translation: English translation
** Author and source

== Unsourced ==

* UnsourcedQuoteA.
** [[Author]]

{{lynx}}
[[Category:Themes]]

</nowiki>

On of these two policies needs to be adopted and standardized or we're all just going to keep going around reformatting over each others reformats of articles. Personally, I like the templates format better simply because it's more straight forward and less wishy-washy.
--[[User:Imjustmatthew|Imjustmatthew]] 20:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

: Imjustmatthew, I apologize that no one has addressed this issue yet. As you suspected, [[Wikiquote:Templates]] and its subpages have been the ''de facto'' guidelines for formatting articles of all genres for about two years. Most of the efforts by regular editors to standardize formatting for each genre in this time have focused on these for several reasons:
:* They are succinct, and follow the general wiki principle of instruction through example.
:* They are used as [[w:Boilerplate (text)|boilerplate]] by the "add new article" input boxes at [[Help:Starting a new page]].
:* The genre subpages have provided a means to discuss the genre-specific issues without cluttering the main page.
: Of course, we've been using [[Wikiquote:Guide to layout]] all this time to provide guidance to new users in our standard {{tl|welcome}} message, so it's important that we bring these two into sync. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll see about fixing this. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 14:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:: Thank you for your announced initiatives :) I agree on that now [[Wikiquote:Templates]] is our standard, and synch is needed. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 07:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

==Unsourced==

There is no mention of this in the guide. "Attributed" is defined in a way which would apply to "unsourced", but the former seems to be used in articles where "misattributed" should be the term. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 22:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:This change had been made a while back to the template, but it yet to be changed here (which I have just done). ~ [[User:UDScott|UDScott]] 22:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Guide to layout

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'''THIS IS A DRAFT WHICH IS [[Wikiquote talk:Guide to layout|NOT FINISHED YET]]'''

The '''Wikiquote Guide to Layout''' is an annotated, working example of some of the basics of laying out an entry.

This article is not about wiki markup; see [[Wikiquote:How to edit a page]] for that, nor is this article about style; see [[Wikiquote:Manual of Style]] for that.
This article is just a summary of what some fairly clean, simple Wikiquote entries look like.
For more complicated entries, you may want to copy the markup of some existing entry you like the looks of.

'''For an explanation by example, see [[Wikiquote:Templates]].'''

== General ==
All Wikiquote pages should start with a brief introduction in which significant terms are linked to Wikipedia.
Most Wikiquote pages should end with an ''External links'' section containing a "Wikipedia box", which is created using the <tt>{{[[Template:wikipedia|wikipedia]]}}</tt> or <tt>{{[[Template:wikipedia|wikipedia]]|''Article name''}}</tt> templates.
If such a box does appear, it should be the first thing in the section. Last in that section should be a [[:Category:Categories|category]]. To place a page in a category, use <tt><nowiki>[[Category:</nowiki>''Category name'']]</tt>. ''All'' Wikiquote articles should have a category.

== People pages ==
Many Wikiquote entries are quotes said or written by a person.

=== Introductory material ===
A person article should begin with a short biographical note (1-4 sentences is usual). This note should have the person's name in bold, and should link the name to the Wikipedia article, if there is one. If known, it should have date of birth and date of death. It is popular to link words in the introduction to other Wikiquote or Wikipedia pages.

=== Sections (people) ===
All the sections described here are level-2 sections (<tt><nowiki>==</nowiki></tt>). The following sections might not all appear, but when they do, they appear in the order specified, and containing the content specified:
* ''Sourced'': Quotations with a definite, verifiable source (speech, book, interview or similar).
** If there are several quotations from the same source, it is possible to make a level-3 subsection and group the quotes from that source into this subsection. It is possible, though not generally recommended, to go even deeper: one might open a level-3 subsection for "Fiction books", and put specific books under that header.
** When sourcing, be as accurate as possible: specify the source, the place within the source (if reasonable) and if the source is online, link to it. ISBNs, chapter numbers, editions and page numbers all ease the work of future accuracy checking.
* ''Unsourced'': Quotations which are popularly, or notably, attributed to the person, but for which the editor does not have a specific source.
* ''Misattributed'': Quotations which are popularly, or notably, attributed to the person but where there ''is'' evidence that no such thing has been said. Misquotations also belong here.
* ''Criticisms'' or ''About'': Quotations about the person.
* ''See also'': Other wikiquote pages which relate to the person. Note that in some cases, this section can come first (especially when a literary work has been broken out from the page, and the person is well known for that work).
* ''External links'': Links about the person, with a special emphasis on places where more of their words can be found. Add <tt>{{[[Template:wikisource author|wikisource author]]}}</tt> if the author has a page at [[wikisource:Wikisource:Authors|Wikisource]]. Relevant blogs, links to archives of columns and the like are also appropriate.

=== Formatting of quotes (people) ===
With the exception of quotes in the ''Criticism/About'' section, quotes should be formatted as a bulleted list, each quote on its own bullet, with no quotation marks. Any notes, such as translation, source or context, should follow in a sub-bullet. If a quote is not in English, it should be ''italicized''. In that case, especially for non-Latin scripts, a transliteration is often useful. Quotes in the ''Criticism/About'' section are formatted like quotes in [[#Theme pages|theme articles]].

== Literature ==
The introduction to quotes from a literary work should contain the year it was made in, and the author (or authors). In case the author has no Wikiquote page, consider quoting from that work in a new page about the author and making a redirect from the work's name to the author's page. If appropriate, a link to [[w:Project Gutenberg|Gutenberg]] or the <tt>{{[[Template:wikisource|wikisource]]}}</tt> template should be put in the ''External links'' section.

=== Formatting of quotes (literature) ===
Quotes are formatted like a [[#Sections (people)|sourced person's quotes]]. In the ''Sourced'' section, give chapter (section, part) numbers and names.

== Films ==
For pages for quotes from a film, the introduction should link to the entry in Wikipedia, and specify the year the movie was made in, the director, the writer and sometimes the stars. Next should follow the tagline, centered and bolded, followed by a small [[Help:Editing#Links|internal link]] to the "Tagline" section, if there is one.

=== Sections (films) ===
All sections here are level-2 sections (<tt>==</tt>). Not all must appear, but when they appear, they must do so in the order specified.
* ''Character'': Each major character should have a section, under which those things said by the character alone should be grouped.
* ''Others'': Minor characters can be grouped into one section.
* ''Dialogues'': Those quotes which are in the form of a dialogue belong here.
* ''Taglines'': If there is more than one tagline for the movie, then all taglines belong in this section.
* ''Cast'': A bulleted list with for the major cast. Usually, the character's name is not a link. The actor's name might be a link to wikiquote (if such a page exists) or a link to wikipedia.
* ''External links'': This should almost always contain the <tt>{{[[Template:imdb title|imdb title]]|number_in_URL|film_title}}</tt> template.

=== Formatting of quotes (films) ===
Quotes in ''Character'' sections should be formatted like [[#Formatting of quotes (people)|people quotes]]. Quotes in the ''Others'' section are bulleted. There are two styles for the ''Others'' quotes: either [[#Theme pages|theme style]], or like this:
:<tt><nowiki>* '''Character''': Text</nowiki></tt>
The latter seems more popular. Quotes in ''Dialogues'' should be formatted like [[#Formatting of quotes (TV)|TV quotes]]. ''Taglines'' should be formatted exactly as they appear, with capitalisation intact and no added quotation marks.

== Television ==
The introduction for a television show should contain the year it started (and, if appropriate, the year it ended). The ''External links'' section should contain the <tt>{{[[Template:imdb title|imdb title]]|number_in_URL|name_of_show}}</tt> template, and if appropriate, the <tt>{{[[Template:tv.com show|tv.com show]]|number_in_URL|name_of_show}}</tt> template.

=== Sections (TV) ===
Level-2 headers should be used for seasons: <tt>==Season ''n''==</tt>. For non-American TV shows, often the term "series" is used instead. Level-3 headers should be used for individual episodes: <tt><nowiki>===''Italicized Name''</nowiki> [''n''.''m'']==</tt>, where ''n'' is the season and ''m'' the episode number. A separate section at the top of the page can be used for "recurring quotes" or "catch-phrases" (this is where quotes from the theme song belong, too—if there are only theme song quotes, the section can be called "Theme song").

=== Formatting of quotes (TV) ===
All TV quotes are considered to be a dialog (even when containing just one character). Dialog segments within each episode are separated by so-called "half-width rules": <tt><nowiki><hr width="50%"/></nowiki></tt>. Each dialog quote is formatted as:
:<tt><nowiki>: '''Character Name''': Text</nowiki></tt>
For characters with Wikipedia pages, the first time a character appears in an episode it should be linked to the Wikipedia page. Context lines should be formatted as:
: <tt><nowiki>: ''[The characters are doing something.]''</nowiki></tt>
while stage direction should be formatted in-line:
: <tt><nowiki>: '''Character''': ''[silently]'' No.</nowiki></tt>
In general, the use of too much context or stage direction is discouraged. Quotes should be ordered as they appear in the episode. For names which are not given explicitly, describe the character using "Title Case":
: <tt><nowiki>: '''Little Girl''': Why?</nowiki></tt>

== Theme pages ==
Unless there is a good reason, the introduction for a theme page can be nothing more than "Quotes about/related to ''Theme''", where "Theme" is made a link to Wikipedia.

=== Sections (themes) ===
There are two styles for theme sections: all themes with no section, or a division into [[#Sections (people)|Sourced/Attributed quotes]].

=== Formatting of quotes (themes) ===
Quotes should appear alphabetically, sorted ''by content'' in a bulleted list. Here quotes should be surrounded by double-quote marks ("); if quotation marks are used inside the quote itself, they should be single-quote marks ('). The quotation should be followed by a tilde (~) and then a link to the source (usually a person, but sometimes a book, television show, etc.). This can be followed by sub-bullets giving context and more information, although unless relevant to the specific themes these are discouraged. It is highly recommended to add the quotation to the source's page, and add comments and context there instead.

== Proverbs ==
Proverbs are formatted like [[#Formatting of quotes (people)|people quotes]]: no quotation marks, in the original language, transliteration/translation, and any other information. A common sub-bullet here is "Possible interpretation". Proverbs should also be sorted alphabetically—and because there are many of them, it is common to disable the regular Table of Contents mechanism by using <tt><nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki></tt> (those are two underscores on either side) and writing a custom TOC based on a letter.

== Obsolete practices ==
There are several practices which were once popular. The Wikiquote community has since rejected them, but still they remain in old pages which have not been properly updated. You are encouraged to reformat such articles to conform to the new guidelines, and ''strongly discouraged'' from continuing to follow them:
* Quotation marks around quotations in non-[[#Theme pages|Theme]] articles.
* TV show quotes organized by character.
* The title of the page used as the first header (usually level-1 or level-2 header): this was especially popular in [[#People pages|people pages]].
* "Verified" heading. Use "Sourced" instead, and only include quotations from verifiable sources.
* "Almost certainly spurious" and other such distinctions. Add such a quote to either "Attributed" or "Misattributed", and add notes documenting research about the quote's authenticity.

[[Category:Wikiquote]]
[[Category:Policies needing revision]]

[[sv:Wikiquote:Stilguide]]

Wikiquote talk:Manual of style

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== Citations ==

As I edit the [[Carl Sagan]] page, I notice that a previous contributer has used page numbers to locate quotes within a book. This is terribly inadequate. ''No book is published in a single printed version these days.'' The previous contributer locates a quote on page 189 that I see on page 157. The difference is merely that I have a softcover version while p.189 must refer to hardcover. Why not just refer to the chapter entitled "The Common Enemy" which is merely 12 pages long? - [[User:Stevesliva|Stevesliva]]
----

My strong feeling (from having done almost all the recent editing on [[Stephen Jay Gould]]) is that both page numbers and editions are fundamental to proper citation. It is usually sufficient to identify format and publisher, but some books (particularly non-fiction) are significantly revised between editions, so if (for example) you are quoting [[Charles Darwin]] from ''The Origin of Species'', it is vitally important to specify not only publisher but also which of the 6+ editions published in Darwin's lifetime the text comes from (never mind being able to find the particular page). I'm not so concerned about [[w:ISBN|ISBN]]s.

As a repository of quotations, I think it should be Wikiquote's goal to cite the earliest widely-available form of publication (for modern English-language sources anyway). For Gould, I've chosen to use the first (collected) editions of his essays, rather than tracing them back to their original sources, for a few reasons:
* The books are much more readily available than back issues of ''Natural History'' magazine. (As witness the fact that they books are what I have, and not 300 mouldering magazines.)
* Gould frequently re-edited the essays for the collection.
* They provide a convenient rubric for organizing the page into sections of roughly equal length.

Citing early editions is useful for one of the primary purposes of a quotation reference, recording the temporal priority of well-known phrases. It's also standard academic practice, and for most contemporary publications (with only two or four editions worldwide) not very difficult to do.

I would not object to someone adding to (not replacing) the citations with the specific details of their original publication, provided she also checked the quoted text to be sure that Gould didn't change it between first publication and appearance in the collection.

In the [[Isaac Asimov]] article, I cited the original short stories, even though I only have a late collection, because the ''Foundation'' books have been through many editions, mine is a late paperback, and I believe the original story titles are more informative than the chapter headings in the collection that I have. Hopefully this will provide enough information for some motivated soul to track down the original magazine appearance and complete the citations. But in general I'm of a mind that you should cite the source you used, even if it's not the first appearance/edition, and let future editors take it back.

Of course, I've been talking about articles named after quotation sources. I'd like to propose the following very-high-level taxonomy of Wikiquote pages:
* Source pages
** Article title is the name of the source (author, book, film, TV series).
** Every quotation should be cited (unless marked as "attributed"). Closely-related quotations (''e.g.'', from the same book or series) may share citation information under a common heading. (See [[Stephen Jay Gould]] for an example.)
** These are the only pages where the "Sourced" ''vs.'' "Attributed" distinction is meaningful.
** Should always include WP links in the intro (even if the WP article on this source has not been written yet).
* Proverb pages
** Consist entirely of unattributable proverbs and other bits of "folk wisdom".
* Reference pages
** This group would principally include [[:Category:Themes|Themes]] at the moment; I hope that this category will continue to grow.
** Every quotation or aphorism which is attributed to a specific person should name that person, with a link back to the source page, and give the date (if known).
** Thus, they need not include citations (since the full citation, if known, should be on the source page).
** Quotations on these pages may be trimmed down for succinctness from the versions on the source pages, but the wording should otherwise match.
:[[User:18.26.0.18|18.26.0.18]] 04:08, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

=== <nowiki><references /></nowiki> ===
Why are we not using the ''references'' function as used on Wikipedia? This method of citation is cleaner than adding a bullet underneath the quotation followed by citation text. [[User:Adraeus|Adraeus]] 21:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

: Well, the short answer is that the ref/references system is only a few months old, and the bulleting style goes back to the origins of Wikiquote. Inertia is a tremendous factor on an 8,000-article project where only a dozen editors make more than 100 edits a month. A more complete answer would have to await a serious, organized discussion on the issue of sourcing, which has, to date, been fitfully strewn all over talk and project discussion pages. It's probably a good idea to start a discussion on sourcing formats on the [[Wikiquote talk:Sourcing|talk page]] of our new draft policy [[Wikiquote:Sourcing]]. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 21:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

== Links deleted from 'For further information' ==

Deleted from 'for further information': The following links were pointing to empty pages withing Wikiquote - and the corresponding pages on Wikipedia seem '''very''' Wikipedia specific to me. [[User:Sunny day|sunny]] 13:42, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
*[[w:Be bold in updating pages|Be bold in updating pages]] should define your attitude toward page updates.
*[[w:Most common Wikipedia faux pas|Most common Wikipedia faux pas]] gives a list of common mistakes and how to avoid them.
*[[w:Editing policy|Editing policy]] has even more editing guidelines.
*[[w:How does one edit a page|How does one edit a page]] will explain the mechanics of what codes are available to you when editing a page, to do things like titles, links, external links, and so on.
*[[w:The perfect stub article|The perfect stub article]] shows what you should aim for at a minimum when starting a new article.

== Capitalization conventions ==

I'd like to address a problem between our official policy and our actual practice here at Wikiquote: capitalization conventions. We informally borrow quite a bit of style practice from Wikipedia, but [[Wikiquote:Manual of style|our own manual of style]] explicitly reiterates the general wiki policy of using [[w:sentence case|sentence case]] in article titles — that is, capitalize only the first letter in the title and of any proper nouns, but use lowercase for all other words. This has less impact on Wikiquote than Wikipedia, since most article titles are either people's names or the titles of works, both of which are considered proper noun phrases, but there are two inconsistencies that crop up:
# Capitalizing non-proper nouns in theme or topic titles (e.g., '''Theater Musicals and Plays''').
# Varying capitalization within a title or proper name (e.g., '''Pirates of the Caribbean''' vs. '''Pirates Of The Caribbean''').
The first I hope to resolve without much argument, but the second is more complex. — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 08:34, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== Non-proper nouns ===
The first issue is simply a matter of not following our own stated, straightforward policy. I've occasionally changed these problem titles whenever I come across them, but new ones keep popping up, probably because the lack of consistency prevents new editors from intuiting the policy by general observation. To combat this, unless people object strongly, I will be aggressively changing such titles over the next few months, as I have time and opportunity, and changing relevant links so that Wikiquote will be internally consistent. (Redirects can remain in place for the foreseeable future so people won't have problems finding articles under their former titles.)

If anyone has a concern about my aggressive conformance editing, please raise your concerns here. Thank you. — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 08:34, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:I support this. I can't say that I have noticed it except in relation to Category titles but I expect that it will be one of those things that once it is called to your attention you suddenly notice all around you. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] 14:36, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I support we capitalize only the first letter of non-proper name pages; articles, categories and documents. Once I created a document not following this way, and later I had troubles to put a link to it correctly. The simpler rule, the better. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 12:39, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== Irregular proper-noun practices ===
The second issue is trickier, as different English-speaking countries have different policies on title capitalization. Wikiquote practice seems to be most commonly following what I, as an American, see as typical "American" practice: capitalize every word in the title of a work ''except'' articles (''a'', ''an'', ''the''), conjunctions (e.g., ''and''), and prepositions (e.g., ''of'', ''with'', ''through''). There are, however, many problems with this practice:
* Many English prepositions are also adverbs, requiring the editor to determine what part of speech the word is acting as in order to know whether to capitalize it or not.
* There seems to be an informal practice of capitalizing long prepositions (e.g., ''through''), possibly because people intuit non-capitalization as applying to all short words (since articles and many prepositions are 1-3 letters long).
* There is also a common habit of ''not'' capitalizing some variations on the verb "to be" (e.g., ''is'', ''are'', ''be''). I'm not sure if this is an official variation on English practice, but it may also stem from the short length of these verbs.
* To avoid all these problems, many publishers of works — possibly most, these days — simply ignore variable capitalization by printing titles in all-uppercase, all-lowercase, or all-capitalized (i.e., ''every'' first letter uppercase). Many people feel that this practice should be followed in article titles, especially when their copy of the work follows this practice.
* Likewise, some artists and companies deliberately play with conventions for artistic effect (e.g., ''k. d. lang'', ''iPod''). People can get very passionate about respecting the intent of these unconventional practices.
And that's just following this so-called American capitalization. The [[w:Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Wikipedia:Manual of Style]] claims that British publishers often do more capitalization than Americans (although I've seen the opposite argument as well), and I'm not sure what English practice is outside these two countries (which, as my Canadian, Australian, and Indian friends are quick to point out, leaves a considerable population). There's also the question of following foreign capitalization practice for foreign titles. (You can get a feel for how different ''those'' practices are by looking at [[w:List of Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes]], which follows foreign capitalization rules when listing the original foreign-language titles to many "MSTied" films.)

I bring this up here because it is a long-term issue, but I'm not particularly concerned about fixing policy on this issue in the near future, since we only have about 3,000 articles right now. However, this may be a good place and time to start such a discussion. I invite the Wikiquote community to post their thoughts on this subject below. Thank you. — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 08:34, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::For proper nouns originally written in latin alphabet, my standpoint is very simple and clear: follow the orignal name in general, but if it is very old (like Medieval works or very early modern) we can modernize it applying the orthography today. As for transcription, I have an opinion only on Japanese: use Hepburn system. I agree with Jeff we don't need to make a hasty decision on this matter, but it is a good time to begin our discussion. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 00:35, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::One of the many complications that people don't realize is that publishers (American ones, at least) consider style elements like capitalization, punctuation, and type to be ''their'' domain, unless an artist makes a fuss. This means that two people can be holding different modern copies of a work and yelling at each other "it's printed ''this'' way!" — "no, it's printed ''that'' way!", and both be right. So "original" name capitalization can be hard to determine. Nothing about this subject is as simple as it seems, unfortunately. — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 06:53, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I agree that if the original name is clear, then we should follow it. If it's not clear, then I do think that we should set a clear policy, and I think that this policy should simply be to use as little capitalization as possible (out of the available options that may be considered correct) - I also think that this simple criterion will generate a style which is in fact the one that's considered the most correct usually in the English speaking world (for example, "the Caribbean", "the University of Colorado", and not "The", etc.) - BTW, this policy is not related only to the title of the articles, but also to what appears in the body of the articles. [[User:Sams|Sams]] 09:03, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Punctuation ==

I would like to express my strongest disagreement with the current (copied from Wikipedia) guidelines on punctuation, particularly with repsect to quotation marks. The guidelines are at least arguably reasonable for WP; not so here. It should be the goal of Wikiquote, so far as quotations from written sources go, to accurately reproduce the text of the original, including typography to the extent feasible. All of the important punctuation marks are suppored in Unicode, and nearly all (the ellipsis is the major exception for English-language published works) have standard HTML character entities. While it is possible that the Mediawiki developers will at some point come through with a simplified wikisyntax for meta-ASCII punctuation, as they are apparently doing for em-dashes, it does us no good unless those characters can be properly and unambiguously represented in existing articles with existing syntax, so that they may be converted to any new syntax (or directly to UTF-8) at a future date. Mangling the original punctuation to flat ASCII (without using character entities) does not serve this goal.

Currently editors are encouraged to wrap each quotation in more (ASCII) quotation marks. This guideline seems to be honored in only a small fraction of Wikiquote articles. I know of no other compendium of quotations which uses such a style (certainly my copy of ''Simpson's Contemporary Quotations'' does not) and for good reason: it is confusing. Is this a quotation of a quotation (''e.g.'', dialogue)? This also requires editors (if they are conscientious) to then change the marks used for any internal quotation, if any. Should be ''really'' be writing:

* "'She said, "What?"'"

? (Yes, that's a strawman example.) I would argue that the guidelines for typography should look more like this:

=== Written sources ===
Please do your best to copy the exact style, punctuation, and other typography of the original source. Some important conventions used in printed material, with the appropriate wikisyntax to represent them, can be found in the (insert name of new article). Do ''not'' wrap quotations in “quotation marks” (or "ASCII quotation marks" or ‘inverted commas’ or 'apostrophes') unless the entire quotation consists of dialogue, in which case the style of quotation should match that used by the author.

(In the case of a work published in separate editions for North America and Britain, Ireland, or Australia, the style of punctuation may differ significantly between editions. Use the style of the edition you have, and make certain to cite that edition properly, but don't be hurt if another editor "corrects" your punctuation and citations to agree with the edition she has.)

=== Spoken sources ===
For speeches, presentations, radio or television broadcasts, and films, try to find out if there is an official written version or transcript which you can cite instead, in which case see "Written sources" above. For sources with no written version available to you, please follow the guidelines for non-sourced quotations, below.

=== Non-sourced quotations ===
As with written-sourced material, do not wrap quotations in quotation marks unless the entire quotation consists of a single speaker's dialogue.

(at this point insert a two-paragraph condensation of the existing punctuation guidelines copied from Wikipedia)

:[[User:121a0012|121a0012]] 03:06, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

:Seems like it was voted on at [[Wikiquote:Quotation_marks]], long before I came here. I'm personally in favor of wrapping each quote with quotation marks: it seems more accurate in order to make it clear that it was a direct quote that was said or written by its author. I agree that if you buy a book like the one you mentioned above, then the people who designed the book can make everything look clear without quotation marks by using a uniform layout, but a wiki project on the internet is more messy than a printed book, in terms of random contributors who edit the pages etc., so I think that using quotations marks is better here in order to remove possible doubts about whether something is a direct quote. Seems like there're de facto exceptions, like dialogs, and proverbs it seems... And regarding the quote inside quote issue, I agree that this is a problem, in fact I bumped into it at least twice in quotes that I transcribed - but I didn't change " to ' because I use ' for paraphrases-style quotes inside a quote, so I just used an extra space, like, "She said, "What?" " - not sure what's the best option here, perhaps the simple "She said, "What?"" is best... [[User:Sams|Sams]] 11:21, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

::Personally, I don't really want to get into a debate on punctuation here yet, as there are many pressing problems on Wikiquote that aren't controversial. But I'll just make the following points for now:
::# The most compelling reason to use ASCII quotation marks rather than proper ones is that, for a system that encourages and even requires the participation of the masses, making people use Unicode character entities rather than the keys on their keyboards for something as common as a quote mark is an unreasonable barrier to participation. I'll be happy to switch to “standard quotes” — right after Microsoft takes over world government and mandates new keyboards with these quotes on the keycaps, and the old keyboards have mostly been discarded.
::# I fully agree with the superfluity of requiring quote marks around each quotation when many publishers use their standardized typography to make the quoted material clear (although [[User:Sams|Sams]] makes a good point). I think many newer contributors (i.e., since the last vote on this issue) also feel this way, which is one reason there is so little conformity with official policy. If people feel it is time to revisit this issue, it should brought up as a separate topic and voted anew. I, for one, would greatly prefer to put such a vote off until we build up enough policy infrastructure so that our increasing user base doesn't have to get lost between Wikiquote and Wikipedia to figure out what our policies are.
::# The vast majority of Wikiquote users aren't participating in ''any'' of these policy discussions. That's their prerogative, of course, but it means that there are currently only a dozen or so people making policy here. Some policy issues can't wait for broad support, but I'm reluctant to press on any issues that require a massive effort to change existing practices, because we just don't have the committed personnel to accomplish the tasks.
::— [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 12:41, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
::P.S. I notice that, in my Firefox 1.0.3 browser using the MediaWiki Monobook skin, the left and right Unicode double quotes I used above display ''exactly'' like ordinary ASCII double quotes; i.e., straight vertical ticks without either left or right slant. I'm not sure why this is, as [http://www.webreference.com/html/reference/character/i18n.html WebRef's HTML Character Reference page] shows them accurately, but it suggests that the MediaWiki developers have chosen a font for the default Monobook skin that defeats [[User:121a0012|121a0012]]'s admirable goal, at least for some browsers. This problem is much bigger than Wikiquote. — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 12:48, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I would argue that, whether or not they use additional typography to make it clear, the reason that printed compendia of quotations do not use quotation marks is that they are superfluous: someone who consults a book of quotations does not need to see quotation marks to know that everything in the book is a quotation from something else! So it is with Wikiquote: someone who is searching here will know (or at least have a very good inkling) what to expect from the material. (If they don't, then there's a problem that should be remedied by editing the boilerplate. The boilerplate already has problems on the copyright front.)

:::As for [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]]'s post-scriptum: that's not what I see, and I'm also using the default style. (I have no idea what sort of fonts the style asks for, if any; a good style should use the generic names "serif" and "sans" and let the user's or system's defaults prevail.) I fully expect that MediaWiki will eventually have wikisyntax support for typeset quotation marks (they are really a necessity to make decent printed output, as is ultimately desired for Wikipedia), probably using ``TeX syntax<nowiki>''</nowiki> which is fairly common and well understood. If we want to have our work ''today'' be compatible with whatever is implemented in the future, then it behooves us to make an effort at representing the proper characters in the syntax we have available (HTML character entities), which are at least unambiguous, and can be easily transformed into whatever the official syntax turns out to be without making a hash of unrelated text. This could be made substantially easier for Joe Random Editor if we had the same "palette" of non-ASCII characters in the edit window as Wikipedia does. [[User:18.26.0.18|18.26.0.18]] 21:37, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Speaking as one who spends some time every day adding the most basic wiki markup (e.g., bold, italics, bulleting, indenting, headers) to many quote pages, I would say that believing that knowledge of TeX syntax is "fairly common" among this user base is grossly delusional. I spent 15 years administering and programming Unix systems, and although I learned to hand-code PostScript programs and craft webpages by without HTML tools, I never once felt the need to learn TeX. And most people contributing to Wikiquote are neither programmers nor HTML experts; sure one doesn't expect them to know TeX? I can think of no better way to limit contributions to Wikiquote than to insist that people use fancy markup for basic material. — [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 22:55, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::TeX markup is already used for equations in Wikipedia, so it's nowhere near as far-out as you describe. In any case, no, I don't expect Wikiquote editors to know TeX, but I do expect MediaWiki programmers, when looking for a syntax to use for proper quotation marks, to use a syntax that both intuitively obvious and already familiar to them. I expect Wikiquote editors to click on the "Editing help" link at the bottom of the edit page, or to select a character from a palette provided for that purpose, to get the right characters. Nor, for that matter, do I expect most people to do this—I want to recommend good practice, not require it, and certainly not prohibit it. If editors want to do the objectively Right Thing, we should facilitate and not obstruct that desire. Typography matters. [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] 02:45, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

== Quoting verse ==

It seems to me that treatment of form for quoting verse is absent from this manual, as song lyrics and poetry are enormously common source materials here. carriage returns are clumsy and spaced too far apart, and reading left to right through forward slashes obscure the rhythm too dramatically. any insights or direction on this matter? [[User:Popefauvexxiii|Popefauvexxiii]] 18:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

You can create a new line of verse by using <nowiki> </nowiki>at the end of a line to separate the lines in a stanza. You can use <nowiki> </nowiki>at the end of a line to make a break between stanzas, like this:

Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Though wise men at their end know dark is right,

and so on. - [[User:InvisibleSun|InvisibleSun]] 18:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

cool. what about the bullet though? any way to flush up the lines in front of it? [[User:Popefauvexxiii|Popefauvexxiii]] 19:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
oops, nevermind :) ~

:One thought. Can you ask developer to make a newfeature to treat such works? If I recall correctly, Wikisource people have been worried about that, and somewhere - perhaps foundation-l or other wikimedia mailing list - proposed such ... like "gallery" for sorting images. Our c0urrent way works for getting apperence we hope but the source is hardly readable. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 19:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

:: I discussed this somewhere on Wikipedia and/or Meta-Wiki a couple of years ago (I forgot where off-hand), but was greeted with a total lack of interest. However, MediaWiki has evolved since then, and if other projects are clamoring for more flexible display of non-prose text, the developers may be more prepared to consider it. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 03:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:::I've discovered that the only way I can quote certain poems with indentations is not to do them in bullet fashion, as can be seen on such pages as [[George Herbert]] (especially the "pattern" poems like "The Altar" and "Easter Wings"), [[William Carlos Williams]] (see the last two quotes) and [[W. H. Auden]]. - [[User:InvisibleSun|InvisibleSun]] 07:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

== Typography preferences ==

A recent edit to a page where I had "straightened" the quotes to conform to what used to be standard Wikimedia guidelines prompted me to look at '''the latest version of the section in the [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Quotation_marks|Wikipedia Manual of Style]] on the matter:'''

===Quotation marks===
With [[w:quotation marks|quotation marks]] we split the difference between American and British usage. Though not a rigid rule, we use the "double quotes" for most quotations — they are easier to read on the screen — and use 'single quotes' for nesting quotations, that is, "quotations 'within' quotations".

:'''Note:''' if a word or phrase appears in an article with single quotes, such as 'abcd', the [[w:Wikipedia:Searching|Wikipedia:Searching]] facility considers the single quotes to be part of the word and will find that word or phrase only if the search string is also within single quotes. (When trying this out with the example mentioned, remember that this article is in the Wikipedia namespace.) Avoiding this complication is an additional reason to use double quotes, for which the difficulty does not arise. It may even be a reason to use double quotes for quotations within quotations.

When punctuating quoted passages, include the [[w:punctuation mark|punctuation mark]] inside the quotation marks ''only if'' the sense of the punctuation mark is part of the quotation ("logical" quotations). When using "[[w:scare quotes|scare quotes]]", the comma or period always goes outside.

Examples:

*Arthur said the situation was "deplorable". (Only a fragment is quoted; the [[w:full stop|full stop]] [period] is not part of the quotation.)
*Arthur said, "The situation is deplorable." (The full sentence is quoted; the period is part of the quotation.)
*Martha asked, "Are you coming?" (Inside when quoting a question.)
*Did Martha say, "Come with me"? (Outside when there is a non-interrogative quotation at the end of a question.)

Similarly, when the title of an article requires quotation marks in the text (for example, the titles of songs, poems, etc.), the quotation marks should not be bolded in the summary, as they are not part of the title:

<blockquote>"'''Jabberwocky'''" is a nonsense poem by Lewis Carroll.</blockquote>

Longer quotations may be better rendered in an indented style by starting the first line with a colon or by using <nowiki> <blockquote> </blockquote> </nowiki> notation (see [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Direct quotations|Direct quotations]]), which indents both left and right margins. Indented quotations do not need to be marked by quotation marks. Double quotation marks belong at the beginning of each paragraph in a quotation of multiple paragraphs not using indented style, though at the end of only the last paragraph.

Use quotation marks or indentation to distinguish quotations from other text. There is normally no need to put quotations in italics unless the material would otherwise call for italics (emphasis, use of non-English words, etc.).

====Look of quotation marks and apostrophes====

There are two options when considering the look of the quotation marks themselves:

* [[w:Quotation_mark#Quotation marks in English|Typographic]] <big>“text”, ‘text’</big>
* [[w:Quotation_mark#Typewriter quotation marks|Typewriter]] <big>"text", 'text'</big>

As there is currently no consensus on which should be preferred, either is acceptable. However, it appears that historically the majority of Wikipedia articles, and those on the Internet as a whole, follow the latter style. If curved quotation marks or apostrophes appear in article titles, ensure that there is a redirect with straight glyphs.

Never use grave and acute accents or backticks (<big>`text´</big>) as quotation marks or apostrophes.

===Comments and ideas ===

'''Previously''', to keep things simpler, and to avoid some older software problems, there was strong encouragement on the Wikimedia projects to use typewriter apostrophes and quotation marks (' & ") rather than typographical ones (‘ & ’ & “ & ”) but relatively recent changes have occurred in Wikipedia policies, and consideration of what our policies should be are among a few ideas I am currently beginning to deal with a bit more vigorously. I would support the general adoption of typographically correct punctuation as a preference and recommendation, but I don't think it should be insisted upon, nor that there need be any sweeping program of "cleanup" of articles which use the older "typewriter" punctuation. ~ [[User:Kalki|Kalki]] 03:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I would also propose that styles used should have consistency upon a page, even if not across all pages, and that where they are mixed they should be shifted to all of one style or the other. ~ [[User:Kalki|Kalki]] 04:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

:Our guidelines for quotations from written sources state that the spelling and punctuation should follow that used in the original source. Historically, most subjects are published in only one medium, and the only variance in the style of quotation marks is attributable to differing countries of publication. In the future, however, it may not be unusual for a notable subject to be published in multiple media; even for written sources, conventions may still differ among blogs and other Web pages, Usenet and mailing-list posts, traditional dead-tree media, and online analogues of traditional media. Add to that the possibility that famous authors now frequently appear on radio and television, for which different styles are currently preferred, and the issues multiply.
:There is also the issue of quotation marks used in non-quotation boilerplate, such as citations. It is traditional that individual works in a collection (like stories in an anthology or articles in conference proceedings) get quotation marks. I think most editors use "typewriter" punctuation for this. (If someone can think of a good way to hide this behind a template, while still providing for the common case here of putting bibliographic data in a section heading or intro, it would be worth adopting.) [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] 05:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

:A concrete example of a multi-medium subject: [[w:Charles Stross|Charles Stross]] is a notable British SF author. His books, as published in Britain, presumably use the British style of quotation marks; likewise the American style when issued by a U.S. publisher. But in [http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/index.html his blog], he uses "typewriter" style, and likewise in his frequent postings to the SF newsgroups. Our policy currently suggests that this inconsistency should remain—the written source, after all, is '''authoritative''' as to what it says. You seem to be suggesting that editors should change the style of quotations from his blog to match that of his books (UK or US?), or perhaps vice versa. I don't think this is a good idea. [[User:121a0012|121a0012]] 05:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

== New dates/numbers/measurements section ==

I've written a first pass at Wikiquote style on these elements, based on current practices. I did this mainly because there has been more activity — and controversy — lately about how to format dates, and whether or not to use preference-based date formatting links or Wikipedia year links. I invite everyone to review it and suggest or make changes as needed. Thank you. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 11:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Manual of style

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This '''Manual of Style''' has the simple purpose of making things look alike — it is a [[w:style guide|style guide]]. The following rules don't claim to be the last word. One way is often as good as another, but if everyone does it the same way, [[Wikiquote]] will be easier to read and easier to use, not to mention easier to write and easier to edit.

It is desirable, although not mandatory, to be accurate and precise in adding quotations, proverbs and speeches, and to adhere to the [[Wikiquote:Template|Template]], as standard formatting of pages will make possible parsing our content for a variety of uses, such as quotation counting (verified vs. attributed), generation of theme pages, etc. When editing an existing page you are encouraged to change the formatting to conform to the Template.

Please see [[Wikiquote:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]] for information on '''how''' to use all the different forms of markup, much more than just '''bold''' or ''italic''. This article concentrates on '''when''' to use them, although the examples usually also show the markup.

Please see [[Wikiquote:Guide to layout]] for some simple suggestions on laying out an article.

Some of the standard forms outlined below are available at [[w:Wikipedia:Boilerplate text|Wikipedia:Boilerplate text]] for quick copy-paste into articles.

''Note to contributors to this article: We should keep this "manual" simple and straightforward, with anything TOO hairy (table styles, for instance) relegated to a linked page.''

== Introductions ==
Articles should and sections may begin with a short introductory paragraph. Article introductions should briefly describe the subject of the article; link to a [[w:Main Page|Wikipedia]] article for any additional details. [[Wikiquote:Templates/Themes|Theme articles]] may dispense with the introduction if the title obviously has only one referent. Introductions should be written in complete sentences.

Article introductions should mention the article title and any alternate names by which the same subject is known. For person and theme articles, the first reference to the subject should be in '''bold'''; for subjects like book titles which are normally italicized, the first reference should be in '''''bold italic'''''.

* '''Samuel Langhorne Clemens''', better known as '''[[w:Mark Twain|Mark Twain]]''' (1835–1910), was an [[w:United States|American]] novelist and humorist. …
** <nowiki>'''Samuel Langhorne Clemens''', better known as '''[[w:Mark Twain|Mark Twain]]''' (1835–1910), was an [[w:United States|American]] novelist and humorist.</nowiki> …

* '''''[[w:Hamlet|The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark]]''''' is a tragedy by [[William Shakespeare]] and one of his most well-known and oft-quoted plays. …
** <nowiki>'''''[[w:Hamlet|The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark]]''''' is a tragedy by [[William Shakespeare]] and one of his most well-known and oft-quoted plays.</nowiki> …

People articles should include at least the years of the author's birth and death, if known; birth and death dates should be separated by an ''en dash'', "–". This and many other special characters which may be useful in transcribing names and original text are available in a palette at the bottom of the edit and preview pages. (The en dash is first of the punctuation characters shown.) If the author is still alive, write "(born date-of-birth)" or "(b. date-of-birth)", not "(yyyy–)".

Article introductions are most important for quotations of people or works which are not universally recognized. A good introduction will help other Wikiquote editors find out more about the subject and research additional citations which may belong in the article. (Alternately, a bad or missing introduction may lead to an article being [[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion|proposed for deletion]], if no other editor is able to find sufficient information on the article subject.)

Section introductions should be used to provide additional information about the context of a specific subset of the quotations in an article. In the common case of a section in a [[Wikiquote:Templates/People|person article]] for a specific work of that author, the introduction may include bibliographic details for the work, so that they need not be repeated for each citation.

== Section headings ==
Use the <tt>==</tt> style markup for section headings, not <nowiki>'''</nowiki>. Start with "<tt>==</tt>" (that's two equal signs). If the resulting font looks too big (as many people feel), that's an issue for the Wikiquote-wide stylesheet, not individual articles. Note that with the <tt>==</tt> brackets used, no additional space under the heading is needed. Major benefits of marking headings this way are that the default article format will include "Edit" links in each section to ease editing of large articles, and that words within properly marked headers are given greater weight in searches. Headings also help readers by breaking up the text and outlining the article.

Capitalize the first word and any proper nouns in headings, but leave the rest lower case. (This is known as "[[w:sentence case|sentence case]]".)

Avoid links within headings. Depending on their browser settings, some users may not see them clearly. It is much better to put the appropriate link in the first sentence after the heading.

: ''more: [[w:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings)|Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings)]]''

== List style ==
Nearly everything in Wikiquote, except for article and section introductions, is a list. Specifically, all of the quotations are represented as elements in an ''unnumbered list'', which is expressed in Wiki syntax by beginning a new line of text with an asterisk:

* First item
* Second item
** First sub-item of second item
produces:
* First item
* Second item
** First sub-item of second item

Translations, explanations, and citations should all be represented as subitems following the main item which is the quotation itself.

In some cases, it may be desirable to use a numbered list. Most commonly, numbered lists will be used when the quotation itself consists of a numbered list. The [[w:number sign|number sign]] (pound sign, [[wikt:octothorpe|octothorpe]]) is used to make numbered lists; numbered and unnumbered lists may also be nested arbitrarily.

* First item
* Second item introduces a numbered list:
*# First sub-item
*# Second sub-item
produces:
* First item
* Second item introduces a numbered list:
*# First sub-item
*# Second sub-item

If you accidentally insert a blank line in the middle of a list, the formatting will look odd to most users. Don't do this:

* First item
** Sub-item

** Sub-item

For many browsers, the second sub-item will begin with two bullets:

* First item
** Sub-item

** Sub-item

: ''more: [[w:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists)|Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists)]]''

==Punctuation style==
In most cases, simply follow the usual rules of English punctuation. A few points where the Wikiquote may differ from usual usage follow.

[[Wikiquote:Quotation marks/Archive|Wikiquote guidelines]] used to recommend that all Wikiquote entries be surrounded by quotation marks. It is [[Wikiquote:Quotation marks|now recommended]] that these "extra" quotation marks not be used; Wikiquote is understood to consist almost entirely of quotations, and therefore individual entries do not need them. Many pages remain which still follow the old guidelines, and editors should feel free to update them.

=== Quotations from written sources ===
In almost all cases, a quotation from a written source should follow the punctuation of the original. Exceptions may be made for partial quotations where keeping the original punctuation would result in an unintended change in meaning, and where the original punctuation is archaic or the primary source is unavailable.

Omissions from quoted sources should be indicated with an ellipsis (…). Some editors prefer to put the ellipsis in square brackets. Editors generally should not change the punctuation of a quotation when the differences only reflect differing conventions which vary from edition to edition (for example, American versus British usage).

=== Quotations from non-written sources ===
With '''[[w:quotation mark|quotation mark]]s''', we suggest splitting the difference between American and English usage.

Although it is not a rigid rule, it is probably best to use the "double quotes" for most quotations, as they are easier to read on the screen, and use 'single quotes' for "quotations 'within' quotations". This is the American style.

Note however the following problem with single quotes: if a word appears in an article with single quotes, such as 'abcd', the [[Wikiquote:Searching]] facility will only find it if you search for the word with quotes (when trying this out with the example mentioned, remember that this article is in the Wikiquote namespace). Since this is rarely desirable, this problem is an additional reason to use double quotes, for which this problem does not arise. It may even be a reason to use double quotes for quotations within quotations as well. Since these are comparatively rare, this is not expected to be an issue in practice.

When punctuating quoted passages, put punctuation where it belongs, inside or outside the quotation marks, depending on the meaning, '''not''' rigidly within the quotation marks. This is the British style (''[[w:Fowler's Modern English Usage|Fowler]]'' has good guidelines for this). For example, "Stop!" has the punctuation inside the quotation marks. However, when using "scare quotes", the comma goes outside.

Another example:
: Arthur said the situation was "deplorable". ''(the source we're transcribing quotes only part of a sentence)''
: Arthur said, "The situation is deplorable." ''(full sentence is quoted)''

Keep in mind that if you're quoting several paragraphs, there should be quotes at the beginning of each paragraph, but only at the end of the last paragraph.

For uniformity and to avoid complications use straight quotation marks and apostrophes:
: ' "
not curved (smart) ones or the "backtick":
: ‘ ’ “ ” `
If you are pasting text from [[w:Microsoft Word|Microsoft Word]], remember to turn off the smart quotes feature, unmark this feature in AutoEdit and "AutoEdit during typing"! [http://www.ucar.edu/communications/thisweek/announcements/post/ascii.html] You will probably have to take similiar steps for other word processors that format text beyond simple ascii or unicode, such as [[w:OpenOffice|OpenOffice]]. As an alternative, you can use a simple text editor, such as [[w:Notepad|Notepad]], [[w:vim (text editor)|vim]], and [[w:emacs|emacs]].

== Dates, numbers, measurements ==

In general, Wikiquote follows Wikipedia in its guidelines for the representation of numeric quantities, described in detail at [[w:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)|Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)]]. There are several important project-specific aspects, however, that should be noted:

; Dates

: There is, as yet, no established standard here for representing dates. In general, it is advisable to use one of three relatively common and unambiguous formats: "American" style (January 13, 2007); "European" style (13 January 2007); or [[w:ISO 8601|ISO 8601]] date style (2007-01-13). Do not use ambiguous representations like "03-12-1994" or "11/5/2001", or ordinal representations like "May 5th". Please avoid the use of ISO format in general article text, as it is not as reader-friendly. (It is more commonly used in source citations that are meant primarily for references.)

: In general article text, do not link dates or years to the corresponding Wikipedia articles. Historically this was done to provide useful links to information, but we are moving toward Wikipedia's use of internal links to provide date display formatting based on each user's preference settings. (See the Wikipedia MoS article mentioned above for details.)

: Preference-based date formatting may be used, but is not required, and many editors do not feel it will be appropriate until Wikiquote has established useful year articles. Until then, the only requirement is to avoid ambiguity. If preference-based links ''are'' used, internal month-date links will lead to Wikiquote's [[Wikiquote:Quote of the day|quote-of-the-day]] pages, which display old QoTDs and suggested future quotes, and to year articles, only a handful of which exist at this time, and whose purpose is not yet officiailly defined.

; Numbers and measurements

: Since non-quote material is mostly limited to the article introduction, these formatting issues should be rare. If country-specific formatting becomes an issue, it is usually preferably to abide by Wikipedia style guidelines.

Note that these formatting guidelines apply to non-quote text. Quoted text should always be rendered as originally spoken or written. Context information may be added in sub-bullets or other notational forms if necessary.

==Title style==
As a general rule, the title of a Wikiquote page should be the same as the title of a Wikipedia article on the same subject, including capitalization and accented characters. (If there is no Wikipedia article, perhaps you should write one first.) See [[w:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles)|Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles)]] for specific details. Sometimes a Wikipedia article will have a disambiguator (word or words in parentheses at the end of the title); this is not always strictly necessary in Wikiquote, but using the full Wikipedia title will ease the maintenance of links between the projects.

The names of categories and the category structure generally differ between Wikipedia and Wikiquote; in particular, because Wikiquote has far fewer pages than Wikipedia, Wikiquote categories are often more general than the corresponding Wikipedia categories. Have a look at other pages on similar topics to see which categories are in use before creating a new category for a single article.

==Caption style ==
Photos and other graphics should have captions unless they are "self-captioning" as in reproductions of album or book covers.

Captions should be in italics, using conventional text wherever italics would normally appear.
* ''Many elderly Russians are nostalgic for the ''Stalin'' era''.
** <nowiki>''Many elderly Russians are nostalgic for the ''Stalin'' era.''</nowiki>
* ''Al Jolson in'' The Jazz Singer
** <nowiki>''Al Jolson in'' The Jazz Singer</nowiki>

==Style for words as words==
Italicize words when they are being referenced in a sentence, rather than used normally. Similarly for letters.
* The term ''panning'' is derived from ''panorama'', a word originally coined in [[1787]]
** <nowiki>The term ''panning'' is derived from ''panorama'', a word originally coined in [[1787]]</nowiki>
* The letter ''E'' is the most common letter in English.

==Spelling style==
For the English Wikiquote, either American or English spelling is acceptable.
However, proper names should retain their original spellings. For example ''U.S. Department of Defense'' and ''Australian Defence Force''.

It is in no way a requirement, but it probably reads better to use American spellings in articles on American subjects and English spelling in articles on English subjects. A reference to "the American ''labour'' movement" (with a U) or to "''Anglicization''" (with a Z) may be jarring. It also may be jarring to find both forms in a single article. If the spelling appears in an article name, you should make a redirect page to accommodate "the other language", as with [[Aeroplane]] and [[Airplane]].

Note that when quoting a ''written'' source, you should copy the text exactly as written: that not only includes original spelling (English, American or anarchonistic) but preferably any mistakes made in the original (if you are too concerned about them being fixed, a <code>{{tl|sic}}</code> should be able to solve this). Of course none of this applies in comments, translations or introductions. If the quote is from an oral source (CD, television show) and there is no alternative official written source (lyrics, transcript/shooting script), you may use either, though a slight preference is given to a spelling which reflects the original accent (English spelling for non-U.S. accents, American spellings for U.S. accents).

==Scientific style==
* For [[w:unit|unit]]s of measure use [[w:SI|SI]] units; see also [[w:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)|Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)]].
* For [[mathematics]] and [[w:mathematical formula|mathematical formula]]e, see [[w:Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics|Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics]].

==Citation style==
See [[w:Wikipedia:Cite your sources|Wikipedia:Cite your sources]]

==Free link style==
The use of so-called "free links" to other topics, for example, <nowiki>[[George W. Bush]]</nowiki>, is encouraged. Use the links for all words and terms that appear in your article for which it could be worthwhile to read the linked article. However, don't overdo it. Do not link every occurrence of a word; simply linking the first time the word appears will usually be enough. (This guideline has yet to be discussed for Wikiquote — some feel that it may not be appropriate in the middle of quotations.)

Links that follow the [[w:Wikipedia:Naming conventions|Wikipedia naming conventions]] are much more likely to lead to existing articles, and, if there is not yet an article about that subject, will make the creation of a correctly-named article much easier for later writers.

It is possible to link words that are not exactly the same as the linked article title, <nowiki> [[English language|English]] </nowiki> for example. Make sure however that it is still clear what the link refers without having to follow the link. When making plurals, do <nowiki>[[language]]s</nowiki>. This is clearer to read in wiki form than <nowiki>[[language|languages]]</nowiki> — and easier to type.

Try to link accurately. If an article you want to link doesn't yet exist, do a quick search to find out if that is really the case; the article may be named slightly different from what you expected.

=="See also" styles==
Informal references to related articles that have not been linked from free links in the text are best handled by "See also:", e.g.

: See also: [[Wikipedia:Internet troll|Internet troll]], [[Wikipedia:flaming|flaming]]

Sometimes it may be useful to have an explicit cross-reference in the text, for example, when a long section of text has been moved somewhere else. In these cases, please make the link '''bold''' so that its significance is easier to recognize. Example:

: The legal situation with regard to circumcision varies from country to country (see '''[[Wikipedia:Legal status of circumcision|Legal status of circumcision]]''').

Sometimes, references may also be more formally called out:

== See also ==
* [[War]]
* [[Poverty]]

==URL and World Wide Web style==
Wikiquote is not a link collection and an article with only links is actively discouraged, but it is appropriate to reference more detailed material from the [[w:World Wide Web|World Wide Web]]. This is particularly the case when you have used a web site as an important source of information.

The syntax of referencing a [[w:URL|URL]] is simple, just enclose it in single brackets, <nowiki>[full URL optional text after space]</nowiki>. The URL must begin with ''<nowiki>http://</nowiki>'' or other form, such as ''<nowiki>ftp://</nowiki>''. Most URLs are ugly and uninformative, so it is better to hide them. The "printable version" of a page displays all URLs in full, even if concealed, so no information is lost.

Without the optional text, such an external reference takes the form of a footnote:
* [http://en.wikiquote.org]
** <nowiki>[http://en.wikiquote.org]</nowiki>

If followed by a space and text, the text replaces the URL:
* [http://en.wikiquote.org an open-source compendium of quotations]
** <nowiki>[http://en.wikiquote.org an open-source compendium of quotations]</nowiki>

This form can be used to include a run-in URL reference within text when necessary, as:
* One good example of a cooperative online community is [http://en.wikiquote.org Wikiquote, an open-source compendium of quotations].
** <nowiki>One good example of a cooperative online community is [http://en.wikiquote.org Wikiquote, an open-source compendium of quotations]. </nowiki>

In most cases, however, it is clearer to keep the URL separate at the bottom of the article under a heading like this:
* <nowiki>==External links==</nowiki>

As with other headers, two equals signs should be used to markup the external links header (see ''Headline style'' above).

'''Note:''' At present, without brackets, URLs are presented as is:
* http://en.wikiquote.org
** <nowiki>http://en.wikiquote.org</nowiki>

But this feature may disappear in a future release and in cases where you wish to display the URL because it is intrinsically valuable information, it is better to use the short form of the URL as the optional text:
* [http://en.wikiquote.org en.wikiquote.org]
** <nowiki>[http://en.wikiquote.org en.wikiquote.org]</nowiki>

==Simple tabulation==
Any line that starts with a blank space becomes a fixed font width and can be used for simple tabulation. See [[w:English plural|English plural]] for many examples.

foo bar baz
alpha beta gamma

A line that starts with a blank space with nothing else on it forms a blank line, which can be a confusing error, or may be just what you want.

Or maybe not.

(If you are one of those typists who puts two spaces after a period, you can cause a blank line unknowingly if those blanks are "wrapped" to the beginning of the next line.)

==Stub tags==

Many of the stub tags (e.g. <nowiki>{{people-stub}}</nowiki>, etc.) have been placed at the beginning of an article where they are more likely to be seen and acted on. This is different from [[w:Wikipedia:Stubs|Wikipedia policy]], where stub tags are always placed at the bottom of the article. A discussion is currently underway at [[Wikiquote talk:Stub]] on a consistent policy for Wikiquote articles.

==When all else fails==
If you are faced with a fine point, please use other resources, such as ''[[w:The Chicago Manual of Style|The Chicago Manual of Style]]'' (from the [[w:University of Chicago Press|University of Chicago Press]]) or ''[[w:Fowler's Modern English Usage|Fowler's Modern English Usage]]'' (from the [[w:Oxford University Press|Oxford University Press]]). Where this page differs from the other sources, the usage on this page should be preferred, but please feel free to add to this page or to carry on a discussion on [[Wikiquote talk:Manual of style]].

Even simpler is simply to look at an article that you like and open it for editing to see how the writers and editors have put it together. You can then close the window without saving changes if you like, but look around while you're there. Almost every article can be improved. Maybe you could add some markup to make it fit this style better.

==Don't get fancy==
It's easier for you and whoever follows you if you don't try to get too fancy with your markup. Even with markup as suggested here, you shouldn't assume that any markup you put in is guaranteed to have a certain appearance when it is displayed.

It is easier to display the Wikiquote, easier to edit or add to its articles, if we don't make the markup any more complex than is necessary to display the information in a useful and comprehensible way. A useful compendium is the first goal, but ease of editing and maintenance of that compendium is right behind it.

Among other things, this means use HTML markup sparingly and only with good reason.

==For further information==
Before you start writing or editing, it is a good idea to read through and understand these documents:

''Note to contributors to this page: We need to go over all these and make sure they're up to date too.''

'''Wikiquote:'''
* [[Wikiquote:Policies and guidelines]] is the main stop for policies and, well, guidelines.
* [http://www.piclab.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Notes_On_Writing_Style Lee's notes on writing style] contains one Wikipedian's advice on good language usage.

'''Wikipedia:'''
* [[w:Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers]] is a gentle introduction to the world of Wikipedia.

[[Category:Wikiquote|Manual of style]]
[[Category:Policies needing expansion]]


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== Candidate qualification ==

Regarding a current incident, I would propose we set some qualification for sysop candidates. Those qualification should be applied us current sysops too.

That is
* Sysops should registered and valid wikiquote email address in preferences, or an email address indicated on their user page

In my opinion sysops are accountable for their deeds using their right, and communication channel should be therefore open.

Currently I don't have a reason to add <ins>other requirements to</ins> it, but you may expand ... --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 03:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

: I agree with the email requirement. I'd swear that I had read that this already ''was'' a requirement somewhere in Wikipedia or Meta. I couldn't find it during a quick survey of relevant WP pages, but I believe it had something to do with evolving privacy concerns, to allow sysops to handle some of these issues away from wiki pages that are open to predators and identity thieves. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 06:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:: It is either mentioned on a page or heavily suggested. A candidate would normally get yelled at if they had no e-mail enabled. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 15:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::: I copied it from [[Meta:Administrators]] :) -[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 16:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::::I also support the addition of that requirement. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 17:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

: We might also want to add some general expectations, like a terse version of selected bullets from [[w:Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship#What RfA contributors look for]]. In fact, we might want to supplement this policy/request page with a [[Wikiquote:Guide to requests for adminship]] modelled on the Wikipedia one. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 06:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:: I would support this. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 15:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::: Seconded. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 16:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure I've come across admins on Wikipedia without e-mail enabled but it's a very bad idea.--[[User:Poetlister|Poetlister]] 19:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:I support requiring admins and adminship candidates having valid emails.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 22:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

=== How to apply ===
If we are going to that direction, we need to ensure all existing sysops are able to receive mails. I checked some inactive admins, and they haven't confirmed their mail addresses (the authentification was lately introduced ... in the late of last year). Since they cannot be reached by email, it is nice of us to give them time to enforce it (in some months?) and to make efforts to reach them in other ways, like on other wikis etc. It may imply we remove inactive admins, while I am not sure if it is also on community's consensus. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 16:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:I would stray away from that. I do not think removing inactive admins is a good idea (at least for this project). Everything else that you proposed, though, is a good idea, and I support. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 17:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:: I'm also reluctant to remove inactive sysops without first communicating with them, but it is not unreasonable for a project to choose to do so. Some of our absent folks are at least semi-active elsewhere, so we might reach them via those other projects. For the rest, we could either:
::* Have a [[w:grandfather clause|grandfather clause]] for inactive sysops, so they need not register an email unless they become active again. (In this case, we should probably might mention, in any policies that suggest emailing a sysop, that users should just try another if the email doesn't work. I can easily imagine the frustration of a wikian who is told they should email a sysop only to find the one they chose is unreachable, "proving" that Wikiquote is just like any modern "customer service" organization — call us and we'll ignore you.)
::* After Aphaia's delay (I'd suggest at least 1 month but no more than 3), de-sysop any unreachable folks, with the provision that they may be speedily re-sysopped if they eventually return to request it and register an email.
:: ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 21:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I see that the list of sysops is already split into active and inactive ones. Presumably, anyone wishing to call a sysop would go for the active ones.--[[User:Cato|Cato]] 22:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:WP does not de-sysop inactive admins, and I can't see anything useful would be achieved by doing so. Users have been known to return after 2 years even, so a maximum of 3 months leeway seems rather tight. I'm also against formally enforced email enablement. There's no reason why an admin should not be able to restrict their activities to the wiki site and still be viable. Email opens people to various potential problems, including spamming and abuse. I am not against it being a consideration during RfA, but it should not be a sole determining factor. Admins who wish to retain anonymity might consider a googlemail address, which does not reveal the IP in the header, unlike yahoo for example. Gmail might require an invite, but I can issue one to anybody on request (I have email enabled). [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 04:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:::WP may not, but meta does. We have to understand the difference between the projects. Meta does it because there are many and it is a secondary project, you only keep it whilst you need it. Quote is different, it is a primary project, people may come back after a long 'break and it is smaller, we need all the sysops we can get. :-P Commons reconfirms because it is a large thing to be a commons sysop, they control a lot of different projects. If you delete an image there, it disappears from a large number of sites. Meta also controls the sites like <http://www.wikiquote.org/>, the write the code and update them. It could cause a lot of damage if someone messed up. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 15:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It is slightly hard to spam someone with e-mail from WQ via the e-mail user function. I am sure that there are certain restrictions on the amount of times a user can e-mail another. If one cannot handle abuse from a blocked vandal (the vandal's last and only resort is to yell at you), then one may not be a blocking-sysop material. It definitely won't be the sole-determing factor, but those without it may get scolded. I don't belive anyone expect the e-mail to be the user's primary one, it could even be something like tyrenius.wikiquote@gmail.com. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 15:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

::I agree with [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]]; we are not like some projects (Commons for instance) who confirm their admins each year. The number of continually active Wikiquotians is small and most of those who continue to be active are the sysops. Wikipedia does normally expect sysops to have email enabled for matters such as blocked users contesting their blocks and I don't see the problem with strongly encouraging sysops to enable their email. [[User:Fys|Fys]]. [[User:Fys|Ta]] [[Special:Contributions/Fys|fys]] [[User talk:Fys|aym]]. 09:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:::One major benefit of removal of inactive admins is to avoid stealing sysop password. English Wikisource removes flags from inactive admins mainly in this reason. The benefit of annual review has its benefit, but I admit currently we might have not to implement these systems.
:::As for mail reachability, we seem to reach the agreement "sysops and candidates should be reached by wikimail" with some reservation for oldbies? The sysop flag was basically given on the community consensus (except mav, see below), so theoretically community consensus can determine how to handle them, and our common sense seems to say "have them keep their flag for now" - and already pointed out, it is unlike to happen someone tries to contact first them, not active sysops. We can try to contact him outside of the project a/o leave a note on their talks about the new requirement and recommendation to the time they are back.
:::As for mav (Daniel Mayer). I think we cause no problem if we remove sysop flag from mav, since it was apparently for his emergent need. Once I asked his opinion about that, but he didn't give a special interest. I have no problem to let him hold the flag too. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 07:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Password theft is extremely unlikely (even less so than WP with a number of long inactive admins) and bad actions would soon be spotted and reversed. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 01:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
But Daniel Mayer is the only user here who can remove the sysop flag - you have to be a steward.--[[User:Cato|Cato]] 22:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:Um, yes, we know, but there are never local stewards and I think we all know about desysopings needing to be carried out by stewards. :) '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 00:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::It is obvious we need ask a steward for help. As for desysopping a steward, I see no problem, since 1) it seems actually for emergency need and 2) we see some stewards removed their flags due to inactivity (e.g. English Wikisource), so it is primarily up to us.
::Another way is to count those people outside of the local sysop team either active or inactive, like [[n:Project:Administrators|English Wikinews]]. On thier list, we don't see the people who retain their sysop access not through the community vote. I think it make some sense since those people are not sysops in the ordinary meaning, hence not a part of sysop team who serve the daily needs of the project with their mops. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 13:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Proposal revised ==

Regarding the discussion on the above, I hereby proposed again the rule as following:

* Definition
;Active sysop
:Users who have sysop privileges and edited within <ins>three months</ins><s>one month</s>
:* provised through the discussion below.
;Inactive sysop
:Users who have sysop privileges and made no edit within <ins>three months</ins><s>one month</s>
:* provised through the discussion below.
:* Currently they are described "have sysop privileges here, but are now seldom involved as editors" as well the people on the below
;Guest sysop
:Users who have sysop privileges due to technical/operational reasons, not through the English Wikiquote community process.

Here we are concerns the first two administrators who have been voted by the community, and leave the guest (I mean Brion and mav) alone for a while.

As for mail reachability requirement,
* Active sysops must make their wikimail active. Sysop candidates too. Instead of activation, they may put their email address on their userpages.
*: -> In principal, sysops should registered and valid wikiquote email address in preferences, or an email address indicated on their user page. For active sysops, as well sysop candidates, it is mandatory.
* Inactive sysops including guest sysops are recommended to make their wikimail on the talk. If they are back and become active again, they are expected to activate their mail preferences.
* In this moment, we are not going far to distinguish guests from inactive sysops as a whole; it may be a topic someday (in a month later, as JeffQ suggested?), but not for now.

Your comment will be appreciated. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 04:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' completely. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 19:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support''', except I feel the "inactive" period should be at least three months. Wikibreaks (or at least Wikiquote-breaks) of more than a month are not unusual even among sysops here. I don't think we should consider them "inactive" until they've been gone for a while (in Wikiquote terms). ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 22:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
**I would not be opposed to this. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 22:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

* '''Unopposed''' : I've never really been too concerned about this, but I do feel a three month period is more appropriate than a one month period. I myself have contemplated the possible need for my being absent for a month or more, and out of contact with the internet, but have not thus far needed to be out of contact for more than a few days at a time. ~ [[User:Kalki|Kalki]] 23:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Clarification Requested''' We are just talking about the definition of guest, active, and inactive, correct? Not what happens to a sysop when (s)he reaches that threshold (i.e. sysop status removed...)? '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 23:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:That is my understanding. I would be opposed to de-sysoping anyone merely for any period of absence. ~ [[User:Kalki|Kalki]] 00:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
::Ditto re not de-sysopping.
::: I didn't see anything in Aphaia's proposal about de-sysopping, which strikes me as a separate issue. Given the contention elsewhere on this issue, my support above is purely for the active/inactive distinction and the expecations of email contact that go with it. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 04:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:::: I know, I was just making sure because it was discussed above. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 04:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
::::: Thank you for making it clear, as Jeffq and Kalki pointed out, my proposal is mainly concerned with active/inactive sysop distinction and requirement for those two. I left the problem when we see someone inactive in my first proposal, and proposed term is therefore a tentative idea. Now I think lack of three months activity a sensible measure. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 04:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' listing after 3 months.
**Alternative - bands, i.e. admins edited within 1 month | 3 months | 1 year | more than 1 year |
**Alternative - bot created refreshable list of last edit time.
**Alternative - admins sign in to a special page when they start editing and erase their last sign in. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 00:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
*** These alternatives all sound like technical solutions in search of a non-apparent problem. With all things about Wikiquote, we should never add complexity unless it directly and simply solves a clear problem (and is easy for everyone to maintain). ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 04:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support''' with the three-month proviso. - [[User:InvisibleSun|InvisibleSun]] 11:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support''', using the three-month period. ~ [[User:UDScott|UDScott]] 13:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support''' All seems eminently sensible. People do take short breaks; this is my first edit for a few days.--[[User:Poetlister|Poetlister]] 19:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' seems reasonable, we may adjust the time periods in the future but let's go with it. [[User:Fys|Fys]]. [[User:Fys|Ta]] [[Special:Contributions/Fys|fys]] [[User talk:Fys|aym]]. 10:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support''' The proposed email reachability requirement and inactive definition (3 months) seem good to me. [[User:Iddo999|iddo999]] 12:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' listing after 3 months, but please specify what you plan with regard to inactive admins.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 22:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

:Thank you for your additional support, currently we seem to decide to do nothing for active fellows. I left a message about mail confirmation on their talks. That may be all we agreed on that we would do for them. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 22:08, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

== text revised, please review ==

With the power of your support, I revised the document([{{fullurl:Wikiquote:Requests for adminship|diff=467378&oldid=452488}} diff]). Changes are found at the top (rule part) and at the bottom (sysop list parts). I colored the rule parts so that new inserts are colored and easily distinct from the former part. Please check the current revision if it is okay for you . --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 05:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have made some changes in wording, but other than that, it looks good. '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 18:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::Poetlister proofread it too, thanks you two. Now I removed color and merge it into the existing parts completely. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 17:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Requests for adminship

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{{shortcut|[[WQ:RFA]]}}
Here you can make a '''request for adminship''' on English Wikiquote. See [[Wikiquote:Administrators]] for what this entails and for a list of current admins.

Request for adminship on any other language Wikiquote projects should be made on particular projects, not here.

Current English Wikiquote policy is to grant administrator status to anyone who has been an active Wikiquote contributor for a while and is generally a known and trusted member of the community. Most users seem to agree that the more administrators there are the better.

There are three categories for administrators: active, inactive and guest. Active administrators are the English Wikiquote users who have sysop privileges and edited within three months. Inactive administrators are the English Wikiquote users who have sysop privileges and made no edit within three months. Guest administrators are the English Wikiquote users who have sysop privileges due to technical/operational reasons, not through the English Wikiquote community process hereby described.

In principle, administrators should register a valid email address and allow other users to send them messages in preferences, or an email address indicated on their user page. For active sysops, as well sysop candidates, it is mandatory. Inactive sysops and guest sysops are recommended to put their wikimail addresson their talk pages. If they are back and become active again, they are expected to activate their mail preferences.

If you want to become an administrator, please add your name to the list below and make it sure you can accept wikimail. Any user can comment on your request -- they might express reservations (because, for example, they suspect you will abuse your new-found powers, or if you've joined very recently), but hopefully they will approve and say lovely things about you.

Nominations must be posted for '''at least one week''', to provide opportunity for comments and voting, before additional privileges can be given.

If there is general agreement that someone who requests adminship should be given it, then a [[meta:Bureaucrat|bureaucrat]] will make the promotion.

Resignations should be requested at [[m:Requests for permissions|Meta Requests for permissions]], both self-resignations and de-sysoping requested by the community. A [[m:Steward|steward]] will take care of the desysopping.

For closed votes, see [[#Past discussions]].

== Requests for adminship ==


== Nominations for adminship ==
''Note: Nominations have to be accepted by the user in question. If you nominate a user, please also leave a message on their talk page and inform them about their listing on this page, and ask them to '''reply here if they accept the nomination'''.''

* I nominate ...

== Requests for bureaucratship ==

I request for bureaucrat access on the English Wikiquote. While it seems sufficient for the current workload to have one b'crat (i.e. bureaucrat right wasn't used in the last month; no promotion, no request for changing username, bot flag requesst is not so clouded), and as far as I know our bureaucrat has always been active, I've concluded it might be not a bad idea for the project there are several hands available, regarding the current increase of users. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 17:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support''' : Though language complications can sometimes be a problem, Aphaia has wide familiarity with many Wikimedia projects and concerns, and is far more familiar with many policy details than I am even inclined to be interested in becoming. There could be periods in the months ahead where I actually am out of contact with the internet for many days or even weeks at a time, and Aphaia has always been a responsible and involved administrator. ~ [[User:Kalki|Kalki]] 18:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support''' Aphaia is one of the most active users and sysops currently on the project. She is heavily involved in bureaucratic areas and is frequently one of the few to tackle tough issues like policy changes. I have no doubt that Aphaia will contribute greatly, be an asset to the project, and work very will with our other bureaucrat (Kalki). Also per Kalki. :) '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 20:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. Kalki has done an excellent job as our sole bureaucrat, of course, but I would definitely like to have at least two people in any essential role. Aphaia is unquestionably one of the most broadly experienced Wikimedians (perhaps even ''the'' most) in our sysop staff. I have no doubt she can execute the responsibilities of Wikiquote bureaucratship (bureaucrathood?) responsibly and effectively. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 22:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support.''' - [[User:InvisibleSun|InvisibleSun]] 21:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. Bureaucrats are rarely called on to exercise their powers, but they might be needed at any time. Having only one bureaucrat can be a problem. Aphaia is totally dedicated to the project and has good judgment. [[User:Fys|Fys]]. [[User:Fys|Ta]] [[Special:Contributions/Fys|fys]] [[User talk:Fys|aym]]. 21:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. -- [[User:Jaxl|Jaxl]][[User talk:Jaxl|Talk]] 00:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - [[User:Iddo999|iddo999]] 01:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Requests for de-adminship ==

==Current administrators==
Administrators are marked with "(sysop)" in the [[special:Listusers|list of user accounts]]. Bureaucrats with "(bureaucrat)".
If you need to contact an administrator, visit one or several of the userpages below.
Administrators who have not listed their email addresses can still be contacted by using the "email this user" link on the page, if you have signed in with an email address of your own.
An automatically generated list of current administrators is [[Special:Listadmins|available here]].

'''The following users are active sysops, who currently have sysop privileges, and remain regular editors here:'''

# [[User:Kalki|Kalki]]
# [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]]
# [[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]]
# [[User:Jni|Jni]]
# [[User:Iddo999|Iddo999]]
# [[User:UDScott|UDScott]]
# [[User:Jaxl|Jaxl]]
# [[User:LrdChaos|LrdChaos]]
# [[User:InvisibleSun|InvisibleSun]]
# [[User:Fys|Fys]]
# [[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]
# [[User:Poetlister|Poetlister]]

'''The following users are inactive: they have sysop privileges here, but are now seldom involved as editors:'''
# [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]]
# [[User:MosheZadka|MosheZadka]]
# [[User:Nanobug|Nanobug]]
# [[User:Quadell|Quadell]]

'''Guest sysops: they have sysop privileges here due to technical/operational reasons, not through the English Wikiquote community process.
# [[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion VIBBER]] (developer); [[m:User:Brion VIBBER|meta]]
#: Brion is however easily contactable on irc #wikimedia. If you are in urgent need, try [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia #wikimedia].
# [[User:Daniel Mayer|Daniel Mayer]] (steward)
#: Daniel Mayer (irc:mav) was the former Wikimedia CFO, now a member of Fundraising committee.



== Current bureaucrat ==
The following user has bureaucrat privileges:

# [[User:Kalki|Kalki]]

== Former administrators ==
The following users had sysop rights at one time but for various reasons are no longer Admins.

# [[User:Essjay|Essjay]]

== Past discussions ==
*[[/Archives/until2004]]
*[[/Archives/2005]]
*[[/Archives/2006]]
*[[/Archives/2007]]

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Wikiquote:Vandalism in progress

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This page exists to post alerts about any incidents of vandalism that are occuring, so that other users and administrators can more promptly respond to them. Wikiquote's definition of vandalism is the same as WikipediA's and can be seen at [[w:Wikipedia:Vandalism]]. Care should be taken before assuming an initial contribution is vandalism unless it's blatantly obvious the user knows what they're doing.

If the vandal is known to attack more then one langauge, or more then one mediawiki wiki, it is recommended they also be noted on [[meta:Vandalism reports]].

== Adding reports ==

It is recommended the following be done when adding a new report. Start a new section, give it a unique title (Usually the name of the offender), then list the accounts/IPs used, and their [[w:Modus operandi|MO]]. The template {{tl|vandal}} can be used to give a number of links handy for dealing with vandals. Its use is <nowiki>{{vandal|NameOrIPOfTheVandal}}</nowiki>, where the text after the | is the IP/name, ''without'' the "User:" prefix. Also note that spaces in a username need to be written as underscores (_). Also, for vandalic ''usernames'' that get blocked indefinately, there exists a template {{tl|indefblockeduser}}.

If you are reporting SPAM (commercial links posted to multiple pages), post about them in the [[#SPAMmers|section on SPAM]].

<center><big>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Wikiquote:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit&section=new}} Add a new report]</big></center>

= Reports =

== [[w:Spam|Spammers]] ==
As SPAMs are one of the most common wiki-vandalisers, they have a seperate section here.

== General / Misc ==

=== {{vandal|Fellowikinews}} ===
This user is a sockpuppet of my account. I am [[n:User:FellowWikiNews]] on Wikinews.org. I would appreciate if someone blocks this account indef. [[User:FWN|FWN]] 00:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

: I have blocked this user as requested, after confirming that:
:* [[n:User:FellowWikiNews]] is a sysop (shown by actions in Wikinews's deletion log).
:* [[n:User:FellowWikiNews]] added this Wikiquote username to [[n:Category:Imposters of FellowWikiNews]] (shown by the WN sysop's user contributions).
: We must be careful in this way, because vandals sometimes make these charges against legitimate users, attempting to confuse sysops who do not know other projects' sysops. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 07:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
::Supported. However in my impression it is not recommendable to choose different usernames on different projects. No, it is no accusation, but from my bitter experience. My IRC nick and wiki username are different, and as you might guess already, when once I was trolled, my impostors assumed my IRC nick on wikis. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 09:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
*Thank you for blocking this account. [[User:FWN|FWN]] 23:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
*I have redirected [[User:FellowWikiNews]] and [[User talk:FellowWikiNews]] to my userpages to prevent impersonation. [http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/FellowWikiNews] [[User:FWN|FWN]] 16:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
** Thanks! ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 16:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

=== [[Bam Margera]] ===

Some parts of its content was blanked twice by anon(s) using the same IP address. Please watch it out. Thanks. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 03:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
:Since then, its text was removed twice. I semip'ed it for a week. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 09:35, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

=== Jcart1534 ===

Please block this user indefinitely. I have that user name, User:Jcart1534, over at Wikinews and the user here is a sockpuppet of my account. I appreciate the help. [[User:Jc1534|Jc1534]] 23:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

: Done. Incidentally, it's actually an impersonator, not a sockpuppet. A [[w:WP:SOCK|sockpuppet]] would be you under other names on a single project. For instance, if you request to get "Jcart1534" assigned to you, it and "Jc1534" would then be your sockpuppets. (More specifically, one account is usually considered the original, and the others sockpuppets.) Sockpuppets need not be a bad thing, but they have far more ill uses, and users, than good ones. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 01:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::The account Jcart1534 was usurped and has been reassigned properly. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 13:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive/005

2007-05-08T10:06:19Z

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[[Category:Wikiquote|{{PAGENAME}}]]
= Task =
''if you have any tasks which you need fellow sysops' hands, please put it on here.''

= General =
== Mail requirement ==
Fellows, please confirm your wiki mail or put it on your userpage. Cheers, --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 10:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

== IP vandal ==

A block on [[user:76.5.105.107]] would be good - cross wiki IP Nazi vandal - moving on to the next clean up - cheers --[[User:Herbythyme|Herby]] [[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]] 07:32, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for your clean-up, Herby. I didn't notice other his vandalisms. Already I put a 24 hours blocking on this IP address, since a similar text was posted on the user page of this IP address. Reviewing other edits, now I support to extend the term.--[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 07:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
::Blocked for a week on WP, Books, Commons & Meta <g> & good morning & thanks --[[User:Herbythyme|Herby]] [[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]] 07:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Slight Problem ==
I recieved a welcome message on my talk page. However, the edit summery was "Asshole." Just wanted to make the admins aware. [[User:Markie|Markie]] 21:10, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, I think that this vandal is trying to create confusion by actually adding the correct welcome message content, but accompanying it with an offensive edit summary. I'm not sure what's the best way to handle this, any ideas? For now I just blocked him for 2 days, and left his edits intact because their content seems fine. [[User:Iddo999|iddo999]] 21:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
:: I think a permanent block is appropriate, as the account was almost certainly created by one of our regular vandals who seem to have nothing more interesting or important to do with their lives than to cause trouble for others. I will delete the pages and renew them just to clean the slate. ~ [[User:Kalki|Kalki]] 22:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Funny thing, this Markie that I responded to here is actually a cross-wiki vandal (see my usertalk page for details). He probably created the "asshole" edit summaries with his other account, and then complained about his actions here. This person is a piece of work... Yes, one good idea is to delete the pages and re-create them without the offensive edit summary, but it's a minor issue so I guess it's also ok to skip it. Whatever you prefer. [[User:Iddo999|iddo999]] 22:19, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Also see: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TUFKAAP and http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kcattaikiw. [[User:FWN|FWN]] 22:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

the usernames [[User:Dark Squall|Dark Squall]] and [[User:Jcart1534|Jcart1534]] (accounts [http://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page= created here] at the same time as that of other impersonation attempts) are those of an admin and a user currently on RfA at Wikinews and appear to be part of the impersonation spree. i've notified the two users on their Wikinews talk pages. [[User:Doldrums|Doldrums]] 22:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
::It is now confirmed after a checkuser that the IP [[Special:Contributions/24.115.238.8|24.115.238.8]], the [[User:MyName]] ([[n:User:MyName]]) vandal, created the vandal accounts. His IP has been blocked indef on Wikinews. [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Requests_for_CheckUser#Iddo999_.28talk_.C2.B7_contribs_.C2.B7_page.C2.A0moves_.C2.B7_block.C2.A0user_.C2.B7_block.C2.A0log.29].
{{unsigned2|00:36 May 6, 2007|FWN}}
:::Wikiquote user [[Special:Contributions/24.115.238.8|24.115.238.8]] was blocked for one week beginning April 28 because of vandalism and harassment, which means that the block would have been lifted right in time for the new bout of vandalism and impersonation today. For this reason and because of the [http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:24.115.238.8|IP history] on Wikinews, I am going to place an indefinite block on Wikiquote as well. - [[User:InvisibleSun|InvisibleSun]] 02:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Timeline of recent WQ/WN impersonation attack ==

I am posting this message simultaneously to [[Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard]] (WQ:AN) and [[n:Wikinews:Admin action alerts]] (WN:ALERT), using my long-established accounts on each project. By examining WQ's Special:Listadmins to find my username and check my contributions to find this edit, everyone can confirm that I am indeed the real Wikiquote sysop Jeffq. By seeing the simultaneous Wikinews edit, which could not be quickly copied, cross-project links changed, and then reposted by a imposter in the same minute, everyone can confirm that I am the real Wikinews user Jeffq and therefore same person as q:User:Jeffq. I have also used this technique in the past, as can be seen in my Wikinews user contributions page, and Wikinews sysops [[n:User:DragonFire1024|DragonFire1024]] and [[n:User:Nyarlathotep|Nyarlathotep]] can vouch that they have seen me do this in the past in an effort to stop impersonators. So much for my credentials.

Here is a timeline of the recent Wikiquote/Wikinews impersonation attack, in which a vandal registered Wikinews's "Markie" on Wikiquote, and Wikiquote's "Iddo999" on Wikinews, as well as several supplement usernames to add to the confusion. I have chronologically ordered the two new username creations and the user contributions of the four principles (real q:User:Iddo999 and n:User:Markie, and imposter's fake n:Iddo999 and q:Markie) to demonstrate how this vandal works. I've coded the edits as follows:

* Real users have black text; imposter's edits are in red text.
* Wikiquote activity is show with a green background; Wikinews activity has a yellow background.
* All times are UTC. The date of the attack is [[5 May]] [[2007]].

I'm hoping that this timeline will help sysops who haven't seen this kind of attack understand how the vandal attempts to provoke them into rash action through alternating reasonable statements and rude comments from supposed foreign sysops with hurt feelings. Here's what happened:

* 20:40 '''FAKE Markie:''' Markie (Talk | contribs | block) New user [http://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=Markie&page=]
* 20:42 '''FAKE Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User:Markie (New page: <div style="margin-bottom:3ex; text-align: center; padding: 1em; border: solid 2px black; background-color: lightblue;">110px[[Image:Flag of t...) (top) [rollback]
* 20:43 '''FAKE Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Markie (New page: You may have more luck contacting me at <nowiki>[http://en.wikinews.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Markie&action=edit&section=new my Wikinews talk page.]</nowiki>)
* 21:10 '''FAKE Markie:''' (hist) (diff) Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard (Notice)
* 21:11 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) NHL:Sharks Lose Game 5 to Wings (tag sources) 
* 21:11 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) NHL:Sharks Lose Game 5 to Wings (unpublish - no cource) (top)
* 21:13 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) Wikinews:Requested articles (→Los Angeles police uses excessive force on immigration protesters - delete copied and pasted article is linked as source anyway) (top)
* 21:20 '''FAKE Iddo999:''' Iddo999 (Talk | contribs) New user [http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=Iddo999&page=]
* 21:21 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) m Category:Proverbs (Reverted edit by Thomaquinaser (talk • contributions) to last version by 210.7.70.46)
* 21:21 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) m Help:Contents (Reverted edit by Thomaquinaser (talk • contributions) to last version by Kalki) 
* 21:21 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) m List of films (Reverted edit by Thomaquinaser (talk • contributions) to last version by 194.225.53.189)
* 21:21 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) m List of literary works (Reverted edit by Thomaquinaser (talk • contributions) to last version by Kalki) (top) <nowiki>[rollback]</nowiki>
* 21:21 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) m List of people by name (Reverted edit by Thomaquinaser (talk • contributions) to last version by Poetlister) (top) [rollback]
* 21:21 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) m Wikiquote:Village pump (Reverted edit by Thomaquinaser (talk • contributions) to last version by Aphaia)
* 21:21 '''FAKE Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (New page: '''Please Leave A Message''')
* 21:21 '''FAKE Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) User:Iddo999 (New page: I've been working mostly on the '''Noam Chomsky''' page so far. I also translated the entire page into Hebrew. In case you see a sourced quote I added that doesn't have an online link...)
* 21:23 '''FAKE Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) Wikinews:Admin action alerts (PLEASE HELP WIKIQUOTE MASSIVE RAPID-FIRE ATTACK)
* 21:24 '''FAKE Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) Wikinews:Admin action alerts (→MASSIVE RAPID-FIRE ATTACK AT WIKIQUOTE)
* 21:27 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) Wikinews:Admin action alerts (→MASSIVE RAPID-FIRE ATTACK AT WIKIQUOTE)
* 21:29 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (you said leave a message)
* 21:29 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User:Iddo999 (fix the link) (top)
* 21:32 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) Large Crowds in Midwest: Obama Increases Security (correct date template and tag sources) (top)
* 21:32 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:AnnaLothson (weclome) (top)
* 21:32 '''FAKE Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (MASSIVE-ATTACK?)
* 21:33 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Havelock (welcome)
* 21:34 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) Wikinews:Admin action alerts (→MASSIVE RAPID-FIRE ATTACK AT WIKIQUOTE - rmv section - not related to wn and is now under control)
* 21:36 '''FAKE Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Markie (WHATEVER)
* 21:38 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (Wikiquote)
* 21:39 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Markie (it wasn't me)
* 21:39 '''FAKE Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (Jerk)
* 21:41 '''FAKE Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Markie (RUDE BEHAVIOR ON WIKIQUOTE) (top)
* 21:42 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Havelock (Water cooler)
* 21:42 '''FAKE Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (RE: it wasent me)
* 21:43 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Markie (→it wasn't me - re) (top) [rollback]
* 21:44 '''FAKE Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (→RE: it wasent me)
* 21:45 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (→Wikiquote)
* 21:47 '''FAKE Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (CONFIRM IDENTITY)
* 21:48 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (→Wikiquote)
* 21:50 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (re)
* 21:50 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (→Wikiquote)
* 21:51 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (→Wikiquote - sign)
* 21:52 '''FAKE Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (→Wikiquote)
* 21:55 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard (→Slight Problem)
* 22:02 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) Wikinews:Admin action alerts (→Cross-Wiki impersonation - reply) (top)
* 22:04 '''Real Markie:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (blocked template) (top)
* 22:11 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) User talk:Iddo999 (→Markie and Iddo999 account - re)
* 22:19 '''Real Iddo999:''' (hist) (diff) Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard (top) [rollback]

Here's how I see the sequence of events:

* Imposter registers fake q:Markie and complains at [[Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard]] about vandal's welcome message, actually from himself using another new username.
* Real n:Markie happens to be doing ordinary editing at the time.
** NOTE: I suspect Markie was chosen as a currently-editing, known sysop who hadn't been involved in this kind of attack before.
* Getting no WQ reaction yet, imposter registers fake n:Iddo999.
* Real q:Iddo999 happens to be doing vandalism reversion, possibly by same vandal under another account.
** NOTE: Again, Iddo999 was probably chosen as a actively-editing, known sysop unfamiliar with this attack pattern.
* Imposter, using fake n:Iddo999, posts "MASSIVE RAPID-FIRE ATTACK AT WIKIQUOTE" messages at [[n:Wikinews:Admin action alerts]].
* Real n:Markie tries to respond to this on alert page and n:Iddo999 talk page.
* Meanwhile on Wikiquote, fake q:Markie asks real q:Iddo999 on his talk page a logical question: why ask me to help?
* On Wikinews, after doing some more ordinary editing, real n:Markie decides to delete irrelevant alert.
* Imposter, as fake n:Iddo999, goes to Wikinews and dismisses real n:Markie with a "WHATEVER" on his talk page. Real n:Markie calmly justifies removal on n:Iddo999's talk page.
* Imposter quickly returns to Wikiquote as fake q:Markie and calls real q:Iddo999 a "JERK" on his talk page. Real q:Iddo999 calmly denies the attack and suggests it's the vandal.
* Imposter goes back to Wikinews as fake n:Iddo999 and complains to real n:Markie of "RUDE BEHAVIOR" on his talk page.
* Imposter quickly returns to Wikiquote as fake q:Markie and claims "it wasent me".
* Imposter goes back to Wikinews and posts a ''textually'' convincing claim to be real WQ sysop asking him to "CONFIRM IDENTITY", but the URL in the link reveals another insult. Real n:Markie nevertheless follows the reasonable request.
* On Wikiquote, real q:Iddo999 posts a notice of the vandalism from fake q:Markie under the latter's "Slight Problem" at WQ:AN.
* Imposter tries one more insulting post on Wikinews to real n:Markie before ceasing activity with these two fake usernames.

As I said the first time I saw one of these attacks unfold, I believe the best course of action during the attacks is for each project's sysops to temporarily block the newly-created, supposed foreign sysop names. Once this is done, the confusion from ''these'' names will cease. At this point, the real sysops from the projects can confirm whether or not they are the new users on the other project by posting a note on their home project, either on their own user talk page or an appropriate project page (like WQ:AN or WN:ALERT). The other project's sysops can then verify their identity by finding the sysop name using [[Special:Listadmins]] (which unlike an admin-list page cannot be spoofed by vandals), clicking the linked username, then checking that user's contributions to find the confirmation posting. For example:

# Block wikiquote:User:Markie and wikinews:User:Iddo999 for 1 day.
# Each real sysop posts something to their own project; e.g.:
#* wikinews:User:Markie posts to wikinews:WN:ALERT: "The current wikiquote:User:Markie is not me. Please disable this account and/or allow me to re-register it." -OR- "wikiquote:User:Markie ''is'' me. Please unblock it."
#* wikiquote:User:Iddo99 posts to wikiquote:WQ:AN: "The current wikinews:User:Iddo999 is not me. Please disable this account and/or allow me to re-register it." -OR- "wikinews:User:Iddo999 ''is'' me. Please unblock it."
#*: NOTE: I don't recommend links in this message, because they can be spoofed. Keep it simple.
# Each real sysop checks the foreign project's [[Special:Listadmins]] to find the other's confirmation post.
#* q:User:Iddo99 finds "Markie" in [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:Listusers?username=Markie&limit=50&group=sysop Wikinews's listadmins], clicks on his userpage link, then finds his confirmation post in user contributions.
#* n:User:Markie finds "Iddo999" in [http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Special:Listusers?username=Iddo999&limit=50&group=sysop Wikiquote's listadmins], clicks on his userpage link, then finds his confirmation post in user contributions.
#*: NOTE: Again, don't trust my links here. Enter "Special:Listadmins" in the Search box and follow the wiki-generated links.
# Each sysop now knows whether or not the foreign username is valid, based on the other's posted confirmation message. Each can make the block permament, reverse it, or refer it to a project bureaucrat for reassignment to the established Wikian of that name.

I would recommend ''not'' attempting to communicate with the other project, except to post a single request for such a confirmation if they haven't already noticed the impersonation. (Since this vandalism requires the participation of at least one sysop from each project, this is usually not necessary.) Once the accounts are temporarily blocked, the first thing one should check is the user contributions of the real sysop on the other project to look for the confirmation message on some page. The vandal ''will'' do his best to sow confusion by making identity-request posts, so the best action is to ignore anything posted to your home project until you see an identity confirmation message on the foreign project.

Of course, the best way to avoid the entire problem is for every sysop on Wikiquote and Wikinews to register their home project username on the other project, even if they never plan to use it. If done with a simultaneous edit to one's user or user talk page that indicates you are establishing a foreign-project account, this will allow that other project to trust you are not a vandal doing this. Until we have [[m:Help:Unified login|unified login]], this is perhaps the most effective way to avoid these attacks.

By the way, please note that the vandal will be reading this message. (He has quoted me in at least two attacks to attempt to make them sound more legitimate.) If you don't think this will affect you, understand that he will surely be attacking another set of sysops in the near future. Don't leave yourself vulnerable to this impersonation. Cross-register your usernames. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 01:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
:Of course, as you see from the above, cross-registering your usernames (even if you never use them) will make life easier for everyone! If we had done so, we wouldn't have wasted a lot of Jeff's life by making him color code a chart for us on cross-wiki actions. :) '''[[User:Cbrown1023|Cbrown1023]]''' '''[[User talk:Cbrown1023|talk]]''' 02:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:You can always see who has your username registered across all the Wikimedia wikis by using [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/SUL this tool]. I encourage EVERYBODY (regular users and admins alike) to see if their username is being used by someone other than themselves. [[User:Zachary|Zachary]] [[User talk:Zachary|talk]] 05:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== I've been impersonated ==
There's now an account in my name on WikiNews.

21:17, 5 May 2007 Poetlister (Talk | contribs) New user

Can it be blocked please?--[[User:Poetlister|Poetlister]] 22:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not sure if they have been aware of your request, but anyway it was blocked as follows;
::23:29, 6 May 2007 FellowWikiNews (Talk | contribs) blocked "Poetlister (contribs)" with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled) (Abusing multiple accounts)
:We are better to have a dedicated place for exchanging on going cross-wiki vandalisms, like as noticeboard? --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 10:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Sockpuppetry? ==

I just welcomed two new users: [[User:Chinolayne]] and [[User:J Pittman]], created in the last few minutes. They both started by editing [[List of films]]. Coincidence?--[[User:Poetlister|Poetlister]] 22:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea. {{User|Chinolayne}} has no edit but List of films. {{User|J Pittman}} has several edits besides that, even his or her edits are not so much good, at least on an existing film[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119683/]. It could be coincidence, or not.

According to Single-user login conflict search, both usernames are found only on English Wikiquote. [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/SUL?user=Chinolayne Chinolayne]
[http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/SUL?user=J+Pittman J Pittman].

If you find a bad scant, it may be a good reason to ask a steward to perform CU. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 10:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Emma Watson wikiquote page ==

This was supposed to be unblocked on May 6th, 2007. It is still blocked. Just thought you should know.
:Thanks. The protection was already expired. I removed the tag. --[[User:Aphaia|Aphaia]] 18:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Local embassy

2007-05-08T10:04:12Z

Pene Naranjo: Wikiquote:Local embassy moved to Wikiquote:Ass Pus Embassy: Because I can because I can can yes I can I surely can.

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Wikiquote:Requested entries

2007-05-08T10:02:39Z

Pene Naranjo:

{{shortcut|[[WQ:REQ]]}}
This is a page to make requests for articles not yet in Wikiquote. Or you could "[[w:Be bold|Be bold!]]" and make the article yourself. An introduction to writing articles for Wikiquote is at [[Help:Contents]].

There is no guarantee that anyone will work on these requests.

<div style="font-size: 150%; text-align:center;">[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Wikiquote:Requested entries|action=edit&section=new}} '''Add a new request''']</div>

[[Category:Wikiquote|Requested entries]]

[[cs:Wikicitáty:Požadované články]]
 
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==Sam fisher or Splinter Cell==
Anyone? Im planning on replaying most of these again soon so ill find some soon.

"Medals don't help me sleep at night."

"When you get close, close enough to read the label on his uniform, close enough to smell his aftershave, then every step he takes is one you have allowed him to take, every decision he makes is one you have allowed him to make."

Interrogations:
"Pick a number between 1 and 10." - Fisher
"Oh...god..um..one, wait no.. 3!" - Interrogatee
"Damn, lucky guess. You get to live. Now tell me something useful or we play another round." - Fisher

==[[Vicente Guerrero]]==
*"Compañeros, this old man is my father. He has come to offer me rewards in the name of the Spaniards. I have always respected my father but my country comes first."[http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:_OPqfJPHlssJ:www.mexconnect.com/mex_/history/jtuck/jtvguerrero.html+site:www.mexconnect.com+%22Compa%C3%B1eros,+this+old+man+is+my+father.+He+has+come+to+offer+me+rewards+in+the+name+of+the+Spaniards.+I+have+always+respected+my+father+but+my+country+comes+first.%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1]
[[w:Vicente Guerrero|Vicente Guerrero]] Earlier president of Mexico.

==Eric Cartman==
"Goddammit! I hate you guys!"
"Mine kitty, no mine!"
"This sucks ass"
==David Lemcoe==
:''"Who will guard the guards"''
:''"What the, oh my snap"''
:''"Snap!"''
David Lemcoe

==World War II==
Anyone want to add World War II related quotes?

:''"Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men." ''
Douglas Bader quotes (British World War II pilot)

==[[Cheech and Chong]]==
Quotes from Up In Smoke?

==[[Bill Wiseman]]==

* The only thing that is truly consistent is inconsistancy.

::Who is Bill Wiseman? Anyone has a link to what makes him notable? ~ [[User:MosheZadka|MosheZadka]] [[User talk:MosheZadka|(Talk)]] 2 July 2005 07:07 (UTC)

I *believe* that Bill Wiseman is simply a psudonym. Bill being a rather common name, "wise" and "man" being put togeather to make it seem like an actual name. I may be wrong.

Not so a psudonym. The saying was an apothegm uttered by Bill Wiseman, a Vice President of United Artists Broadcasting, during a meeting in New York City regarding the new television station in Cleveland Ohio, Channel 43.

==[[William O. Douglas]]==
*"As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."

If anyone was wondering, William O. Douglass was a supreme court justice. Big on 1st amendment rights.

==[[Edward Thurlow]]==

* Corporations have neither bodies to be punished nor souls to be damned.

==[[C. S. Lewis]]==
Some C. S. Lewis quotes would be good. He has all kinds of books just begging to be quoted. With the new movie they would probably be reasonably well-used.

"You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body."

"Really, a young Atheist cannot guard his faith too carefully. Dangers lie in wait for him on every side."
--Surprised by Joy

"You must not do, you must not even try to do, the will of the Father unless you are prepared to 'know of the doctrine'."
--Surprised by Joy

"Every sin is the distortion of an energy breathed into us..."
--Letters to Malcolm

"Now that I am a Christian I do not have moods in which the whole thing looks very improbable: but when I was an atheist I had moods in which Christianity looked terribly probable."
--Mere Christianity

"Democracy demands that little men should not take big ones too seriously; it dies when it is full of little men who think they are big themselves."
--'Notes on the Way' Time and Tide

"The surest way of spoiling a pleasure [is] to start examining your satisfaction."
--Surprised by Joy

"Morality or duty...never yet made a man happy in himself or dear to others."
--English Literature in the 16th Century

"If you are really a product of a materialistic universe, how is it that you don't feel at home there?"
--Encounter with Light

"God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world."
--The Problem of Pain

"What we call Man's power over Nature turns out to be a power exercised by some men over other men with Nature as its instrument."
--The Abolition of Man

"It is in the process of being worshipped that God communicates His presence to men."
--Reflections on the Psalms

"We live, in fact, in a world starved for solitude, silence, and private: and therefore starved for meditation and true friendship."
--The Weight of Glory

"When God becomes man, that Man, of all others, is least comforted by God, at His greatest need. There is a mystery here which, even if I had the power, I might not have the courage to explore."
--The World's Last Night

"Those who are enjoying something, or suffering something together, are companions. Those who enjoy or suffer one another, are not."
--That Hideous Strength

"When two people achieve lasting happiness, this is not solely because they are great lovers but because they are also--I must put it crudely--good people; controlled, loyal, fair-minded, mutually adaptable people."
--"We have No Right to Happiness," in God in the Dock

"Language exists to communicate whatever it can communicate. Some things it communicates so badly that we never attempt to communicate them by words if any other medium is available."
--Studies in Words

collected from http://quotes.zaadz.com/c_s_lewis

==[[Murray Wells]] aka planetthoughtful==

* It's easy to take offence but it's hard to put it back.
* No one ever dreams of growing up to be a backup vocalist.
* If music be the food of love then let us eat our ears!

==[[Charles Studd]]==

*I know that cricket would not last, and honour would not last, and nothing in this world would last, but it was worth while living for the world to come.
*Some want to live within the sound of church or chapel bell; I want to run a rescue mission within a yard of hell.

== unknown entry ==

WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR DREAMS AND JUST RESIDENT ACADEMIA, WE ARE BUT BACILUS UNDER A MICROSCOPE-ONECELLED ONE DIMENSIONAL ORGANISMS SLITHERING THROUGH LIFE NOT KNOWING THE WORLD AROUND US OR THE FUTURE WHICH LIES AHEAD---DG1992

== Request! ==

Quotes from:

*His Dark Materials Series By: [[Phillip Pullman]] - sp correction: [[Philip Pullman]] (one "l" in his first name); see [[w:Philip Pullman]]
*Across the Wall By: [[Garth Nix]]
*The Heart Reader By: [[Terri Blackstock]]
*The Romance of the Three Kingdoms By: [[Luo Guanzhong]]
*Myth of Mental Illness By: [[Thomas Szasz]]
*Of Mice and Men By: [[John Steinbeck]]
*The Death and Life of Great American Cities By: [[Jane Jacobs]]

==[[BunBun]]==
Contrary to Popular belief, we do have lives off of the Computer.

== Kingdom Hearts(the series) ==

*"Ass pus, it's not just for breakfast anymore!"
*"There will always be a door to the light!"
-The King (Mickey Mouse)

*"The heart may be weak and sometimes it may even give in. But I've learned that deep down, there's a light that never goes out!!"
-Sora

=== Conversations ===

*"Jafar, let Jasmine go!"
"Not a chance. You see, she is a princess. One of seven who somehow hold the key to opening The Door."
"Open-"
"-The Door?"
"But you fools won't live to see what lies beyond it..."
Aladdin, Jafar, Goofy and Donald Duck

*"Kingdom hearts, fill me with darkness! Darkness, supreme darkness."
"You're wrong! I know now, without a doubt, that kingdom hearts... Is light!"
Door opens, light floods out.
"Light... but why?"
Ansem, Sora

== Leon Spinks ==
[[Leon Spinks]]
any other boxers
==The Virgin Queen==
[[The Virgin Queen]]
[[Coldplay]]
[[Ronald Weasley]]
[[Gwen Stefani]]
[[Moby]]
[[Tookie Williams]]
[[The Warriors]]
[[Emma Watson]]
[[Zaboo]]
[[Agent Under Fire]]
[[Eyes]]
[[Jayla]]
[[Bre]]
[[Nik]]
[[Kim]] ANTM
[[Jamie Foxx]]
[[Forest Gump]]
[[Black Panther Party]]
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== On Bidding for Contracts ==
There is a quote about when participating in a competitive bidding process that goes something like "The losers are wondering somethingorother, and the winner is wondering what he calculated wrong". I tried various searches here and on google and couldn't find anything, maybe someone who remembers more of the quote can develop this further? I would have created a stub, but this seems to vague to warrant it yet. -- matt at lackof org 2006/01/23

== Tons Of Great Quotes For You To Use! ==

:''NOTE: This text was moved from [[Talk:Main Page]] and a signature and timestamp added.'' ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 13:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

===Thomas Jefferson===
"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." --Thomas Jefferson

Disobedience to tyranny is obedience to God. - Thomas Jefferson

If ever there was a holy war, it was that which saved our liberties and gave us independence. -- Thomas Jefferson

Sometimes It is Said that Man Connot be Trusted With the Government of Himself. Can He Then Be Trusted With the Government of Others? - Thomas Jefferson

The Spirit of Resistance to Government is So Valuable on Certain Occasions, That I Wish It to be Always Kept Alive. - Thomas Jefferson

Were it Left to Me to Decide Whether We Should Have Government Without Newspapers or Newspapers Without Government, I Should not Hesitate a Moment to Prefer the Latter - Thomas Jefferson

When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny - Thomas Jefferson

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. -- Thomas Jefferson

The policy of the American government is to leave its citizens free, neither restraining them nor aiding them in their pursuits. -- Thomas Jefferson

When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property. -- Thomas Jefferson Ha was a good dued and hade a good life after the war was over becuse in word war 2 his pa pa died.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson

The general government will tend to monarchy, which will fortify itself from day to day, instead of working its own cures. -- Thomas Jefferson

Cherish therefore the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. Do not be too severe upon their errors, but reclaim them by enlightening them. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress, and Assemblies, judges and governors shall all become wolves.... -- Thomas Jefferson

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be... if we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed. -- Thomas Jefferson

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. -- Thomas Jefferson, Bill for the More General diffusion of Knowledge (1778).

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. -- Thomas Jefferson

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. --- Thomas Jefferson in "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. -- Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. -- Thomas Jefferson

We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed. --- Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well organized and armed militia is their best security. -- Thomas Jefferson, Eighth Annual Message, November 8, 1808

I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. -- Thomas Jefferson

Those who don't read the newspapers are better off than those who do insofar as those who know nothing are better off than those whose heads are filled with half-truths and lies. -- Thomas Jefferson

One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them. --- Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh
So in 1992 he finaly died from sussid!

===James Madison===
All Men Having Power Ought to Be Mistrusted - James Madison

If Man is Not Fit to Govern Himself, How Can He Be Fit to Govern Someone Else? - James Madison

If Tyranny and Oppression Come to This Land It Will Be in the Guise of Fighting a Foreign Enemy - James Madison

The Means of Defense Against Foreign Danger Historically Have Become the Instruments of Tyranny at Home - James Madison

No Nation Could Preserve Freedom In the Midst of Continual War - James Madison

We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind of self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. - James Madison

Crisis is the rallying cry of the tyrant. -- James Madison

Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation... Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison, Federalist Papers, #46 at 243-244.

The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country... -- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).

Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

===John Adams===

"We are not exciting rebellion. Opposition, nay, open, avowed resistance by arms against usurpation and lawless violence, is not rebellion by the law of God or the land." -- John Adams

Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. -- John Adams

Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker. But if we had not, our fathers have earned and bought it for us, at the expense of their ease, their estates, their pleasure, and their blood. -- John Adams

===Mark Twain===
No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain (1866)

That's the difference between governments and individuals. Governments don't care, individuals do. -- Mark Twain

There is no distinctly native American criminal class - save Congress. -- Mark Twain

Courage is resistance to fear, master of fear -- not absence of fear. Except a creature be part coward, it is not a compliment to say it is brave. -- Mark Twain

When in doubt, tell the truth. Mark Twain

Note: the first quotation above is attributed, not to Twain, but to a 19th Century New York Jurist by both Respectfully Quoted: A Dictionary of Quotations[http://www.bartleby.com/73/1041.html], and the Yale book of Quotations[http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0608b&L=ads-l&P=12294]. However, the cited author wrote that the quotation was a "saying," indicating a probable earlier origin.

===Thomas Paine===
The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage the keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property....Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them. -- Thomas Paine, Writings of Thomas Paine at 56 (1894)

Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. -- Thomas Paine

Let them call me a rebel and I welcome it; I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of demons should I make a whore of my soul. -- Thomas Paine.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. -- Thomas Paine

===Patrick Henry===

"Power is the great evil with which we are contending. We have divided power between three branches of government and erected checks and balances to prevent abuse of power. However, where is the check on the power of the judiciary? If we fail to check the power of the judiciary, I predict that we will eventually live under judicial tyranny." - Patrick Henry

the people have a right to keep and bear arms. -- Patrick Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185.

Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death - Patrick Henry

"Power is the great evil with which we are contending. We have divided power between three branches of government and erected checks and balances to prevent abuse of power. However, where is the check on the power of the judiciary? If we fail to check the power of the judiciary, I predict that we will eventually live under judicial tyranny." - Patrick Henry

the people have a right to keep and bear arms. -- Patrick Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185.

Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death - Patrick Henry

Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands? -- Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836

The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun. -- Patrick Henry, 3 Elliot, Debates at 386.

O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone... Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation... inflicted by those who had no power at all? -- Patrick Henry, Elliot p. 3:50-53, in Virginia Ratifying Convention

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. -- Patrick Henry, during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution (1788)

Have we the means of resisting disciplined armies, when our only defense, the militia, is put in the hands of Congress? Of what service would militia be to you when, most probably, you will not have a single musket in the state? For, as arms are to be provided by Congress, they may or may not provide them. -- Patrick Henry, 3 Elliot Debates at 48

===Others===
If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government --and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws. -- Edward Abbey in Abbey's Road, p.39 (Plume, 1979)

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom—go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen! - Samuel Adams

If we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom. - Samuel Adams

Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little. -- Edmund Burke

All that is essential for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid. -- President Dwight Eisenhower

They That Can Give Up Essential Liberty to Obtain a Little Temporary Safety Deserve Neither Liberty nor Safety - Benjamin Franklin

What Good Fortune It is For Governments That People Do Not Think - Adolf Hitler

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty...of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers. John Jay, First Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. -- Abraham Lincoln

No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation. -- General Douglas MacArthur

If we will not be governed by God, then we will be ruled by tyrants. - William Penn

It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. -- Voltaire, 1764

Without either the first or second amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! The second will be taken away first, followed by the first and then the rest of our freedoms. -- Andrew Ford

On April 18, 1775 John Adams and John Hancock were at the home of Rev. Jonas Clarke, a Lexington pastor and militia leader. That same night Paul Revere arrived to warn them of the approaching Redcoats. The next morning British Major Pitcairn shouted to an assembled regiment of Minutemen; "Disperse, ye villains, lay down your arms in the name of George the Sovereign King of England."
The immediate response of Rev. Jonas Clarke or one of his company was: "We recognize no Sovereign but God and no King but Jesus."
The motto of the American Revolution became “No King but King Jesus”

This country belongs to the people and whenever they shall grow weary of their government they can exercise their constitutional right to amend it, or revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it. -- Abraham Lincoln

It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error. -- United States Supreme Court in American Communications Association v. Douds

If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege. -- Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, 560 (1878)

The militia is a voluntary force not associated or under the control of the States except when called out; [ when called into actual service] a permanent or long standing force would be entirely different in make-up and call. -- Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper No. 28

I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials. -- George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426.

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age... -- Title 10, Section 331 of the U.S. Code.

An instance within the memory of some of this house will show us how our militia may be destroyed. Forty years ago, when the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliment was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that is was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia. -- George Mason at the Virginia Ratification Convention, June 14, 1788

Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it. -- Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms. -- Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169.

The militia is the natural defense of a free country against foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. The right of citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of liberties of the republic, since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the U.S., Book III at 746 (1833)

What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins. -- Representative Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789

The power of the sword, say the minority of Pennsylvania, is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for the powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it ever will remain, in the hands of the people. -- Tench Coxe in the Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

-- [[User:4.242.6.184|4.242.6.184]] 08:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[[BT]]
[[Mono]] Trance

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'''Of Mice and Men'''

The Steinbeck page is awfully empty, and I need a nice list of "of mice and men" quotations. If anyone has any, I'd love that

[[Driver]]

==The Films==
[[The Weather Man]] [[Nicolas Cage]] [[film]] [[User:Paindance|Paindance]] 14:22, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Ultraviolet Milla Jovovich film

Superstar, Molly Shannon film

==[[Social Engineering]]==

:''"The art of Deception"'' [[Kevin Mitnick]]

:''"Amateurs hack systems, professionals hack people"'' [[Bruce Schneier]]

:''"Coheed and Cambria" Lyrics

==[[God-sized hole]]==

* The quote goes something like "There is a god-sized hole in man's psyche." It's almost always attributed to Sartre, but I can't find anywhere that says where he said it or wrote it, or what the original french was.

A first attempt at an answer:
Regarding the attribution of the “God-sized hole” as coming from Sartre. After a non-exhaustive search in both English and French, I found a couple of plausible sources that make the attribution problematic. Here are my quick (and most definitely not authoritative) translations, followed by the original texts pasted from the internet sources.

On Wikipedia (French) (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Sartre)

«Man is defined by consciousness [conscience] (the for-self that is opposed to the in-self). For all consciousness is the consciousness of something (the idea of intentionality, taken up from Husserl). Man is therefore fundamentally open to the world, “incomplete,” “turned towards,” existing [existent] (projected outside the self): there is in him a nothingness, a “hole in the being” susceptible to receiving objects from the world. Consciousness is that which never coincides with oneself, that which is the power of [making]-nothingness [nihilism?] (that is to say negation, that is to say action) thanks to the imagination (which can think that which does not exist). Consciousness makes the project possible.»

http://yves.frisch.free.fr/lfic.php?fic=sartre

«I asked myself every minute what I could be in the eyes of God. At present, I do not know the answer. God does not see me, God does not hear me, God does not know me. You see that emptiness [space, vacuum] above our heads? This is God again. Silence is God. Absence is God. God is the solitude of men. There was only me: I alone have decided [about] Evil; alone I invented Good. It is I who have cheated, I who have performed miracles, it is I who accuses [condemns] myself today, I alone who can absolve myself; myself, man. If God exists, man is nothingness.»
(purportedly from Le diable et le bon Dieu (1951), Act III, p. 228)

Le diable et le bon Dieu (1951)
Je me demandais à chaque minute ce que je pouvais être aux yeux de Dieu. A présent je connais la réponse: rien. Dieu ne me voit pas, Dieu ne m'entend pas, Dieu ne me connaît pas. Tu vois ce vide au-dessus de nos têtes ? C'est Dieu. Tu vois cette brèche dans la porte? C'est Dieu. Tu vois ce trou dans la terre ? C'est Dieu encore. Le silence c'est Dieu. L'absence c'est Dieu. Dieu c'est la solitude des hommes. Il n'y avait que moi: J'ai décidé seul du Mal; seul, j'ai inventé le Bien. C'est moi qui ai triché, moi qui ai fait des miracles, c'est moi qui m'accuse aujourd'hui, moi seul peut m'absoudre; moi, l'homme. Si Dieu existe, l'homme est néant; ... (Acte III p.228)
http://yves.frisch.free.fr/lfic.php?fic=sartre

0. L'Homme est défini par la conscience (le pour-soi qui s'oppose à l'en-soi). Or toute conscience est conscience de quelque chose (idée d'intentionnalité reprise de Husserl). L'Homme est donc fondamentalement ouvert sur le monde, « incomplet », « tourné vers », existant (projeté hors de soi) : il y a en lui un néant, un « trou dans l'être » susceptible de recevoir les objets du monde.
La conscience est ce qui ne coïncide jamais avec soi-même, ce qui est puissance de néantisation (c'est-à-dire de négation, c'est-à-dire d'action) grâce à l'imagination (elle peut penser ce qui n'est pas). La conscience rend donc le projet possible.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Sartre

==[[Cheminformatics]]==
* Here is a [http://joelib.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Cheminformatics_and_mining_quotation list of quotations] I would like to see incorporated.
* one thing that puzzles me is how to categorize, since this topic is related to [[science]],[[chemistry]], and [[computer science]]
* another thing that puzzles me is how to add the journal articles and the (list of) authors appropriately?
* Looking forward for comments on this.
[[User:Joerg Kurt Wegner|JKW]] 22:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

==[[Ellen G. White]]==
One of the most prolific female authors in the English language. [http://www.whiteestate.org] See wikipedia on [[w:Ellen G. White|Ellen White]]. [[User:Bounton|Bounton]] 02:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

=="To know me is to love me" - Unknown==
Can someone PLEASE find out who came up with this beauty:
"To know me is to love me". I am done searching google and wikipedia and now I see that it's not even on WikiQuote! Ò-RFW

-There is, I believe, a country song which includes the lines "To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man/Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doing the best that I can" [[User:86.131.35.241|86.131.35.241]] 18:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
PS: I Googled the couplet I just posted, and came up with this: [http://www.twin-music.com/azlyrics/d_file/mac/it.html Mac Davis - It's Hard To Be Humble]

-Seems good. I always suspected it was by someone like Plato, but, given that there's very little on google, and your reference is a case where the quote was PUBLISHED, I'd say it'll have to do. THANK YOU -RFW

: [[w:Mac Davis|Mac Davis's]] 1980 song (from the album of the same name) can't be the original use of this phrase. I believe it was already well-established when [[w:Phil Spector|Phil Spector]] used a variation as the title and theme of "To Know Him Is to Love Him", a song made popular by [[w:The Teddy Bears (band)|The Teddy Bears]] in 1958. I suspect it's ''much'' older than this. We'll have to keep looking. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 21:04, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

:: There are two early near-misses by [[Robert Burns]]. One is from his "Ae Fond Kiss" (1791): 
::: But to see her was to love her, Love but her, and love for ever. 
:: The other, almost identical, is from "Bonnie Lesley" (1792): 
::: To see her is to love her And love but her for ever. 
:: But [[w:Samuel Rogers|Samuel Rogers]] got it pretty well exactly in his ''Jacqueline'' (1814): 
::: Oh! she was good as she was fair. None - none on earth above her! As pure in thought as angels are, To know her was to love her.
:: [[User:Antiquary|Antiquary]] 22:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

:::: Thank-you very much for that useful research. However, if you are new to the phrase -- 'To know me is to love me' -- its current meaning seems to be "If you don't love me / like me, then you obviously don't know me / understand me" or that is to say "I may not be very likeable on the outside, but if you knew me, you'd like me". Unfortunately, none of your quotations touch on that meaning. Furthermore, there's currently nothing to suggest that the phrase found its origins in those quotations. Wildly interesting though, and I'm so glad you shared them. :) [[User:41.242.90.224|41.242.90.224]] 18:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC) RFW

== Maltese Proverbs ==
I've recently found out that there are some working on translating wikipedia into Mlatese, so it hink it woulb be possible to write a list of both Maltese proverbs and idioms. The MLatese language is rich in proverbs and idioms, and from this aspect it is, in my opinion, one of the nicest languages. Anyway, if some decides to start a page with Maltese proverbs, I'll be glad to help. [[User:Keith Azzopardi|Keith Azzopardi]] 14:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

== "Sold a bill of goods" ==
Where does this expression come from? What precisely does it mean (got the bill but not the goods, got talked into buying stuff, bought stuff that turned out to be inferior?) Thanks. --[[User:Coppertwig|Coppertwig]] 03:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

==Harvest Moon==
I wish I could make a page for this but I can't so can sombody make a Harvest Moon page. Harvest Moon is a video game series.
—The preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:70.251.104.216|70.251.104.216]] ([[User talk:70.251.104.216|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/70.251.104.216|contribs]]) 00:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC{{{3|}}})

== Quote By Author of Translations of the Mind Body and Soul ==

" As we journey down the path we call life, we acquire words of wisdom along the way. These words are generated by our life's ups and downs and serve as a reminder of our failures and triumphs. We must never forget these valuable treasures, for they are the only physical remains of who we are, after we have passed on.." - Dullanni Ezekiel Waterman

== Reality and/or Hallucination ==

"Reality is self-induced hallucination." J.D.Bailey --[[User:192.172.8.11|192.172.8.11]] 17:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

== Theatre ==

are there any topics pertaining to these? I think it's a great topic to start.

"It takes a clever designer to create a set for ten thousand dollars. It takes a brilliant designer to build one for two hundred dollars."

-Shay Gines, Producing Off-Off-Broadway

== Time Management ==

"You need to learn to budget your time the same way you budget your money."
by Shay Gines, Producing Off-Off-Broadway

== Phil Yancey- Christian author ==

Quoting one of Americas most popular evangelical Christian authors would be a great idea. Phil Yancey has a reputation for thoughtful, honest and inspirational writing on matters of faith. His words speak to a wider audience than the regular evangelical community.
He has faith, and yet understands doubt, even the value of doubt.

Can someone find quotes from his books?

Where is God when it hurts?
Disapointed with God?
Prayer- Does it make any difference?
The Bible Jesus read
Whats so amazing about grace?
The Jesus I never knew

== Stephenie Meyer ==

Either or both of her books '''Twilight''' or '''New Moon'''

== Demetri Martin ==
 How fast does a zebra have to run before it looks grey?
 If I ever saw an amupee getting hanged I would just yell out letters.
 Glitter is the herpes of crafts supplies.
 Sort of is such a harmless thing to say, sort of. It doesnt really mean anything. But after certain things, sort of means everything. Like after, "I love you," or, "you're going to live."
 I find at most theme parks, the theme is: Wait in line fatty.
 If you have a pear shaped body, you should not wear pear colored clothes. Or act juicy.
 I think it's weird that when you give someone flowers, you're really saying "Here you go, now watch these die. Cause I like you." I feel like you should give someone flowers when you want to threaten them. "Here. You're next."
 Sometimes I mix butter with ''I Can't Believe it's Not Butter'' to make ''I Can Believe Some of it's Butter''.

== Albert Pines ==

"What we do for ouselves dies with us, What we do for others and the world is eternal" Albert Pines

== Project Management ==

Here is a list of Project Management Aphorisms I'd like to see incorporated:[http://www.orion-software.biz/sayings.html click here]

To see the complete list, click the "View Complete List of Sayings" link at the bottom of the page

== Wylands First Law of Automation ==

David C. Wyland, a Silicon Valley engineer, remarking on the evils of excessive automation:

Anything that can be done for you, automatically, can be done to you, automatically.

Alas, I can't point to an online reference for Wylands Law. Regardless, I think his Law is worthwhile in the same vein as Parkinsons Law, or the Peter Principle.

[[User:Gawbl|Gawbl]] 22:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

: Here's an online reference from a famous ''BYTE'' columnist (and science fiction author):
:* Anything that can be automatically done ''for'' you can be automatically done ''to'' you.
:** Wyland's Law of Automation
:** Quoted by {{cite web
| last = Pournelle
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| date = [[December 18]], [[2000]]
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: Since we don't seem to have concrete information on Wyland himself, I have created a stub theme article, [[Automation]], and added it there. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 23:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
:: Thank-you. I'm obliged to add a disclaimer here: The email you reference was written by my brother, and we learned about Wylands Law from the same father. :-) If that's O.K., I will invite Mr. Wyland to visit your Automation page and add comments into the 'talk' section. [[User:Gawbl|Gawbl]] 00:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

::: Hmmm. I hadn't read the page carefully enough. I was thinking Pournelle quoted it, but I see that it was actually quoted by the mail-writer you mention. I'm troubled by the level of indirection here, especially since the source is not a Chaos Manor column, over which Pournelle has editorial authority and responsibility for content, but rather a letter with no provenance for determining factual accuracy. (Not that I'm saying your brother is incorrect; it's a matter of [[w:WP:V|verifiability]] through [[w:WP:RS|reliable sources]].) I'm afraid we need to get better sources. Thanks for calling attention to this. Any additional information you can obtain may be useful in helping us track this down. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 00:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
:::: I'll do my best to reach Mr. Wyland. [[User:Gawbl|Gawbl]] 01:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
:::: I spoke with Mr. Wyland by telephone yesterday; he seemed pleased that his Law might earn him some fame (or, perhaps, notoriety). I sent him some Wikiquote URLs and invited him to comment. In response, he emailed me a document "WYLAWS.DOC" that he claimed was dated 1993; it's about 5K in size, includes the Law of Automation, and some other interesting adages, like the "Law of Time to Market: Good now beats better later." Also: "John Byram's Law of Learning Sequence: You can't come back from where you haven't been." While it's all very amusing, I don't think any of this truly verifies anything. :-( [[User:Gawbl|Gawbl]] 23:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

== "The dragon you know..." ==
There's a saying about choosing between the dragon you know and the one you don't know. Sometimes it's a tiger. Does anyone know the source? Is it a [[Chinese proverbs|Chinese proverb]]?

== [[Kate Chopin]] ==

Quotes from ''[[w:The Awakening (novel)|The Awakening]]''

<nowiki>Insert non-formatted text here</nowiki>== The Office ==

[[q:The Office|The Office]]

Dwight Schrute: Someone forged medical information, and that's a felony.
Jim Halpert: OK, Whoa, all right 'cause that's a pretty intense accusation. How do you know that they're fake?
Dwight Schrute: [reading from a sheet] Uh, Leprosy, Flesh Eating Bacteria, Hot Dog Fingers, Government Created Killer Nano Robot Infection.

Michael Scott: You'll notice, I didn't have anybody being Arab. I thought that would be too explosive, uh, no pun intended. But I just thought, "too soon" for Arabs, maybe next year. You know, the ball's in their court.

Michael Scott: Yes. It is true. I, Michael Scott, am signing up with an online dating service. Thousands of people have done it, and I am going to do it. I need a username, and... I have a great one. "Little Kid Lover". That way people will know exactly where my priorities are at.

Michael Scott: I am Michael, and I am part English, Irish, German, and Scottish, sort of a virtual United Nations.

Oscar: Both my parents were born in Mexico, and they moved to the United States a year before I was born, so I grew up in the United States... my parents were Mexican.
Michael Scott: Wow, that is a great story. That's the American dream right there, right? Um, let me ask you, is there a term besides 'Mexican' that you prefer? Something less offensive?

Dwight Schrute: In the wild, there is no health care. In the wild, health care is, "Ow, I hurt my leg. I can't run. A lion eats me and I'm dead." Well, I'm not dead. I'm the lion, you're dead.

Michael Scott: The most sacred thing I do is care... Today I am in charge of picking a great new healthcare plan. Right? That's what this is all about. Does that make me their doctor? Um, yes. Like a specialist.

Dwight Schrute: Through concentration, I can raise and lower my cholesterol at will.
Pam Beesley: Why would you wanna raise your cholesterol?
Dwight Schrute: So I can lower it.

Dwight Schrute: The purse girl hits everything on my checklist: creamy skin, straight teeth, curly hair, amazing breasts. Not for me... for my children. The Schrutes produce very thirsty babies.

== John Marsden ==

If anyone could get a collection of quotes together from John Marsden and his books it would be very much appreciated!
Australian Author John Marsden wrote The Tomorrow Series, The Ellie Chronicles, So Much To Tell You, etc.

==Danger Mouse==

== Thomas J. Cairney ==

'Life should be deemed as a series of tests; each separated by a period of reflection and revision for the next. When one makes a wrong judgement, a simple mistake, they may feel as though they have failed either in that respected area of life or failed life completely. However what many do not realise is that life is a ''series'' of tests, and you can not dwell on the last test forever as sure enough the next one will arrive. But most importantly, life is a series of tests with unlimited re-sits, each of which you can learn from'- Thomas J. Cairney ''20th February 2007''

== Christian Education of Adults, Children, & Youth in the Local Church ==

What is a systematic, comprehensive, operational, planned, and effective Christian education or Church Education program?
What is the purpose of having a Christian education program?
What should be taught and learned, what skills should be acquired, and what experiences should be provided to enhance learning without employing endoctrination tactics?
Whose responsibility is it, really? What is the role of the local church members and leaders?
Who should be teaching the adults, children, & youth of the local church?
What is the denominational responsibility to help the local church develop and implement an effective program of Christian education?
What contribution can the ecumenical Christian community provide in this regard?
What is the true role of the Pastor & Teacher and/or the professional Church Educator?
How do you evaluate the program of Christian Education in the local church?

I would like comments or viewpoints regarding these questions so that what I intend to write regarding my answers will inform and enlighten me as well as others. Nothing would please me more than to receive an incite that would enhance my contributions to these topics. My intent is to provide professional assistance to local church leaders who are in charge of their local church's Christian education programs.

Reverend August J. Woerner, retired Pastor and Teacher and certified specialist in Christian Education by the United Church of Christ.

Everone calls me,

Gus

== Flushed Away ==

A collection of quotes would be greatly appreciated.

== Michael De'Shazer quotes from NC-17 ==

"If a cockroach kills itself, is that pesticide?" 
"If a guy farts on a dollar bill, is that gas money?" 
"Is kicking a curb street fighting?" 
"Does getting sleepy twice mean retiring?" 
"Is playing basketball in Hawaii hula hooping?" 
"If I cross my fingers and flirt, do I have lucky charms?" 

== User Submitted Quotes ==

A place for users can submit a quote they heard form their friends, teachers, or wise old uncle. There can be multiple sections/pages with different categories, such as philosophy, life, humor, and so on. This being a Wiki site in which users are the authors of the content. I think it would be nice for users to have a place to submit their '''own''' content.

: Wikiquote is a Wikmedia Foundation project, and these projects collect reliably sourceable information of notable works and subjects. As a courtesy, Wikiquote users may include personal, friends', and family's, and other non-famous people's quotes on their user pages, but it is not their primary purpose to collect such quotes. In other words, it is not the intent of Wikiquote user pages to be a kind of "MySpace" for personal quotes. There are no doubt other websites that serve the purpose you wish. ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 12:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Brian Greene ==

And other string theorists as well.

== Sybille Bedford ==

To remain monolingual reduces the mind to the confines of a tramline. The civilized mind needs alternatives for its expression.

Sybille Bedford, Quicksands: A Memoir, 2005.

== McAfee Quotes ==

John McAfee (McAfee founder and author of "Into the Heart of Truth, "The Fabric of Self", "Secret of the Yamas", "Beyond the Siddhis") is one of my favorite quotable people. here are my favorites from "Into the Heart of Truth":

Disobedience is the vehicle of progress.

History is sympathetic to its authors.

If you own the facts, you may distort them as you like.

It’s easy to give advice if you don’t have to pay the consequences.

If the majority holds something of value, you can be certain it has none.

Opinions need a willing ear.

Imagination weakens the eyes.

Popular works are unreadable, great works are unread.

A good example is more irritating than a bad one.

Trivialities have become our necessities.

I prefer people with simple vices, and harmless virtues.

There’s no time for a person’s real life.

Ignorance and confidence are constant companions.

Everyone hopes for old age. No-one wants to be old.

Hope is paltry food for living.

If you have the winning cards, why cheat?

Pure and simple truths are uncommon.

An intelligent man who doesn’t think has no advantage over a fool.

If you think money is valueless, ask someone for a loan.

Righteous motives will lead to a stupid act.

Appearances overcome substance.

The world was here first. It doesn’t owe you a thing.

Great lies are often true

History is full of extraordinary events, some of which may actually have happened.

We admire ourselves in proportion to our disdain of others.

Fear is a certain shield against temptation.

If you want to infuriate someone, forgive them.

Self portraits are the only portraits painted with passion.

He is too old to know everything.

Self deception is a hypnotic pleasure.

Selfishness isn’t doing what you want, but demanding that others do what you want.

Temptation is irresistible.

==Be strict in what you send but generous in what you receive==
Who first said (in computing) "Be strict in what you send, but generous in what you receive"? [[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]] 11:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

==Pride==
wouldn't a section on pride be a good one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride
 pride cometh before a fall
 we could link it with an arrogence section too
found some good sites with lots of quotes.
 http://thinkexist.com/quotations/pride/
 http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/pride/
 http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/pride.html
 http://www.litquotes.com/quote_topic_resp.php?QuoteType=Pride&Amazon=Psychology
 http://en.proverbia.net/citastema.asp?tematica=942
 http://www.quotedb.com/categories/pride
 http://www.giga-usa.com/quotes/topics/pride_t001.htm

== Stomp the Yard quotes. ==

Great movie, anyone who has quotes from it should put them on the film section.

== Ritsuko Okazaki ==

ここに生きてる意味がわかるよ I know i was born with a reason to live.
生まれ落ちた喜びを知る and I know the happiness of being alive
http://www.geocities.com/widoshiku/lyr_forfuruba.html

約束　お願いはひとつだけ Promise me, my dear friend,
生きて　生きて Live on. Live on.
http://www.geocities.com/widoshiku/lyr_close.html

どんな時にも　なげてはだめよそれは Wherever you are, whenever it is, never give up.
なによりチャ一ミングなこと Then, it will be the most ‘charming’ thing in the world.
I'm http://www.geocities.com/widoshiku/lyr_close.html

alright. I love you. I love my life. I'm always close to you.
http://www.geocities.com/widoshiku/lyr_close.html

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/anime/essentials/ritsuko_okazaki/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritsuko_Okazaki
http://www.geocities.com/widoshiku/lyrics.html
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/okazaki/book/

== Roots (tv miniseries) ==

In light of the recent events in our country's growing conversation of racial-related issues involving the dismissal of Don Imus, I would like to request that a "Roots" page be created. Maybe this will assist in the need for proper discourse about this subject.

== [[Henry Fountain Ashurst]] ==

*"There has never been superadded to these vices of mine the withering, embalming vice of consistency" - Henry Fountain Ashurst ("Arizona's Pioneer Senator". ''New York Times'', June 1, 1962)

*"I could throw 56-pound words clear across the Grand Canyon. As a matter of course, I went into politics." - Henry Fountain Ashurst ([http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,896290-1,00.html "The Silver-Tongued Sunbeam"]. ''Time'', June 8, 1962)

*"It is still an open question as to whether mankind or insects shall ultimately inherit the earth. It is my opinion that mankind ... has about a 50-50 chance...." - Henry Fountain Ashurst ([http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,848048,00.html "The Silver-Tongued Sunbeam"]. ''Time'', August 7, 1939)

*"I suffer from cacoethes loquendi, a mania or itch for talking, and from vanity . . . and morbidity, and, as is obvious to everyone who knows me, an inborn, an inveterate flair for histrionics. ... I am pachydermatous. ... I am a veritable peripatetic bifurcated volcano on behalf of Democratic principles." - Henry Fountain Ashurst ([http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,848048,00.html "The Silver-Tongued Sunbeam"]. ''Time'', August 7, 1939)

*"... I shall not waste any time on such miserable twaddle as to say that I ought to have been elected. ... It is the undoubted right of the people to change their servants, and to remove one and displace him with another at any time they choose, for a good reason, for a bad reason, or for no reason at all. If we are to remain a free people, it is the duty of public servants not grumpily and sourly to accept the verdict of the majority, but joyously to accept that verdict. . . ." - Henry Fountain Ashurst ([http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,801964-2,00.html "Ashurst Out"]. ''Time'', September 23, 1940)

Live in the presence, while you learn form the past and wait for the future. Life will be most satisfying this way. - Scott Bennett

== New quot ==

To the best of my knowledge this is an original quote by me."An assets value is relative to us" Glenn R. Anderson 6-28-03
glennupnorth@msn.com

== Fushigi Yugi ==

A collection of quotes would be greatly appreciated.

== Ouran High School Host Club ==

A collection of quotes would be greatly appreciated.

== Nikki Hornsby Quotes that are called "Nikkisms" ==

Inside all of Nikki Hornsby's commerically released music CDs is a quote she wrote years ago that should be in the Wikiquote webpage.

"I'll never touch a cloud with my fingertips but that doesn't mean I shouldn't try!".

Please add

Thank you,
CJP Staff

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This is a '''list of literary works''':

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'''See also: [[Religious texts]]'''

__NOTOC__
[[#A|A]] [[#B|B]] [[#C|C]] [[#D|D]] [[#E|E]] [[#F|F]] [[#G|G]] [[#H|H]] [[#I|I]] [[#J|J]] [[#K|K]] [[#L|L]] [[#M|M]] [[#N|N]] [[#O|O]] [[#P|P]] [[#Q|Q]] [[#R|R]] [[#S|S]] [[#T|T]] [[#U|U]] [[#V|V]] [[#W|W]] [[#X|X]] [[#Y|Y]] [[#Z|Z]]

== 0-9, other characters ==
* ''[[One Thousand and One Nights|1001 Nights]]''
* ''[[Nineteen Eighty-Four|1984]]'' by [[George Orwell]]

== A ==
* ''[[Africa and Africans]]'' by [[Paul Bohannan]] and [[Philip Curtin]]
* ''[[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]]'' by [[Lewis Carroll]]
* ''[[Amber Spyglass, The]]'' by [[Philip Pullman]]
* ''[[American Gods]]'' by [[Neil Gaiman]]
* ''[[The American Scene]] by [[Henry James]]
* ''[[And the Ass Saw the Angel]]'' by [[Nick Cave]]
* ''[[Animal Farm]]'' by [[George Orwell]]
* ''[[Animorphs]]'' by [[K. A. Applegate]]
* ''[[The Antichrist]]'' by [[Friedrich Nietzsche]]
* ''[[Antigone]]'' by [[Sophocles]]
* ''[[Antony and Cleopatra]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]
* ''[[Areopagitica]]'' by [[John Milton]]
* ''[[The Art of War]]'' by [[Sun Tzu]]
* ''[[Atlas Shrugged]]'' by [[Ayn Rand]]
* ''[[Aliens vs. Predator: Hunter's Planet]]'' by David Bischoff

== B ==
* ''[[The Ballad of the White Horse]]'' by [[G. K. Chesterton]]
* ''[[Batman (comics)|Batman]]'' by various authors
* ''[[The Battle of Malden]]'' by [[unknown anglo-saxon poet]]
* ''[[Beak of the Finch]]'' by [[Jonathan Weiner]]
* ''[[Becoming Light: Poems New and Selected]]'' by [[Erica Jong]]
* ''[[Beyond Good and Evil]]'' by [[ Friedrich Nietzsche]]
* ''[[Blind Man's Bluff]]'' by [[Sherry Sontag]] and [[Christopher Drew]]
* ''[[The Books of Magic]]'' by [[Neil Gaiman]]
* ''[[The Book of the New Sun]]'' by [[Gene Wolfe]]
* ''[[Brideshead Revisited]]'' by [[Evelyn Waugh]]
* ''[[Brave New World]]'' by [[Aldous Huxley]]
* ''[[The Broken God]]'' by [[David Zindell]]

== C ==
* ''[[Carrie (novel)|Carrie]] by [[Stephen King]]
* ''[[Catch-22]]'' by [[Joseph Heller]]
* ''[[Cat's Cradle]]'' by [[Kurt Vonnegut]]
* ''[[Casino Royale]]'' by [[Ian Fleming]]
* ''[[The Catcher in the Rye]]'' by [[ J. D. Salinger]]
* ''[[Childhood's End]]'' by [[Arthur C. Clarke]]
* ''[[Choke]]'' by [[Chuck Palahniuk]]
* ''[[A Christmas Carol]]'' by [[Charles Dickens]]
* ''[[Civil Disobedience (Thoreau)|Civil Disobedience]]'' by [[Henry David Thoreau]]
* ''[[Clockwork Orange]]'' by [[Anthony Burgess]]
* ''[[Concluding Unscientific Postscript to Philosophical Fragments]]'' by [[Søren Kierkegaard]]
* ''[[Cornish Trilogy]]'' by [[Robertson Davies]]
* ''[[The Country Wife]]'' by [[William Wycherley]]
* ''[[Crime and Punishment]]'' by [[Fyodor Dostoevsky]]
* ''[[Curriculum]]'' by [[Grazyna Miller]]

== D ==
* ''[[Danse Macabre (book)|Danse Macabre]]'' by [[Stephen King]]
* ''[[David Copperfield (novel)|David Copperfield]]'' by [[Charles Dickens]]
* ''[[Dead Souls]]'' by [[Nikolai Gogol]]
* ''[[Demian]]'' by [[Hermann Hesse]]
* ''[[Deptford Trilogy]]'' by [[Robertson Davies]]
* ''[[The Devil's Dictionary]]'' by [[Ambrose Bierce]]
* ''[[The Dharma Bums]]'' by [[Jack Kerouac]]
* ''[[Diary]]'' by [[Chuck Palahniuk]]
* ''[[Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency]]'' by [[Douglas Adams]]
* [[Discworld| The ''Discworld'' Novels]] by [[Terry Pratchett]]
* ''[[Doctrine and Discipline of Divorce]]'' by [[John Milton]]
* ''[[Don Quixote]]'' by [[Miguel de Cervantes]]
* [[Dune|The ''DUNE'' Chronicles]] by [[Frank Herbert]]
* [[The Dispossessed]] by [[Ursula K. LeGuin]]

== E ==
* ''[[Either/Or]]'' by [[Søren Kierkegaard]]
* ''[[Emma]]'' by [[Jane Austen]]
* ''[[Ender's Game]]'' by [[Orson Scott Card]]
* ''[[Ella Enchanted]]'' by [[Gail Carson Levine]]
* ''[[Ecce Homo]]'' by [[Friedrich Nietzsche]]
* ''[[Eragon]]'' by [[Christopher Paolini]]
* ''[[Equus]]'' by [[Peter Schaffer]]

== F ==
* ''[[Fahrenheit 451]]'' by [[Ray Bradbury]]
* ''[[Faust]]'' by [[Johann Wolfgang von Goethe]]
* ''[[Fear and Trembling]]'' by [[Søren Kierkegaard]]
* ''[[Fear of Flying]]'' by [[Erica Jong]]
* ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' by [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]
* ''[[Fierce Invalids Home From Hot Climates]]'' by [[Tom Robbins]]
* ''[[The Filth]]'' by [[Grant Morrison]]
* ''[[Fight Club]]'' by [[Chuck Palahniuk]]
* ''[[First Things First]]'' by [[Stephen Covey]]
* ''[[Foucault's Pendulum]]'' by [[Umberto Eco]]
* ''[[The Four Quartets]]'' by [[T. S. Eliot]]
* ''[[The Fountainhead]]'' by [[Ayn Rand]]
* ''[[Frankenstein]]'' by [[Mary Shelley]]

== G ==
* ''[[Geek Love]]'' by [[Katherine Dunn]]
* ''[[Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture]]'' by [[Douglas Coupland]]
* ''[[The God of Small Things]]'' by [[Arundhati Roy]]
* ''[[God Bless You Dr Kevorkian]]'' by [[Kurt Vonnegut]]
* ''[[Golden Compass, The]]'' by [[Philip Pullman]]
* ''[[Good Omens]]'' by [[Neil Gaiman]] & [[Terry Pratchett]]
* ''[[Gotham Central]]'' by Greg Rucka and Michael Lark
* ''[[A Grain of Wheat]]'' by Ngugi wa Thiong'o
* ''[[The Great Gatsby]]'' by [[F. Scott Fitzgerald]]
* ''[[Greek myths]]''

== H ==
* ''[[Hackers & Painters]]'' by [[Paul Graham]]
* ''[[Hamlet]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]
* The ''[[Harry Potter (series)|Harry Potter]]'' series by [[J.K. Rowling]]
* ''[[Haunted]] by [[Chuck Palahniuk]]
* ''[[Hellblazer]]'' by various authors
* ''[[Henry V]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]
* ''[[A History of East Africa]]''
* ''[[The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire]]'' by [[Edward Gibbon]]
* ''[[The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy]]'' by [[Douglas Adams]]
* ''[[The Hobbit]]'' by ''[[J. R. R. Tolkien|J.R.R. Tolkien]]
* The ''[[Sherlock Holmes]]'' Series of Stories by [[Arthur Conan Doyle]]
* ''[[The Hours]]'' by [[Michael Cunningham]]
* ''[[House of Leaves]]'' by [[Mark Z. Danielewski]]
* ''[[How to Save Your Own Life]]'' by [[Erica Jong]]
* ''[[Hrafnkels saga]]'' by an unknown Icelandic author
* ''[[Human, All Too Human]]'' by [[Friedrich Nietzsche]]
* ''[[House of Sixty Fathers]]'' by [[Meindert Dejong]]
* ''[[Hymn to Satan]]'' by [[Giosuè Carducci]]
* The ''[[History of Love]]'' by [[Nicole Krauss]]

== I ==
* ''[[Idylls of the King]]'' by [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson]]
* ''[[Homer#The Iliad (circa 7th century BC)|The Iliad]]'' by [[Homer]]
* ''[[Imperial Hubris]]'' by [[Michael Scheuer]]
* ''[[Inferno]]'' by ''[[Dante Alighieri]]''
* ''[[The Invisibles]]'' by [[Grant Morrison]]
* ''[[An Inspector Calls]]'' by [[J. B. Priestley]]
* ''[[The House of God]] by [[Samuel Shem]]

== J ==
* ''[[Jennifer Government]]'' by [[Max Barry]]
* ''[[Job: A Comedy of Justice]]'' by [[Robert A. Heinlein]]
* ''[[Jonathan Livingston Seagull]]'' by [[Richard Bach]]
* ''[[The Journey to the East]]'' by [[Hermann Hesse]]
* ''[[Julius Caesar (play)|Julius Caesar]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]
* ''[[The Jungle (novel)|The Jungle]]'' by [[Upton Sinclair]]
* ''[[Jurassic Park (novel)|Jurassic Park]]'' by [[Michael Crichton]]

== K ==
* ''[[King Lear]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]

* ''[[Kite Runner]]'' by [[Khaled Husseini]]

== L ==
* ''[[Lanark: A Life in Four Books]]'' by [[Alasdair Gray]]
* ''[[The Last Unicorn]]'' by [[Peter S. Beagle]]
* ''[[Leaves of Grass]]'' by [[Walt Whitman]]
* ''[[Le Morte d'Arthur]]'' by [[Thomas Malory]]
* ''[[Les Misérables]]'' by [[Victor Hugo]]
* ''[[Little House Series]]'' by [[Laura Ingalls Wilder]]
* ''[[The Little Prince]]'' by [[Antoine de Saint-Exupéry]]
* ''[[Living to Tell the Tale]]'' by [[Gabriel García Márquez]]
* ''[[Lolita]]'' by [[Vladimir Nabokov]]
* ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' by [[J. R. R. Tolkien|J.R.R. Tolkien]]
* ''[[Lord of the Flies]]'' by [[William Golding]]
* ''[[The Lost World (novel)|The Lost World]]'' by [[Michael Crichton]]
* ''[[Lucifer]]'' by Mike Carey
* ''[[Lullaby]]'' by [[Chuck Palahniuk]]

== M ==
* ''[[Macbeth]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]
* ''[[Mansfield Park (novel)|Mansfield Park]]'' by [[Jane Austen]]
* ''[[Martin Chuzzlewit]]'' by [[Charles Dickens]]
* ''[[Maurice]]'' by [[E.M. Forster]]
* ''[[The Merchant of Venice]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]
* ''[[Julian Barnes|Metroland]]'' by [[Julian Barnes]]
* ''[[Midnight's Children]]'' by [[Salman Rushdie]]
* ''[[Moby-Dick]]'' by [[Herman Melville]]
* ''[[The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]]'' by [[Robert A. Heinlein]]
* ''[[The Man Who Was Thursday]]'' by [[G.K. Chesterton]]
* ''[[Memoirs of a Geisha (novel)]]'' by [[Arthur Golden]]
* ''[[Mystic Melody]]'' by [[N.K.Osho]]
* ''[[A Million Little Pieces]]'' by [[James Frey]]

== N ==
* ''[[Night Watch]]'' by [[Alastair MacNeill]]
* ''[[Neverness]]'' by [[David Zindell]]
* ''[[Nicholas Nickleby]]'' by [[Charles Dickens]]
* ''[[Night Shift (book)|Night Shift]]'' by [[Stephen King]]
* ''[[Nineteen Eighty-Four]]'' by [[George Orwell]]
* ''[[No Heroes]]'' by [[Danny O. Coulson]] and [[Elaine Shannon]]
* ''[[Northanger Abbey]]'' by [[Jane Austen]]
* ''[[Northern Lights]]'' by [[Phillip Pullman]]
* ''[[Maximum Ride: The Angel Experiment]]'' by [[James Patterson]]

== O ==
* ''[[On Moral Fiction]]'' by [[John Gardner]]
* ''[[On the Road]]'' by [[Jack Kerouac]]
* ''[[On Writing|On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft]]'' by [[Stephen King]]
* ''[[One Hundred Years of Solitude]]'' by [[Gabriel García Márquez]]
* ''[[One Minute Nonsense]]'' by [[Anthony de Mello]]
* ''[[The Once and Future King]]'' by [[T. H. White]]
* ''[[Orlando]]'' by [[Virginia Woolf]]
* ''[[Othello]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]

== P ==

* ''[[Paradise Lost]]'' by [[John Milton]]
* ''[[Paradise Regained]]'' by [[John Milton]]
* ''[[Peer Gynt]]'' by [[Henrik Ibsen]]
* ''[[Persuasion]]'' by [[Jane Austen]]
* ''[[Phaedo]]'' by Plato
* ''[[The Phantom Tollbooth]]'' by [[Norton Juster]]
* ''[[Philosophical Fragments]]'' by [[Søren Kierkegaard]]
* ''[[Pickwick Papers]]'' by [[Charles Dickens]]
* ''[[The Picture of Dorian Gray]]'' by [[Oscar Wilde]]
* ''[[A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man]]'' by [[James Joyce]]
* ''[[PREY]]'' by [[Michael Crichton]]
* ''[[The Prince]]'' by [[Niccolo Machiavelli]]
* ''[[The Princess Bride]]'' by [[William Goldman]]
* ''[[The Prophet]]'' by [[Khalil Gibran]]
* ''[[Pride and Prejudice]]'' by [[Jane Austen]]
* ''[[Principia Discordia]]''
* ''[[A Passage to India]]'' by [[E.M. Forster]]

== Q ==

== R ==
* ''[[A Race on the Edge of Time]]'' by David E. Fisher
* ''[[Rainbow Six]]'' by [[Tom Clancy]]
* ''[[The Return of the King]]'' by [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]
* ''[[Richard II (play)|Richard II]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]
* ''[[Romeo and Juliet]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]
* ''The [[Redwall]] series'' by [[Brian Jacques]]

== S ==
* ''[['Salem's Lot]]'' by [[Stephen King]]
* ''[[Salterton Trilogy|Salterton Trilogy]]'' by [[Robertson Davies]]
* ''[[Samson Agonistes]]'' by [[John Milton]]
* ''[[The Sandman|The Sandman]]'' by [[Neil Gaiman]]
* ''[[A Scanner Darkly]]'' by [[Philip K. Dick]]
* ''[[The Secret Garden]]'' by [[Frances Hodgson Burnett]]
* ''[[Scoop]]'' by [[Evelyn Waugh]]
* ''[[Sense and Sensibility]]'' by [[Jane Austen]]
* ''[[A Series of Unfortunate Events (series)|A Series of Unfortunate Events]] by [[Lemony Snicket]]
* ''[[Shōgun]]'' (1975) by [[James Clavell]]
* ''[[The Sickness Unto Death]]'' by [[Søren Kierkegaard]]
* ''[[Silent Spring]]'' by [[Rachel Carson]]
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' (1977) by [[J. R. R. Tolkien|J.R.R. Tolkien]]
* ''[[The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants|Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, The]]'' by [[Ann Brasheres]]
* ''[[Slaughterhouse-Five]]'' by [[Kurt Vonnegut]]
* ''[[Snow Crash]]'' by [[Neal Stephenson]]
* ''[[Something Happened]]'' by [[Joseph Heller]]
* ''[[Songbook]]'' by [[w:Nick Hornby|Nick Hornby]]
* ''[[The Sorrows of Young Werther]]'' by [[Johann Wolfgang von Goethe]]
* ''[[Sophie's World]]'' by [[Jostein Gaarder]]
* ''[[The Sparrow]]'' by [[Mary Doria Russell]]
* ''[[Speak, Memory]]'' by [[Vladimir Nabokov]]
* ''[[Stark]]'' by [[Ben Elton]]
* ''[[Starship Troopers]]'' (1959) by [[Robert A. Heinlein]]
* ''[[Stranger in a Strange Land]]'' (1961) by [[Robert A. Heinlein]]
* ''[[Strange Meeting (book)]]'' by [[Susan Hill]]
* ''[[Subtle Knife, The]]'' by [[Philip Pullman]]
* ''[[Success Through a Positive Mental Attitude]]'' (1960) by [[Napoleon Hill]] and [[W. Clement Stone]]
* ''[[Superman: The Man of Steel]]'' by various authors
* ''[[Survivor]]'' by [[Chuck Palahniuk]]

== T ==
* ''[[A Tale of Two Cities]]'' by [[Charles Dickens]]
* ''[[That Hideous Strength]]'' by [[C.S. Lewis]]
* ''[[The Cynic's Dictionary]]'' by [[Rick Bayan]]
* ''[[The Telling]]'' by [[Ursula K. le Guin]]
* ''[[The Tempest]]'' by [[William Shakespeare]]
* ''[[Tender is the Night]]'' by [[F. Scott Fitzgerald]]
* ''[[This Other Eden]]'' by Ben Elton
* ''[[The Three Musketeers]]'' by [[Alexandre Dumas]]
* ''[[Through the Looking-Glass]]'' by [[Lewis Carroll]]
* ''[[The Time Machine]]'' by [[H. G. Wells]]
* ''[[Thus Spake Zarathustra]]'' by [[Friedrich Nietzsche]]
* ''[[To Kill a Mockingbird (novel)|To Kill a Mockingbird]]'' by [[Harper Lee]]
* ''[[Tropic of Cancer]]'' by [[Henry Miller]]
* ''[[The Two Towers]]'' by [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]
* ''[[The World of Yesterday]]'' by [[Stefen Zweig]]
* ''[[The Third Man]]'' by [[Graham Greene]]

== U ==
* ''[[Ulysses]]'' by [[James Joyce]]
* ''[[The Kingdom of God Is Within You]]'' by [[Leo Tolstoy]]
* ''[[Uncle Sam]]'' by [[Steve Darnell and Alex Ross]]

== V ==
* ''[[Vernon God Little]]'' by [[DBC Pierre]]
* ''[[Vildanden]]'' by [[Henrik Ibsen]]

== W ==
* ''[[Waiting for Godot]] by [[Samuel Beckett]]
* ''[[Walden]] by [[Henry David Thoreau]]
* ''[[The Walking Drum]] by [[Louis L'amour]]
* ''[[War in Heaven]] by [[David Zindell]]
* ''[[Watchmen]]'' by [[Alan Moore]]
* ''[[The Wheel of Time]] by Robert Jordan
* ''[[Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?]]'' by [[Edward Albee]] and [[Ernest Lehman]]
* ''[[The Wild]] by [[David Zindell]]
* ''[[Winnie the Pooh]]'' by [[A. A. Milne]]
* ''[[The Winter of Our Discontent]] by [[John Steinbeck]]
* ''[[Works of Love]]'' by [[Søren Kierkegaard]]
* ''[[A Wrinkle in Time]] by Madeleine L'Engle

== X ==

== Y ==

== Z ==
*''[[Zorba the Greek]]'' by [[Nikos Kazantzakis]]

== See also ==
* [[Literature]]
* [[Opening lines]]

== External links ==
* [http://print.google.com/ Google Print]
* [http://www.loc.gov/ U.S. Library of Congress]
* [http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/ Open Directory Project: Arts> Literature]

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==Finding quotes==
Q: How do I find a specific quote? (For example, "How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.")
:A: The Search box (in the left margin of all Wikiquote pages, for most display styles) includes a "Go" button, to find an article, and a "Search" button, to find text within the article. Just enter the quote in the Search box and press the latter button. You will see a list of articles that contain the closest matches to your quote. Click on the articles and use your browser's find function to find the quote on the page. The example above yields several articles, the first of which is [[Elizabeth Barrett Browning]], and browser-searching the page itself shows this comes from Sonnet 43 of her ''Sonnets from the Portugese''.

:When the Wikimedia servers are heavily loaded, this search feature may be temporarily disabled. You can also find quotes in Wikiquote by using general search engines and including "wikiquote" in the text to search for. (Many non-Wikiquote sites may also appear because they use Wikiquote as their source. Of course, we recommend you go straight to the source.) For Google, you can add the text "site:wikiquote.org" instead to narrow the search to Wikiquote only.

==New entry==

Q: How do I add new articles to wikiquote — for example, quotations by people who do not already exist here?
:A: Comprehensive documentation exists at [[Help:Starting a new page]]. The easiest way is to use one of the buttons at the [[Help:Starting a new page#Using inputbox|inputbox section]] to be launched straight into the editing page with a ready boilerplate. If you choose one of the other ways listed there, see [[Wikiquote:Templates]] for common formatting standards here.

==Quotes found on the internet==

Q: Is it acceptable to add quotes which you had come across on the internet and are relatively unattributed?
:A: Yes, those should be added under [[Anonymous]], but it is suggested that you do a search of that quote to see if you can find who said it.

==Quotes by your neighbour==

Q: What about non-famous-quotes: my neighbour Rizwan says something profound; can I put it up here, crediting it to him?
:A: Unless your neighbour is notable, probably not. However, you are free to collect quotes of yourself, people you know and notable people on your user page, and organize them however you like.

==Vandalism==

Q: Is there a place within Wikiquote to call attention to vandalism - and what can be done against it?

:A: When vandalism is obvious ''anyone'' can simply revert the edits that have been made by calling up the history of the article, clicking to edit the last version ''before'' the vandalism occurred, and ''saving'' that. If you believe that blocking, or other protective measures should be taken, you can post on the [[WQ:VIP|Vandalism in progress]] page and/or notify an [[WQ:RFA#Current administrators|admin]] on their talk pages. More information on possible responses exist in the Wikipedia article "[[w:Wikipedia:Dealing with vandalism|Dealing with vandalism]]".

==Abbreviations and shortcuts==
Q: What do all those cryptic abbreviations, like VP and VFD, mean?
:A: Many Wikiquote maintenance and operation pages have long descriptive titles, like [[Wikiquote:Votes for deletion]], so people often abbreviate them. Many of these abbreviations have handy shortcuts that can be typed into the Search box to jump right to the page. A partial list of these shortcuts can be found at [[Wikiquote:Shortcuts]].

== Misattributions ==
Q: I came across a quote popularly misattributed to person X in his page. Should I remove it?
:A: No, please! Add that quote to a section "Misattributed", and add any and all information you have regarding the history of the misattribution. Otherwise, someone else coming across the attribution somewhere else will add it again. This way, the page becomes a resource for what quotations are wrong, as well as right. Of course, this is only when dealing with a ''popular'' misattribution.

=="Quote" vs. "quotation"==
Q: Should this site be called "Wikiquotation", because "quote" is a verb, and "quotation" is the noun form?
:A: Actually, "quote" is also a noun, per [[Wiktionary:quote|Wiktionary]], [http://www.m-w.com/ Merriam-Webster Online], [http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=65006&dict=CALD Cambridge Dictionaries Online], and many other dictionaries. Some consider it an informal form of "quotation", but still find it acceptable.

==Fortune cookies and single quotations==
Q: Can I use Wikiquote to produce random single quotations, like the Unix program "fortune"?

:A: Not directly. Wikiquote uses wiki articles for ''collections'' of quotes. There is no practical way at this time to mark each quote so that one can be "pulled" out for a fortune cookie-like saying. Programmers can, of course, use Wikiquote's data for such projects, so long as they acknowledge the source of the quotations per the [[w:GNU Free Documentation License|GNU Free Documentation License]].

== Copying Wikiquote material ==
Q: Can I use Wikiquote material for my own website, or for commercial purposes?

:A: Wikiquote, just like its sister project Wikipedia, operates under the [[w:GNU Free Documentation License|GNU Free Documentation License]] (GFDL), a "[[w:copyleft|copyleft]]" system that allows any use of its material — free or commercial — as long as the same freedom-to-copy is maintained and credit is given for the original work (which is usually done by providing a link back to the relevant Wikiquote article). See [[w:Wikipedia:Copyrights]] for the formal policy, which also applies to Wikiquote. Wikipedia also has the [[w:Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License|full text of the GFDL]].

== Password retrieving ==
Q: I forgot my password. Can I get it back?

:A: If you entered and confirmed an email address when you created your account, you can have a new password sent to you using the "Email password" button on the login page.

:Otherwise, you can create a different username with a new password.

:Wikiquote does not honor requests made via email to change, clear, or reveal passwords.

== Where to ask questions ==
Q: My question is not answered here. Where can I ask?

:A: If you have a question about the workings of wikiquote, try our [[Wikiquote:Village pump|Village pump]]. If you have a general questions about a quote, try our [[Wikiquote:Reference desk|Reference desk]].

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== quote containing stupidity and ignorance ==

I seem to recall a quote to the effect that
"you can reason with ignorance, but not argue with stupidity"
what is exact quote and author?
--[[User:201.8.57.31|201.8.57.31]] 12:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

== Paraphrase: "Forgiveness is sincerely letting go of the wish that the past were different." ==

I've probably butchered this -- I'm not even sure that the first word is "forgiveness". It may be "healing" or something along those lines. I'm sure about "wish" and the last part might be something about "change/changing the past." At the time I heard it, attributed to someone widely recognized and from the last century or so, it seemed terribly powerful, but unfortunately I didn't record it. I'd very much appreciate the actual wording and attribution, if this rings any bells for anyone. Sorry this is so vague, but searches here and by search engine of many variants have produced nothing even close. Thanks!
--anon

== Russell Baker Article ==

Please can you help me find an article written by Russell Baker dealing with ther futility of our daily routines?

He wrote an article many, many years ago, about working man who lives in a box, rides to work in a box, and gets into a box to reach his office. Additonally, he wrote about when we are home we are "leaf farmers" among other things.

Thank you.

----[[User:Faith St. Claire|Faith St. Claire]] 18:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

: I am familiar with [[Russell Baker]] the journalist, but not Russell Baker the speculative fiction author (despite my life-long SF enthusiasm). I am wondering if they are the same person or two different people, which significantly impacts any attempt to research this question. [[w:Russell Baker]] includes no hint either of the journalist's fiction or of the need for a separate article on a different person. Anyone have any ideas about this? ~ [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]] [[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 20:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

== Who said"marvelous darling, simply marvelous"? ==

Who said " marvelous darling, simply marvelous"? {{unsigned2|20:56, 29 December 2006|69.92.168.60}}

I haven't read Gone with the Wind but I believe Clark Gable utters that somewhere in the film version.

:Billy Crystal on SNL? [[User:74.67.42.162|74.67.42.162]] 15:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

== Mystery Quote ==

Hey, can anyone help me. I know there is a quote that is something like "Younger siblings try to change the world, the elder siblings run it." or maybe "Younger children try to change the world, the elder children run it." but can't find anything like it... Does anyone know the actual quote, and who said it?

Many thanks,

--[[User:86.137.233.160|86.137.233.160]] 22:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

== Be Present ==

Who is attributed with stating the proverb "Be Present?"

== ...merely abandoned ==

'''Who said "a work of art is never completed, merely abandoned"?'''

I've seeen attributions for everyone from Jean Cocteau to G.B. Shaw to Somerset Maugham to Robert Benchley -- the lattermost being a longtime favorite of mine; but while he may have observed it, I know he never would have bothered to comment on it.

''"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had''
''no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up''
''because by that time I was too famous."''
'' - Robert Benchley''
:Similar statements are ascribed to all sorts of people including Goethe, Flaubert and Da Vinci. But is most often given to [[Paul Valery]] although he seems to expressed the same idea at different times and never at all pithily. Here is a quote from ''Reading Paul Valery: Universe in Mind''
::''How can he recognise that his work is finished?
::That's a decision he has to take…In fact, the completion of a work is only ever an abandonment, a halt that can always be regarded as ''fortuitous'' in an evolution that might have been continued. [[User:MeltBanana|MeltBanana]] 15:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

== missing link ==

i have a question about a link. I copied the following link a few days ago, and now its disappeared. I'd like to know if its going to be accessable again, because there were lot of beatiful quotes, and it would be so hard to find them another way. Thank you for your answer! Sincerely Sandor
the link was: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/LOVE_QUOTES

== "We have two ears and one mouth, so that we can listen twice as much as we speak" ==

I think i've heard this quote attributed to Epictetus but i am looking to find which of his works the quote comes from.......any ideas???? thanks
: Nature hath given men one tongue but two ears, that we may hear from others twice as much as we speak.—Epictetus, in The Golden Sayings of Epictetus, trans. by Hastings Crossley. Vol. II, Part 2. The Harvard Classics. New York: P.F. Collier & Son, 1909–14; Bartleby.com, 2001. http://www.bartleby.com/2/2/. 17:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place ==

I know its George Bernard Shaw, but does anyone know which of his plays/ discourses its from ??? Thanks

:Are you sure it is G. B. Shaw? I could not find anything similar in his works or a source cited anywhere. The earliest use of the quote I found was from 1951. Shaw is famous for having anything slightly cynical, without a definite source, ascribed to him. [[User:MeltBanana|MeltBanana]] 15:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

== Original quotes of Edward T. Hall's Silent Language based on the french ones I have ==

Hello,

I have some french quotes from [[w:Edward T. Hall|Edward T. Hall]]'s Silent Language (translated in french as ''Le Langage silencieux''), I've posted them on [[:fr:Edward T. Hall|the french wikiquote page]] and I'd like to find the original quotes. I also need the pages, chapter title translations, book ISBN, editor, collection (as much book informations as possible). If you own this book please leave a message whether you speak french or not.

Thanks,

[[User:MyXiLo|MyXiLo]] 08:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
:I don't have the book; but by using Google Book Search in combination with regular Google I've been able to find the first two quotes and a sentence each from the third and fourth. Google Book Search only shows the book in [http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00255430&id=tZMPAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Silent+Language%22&dq=%22Silent+Language%22&pgis=1 "snippet" form], so that the quotes can only be "teased" out piecemeal. By feeding the results back into Google Book Search and regular Google, however, here are the results:1) French: "Le temps parle. Il parle plus simplement que les mots. Le message qu'il porte se transmet à haute voix et clairement. Parce qu'il est utilisé moins consciemment, il ne risque pas d'être dénaturé comme l'est le langage parlé. Il peut clamer la vérité quand les mots mentent."Original: "Time talks. It speaks more plainly than words. The message it conveys comes through loud and clear. Because it is manipulated less consciously, it is subject to less distortion than the spoken language. It can shout the truth where words lie. [http://www.uefap.com/reading/exercise/scan/time.htm]2) French: "La meilleure raison de se soumettre à des cultures étrangères, c'est qu'elles engendrent un sens aigu de la vitalité et de l'attention consciente – un attachement à la vie qui ne peut se manifester qu'au contact de la différence et du contraste."Original: "The best reason for exposing oneself to foreign ways is to generate a sense of vitality and awareness - an interest in life which can come only when one lives through the shock of contrast and difference." [http://www.spiritualityandpractice.com/films/films.php?id=6832]3) French: "Le fait que chez l'animal, le comportement soit conditionné par le sexe, a conduit à des erreurs quant à la place du sexe chez l'homme. Il est faux de penser que le comportement de l'homme est lié à la physiologie."The first sentence from the original is: "The fact that behavior in animals is predominantly sex-linked has led to certain misconceptions concerning the role of sex in man." [http://books.google.com/books?id=tZMPAAAAMAAJ&vid=OCLC00255430&dq=%22Silent+Language%22&q=linked+physiology&pgis=1#search]4) French: "[La plupart des gens] ont du mal à croire qu'un comportement qu'ils ont toujours associé à la « nature humaine » ne soit absolument pas naturel, mais acquis et faisant partie d'une catégorie particulièrement complexe. L'une des raisons possibles de cette réticence est qu'il jette un doute sur nos croyances les mieux enracinées."The last sentence in the original is: "Possibly one of the many reasons why the culture concept has been resisted is that it throws doubt on many established beliefs." [http://books.google.com/books?id=tZMPAAAAMAAJ&vid=OCLC00255430&dq=%22Silent+Language%22&q=beliefs&pgis=1#search][http://books.google.com/books?q=%22culture+concept+has+been+resisted%22&btnG=Search+Books]That's as much as Google would yield for these quotes. Amazon.com has the book but does not allow a search of the contents. - [[User:InvisibleSun|InvisibleSun]] 10:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
::As a supplement to InvisibleSun's answers:3) The second sentence in the original is, "It is a great mistake to assume that the behavior which is observed in man is linked to physiology." [http://www.google.co.uk/books?q=man+physiology++inauthor%3AHall+intitle%3Asilent+intitle%3Alanguage&btnG=Search+Books&as_brr=0]4) The first sentence in the original is, "[...almost everyone] has difficulty believing that behavior they have always associated with 'human nature' is not human nature at all but learned behavior of a particularly complex variety." [http://www.google.co.uk/books?q=%22almost+everyone+has%22+intitle%3Asilent+intitle%3Alanguage+inauthor%3Ahall&btnG=Search+Books&as_brr=0][http://www.google.co.uk/books?q=%22particularly+complex%22+intitle%3Asilent+intitle%3Alanguage&btnG=Search+Books&as_brr=0]As you'll see from Google Book the publisher (''éditeur'') of ''Silent Language'' is Doubleday. The book has no editor (''rédacteur''). [[User:Antiquary|Antiquary]] 19:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

== Question on attribution: Did Erich Fromm really say this? ==

I've seen this quote attributed to Erich Fromm, but it doesn't sound like him. Can anyone source this quote, or identify it as a misattribution? Here is the statement:
"Let your mind start a journey through a strange new world. Leave all thoughts of the world you knew before. Let your soul take you where you long to be . . . Close your eyes, let your spirit start to soar,
and you’ll live as you’ve never lived before." --[[User:71.246.187.217|71.246.187.217]] 02:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:You can find those lines, slightly re-arranged, in the show ''[[The Phantom of the Opera]]''. They're from the song "The Music of the Night", music by [[w:Andrew Lloyd Webber|Andrew Lloyd Webber]], words by [[w:Charles Hart (lyricist)|Charles Hart]] and/or [[w:Richard Stilgoe|Richard Stilgoe]]. [http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Post/891557] Goodness knows why anyone thought they were by [[Erich Fromm]]. [[User:Antiquary|Antiquary]] 19:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== "Amateurs work until they get it right. Professionals work until they can't get it wrong." ==

I'm trying to find the origin of this quote: "Amateurs work until they get it right. Professionals work until they can't get it wrong."

Thanks for any help you can give me.
--[[User:PhotoBizLady|PhotoBizLady]] 11:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Painting ==

i have a painting that is sign by picasso it is a painting of a little girl at a table i found one that looks like it 1901 i would like to know if it would be worth looking at

== Can anybody help with these ambiguous sources? ==
I want to add them to the site, but I don't know where. These quotes appear on many sites, but without any information.

=== Norman Brenner ===
{{quickquote|The intermediate stage between socialism and capitalism is alcoholism.|- Norman Brenner}}
But who is he? The only known person with this name, that I managed to find, was a regular extra in Seinfeld. Is this him? But why would anyone quote this pretty unknown extra?

=== Pentagon official ===
{{quickquote|If we let people see that kind of thing, there would never again be any war.|- Pentagon official explaining why the U.S. military censored graphic footage from the Gulf War}}
Can anyone confirm this and give an accurate source?

== Can anybody give sources for these quotes? ==
Once I have sources, I'd put the following quotes in the appropriate places in this site.

=== Fear leads to hate ===
{{quickquote|You fear what you don't understand, and you hate...what you fear.|- Unknown}}

=== 3 Wolves, 1 sheep, and Democracy ===
{{quickquote|Democracy(n): 3 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.|- Unknown}}

=== Peace and War, Screwing and Virginity ===
{{quickquote|Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.|- Unknown}}

=== A Smoking Section vs. A Peeing Section ===
{{quickquote|Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a pool.|- Unknown}}

=== Sex and Hacking ===
{{quickquote|Sex is like hacking. You get in, you get out, and you hope you didn't leave something behind that can be traced back to you.|- Unknown}}

=== Sex and Cards ===
{{quickquote|Sex is like a game of cards. If you don't have a good partner, you better have a good hand.|- Unknown}}

=== The Lion And The Flies ===
{{quickquote|Even the lion has to defend himself against flies.|- Unknown}}

=== Windows Bit(e)s ===
{{quickquote|Windows 9x(n): A 32 bit upgrade to 16 bit extensions for an 8 bit operating system designed to run on a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that doesn't like 1 bit of competition.|- Unknown}}

=== The Power of Love ===
{{quickquote|To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world.|- Unknown}}

== who said this quote ==

i have searched but cant find the lady who made this quote i heard.who know who said 'its just so different when it comes from your own '